So true! Its a shame that Avery Brooks will probably recognized for his outstanding portrayal of Captain Ben Sisko posthumously by a new generation of fans. 👏
Something really subtle here: Sisko is ready to just accompany Worf to the party without a lecture, but the moment Worf begins to show that he understands he was wrong, Sisko's entire demeanor changes. He knows that Worf has presented him with a perfect teaching moment, and he steps into that role fluidly. He quietly answers Worf as he steps inside, and waits for the door to close before asking his follow-up question. Seeing Worf disquieted and troubled by his own actions, Sisko knows in that moment that this is a perfect opportunity to shape him just a little bit more towards the Captain he could be one day. Just watch Avery Brooks at 56 seconds in. He transforms from Captain to mentor, and it's an incredible thing.
Yeah good analysis. It's funny cause good teachers/mentors do this thing all the time. And it often feels like worf would have been better off if he hadn't cared about it at all. But that is totally wrong as Sisko did not want to lecture worf about the errors he made. But on the contrary tell him that he is right with his assessment and should not sulk over it. As there is no one to forgive him for his errors but himself. Its funny how sometimes telling somebody else that they fucked up is more relieving than telling them everything is okay. Took me quite a while to figure out that the thing that sisko did here is not really teaching but showing ones respect for another human being. But just as and advise (does not work for TV though) Sisko could have been better imho if he would have asked worf in the end if worf knows why he was saying that, the response would have been something stupid, but than sisko would have the possibility to say: "No, it's because you sitting here makes you a damn good officer". He said the same thing but sometimes making the other person switch perspectives gives them more to think about themselves. Worf and Sisko are just damn good characters played by damn good actors. Really shows you that we can learn so much from great art.
When Sisko says "at ease commander" in response to Worf saying "yes, sir", it is to let Worf know that this conversation is not a formal reprimand nor a a threat and that he is not speaking to him as his Captain, but as his friend.
Not so much as a friend but as a mentor to a pupil. He wants Worf to understand this is friendly advice from an experience that could have turned out so much worse. He sees in Worf the potential to be a really good captain and imparts on him advice he feels will help with that.
It speaks volumes to Worf's character that just the POSSIBILITY of accidentally killing unarmed civilians and children weighs so heavily on his mind. "You got LUCKY." "I do not FEEL lucky." "And that's why, despite all that's happened, you're gonna make one Hell of a captain, some day."
Honorable Klingon warriors do not attack defenseless civilians. There is no honor in in defeating an enemy that cannot fight back. And Worf's human upbringing further reinforces that innocent non-combatants are to be protected.
This entire episode had some great character development for Worf, especially when you realize that in the TNG days, his reaction was always to suggest they charge into battle.
@@timf7413 That the difference between those 2 series. TNG was all about the single story episodes, while DS9 was more on character depth and a continous storyline (dominon war)
To quote Grand Admiral Thrawn. "I am a warrior. A warrior may retreat. He does not fee. He may lie in ambush. He does not hide. He may experience victory or defeat. He does not cease to serve." This feels like something Worf would stand by.
This and many other scenes, defines why I love Sisko. Even when he's reprimanding, even when he's royally pissed, he NEVER talks down to his crew. He always shows them the respect which he himself commands. He'll chew them out, tell it like it is, but then end on a note that says "this is how you do it." Another mark of a great leader. He makes you want to do better, even when those teaching moments don't always feel good.
He reprimands Worf later for leaving a Cardassian defector to his fate in order to get a severely wounded Jadzia Dax to safety. After he tells Worf exactly what the consequences were for his choice, Sisko drops the ranks and says "If it had been me and Jennifer... I would have done the same thing."
It's clear you've never served in a military capacity. Cuz, otherwise, this episode would bother you. Worf did nothing wrong. A cloaked vessel isn't suspicious, as it blunders and conveniently decloaks IN FRONT of another vessel?
@@Slitheringpeanut Starfleet isn't strictly a military organisation. It's both a navy as well as a civilian branch of the Federation, which was Sisko's point. Worf made a decision based on sound military tactics, but Starfleet doesn't risk civilian lives for any reason.
@@ffnbbq And Starfleet's got a bit of coast guard in the mix too. And since you've mentioned Worf's sound military tactics clashing with the Starfleet's more pacifist protocols- Sisko dealt with this more constructively way than Picard did: Instead of just shutting Worf down like the latter often did, Sisko actually explains to Worf when NOT to rely on sound military tactics, eg the events of this episode, while letting Worf's inner warrior shine when appropriate. And as great a mentor Picard has been to Riker & Data, Sisko has clearly been a more compatible mentor to Worf.
As much as Worf respects both Picard and Sisko, only Sisko could have schooled him like this. Why? Because Sisko intimidates Worf. And sometimes you need that to teach a lesson.
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Picard was handling a younger, different Worf. A Worf that hadn't embraced his human side as much yet. Worf under Sisko had learned he could still have his Klingon honor without having to be the most overly Klingon ever. Younger Worf held a chip on his shoulder because he was a "half breed" and resented himself.
Picard: "You want to destroy the ship and run away. You coward." Worf: "If you were any other man, I would KILL you where you stand!" Sisko: "What was that, Mr Worf?" Worf: "Nothing sir"
when Sisko said "in spite what has happened, you are going to make one hell of a captian some day" that should be used as a promo if this new 'captain worf' star trek show goes ahead.
@@PetersaberHD Normally I'd headcanon that episode out of existence, but at the same time it so aptly explains why Janeway became an admiral before Picard, in that his role in Insurrection ended up leaving him stuck with a frozen career for reasons swept under the rug.
"Wait until you get four pips" No kidding when we think of the responsibilities placed on Captains in Star Trek. Sisko is basically the Governor of the whole border with Cardassia and more besides.
The presence of the only stable wormhole in the known galaxy changed the ENTIRE complexion of Benjamin's assignment to DS9. the presence of the Prophets, and them revealing to him that he was their Emissary, changed his relationship with Bajor. the arrival of the Dominion and Jem'Hadar made him gatekeeper for the biggest powder keg in two quadrants. Benjamin Lafayette Sisko was a badazz on multiple fronts.
I like this because we see Sisko the teacher, something he didn't do enough of in my opinion. We saw him do it with Worf, Nog and to a lesser extent Bashir and Dax and it was always great when he did it.
@@austinperry1671 Jadzia too. When she let a little too much Curzon out, Sisko was there to pull on the breaks. See when Worf’s brother tried to commit suicide.
