This brought back the warmth that I was trying to get to along with that break through on my mixes. I had trouble with high end and this actually solved that issue for me. Thank you!
If you don't compensate the dry level when adding any copy in parallel, altered or otherwise, is gonna add volume. It's the same as adding nearly 6db to the fader (doubling a signal), the comparison is moot as its always gonna sound louder / better or 'cut more' as you say.
I agree. Though when I tried this I am watching my levels and not seeing a visible increase in vocal or overall volume but I understand how I have to be aware. Still, it does seem to sharpen my vocals, even them out and help them sit in the mix, more legible.
@@dawmix are you watching the levels on a vocal bus that the parallel channel is also being sent? There’s no way you could increase the level of a parallel track and it not essentially be adding gain to the overall signal. I really think this trick works because it’s just adding more volume to the vocals. I’d be interested to see if there was a way to do this inside of single plugin with a mix knob that you could throw on the main vocal and see if it actually works
@@slayabouts this discussion is important. Buses are necessary for various reasons but add gain into the mix which is seductive. A fair thing to say? If the fx is in the bus then the more volume on the bus the more fx. But the you have to lessen the track volume to compensate. And the there is gain staging so once that is set then bus and track volumes must be worked until volume/effect balance works with the rest of the tracks. This is how I interpret it.
I have to agree. I've been waiting until the end of the video to find out what the "trick" is - when it's just essentially adding volume and a bit of processing to the vocal. I'm not saying that adding volume alone would have the same result, I'm sure the EQ/compression step makes a difference, but mostly it's adding volume - which you can clearly hear and see when he starts riding the fader. The difference in volume is huge.
Indeed. So it's more a case of the higher frequencies triggering the compressor more than the lows. It's like a very low-tech / basic de-esser, though not a very transparent nor a particularly effective one. The that little knob/pot on the LA-2A is somewhat like a tilt-eq. But it has a peculiar frequency curve, and it may even be level-dependent. I know that from a very obsessive plugin analysis session I did a while back. Bonus-fact: Chris Lord-Alge does sorta the same. He boosts the highs on vocals before compression, for that exact de-essing effect.
The irony in your comment is delicious. lol It is only compressing ("reacting" as the OP wrote) the high end. The fact that it's not a sidechain is irrelevant.
Used this trick, it's the best deal for your artist, thank you so much, i appreciate you, this was the most common problem for not comfortable hearing the artist in the mix, after your couse tip videos i start look much more diffrent to the mix stage.
Yes. It's an unfortunate position they did of that bandwidth control, when they made the Pully. Confusion-wise akin to the LA-2A's position of the output gain on the left, leading many to think it controls the input gain. And then there's the 1176, with its counterclockwise attack and release controls 😅
Nice video and well explained. I have seen Andrew apply this technique on other sources as well as vocals. It’s very old school and I love it. Schepps is a legend.
Its crazy that as you bring up that second channel of the same vocal you can hear it better. Who would have thought that more volume would make it easier to hear over the rest of the music? Thats some magic right there.
Wow. Just wow. What a great video. That would have give me millions of headaches with sidechain eq and worse parallel compression but now i know this trick!
This has worked perfectly on the mix i'm working on. Holy balls. What a neat trick. Thanks very much for sharing and replying to everyones questions in the comments. AND WHAT TIMING to find this video now just when i needed it . . . i'm proud of you, I'm proud of myself, proud of Andrew Scheps.
m using a Waves NS1 Mono API 560 Vocal Preset R Dessor Dave P setting against Harshness and Last in my Vocal Change.... I've got the VLA 3A by Black Rooster (Pretty Much the BEST) Vocal and Bass Guitar Plugin online....) Going into my UAD 476 Volt with 48+ Phantom, 1176 Compressor and Vintage Effect in ... Honest sounds like I'm singing into an analog Mixer with Gate and a UAD Textronic LA2A...all in the Box on the Computer Once again....I do not claim to know more than Andrew Scheps...but....his Idea might work better if your Using a $3000 interface with a $2000 LA2A comp.....so in the Box with a great vocal interface like Volt....trust my vocal chain sounds warmer, clearer and is cutting through my mix sharper and smoother than your suggestion above...no offense I just went into my Vocal Closet Set up and shot your Idea against mine...I won....LOL ....the Black Rooster VLA 3A, API 560 EQ and Volt 476 UAD Interface for vocals...three must...if you want to compete with the $200,000 studios.....as far as vocals....
Thank you for this! It works really really well on the kind of music I usually mix and it's so fast! The great thing is that Studio One has both these devices inside the stock Fat Channel plug-in, including the frequency knob on the LA-2A emulation. For the adding of harmonics you need 3rd party though, but with the stock ones it already works really well!
Thank you for the valuable information. I would like to highlight that the "Bandwidth" control exclusively influences high frequencies, with no impact on the lower frequencies.
m using a Waves NS1 Mono API 560 Vocal Preset R Dessor Dave P setting against Harshness and Last in my Vocal Change.... I've got the VLA 3A by Black Rooster (Pretty Much the BEST) Vocal and Bass Guitar Plugin online....) Going into my UAD 476 Volt with 48+ Phantom, 1176 Compressor and Vintage Effect in ... Honest sounds like I'm singing into an analog Mixer with Gate and a UAD Textronic LA2A...all in the Box on the Computer Once again....I do not claim to know more than Andrew Scheps...but....his Idea might work better if your Using a $3000 interface with a $2000 LA2A comp.....so in the Box with a great vocal interface like Volt....trust my vocal chain sounds warmer, clearer and is cutting through my mix sharper and smoother than your suggestion above...no offense I just went into my Vocal Closet Set up and shot your Idea against mine...I won....LOL ....the Black Rooster VLA 3A, API 560 EQ and Volt 476 UAD Interface for vocals...three must...if you want to compete with the $200,000 studios.....as far as vocals....
