I know of a National a guard Command Sergeant Major who was selected as Division Sergeant Major forward in Afghanistan for an active army combat arms division..... it may or may not have had anything to do with the fact that they had met at NTC and become hunting buddies about five years earlier.... I wish I had known a few of the tricks to get ahead when I first joined the Army, the two best tricks I Know now would have had me retired five years ago with a much higher rank than I have now.....
J.G. Hertzler was just outstanding as Martok. Never got enough of Martok and Worf together and the gregarious Martok to the quiet, reserved Worf were so perfect to play off each other. Sad the series came to an end before we got to see an episode with Martok and Worf Targ hunting together.
"and I am not a politician, but sometimes fate plays cruel tricks on us worf." is Martok saying 'If I have to be in this, so does the guy who gave me the coat.'
Finally putting a Klingon with a warrior's heart, not a politician's heart, as chancellor probably dragged the empire to golden days. Martok was truly one of the best his race ever produced
@@markozvekic2448 2 things wrong with that assumption. 1 - he was still wearing the old uniform when during way of the warrior. 2 - he was on the defiant during the beginning of First Contact.
Not really, in First Contact, they rescued him from the defiant when the Borg were blowing it up, Insurrection they cut away before he explained why he was hanging out but acknowledged twice that DS9 was his station and this was out of the ordinary. Nemesis he was tagging along with the Enterprise because he was a guest at Riker and Tori’s wedding, and there was supposed to be a second ceremony on Betazed
I use that line whenever I really need to put some fool in his place on the internet, lol. I had forgotten where in all of Star Trek I had gotten it from. Although I thought it was Worf...from somewhere.
Martok was so underrated a character in the ST universe. He was funny, ironic and had a quick wit to match his intellect. Plus he made Worf look like a stuck up stickybeat by comparison!
i dont recall any character being rated on this show ever. try again. your statement is fail and ive heard it 100,000,000x. F for comment f------- for orginality
The character of Worf benefited greatly by Denise Crosby leaving the show. It is very unlikely Worf would have been promoted to the main cast otherwise. Worf and Garak are my favorite characters in all of Star Trek.
Being an Ambassador to Martok's court had to be a fun gig. Martok could be all business but when it was time to throw down, he could throw down. What a wonderful job J. G. Hertzler did with the Martok character. To Hertzler, I salute you sir!
Worf's dedication to the Heart of Virtue, Duty, Honor, and Loyalty, made him in some ways the best character in the whole DS9 series. His adherence to those virtues is nearly perfect.
You make a great point @OldSlowGamer about Worf. While even Sisko was capable of deceit and treachery or accepting it as a means to an ends (In the Pale Moonlight) Worf was all but the exact opposite. Even to kill a senator to achieve a rationalized necessary ends for good, Worf would see the dishonor to himself and therefore would not take such a path. Worf to his greatness was far more Klingon than even most Klingons and that was his lesson to all of us. The best sci fi makes us look inwardly at ourselves just as the great myths of old were meant for.
This is one of the biggest differences between DS9 and pretty much every other ST series. Character arcs and development. Nobody ends up in the same place they started. Everyone grows, changes and develops and it's a shame that Voyager and Enterprise didn't do more of that. Discovery? Ehhhh...Jury's out.
Every other ST show had mostly static characters (with a few exceptions, like the Doctor and Seven of Nine for VOY) and ever-changing settings, fitting the "monster/planet/aliens of the wee" nature and the Statu-Quo reset of most of their episodes. DS9 had a static setting, so they'd have to deal with the same people over and over (cardassian meddling, border disputes, bajoran political & religious issues, conflicts over control of the wormhole, etc.) so they focused more on developing their characters 'cause even though the show was episodic, every episode had to incorporate whatever changes happened in the previous ones. They couldn't just make one episode where they go to war and then start the next as if nothing happened. Even if the next episode had nothing to do with the war, they had to acknowledge the war was going on. DS9 had the perfect balance between an episodic and serialized storytelling.
I'm going to agree with others. The Changeling Martok could've had a small packet of Klingon blood in a small pouch that he had hidden in his hand at the exact spot he cut, with the illusion of the scar made after the cut. Also, remember at the very end of the battle in "Way of The Warrior", Martok while standing next to Gowron wanted to keep fighting. Worf and Gowron saw the futility in fighting to the point of killing most everyone on their own force.
It's also worth mentioning (and kinda odd that it wasn't mentioned in the series) that a lot of Klingon rituals involve bloodletting. If a changeling didn't find some way around that, they couldn't blend in very well.
tscream80 Remember the Founders are a lot better at shapeshifting than Odo. they could easily let blood fall. also i believe it was on a DS9 ep.homefront or another one. that a changeling talk to Capt.Sisko & let him know that the blood screenings were useless,etc..
One way or the other, all mentions of blood screenings were pretty much dropped after "Apocalypse Rising" (everyone apparently realized they were utterly useless).
+Randall Banks Capt Sisko's father gave the best possible explanation ... the changeling kills someone, absorbs some of their blood, and releases it on queue.
+Jason Briski But just like he said, that a smart man can beat any test, so too can a smart investigator beat a smart man trying to beat a test. The concept of what they could do to evade detection by the blood test was made, now how can you defeat that? Take a snippet of their hair, wouldn't hurt a person at all, but it's still a part of them and so it would be a part of the changeling and would thusly turn liquid when cut.
Thanks for addendum. Here... allow me to bring us back to the promenade... "That's correct. And if I want to, I can even drink the liquid, reabsorb it, and produce new "coffee" in the cup. This way I can give the illusion that I'm sharing in the dining experience." - Odo "Very thoughtful." - Garak
They really should have kept Worf in the Ambassador role in Nemesis. Him just being there for no reason really negated this moment. It's like if they made a Star Trek 7 with the original cast, and Sulu was just there as if he was never captain of the Excelsior.