This scene really defined how DS9 evolved Worf into an arguably far more interesting character than he ever got to be on TNG imo. There were many great moments like that to come but this kind of established the trend for me. Worf's weakness as a character on TNG was his difficulty seeing things from a broader perspective required of a commanding officer, and it always seemed to be a wall he was never able to overcome on the Enterprise; but then this happened on DS9, and yeah he's lucky he has no "dead children" on his conscience but the fact Worf realizes that, and how lucky he truly is in many ways represents him finally breaking that wall; making way for a far more nuanced and experienced Worf. I could never see Worf as a commanding officer on TNG, but on DS9 I could see at least see the hypothetical commanding officer he has the potential to become now.
TNG Worf was a senior officer but in security, which limits your view to threats now and in the very near future. TNG Worf had a good tactical sense, but didn’t understand strategy, like losing a battle to win a war. Though Kira is Sisko’s first officer, DS9 Worf is effectively the federation first officer on the station. Getting thrown into the constantly fluid geopolitics of the region really started reshaping his view of the world he lives in.
That is why war is hell. If you had to see families and children get annihilated. If you had to see families and children you KNEW get annihilated. So many things can eat you up even if you achieve victory it's no victory for your soul.
Agreed. After all, this is Sisko we're talking about. He's a man who does not suffer fools. To prove his point, he punched Q in the mouth, knocking him on his ass.
This is a great scene! Throughout the course of the series, we saw Sisko wearing a lot of the "captain as" hats: As leader, as strategist, as voice of reason, as passionate warrior. One of the hats we rarely saw was Sisko as mentor. That makes this scene so much more appreciable .
This is one of the reasons I'm glad TNG and DS9 were a part of my youth. They modeled characters who admit and learn from their mistakes. Now *that* is a role model.
Worf DID have it coming ... the ONLY reason that Worf wasn't extradited was bcuz of what Odo discovered about that civilian ship's passenger "manifest". it was a setup that Worf failed spectacularly.
and the truth is ..... NOBODY ELSE was on the Defiant when Sisko came to Worf. it truly WAS a professional courtesy for him to do so FULLY INSIDE his quarters.
@@dhinton1 no this is bad writing pure and simple. He is in a combat situation with ships that can and do cloak during it. and cloaking leaves them vunerable for a few seconds in the process. Worf made the right call to defend his ship and the convoy he was protecting.
@@Revkor Do me a favour: look up the story of the USS Vincennes and Iran Air 655. An American cruiser fired on and shot down a civilian airliner in 1988 because they were "defending themselves", panicked and failed to properly identify their target. That was probably the inspiration for this episode. It's happened several times. The Soviets did it, the Russian-backed Ukrainian separatists did it, the Iranians did it, and as I said, the Americans did it. In each case, they were "defending themselves". In each case, hundreds of people died. When you're using lethal force near civilians, especially on that scale, you don't make assumptions. You verify. If you think that Worf was justified here, just imagine being in his shoes. Imagine visiting each family who lost a father, a wife, a son, a sister and trying to justify your actions.
I love how at this point in the show, there isn't a single doubt in Sisko's mind that Worf is going to make Captain. It wasn't until much later when Worf abandons the mission to save Jadzia that we learn his chances at Captaincy are all but gone. Still though, in this clip Sisko is 100% convinced that he's speaking to a future Captain of the Federation.
"But Sir, I was just going to put on some klingon opera and cry myself to sleep" "Go put on a blue uniform and be a bitch then. You can help Keiko collect space trees tomorrow."
I always likes Sisco, he leads by example and teaches with tough love. You can see the respect he has for everyone (Worf in this case), but he knows sugar coating things doesn't make it easier
When two great actors get great material, they can elevate it to the sublime. In a scene of less than 4 minutes, we find new depth in characters we thought we knew. Bravo to them both!
I Always Felt That Sisko, And The Rest Of Deep Space Nine, Treated Worf With Integrity. Picard's Engagement Towards The Klingon.. Wasn't Of The Same Caliber: Comic Relief, Dismissive, And Rare Moments Of Honor. Deanna Tori Appeared To Be The Sole Crewmen... Who Matches The Level Of DS9 Respect, Rightfully Bestowed To The Son Of Mogh.
There's validity to your point of view. When Lt.Cmdr. Worf first came on on board the Enterprise E, Cmdr. Riker mad a like quip to Worf questioning he still remembers how to fire phasers. Yeah, Cmdr. Riker is a jovial man, but still.
While Patrick Stewart is an excellent actor and did a fine job on TNG, Avery Brooks was one of the best actors in Star Trek, and was the most interesting captain of them all. Colm Meany as Chief O’Brien did a fabulous job and I really liked how they expanded his role in DS9.
Well, he was a bit overdramatic at times, but considering the royal flaming crap he had to deal with compared to pretty much everyone except Janeway and he still got through, he was definitely a good captain.
Actually Michael Dorn really want bring back Worf as main character in Star trek: Captain Worf TV show, it was intended after Enterprise TV show, however CBS did not want any Star trek show during that time, shame.
bigmeknurgle I have no idea where you got that analogy ! But definitely way off lol .There about 3-4 great points that Sisko makes about being a leader . One of them is that they don’t put civilians at risk and sometimes it means they die in their defence .
You just took the words right out of my mouth after I rewatched this scene. Especially conserning the police right now, like Sisko said "we don't put civillians at risk or even potentially at risk to save ourselves, sometimes that means losing the mission or even our lives, but if you can't make that choice, then you can't wear that uniform"
We should just abolish the police (and prison) and abolish the standing military and switch to a purely reserve military. However, I agree that so long as we have military, the rule should be "we do not put civilians in danger or even potentially in danger, and sometimes that means we lose the battle or even our lives." This is the kind of job where you agree that your life is forfeit if need be, and if one cannot accept that kind of risk then this is not the right job for them. P.S. I most assuredly would not fight for any military for any country.
The Dynamic between them is something I always loved. With Picard the relationship felt more like a Master-Apprentice...even Father-Son at times. With Sisko, there was always a sense camaraderie...almost brother-like....at the very leas brothers-in-arms.
+N D Indeed. Not just in a military environment like Starfleet, but in the real world if you are a manager or a supervisor. The lessons Sisko shared with Worf can also relate to those who are in positions of command in the real world.
_Several_ great lessons here. 1. Don't shoot at targets without a proper evaluation of their potential threat. Applications: military, police, home defense. 2. A good boss uses failures as an opportunity to teach and berates, but no more than necessary. Sisko uses a variant the positivity sandwich model: (a) there's a party, (b) you done f-ed up, (c) come to the party and celebrate. Applications: management, command, education. 3. A good leader knows how to provide the troops with what they need, even if that's not xer mood at the moment. Applications: any leadership role whatsoever.
