I had the exact same engine and year built Defender. 2020 D240 SE, and I reached 209.000 km before a total engine crash made the insurance to condemn the car. The last failure was a shield inside the engine that broke into 5 pieces. I was following the service program to the point at the local JLR-dealer. For me, the car is the most important thing working as a photographer and filmmaker all over the world, and the Defender is used on long-distance travels. And apart from all the engine problems I experienced, it is such an amazing car. And the fuel economy was great. My next car will also be the Defender, but with the 3 liter, 6 cylinder diesel.
I have owned a 2023 Defender 90 for 15 months now with the 2.0 gas engine and have had no issues. I was a Jeep owner for 25 years, had 7 different models and I don't think I could go back now, I just love the Defender. I wish I could've gotten the 3.0 gas engine and the air suspension but they were out of my budget and I probably don't need them they just would've nice to have.
I’m a bit mad and bought myself a three year old full fat Range Rover 300D Signature. 51,000 miles with running boards and electric deployable hitch. Fully serviced, new tyres, 3 year LR extended warranty and in immaculate condition. £48k inc £2k for the extra two years warranty. I think that is good value and quite a few thousand cheaper than a new Kia Sorento or Honda CRV full spec. Also, relative to the featured Defender, I think that my Range Rover is fair value. Granted the model has been superseded by a new one with rear wheel steering but a new Signature spec is now £130,000
All cars have problems. My last 3 breakdowns were all in German cars. Meanwhile, my Freelander 2 soldiers on - Now at 138,000 miles. I'm struggling to find a worthy replacement but am looking seriously at the 110 Defender. Great video - thanks.
Not had a Defender but had an XF with the D180 Ingenium. Nice motor to drive but vital to keep in the dealer network. I wouldn’t touch one from a non JLR dealer. Think they sorted most of the problems from 2019 on. Probably won’t ever lose the “don’t buy Ingenium” tag. Pity really
What is considered to be high mileage may be relative to its age. Most engines today will easily reach 150,000 miles or even 250,000 if driven intensively. I’m not claiming that the Ingenium motor is capable of it though. Unfortunately.
From what I've heard the D240 is actually alright because it was significantly beefed up in comparison to the lower powered variants. Would also be interesting to see what a later car looks like quality wise
The wife had a 2 litre diesel Disco Sport with 40k on it. Nice car, but a good friend who worked at Stratstone in Nottingham told me to get rid ASAP as the timing chain was going. That's a MASSIVE job that no one would touch, except at JLR dealers! I was quoted over £3k to sort. Amyway, I managed to swap it early this year (at a JLR dealer) for a 3.0 V6 F Pace as shes always wanted one of those. As an aside, we've just come back from holiday and I met a chap who worked for JLR. He told me that yes the diesel had loads of issues early on, but a lot had been resolved by later on. However, he would still always go for the petrol version. He said that was a great engine. As with most things I suspect the key is regular servicing.... Great video and Merry Christmas..🎅🎄
Its not just the engine its the sensors, AD blue , EGR and dpf that cause most of the issues thats why I will never buy another diesel , well done to the governments for making manufactures add all that crap on
Nice car, except for the finish. If you clean that seat again, maybe spray it with a couple of coats of water repellent spray, the stuff you also use for coats and shoes. Maybe it helps.
My mate used FABSIL on his - gave it a wet vac, waited for it to dry, then sprayed on the magic and it worked fine. Waterproofed it really well, and no future staining
Those seat stains are very similar to what happens in my Honda Accord Sport. It was explained to me that it is caused by the flame retardant treatment.
Thats why I wouldnt buy a car with light coloured cloth seats , its either full leather or black seats , had a golf with light grey cloth that did the same but all over the seats esp if it had been raining and sit down with a wet coat
Land Rover stopped being interesting the second you could no longer get a manual transmission… and DEFINITELY when they stopped being made by a series of hungover dudes in Sollihul. But seriously, they went from “tool” to “lifestyle accessory”. I WOULD LOVE to rag the everloving shit out of a new defender though, treat it like my red headed autistic stepchild.