It's one thing to mimic someone's looks and voice. It's another to know the language, slang,, history and mannerisms of that person and not get caught.
That was kinda ignored in the series overall. These changelings had to learn their targets well enough to not be recognizable by their closest friends and family, and also get all security codes.
@@anlumo1 I think in the case of Changeling Bashir he wasn't a changeling for too long. The reveal created a massive mess in the chronology but I remember he was a changeling for a little over a month.
@@Diego-zz1df it doesn't mess with the chronology too much. The last given stardate before Inferno's Light is from For The Uniform, and according to greater nerds than I that's about a month between dates. Up to 4 weeks and 4 days, depending on the stardate calculator you use. Which fits the timeline.
Martok is soooo awesome, he lives to serve and is one of the truly Honorable Klingon warriors, probably the best equal to Warf (if not more so), I have no doubt he will be a great chancellor, respected and admired throughout the empire. Every Klingon Warrior in the empire can now look with pride to the council and its chancellor and truly serve with honour in their heart, for Martok is truly worthy of leadership, worthy of holding the lives of all warriors in his hands, because not only is he a phenomenal leader and commander, he truly cares for them all, more than he cares for himself and would gladly give his own life for any other Klingon. He is a true Klingon Warrior, a commander, a Klingon you can believe in and trust, an example to aspire too. LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE - Long live Chancellor Martok
"I am not a diplomat" says Worf.....no, but you are a Warrior, and perhaps a strategic thinker! A diplomat achieves through words hopefully that, which does not require the use of force! Being able to analyse the man across from you, try and gauge his strategy, how do you outwit him? It is a glorious challenge!! hahahahah :D
A Klingon High Council show would probably have more in common with The Sopranos than it would West Wing; the families killing each other over matters of honor, or just because they feel like it, really. Come to think of it, the cast of the Sopranos would have all made great Klingons.
if you believe STO to be cannon Alexander dies later when some P'taq of a traitor klingon stabs him instead of Worf becaus Alex blocked Torg from killing Worf.
Such personal and small and large stories.. It's why DS9 is simply the best there is. They made these characters real. Perhaps being a ST fan won't be soo bad after all xD
And having a loyal member of your House in court, who represents a powerful Federation is great advantage for Martok. He is becoming more a politician than a warrior. Worf made a good choice!!
and what's to keep the changeling from making a pocket within to hold a blood sample and let it out when needed. Odo showed that he could do it and Capt. Sisko's father gave voice to the theory.
Worf: I will *_not_* dance. Dax: Who’s asking? Sisko: Commander Worf, you’d better wear your best dancing shoes, ‘cause I’m showing you how to tango. That’s an order.
Semper Fi to the story! Worf met the authentic Martok In Purgatory's Shadow. I didn't recollect that before uploading this combo-cut I made, but I'll consider updating the video title. Thanks for the reminder bro.
Exactly. This is the point to reinforce. He had zero ability to rise up further in Starfleet other than continuing technical duties under someone else's purview. His failed mission to rescue the Cardassian operative was essentially career ending in terms of opportunities. It is great there was an outlet for him to reach into outside of Starfleet that could let him shine again.
Previously Alexander came from the future to influence his younger self, because he saw Worf killed on the Council chambers. Worf was the ambassador. Seems history is inevitable.....
Oh, well then Martock should keep Worf at arm's length. Worf helped the Duras family hide their past crimes and then killed Duras, helped Gowron ascend the throne and then killed Gowron. Now, he has Joined the House of Martock and helped Martock ascend the throne. 💡
Kurn is not easy to kill, even with the enormous odds against him. If you didn't see Kurn Die, there is always a chance he lives, and I agree that if he returned to the empire Chancellor Martok would certainly restore his place on the council, as a great warrior and as a brother.
If he had not abandoned his mission to save Jadzia, after which Sisko told him he'd likely never be offered a command, he likely would not have taken the job. He had gone as far as he was going to be able to go within Starfleet.
@@sivachandra34 Not canon and not possible with the massive black strike on his record. Starfleet will not allow it. Remember he was essentially given a deal to not be court martialed and locked away for life vs having this strike forbidding command the rest of his career.
Lt.Cmdr.Worf at the end of D.S.9 gets promoted to UFP Amb. to Qo'nos & later in the Star Trek:TNG movies he gets demoted back to Lt.Cmdr. & back as security Chief. that's a WTF!!! moment for a True Honorable Warrior & Starfleet Officer to be treated this way. that's a great dishonor for Worf & us fans. Amb.Worf in those last TNG Movies should have swept in on his own Starship to provide backup for his old Capt & crew of the Enterprise E.
Whitestar901 Anyways is still a dishonor to go back to Security Chief, when as a U.F.P Amb. he has the choosing of any ship in the fleet to be his flagship, I still consider it a promotion. just like on Babylon 5's 1st.season finale Cmdr.Sinclair gets call back to Earth & is promoted to Earth Alliance Amb. to Minbar at the request of the Minbari. P.S Ambassador is the Highest Ranking Diplomat (essentially is a Diplomatic Rank).
CmdrSloanne The fist two films with the new uniforms were during the dominion war. The last one was during the aftermath of the and possibly Worf went along with the enterprise crew as it would be his last chance to be on the enterprise as one of the crew.
They should have put the Worf as Ambassador in Star Trek: Nemesis. Have him as part of the Federation/Klingon delegation on route to Romulus, only to be attacked by the Romulans under Shinzon at some point and rescued by the crew of the Enterprise. Since he never officially resigned from Starfleet, he is recommissioned as a member of the crew. Or alternatively simply have him as a civilian on board the Enterprise E, since they were headed to the Betazoid Wedding Ceremony for Troi and Riker. You have him wear diplomat clothing (like at the finale of TNG: The Best of Both Worlds) and have him involved as a crew member "unofficially".
