The Best Old School Reverb Trick?
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- Опубліковано 1 лис 2020
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Today, we are going to be taking one stereo reverb and using it across every instrument in our track! We are going to be using a track that was recorded at Sunset Sound, and is completely live. Everything on this track was done in one take!
The reverb technique we are using today is one that was used quite a lot back in the days before all the plugins and digital tricks we have now. Back in the day, you would only have 2 or 3 reverbs on your console, and maybe 1 or 2 delays, and then you would mix a record with just that.
Today we are going to be recreating that reverb technique!
We are so used to have 20 instances of reverbs, or more, and all kinds of different delays and things going on. Sometimes it is nice to just find something you like the sound of, and restrict yourself, and then experiment a little bit.
On this track, we are only going to be using the Sunset Sound Studio Reverb plugin, and will be using that on all the instruments on this song. We will take this reverb, remove the pre-delay, so it is down to nothing, and then we are going to send from different instruments, and use different amounts of pre-delay each time. This will make feel like they are in the same room, but all in different positions in the room, giving them a bit of space, without making it feel like there is just a wall of reverb coming towards you.
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What are your favorite reverb tricks?
I create a gated snare plate without using a gate: I take a plate, make it short and timed to the tempo and compress the devil out of it. :D
The Abbey Rd trick is always a good one to allow you to use more reverb and not let it get in the way. Also, occasionally I like to time the pre-delay on things like the snare to create a rhythmic effect. Sometimes I like to have a completely dry vocal and the reverb in parallel too. Mostly, I just don't know what I'm doing and hope for the best.
Great stuff,makes me miss using a couple of 2 track Studers with vari speed from 15 to 30 ips as pre-delay,usually some AMS delays,always needed another channel,into a colossal EMT plate,miss that motor creaking away like a tardis,...man I loved that sound,the pre delay was always the key for multi channel use,
as much as authentic that colossal arrangement was,plug ins aint half nailing it.
I like putting DearVR inserts on my mono tracks to put them in a 'real space' before I send them to reverb (lately it's usually R4 or iRCam). Might be interesting to try this trick on my stereo tracks though..?
@Kevin i read CLA never Puts reverb on direct mics in Drums, only on the room and maybe overheads. I think this along those lines.
Just for the record, I've clearly watched too many PLAP videos as I've found myself saying "I hope you're doing marvellously well" to people entirely unintentionally.
whoa
Ha! Me too!
Yep, me too...
You're not alone. Just say'n.
Except on fridays when I say "Do you know where your bass player is?"
You can also low pass the predelays with different amounts, so that the instruments that are further away, sound further away in the reverb :)
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That "all in the same room" sound really completes the live recording and demonstrates that simplicity is sometimes the best creative choice.
Thanks ever so much! Yes, amazing players does really help!
I love this - my reverb was either too complicated and confused or it didn't add any depth. Now my singer sits at the front with the instruments behind them. To make my life easier, I create 3 bus "layers": front, middle and back, and route all the instruments into the them parallel wherever I want to put them on the "stage". Each of these buses goes into my reverb channel.
I see. So instead of creating one delay channel strip for every instrument like Warren does (where you determine how delayed you want that instrument to feed into the reverb bus), you create three busses with a different amount of delay each and send every instrument to those depending on where you want them to sit on the stage. And those three busses will turn feed into the reverb bus. Sounds good!
You put the Sunset plugin on a track recorded at Sunset, the glorious meta!!!
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Haha Exactly! Thanks ever so much
@@lishonlouw1332 Thanks ever so much
It's Sunset inception...
I used to just put one mild reverb on the master bus to glue it together, but this will give me so much more control. Your videos are proof that you don't need a bunch of special gear, hour long tricks, etc. There are simple, beautiful sounding techniques you can use. So thank you. Please do more of these digitized versions of simple classic tricks. Please please please.
Thanks ever so much Chris! Yes, far more control this
This is one of those things I will look back on as a real landmark for my mixing skills. I can see that often I end up indiscriminately painting a mess with reverb.
What a great lesson to illustrate many things.
Thanks ever so much!!
Rock on Nathan, and thanks for the welcome 32c Channel Strip tips!
I have never heard what that reverb plugin actually sounds like until now, and boy is it gorgeous!