Very cool... I've always used a multi-band compressor - excited to give this technique a test, always love experimenting with new techniques. Thanks & Cheers from Seattle!
m using a Waves NS1 Mono API 560 Vocal Preset R Dessor Dave P setting against Harshness and Last in my Vocal Change.... I've got the VLA 3A by Black Rooster (Pretty Much the BEST) Vocal and Bass Guitar Plugin online....) Going into my UAD 476 Volt with 48+ Phantom, 1176 Compressor and Vintage Effect in ... Honest sounds like I'm singing into an analog Mixer with Gate and a UAD Textronic LA2A...all in the Box on the Computer Once again....I do not claim to know more than Andrew Scheps...but....his Idea might work better if your Using a $3000 interface with a $2000 LA2A comp.....so in the Box with a great vocal interface like Volt....trust my vocal chain sounds warmer, clearer and is cutting through my mix sharper and smoother than your suggestion above...no offense I just went into my Vocal Closet Set up and shot your Idea against mine...I won....LOL ....the Black Rooster VLA 3A, API 560 EQ and Volt 476 UAD Interface for vocals...three must...if you want to compete with the $200,000 studios.....as far as vocals....
I have a mix that's just been killing me because there are stacks of vocals and a lot going on. Problem solved immediately. Even the vocal that was standing alone with one instrument in the beginning. All of the sudden sounds twice as good. Thank you!
I think the more interesting video would be to hear these same comparisons, but also just hearing you turn up the vocal. I'd love an A/B/C where C is literally just the vocal gained up. I say this because it feels like your vocal is undermixed from the beginning. At the end of the day however you get to a good result that pleases you is great. But when I see overly complex methods I like this I tend to wonder what the simpler solution would be...like just gaining up the vocal with a little multiband compression. Thanks for the vid!
m using a Waves NS1 Mono API 560 Vocal Preset R Dessor Dave P setting against Harshness and Last in my Vocal Change.... I've got the VLA 3A by Black Rooster (Pretty Much the BEST) Vocal and Bass Guitar Plugin online....) Going into my UAD 476 Volt with 48+ Phantom, 1176 Compressor and Vintage Effect in ... Honest sounds like I'm singing into an analog Mixer with Gate and a UAD Textronic LA2A...all in the Box on the Computer Once again....I do not claim to know more than Andrew Scheps...but....his Idea might work better if your Using a $3000 interface with a $2000 LA2A comp.....so in the Box with a great vocal interface like Volt....trust my vocal chain sounds warmer, clearer and is cutting through my mix sharper and smoother than your suggestion above...no offense I just went into my Vocal Closet Set up and shot your Idea against mine...I won....LOL ....the Black Rooster VLA 3A, API 560 EQ and Volt 476 UAD Interface for vocals...three must...if you want to compete with the $200,000 studios.....as far as vocals....
Great vid, thanks. Would have been great to also have heard the processed vocal signal by itself in order to gain better understanding as to why it makes such a difference to the final mix. Cheers.
m using a Waves NS1 Mono API 560 Vocal Preset R Dessor Dave P setting against Harshness and Last in my Vocal Change.... I've got the VLA 3A by Black Rooster (Pretty Much the BEST) Vocal and Bass Guitar Plugin online....) Going into my UAD 476 Volt with 48+ Phantom, 1176 Compressor and Vintage Effect in ... Honest sounds like I'm singing into an analog Mixer with Gate and a UAD Textronic LA2A...all in the Box on the Computer Once again....I do not claim to know more than Andrew Scheps...but....his Idea might work better if your Using a $3000 interface with a $2000 LA2A comp.....so in the Box with a great vocal interface like Volt....trust my vocal chain sounds warmer, clearer and is cutting through my mix sharper and smoother than your suggestion above...no offense I just went into my Vocal Closet Set up and shot your Idea against mine...I won....LOL ....the Black Rooster VLA 3A, API 560 EQ and Volt 476 UAD Interface for vocals...three must...if you want to compete with the $200,000 studios.....as far as vocals....
This is nice though it’s a bid vague regarding what effects are ( if any ) already on the lead vocal track . . Does this effect the reverb ? A side chained reverb ? An exciter ? How would this technique effect those effects already on a vocal track or should you add other effects AFTER this is used ?
The same effect can be achieved more easily by simply using a multiple band compressor, compressing only the upper-midrange band, and then blending in parallel. This was something he did in HW before multi-band compressors even existed.
you're correct. there's a lot of technical ways to do the same. but pultec & LA-2A are famous for their saturation and "musical color". So, i guess, if you need some extra warm and crisp you'll do this way:)
1. Multiband compressing introduces phase shifts and flips (or pre-ringing) at the crossover frequency. The Scheps method comes with different phase issues. 2. LA 2A is a wideband compressor no matter what - making it less reactive to the low end does not mean it doesn't compress it. Similar effect - kind of... but the sound difference is significant enough to try both imho.
@@TomiSimatupang You're right. But had multi-band compressors been largely available when this technique was created, I suspect they would have gone that way. This 'trick' is a byproduct of an era where you had to string together 3 expensive boxes to do what he wanted...have a very dense mid-range in the vocal. So we glamorize it because AS uses it, but not because there isn't some other way to do something similar (and potentially faster / less resource intensive.) FWIW - I use it sometimes as it's in my template, but it's worthwhile for people to understand what is really going on so they can decide for themselves (and the song) what they should do. :)
@@ParadNorthProd Thanks. I agree that it is very old school, but it does sound much better than a multi-band compressor to me. The old school method tends to sound in your face, crisp with a lot of character. I don't care who invented that, it just works :) A friend of mine does the multi-band thing to every vocal and I hate it 80% of the time. I've tried it, used linear band and dynamic eq, too. Especially with non linear phase mb compressors I get weird phasing effects or just a hollow, unnatural mhf or disconnected consonants.. How do you get it to sound nice?
