Sorry for all the toxic comments here. Everyone is an expert these days. I just want to thank you for an excellent and informative video and helping me decide which hammock is right for me. Much appreciated!❤❤❤❤
34:40 deploying the amok is better when it's already raining. You put up your tarp and then you can relax, doing everything else while not getting wet. That's the main reason I didn't go with a hammock tent - a tarp is incredibly versatile, useful for numerous situations and incredibly better when raining.
You can do the same with the other one, you are not married to using the integrated tarp. I'm more interesting in Amok as well but I see plenty of ppl who just use a separate way larger tarp with the haven.
Great review of the two hammocks! Also, for information purposes, I bought the Amok Draumr 5.0 XL (extra long) because I am 6'3' tall. The pad for the Amok Druamr XL is 87"x25" and the pad for the standard size Amok Draumr is 78"x25" which is the size of the Big Agnes Air Core Ultra. So, just in case someone is buying the Amok XL, the Big Agnes pad would be too short.
I used to have both Amok Draumr 5.0 and the haven. In the end sold both of them, got back to gathered-end hammocks for their low weight, compact size under a tarp, and cosy feeling when used with right underquilts. And yes, I am a side sleeper, and I love to sleep on my side in a gathered-end hammock.
Ive been debating getting one of these to try upgrade from my sleeping which is the same as yours. My fear was that i would revert back to my original setup and waste money because its so light. I like to bring my dogs alot of the time too so the ability to drape a bug net over and have it hang to the ground gives them a space underneath to get away from bugs.
late to this video. The issue had with the Amok is that i have had balance issues expecially getting into my sleeping bag... so far that has been impossible
The Amok only has one flaw and that is that it's a bit difficult to get in and out of, and your pillow and sleeping bag comes rushing down to your feet every time you do. Other than that, it is really good. Easy to set up and adjust, comfortable and it does not pinch you on the sides like the haven tent might do. I'm a side sleeper. I have the Amok Draumr 5.0 with the original tarp and a thick insulated Exped pad. Great stuff!
OK, so it's been a year, with the Draumr 5.0 out, and the haven safari available. Has you opinion changed at all? Do you still say the amok is the more comfortable of the 2?
My experience with my Haven XL.. Anyone who lives somewhere with mosquitoes will not appreciate the fact that they didn't do double zippers on the mosquito net. There is only one zipper on either side of the nets so you have to open it all the way up. I spent the first night in mine last night, and I had to grab something off the ground underneath my hammock. I had to open half the bug screen up just to get to what I needed and I let in about 30 mosquitoes in the meantime. On any of my Hennessy style hammocks, they are double zippered which allows you to unzip a small portion to reach out and get anything off the ground or outside the hammock. Serious failure right off to get go. It seems like their only concern was the ability to remove the bug screen. Also, with a bit of movement flipping back and forth from your stomach or side, the bug screen zipper will start to work its way down opening a gap. Gnats, no-see ums, and mosquitoes became a problem from that as well. There is a good chance that my brand new hammock will be sold shortly. I waited a long time to buy one of these, very disappointing.
@@utubeape Why would I spend more money on additional products to fix a failed zipper design? I already returned it for a full refund and an admission from their RMA department that it's a known issue. I don't spend my own money making up for the failures of brand new products. To each their own of course, if you think that's an acceptable solution for you.
They must have listened, the newest one, Safari has double zippers (4 heads), I just received it. I'll have to experiment, but it also looks like you could position them to where they don't work open.
Thank for the walk through... As confounding as it is confusing - so far - you're the only person that has shown me how the Bug Net attaches and how it looks on the Haven... I frequently camp in the Florida woods... And if the bugs don't get you - the heat will... So having an open air flow is important! Thanks to you, I believe I have found exactly what I need. Thank you! Also, I seriously appreciate key details you shared! Things like: certain Items NOT included... That an Air Mattress is REQUIRED for use... And the points you highlighted on the uses and considerations for helping us use these in our life... Clear examples that show you expertise! I will admit, I wasn't quit sure what to think of your video from the start... Working without a script or possibly freeform within one... That once I sat back and listened - it felt more like having a conversation with a friend and not like a commercial or teaching lecture!
@@LifeWithKernelLee I'm still trying to figure out Haven's website... how does the same item... Have way different prices! Like $198.00 to $315.00 for what looks the same!?!?
Smh... Haven's web pages have embedded hyperlinks for changing sales options... Once those are messed with the listed prices adjust accordingly... I didn't notice the default features were different for pages for the same item! So at a glance, one page gave a deal that the next page took away! I'm just getting old... And web designers love reinventing wheel!
thanks for the review, it was great. my conclusion is go for the haven using with separate tarp, if it has the double zipper on the bugnet. That way you wont get wet in rain, and you have a shelter in area with no trees. Good for everything! greetings from Hungary.😀
I bought the Amok Draumr 5.0 last fall. Otherwise it's fine and dandy, but using a sleeping bag inside it is somewhere between annoying and impossible. Even a slight incline may have you slide to the head or foot end of the hammock. Changing your position, like bending your knees, moves your center of mass and may end up you sliding down. A quilt is perfectly fine though, as long as it's not between you and the hammock acting as a "sled".
@@promeworks yes, I had a friend try it out and she ended up on her head during the night. Myself, I’ve never had that issue. But it is cumbersome getting in and out.
Very helpful comparison! I am yet undecided. Each having its own pros/cons. W Haven an added pro is its easier to relieve yourself w/o getting out of the tent and accessing things on the ground or under the tent. But comfort versatility, price and light weight Amok may trump its extra set up time and less storm protection.🤷🏼♂️ Depends on your priorities. Amok in-tent adjustability is impressive.
Great to see that you, Glenn Newell and your friend Steve, you mentioned in the video, might live near the LBJ National Grassland area. I live in Hico, Texas and own an Amok Draumr 5.0 and 5.0 XL. I'd like to mention that the Draumr's straps are ratchet type fully adjustable. We should try to have a Haven/Amok camp fair. I noticed that there was a Tentsile in the background. I also own an early model Tentsile Stingray. I'd like to see what others are using for portable hammock stands for the Haven and Amok. I have an ENO Nomad, which works fine but I think that the Tensa 4 might allow for a higher (taller) stand. Thank you again for your videos.