@@Ankeneering I believe that the featured seats are literally made of recycled rubbish. Nothing beats quality leather seats even if the ‘leather’ is only on the wearing surfaces and the rest is vinyl like fitted to my 200,000 mile Land Cruiser 100 series. Its driver’s seat is almost like new and wipes down clean easily with a damp cloth.
I'm sure it's a great driving and comfortable ride, but here in the states I can't think of another brand that is considered to be more unreliable or expensive to own.
I've seen a number of 4x4 comparisons with the Defender and it clearly has issues. One comparison I saw they had to leave the vehicle as it blew out 2 tires so was stranded until tires could be sourced. Another it struggled to get up the breakover test from an incline. It's mileage was not great compared to the same engine in the Range Rover sport.
Good to see JLR are keeping up their reputation for poor quality interior fittings. My 2011 BMW X1 2.0 with 160k drives as new as is the interior. Just kept services etc and the interior clean. Great viedo and I do like the look of the LD defenders.
Thats because yours is from 2011 thats when car manufacturers didnt use poor fittings and materials now most have poor material choice or cheaply made to make more profit
As a passenger and with air suspension do you get travel sickness,the reason I’m asking is,my wife sometimes gets in depending on what car we’re in,my daughter has a Range Rover and my wife said it felt like being on a boat,mind you,she was sitting in the back
The air suspension is adjustable depending on the driving mode. ‘Comfort’ setting is rather floaty. Dynamic is rather firm. Auto is great but can occasionally be floaty on some surfaces.
The ingenium family has serious issues with Oil pressure control. The most common issues are the timing chain tensioner not receiving enough pressure and allowing the timing chain to run slack causing rattling and eventually possible slipping. The balance shafts in the bottom of the engine run on small needle roller bearings that require high pressure lubrication, once again this is inconsistant and these bearings wear causaing a deep rumbling noise as they fail. The turbocharger requires high pressure oil and once again the ingenium is inconsistant and this leads to turbo failure. The Injectors can fail in an open state overfuelling that cylinder and the excess heat melts and warps the piston. As people have mentioned all of this is supposed to have been solved in various 2019 updates but the local JLR dealer in my area is still replacing both 4 cylinder and 6 cylinder Ingenium engines at 20-30-40k with scary regularity. If this was a budget brand it would be bad enough but when you are paying premium prices how does JLR get away with this stuff and why do people still buy their products?
These are way too expensive in Norway to make any sense, but a very nice car anyway. Btw, what's up with the street parking in th UK? It's out of control! It's a real pain driving in your towns, with already narow streets, and then there's street parking...
I understand that a number of important parts in the Ingenium engine are made from plastic??? Plastic doesn’t like Extreme heat and fossil fuels….. could this be a potential problem??? Yuletide felicitations 🎄 Regards Ian 👨🎤🇳🇿🎄🎄🍸🍸
The biggest disappointment for me is the the national trust badge nobody should be supporting that company as for build quality I'm surprised it's not worse
I had the exact same engine and year built Defender. 2020 D240 SE, and I reached 209.000 km before a total engine crash made the insurance to condemn the car. The last failure was a shield inside the engine that broke into 5 pieces. I was following the service program to the point at the local JLR-dealer. For me, the car is the most important thing working as a photographer and filmmaker all over the world, and the Defender is used on long-distance travels. And apart from all the engine problems I experienced, it is such an amazing car. And the fuel economy was great. My next car will also be the Defender, but with the 3 liter, 6 cylinder diesel.
I have owned a 2023 Defender 90 for 15 months now with the 2.0 gas engine and have had no issues. I was a Jeep owner for 25 years, had 7 different models and I don't think I could go back now, I just love the Defender. I wish I could've gotten the 3.0 gas engine and the air suspension but they were out of my budget and I probably don't need them they just would've nice to have.