A good mic , compression , aural exciter EQ and maybe a de esser . . If you compartmentalize the range of all the instruments In the mix , you will create clarity . Making every instrument as fat as possible causes mud and sound cancellation in a dense mix . Strong left and right panning leaving the vocal in the middle also makes the focus on the voice more apparent . The fewer instruments the fatter (. More overtones )you can make each instrument in the mix
Arguably the greatest mixer of all time, CLA disagrees. He doesn't compartmentalize or "carve out" frequencies. I fact he preaches against that. See the Waves Audio video they released a few weeks ago about about "vocal mixing myths."
m using a Waves NS1 Mono API 560 Vocal Preset R Dessor Dave P setting against Harshness and Last in my Vocal Change.... I've got the VLA 3A by Black Rooster (Pretty Much the BEST) Vocal and Bass Guitar Plugin online....) Going into my UAD 476 Volt with 48+ Phantom, 1176 Compressor and Vintage Effect in ... Honest sounds like I'm singing into an analog Mixer with Gate and a UAD Textronic LA2A...all in the Box on the Computer Once again....I do not claim to know more than Andrew Scheps...but....his Idea might work better if your Using a $3000 interface with a $2000 LA2A comp.....so in the Box with a great vocal interface like Volt....trust my vocal chain sounds warmer, clearer and is cutting through my mix sharper and smoother than your suggestion above...no offense I just went into my Vocal Closet Set up and shot your Idea against mine...I won....LOL ....the Black Rooster VLA 3A, API 560 EQ and Volt 476 UAD Interface for vocals...three must...if you want to compete with the $200,000 studios.....as far as vocals....
Thank you so much for sharing your time and Andrew's technique with us. Just so I understand correctly. You are sending the lead vocal to a buss where the plugins reside. Obviously, I am a little late to the party. Oh well, better late than never!
Hi everybody, this is a good video and I appreciate every lesson online. What I’m looking for is to make a vocal chain using basic cubase stock plug ins. If any one has any tips on where to find a video lesson or maybe you know some tips yourself? I’d be happy to hear from you
That is actually more due to level increase when you bring up the parallel channel. The LA-2A does little to nothing given its parallel context. I would be more aggressive with the compression on the parallel so it also creates movement and depth. I would also not advise for a strict recipe because we all know Andrew doesn’t have a fixed gain structure, instead he always relies on his ears.
Aside from any effect of the processing, it sounds to me that the main reason the vocal is "cutting through" better is that the overall level has been brought up 2-3dB. I'd like to hear a demo where the level is fairly compensated so only the effect of the processing is heard. Listen again for yourself alternating between the two at 3:10 and 3:48.
I get your point, but the added gain is inherent in the parallel processing. It's not the same as just turning up the main vocal channel 3dB since there's such an upper mid range emphasis in the parallel channel, and there's some saturation/added harmonics from the modeled analog gear.
Heck, just take some 3K medium Q separate channel slide it in - low pass everything below 1K. - I wonder if that would work?? Kind of like brining in some definition on a bass drum.
m using a Waves NS1 Mono API 560 Vocal Preset R Dessor Dave P setting against Harshness and Last in my Vocal Change.... I've got the VLA 3A by Black Rooster (Pretty Much the BEST) Vocal and Bass Guitar Plugin online....) Going into my UAD 476 Volt with 48+ Phantom, 1176 Compressor and Vintage Effect in ... Honest sounds like I'm singing into an analog Mixer with Gate and a UAD Textronic LA2A...all in the Box on the Computer Once again....I do not claim to know more than Andrew Scheps...but....his Idea might work better if your Using a $3000 interface with a $2000 LA2A comp.....so in the Box with a great vocal interface like Volt....trust my vocal chain sounds warmer, clearer and is cutting through my mix sharper and smoother than your suggestion above...no offense I just went into my Vocal Closet Set up and shot your Idea against mine...I won....LOL ....the Black Rooster VLA 3A, API 560 EQ and Volt 476 UAD Interface for vocals...three must...if you want to compete with the $200,000 studios.....as far as vocals....
Hey how are you, I was wondering if you could help me out, the thing is that I am a blind producer not completely and can’t follow along, I use logic, and of course ProTools I’m guessing he is using this on a bus regardless if he isn’t I’m wondering if he could create a logic channel strip for me with the settings that he’s done so I could have it ready to go in logic, if you don’t use logic I also ProTools do you think you could create a session with the plug-ins that he is using and just send it to me with the presets already in place and I’ll do the rest it will mean the world thanks
@@GreenLightSound The infamous 'Puigtec'. Tried it too, works as shown here. I wonder if this technique works well with other instruments with slightly different settings.
Maybe this is a dumb question, but at ~4:00 mins, doesn't the vocal track become more present by virtue of the added volume of the vocal bus track? How do you know if the 'move' was successful because of top end compression, as opposed to simply added volume?
Not a dumb question at all. Parallel processing inherently adds gain, but this technique allows the top end EQ to cut through more. Try it both ways and you'll notice a difference.
My question is doesnt it just result in a volume boost ? Wont it make the vocal clip instead ? We can alway make things cut through by boosting volume but it just wont be good in mastering .
The added clarity comes from the upper mid emphasis, not just the added gain from the parallel processing. It shouldn't make the vocal clip as long as you're gain staging everything. It has no effect on the mastering process as long as you're not running your mix too hot.
Just as an FYI, there's a Pultec emulator called Warmy by Kiive that's free. I used that with a compressor with sidechain filter that allowed top end filtering above 1k. I worked really well to pull clarity out of a vocal. Nice tip. Thank you!
Hello I am a blind producer and it’s a little bit difficult to follow you, with the first option is there anyway you could save the preset so that way I could import it into my plug-in? Or if you do work with logic can you save the chain and I can import it into logic? If I could hear back from you it would mean the world thank you
Thanks for the wonderful video, I wish I could follow along but I’m a blind producer and know a lot about parallel processing, I have all the plug-ins you mention the universal audio I have the legacy, and would love to see if you could send me a channel strip for logic so I can pull it up let me know if you can help me out it would be wonderful to try this at home thanks again
The bandwidth on a Pultec doesn’t affect the lower band. It’s part of the middle band, which is the boost only. The lower band has fixed bandwidth, which you can boost or attenuate (or both!).