I kind of remember a line by Ezri Dax in the last season. She was having trouble dealing with Worf and Sisko offered to talk to him. "No don't say anything. you intimidate him." (it was something like that) Worf respected Picard but Sisko scared him at times. Sisko using bio weapons on a Maquis world comes to mind as a moment when Worf was taken a back. Caption Sisko, The last human to have a pair of brass balls in Star Trek.
Benjamin using those weapons on those Maquis-populated planets WITHOUT consulting with Starfleet SOLELY for the purpose of getting Michael to surrender ........ the Defiant isn't big enough for the set he had to do that. and let's not even speak of what he (essentially) allowed Garak to do to bring the Romulans off the nonaggression pact in S6.
Me: Captain Worf, who was the Starfleet officer that had the most impact on you? Worf: Captain Sisko. Me: What about Captian Picard? Worf: Who? Oh, yeah. Him too.
I love that Sisko makes a distinction between Starfleet decision-making and Military decision-making, that's the distinction that had Brad Boimler beating up outpost scientists years later.
It's a luxury that you can have when you are fictional characters living in a fantasy universe. Those of us in the real world have to abide by the reasonable reality since the beginning of humanity: collateral damage happens even when you don't target civilians and take great measure to prevent it.
@@Prodigysportsman The whole point is that you take great measures to prevent it. In this episode, and indeed in several real life instances where civilian airliners have been shot down (including one by a US Navy cruiser), great measures were not taken to prevent it.
True....but Sisko was one of the few Starfleet Officers that could go toe to toe in hand to hand combat with a Klingon. The only other guy that would be confident in hand to hand combat against a Klingon would be Will Riker.
@Yuki BabaYaga If he couldn't handle himself against a Klingon.....then the Klingon he beat via the alleged sucker punch would not have respected him and taken his orders. The guy challenged his authority. Riker recognized the challenge and got the first blow in. If you are in a situation where a fight is about to break out....you don't fight fair......you don't say to the other guy..."I say old chap....we're going to fight using the Marquis of Queensbury and will tell you when I am going to attack so that you'll be ready". Paleese.
I do hope a 4K Box set comes out the the entire DS9 Series. Moments like this need to be preserved in posterity for their incredible moment to moment interactions that defined a generation of Trekkies. Moments that still send chills down my spine for being so memorable and amazing.
When Sisko walks through the door, it shuts behind him, and then he says, "That was your first mistake." That wasn't meant to be intimidating, but if that had happened to me in real life, I would have shat my pants.
Reminds me of the Jem'Hadar who first beamed over to DS9. O'Brien an ordered a containment field around him but at the right moment the Jem'Hadar walked thru the field to prove a point.
Sure, botany has it's challenges. But in botany, lives aren't at stake. And compared to a captaincy, botany is tame. With botany, all you have to worry about is plants. When you're a captain, you have to worry about your crew, be responsible for everything they do, make decisions that are sometimes impossible and then live with the consequences of those decisions. And command is lonely. You can't be one of the men. You always have to hold yourself up as an example. And you cannot (if you expect loyalty and respect) ask others to do what you will not do yourself.
I guess we have differing senses of humor. I understand what he is saying, but I don't find it amusing. I find it degrading to those who have taken the command track and chosen to accept the challenges and responsibilities of leadership.
Tommy Gunns Absent emoticons, there is no way to detect sarcasm. Without an appropriate emoicon, there is no way to tell if the person is being serious or facetious.
The character Worf was a true and honourable warrior. He understood the difference between pride and honour. Honour will forfeit pride when the right thing must be done.
I think that a great thing about this show is that it still, over twenty years later, sparks such interesting conversation about the morality of the decisions. Like, it isn't a matter of "were the actions not in Sisko's character," of course they were, both his speach here and his later actions are quite in character for him, this serious, deliberate captain. But we can still engage with what it all means, what was the moral choice in this situation. Even today, in our oversaturated grimdark, cynical media landscape, we don't really get these kinds of nuanced moral situations presented, because it is either just, resolved that it was actually all fine and not immoral the whole time (what the MCU likes to do) or it's just like the end Game of Thrones, which tries to be edgy and shocking for its own sake, damn any actual thematic discussion.
Sisko is the man, helps worf recognize his error and why, but not letting him forget his future role in time. Being balance he must attend the event regardless of his personal feelings with a smile for the crew! Excellent motivator skills!
"... you're gonna make a hell of a captain someday." "... Wait til you get four pips on that collar." Sisko recognizes Worf's potential. Possibly because Worf is so troubled by his own errors.
Sisko fosters Worf (and much of his crew) in a way that Picard and Kirk simply don't--possibly because that's less a consideration on a starship at the far edge of the galaxy. Sisko's belief that Worf could be a stellar captain in his own right is inspiring, and quite possibly the first such belief that Worf has encountered from either Klingons or the Federation (though Picard did temporarily give him command of the Enterprise).
In Star Trek: The Next Generation Worf was a Lt. Commander. Now that he is in Deep Space 9, although he is a Commander, he realizes that wearing the red uniform carries responsabilities that must be shown. Mar 16, 2020 @ 9:18 pm.
Worf was promoted to Lieutenant Commander in the movie Star Trek Generations. He remained that ranked until the end of DS9 when he was made Federation Ambassador to the Klingon Empire.
My favourite pep talk ending with the hash slap "wait till you get four pips on that collar, you'll have wished you'd have gone into botany' if words could be made into a slap in the face then that quip would be it.
My uncle is a veteran of the war in Vietnam. He survived an air drop, they promoted him and, sent him right back out again. The man loves everything Star Trek but, to this day, he simply cannot bear to watch Deep Space Nine with me. I think that says something although, I'm not really sure what.
I think it's because Ds9 is realistic and depicts the brutality, destruction, and hard choices in war and probably reminds him of Vietnam, also it's probably why he likes the other shows because it depicts a brighter future. Just a thought. :)
For those that have seen the deleted scenes on Star Trek Picard season 3...there is a scene between Worf and Riker that well brings this particular scene back to mind.
@@Mark73 yeah I've caught a couple of episodes. I've watched the season finale a couple if times comparing to source material. While having moments they are few.
@@patrickradcliffe3837 so you’re saying you are talking out of your ass as you haven’t actually watched it and were just looking for excuses to say “it sucks”
best part of the scene is getting worf to understand that even though they are not Klingon starfleet has just as much pride in what they are. Worf chooses to wear that uniform and it has weight just like being a Warrior has weight to a Klingon. What I alway liked about worf's character is how much he respects starfleet and being a klingon and merges those two parts of his life.
such a great scene. getting to see the connection and interaction amongst high ranking officers who understand the complexities and responsibilities that command requires
Not only was Worf wrestling with the human morals he was raised with, but his Klingon honor as well; both things state that killing unarmed civilians is reprehensible and a grave dishonor that could taint one's name for the rest of their lives.