It's funny how Worf excepts the position, only to go 'back' to Federation service onboard the Enterprise E. I have to wonder how and why this came about, and whether his return to full active duty severed any connections he had built with the Klingon Empire and his adopted family established with Martok. This could (maybe) be explored on the new Picard series, if they add Worf to the series, as we see what came of his life after the events of Star Trek: Nemesis.
Except the coffee i odo's cup was always attached to him. Martoks blood went on the table and detached, which would have returned it to a liquid state.
either kept the blood or figured out a way around that, like a changeling within a changeling or something. After all, he was the one to prompt that test in the first place...
It would explain another reason why the Dominion kept the real Martok alive - regular access to his blood for the Changeling Martok's use in fooling blood screenings.
Worf's Former Mate K'Ehleyr the mother of Alexander Rozhenko was also The Federation Ambassador to The Klingon Imperial Empire during the tenure of Chancellor K'mpec in The TNG episode Reunion.
That evolution hadn't occurred at this juncture. Captain Sisko's dad explained how changling Martok evaded blood screenings in DS9's episode "Paradise Lost."
Those were contrived situations that had Worf on the Enterprise-E. First Contact was after Worf was rescued from the Defiant during the Battle of Sector 001. Insurrection was during Worf's leave from DS9 to go to the Enterprise to see his old friends. Nemesis was Worf attending the wedding of Riker and Troi, and staying on board the Enterprise enroute to Betazed for the traditional ceremony there. Nemesis was also the only of those movies which also had Wesley Crusher and Guinan make appearances. In all 3 appearances on the Enterprise-E, Worf was either a rescued officer or a visitor who was allowed on the bridge due to being a Starfleet Officer (and also having served under Picard on the Enterprise-D).
@@Diego-zz1df Generations, yes. TNG Season 6 coincided with DS9 Season 1, and TNG S7 with DS9 S2. Generations takes place sometime during DS9 S3 (as well as Voyager Season 1). First Contact takes place during Season 5 DS9. Insurrection is either during Season 6 or 7, (the So'na are Dominion allies and even supply the Jem'hadar with the White). Nemesis is the odd one out. It is set after Voyager Season 7 (hence Admiral Janeway) and it seems that Worf is no longer Federation Ambassador to Kronos. Nemesis was actually made during Season 1 of Enterprise, which is why there's a USS Archer.
And yet, somehow this gets either ignored, forgotten, or ret-conned, and NOW an older Worf is still with Starfleet, and Captain of the Enterprise-E. Honestly, I think it's cool he got the tap, even though I've heard in the novel it happens in, there wad significant opposition, bur I wouldn't mind knowing how he goes from Cmdr to Ambassador, and then back to Starfleet, gets Capt, and snags the Federation flagship, after Picard retires, in a huff.
We have already established that limbs can be replaced with synthetic and robotic substitutes. We have already had blind people who have visors and implants. Yet Martok remains blind? Did he willingly decline implants and organ transplantation?
Vulcan joke... Query... " What's the difference between Humans and Klingons? They both are passionate, violent, and smell bad! " Answer... " Humans win their wars. "
May I add something to the changeling Martok cutting himself. He did it with his only knife I remember a episode where Odo made a cup that had coffee in it that he can drink and refill anytime he wanted. So the fake Martok knife could work the same way.
But if the blood was part of him it would've returned to its natural state. I prefer Joseph Sisko's explanation better. "Maybe you ought to think about something for a minute. If I was a smart shape-shifter, a really good one, the first thing I would do would be to grab some poor soul off the street, absorb every ounce of his blood, and let it out on cue whenever someone like you tried to test me. Don't you see? There isn't a test that's been created a smart man can't find his way around. You aren't going to catch shape-shifters using some gadget."
I think more likely is the explanation from Sisko's father in season 4: Homefront on questioning blood tests. (roughly paraphrased): "If I was a changeling, I would find some poor person and take every drop of blood from his body"
"Maybe you ought to think about something for a minute. If I was a smart shape-shifter, a really good one, the first thing I would do would be to grab some poor soul off the street, absorb every ounce of his blood, and let it out on cue whenever someone like you tried to test me. Don't you see? There isn't a test that's been created a smart man can't find his way around. You aren't going to catch shape-shifters using some gadget."
Blood screenings only work if you do basic labotaroy tests on it. All the Klingons and Federation ever tried was the seperation test. The basic idea was not bad, but it failed to account for having a smart enemy*: Changeling goo that is seperated from the body does turn liquid and tries to rejoin the larger part. So the goo can not be used to simulate blood, if you seperate it from the body. But as Benjamins faher said so clearly: "I would just take some guy of the street, drain his blood and release it on command". *Wich incidentally is the same mistake people do with AGI safety ideas. They fail to understand that as a General intelligence, it iwill be at least as smart as a human to defeat it.
Every meaningful blood test ever shown fails. Martok-changeling cut his palm when he showed up, Bashir-changeling faked Eddington's test, and that one admiral (somehow) faked Sisko's test. I don't know why they kept using them.
Was Worf allowed to retain his commission during his role as Ambassador? He is wearing his uniform in Nemesis and in the novels he becomes XO of the Enterprise. And there was talk of a Captain Worf series. Unless he joined Starfleet and was given his rank back?
+DistantEarlyWarning 611 The Klingon's start a war that cripples Cardassia and damages Starfleet's ability to fight. The Cardassians become ripe picking for Gul Dukat, who forms an alliance with the Dominion. The Dominion nearly conquers the Alpha Quadrant. So, in the end, the Klingons almost got the entire Alpha Quadrant conquered by the Dominion due to their belligerence. (Yes, it's a TV show, but I'm making my point from the microcosm of the ST universe)
Martok has NO Honor not killing his captors or by committing suicide. His time as a Prisoner dishonors his race and his code. He shouldve been shunned by Klingons on his return!