I think the stock set up sounded better. I have both set ups . I use Studio One with an Apollo. I dig Luna also but In my opinion my vocal texture sounds smoother right from the start in Studio One. I love the fact I can drop a mic pre in the unison slot with Console. I tweak the vocal presets in Console and get some killer vocal sounds using my AKG C214 or the Rhode NT -1. I don't find myself using the 7B much anymore. Unless I'm belting. Before I treated my room it was my go to mic. Great video I'm definitely implementing that on something. Thanks
Hey what’s up, I was wondering if you can help me out the thing is is that I am a visually impaired producer and can’t follow along in the video, I don’t know if you use logic or ProTools, but do you think you could save the preset in logic so I could import it, or if you could just create a session in ProTools with the plug-ins that he has with the proper settings and then I could do everything from there and just send me the session? It would mean a lot thank you so much hopefully you can help me out
Not quite. This compresses the whole signal. The compression is just triggered from the high freq content. Plus you get the modeled tube sound of the comp and pultecs.
Wow the best trick I’ve ever learned since 12 years ago (even if I don’t lean on others tricks) !! Thank you that’s great. So if I got it .. you send on a different bus on which you apply this process ?!
m using a Waves NS1 Mono API 560 Vocal Preset R Dessor Dave P setting against Harshness and Last in my Vocal Change.... I've got the VLA 3A by Black Rooster (Pretty Much the BEST) Vocal and Bass Guitar Plugin online....) Going into my UAD 476 Volt with 48+ Phantom, 1176 Compressor and Vintage Effect in ... Honest sounds like I'm singing into an analog Mixer with Gate and a UAD Textronic LA2A...all in the Box on the Computer Once again....I do not claim to know more than Andrew Scheps...but....his Idea might work better if your Using a $3000 interface with a $2000 LA2A comp.....so in the Box with a great vocal interface like Volt....trust my vocal chain sounds warmer, clearer and is cutting through my mix sharper and smoother than your suggestion above...no offense I just went into my Vocal Closet Set up and shot your Idea against mine...I won....LOL ....the Black Rooster VLA 3A, API 560 EQ and Volt 476 UAD Interface for vocals...three must...if you want to compete with the $200,000 studios.....as far as vocals....
for hip hop try running a cla 76 into a cla 2a ..the 76 only catching 1 reduction the 2a catching 2-3 reduction adjust the 2a for overall make up gain dont let the cla 76 signal leave too hot then parallel that main bus with a rcomp squashed to a 50 ratio 5,000 release 3.2 attack -34 threshold then blend that into the main signal and trust me youll notice a difference
This brought back the warmth that I was trying to get to along with that break through on my mixes. I had trouble with high end and this actually solved that issue for me. Thank you!
If you don't compensate the dry level when adding any copy in parallel, altered or otherwise, is gonna add volume. It's the same as adding nearly 6db to the fader (doubling a signal), the comparison is moot as its always gonna sound louder / better or 'cut more' as you say.
I agree. Though when I tried this I am watching my levels and not seeing a visible increase in vocal or overall volume but I understand how I have to be aware. Still, it does seem to sharpen my vocals, even them out and help them sit in the mix, more legible.
@@dawmix are you watching the levels on a vocal bus that the parallel channel is also being sent? There’s no way you could increase the level of a parallel track and it not essentially be adding gain to the overall signal.
I really think this trick works because it’s just adding more volume to the vocals. I’d be interested to see if there was a way to do this inside of single plugin with a mix knob that you could throw on the main vocal and see if it actually works
@@slayabouts this discussion is important. Buses are necessary for various reasons but add gain into the mix which is seductive. A fair thing to say?
If the fx is in the bus then the more volume on the bus the more fx. But the you have to lessen the track volume to compensate. And the there is gain staging so once that is set then bus and track volumes must be worked until volume/effect balance works with the rest of the tracks. This is how I interpret it.
@@slayabouts thank you for your reply. Very much appreciated.
I have to agree. I've been waiting until the end of the video to find out what the "trick" is - when it's just essentially adding volume and a bit of processing to the vocal. I'm not saying that adding volume alone would have the same result, I'm sure the EQ/compression step makes a difference, but mostly it's adding volume - which you can clearly hear and see when he starts riding the fader. The difference in volume is huge.
Great tip - but just to clarify, the compressor is compressing the whole signal still but just reacting to the information above 1khz.
Right. I may have misspoke in the video. Thanks for the clarification.
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Indeed. So it's more a case of the higher frequencies triggering the compressor more than the lows. It's like a very low-tech / basic de-esser, though not a very transparent nor a particularly effective one.
The that little knob/pot on the LA-2A is somewhat like a tilt-eq. But it has a peculiar frequency curve, and it may even be level-dependent. I know that from a very obsessive plugin analysis session I did a while back.
Bonus-fact: Chris Lord-Alge does sorta the same. He boosts the highs on vocals before compression, for that exact de-essing effect.
@@Tazmanian_Ninjahappenin because there too much highs and the compressor over react ?
The irony in your comment is delicious. lol
It is only compressing ("reacting" as the OP wrote) the high end. The fact that it's not a sidechain is irrelevant.
Attenuating on the pultec is sooooo good. It cuts so hard but in such a clean way. And it's curves are insane.
It really makes a difference! Thank you for sharing.
Used this trick, it's the best deal for your artist, thank you so much, i appreciate you, this was the most common problem for not comfortable hearing the artist in the mix, after your couse tip videos i start look much more diffrent to the mix stage.
works! althought the bandwidth knob on a pultec works in conjunction with the hight freq boost, not the low end.
That’s right!
These techniques are insane.. Thank you so much for extremely valuable content 👌
Pro tip: On the Pultec EQP-1A, the bandwidth control affects the "hi boost" control, NOT the "low band"....
I just wanted to write that :D
Pro Tip: Read Manuals =D
Yes. It's an unfortunate position they did of that bandwidth control, when they made the Pully. Confusion-wise akin to the LA-2A's position of the output gain on the left, leading many to think it controls the input gain.
And then there's the 1176, with its counterclockwise attack and release controls 😅
Absolutly! I see many people making and commenting the same mistake ;}
I can’t believe that ppl call them self engineers snd copy past setting eq without even knowing how they work..
its magic
thank you soo much
Nice video and well explained. I have seen Andrew apply this technique on other sources as well as vocals. It’s very old school and I love it. Schepps is a legend.
where i wanna see him do it
Its crazy that as you bring up that second channel of the same vocal you can hear it better. Who would have thought that more volume would make it easier to hear over the rest of the music? Thats some magic right there.