3 Minutes and 11 Seconds of pure character development and dialogue. Who wants to bet whether star trek discovery series is gonna bother with more than ten seconds of that in any given episode?
Such an under rated actor, a shame he never came back on TV to ply his trade in a meaty role but treading the boards and teaching have been his thing by all accounts.
For what it worth. Starfleet never fires first or at least that’s Starfleet’s 1st rule of engagement. Worf knew that. So with that, his strong sense of honor and his heavy guilt...any other man would have committed suicide or at least quit Starfleet with all that weighing on him. Shows Worf’s strength of character.
I could see Worf saving the galaxy in a flying tree on that sack of dogshit. Maybe with a former XO who calls him WR that's addicted to space-fentanyl or something.
Being a service member I can understand the full context of this scene. Captain Sisco was educating Commander Worf on the Burden of Command. When you rise in the ranks your career are your men and women and their well being. You will succeed because they succeed, and you will suffer the consequences when they get killed in the line of duty. You will also have to live with both their success and their tragedy.
I strongly believe that Avery Brooks is one of the most underrated actors I have ever seen. His portrayal of Ben Sisko was incredible.
So true! Its a shame that Avery Brooks will probably recognized for his outstanding portrayal of Captain Ben Sisko posthumously by a new generation of fans. 👏
I strongly agree
Strongly agree.
I weakly disagree.
He definitely took it seriously which was why it was such a great show
Something really subtle here: Sisko is ready to just accompany Worf to the party without a lecture, but the moment Worf begins to show that he understands he was wrong, Sisko's entire demeanor changes. He knows that Worf has presented him with a perfect teaching moment, and he steps into that role fluidly. He quietly answers Worf as he steps inside, and waits for the door to close before asking his follow-up question. Seeing Worf disquieted and troubled by his own actions, Sisko knows in that moment that this is a perfect opportunity to shape him just a little bit more towards the Captain he could be one day. Just watch Avery Brooks at 56 seconds in. He transforms from Captain to mentor, and it's an incredible thing.
Are you suggesting.... that STD/STP doesn't have such good writing? I LOVE SCIENCE.
Great analysis.
Yeah good analysis. It's funny cause good teachers/mentors do this thing all the time. And it often feels like worf would have been better off if he hadn't cared about it at all.
But that is totally wrong as Sisko did not want to lecture worf about the errors he made. But on the contrary tell him that he is right with his assessment and should not sulk over it. As there is no one to forgive him for his errors but himself.
Its funny how sometimes telling somebody else that they fucked up is more relieving than telling them everything is okay.
Took me quite a while to figure out that the thing that sisko did here is not really teaching but showing ones respect for another human being. But just as and advise (does not work for TV though) Sisko could have been better imho if he would have asked worf in the end if worf knows why he was saying that, the response would have been something stupid, but than sisko would have the possibility to say: "No, it's because you sitting here makes you a damn good officer". He said the same thing but sometimes making the other person switch perspectives gives them more to think about themselves.
Worf and Sisko are just damn good characters played by damn good actors. Really shows you that we can learn so much from great art.
The moment Sisko steps through the doorway is the exact moment Ezri means when she tells Sisko he intimidates Worf.
You can almost see the gulp.
Jesus man go outside.
When Sisko says "at ease commander" in response to Worf saying "yes, sir", it is to let Worf know that this conversation is not a formal reprimand nor a a threat and that he is not speaking to him as his Captain, but as his friend.
Exactly
Not so much as a friend but as a mentor to a pupil. He wants Worf to understand this is friendly advice from an experience that could have turned out so much worse. He sees in Worf the potential to be a really good captain and imparts on him advice he feels will help with that.
@@jcohasset23 Perfectly stated. 💯
His big brother. I’ve gotten that reprimanding prep talk before with mine.
I wish I had the voice of Avery Brooks. That voice is a large part of what made Sisko great.
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He’s got a voice that makes Klingons wake in fear
I'd sell my soul for a voice like that.
Michael Dorn, too, as well as J. G. Hertzler, who played Martog.
It's a big as DS9 itself!
It speaks volumes to Worf's character that just the POSSIBILITY of accidentally killing unarmed civilians and children weighs so heavily on his mind.
"You got LUCKY."
"I do not FEEL lucky."
"And that's why, despite all that's happened, you're gonna make one Hell of a captain, some day."
Honorable Klingon warriors do not attack defenseless civilians. There is no honor in in defeating an enemy that cannot fight back. And Worf's human upbringing further reinforces that innocent non-combatants are to be protected.
This entire episode had some great character development for Worf, especially when you realize that in the TNG days, his reaction was always to suggest they charge into battle.
@@timf7413 That the difference between those 2 series. TNG was all about the single story episodes, while DS9 was more on character depth and a continous storyline (dominon war)
Worf is a war orphan. I'm sure the possibility struck close to home.
Victor Kong A Worfan, if you will.
I’ll see myself out.
To quote Grand Admiral Thrawn.
"I am a warrior.
A warrior may retreat. He does not fee.
He may lie in ambush. He does not hide.
He may experience victory or defeat.
He does not cease to serve."
This feels like something Worf would stand by.
And he said it so artistically!
When this show was good, it was really REALLY good.
@Yuki BabaYaga I'm watching it now, and I must say the writing and dialogue is just so good!
amen and amen.
This and many other scenes, defines why I love Sisko. Even when he's reprimanding, even when he's royally pissed, he NEVER talks down to his crew. He always shows them the respect which he himself commands. He'll chew them out, tell it like it is, but then end on a note that says "this is how you do it." Another mark of a great leader. He makes you want to do better, even when those teaching moments don't always feel good.
He reprimands Worf later for leaving a Cardassian defector to his fate in order to get a severely wounded Jadzia Dax to safety. After he tells Worf exactly what the consequences were for his choice, Sisko drops the ranks and says "If it had been me and Jennifer... I would have done the same thing."
@@SamaritanPrime and Benjamin was absolutely right, on all accounts.
It's clear you've never served in a military capacity. Cuz, otherwise, this episode would bother you. Worf did nothing wrong. A cloaked vessel isn't suspicious, as it blunders and conveniently decloaks IN FRONT of another vessel?
@@Slitheringpeanut Starfleet isn't strictly a military organisation. It's both a navy as well as a civilian branch of the Federation, which was Sisko's point. Worf made a decision based on sound military tactics, but Starfleet doesn't risk civilian lives for any reason.