@@bezzie9 VOY & ENT had many good episodes but they really didn't know how to develop the idea for those shows. Discovery is a mess thru and thru. To me, the three worst aspects of Discovery are that each episode is serialized, that they keep jumping from one universe/timeline to the next in a way that makes whatever they did before the jump completely irrelevant and the worst, cheapest forced plot device to substitute actual character development: The psychological trauma roulette. It's very annoying that every few episodes some character, randomly, will be crippled by some sudden trauma or whatever just for the sake of putting them our of commission and forcing the crew to deal with their issues. It feels like the people writing emotional episodes wanna talk about issues without ever understanding them or developing them. Say what you will about Ezri Dax, but her feelings of inadequacy felt way more real and well-written than anything in Discovery.
Everyone else is like "This is a great honor and an important position." while Martok just wanted his bro to go hunting with him
Martok is the best klingon in Star Trek. He's the pinnacle of Klingon culture and character.
I know of a National a guard Command Sergeant Major who was selected as Division Sergeant Major forward in Afghanistan for an active army combat arms division..... it may or may not have had anything to do with the fact that they had met at NTC and become hunting buddies about five years earlier.... I wish I had known a few of the tricks to get ahead when I first joined the Army, the two best tricks I Know now would have had me retired five years ago with a much higher rank than I have now.....
@@Rick_Sanchez_C137_ You can't just hint at two big tricks and not reveal them! :D
@@Rick_Sanchez_C137_ that’s. It just in the army, that’s a rule for life, you get ahead by who you know
Martak so simple but yet there so much meaning to his actions
J.G. Hertzler was just outstanding as Martok. Never got enough of Martok and Worf together and the gregarious Martok to the quiet, reserved Worf were so perfect to play off each other. Sad the series came to an end before we got to see an episode with Martok and Worf Targ hunting together.
Agreed, Hertzler is great
He made a good Deathstroke, too 🤘
"and I am not a politician, but sometimes fate plays cruel tricks on us worf." is Martok saying 'If I have to be in this, so does the guy who gave me the coat.'
Yep pretty much you got me in to this
I think that's the Klingon version of "Payback's a bitch."
"Perhaps being Chancellor won't be so bad after all!" Wonderful last line of a series, from an exemplary Klingon.
Finally putting a Klingon with a warrior's heart, not a politician's heart, as chancellor probably dragged the empire to golden days. Martok was truly one of the best his race ever produced
... and then the movies completely ignored Worf's new position to stick him back on the Enterprise.
I think they happen right before this point
@@markozvekic2448 2 things wrong with that assumption. 1 - he was still wearing the old uniform when during way of the warrior. 2 - he was on the defiant during the beginning of First Contact.
I see your point. They did kinda ignore his life on DS9. Small mentions.
Not really, in First Contact, they rescued him from the defiant when the Borg were blowing it up, Insurrection they cut away before he explained why he was hanging out but acknowledged twice that DS9 was his station and this was out of the ordinary. Nemesis he was tagging along with the Enterprise because he was a guest at Riker and Tori’s wedding, and there was supposed to be a second ceremony on Betazed
"You must think me a fool to make your lies so transparent" one of the awesome Worf lines.
I use that line whenever I really need to put some fool in his place on the internet, lol.
I had forgotten where in all of Star Trek I had gotten it from. Although I thought it was Worf...from somewhere.
"jIHvaD ghob'e' DaHar'a' qoH nep vaj HuvchoH chenmoH." is the best I could manage.
"Then I will try to make my lies more opaque"
@@tremedar that sounds like something Garak would say
@@buenapilapil5513 Not Garak, but another Cardassian, Aamin Marritza, a simple retired file clerk, who would later pretend he was Gul Darheel.
That acknowledgement of respect handshake between Sisko and Worf at the end of this scene is one of my favorite moments in all of DS9.
Martok was so underrated a character in the ST universe. He was funny, ironic and had a quick wit to match his intellect. Plus he made Worf look like a stuck up stickybeat by comparison!
He was a better dad for Alexander than Worf was, which is appropriate considering he has children.
In fairness Worf did have a stick up his ass.
i dont recall any character being rated on this show ever. try again. your statement is fail and ive heard it 100,000,000x. F for comment f------- for orginality
considering he unintentionally got his son killed and had to replace him, it’s just part of being a son!
"Perhaps being Chancellor won't be so bad after all!"
Hmm...
For Worf to go from Star Trek: The Next Generation to Deep Speed 9 is a promotion not once but several different times.
The most important one being a promotion in character development :P
@@Cool70sfreak yeah a lot o people prefer DS9 Worf to TNG Worf
The character of Worf benefited greatly by Denise Crosby leaving the show. It is very unlikely Worf would have been promoted to the main cast otherwise.
Worf and Garak are my favorite characters in all of Star Trek.
Martok is probably the only person who is like Worf likely imagined Klingons to be when growing up.
Being an Ambassador to Martok's court had to be a fun gig. Martok could be all business but when it was time to throw down, he could throw down. What a wonderful job J. G. Hertzler did with the Martok character. To Hertzler, I salute you sir!
matork is simply the greatest klingon across all star trek series
ryan tait Martok (Martoq?) Is the fucking Man!
He's the purest Klingon, everyone else is tainted.
I tend to agree with you, however there's a close second place: Kolos.
I still liked Gowron, but he had to go at the end. Martok was a fine replacement.
Except for Worf.
"perhaps being chancellor wont be so bad after all" possible one of the best lines and moments in star trek! Martok is great
Would have been great to see how that played out. A series just on worf as ambassador to qo'nos.
@@dont_give_a_flying_f I would have watched the hell out of that after deep space 9.
Worf has the nicest teeth amongst Klingons.
+ShadowOfLabel Because he bought that Ferengi tooth sharpener from Nog.
Advantage of Federation vs. Klingon Empire: Starfleet has a great dental plan...
Not by Klingon standards
There's no honor in being a Klingon dentist, unless a lot of blood and danger is involved.