You mean like nearly every other parallel process?
@@GreenLightSound not when you actually compensate for that volume gain beyond the effect. ....
come on. He is right. take it.
@@GreenLightSound You know you're supposed to compensate for that, right?
my thoughts exactly.
This guy gets it.
Wow. Just wow. What a great video. That would have give me millions of headaches with sidechain eq and worse parallel compression but now i know this trick!
Happy to help!
wow that help me a lot in my mix! you are the man!!
This has worked perfectly on the mix i'm working on. Holy balls. What a neat trick. Thanks very much for sharing and replying to everyones questions in the comments. AND WHAT TIMING to find this video now just when i needed it . . . i'm proud of you, I'm proud of myself, proud of Andrew Scheps.
Glad to help, and glad that the timing worked out for you!
it's such a cool technique. glad it helped you out so much, i'm going to be looking for a chance to use it, especially since i just got the waves LA2A
I'm saying dude. This shit just changed the game
m using a
Waves NS1 Mono
API 560 Vocal Preset
R Dessor Dave P setting against Harshness
and Last in my Vocal Change....
I've got the VLA 3A by Black Rooster (Pretty Much the BEST) Vocal and Bass Guitar Plugin online....)
Going into my UAD 476 Volt with 48+ Phantom, 1176 Compressor and Vintage Effect in ...
Honest sounds like I'm singing into an analog Mixer with Gate and a UAD Textronic LA2A...all in the Box on the Computer
Once again....I do not claim to know more than Andrew Scheps...but....his Idea might work better if your Using a $3000 interface with a $2000 LA2A comp.....so in the Box with a great vocal interface like Volt....trust my vocal chain sounds warmer, clearer and is cutting through my mix sharper and smoother than your suggestion above...no offense
I just went into my Vocal Closet Set up and shot your Idea against mine...I won....LOL ....the Black Rooster VLA 3A, API 560 EQ and Volt 476 UAD Interface for vocals...three must...if you want to compete with the $200,000 studios.....as far as vocals....
I just found your channel today and I’ve watched like 5 videos. Love the short, straightforward demos and explanations. Keep it up. Subscribed!
Thank you! Glad you like the channel.
I am getting startled by how excited I'm starting to be about these nob-turning videos hahaha
The pristine Presonus PulTec - The stock EQ and Compressor are very clean and transparent.
Thank you for this! It works really really well on the kind of music I usually mix and it's so fast! The great thing is that Studio One has both these devices inside the stock Fat Channel plug-in, including the frequency knob on the LA-2A emulation. For the adding of harmonics you need 3rd party though, but with the stock ones it already works really well!
You're welcome! Nice Fat Channel tip - it's a great tool.
Thank you for the valuable information. I would like to highlight that the "Bandwidth" control exclusively influences high frequencies, with no impact on the lower frequencies.
Yeah -- really brings on a big 'FM radio vibe' when you dial the processing into the mix.
Nice technique, works great 😊
No wonder that Andrew mixes in the box with so much parallel busses.
This is pretty much what the "Thrust" setting on the API compressors does I think? Clever side chain stuff.
m using a
Waves NS1 Mono
API 560 Vocal Preset
R Dessor Dave P setting against Harshness
and Last in my Vocal Change....
I've got the VLA 3A by Black Rooster (Pretty Much the BEST) Vocal and Bass Guitar Plugin online....)
Going into my UAD 476 Volt with 48+ Phantom, 1176 Compressor and Vintage Effect in ...
Honest sounds like I'm singing into an analog Mixer with Gate and a UAD Textronic LA2A...all in the Box on the Computer
Once again....I do not claim to know more than Andrew Scheps...but....his Idea might work better if your Using a $3000 interface with a $2000 LA2A comp.....so in the Box with a great vocal interface like Volt....trust my vocal chain sounds warmer, clearer and is cutting through my mix sharper and smoother than your suggestion above...no offense
I just went into my Vocal Closet Set up and shot your Idea against mine...I won....LOL ....the Black Rooster VLA 3A, API 560 EQ and Volt 476 UAD Interface for vocals...three must...if you want to compete with the $200,000 studios.....as far as vocals....
Organic & natural always better 🙏🏽✨
On a Pultec, the bandwidth control applies to the treble boost, not the low shelf.
Very cool... I've always used a multi-band compressor - excited to give this technique a test, always love experimenting with new techniques. Thanks & Cheers from Seattle!
Excellent! Thank you!
Thank you so much man this made a HUGE difference in how my vocals cut through the mix
Happy to help!
I just bought the waves plugins and was totally confused by the layout. Thanks for simplifying things!
You're welcome!
I'd reccomend you read the manual too. There are some mistakes in the video.
m using a
Waves NS1 Mono
API 560 Vocal Preset
R Dessor Dave P setting against Harshness
and Last in my Vocal Change....
I've got the VLA 3A by Black Rooster (Pretty Much the BEST) Vocal and Bass Guitar Plugin online....)
Going into my UAD 476 Volt with 48+ Phantom, 1176 Compressor and Vintage Effect in ...
Honest sounds like I'm singing into an analog Mixer with Gate and a UAD Textronic LA2A...all in the Box on the Computer
Once again....I do not claim to know more than Andrew Scheps...but....his Idea might work better if your Using a $3000 interface with a $2000 LA2A comp.....so in the Box with a great vocal interface like Volt....trust my vocal chain sounds warmer, clearer and is cutting through my mix sharper and smoother than your suggestion above...no offense
I just went into my Vocal Closet Set up and shot your Idea against mine...I won....LOL ....the Black Rooster VLA 3A, API 560 EQ and Volt 476 UAD Interface for vocals...three must...if you want to compete with the $200,000 studios.....as far as vocals....
Great information btw I listen to quite a number of these tutorials & Jeff song 'paralyzed' by far my favorite will look this songwriter/preformer up.
Thanks so much for the tutorial, definitely subscribing because you also use Studio One
Awesome, thank you!