@@ffnbbq And Starfleet's got a bit of coast guard in the mix too. And since you've mentioned Worf's sound military tactics clashing with the Starfleet's more pacifist protocols- Sisko dealt with this more constructively way than Picard did: Instead of just shutting Worf down like the latter often did, Sisko actually explains to Worf when NOT to rely on sound military tactics, eg the events of this episode, while letting Worf's inner warrior shine when appropriate. And as great a mentor Picard has been to Riker & Data, Sisko has clearly been a more compatible mentor to Worf.
This is why Sisko is badass. Giving Worf (another badass) the advice he needs :)
As much as Worf respects both Picard and Sisko, only Sisko could have schooled him like this. Why? Because Sisko intimidates Worf. And sometimes you need that to teach a lesson.
"Wait till you get 4 pips on that colar! you'd wish you'd gone into bottany" Every clip is like poetry. 🙂
Collar and botany. Seek a spell checker.
Seriously? Are you like that with everyone on UA-cam? Tell me please...
Between an idiot and a mere pure pain in the you-know-what, which one are you?
Here comes my first answer to you...
First of all, I don't get paid for posting comments on social media; so it's not such a big deal to miss an "L" in my spelling.
Second, for all that it's worth, I could have been drunk when I posted that. And ummm... it's such a big mistake huh? You've never made a spelling mistake in your life I guess?
To prove to you that I can spell, I made sure that I post this long comment with exactly 0,000,000 mistake, so that you get it clearly in your narrow mind that I indeed can spell, and that my grammar is excellent.
And now, to top it up, I am pleased to inform you that, among other things I wouldn't care to mention here, I am a Microsoft Azure Solutions Architect Expert, and a harvard graduate from the School of Computer Engineering & Applied Science.
Read that over, and over, and over, until you are met with the humiliation you deserve, in your safe corner. @@LordTalax
Picard could handle Worf ok, but Sisko handled him like a boss.
Because he's not Picard.
Picard was more of a idealistic father figure to his crew.
Each captain runs his/her ship as he/she sees fit.
Mar 17, 2020 @ 12:53 am.
Picard was handling a younger, different Worf. A Worf that hadn't embraced his human side as much yet. Worf under Sisko had learned he could still have his Klingon honor without having to be the most overly Klingon ever. Younger Worf held a chip on his shoulder because he was a "half breed" and resented himself.
Picard: "You want to destroy the ship and run away. You coward."
Worf: "If you were any other man, I would KILL you where you stand!"
Sisko: "What was that, Mr Worf?"
Worf: "Nothing sir"
when Sisko said "in spite what has happened, you are going to make one hell of a captian some day" that should be used as a promo if this new 'captain worf' star trek show goes ahead.
And later he squandered his chance to ever become a captain
@@PetersaberHD Normally I'd headcanon that episode out of existence, but at the same time it so aptly explains why Janeway became an admiral before Picard, in that his role in Insurrection ended up leaving him stuck with a frozen career for reasons swept under the rug.
@@Jokie155 I thought Picard refused the promotion to admiral?
@@PetersaberHD He did. Because he took Kirk's advice to never leave the Enterprise.
@@GameFawx He knew that all Starfleet Admirals become villains
Worf learned more from Sisko than he did from Picard.
"Wait until you get four pips"
No kidding when we think of the responsibilities placed on Captains in Star Trek. Sisko is basically the Governor of the whole border with Cardassia and more besides.
and the gamma quadrant
@ericlogos Ahh, you must be part Romulan to be that clever.
And emissary
The presence of the only stable wormhole in the known galaxy changed the ENTIRE complexion of Benjamin's assignment to DS9.
the presence of the Prophets, and them revealing to him that he was their Emissary, changed his relationship with Bajor.
the arrival of the Dominion and Jem'Hadar made him gatekeeper for the biggest powder keg in two quadrants.
Benjamin Lafayette Sisko was a badazz on multiple fronts.
And part god.
I like this because we see Sisko the teacher, something he didn't do enough of in my opinion. We saw him do it with Worf, Nog and to a lesser extent Bashir and Dax and it was always great when he did it.
I assume Ezri Dax?
@@austinperry1671 Jadzia too. When she let a little too much Curzon out, Sisko was there to pull on the breaks. See when Worf’s brother tried to commit suicide.
sisko better teacher than picard
I see why Ezri said Worf was intimidated by Sisko. Sisko is ferocious and highly intelligent.
Jadzia
Kinda like Picard! In my opinion, they're the best captains in the whole franchise. ;)
And the only Starfleet Captain with the balls to punch Q in the face
@@rba301 no ..... Jadzia KNEW it but never actually SAID it to Worf. Ezri flat out said it.
Benjamin intimidated the shit out of me and I just watched him on television 😂😂
This scene really defined how DS9 evolved Worf into an arguably far more interesting character than he ever got to be on TNG imo. There were many great moments like that to come but this kind of established the trend for me. Worf's weakness as a character on TNG was his difficulty seeing things from a broader perspective required of a commanding officer, and it always seemed to be a wall he was never able to overcome on the Enterprise; but then this happened on DS9, and yeah he's lucky he has no "dead children" on his conscience but the fact Worf realizes that, and how lucky he truly is in many ways represents him finally breaking that wall; making way for a far more nuanced and experienced Worf.
I could never see Worf as a commanding officer on TNG, but on DS9 I could see at least see the hypothetical commanding officer he has the potential to become now.
I love DS9 Worf. So much fight and character.
TNG Worf was a senior officer but in security, which limits your view to threats now and in the very near future.
TNG Worf had a good tactical sense, but didn’t understand strategy, like losing a battle to win a war.
Though Kira is Sisko’s first officer, DS9 Worf is effectively the federation first officer on the station. Getting thrown into the constantly fluid geopolitics of the region really started reshaping his view of the world he lives in.
1:33. A few years later...
Sisko: "Hey, watch me poison this colony's atmosphere with trilithium LOL!"
Damn when Sisko said he was LUCKY he had no dead children on his conscience, I legit felt chills.
Worf DOES have one dead child on his conscience.
It was an accident, during a game shortly after his adoption on Earth.
@@ThePathStrider that episode was horrible. Everything about it made it a chore to get through
@@m3xicanstandoff Can't remember the rest of the episode, so you're probably right.
That is why war is hell. If you had to see families and children get annihilated. If you had to see families and children you KNEW get annihilated. So many things can eat you up even if you achieve victory it's no victory for your soul.
@@m3xicanstandoff It was vital in the development of the Worf/Jadzia relationship.
Capt. Sisko is arguably the toughest captain among the others that had their own TV series. Could tell that Worf gets intimidated by Sisko.
Agreed. After all, this is Sisko we're talking about. He's a man who does not suffer fools. To prove his point, he punched Q in the mouth, knocking him on his ass.