Don't let Worf hear you say that, lol.
Worf's dedication to the Heart of Virtue, Duty, Honor, and Loyalty, made him in some ways the best character in the whole DS9 series. His adherence to those virtues is nearly perfect.
You make a great point @OldSlowGamer about Worf. While even Sisko was capable of deceit and treachery or accepting it as a means to an ends (In the Pale Moonlight) Worf was all but the exact opposite. Even to kill a senator to achieve a rationalized necessary ends for good, Worf would see the dishonor to himself and therefore would not take such a path. Worf to his greatness was far more Klingon than even most Klingons and that was his lesson to all of us. The best sci fi makes us look inwardly at ourselves just as the great myths of old were meant for.
Martok was by far and away the most Klingon on the entirety of Star Trek.
This is one of the biggest differences between DS9 and pretty much every other ST series. Character arcs and development. Nobody ends up in the same place they started. Everyone grows, changes and develops and it's a shame that Voyager and Enterprise didn't do more of that. Discovery? Ehhhh...Jury's out.
Every other ST show had mostly static characters (with a few exceptions, like the Doctor and Seven of Nine for VOY) and ever-changing settings, fitting the "monster/planet/aliens of the wee" nature and the Statu-Quo reset of most of their episodes. DS9 had a static setting, so they'd have to deal with the same people over and over (cardassian meddling, border disputes, bajoran political & religious issues, conflicts over control of the wormhole, etc.) so they focused more on developing their characters 'cause even though the show was episodic, every episode had to incorporate whatever changes happened in the previous ones. They couldn't just make one episode where they go to war and then start the next as if nothing happened. Even if the next episode had nothing to do with the war, they had to acknowledge the war was going on. DS9 had the perfect balance between an episodic and serialized storytelling.
Ezri looked at Worf just the same way Jadzia used to look at him. Nice one Nicole deBoer.
Martok is my all time favorite Klingon
Bloodstainer I watched the Klingon academy video on here, and general chang really is good.
Bloodstainer but Gowron is TRVE x)
yes I agree.
What!! You chose him over Worf!!!???
Kurn
I'm going to agree with others. The Changeling Martok could've had a small packet of Klingon blood in a small pouch that he had hidden in his hand at the exact spot he cut, with the illusion of the scar made after the cut.
Also, remember at the very end of the battle in "Way of The Warrior", Martok while standing next to Gowron wanted to keep fighting. Worf and Gowron saw the futility in fighting to the point of killing most everyone on their own force.
It's also worth mentioning (and kinda odd that it wasn't mentioned in the series) that a lot of Klingon rituals involve bloodletting. If a changeling didn't find some way around that, they couldn't blend in very well.
tscream80
Remember the Founders are a lot better at shapeshifting than Odo. they could easily let blood fall. also i believe it was on a DS9 ep.homefront or another one. that a changeling talk to Capt.Sisko & let him know that the blood screenings were useless,etc..
One way or the other, all mentions of blood screenings were pretty much dropped after "Apocalypse Rising" (everyone apparently realized they were utterly useless).
+Randall Banks Capt Sisko's father gave the best possible explanation ... the changeling kills someone, absorbs some of their blood, and releases it on queue.
+Jason Briski But just like he said, that a smart man can beat any test, so too can a smart investigator beat a smart man trying to beat a test. The concept of what they could do to evade detection by the blood test was made, now how can you defeat that? Take a snippet of their hair, wouldn't hurt a person at all, but it's still a part of them and so it would be a part of the changeling and would thusly turn liquid when cut.
Thanks for addendum. Here... allow me to bring us back to the promenade...
"That's correct. And if I want to, I can even drink the liquid, reabsorb it, and produce new "coffee" in the cup. This way I can give the illusion that I'm sharing in the dining experience." - Odo
"Very thoughtful." - Garak
They really should have kept Worf in the Ambassador role in Nemesis. Him just being there for no reason really negated this moment. It's like if they made a Star Trek 7 with the original cast, and Sulu was just there as if he was never captain of the Excelsior.
TNG had that issue with Riker as well, he should have gone after Picard returned to the Enterprise after Worf 359.
It's one thing to mimic someone's looks and voice. It's another to know the language, slang,, history and mannerisms of that person and not get caught.
When Martok first appeared it was the Changeling.
So changling Bashir had to learn to be a doctor for solids, that takes dedication.
That was kinda ignored in the series overall. These changelings had to learn their targets well enough to not be recognizable by their closest friends and family, and also get all security codes.
@@anlumo1 I think in the case of Changeling Bashir he wasn't a changeling for too long. The reveal created a massive mess in the chronology but I remember he was a changeling for a little over a month.
@@Diego-zz1df it doesn't mess with the chronology too much. The last given stardate before Inferno's Light is from For The Uniform, and according to greater nerds than I that's about a month between dates. Up to 4 weeks and 4 days, depending on the stardate calculator you use. Which fits the timeline.
Martok is soooo awesome, he lives to serve and is one of the truly Honorable Klingon warriors, probably the best equal to Warf (if not more so), I have no doubt he will be a great chancellor, respected and admired throughout the empire.
Every Klingon Warrior in the empire can now look with pride to the council and its chancellor and truly serve with honour in their heart, for Martok is truly worthy of leadership, worthy of holding the lives of all warriors in his hands, because not only is he a phenomenal leader and commander, he truly cares for them all, more than he cares for himself and would gladly give his own life for any other Klingon. He is a true Klingon Warrior, a commander, a Klingon you can believe in and trust, an example to aspire too.
LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE - Long live Chancellor Martok
untill that blasted Torq hid him away...
@@sheilaolfieway1885 and Martok killed that ha'Dibah.
And perhaps the 1st truly honorable chancellor since Gorkon & Azetbur many decades before!
Martok's half smile is both hillarious and far more intimidating than most Klingons scowls.