I have a mix that's just been killing me because there are stacks of vocals and a lot going on. Problem solved immediately. Even the vocal that was standing alone with one instrument in the beginning. All of the sudden sounds twice as good. Thank you!
Happy to help!
Suddenly recording life just got easier. Thanx.
I think the more interesting video would be to hear these same comparisons, but also just hearing you turn up the vocal. I'd love an A/B/C where C is literally just the vocal gained up. I say this because it feels like your vocal is undermixed from the beginning. At the end of the day however you get to a good result that pleases you is great. But when I see overly complex methods I like this I tend to wonder what the simpler solution would be...like just gaining up the vocal with a little multiband compression. Thanks for the vid!
3 plugins to make it just louder... Impressive
Can you do a video on setting up a mix template using stock and 3rd party plug-in.
m using a
Waves NS1 Mono
API 560 Vocal Preset
R Dessor Dave P setting against Harshness
and Last in my Vocal Change....
I've got the VLA 3A by Black Rooster (Pretty Much the BEST) Vocal and Bass Guitar Plugin online....)
Going into my UAD 476 Volt with 48+ Phantom, 1176 Compressor and Vintage Effect in ...
Honest sounds like I'm singing into an analog Mixer with Gate and a UAD Textronic LA2A...all in the Box on the Computer
Once again....I do not claim to know more than Andrew Scheps...but....his Idea might work better if your Using a $3000 interface with a $2000 LA2A comp.....so in the Box with a great vocal interface like Volt....trust my vocal chain sounds warmer, clearer and is cutting through my mix sharper and smoother than your suggestion above...no offense
I just went into my Vocal Closet Set up and shot your Idea against mine...I won....LOL ....the Black Rooster VLA 3A, API 560 EQ and Volt 476 UAD Interface for vocals...three must...if you want to compete with the $200,000 studios.....as far as vocals....
Great vid, thanks. Would have been great to also have heard the processed vocal signal by itself in order to gain better understanding as to why it makes such a difference to the final mix. Cheers.
m using a
Waves NS1 Mono
API 560 Vocal Preset
R Dessor Dave P setting against Harshness
and Last in my Vocal Change....
I've got the VLA 3A by Black Rooster (Pretty Much the BEST) Vocal and Bass Guitar Plugin online....)
Going into my UAD 476 Volt with 48+ Phantom, 1176 Compressor and Vintage Effect in ...
Honest sounds like I'm singing into an analog Mixer with Gate and a UAD Textronic LA2A...all in the Box on the Computer
Once again....I do not claim to know more than Andrew Scheps...but....his Idea might work better if your Using a $3000 interface with a $2000 LA2A comp.....so in the Box with a great vocal interface like Volt....trust my vocal chain sounds warmer, clearer and is cutting through my mix sharper and smoother than your suggestion above...no offense
I just went into my Vocal Closet Set up and shot your Idea against mine...I won....LOL ....the Black Rooster VLA 3A, API 560 EQ and Volt 476 UAD Interface for vocals...three must...if you want to compete with the $200,000 studios.....as far as vocals....
This is nice though it’s a bid vague regarding what effects are ( if any ) already on the lead vocal track . . Does this effect the reverb ? A side chained reverb ? An exciter ? How would this technique effect those effects already on a vocal track or should you add other effects AFTER this is used ?
The same effect can be achieved more easily by simply using a multiple band compressor, compressing only the upper-midrange band, and then blending in parallel. This was something he did in HW before multi-band compressors even existed.
you're correct. there's a lot of technical ways to do the same. but pultec & LA-2A are famous for their saturation and "musical color". So, i guess, if you need some extra warm and crisp you'll do this way:)
1. Multiband compressing introduces phase shifts and flips (or pre-ringing) at the crossover frequency. The Scheps method comes with different phase issues. 2. LA 2A is a wideband compressor no matter what - making it less reactive to the low end does not mean it doesn't compress it. Similar effect - kind of... but the sound difference is significant enough to try both imho.
@@TomiSimatupang You're right. But had multi-band compressors been largely available when this technique was created, I suspect they would have gone that way. This 'trick' is a byproduct of an era where you had to string together 3 expensive boxes to do what he wanted...have a very dense mid-range in the vocal. So we glamorize it because AS uses it, but not because there isn't some other way to do something similar (and potentially faster / less resource intensive.)
FWIW - I use it sometimes as it's in my template, but it's worthwhile for people to understand what is really going on so they can decide for themselves (and the song) what they should do. :)
@@ParadNorthProd Thanks. I agree that it is very old school, but it does sound much better than a multi-band compressor to me. The old school method tends to sound in your face, crisp with a lot of character. I don't care who invented that, it just works :) A friend of mine does the multi-band thing to every vocal and I hate it 80% of the time. I've tried it, used linear band and dynamic eq, too. Especially with non linear phase mb compressors I get weird phasing effects or just a hollow, unnatural mhf or disconnected consonants.. How do you get it to sound nice?
Good tips I enjoyed the video ty
Pultec example sounds SO much better than "stock" example though! :D
Agreed, and that's the one I use. But you can get by with the stock plugins if you don't have a decent Pultec emulation.
I feel like those graphic eq have created a serious phase shift and resulted in some phase issues in the “stock” case
the pultec boosts and attenuates in a different way than any other eq, its not like any graphic eq,
Pultec has tube emulation which will result in saturation and he has 2 of them. Saturation helps things cut through the mix also.
@@entity9588 Yep. I was about to add this comment. If you add experiment with a saturation plug in or two you might get close.
A good mic , compression , aural exciter EQ and maybe a de esser . . If you compartmentalize the range of all the instruments In the mix , you will create clarity . Making every instrument as fat as possible causes mud and sound cancellation in a dense mix . Strong left and right panning leaving the vocal in the middle also makes the focus on the voice more apparent . The fewer instruments the fatter (. More overtones )you can make each instrument in the mix
Arguably the greatest mixer of all time, CLA disagrees. He doesn't compartmentalize or "carve out" frequencies. I fact he preaches against that. See the Waves Audio video they released a few weeks ago about about "vocal mixing myths."