Yeah don't know. I think I'll just keep using my instant pop-up 3 man tent takes two seconds to set up and it fits well in my back pack..Would suck to be in one of them on a windy day
Thanks, very helpful! I'm considering buying the Haven to use it in my 16 feet dinghy, and for that use the Amok is not possible. (I will use the mast as tree, and for the other end, build a stand)
Haven is cool but its way to heavy for backpacking and kinda pricy , i ended up going with the eno skylite hammock cause of the weight and and space plus its sooooo wide , any air pad works if you actually want one , i use an underquilt and topquilt . Its 7.62 long by 36 wide and the bug net comes to 24 inches above your face . Eno skylite weighs 2 pounds and its flat lay too . Nice comparison video brother
I have something similar to the nightcat, basically same thing but different brand. It doesn’t use an air pad for lay flat sleep, it is more like a gathered end hammock. It can be used like a bivy tent due to the pole structure. I tested mine in a storm and it handled well. Camping in Storm/Tent vs Hammock vs Storm ua-cam.com/video/AzGnDiB0Tng/v-deo.html
Great review! For my part, it has boiled down to these two hammock. There always seems to be some compromises, none is perfect) What I really like about the Haven is the tarp, easy to install and use, comes close around you giving that tent feeling, while the Amok have that seperate tarp, does not get fully enclosed and take some time to put up. At the moment it looks like I go for the Haven, much because of the tarp, fully aware of the Amok is even a notch more comfortable and lighter
Thank you, you are right on about set up. Haven is much easier and more tent like. Cant go wrong there. Make sure to use my affiliate code in description box, cost you nothing extra and I get a free lunch😀
It is definitely handy that, with the Haven, if you just can’t find trees that will work, you can deploy it as a tent on the ground with a couple of trekking poles
I really hope you didn't make that choice. With the haven you have no protection form the rain while installing the hammock. A separate tarp is better because you can afford to start with the tarp and instantly be sheltered, and cozy all while setting the rest
So I own the amok 5.0 xl and it’s a nice hammock. I just ordered the haven xl and want to know if it’s sleeps better. The Amok, if u move at night towards your head, it drops down and your feet get higher then your head. Vise Vera’s if you go towards your feet. Also getting in and out is absolutely terrible. It’s nice but frustrating. Also the bug net is hard to open and close as u tilt towards your feet opening and closing and it just about touches your face. Fingers crossed Haven
I have the 5.0 XL as well. I haven been able to make it lean on my Head end. But I guess as I am 6 ft 3 I never move that far to either side. I put a thin rope on the zipper for the bugnet. Makes it a breeze to close it. Getting out and in surely take’s a bit of training😊 I will get a top quilt as getting in the sleeping bag is still a bit of frustration for me. Guess that would be the case with any “sleep in the air” system.
@@daniellamberth7877 yea I use a quilt. Slept in the AMOK at 0 degs F and used my Nemo 15 degree inside my quilt. Was nice but the haven is going to be better in little less cold temps.
Hi, great review. I own an amok. The haven looks very promising as there is not always tree's around. Also a sleeping bag in an amok slides around something bad. I was happy and dry in a really hard storm. Talking of storms, you can't really store your gear in the amok either so a lot of pros and cons.
Yes, Im with you on that. Id rather ride out a storm in a tent. The best sleep i get is in my Amok and then the Haven. Both amazing hammocks. Thanks for watching.
@@LifeWithKernelLee under a lot of strain the straps can start to eat away at the plastic adjusters, it happened on my 3.0. Best way is to lay back as much as you can and lift your knees to pull the knee straps in and then sit all the way forward to do the back, just takes the weight off well enough for an easy adjustment. All the best
I have the Amok Draumr XL 4.0 Getting in the Amok while at the same time trying to keep your sleeping bag inside the hammock is tiring. I am considering sowing in a hook at the head end of the Amok and sleeping bag - this way the sleeping bag can "hang tight" while I get in/out. Last night I spent in the Amok, I was debating myself for half an hour in the middle of the night before finally caving in and going through the painful process of leaving/entering with the sleeping bag - all because I had to pee... (yes, I am 40+) This is my main gripe with the Amok. Another thing that would be better with the Haven, is that I would have the ability to have my son sleep with me - that is very hard in the Amok :-)
Yup, that is the worst part about the Amok, getting in and out. But once your in it is so comfortable. I couldnt imagine two people in it even if it were a child. Possibly with the Haven you could, I’ve seen people have their dogs with them.
Great review. Amok and Haven are really different. Can you do a video comparing Haven Hammock with Helsdon Hammock? They seem to be more similar in style. From what I understand you don't need a brand name air mattress with the Helsdon as you do with the Haven, and that's a big plus for me.
Great comparrison guide, very useful to me. Have you tried both pads in the Haven at the same time, for a kind of 'plywood' stability effect? I am also wondering about if I get the Haven would it work to line it with a reflective on one side closed cell foam mat, like a picnic mat for more warmth in the winter, perhaps a roll up foam mat under the insulated pad.
Thank you. I need to try both pads, might work out well. In another video I show where I put refectix under the air pad for more insulation. Haven XL HACKS/How to make it better! ua-cam.com/video/iwUHHH9sPyQ/v-deo.html
@@LifeWithKernelLee Thanks, and that was a good idea to add an extra strap under the hammock. I don't think air leaks from the pad, what it more likely is, (because this happens every time with me) is the air is warmer when you first inflate, but cools during the night and therefore takes up less space. Make sure you pump a bit more in before going to bed
Nice review, i'm an ammok fan, draumer 5.0 makes me living in another world ! Just promiss me one thing... never ever blow in the airbag of your sleeping pad to inflate it, moisture is the last thing you wanna get in that kind of stuff 🙏🙏 I really enjoy spending some time on watching your videos !
Thermarest has observed and tested for years whether moisture damages the sleeping pad in any way. To date, they have not been able to determine that. If you also breathe into the pump bag, even less can happen.
Tried out the Amok now too and I am not really convinced by both products somehow. I found the haven tent a bit better even. Still not that convinced taking this out on a several days hike!
@@LifeWithKernelLee na it’s just not my thing. I got sick somehow in it 😂. I am just not too much of an hammock guy I am afraid. Even I somehow like them. But not for camping I like my little home shelter on the ground. Never was an air person somehow. Afraid of heights too. Maybe just not my element. :)
If the Haven only had a light weight version… hach I mean, I love the tent aspect of the haven. You could use it on the floor, you could use it in a storm, you can make it shut
At least the Amok won't put you on the ground in the middle of the night because the spreader pole goes thru the cheap ass pocket and ripped out the side of the Haven. I've gone thru 2 Havens in 2 years so I'm use to the Pop and Dump of the Haven.
If your hammock is sagging, it's not tight enough. Period. I own a Haven Tent XL and use the Therm-A-Rest Mondoking. I use ratchet straps as my hammock straps because they're easier, more reliable, and they don't have sag in them whatsoever. Your hammock has a ridgeline for a reason. Use it.