"I am not a diplomat" says Worf.....no, but you are a Warrior, and perhaps a strategic thinker! A diplomat achieves through words hopefully that, which does not require the use of force! Being able to analyse the man across from you, try and gauge his strategy, how do you outwit him? It is a glorious challenge!! hahahahah :D
I want to see a Star Trek series about the Council. Like Star Trek meets West Wing.
Your wishes might be granted soon, considering the new Picard show's premise.
@@AlexDeLarge1 Can we get Sorkin on board?
Westwing/Game of thrones
A Klingon High Council show would probably have more in common with The Sopranos than it would West Wing; the families killing each other over matters of honor, or just because they feel like it, really. Come to think of it, the cast of the Sopranos would have all made great Klingons.
And yet somehow he ends up being the tactical officer on Enterprise-E in Nemesis.
He was a guest at the wedding of riker and troi and was tagging along when the shinzon incident took place
Read the new TNG novels. Worf is the new Number One.
In my upload, the first clip is cut from season four premiere where it isn't the real Martok; the second clip is cut from the series finale.
Notice how his son is never seen or mentioned again.
if you believe STO to be cannon Alexander dies later when some P'taq of a traitor klingon stabs him instead of Worf becaus Alex blocked Torg from killing Worf.
@@sheilaolfieway1885 He was talking about Drex, Martok's son.
Talking about Drex
Wait, Ambassador is a very high title. That put Worf on par with what Sarek was, and what late-career Jean-Luc Picard was.
Such personal and small and large stories.. It's why DS9 is simply the best there is.
They made these characters real.
Perhaps being a ST fan won't be soo bad after all xD
And having a loyal member of your House in court, who represents a powerful Federation is great advantage for Martok. He is becoming more a politician than a warrior. Worf made a good choice!!
and what's to keep the changeling from making a pocket within to hold a blood sample and let it out when needed. Odo showed that he could do it and Capt. Sisko's father gave voice to the theory.
0:47 Oh crap. I just talked like Captain Picard. Martok...I've become Captain Picard!
It was pretty clear that Worf was next in line for the chair.
And at that time code, too
The idea of sending Worf as ambassador when he's literally in the Chancellor's House...
Worf: I will *_not_* dance.
Dax: Who’s asking?
Sisko: Commander Worf, you’d better wear your best dancing shoes, ‘cause I’m showing you how to tango. That’s an order.
whatches Klingons dance on Risa during STO Summer event... Worf you missed out.
Semper Fi to the story! Worf met the authentic Martok In Purgatory's Shadow. I didn't recollect that before uploading this combo-cut I made, but I'll consider updating the video title. Thanks for the reminder bro.
ezri is so damned cute
She sure is
Irritating character though. Her stupid facial expressions and terrible acting just made episodes revolving around her unbearable.
@@Arthezius I feel like its like the Anakin problem to where its not bad acting. Its actually precisely intended that way as a character.
And a fine character whom we didn't get to have long enough!
Good for Worf. He was never going to rise above Lt. Cmdr. with that poor performance rating on his record. In the end, he surpassed them all.
Exactly. This is the point to reinforce. He had zero ability to rise up further in Starfleet other than continuing technical duties under someone else's purview. His failed mission to rescue the Cardassian operative was essentially career ending in terms of opportunities. It is great there was an outlet for him to reach into outside of Starfleet that could let him shine again.
Sisko, Martin, and Ross looked like they were celebrating 🍾 the end of the Dominion War at Quark's Bar. 🍸
Previously Alexander came from the future to influence his younger self, because he saw Worf killed on the Council chambers. Worf was the ambassador. Seems history is inevitable.....
Oh, well then Martock should keep Worf at arm's length. Worf helped the Duras family hide their past crimes and then killed Duras, helped Gowron ascend the throne and then killed Gowron.
Now, he has Joined the House of Martock and helped Martock ascend the throne. 💡
i dont remember much of this but forgot how good the stories were picard tv show and discovery ...oh god cant even think about that
"I do not wish to quarrel with you Worf!"
"Then you better quit talking shit!"
Worf turns his back on Martok while speaking. That's a serious insult.
I miss Star Trek! Maybe they should do a series on Ambassador Worf!
Sometimes it is thrust upon you, so I’ve heard, hypothetically.
In Star Trek, dynamic characters are as rare as a black hole, and oh boy do we love dynamic characters in Star Trek!
Dat kiss doe, might need the doctor in a few hours.
"I am not a diplomat."
"And I am not a politician!"
Something might actually get done in this relationship.
A pity they couldn't track down Kurn and reverse what they had done to him. _This_ Chancellor would've restored his title and his seat on the Council.
I always scratch my head about that... poor Kurn.
Bashir implied that the change was permanent, and Kurn might still think himself dishonored and kill himself
Kurn is not easy to kill, even with the enormous odds against him. If you didn't see Kurn Die, there is always a chance he lives, and I agree that if he returned to the empire Chancellor Martok would certainly restore his place on the council, as a great warrior and as a brother.
In STO Kurn is restored,but I dunno about his council seat, then again Martok is presumed dead too so...
@@sheilaolfieway1885 in Star Trek Online, Martok was found alive.
Baby Dax is sooooooo cute!
all the Star Trek audiences plead, don't quarrel with Worf
If he had not abandoned his mission to save Jadzia, after which Sisko told him he'd likely never be offered a command, he likely would not have taken the job. He had gone as far as he was going to be able to go within Starfleet.
The post-Nemesis novels expand on his role a great deal. He resigns his ambassadorship and takes on Riker's role as First Officer under Picard.
@@sivachandra34 Not canon and not possible with the massive black strike on his record. Starfleet will not allow it. Remember he was essentially given a deal to not be court martialed and locked away for life vs having this strike forbidding command the rest of his career.