I just tried this on a mix and it works great. Awesome trick. I just put it on a send and feed it as needed.
m using a
Waves NS1 Mono
API 560 Vocal Preset
R Dessor Dave P setting against Harshness
and Last in my Vocal Change....
I've got the VLA 3A by Black Rooster (Pretty Much the BEST) Vocal and Bass Guitar Plugin online....)
Going into my UAD 476 Volt with 48+ Phantom, 1176 Compressor and Vintage Effect in ...
Honest sounds like I'm singing into an analog Mixer with Gate and a UAD Textronic LA2A...all in the Box on the Computer
Once again....I do not claim to know more than Andrew Scheps...but....his Idea might work better if your Using a $3000 interface with a $2000 LA2A comp.....so in the Box with a great vocal interface like Volt....trust my vocal chain sounds warmer, clearer and is cutting through my mix sharper and smoother than your suggestion above...no offense
I just went into my Vocal Closet Set up and shot your Idea against mine...I won....LOL ....the Black Rooster VLA 3A, API 560 EQ and Volt 476 UAD Interface for vocals...three must...if you want to compete with the $200,000 studios.....as far as vocals....
Thank you so much for sharing your time and Andrew's technique with us. Just so I understand correctly. You are sending the lead vocal to a buss where the plugins reside. Obviously, I am a little late to the party. Oh well, better late than never!
That's right - a copy of the vocal is sent to a buss or this processing.
wow, it's like reacting to magic happening on 3:50. Fantastic video, thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching!
I’ve always had so much trouble mixing vocals. Thanks so much for this tip
Happy to help!
Hi everybody, this is a good video and I appreciate every lesson online. What I’m looking for is to make a vocal chain using basic cubase stock plug ins. If any one has any tips on where to find a video lesson or maybe you know some tips yourself? I’d be happy to hear from you
That is actually more due to level increase when you bring up the parallel channel. The LA-2A does little to nothing given its parallel context. I would be more aggressive with the compression on the parallel so it also creates movement and depth. I would also not advise for a strict recipe because we all know Andrew doesn’t have a fixed gain structure, instead he always relies on his ears.
1:15 bandwidth on a pultec does not affect the low end & only controls the Q of the high frequency band
Side note: The song you’re demonstrating these techniques on is fantastic from the little I can hear. Cold chills. Who IS that?
Jay Clifford - "Paralyze"
@@GreenLightSound Thank you!
Aside from any effect of the processing, it sounds to me that the main reason the vocal is "cutting through" better is that the overall level has been brought up 2-3dB. I'd like to hear a demo where the level is fairly compensated so only the effect of the processing is heard. Listen again for yourself alternating between the two at 3:10 and 3:48.
Excellent point.
I get your point, but the added gain is inherent in the parallel processing. It's not the same as just turning up the main vocal channel 3dB since there's such an upper mid range emphasis in the parallel channel, and there's some saturation/added harmonics from the modeled analog gear.
Does this mean the main lead vocal is not getting any processing ? Only the parallel track is getting this technique?
The main vocal channel still gets its normal processing.
It's only am searched this kind of trick 💓after some years
Heck, just take some 3K medium Q separate channel slide it in - low pass everything below 1K. - I wonder if that would work?? Kind of like brining in some definition on a bass drum.
Very cool vocal treatment!
Real eye-opener for me, this definitely goes to my mixing toolbox. Many thanks.
You're welcome!
m using a
Waves NS1 Mono
API 560 Vocal Preset
R Dessor Dave P setting against Harshness
and Last in my Vocal Change....
I've got the VLA 3A by Black Rooster (Pretty Much the BEST) Vocal and Bass Guitar Plugin online....)
Going into my UAD 476 Volt with 48+ Phantom, 1176 Compressor and Vintage Effect in ...
Honest sounds like I'm singing into an analog Mixer with Gate and a UAD Textronic LA2A...all in the Box on the Computer
Once again....I do not claim to know more than Andrew Scheps...but....his Idea might work better if your Using a $3000 interface with a $2000 LA2A comp.....so in the Box with a great vocal interface like Volt....trust my vocal chain sounds warmer, clearer and is cutting through my mix sharper and smoother than your suggestion above...no offense
I just went into my Vocal Closet Set up and shot your Idea against mine...I won....LOL ....the Black Rooster VLA 3A, API 560 EQ and Volt 476 UAD Interface for vocals...three must...if you want to compete with the $200,000 studios.....as far as vocals....
Hey how are you, I was wondering if you could help me out, the thing is that I am a blind producer not completely and can’t follow along, I use logic, and of course ProTools I’m guessing he is using this on a bus regardless if he isn’t I’m wondering if he could create a logic channel strip for me with the settings that he’s done so I could have it ready to go in logic, if you don’t use logic I also ProTools do you think you could create a session with the plug-ins that he is using and just send it to me with the presets already in place and I’ll do the rest it will mean the world thanks
That's so helpful, way improved my vocal mixing output quality. Thank you so oooo much 👍👍👍
i tried this in the drum group too works perfect
great tip and I reallly like the tune. Very cool.
Anyone tried this with the Waves Pultec emulation ?
I have. Works great.
@@GreenLightSound The infamous 'Puigtec'. Tried it too, works as shown here. I wonder if this technique works well with other instruments with slightly different settings.
Are you doing this in the following order:
Pro EQ-
Compress-
Pro EQ
In order in studio One for the vocals?
Absolutely tremendous trick. Thank you so much!!!!!
Happy to help!
Looks good, I'm gonna try it!
Amazing stuff man !!!
Why not use the FAT Channel in Studio one? You have the LA2A and Pultec EQ as an Emulation in there
I'm not a fan of the Fat Channel LA-2A, plus I didn't want to make it Studio One specific.
amazing trick. thank you
Nice break-down! Actually kinda dig the sound of the stock plug-ins more.
When applying eqs in a parallell track, isnt the shift in phase causing phase cancellations?
Maybe this is a dumb question, but at ~4:00 mins, doesn't the vocal track become more present by virtue of the added volume of the vocal bus track? How do you know if the 'move' was successful because of top end compression, as opposed to simply added volume?