This is a great scene! Throughout the course of the series, we saw Sisko wearing a lot of the "captain as" hats: As leader, as strategist, as voice of reason, as passionate warrior. One of the hats we rarely saw was Sisko as mentor. That makes this scene so much more appreciable .
One of my favorite hats he had on is father.
This is one of the reasons I'm glad TNG and DS9 were a part of my youth. They modeled characters who admit and learn from their mistakes. Now *that* is a role model.
I love how CPT Sisko steps into the room to give that chewing that Worf had coming. Totally professional.
worf didn't have it coming. Worf was fully in the right.
Worf DID have it coming ... the ONLY reason that Worf wasn't extradited was bcuz of what Odo discovered about that civilian ship's passenger "manifest". it was a setup that Worf failed spectacularly.
and the truth is ..... NOBODY ELSE was on the Defiant when Sisko came to Worf. it truly WAS a professional courtesy for him to do so FULLY INSIDE his quarters.
@@dhinton1 no this is bad writing pure and simple. He is in a combat situation with ships that can and do cloak during it. and cloaking leaves them vunerable for a few seconds in the process. Worf made the right call to defend his ship and the convoy he was protecting.
@@Revkor Do me a favour: look up the story of the USS Vincennes and Iran Air 655. An American cruiser fired on and shot down a civilian airliner in 1988 because they were "defending themselves", panicked and failed to properly identify their target. That was probably the inspiration for this episode. It's happened several times. The Soviets did it, the Russian-backed Ukrainian separatists did it, the Iranians did it, and as I said, the Americans did it. In each case, they were "defending themselves". In each case, hundreds of people died.
When you're using lethal force near civilians, especially on that scale, you don't make assumptions. You verify. If you think that Worf was justified here, just imagine being in his shoes. Imagine visiting each family who lost a father, a wife, a son, a sister and trying to justify your actions.
Sisko really taught Worf how to be a leader. If he had stayed on the Enterprise he would have not developed beyond Security Chief.
I love how at this point in the show, there isn't a single doubt in Sisko's mind that Worf is going to make Captain. It wasn't until much later when Worf abandons the mission to save Jadzia that we learn his chances at Captaincy are all but gone. Still though, in this clip Sisko is 100% convinced that he's speaking to a future Captain of the Federation.
We later learn he got the enterprise 1701-e
@@jasongould04HE DID??? …frankly, that’s perfect.
Worf feels "intimidated." XD
*The body-language of the two would indicate the opposite.*
@@Princess2Warrior. worf knows and respects an authority figure when he sees one. It is a mutual respect between alpha males.
"But Sir, I was just going to put on some klingon opera and cry myself to sleep"
"Go put on a blue uniform and be a bitch then. You can help Keiko collect space trees tomorrow."
I always likes Sisco, he leads by example and teaches with tough love. You can see the respect he has for everyone (Worf in this case), but he knows sugar coating things doesn't make it easier
TNG had moments too. Unfortunately they were few and far between.
Lower Decks is an underrated episode.
If you liked him you could spell his name correctly.
@@LordTalax I watch the shows to be entertained, not be berated by grammar and spelling Nazis. Get a life
I loved this scene. Sisko is a great Commander but also a teacher, encouraging Worf who's new at Command. It's great.
When two great actors get great material, they can elevate it to the sublime. In a scene of less than 4 minutes, we find new depth in characters we thought we knew. Bravo to them both!
Captain Sisko understood Worf far better than Captain Picard
I Always Felt That Sisko, And The Rest Of Deep Space Nine, Treated Worf With Integrity.
Picard's Engagement Towards The Klingon.. Wasn't Of The Same Caliber: Comic Relief, Dismissive, And Rare Moments Of Honor.
Deanna Tori Appeared To Be The Sole Crewmen... Who Matches The Level Of DS9 Respect, Rightfully Bestowed To The Son Of Mogh.
There's validity to your point of view. When Lt.Cmdr. Worf first came on on board the Enterprise E, Cmdr. Riker mad a like quip to Worf questioning he still remembers how to fire phasers. Yeah, Cmdr. Riker is a jovial man, but still.
Only a Klingon could avoid shitting his pants from Sisko staring at you and saying "That was your first mistake."
Man, give us Captain Worf in the new Picard series!
They better. Otherwise why have a series with Picard if not to revisit some of his crew from time to time?
Worf is an Ambassador now.
You think Martok will give up his Targ hunting partner so easily??
I’d rather see Alexander
I think i will pass on rubber mask STD worf. Thankfully the actor agrees.
While Patrick Stewart is an excellent actor and did a fine job on TNG, Avery Brooks was one of the best actors in Star Trek, and was the most interesting captain of them all. Colm Meany as Chief O’Brien did a fabulous job and I really liked how they expanded his role in DS9.
I’ve always said that Captain Sisko is the best captain in the Star Trek universe.
He is. But i usually disqualify him from my rankings, because i feel the position should be judged only between mortals, so in his absence kirk wind.
Well, he was a bit overdramatic at times, but considering the royal flaming crap he had to deal with compared to pretty much everyone except Janeway and he still got through, he was definitely a good captain.
Look, being a demigod leads to being quite dramatic.
@@Kiljaedenas Janeway was awful. She was the equivalent of Gilligan.
You are correct.
A ST series with Worf as the captain and competent writers? That would make my life.
Actually Michael Dorn really want bring back Worf as main character in Star trek: Captain Worf TV show, it was intended after Enterprise TV show, however CBS did not want any Star trek show during that time, shame.
@@danielkubin3878 damn, thats shit
I'd love a Worf show
Too old now.
I feel like this clip should be played to all police academy students and rookies joining the army or navy !!
Well the military mostly watches trek anyway. It's been seen..
I feel like you think police and military personnel aren't basic human beings who feel empathy for others, only autonomous kill-machines.
bigmeknurgle I have no idea where you got that analogy ! But definitely way off lol .There about 3-4 great points that Sisko makes about being a leader . One of them is that they don’t put civilians at risk and sometimes it means they die in their defence .
You just took the words right out of my mouth after I rewatched this scene. Especially conserning the police right now, like Sisko said "we don't put civillians at risk or even potentially at risk to save ourselves, sometimes that means losing the mission or even our lives, but if you can't make that choice, then you can't wear that uniform"
We should just abolish the police (and prison) and abolish the standing military and switch to a purely reserve military. However, I agree that so long as we have military, the rule should be "we do not put civilians in danger or even potentially in danger, and sometimes that means we lose the battle or even our lives." This is the kind of job where you agree that your life is forfeit if need be, and if one cannot accept that kind of risk then this is not the right job for them.
P.S. I most assuredly would not fight for any military for any country.