Martok missed an opportunity to use Worf's own words against him by saying " Some are born grate but others have Grateness thrust aponthem
Great*
Greatness*
@@yodaslovetoy i assumed it was a pun on Worfs time in the Dominion prison camp
Also "upon them" not "aponthem"
If I could get the respect of martok as a human would be kickass
Lt.Cmdr.Worf at the end of D.S.9 gets promoted to UFP Amb. to Qo'nos & later in the Star Trek:TNG movies he gets demoted back to Lt.Cmdr. & back as security Chief. that's a WTF!!! moment for a True Honorable Warrior & Starfleet Officer to be treated this way. that's a great dishonor for Worf & us fans. Amb.Worf in those last TNG Movies should have swept in on his own Starship to provide backup for his old Capt & crew of the Enterprise E.
He actually never lost his rank with Starfleet. Ambassador was a position, not a rank.
Whitestar901
Anyways is still a dishonor to go back to Security Chief, when as a U.F.P Amb. he has the choosing of any ship in the fleet to be his flagship, I still consider it a promotion. just like on Babylon 5's 1st.season finale Cmdr.Sinclair gets call back to Earth & is promoted to Earth Alliance Amb. to Minbar at the request of the Minbari. P.S Ambassador is the Highest Ranking Diplomat (essentially is a Diplomatic Rank).
CmdrSloanne The fist two films with the new uniforms were during the dominion war. The last one was during the aftermath of the and possibly Worf went along with the enterprise crew as it would be his last chance to be on the enterprise as one of the crew.
This is a very good point. It is kind of a step down but being the warrior he is I'm sure he was happy to be back commanding the Defiant.
They should have put the Worf as Ambassador in Star Trek: Nemesis. Have him as part of the Federation/Klingon delegation on route to Romulus, only to be attacked by the Romulans under Shinzon at some point and rescued by the crew of the Enterprise. Since he never officially resigned from Starfleet, he is recommissioned as a member of the crew.
Or alternatively simply have him as a civilian on board the Enterprise E, since they were headed to the Betazoid Wedding Ceremony for Troi and Riker. You have him wear diplomat clothing (like at the finale of TNG: The Best of Both Worlds) and have him involved as a crew member "unofficially".
It's funny how Worf excepts the position, only to go 'back' to Federation service onboard the Enterprise E. I have to wonder how and why this came about, and whether his return to full active duty severed any connections he had built with the Klingon Empire and his adopted family established with Martok. This could (maybe) be explored on the new Picard series, if they add Worf to the series, as we see what came of his life after the events of Star Trek: Nemesis.
learn to spell, you're making star trek fans look bad
"Accept" and "except" are 2 different words with 2 different meanings. Learn what they mean.
Except the coffee i odo's cup was always attached to him. Martoks blood went on the table and detached, which would have returned it to a liquid state.
theory runs around that he kept some of Martok's blood in that hand.
either kept the blood or figured out a way around that, like a changeling within a changeling or something.
After all, he was the one to prompt that test in the first place...
Unless the changeling had martoks blood in him SMH
It would explain another reason why the Dominion kept the real Martok alive - regular access to his blood for the Changeling Martok's use in fooling blood screenings.
Are we sure that that blood was Martok's? I thought Klingons had Pepto Bismol in their veins
Worf no, POTENT Riker no, Picard no
I liken Worf to a samurai and the rest of the Klingons to a biker gang.
I recently watched the Netflix series "Marco Polo", the Klingins are space Mongols and Kayless Genghis Khan.
Martok rules. That is all.
Worf's Former Mate K'Ehleyr the mother of Alexander Rozhenko was also The Federation Ambassador to The Klingon Imperial Empire during the tenure of Chancellor K'mpec in The TNG episode Reunion.
Martok was totally getting even by naming Worf an ambassador. 🤣
Star trek picard explains why that changeling had blood on his hand because he was already a evolve form of his species.
That evolution hadn't occurred at this juncture. Captain Sisko's dad explained how changling Martok evaded blood screenings in DS9's episode "Paradise Lost."
Changeling martok was ruthless
Everyone saying Worf is the ideal Klingon when he had a much more sheltered upbringing
Martok is the Real deal
Oh those poor Targs.
Then he went back to the Enterprise-E.
Those were contrived situations that had Worf on the Enterprise-E.
First Contact was after Worf was rescued from the Defiant during the Battle of Sector 001.
Insurrection was during Worf's leave from DS9 to go to the Enterprise to see his old friends.
Nemesis was Worf attending the wedding of Riker and Troi, and staying on board the Enterprise enroute to Betazed for the traditional ceremony there. Nemesis was also the only of those movies which also had Wesley Crusher and Guinan make appearances.
In all 3 appearances on the Enterprise-E, Worf was either a rescued officer or a visitor who was allowed on the bridge due to being a Starfleet Officer (and also having served under Picard on the Enterprise-D).
@@vaska00762 So all those movies happened within DS9's timeline and before the series' end?
@@Diego-zz1df Generations, yes. TNG Season 6 coincided with DS9 Season 1, and TNG S7 with DS9 S2. Generations takes place sometime during DS9 S3 (as well as Voyager Season 1).
First Contact takes place during Season 5 DS9. Insurrection is either during Season 6 or 7, (the So'na are Dominion allies and even supply the Jem'hadar with the White).
Nemesis is the odd one out. It is set after Voyager Season 7 (hence Admiral Janeway) and it seems that Worf is no longer Federation Ambassador to Kronos. Nemesis was actually made during Season 1 of Enterprise, which is why there's a USS Archer.
And yet, somehow this gets either ignored, forgotten, or ret-conned, and NOW an older Worf is still with Starfleet, and Captain of the Enterprise-E. Honestly, I think it's cool he got the tap, even though I've heard in the novel it happens in, there wad significant opposition, bur I wouldn't mind knowing how he goes from Cmdr to Ambassador, and then back to Starfleet, gets Capt, and snags the Federation flagship, after Picard retires, in a huff.