Not a dumb question at all. Parallel processing inherently adds gain, but this technique allows the top end EQ to cut through more. Try it both ways and you'll notice a difference.
Thanks for this, that's a great technique. Well explained.
Thank you for this, does anyone know if the original track has EQ on prior to sending it to the parallel processing? Or is it dry?
It has EQ.
@@GreenLightSound thanks man!
@GreenLightSound is it subtracted eq, add or both?
This was awesome! That dog gone Andrew Scheps is incredible and he loves simplicity and teaches it well.!
I'm pretty sure the bandwidth is controlling just high frequencies, at least on my UA Pultec. Am I getting that wrong?
Nice tip. Thanks for sharing
My question is doesnt it just result in a volume boost ? Wont it make the vocal clip instead ? We can alway make things cut through by boosting volume but it just wont be good in mastering .
The added clarity comes from the upper mid emphasis, not just the added gain from the parallel processing. It shouldn't make the vocal clip as long as you're gain staging everything. It has no effect on the mastering process as long as you're not running your mix too hot.
Hey, great video! So, you do this technique making a send channel?
Exactly
Would be interesting to hear how it sound if you just increase the volume of the original vocal with a few db.
Excellent. So is this through an fx track/send combo or a dupe vox processed, please?
It's a send
@@GreenLightSound Thanks 🧡
Is this pretty much what Waves' Greg Wells's Mix/Tone/Voice-Centric plugins do? (Maybe plus extra saturation?)
Not sure. It's been a while since I tried those.
very cool...great explanations!!
Just as an FYI, there's a Pultec emulator called Warmy by Kiive that's free. I used that with a compressor with sidechain filter that allowed top end filtering above 1k. I worked really well to pull clarity out of a vocal. Nice tip. Thank you!
Really appreciate this knowledge! Trying to use my Beta58 best I can.
Hello I am a blind producer and it’s a little bit difficult to follow you, with the first option is there anyway you could save the preset so that way I could import it into my plug-in? Or if you do work with logic can you save the chain and I can import it into logic? If I could hear back from you it would mean the world thank you
Thanks for the wonderful video, I wish I could follow along but I’m a blind producer and know a lot about parallel processing, I have all the plug-ins you mention the universal audio I have the legacy, and would love to see if you could send me a channel strip for logic so I can pull it up let me know if you can help me out it would be wonderful to try this at home thanks again
The bandwidth on a Pultec doesn’t affect the lower band. It’s part of the middle band, which is the boost only. The lower band has fixed bandwidth, which you can boost or attenuate (or both!).
Cool late 90s style song!
I think the stock set up sounded better. I have both set ups . I use Studio One with an Apollo. I dig Luna also but In my opinion my vocal texture sounds smoother right from the start in Studio One. I love the fact I can drop a mic pre in the unison slot with Console. I tweak the vocal presets in Console and get some killer vocal sounds using my AKG C214 or the Rhode NT -1. I don't find myself using the 7B much anymore. Unless I'm belting. Before I treated my room it was my go to mic. Great video I'm definitely implementing that on something. Thanks
Hey what’s up, I was wondering if you can help me out the thing is is that I am a visually impaired producer and can’t follow along in the video, I don’t know if you use logic or ProTools, but do you think you could save the preset in logic so I could import it, or if you could just create a session in ProTools with the plug-ins that he has with the proper settings and then I could do everything from there and just send me the session? It would mean a lot thank you so much hopefully you can help me out
What is that song?! Really nice.
Great video. Thank you!
Jay Clifford - "Paralyze"
Great explanation
Is this basically the same as a multiband compressor that only compresses above ~2k?
Not quite. This compresses the whole signal. The compression is just triggered from the high freq content. Plus you get the modeled tube sound of the comp and pultecs.
What a trick!, great video, thank you.
Great trick. Question, do these 3 plugins go on a mix buss? Or directly on thr vocal track
They go on a separate buss/aux channel that the vocal is sent to.
Wow the best trick I’ve ever learned since 12 years ago (even if I don’t lean on others tricks) !! Thank you that’s great.
So if I got it .. you send on a different bus on which you apply this process ?!
Right, these plugins are on a separate buss from the main vocal channel.
m using a
Waves NS1 Mono
API 560 Vocal Preset
R Dessor Dave P setting against Harshness
and Last in my Vocal Change....
I've got the VLA 3A by Black Rooster (Pretty Much the BEST) Vocal and Bass Guitar Plugin online....)
Going into my UAD 476 Volt with 48+ Phantom, 1176 Compressor and Vintage Effect in ...
Honest sounds like I'm singing into an analog Mixer with Gate and a UAD Textronic LA2A...all in the Box on the Computer
Once again....I do not claim to know more than Andrew Scheps...but....his Idea might work better if your Using a $3000 interface with a $2000 LA2A comp.....so in the Box with a great vocal interface like Volt....trust my vocal chain sounds warmer, clearer and is cutting through my mix sharper and smoother than your suggestion above...no offense
I just went into my Vocal Closet Set up and shot your Idea against mine...I won....LOL ....the Black Rooster VLA 3A, API 560 EQ and Volt 476 UAD Interface for vocals...three must...if you want to compete with the $200,000 studios.....as far as vocals....
Good explanation. A nice variation on NY.
This is so cool! Thanx for sharing!
i dont use Waves what else i can use . please
Lots of developers make a pultec and LA-2A style plugins. UAD, IK Multimedia, PSP, Softube and many others.
@@GreenLightSound thank you so much
for hip hop try running a cla 76 into a cla 2a ..the 76 only catching 1 reduction the 2a catching 2-3 reduction adjust the 2a for overall make up gain dont let the cla 76 signal leave too hot then parallel that main bus with a rcomp squashed to a 50 ratio 5,000 release 3.2 attack -34 threshold then blend that into the main signal and trust me youll notice a difference
Wait so do remake this one a new bus or main vocal buss ?
It's on a separate buss, a send from the main vocal channel.
This is so good !
How do you apply a parallel process system to outside of a computer
Depends on your interface/DAW. Usually you would just use line outs on your interface to get to the gear, and return on a line input.