@@darrylthehorntoadpiper Yea they work really well. They make lightweight ones that are stupid durable too. Plus people forget with a Ridgeline, you don't need a 30° hang. The ends where rhe hammock are mounted to are already there at 30°
Outstanding! We have Warbonnets and Eagle Nests as well as Draumrs, and were considering the Haven. Like you, I'd give the not to the Amok for increased utility and better design if the pad begins to lose pressure. They both depend on the rigidity of the pad, but with the Draumr, there's almost a built in safety setup with those internal straps.
Those are nice hammocks, you are exactly right about the air pads giving structure. My haven pad failed, it will hold air for about 10 mins thens starts deflating. On the Amak I went with the Big Agnes pad, great air pad, love it.
I think I'd go with a Haven, it just seems less complicated. And I'm not sitting next to a fire in a tent or hammock. That's what chairs/pads are made for.
@@richardbutler4654 I don't know if that warranty is available here in Canada but still $500+ a hammock with no fly. The Haven provides a similar function with all the necessary features for $300.
Haven all the way. Why? I can get up in the middle of the night, take a piss, and get back in my Haven without having my sleeping bag and everything else slide and shift all over the place while I get out and then back in. I was so close to getting the Draumr, but decided to go with the Haven. Wasn't even considering entry and exit at the time. I don't know why, as I always had that problem with my regular camping hammocks. Actually like the looks of the Draumr better. None of the videos even showed getting in and out while you have stuff in it though, so I didn't even think about it. Only reason I went with Haven was because my available funds shrunk a little before I decided. Glad I went with Haven now though. I tend to have to get up at least once per night. Sometimes twice. I'm in and out of my Haven super easy, and nothing moves around. Watch when he goes to get in the hammocks and imagine there is stuff in there like a sleeping bag, pillow, blanket, and other stuff. You would dump everything out of the Draumr trying to get in it. Especially pitch black in the middle of the night.
I think you made a great decision, both are comfy and unique. You are right about the Amok, getting in and out is a pain, usually I stuff everything that lose in pockets before i get in and out. Thanks for watching and happy camping
Checked out the haven tent now in a bit more harsh conditions. The hammock from the haven is Not to be used alone as a normal hammock. The shape makes you always hang with the butt on the Ground. Just doesn’t work. The other big big issue is the silly fixing of the rain fly on the hammock itself. Especially when you fixed it to the ground with some lines. It’s just not doable from inside the hammock when it rains you have to go out but then you don’t come in anymore. Great :p. Not. If we take a Look towards the Nightcat hammock tent they just solved this with two plastic clips. So easy! So nice! But nope the Haven for me is a half hearted product and not well thought out. And I will very likely send it back to them. Not worth the almost 400 bucks!
@@LifeWithKernelLee yeah I just find it so disappointing as this could easily be a great great product! With few little adjustments and a bit more effort this would be the greatest tent/hammock option. Like this it’s just okay. It’s not bad. Don’t get me wrong. But for that price I can expect more. I will go next now for the Draumr 5.0. I think this is a bit better thought out all in all.
Dude, not putting up the tarp with the Amok makes this whole comparison video next to, but not quite, worthless. I'm left thinking that you really need to find 4 trees in a cross pattern to get that Amok sucker under decent shelter. Or you have to guy out a couple of poles at the other corners. Also, You didn't bother to show the Haven fly deployed as a shelter. You set that up so low that you couldn't walk around under it without being crouched over.
Sorry if that came across toxic, was meant as a joke. Been too scared to get a hammock-tent in Prince George, lot of bear, moose, linx and angry squirrels 😫🐀
Tested both and I don’t like either of them actually. The haven is utter nonsense and children’s toy and the amok is also annoying and too heavy. I tell everyone to get a cheap bubble like sleeping pad that’s quite flexible and a onewind hammock and you’re good to go. You also can sleep on your side or even on your belly too depending on the pad. Plus this all together costs around 100 bucks. Proper sleeping bag and a nice tarp and that’s it for three seasons for sure. Switch out the pad for winter and the sleeping bag and you’re prepared for deepest winters.
You're out of breath all the time, and it kind of makes it more relatable to me. You put in the air matress the wrong way in the Amok, but other than that I appreciate the comparison. Definately getting the Amok over the Haven, I want that chair mode and view you get with it.
So as I see it the faven xl is a better bed that is easy to get in and out of and a more secure place to be in the night, while the amoc is a more comfortable chair during the day and a very risky place to be in the night or during bad events...thanks for your very political accessment.
The constant choking, coughing, grunting, and gagging is really off putting man not sure if you have GERD or what is goin on but get it checked out my dude. Great review though and this is exactly the comparison I needed to make my decision thanks for the hard work!
It would have been nice to see this before buying 3 hammocks. In 2020, I decided to test hammock camping and bought a Hennessey and loved it. I then decided to try it for my daily bed in my apartment. It worked nice, but I was curious whether flat sleeping would be better. My son kept trying to convince me that the floor was better. So with all the hype, I got a Draumr 5.0. It takes a LOT of real estate in comparison, but was comfy *once in*. It also made a nice chair. However, it was unstable in that a cat would decide to join me and suddenly either I am almost standing up like I'm in a coffin ⚰️ stood up against a wall *or* on my head struggling with gravity in some weird yoga pose. Similar if I shifted in my sleep. I needed "sleep belts" like a 5 point harness! Great workout, but not why I bought the hammock. I even crashed/folded my stand a couple of times while rolling over, which I *never* did with the Hennessey. No damage to anything or anyone other than bruised ego and neighbors womdering what I was doing. Back to the Hennessey. Then the Haven Safari came out and I saved up. It is too soon to tell, but it seems ok. (Just arrived today.) The Safari is significantly heavier material, it almost feels more like a canvas than the other two. The rainfly feels like a military tarp. The sit strap seemed not to work much for me, but time will tell. It is already cat approved, one came in and slept by my head, though he did seem to be having a challenge getting comfortable. Unlike the Hennessey, he can sleep on the pad and not my chest or legs. At unloaded lay, it is up about 24" up at the ends and didn't feel like my butt was hanging down like the Hennessey (even with full cross laying). If I remember, I will edit to update later as I get more experience. All 3 have their pros and cons. Hennessey: Comparatively very light, easy to pack, setup and teardown. Snakeskins make it so I don't really need the stuff sack. Cross-lie, so still some "banana", but honestly very comfortable for me. Easy to wash! My back gets cold with no underquilt or pad, even indoors! Some models have a pocket for a pad. Draumr: Cadillac with lots of bells and whistles. Having the air mattress is nice, warms the back, kidneys and butt. The mattress is captured so it doesn't move. Lots of storage for small stuff and not enclosing for those borderline claustrophobics. Makes a good chair for lounging, reading a book etc. Huge footprint. Somewhat unstable, especially entering, but even during use. I wouldn't want to wash it! It took me a while to figure out how it was twisted and contorted when I first got it to set it up. Haven: Easy setup. Stable. Warm underneath due to air mattress. Pad isn't covered, so if not using a bag or something, you are right on the pad. I'm concerned about longevity and ease of washing the pad.