Yes it certainly is!!
@Gerhard Schöner haha thanks ever so much!
@Gerhard Schöner I felt the same way about the spring setting. I actively thought, "that's the best-sounding spring reverb I've ever heard." Couldn't believe it.
I am totally impressed! This is exactly what this song needed. This is one of the best reverb lesson I have yet seen on UA-cam. Going from reverb bypass to on is such an eye opener (... or ear opener), it glues the mix so well and makes it cohesive. Really well done Warren!
Thanks ever so much Jacques! You Rock!!
@@Producelikeapro hello Warren I want to understand the pre delay better. In Logic I would place the delay on the track as an insert or send? And using the reverb as a send or busing that track to the verb?
@@ST-fl5fy place it on the duplicated track and send that to the reverb is what i got from it.
Extraordinary. Fascinating how good this sounds without all the usual fannying about.
Great tip. I think what’s confusing some people is WHERE exactly the delays for each individual track are inserted. As far as I got my head around it (without trying in my DAW), you do it like that:
1. Create a parallel channel for each track (or group) you want the reverb on.
2. Insert the delay on those parallel channels at a 100% wet, no feedback. Set the (pre-)delay time.
3. Turn the parallel channel’s volume fader down.
4. Send the parallel channel’s delayed signal pre-fader(!) to your reverb buss like you would normally do.
Correct me if I’m wrong!
That must be it.
It’s straight forward and it absolutely will create what is shown here.
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Very helpful thank you!
This song sounds really nice to my ears. Doesn't matter if the reverb is on or off :)
Thanks ever so much!
Yep, the vocal is on point. 👍
It’s so good I kinda like it dry and intimate. Great stuff Warren.
@@buddyalbert5808 Thanks ever so much!
beautiful drum sound and playing. sounds great!
You know it's the best when it's still great despite being old school! Cheers for the work!
Such a simple but powerful trick. Thank you, Warren!
I really love learning new techniques from you Warren they all are super great and help my mixes sound much better! Thank you so much for all of your wonderful tricks and tips you share with us!
I love this sound of the reverb you create, you really did a good job!
Thanks ever so much!!
Warren uses reverb marvelously well :)
Wow, I just started doing this last year, figured it out myself... To hear from a pro like you that it's "how it's done" is a great feeling! Love your videos!
You never fail to make my day (and hopefully production life easier) with these pearls of wisdom. Thanks for your generosity Warren
Thanks ever so much
What a cool technique for utilizing a shared reverb - sending different groups or instruments with different amounts of predelay! absolutely amazing thank you Warren!
Listening to you play around with the drum predelay settings, and I’d just like to point out: Sound travels through air at about 1 foot per millisecond, so if you want your drums to feel 10 feet behind the vocal, 10 milliseconds should get you there!
Also, the more predelay, it might be beneficial to add more of the wet signal into a mix.
Of course, that’s if you want a strictly “realistic” sound
It varies, but, generally, sound travels at about 1127 ft. per second. So, it takes 1/1127 seconds to travel one foot. you are right
I love tips like this because it's so practical and I get caught up in having too many reverb options that can make mixing a song so much harder. Thanks Warren.
Thanks ever so much Mark!!
I really love how this video creates space out of "nothing" in the sense that the tracks are dry, and end up with life in them. Thank you!
I love this trick. It works so well to put closed miked sources and dry virtual instruments in a virtual room and make them sound cohesive. Thank you for sharing, Warren.
Thanks, Warren; a brilliant, simple technique that really suits this lovely track.
LOVE this tip, thanks loads! Eye-opening.
Wow never even crossed my mind using pre delay to send the track to the back of the reverb mix! Genius!! Thanks Warren 🔥😛
That sounds freaking amazing!
Thanks for that!
Thanks ever so much
Thank you so much Warren! Fantastic!
I love this. I like to limit myself to a few effects, partly because I'm learning, but also because I've been working remotely with my band over lockdown, so I want to make us sound more like we're all in the same room. This is gold! Thank you so much
I really LOVE this Technique.....Many THANKS!!!!!!!
Wow...this sounds amazing!
I love this vocal performance!