I’m a bit mad and bought myself a three year old full fat Range Rover 300D Signature. 51,000 miles with running boards and electric deployable hitch. Fully serviced, new tyres, 3 year LR extended warranty and in immaculate condition. £48k inc £2k for the extra two years warranty. I think that is good value and quite a few thousand cheaper than a new Kia Sorento or Honda CRV full spec. Also, relative to the featured Defender, I think that my Range Rover is fair value. Granted the model has been superseded by a new one with rear wheel steering but a new Signature spec is now £130,000
All cars have problems. My last 3 breakdowns were all in German cars. Meanwhile, my Freelander 2 soldiers on - Now at 138,000 miles. I'm struggling to find a worthy replacement but am looking seriously at the 110 Defender. Great video - thanks.
They seem very popular now those freelander 2 I can see the prices going up due to reliability , wish RR stuck with that engine
Yeah love the camera's on the defender really great idea with it being quite long.
Not had a Defender but had an XF with the D180 Ingenium. Nice motor to drive but vital to keep in the dealer network. I wouldn’t touch one from a non JLR dealer. Think they sorted most of the problems from 2019 on. Probably won’t ever lose the “don’t buy Ingenium” tag.
Pity really
What's always worrying is that these days 80k is considered high mileage. My old Saab was on 80k and everyone said it's not even worn in ...
What is considered to be high mileage may be relative to its age. Most engines today will easily reach 150,000 miles or even 250,000 if driven intensively. I’m not claiming that the Ingenium motor is capable of it though. Unfortunately.
From what I've heard the D240 is actually alright because it was significantly beefed up in comparison to the lower powered variants. Would also be interesting to see what a later car looks like quality wise
The wife had a 2 litre diesel Disco Sport with 40k on it. Nice car, but a good friend who worked at Stratstone in Nottingham told me to get rid ASAP as the timing chain was going. That's a MASSIVE job that no one would touch, except at JLR dealers! I was quoted over £3k to sort.
Amyway, I managed to swap it early this year (at a JLR dealer) for a 3.0 V6 F Pace as shes always wanted one of those.
As an aside, we've just come back from holiday and I met a chap who worked for JLR. He told me that yes the diesel had loads of issues early on, but a lot had been resolved by later on. However, he would still always go for the petrol version. He said that was a great engine.
As with most things I suspect the key is regular servicing....
Great video and Merry Christmas..🎅🎄
Its not just the engine its the sensors, AD blue , EGR and dpf that cause most of the issues thats why I will never buy another diesel , well done to the governments for making manufactures add all that crap on
@josephgittos3787 the problem with modern cars. Waaaaaayy too complicated...
Nice car, except for the finish.
If you clean that seat again, maybe spray it with a couple of coats of water repellent spray, the stuff you also use for coats and shoes. Maybe it helps.
My mate used FABSIL on his - gave it a wet vac, waited for it to dry, then sprayed on the magic and it worked fine. Waterproofed it really well, and no future staining
Have you pulled an oil sample and sent for testing?
Those seat stains are very similar to what happens in my Honda Accord Sport. It was explained to me that it is caused by the flame retardant treatment.
Thats why I wouldnt buy a car with light coloured cloth seats , its either full leather or black seats , had a golf with light grey cloth that did the same but all over the seats esp if it had been raining and sit down with a wet coat
Why are most of the vehicles across the pond still diesel??? I thought your government decided that diesel isn't the fuel saver or least polluters???
Large SUVs are still largely diesel but that's about it for new cars. Even for large SUVs hybrid petrol are becoming more popular.
Mileage…. Diesels go further and last longer generally and historically.
Land Rover stopped being interesting the second you could no longer get a manual transmission… and DEFINITELY when they stopped being made by a series of hungover dudes in Sollihul. But seriously, they went from “tool” to “lifestyle accessory”. I WOULD LOVE to rag the everloving shit out of a new defender though, treat it like my red headed autistic stepchild.