The Dynamic between them is something I always loved. With Picard the relationship felt more like a Master-Apprentice...even Father-Son at times. With Sisko, there was always a sense camaraderie...almost brother-like....at the very leas brothers-in-arms.
You really understand what being part of Starfleet is all about when Sisko says this speech. It's all for the greater good.
Worf is bigger, more aggressive, more physically intimidating; but Sisko is scarier when he wants to be.
Ezri told Sisko that Worf is intimidated by him. 😉
Great lesson on leadership here
+N D Indeed.
Not just in a military environment like Starfleet, but in the real world if you are a manager or a supervisor.
The lessons Sisko shared with Worf can also relate to those who are in positions of command in the real world.
It's true. Chuck-e-cheese managers should not open fire on decloaking cars even if the drive-thru has shut for the night.
_Several_ great lessons here.
1. Don't shoot at targets without a proper evaluation of their potential threat. Applications: military, police, home defense.
2. A good boss uses failures as an opportunity to teach and berates, but no more than necessary. Sisko uses a variant the positivity sandwich model: (a) there's a party, (b) you done f-ed up, (c) come to the party and celebrate. Applications: management, command, education.
3. A good leader knows how to provide the troops with what they need, even if that's not xer mood at the moment. Applications: any leadership role whatsoever.
This isn't only applicable here but in life as a teacher, a father, a leader, a husband. Sometimes smiling is the last thing you want to do.
DS9 was the best of all the Star Trek series. The characters, the acting and the writing.
The acting was decent, and Avery Brooks had his moments (like here), but he was more like Shatner and overacted too much.
2:36 Imagine if Q showed up at that exact moment...
"BUT I FEEL LIKE CELEBRATING!!"
I kind of remember a line by Ezri Dax in the last season. She was having trouble dealing with Worf and Sisko offered to talk to him.
"No don't say anything. you intimidate him." (it was something like that)
Worf respected Picard but Sisko scared him at times. Sisko using bio weapons on a Maquis world comes to mind as a moment when Worf was taken a back.
Caption Sisko, The last human to have a pair of brass balls in Star Trek.
Cage532 More like neutronium dipped in latinum!!!!
The look on Q's face when Sisko bops him shows just how brassy those balls are.
Benjamin using those weapons on those Maquis-populated planets WITHOUT consulting with Starfleet SOLELY for the purpose of getting Michael to surrender ........ the Defiant isn't big enough for the set he had to do that.
and let's not even speak of what he (essentially) allowed Garak to do to bring the Romulans off the nonaggression pact in S6.
You are spot on!
I love that last line.
I bet Keiko O'Brian does not love that last line.
+Grubnar Keiko is annoying. Miles' coolness instantly drops whenever he's with her. They're horrible together.
Me: Captain Worf, who was the Starfleet officer that had the most impact on you?
Worf: Captain Sisko.
Me: What about Captian Picard?
Worf: Who? Oh, yeah. Him too.
Worf: "That little bald man who spent all his time reading and playing with his little flute?"
One of my favourite lines of the whole Star Trek universe: Wait till you've got four pips on that collar. You'll wish you had gone into botany.
HAAAAAA! JUST WHAT I WAS THINKING, LOL..
I love that Sisko makes a distinction between Starfleet decision-making and Military decision-making, that's the distinction that had Brad Boimler beating up outpost scientists years later.
"We don't put civilians at risk, or even potentially at risk, to save ourselves." ... An appropriate quote for the USA in 2020.
Sounds like a hard job to do, but all in all you are correct.
It's a luxury that you can have when you are fictional characters living in a fantasy universe. Those of us in the real world have to abide by the reasonable reality since the beginning of humanity: collateral damage happens even when you don't target civilians and take great measure to prevent it.
@@Prodigysportsman The whole point is that you take great measures to prevent it. In this episode, and indeed in several real life instances where civilian airliners have been shot down (including one by a US Navy cruiser), great measures were not taken to prevent it.
"There are no dead children on your conscience."
"Well, sir, there was this soccer game back on earth..."
Considering the timeline. Worf's promotions through the ranks have been GLACIAL.
True....but Sisko was one of the few Starfleet Officers that could go toe to toe in hand to hand combat with a Klingon. The only other guy that would be confident in hand to hand combat against a Klingon would be Will Riker.
Shoot, in one episode Sisko out Klingon the Klingons.
Don't forget Kirk but only when he has HAD. ENOUGH. OF. YOU!
@Yuki BabaYaga If he couldn't handle himself against a Klingon.....then the Klingon he beat via the alleged sucker punch would not have respected him and taken his orders. The guy challenged his authority. Riker recognized the challenge and got the first blow in. If you are in a situation where a fight is about to break out....you don't fight fair......you don't say to the other guy..."I say old chap....we're going to fight using the Marquis of Queensbury and will tell you when I am going to attack so that you'll be ready". Paleese.
Data could take on Klingons easily.
I do hope a 4K Box set comes out the the entire DS9 Series. Moments like this need to be preserved in posterity for their incredible moment to moment interactions that defined a generation of Trekkies. Moments that still send chills down my spine for being so memorable and amazing.
When Sisko walks through the door, it shuts behind him, and then he says, "That was your first mistake."
That wasn't meant to be intimidating, but if that had happened to me in real life, I would have shat my pants.
one thing about Sisko, he plays it completely cool...until he doesn't.
Reminds me of the Jem'Hadar who first beamed over to DS9. O'Brien an ordered a containment field around him but at the right moment the Jem'Hadar walked thru the field to prove a point.
Sisko and Worf always made for great scenes. 2 of my favorite characters in all of star trek
Hey, man. I'm sure botany has its challenges.
Sure, botany has it's challenges. But in botany, lives aren't at stake. And compared to a captaincy, botany is tame. With botany, all you have to worry about is plants. When you're a captain, you have to worry about your crew, be responsible for everything they do, make decisions that are sometimes impossible and then live with the consequences of those decisions.
And command is lonely. You can't be one of the men. You always have to hold yourself up as an example. And you cannot (if you expect loyalty and respect) ask others to do what you will not do yourself.
I guess we have differing senses of humor. I understand what he is saying, but I don't find it amusing. I find it degrading to those who have taken the command track and chosen to accept the challenges and responsibilities of leadership.
yeah. just read the martian
Tommy Gunns Absent emoticons, there is no way to detect sarcasm. Without an appropriate emoicon, there is no way to tell if the person is being serious or facetious.
Whatever.
Worf going Red, and the responsibility that arises in that uniform. Awesome portrayal!
You're a Starfleet officer, that means we play it safe and take twice as long as anyone else to win a war!