Wonderfully simple trick and I love how lush that particular verb sounds
This is exactly how I like to apply Reverb to a track and I love that you said it's an old school way coz I love the old school. Great video thank you very much for 👍🏼
This was an ideal track for this technique, I think, being so open and not filled with harmonic content. And brilliantly recorded, I must say. Thanks!
So helpful for someone like me who can only do overdubs! Helps me get one step closer to a live sound
Another amazing and usefull tutorial. Thanks Warren! Great stuff. It shall be used to great extent 🤘
i had done this many times only not with the predelay....just love this cant wait to try it
Can't thank u enough sir for all the help you r providing to all the budding producers. It feels more like interning at a studio rather than watching UA-cam vids. U and Michael from "in the mix" r one of the finest in the game.
Much love n respect ✊
Couldn't agree more @Farhan Khan! Warren always makes me feel like I'm in the studio with him (only I can rewind him at will!) Great "tone" to his vids. 😁
That reverb plugin is stunning!
I love this trick. To my ears, it sounds a lot more natural too, which I think is something that is often taken for granted. Great presentation as always, Warren. Thanks brother.
Just as I was searching UA-cam for tips about creating a depth in my mix this video was uploaded. Brilliant video, very helpful thank you!
My type of mixing. Excellent. Sounds right.
Makes total sense and I never even thought about this... I really like this approach! Thank you, Warren!
Thanks ever so much!
Warren, absolutely brilliant! Thank you sir.
This is fantastic. Definitely gives it an instant 60s vibe. In the past I've used an empty hollowed out bedroom for a reverb chamber, and I use to love to send tracks out to it. It was definitely a poor man's chamber reverb, but it was quirky and I loved it. I don't have that luxury anymore, no empty bedroom, but this plugin really gives me some of that back again, in a much better sounding room of course, but still with lots of personality.
Such a simple concept with incredible results. Thanks!
Thanks ever so much!
Thank you for this lesson, I geeked throughout the entire pre-delay process! 70's magic in its intuitive simplicity✨🙏🏽
Thanks ever so much
Amazing! There's beauty in simplicity!
Great technique. It gives it so much ambience.
absolutely the best 18 minutes on recording/mixing techniques on youtube!! thanks a ton for sharing this ..it actually answered some question for me! thx again and cheers!!!
Love it and how timely as I have 3 new reverbs to use. I will definitely use this technique and quite likely on many mixes. It may seem simple but for me it is ground breaking. It adds so much coherence. Insane to receive this level of knowledge for free. Thanks a million Warren!
That is Killer, Warren! Thank you.
This was so incredibly informative... wow just wow!!! 💜🎶🔥
Wow, that sounds great!
Wonderful and incredibly practical tip!
I've learned so many cool tricks by watching your channel. It's been an invaluable resource to me. Thank you!
This was very helpful. Thank you for this.
Brilliant tips here Warren - thanks! I have often added too many reverbs and delays in the past and just ended up with a muddy mess. I'm a big believer in "less is more" in which case, and very often I've been doing much as you've done here, adding just one reverb, but love the extra delay tip on each instrument before it sends to the verb. Definitely something I'm going to be trying on my mixes.
Thanks ever so much Craig!!
Something so simple yet sounds great .
This is absolutely magical. Exactly the sort of technique I love. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks ever so much
Love that one, thank you!
Reverb is by far one of my favourite effects. Marvellous done Warren! Sounded amazing!
Thanks ever so much! Glad to be able to help!
Great mix.
Reminds me of a very well mixed live performance in a venue with awesome natural reverb.
Thanks ever so much
Splendid demonstration of "less is more" approach. Very, very interesting... Thank you so much Warren.
You’re very welcome!
Hi Warren, Thank you, you really are awesome for showing us these fantastic tricks, i learn so much from you, have a great day, all the best.
Lovely trick Warren!
Aaaaaand added to my reverb trick box haha thank you for sharing !
This reminds me of band recording on 8 track years ago with a single REV 7 reverb unit. Your guys play a bit better than we did but the recording you made has the feel of one of those recordings. Listening now I sort of miss recording that way. Don’t miss the stress of having to know your part for risk of cost overuns
Thank you Warren.
What a beautiful track ❤️
I absolutely love these videos. As just a kid going to Full Sail for Recording Arts, these are my favorite. I learn so much from these! Thank you!