Man the struggle is real for sure. I dove into hammock camping a couple years ago as some of my friends swore by it. I tell ya, for me I can take an amazing nap in a hammock but cant sleep all night in one. The Haven was about the same due to air pad loosing air throughout the night leaving me in a taco crease. Ive since remedied the taco crease with a strap I run underneath. And just recently upgraded my pad with a Thermorest Mondo King xxl which fits perfect in the haven xl. As far as my best night sleep ever while camping was in my Amok 4.0. Once it cools off enough for me to use the haven with mondo king, Im betting it will be my new favorite.
None! LoL just use normal gather end hammock instead of some gimmicky hanging chair that completely defeats all the benefits of hammock and is hard to get into lol 😂
@@joycechampion3124 thank you for your concern. Im a bit out of shape from back injury. It is almost time for my yearly physical and will bring that up.
Okay, I’ll admit I’ve never slept in either, but the Amok design looks ridiculous. Hard to get in/out, and I wouldn’t rule out being flipped out if you move wrong while you sleep. Also looks like the net and rain fly are a pain to get on/off. Might be the reason you didn’t show it.
@@LifeWithKernelLee This is not mic sensitivity... listen to your video...you are constantly clearing your throat or half coughing, winded, and out of breath. None of our business, but does really sound like gerd.
Sorry for all the toxic comments here. Everyone is an expert these days. I just want to thank you for an excellent and informative video and helping me decide which hammock is right for me. Much appreciated!❤❤❤❤
All good. Glad I could help
@@buddhagem
Haven’t anything ‘toxic’. People will be people. Chill.
The one thing that was overlooked with the Haven tent... The Haven tent can be used as a ground bivy if there are no trees around!
Absolutely
Technically you probably can also lay the amok on the as well.
Yes you can
Night cat flat hammack / bivy is better
So can the draumr!
34:40 deploying the amok is better when it's already raining. You put up your tarp and then you can relax, doing everything else while not getting wet. That's the main reason I didn't go with a hammock tent - a tarp is incredibly versatile, useful for numerous situations and incredibly better when raining.
Very true
You can do the same with the other one, you are not married to using the integrated tarp. I'm more interesting in Amok as well but I see plenty of ppl who just use a separate way larger tarp with the haven.
@@unitedstatessc fair point
Great review of the two hammocks! Also, for information purposes, I bought the Amok Draumr 5.0 XL (extra long) because I am 6'3' tall. The pad for the Amok Druamr XL is 87"x25" and the pad for the standard size Amok Draumr is 78"x25" which is the size of the Big Agnes Air Core Ultra. So, just in case someone is buying the Amok XL, the Big Agnes pad would be too short.
Thanks, Very true
I used to have both Amok Draumr 5.0 and the haven. In the end sold both of them, got back to gathered-end hammocks for their low weight, compact size under a tarp, and cosy feeling when used with right underquilts. And yes, I am a side sleeper, and I love to sleep on my side in a gathered-end hammock.
Nothing wrong with that
Perhaps look into the war bonnet ridge runner or the Dutch ware bridge hammock
Some good choices
Ive been debating getting one of these to try upgrade from my sleeping which is the same as yours. My fear was that i would revert back to my original setup and waste money because its so light. I like to bring my dogs alot of the time too so the ability to drape a bug net over and have it hang to the ground gives them a space underneath to get away from bugs.
@eldiablo2044 oh I hear ya, yeah with the dogs might be better with your original setup.
Thanks for the video and honesty. I appreciate you going the whole 9 yards.
You very welcome
late to this video. The issue had with the Amok is that i have had balance issues expecially getting into my sleeping bag... so far that has been impossible
Yes indeed, it is cumbersome getting in and out, but very comfortable once situated .
I found my use of a quilt system was near a necessity with mine.
The Amok only has one flaw and that is that it's a bit difficult to get in and out of, and your pillow and sleeping bag comes rushing down to your feet every time you do. Other than that, it is really good. Easy to set up and adjust, comfortable and it does not pinch you on the sides like the haven tent might do. I'm a side sleeper. I have the Amok Draumr 5.0 with the original tarp and a thick insulated Exped pad. Great stuff!
@@robertmartinsenlb8ci yes indeed, great set up
OK, so it's been a year, with the Draumr 5.0 out, and the haven safari available. Has you opinion changed at all? Do you still say the amok is the more comfortable of the 2?
I think the Amok is more comfortable but the Haven is so much easier to setup and get in and out of.
My experience with my Haven XL.. Anyone who lives somewhere with mosquitoes will not appreciate the fact that they didn't do double zippers on the mosquito net. There is only one zipper on either side of the nets so you have to open it all the way up. I spent the first night in mine last night, and I had to grab something off the ground underneath my hammock. I had to open half the bug screen up just to get to what I needed and I let in about 30 mosquitoes in the meantime. On any of my Hennessy style hammocks, they are double zippered which allows you to unzip a small portion to reach out and get anything off the ground or outside the hammock. Serious failure right off to get go. It seems like their only concern was the ability to remove the bug screen. Also, with a bit of movement flipping back and forth from your stomach or side, the bug screen zipper will start to work its way down opening a gap. Gnats, no-see ums, and mosquitoes became a problem from that as well. There is a good chance that my brand new hammock will be sold shortly. I waited a long time to buy one of these, very disappointing.
Sorry to hear that, I would like double zippers myself.
How about spray the whole thing with Permithrin, and you can light up an anti mosquito insence stick
@@utubeape ha
@@utubeape Why would I spend more money on additional products to fix a failed zipper design? I already returned it for a full refund and an admission from their RMA department that it's a known issue. I don't spend my own money making up for the failures of brand new products. To each their own of course, if you think that's an acceptable solution for you.
They must have listened, the newest one, Safari has double zippers (4 heads), I just received it. I'll have to experiment, but it also looks like you could position them to where they don't work open.