Man it's nice hearing Worf given good dialog. DS9 production crew would have made a better TNG.
We have already established that limbs can be replaced with synthetic and robotic substitutes. We have already had blind people who have visors and implants. Yet Martok remains blind? Did he willingly decline implants and organ transplantation?
When is it implied that Martok is blind?
@@FortoFight When you see that his left eye is missing and the socket full of scar tissue.
@@seanwebb605 Bashier offers Martok an ocular implant in season 5, but Martok refuses it.
Bashir offered him an artifical eye in Soldiers of the Empire he angrily replied "I do not want and artificial eye!"
" GREAT MEN DON'T SEEK POWER
POWER SEEKS GREAT MEN "
Vulcan joke...
Query...
" What's the difference between Humans and Klingons? They both are passionate, violent, and smell bad! "
Answer...
" Humans win their wars. "
Man it looks so weird seeing Martok with both eyes.
Word the Diplomat, that I would have loved to have seen.
May I add something to the changeling Martok cutting himself. He did it with his only knife I remember a episode where Odo made a cup that had coffee in it that he can drink and refill anytime he wanted. So the fake Martok knife could work the same way.
Chekhov's gun.
"This is a cool thing. Remember it. It will be relevant later in the story."
But if the blood was part of him it would've returned to its natural state.
I prefer Joseph Sisko's explanation better.
"Maybe you ought to think about something for a minute. If I was a smart shape-shifter, a really good one, the first thing I would do would be to grab some poor soul off the street, absorb every ounce of his blood, and let it out on cue whenever someone like you tried to test me. Don't you see? There isn't a test that's been created a smart man can't find his way around. You aren't going to catch shape-shifters using some gadget."
@@ValiantWrestling But it's possible to tell that blood has come from a dead person.
He never smiles
I think more likely is the explanation from Sisko's father in season 4: Homefront on questioning blood tests. (roughly paraphrased): "If I was a changeling, I would find some poor person and take every drop of blood from his body"
"Maybe you ought to think about something for a minute. If I was a smart shape-shifter, a really good one, the first thing I would do would be to grab some poor soul off the street, absorb every ounce of his blood, and let it out on cue whenever someone like you tried to test me. Don't you see? There isn't a test that's been created a smart man can't find his way around. You aren't going to catch shape-shifters using some gadget."
And then he returns right back to the Enterprise in the next movie
Blood screenings only work if you do basic labotaroy tests on it. All the Klingons and Federation ever tried was the seperation test.
The basic idea was not bad, but it failed to account for having a smart enemy*: Changeling goo that is seperated from the body does turn liquid and tries to rejoin the larger part. So the goo can not be used to simulate blood, if you seperate it from the body. But as Benjamins faher said so clearly: "I would just take some guy of the street, drain his blood and release it on command".
*Wich incidentally is the same mistake people do with AGI safety ideas. They fail to understand that as a General intelligence, it iwill be at least as smart as a human to defeat it.
Every meaningful blood test ever shown fails. Martok-changeling cut his palm when he showed up, Bashir-changeling faked Eddington's test, and that one admiral (somehow) faked Sisko's test. I don't know why they kept using them.
Was Worf allowed to retain his commission during his role as Ambassador? He is wearing his uniform in Nemesis and in the novels he becomes XO of the Enterprise. And there was talk of a Captain Worf series. Unless he joined Starfleet and was given his rank back?
still has it jsut as kira is technically still a COmmander
Nations rise and fall but lasting friendships matter.
AMPASSODOR? NO ONE IS BETTER FOR THESE JOB!!!
Sad Worf's brother got his memory erased now
Damn I miss good Star Trek.
That Trill girl is cute.
+JTN L 저스틴 Sh really is. Who is that?
Tiger74147 Ezri Dax.
The actress is *Nicole de Boer*. But you probably figured that out by now. She was also on *_Stargate Atlantis._*
Yosen B. Mamma She had a bit part on SGA though.
She was also in the tv series, The Dead Zone.
Hmmmm
Martok vs. Garrak
Battlefield....a Chess Match.
Martok just wanted a hunting buddy, lol
It is payback as well
Drex running to daddy to get back his dagger
Look at our world today. If you could give this up and change places with these Klingons, would you? I would , in a NY second!
+DistantEarlyWarning 611 The Klingon's start a war that cripples Cardassia and damages Starfleet's ability to fight. The Cardassians become ripe picking for Gul Dukat, who forms an alliance with the Dominion. The Dominion nearly conquers the Alpha Quadrant. So, in the end, the Klingons almost got the entire Alpha Quadrant conquered by the Dominion due to their belligerence. (Yes, it's a TV show, but I'm making my point from the microcosm of the ST universe)
Nemesis seemingly retconned Worf becoming an Ambassador.
Commander Worf Son of Mogh First Officer Sovereign Class Starship U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701E.
Martok is like Robert Baratheon
Martok has NO Honor not killing his captors or by committing suicide. His time as a Prisoner dishonors his race and his code. He shouldve been shunned by Klingons on his return!
Worf was the Klingons Captain America
I miss star trek
I agree. After DS9 it went down hill. Voyager was meh, enterprize was less. Discovery was Bad.
@@bezzie9 VOY & ENT had many good episodes but they really didn't know how to develop the idea for those shows. Discovery is a mess thru and thru. To me, the three worst aspects of Discovery are that each episode is serialized, that they keep jumping from one universe/timeline to the next in a way that makes whatever they did before the jump completely irrelevant and the worst, cheapest forced plot device to substitute actual character development: The psychological trauma roulette. It's very annoying that every few episodes some character, randomly, will be crippled by some sudden trauma or whatever just for the sake of putting them our of commission and forcing the crew to deal with their issues. It feels like the people writing emotional episodes wanna talk about issues without ever understanding them or developing them. Say what you will about Ezri Dax, but her feelings of inadequacy felt way more real and well-written than anything in Discovery.