Thanks ever so much Max!!
This reverb setup suited the song marvelously well
That was WOW!
It's soooo good. Thing that I loved from this channel is it always keep everything simple and practical. Thank you.
Thanks ever so much my friend
I used to do that exact thing back in the day, pre-SSL, when we were recording/ mixing in the early 70's.
I've never seen this trick before Warren. The results were amazing.
This is a great cheat I've used on my thing of using electronic instruments (I predominantly fiddle around with synths and drum machines and so on). It's a great way of creating the illusion that these instruments were sat in a room physically and recorded thus.
I've managed also to use it to split up things that very slightly clashed too by moving them a bit more away from each other. Though that's probably not something I'd recommend as that was more of a bodge on my part.
I particularly love doing it by "building up". Start with the first track, add what you feel is right, then add another track, and so on. If you get it wrong or lose yourself, drop back. It's a great trcik and it absolutely WILL teach you to use reverb correctly and efficiently if you don't have it sussed.
Thanks ever so much for sharing Daniel! I really appreciate it!
Thats a rad technique! Thanks man! 👍
Live recordings are the best, period! Great stuff Warren.
I have been trying this sort of thing for a while. With little success, mind you. Now that I know the secret, You can bet I'll be back at it. Thank you, Warren.
How great is this track, Bobby? I never tire of it!
Thanks ever so much Bobby!
@@petesawchuk agreed! Great song!
This is one I'll need lots of practice with wrapping my head around. I think I'll save this one. 😅 I will eventually get the hang of it. I feel so peculiar thinking about where to start creating reverb this way.
I'm coming from an earlier world where for fun reverb, I'd be riding with my music making and other performing friends to go driving around to all of the fun natural spaces we knew of with built in environmental reverb, and record ourselves. We threw several after hours coed parties in various locker rooms and empty nunneries to just check what it would sound like in different places. Barn silos, to missile silos, Red Rocks, to Central City, mine shafts. In the empty museum waiting for the planetarium laser Rock Show. In the empty planetarium itself, and in the zoo, at different habitats etc. I miss those people so much I didn't realize the rarity of that kind of openness of cooperative experimentation and cohesion amongst that many people at once. I know this was just about reverb, but it reminded me of what fun we had building a performance (many types of performances) and then capturing bits of it to do again, keeping what worked and making it better each time.
I think this place reminds me of the spirit of that bunch of people. ❤️
Thanks, Warren, I really apreciate this. I was looking that exactly effect on one song I'm producing, and this was the solution, and made all very simple to me.
Thanks ever so much! I'm so glad to be able to help! Have a marvellous time recording and mixing, many thanks, Warren
So cool! Thank you very much - it sounds wonderful!
Thanks ever so much
Such a great video!! I’ll be trying this!
Thanks ever so much my friend!!
Thank you Warren this simple trick has completely opened out my mixes and given them breadth and depth
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You’re very welcome
Really cool Reverb.. having my eyes on this for Black Friday.. i tried out the trial last month and liked it a lot.. especially the akg spring that you used
I love it Shows how easily you can use something so simple to provide cohesion and adding depth. A perfect demonstration the K.I.S.S. Method.
Amazing ! Thnx for the trick and congrats for the band and the rec !!! 👏👏👏
Thanks ever so much
ow totally cool ! professional, clear, concrete explanation, and sympathetic as ever.
Love It!!!Nice trick!!Thank you!!
You’re very welcome
Amazing how good it sounds
I usually time the reverb with the BPM of the song. Then experiment with the millisecond values of pre-delay (1/4 note 1/8 note 1/16 note 1/32 note ETC) for each instrument and vocal in the song. Yea, it's time-consuming but the reward is the "everything in one room" sound that is so cool. But sometimes you might not worry about timing the reverb, and just add a little mix of a bused reverb to each instrument or vocal. If it works in the mix then that's cool too.
I was practice mixing using one of the Cambridge multitracks, and I was getting there with the mix, but wasn’t totally happy. Implementation of this trick totally put me in the happy place. The track I was mixing was live recorded too in 1 take. This technique works a treat for that type of material
Great song and the reverb add so much mojo.
Great sounding piano
wow awesome, thanks for this video.!
Wow thats an incredible trick
Thanks ever so much Mark!