Can you show a video about the best hammock tents with zipper bug screens?
There is a bug net that zips on the amok
Thanks for hanging with us ✌️ both look like they’ll do the job 😴
It is a great shelter, more videos to come. I currently have it setup in my cargo trailer Im making into a small toy hauler. 👍🏻
Haven all day for me more options for setup ie. Ground setup as well as trees 🌲
@@outdoorsurvival7730 that is true
@@LifeWithKernelLee also like u mentioned in the video storm mode is enclosed and blocks all wind
@@outdoorsurvival7730 that it does well
Thank for the walk through... As confounding as it is confusing - so far - you're the only person that has shown me how the Bug Net attaches and how it looks on the Haven...
I frequently camp in the Florida woods... And if the bugs don't get you - the heat will... So having an open air flow is important!
Thanks to you, I believe I have found exactly what I need. Thank you!
Also, I seriously appreciate key details you shared! Things like: certain Items NOT included... That an Air Mattress is REQUIRED for use... And the points you highlighted on the uses and considerations for helping us use these in our life... Clear examples that show you expertise!
I will admit, I wasn't quit sure what to think of your video from the start... Working without a script or possibly freeform within one... That once I sat back and listened - it felt more like having a conversation with a friend and not like a commercial or teaching lecture!
Most awesome, glad I could help. Make sure to use the link in description code, cost you nothing and I make a little. Thanks
@@LifeWithKernelLee I'm still trying to figure out Haven's website... how does the same item... Have way different prices! Like $198.00 to $315.00 for what looks the same!?!?
Smh... Haven's web pages have embedded hyperlinks for changing sales options... Once those are messed with the listed prices adjust accordingly... I didn't notice the default features were different for pages for the same item! So at a glance, one page gave a deal that the next page took away! I'm just getting old... And web designers love reinventing wheel!
@@LifeWithKernelLee "The Affiliate Link" - I use that part, correct?
@@iancowan3527 it depends on the air pad you get
thanks for the review, it was great. my conclusion is go for the haven using with separate tarp, if it has the double zipper on the bugnet. That way you wont get wet in rain, and you have a shelter in area with no trees. Good for everything! greetings from Hungary.😀
Absolutely. I wished it did have double zippers. Thanks for watching
Just out of curiosity. What battery powered air pump are you using with the amok air mattress great review between the two
AKSOUL mini air pump & deflator
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I sort out the tree strap issues with ratchet straps. Adjust all you want and can handle the weight of hanging my bag off it, too.
Nice
I bought the Amok Draumr 5.0 last fall. Otherwise it's fine and dandy, but using a sleeping bag inside it is somewhere between annoying and impossible. Even a slight incline may have you slide to the head or foot end of the hammock. Changing your position, like bending your knees, moves your center of mass and may end up you sliding down. A quilt is perfectly fine though, as long as it's not between you and the hammock acting as a "sled".
@@promeworks yes, I had a friend try it out and she ended up on her head during the night. Myself, I’ve never had that issue. But it is cumbersome getting in and out.
Very helpful comparison! I am yet undecided. Each having its own pros/cons. W Haven an added pro is its easier to relieve yourself w/o getting out of the tent and accessing things on the ground or under the tent. But comfort versatility, price and light weight Amok may trump its extra set up time and less storm protection.🤷🏼♂️ Depends on your priorities. Amok in-tent adjustability is impressive.
@@johnclark1469 thank you, very true, just depends on personal preference. Both excellent shelters.
Have you tried the Eurika Crystalist Hammock by Dave Helsdon? I loved mine sooooo much.
Have not heard of it
The draumr can be used like a tent basicaly on ground if we don’t have Trees ?
Very true
@@LifeWithKernelLee it's a question ahah
@@RomainGal oh im sorry, yes it can
@@RomainGal in theory. But have yet to see a video doing so so don’t hold your breath
Great to see that you, Glenn Newell and your friend Steve, you mentioned in the video, might live near the LBJ National Grassland area. I live in Hico, Texas and own an Amok Draumr 5.0 and 5.0 XL. I'd like to mention that the Draumr's straps are ratchet type fully adjustable. We should try to have a Haven/Amok camp fair.
I noticed that there was a Tentsile in the background. I also own an early model Tentsile Stingray.
I'd like to see what others are using for portable hammock stands for the Haven and Amok. I have an ENO Nomad, which works fine but I think that the Tensa 4 might allow for a higher (taller) stand.
Thank you again for your videos.
Yes we just north of Decatur at black creek lake. I have 2 tentsile unas and a tentsile t mini. Sounds good to me, should be fun.
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Yeah don't know. I think I'll just keep using my instant pop-up 3 man tent takes two seconds to set up and it fits well in my back pack..Would suck to be in one of them on a windy day
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Thanks, very helpful! I'm considering buying the Haven to use it in my 16 feet dinghy, and for that use the Amok is not possible.
(I will use the mast as tree, and for the other end, build a stand)
Sounds awesome, I am able to use the Haven in my cargo trailer but the Amok will not work in it.
Awesome job! Thanks
Thanks for enduring that long video😄
I have the amok 5.0 and it’s nice… but it’s ridiculously heavy for backpacking! I stopped taking it and switched to my Dutchware
I hear ya, one of my buddies has the ultralite 5.0 and has logged quite a few miles. He said the extra comfort was worth it
Haven is cool but its way to heavy for backpacking and kinda pricy , i ended up going with the eno skylite hammock cause of the weight and and space plus its sooooo wide , any air pad works if you actually want one , i use an underquilt and topquilt . Its 7.62 long by 36 wide and the bug net comes to 24 inches above your face . Eno skylite weighs 2 pounds and its flat lay too . Nice comparison video brother
Yeah Haven is not for everyone, sometimes its nice to just throw up a hammock and not mess with air pads.
I bought the haven regular size for my daughter and I bought the amok 5.0 for me.Cant wait to get out and use them.
Awesome, both are great shelters
Hey, do you have any feedback on these two now? Which one do you prefer?
Great review on the two !! I think I like the Haven XL, but that’s just going by looks, never tried either
Both are pretty awesome in comfort for sure
Yeah getting off the hard ground is always a plus !!
To go in chair mode sit up then pull the straps so you aren't lifting your weight uts a lot easier Hooe this helps
Very true
Nice video! How do you think these two tent hammocks would compare to a NightCat?