Unless we decide to trick someone else into fighting
two amazing actors.
The botany line is one of my favorite quotes from Star Trek.
He HAS four pips on that collar now, Benjamin.
The greatest Star Trek series of all time.
I always liked that unlike with Picard, Sisko expects more from Worf. He listens to him more than in TNG, and doesnt handle him with kid gloves
And doesn't say no to his every suggestion.
The character Worf was a true and honourable warrior. He understood the difference between pride and honour. Honour will forfeit pride when the right thing must be done.
I think that a great thing about this show is that it still, over twenty
years later, sparks such interesting conversation about the morality of
the decisions. Like, it isn't a matter of "were the actions not in
Sisko's character," of course they were, both his speach here and his
later actions are quite in character for him, this serious, deliberate
captain.
But we can still engage with what it all means, what was
the moral choice in this situation. Even today, in our oversaturated
grimdark, cynical media landscape, we don't really get these kinds of
nuanced moral situations presented, because it is either just, resolved
that it was actually all fine and not immoral the whole time (what the
MCU likes to do) or it's just like the end Game of Thrones, which tries
to be edgy and shocking for its own sake, damn any actual thematic
discussion.
Sisko is the man, helps worf recognize his error and why, but not letting him forget his future role in time. Being balance he must attend the event regardless of his personal feelings with a smile for the crew! Excellent motivator skills!
accept it wasn't an error
Such a nice, earnest scene between the two. :-) Very human, but very professional at the same time.
"... you're gonna make a hell of a captain someday."
"... Wait til you get four pips on that collar."
Sisko recognizes Worf's potential. Possibly because Worf is so troubled by his own errors.
Worf really evolved immensely on DS9. I think this took him to the evolution of his character that we see on Picard.
One of Sisko's greatest speeches!
The only man Worf was afraid of was Sisko. He was humbled, yet Sisko used it as a teaching lesson for command and for Worf's future.
Sisko fosters Worf (and much of his crew) in a way that Picard and Kirk simply don't--possibly because that's less a consideration on a starship at the far edge of the galaxy. Sisko's belief that Worf could be a stellar captain in his own right is inspiring, and quite possibly the first such belief that Worf has encountered from either Klingons or the Federation (though Picard did temporarily give him command of the Enterprise).
In Star Trek: The Next Generation Worf was a Lt. Commander. Now that he is in Deep Space 9, although he is a Commander, he realizes that wearing the red uniform carries responsabilities that must be shown.
Mar 16, 2020 @ 9:18 pm.
Worf was promoted to Lieutenant Commander in the movie Star Trek Generations. He remained that ranked until the end of DS9 when he was made Federation Ambassador to the Klingon Empire.
This a great example of leadership and mentorship.
He knows Worf is a good man.
I'd like that lecture in the end. One of these days they are going to promote you, then you know you really are in some serious trouble.
My favourite pep talk ending with the hash slap "wait till you get four pips on that collar, you'll have wished you'd have gone into botany' if words could be made into a slap in the face then that quip would be it.
An amazing scene. So well written and acted. That entire episode is a gem.
Ben has lots of those in DS9. With Nog. With that ex Starfleet he was pursuing.
My uncle is a veteran of the war in Vietnam. He survived an air drop, they promoted him and, sent him right back out again. The man loves everything Star Trek but, to this day, he simply cannot bear to watch Deep Space Nine with me. I think that says something although, I'm not really sure what.
I think it's because Ds9 is realistic and depicts the brutality, destruction, and hard choices in war and probably reminds him of Vietnam, also it's probably why he likes the other shows because it depicts a brighter future. Just a thought. :)
I'm thinking he doesn't want to look at AR-558 type episodes.
Huge fan of captain. Sisko❤
"You intimidate him" indeed.
For those that have seen the deleted scenes on Star Trek Picard season 3...there is a scene between Worf and Riker that well brings this particular scene back to mind.
Back when Star Trek writers understood the source material, the characters and write a good story doing both!
Have you seen SNW?
@@Mark73 yeah I've caught a couple of episodes. I've watched the season finale a couple if times comparing to source material. While having moments they are few.
@@patrickradcliffe3837 so you’re saying you are talking out of your ass as you haven’t actually watched it and were just looking for excuses to say “it sucks”
best part of the scene is getting worf to understand that even though they are not Klingon starfleet has just as much pride in what they are. Worf chooses to wear that uniform and it has weight just like being a Warrior has weight to a Klingon. What I alway liked about worf's character is how much he respects starfleet and being a klingon and merges those two parts of his life.
such a great scene. getting to see the connection and interaction amongst high ranking officers who understand the complexities and responsibilities that command requires
Wait 'til you get four pips on your collar. You'll wish you had gone into botany...One of my favorite Sisko quotes.
Not only was Worf wrestling with the human morals he was raised with, but his Klingon honor as well; both things state that killing unarmed civilians is reprehensible and a grave dishonor that could taint one's name for the rest of their lives.
Worf, so distraught at the concept of being into botany, had his entire face distort in disgust at the end.
2:38....
This can be said of parenting as well!
LMFAO!
Imagine the type of man you can become accepting being led and tutored by Picard and Sisko.
3 Minutes and 11 Seconds of pure character development and dialogue. Who wants to bet whether star trek discovery series is gonna bother with more than ten seconds of that in any given episode?
Starkly military in a world that seems to hide military realities as much as possible.
Such an under rated actor, a shame he never came back on TV to ply his trade in a meaty role but treading the boards and teaching have been his thing by all accounts.
The deal grind of a TV series working 12 to 18 hours a day for 7 years wear a person out.
Sisko "Wait until you have 4 pips on that collar. You'll wish you had gone into botany"
For what it worth. Starfleet never fires first or at least that’s Starfleet’s 1st rule of engagement. Worf knew that. So with that, his strong sense of honor and his heavy guilt...any other man would have committed suicide or at least quit Starfleet with all that weighing on him. Shows Worf’s strength of character.
I don't know about you, but I could see Worf showing up in Picard as the Grounds Keeper at Star Fleet academy
I could see Worf saving the galaxy in a flying tree on that sack of dogshit. Maybe with a former XO who calls him WR that's addicted to space-fentanyl or something.
Sisco is officially the best captain of all Star fleet
Avery and Michael! I LOVE these men!!!
Being a service member I can understand the full context of this scene. Captain Sisco was educating Commander Worf on the Burden of Command. When you rise in the ranks your career are your men and women and their well being. You will succeed because they succeed, and you will suffer the consequences when they get killed in the line of duty. You will also have to live with both their success and their tragedy.
leadership: WE succeed, I fail, the men succeed as a group, Only I fail as the leader. The burden falls upon me.
ABSOLUTELY..