@@Ankeneering I believe that the featured seats are literally made of recycled rubbish. Nothing beats quality leather seats even if the ‘leather’ is only on the wearing surfaces and the rest is vinyl like fitted to my 200,000 mile Land Cruiser 100 series. Its driver’s seat is almost like new and wipes down clean easily with a damp cloth.
Luckily most are petrol / Hybrids now unless its a larger engine , its not the diesels its all the environmental add ons that have ruined diesels
I'm sure it's a great driving and comfortable ride, but here in the states I can't think of another brand that is considered to be more unreliable or expensive to own.
Massage seats trivia, standard on a 2017 onwards Audi B9 S4/S5 RS4/5
I've seen a number of 4x4 comparisons with the Defender and it clearly has issues. One comparison I saw they had to leave the vehicle as it blew out 2 tires so was stranded until tires could be sourced. Another it struggled to get up the breakover test from an incline. It's mileage was not great compared to the same engine in the Range Rover sport.
Lovin’ the hat Llew 😂
Cheers! Not bad eh ! :-)
Good to see JLR are keeping up their reputation for poor quality interior fittings. My 2011 BMW X1 2.0 with 160k drives as new as is the interior. Just kept services etc and the interior clean. Great viedo and I do like the look of the LD defenders.
Isn't that the engine with the timing belt / chain problem? My friend had one and the engine had to come out to repair it. Good luck!
Thats because yours is from 2011 thats when car manufacturers didnt use poor fittings and materials now most have poor material choice or cheaply made to make more profit
As a passenger and with air suspension do you get travel sickness,the reason I’m asking is,my wife sometimes gets in depending on what car we’re in,my daughter has a Range Rover and my wife said it felt like being on a boat,mind you,she was sitting in the back
The air suspension is adjustable depending on the driving mode. ‘Comfort’ setting is rather floaty. Dynamic is rather firm. Auto is great but can occasionally be floaty on some surfaces.
The ingenium family has serious issues with Oil pressure control. The most common issues are the timing chain tensioner not receiving enough pressure and allowing the timing chain to run slack causing rattling and eventually possible slipping. The balance shafts in the bottom of the engine run on small needle roller bearings that require high pressure lubrication, once again this is inconsistant and these bearings wear causaing a deep rumbling noise as they fail. The turbocharger requires high pressure oil and once again the ingenium is inconsistant and this leads to turbo failure. The Injectors can fail in an open state overfuelling that cylinder and the excess heat melts and warps the piston. As people have mentioned all of this is supposed to have been solved in various 2019 updates but the local JLR dealer in my area is still replacing both 4 cylinder and 6 cylinder Ingenium engines at 20-30-40k with scary regularity. If this was a budget brand it would be bad enough but when you are paying premium prices how does JLR get away with this stuff and why do people still buy their products?
The ingenium engine, designed and built buy JLR, enough said I think.
Nice looking car with it own style.
These new Defenders are nice but I can't help but feel JLR missed a trick in not making this a Discovery. Have you tried an Ineos Grendadier?
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These are way too expensive in Norway to make any sense, but a very nice car anyway. Btw, what's up with the street parking in th UK? It's out of control! It's a real pain driving in your towns, with already narow streets, and then there's street parking...
I understand that a number of important parts in the Ingenium engine are made from plastic???
Plastic doesn’t like Extreme heat and fossil fuels….. could this be a potential problem???
Yuletide felicitations 🎄
Regards Ian 👨🎤🇳🇿🎄🎄🍸🍸
Yeah esp the Body Throttle why make this out of plastic all it does is warp and cause issues
The biggest disappointment for me is the the national trust badge nobody should be supporting that company as for build quality I'm surprised it's not worse
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It is painful to watch the quality issues, but on the other hand - it's a Land rover. ;)
80000 miles? You call that high? What a joke. Talk after 500000 km like land cruisers just run in. Modern land rovers and range rovers are sheit.
The cheap nastyness of that car is crazy. Great design and road presence but dog poo build quality.