I have something similar to the nightcat, basically same thing but different brand. It doesn’t use an air pad for lay flat sleep, it is more like a gathered end hammock. It can be used like a bivy tent due to the pole structure. I tested mine in a storm and it handled well. Camping in Storm/Tent vs Hammock vs Storm
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Great review! For my part, it has boiled down to these two hammock. There always seems to be some compromises, none is perfect) What I really like about the Haven is the tarp, easy to install and use, comes close around you giving that tent feeling, while the Amok have that seperate tarp, does not get fully enclosed and take some time to put up. At the moment it looks like I go for the Haven, much because of the tarp, fully aware of the Amok is even a notch more comfortable and lighter
Thank you, you are right on about set up. Haven is much easier and more tent like. Cant go wrong there. Make sure to use my affiliate code in description box, cost you nothing extra and I get a free lunch😀
It is definitely handy that, with the Haven, if you just can’t find trees that will work, you can deploy it as a tent on the ground with a couple of trekking poles
@@thexdeadpoolx for sure, or on a cot
I really hope you didn't make that choice. With the haven you have no protection form the rain while installing the hammock. A separate tarp is better because you can afford to start with the tarp and instantly be sheltered, and cozy all while setting the rest
@@pedroclaro7822 that is true
So I own the amok 5.0 xl and it’s a nice hammock. I just ordered the haven xl and want to know if it’s sleeps better. The Amok, if u move at night towards your head, it drops down and your feet get higher then your head. Vise Vera’s if you go towards your feet. Also getting in and out is absolutely terrible. It’s nice but frustrating. Also the bug net is hard to open and close as u tilt towards your feet opening and closing and it just about touches your face. Fingers crossed Haven
My Amok doesn’t do that at all. The Haven does tend to crease length wise down the center but not bad. As far as everything else, the Haven rocks
I have the 5.0 XL as well. I haven been able to make it lean on my Head end. But I guess as I am 6 ft 3 I never move that far to either side. I put a thin rope on the zipper for the bugnet. Makes it a breeze to close it. Getting out and in surely take’s a bit of training😊 I will get a top quilt as getting in the sleeping bag is still a bit of frustration for me. Guess that would be the case with any “sleep in the air” system.
@@daniellamberth7877 yeah that the main issue for me, getting in and out without all my stuff falling out.
@@daniellamberth7877 yea I use a quilt. Slept in the AMOK at 0 degs F and used my Nemo 15 degree inside my quilt. Was nice but the haven is going to be better in little less cold temps.
Hi, great review. I own an amok. The haven looks very promising as there is not always tree's around.
Also a sleeping bag in an amok slides around something bad.
I was happy and dry in a really hard storm.
Talking of storms, you can't really store your gear in the amok either so a lot of pros and cons.
Yes, Im with you on that. Id rather ride out a storm in a tent. The best sleep i get is in my Amok and then the Haven. Both amazing hammocks. Thanks for watching.
Tightening the chair straps like that without bothering to move you weight off them first is a good way to destroy your amok
Very good point
@@LifeWithKernelLee under a lot of strain the straps can start to eat away at the plastic adjusters, it happened on my 3.0. Best way is to lay back as much as you can and lift your knees to pull the knee straps in and then sit all the way forward to do the back, just takes the weight off well enough for an easy adjustment. All the best
@@TimRobson30 sure makes sense, I will do this from now on
Fantastic review, thanks!
You are very welcome and thanks for watching
These hammock tents probably make a delicious burrito for grizzly Bears!
Haha
GREAT JOB ON THE REVIEW
Thanks so much
25:14 was hoping to see getting in that in a sleeping bag. :) Haven XL for me 100%
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Happy New Year!
Merry old year
Also the Amok xl fits their pad which is 87” long. I own this pad and it’s the warmest pad on the market At least out of the 20 I’ve used
Awesome
The Big Agnes pad I got for the Amok is the best I’ve ever owned.
Amok make an xl version. Is the version you tested xl. You have the camo amok. Love it.
The Amok is the regular one and the the Haven is the xl
I have the Amok Draumr XL 4.0
Getting in the Amok while at the same time trying to keep your sleeping bag inside the hammock is tiring.
I am considering sowing in a hook at the head end of the Amok and sleeping bag - this way the sleeping bag can "hang tight" while I get in/out.
Last night I spent in the Amok, I was debating myself for half an hour in the middle of the night before finally caving in and going through the painful process of leaving/entering with the sleeping bag - all because I had to pee... (yes, I am 40+)
This is my main gripe with the Amok.
Another thing that would be better with the Haven, is that I would have the ability to have my son sleep with me - that is very hard in the Amok :-)
Yup, that is the worst part about the Amok, getting in and out. But once your in it is so comfortable. I couldnt imagine two people in it even if it were a child. Possibly with the Haven you could, I’ve seen people have their dogs with them.
Great review. Amok and Haven are really different. Can you do a video comparing Haven Hammock with Helsdon Hammock? They seem to be more similar in style. From what I understand you don't need a brand name air mattress with the Helsdon as you do with the Haven, and that's a big plus for me.
Well thank you. I have not heard of the Helsdon ill have to check that out
Great comparrison guide, very useful to me.
Have you tried both pads in the Haven at the same time, for a kind of 'plywood' stability effect?
I am also wondering about if I get the Haven would it work to line it with a reflective on one side closed cell foam mat, like a picnic mat for more warmth in the winter, perhaps a roll up foam mat under the insulated pad.
Thank you. I need to try both pads, might work out well. In another video I show where I put refectix under the air pad for more insulation. Haven XL HACKS/How to make it better!
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@@LifeWithKernelLee Thanks, and that was a good idea to add an extra strap under the hammock.
I don't think air leaks from the pad, what it more likely is, (because this happens every time with me) is the air is warmer when you first inflate, but cools during the night and therefore takes up less space.
Make sure you pump a bit more in before going to bed
@@utubeape so true, great thought. I bet thats probably it. Makes sense
I love my amok but it is a nightmare getting into the sleeping bag, they need there own sleeping bag that zips into place so it doesn't move .
Man that would be awesome. Yes it is hard getting in and out with all the stuff trying to fall out.
Very cool comparison 👍
Kind of a long video but if someone were looking at both as an option this video could help
@@LifeWithKernelLee there's a lot to cover, so I'd expect a longer video. I'm still on the fence about getting an Amok
@@bigw440 they are pricey but man are they comfortable
You dont show the Amor actually closed
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What part of LBJ are you camping? I have 2 Amock’s and they are the best ,once you figure out how to get in and out . Thanks for your time.
Black creek lake. Yes they are pretty awesome. The Haven is pretty awesome as well.
Nice review, i'm an ammok fan, draumer 5.0 makes me living in another world !
Just promiss me one thing... never ever blow in the airbag of your sleeping pad to inflate it, moisture is the last thing you wanna get in that kind of stuff 🙏🙏
I really enjoy spending some time on watching your videos !
That is very true, I need to be more mindful of that. Thanks for watching
Thermarest has observed and tested for years whether moisture damages the sleeping pad in any way. To date, they have not been able to determine that. If you also breathe into the pump bag, even less can happen.
@@nextii7 yeah I hear it both ways, I try to use the bag or pump as much as I can. So far in all my experiences Ive never ruined one yet.
just get the Warbonnet Ridgerunner. it's the best lay flat hammock made
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$403 for the amok set up or 335 for a two in one 🤔
$?$
Comparing both the 22 june 2022 (from their web site) : Haven 324€ for 3473grams - DRAUM 550€ for 2865 grams with guidelines etc
Big difference in price
I like haven xl🥰🥰🥰
It is a pretty nice setup
Where i can buy?haven xl hammock? im from Philippines 🥰 thanks
@@mhabelalto3976 use the link in the description box
where the heck are you parked?
South end of Black Creek Lake, LBJ National Grasslands
why not use a ratchet strap for the trees. that just makes sense to me..
You absolutely could
Tried out the Amok now too and I am not really convinced by both products somehow. I found the haven tent a bit better even. Still not that convinced taking this out on a several days hike!
May not be for everybody.
Ive had no problem with my Amok with the Big Agnes airpad
@@LifeWithKernelLee na it’s just not my thing. I got sick somehow in it 😂. I am just not too much of an hammock guy I am afraid. Even I somehow like them. But not for camping I like my little home shelter on the ground. Never was an air person somehow. Afraid of heights too. Maybe just not my element. :)
@@weisswurstfruhstuck8523 haha, i hear ya
If the Haven only had a light weight version… hach
I mean, I love the tent aspect of the haven. You could use it on the floor, you could use it in a storm, you can make it shut
No doubt, i hear ya
Awsome video, im keeping my Amok =)
Cant go wrong there
At least the Amok won't put you on the ground in the middle of the night because the spreader pole goes thru the cheap ass pocket and ripped out the side of the Haven. I've gone thru 2 Havens in 2 years so I'm use to the Pop and Dump of the Haven.
Really? Cmon 😮
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If your hammock is sagging, it's not tight enough. Period. I own a Haven Tent XL and use the Therm-A-Rest Mondoking. I use ratchet straps as my hammock straps because they're easier, more reliable, and they don't have sag in them whatsoever. Your hammock has a ridgeline for a reason. Use it.
Yup
Got some new straps from onewind, should be much better
Like the idea of ratchet straps , good one !!😎👍👍
@@darrylthehorntoadpiper Yea they work really well. They make lightweight ones that are stupid durable too. Plus people forget with a Ridgeline, you don't need a 30° hang. The ends where rhe hammock are mounted to are already there at 30°
Outstanding! We have Warbonnets and Eagle Nests as well as Draumrs, and were considering the Haven. Like you, I'd give the not to the Amok for increased utility and better design if the pad begins to lose pressure. They both depend on the rigidity of the pad, but with the Draumr, there's almost a built in safety setup with those internal straps.
Those are nice hammocks, you are exactly right about the air pads giving structure. My haven pad failed, it will hold air for about 10 mins thens starts deflating. On the Amak I went with the Big Agnes pad, great air pad, love it.
Get in the draumr 5.0 from the side! So so so so much easier. It's not hard at all. It's painful watching you try to get in lol
Haha, yeah I tried from side but more comfortable the other way.
I think I'd go with a Haven, it just seems less complicated. And I'm not sitting next to a fire in a tent or hammock. That's what chairs/pads are made for.
It easier to put up and get in and out of
my breath came better after everyday 30min walk-run (3min walk - 1min 180spm very slow run - 3min walk - ...)
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If amok would put the rain cover integrated in the draummr it will be the perfect hammock...
Totally agree
Buy the tent and air pad and your $500 CDN in the hole.....it's a tent/hammock is it really worth that much? To find out you may not like it.
True
Amok has a 30 day money back guarantee- at least in Europe.
@@richardbutler4654 I don't know if that warranty is available here in Canada but still $500+ a hammock with no fly. The Haven provides a similar function with all the necessary features for $300.
@@vanislerider7311 price with fly and pad here in Sweden is about 100 dollars more than the haven
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Very welcome
For me, The amok is far more comfortable
It is pretty dang comfy
Haven all the way. Why? I can get up in the middle of the night, take a piss, and get back in my Haven without having my sleeping bag and everything else slide and shift all over the place while I get out and then back in. I was so close to getting the Draumr, but decided to go with the Haven. Wasn't even considering entry and exit at the time. I don't know why, as I always had that problem with my regular camping hammocks. Actually like the looks of the Draumr better. None of the videos even showed getting in and out while you have stuff in it though, so I didn't even think about it. Only reason I went with Haven was because my available funds shrunk a little before I decided. Glad I went with Haven now though. I tend to have to get up at least once per night. Sometimes twice. I'm in and out of my Haven super easy, and nothing moves around. Watch when he goes to get in the hammocks and imagine there is stuff in there like a sleeping bag, pillow, blanket, and other stuff. You would dump everything out of the Draumr trying to get in it. Especially pitch black in the middle of the night.
I think you made a great decision, both are comfy and unique. You are right about the Amok, getting in and out is a pain, usually I stuff everything that lose in pockets before i get in and out. Thanks for watching and happy camping
How’s the big net thou when getting in and out. With one zipper does it allow a lot of bugs to get in. Wish it had double zipper in XL model :(
Checked out the haven tent now in a bit more harsh conditions.
The hammock from the haven is Not to be used alone as a normal hammock. The shape makes you always hang with the butt on the Ground. Just doesn’t work.
The other big big issue is the silly fixing of the rain fly on the hammock itself. Especially when you fixed it to the ground with some lines. It’s just not doable from inside the hammock when it rains you have to go out but then you don’t come in anymore. Great :p. Not.
If we take a Look towards the Nightcat hammock tent they just solved this with two plastic clips. So easy! So nice! But nope the Haven for me is a half hearted product and not well thought out. And I will very likely send it back to them. Not worth the almost 400 bucks!
I hear ya, its not for everyone. Thanks for watching
@@LifeWithKernelLee yeah I just find it so disappointing as this could easily be a great great product! With few little adjustments and a bit more effort this would be the greatest tent/hammock option. Like this it’s just okay. It’s not bad. Don’t get me wrong. But for that price I can expect more.
I will go next now for the Draumr 5.0. I think this is a bit better thought out all in all.
@@weisswurstfruhstuck8523 yeah i think a few more mods to the haven and it could great.
Dude, not putting up the tarp with the Amok makes this whole comparison video next to, but not quite, worthless. I'm left thinking that you really need to find 4 trees in a cross pattern to get that Amok sucker under decent shelter. Or you have to guy out a couple of poles at the other corners. Also, You didn't bother to show the Haven fly deployed as a shelter. You set that up so low that you couldn't walk around under it without being crouched over.
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Rigth higth? Whats that, an American'ism? 😅 good stuff 👍
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Sorry if that came across toxic, was meant as a joke. Been too scared to get a hammock-tent in Prince George, lot of bear, moose, linx and angry squirrels 😫🐀
@@mtbalot ha, gotta watch out for those angry squirrels
Perché respiri come se avessi fatto una maratona? Are you ok?
Little allergies
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Hey brotha, it’s ok… breathe. We won’t judge you. Turn the damn camera off for 30 and catch your breath lol
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Lol he said we’re running out of light! Ha Ha I think you mean running out of Breath.
Thanks
some cool hammocks
Thanks, they are pretty nice
Good video but you sound like you’re having difficulty catching your breath.
New mic, need to turn the sensitivity down some
Tested both and I don’t like either of them actually. The haven is utter nonsense and children’s toy and the amok is also annoying and too heavy. I tell everyone to get a cheap bubble like sleeping pad that’s quite flexible and a onewind hammock and you’re good to go. You also can sleep on your side or even on your belly too depending on the pad. Plus this all together costs around 100 bucks. Proper sleeping bag and a nice tarp and that’s it for three seasons for sure. Switch out the pad for winter and the sleeping bag and you’re prepared for deepest winters.
Your right on, regular gathered end hammock camping can be quite comfy
You're out of breath all the time, and it kind of makes it more relatable to me. You put in the air matress the wrong way in the Amok, but other than that I appreciate the comparison. Definately getting the Amok over the Haven, I want that chair mode and view you get with it.
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I have 2 Havens & 1 AMOK. THE MATRESS ON THE HAVEN ARE JUNK!!! didn't even work 1 night! DONE WITH HAVEN.
Same on air pad, i have the xl and safari, I use different airpad and works great. Thermorest topo luxe xl pad
So as I see it the faven xl is a better bed that is easy to get in and out of and a more secure place to be in the night, while the amoc is a more comfortable chair during the day and a very risky place to be in the night or during bad events...thanks for your very political accessment.
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Amok seems that getting in it is a pain
It is a bit of a pain getting in and out for sure
The constant choking, coughing, grunting, and gagging is really off putting man not sure if you have GERD or what is goin on but get it checked out my dude.
Great review though and this is exactly the comparison I needed to make my decision thanks for the hard work!
I do it on purpose, people like it😂
It would have been nice to see this before buying 3 hammocks. In 2020, I decided to test hammock camping and bought a Hennessey and loved it.
I then decided to try it for my daily bed in my apartment. It worked nice, but I was curious whether flat sleeping would be better. My son kept trying to convince me that the floor was better.
So with all the hype, I got a Draumr 5.0. It takes a LOT of real estate in comparison, but was comfy *once in*. It also made a nice chair. However, it was unstable in that a cat would decide to join me and suddenly either I am almost standing up like I'm in a coffin ⚰️ stood up against a wall *or* on my head struggling with gravity in some weird yoga pose. Similar if I shifted in my sleep. I needed "sleep belts" like a 5 point harness! Great workout, but not why I bought the hammock. I even crashed/folded my stand a couple of times while rolling over, which I *never* did with the Hennessey. No damage to anything or anyone other than bruised ego and neighbors womdering what I was doing. Back to the Hennessey.
Then the Haven Safari came out and I saved up. It is too soon to tell, but it seems ok. (Just arrived today.) The Safari is significantly heavier material, it almost feels more like a canvas than the other two. The rainfly feels like a military tarp. The sit strap seemed not to work much for me, but time will tell. It is already cat approved, one came in and slept by my head, though he did seem to be having a challenge getting comfortable. Unlike the Hennessey, he can sleep on the pad and not my chest or legs. At unloaded lay, it is up about 24" up at the ends and didn't feel like my butt was hanging down like the Hennessey (even with full cross laying).
If I remember, I will edit to update later as I get more experience.
All 3 have their pros and cons.
Hennessey: Comparatively very light, easy to pack, setup and teardown. Snakeskins make it so I don't really need the stuff sack. Cross-lie, so still some "banana", but honestly very comfortable for me. Easy to wash!
My back gets cold with no underquilt or pad, even indoors! Some models have a pocket for a pad.
Draumr: Cadillac with lots of bells and whistles. Having the air mattress is nice, warms the back, kidneys and butt. The mattress is captured so it doesn't move. Lots of storage for small stuff and not enclosing for those borderline claustrophobics. Makes a good chair for lounging, reading a book etc.
Huge footprint. Somewhat unstable, especially entering, but even during use. I wouldn't want to wash it! It took me a while to figure out how it was twisted and contorted when I first got it to set it up.
Haven:
Easy setup. Stable. Warm underneath due to air mattress.
Pad isn't covered, so if not using a bag or something, you are right on the pad. I'm concerned about longevity and ease of washing the pad.
Man the struggle is real for sure. I dove into hammock camping a couple years ago as some of my friends swore by it. I tell ya, for me I can take an amazing nap in a hammock but cant sleep all night in one. The Haven was about the same due to air pad loosing air throughout the night leaving me in a taco crease. Ive since remedied the taco crease with a strap I run underneath. And just recently upgraded my pad with a Thermorest Mondo King xxl which fits perfect in the haven xl. As far as my best night sleep ever while camping was in my Amok 4.0. Once it cools off enough for me to use the haven with mondo king, Im betting it will be my new favorite.
They make pad cover now
@Life With Kernel Lee My pad was deflating too. They warranted it, and the replacement holds air for weeks.
@TheZakkmylde I grabbed one as soon as I could and man, both the warmth and the comfort. I highly recommend their cover.
Hmm, they wouldnt replace mine and Im even an affiliate for them.
None! LoL just use normal gather end hammock instead of some gimmicky hanging chair that completely defeats all the benefits of hammock and is hard to get into lol 😂
Haha, no doubt
Maybe that rancid smell was a Sasquatch - just sayin'
I bet is was
thats smell of the bigfoot be careful lol
Haha👣
so many know-it-alls
There are a bunch of them
Young man, you need to get to a cardiologist asap. You shouldn't be so out of breath so quickly after very little work.
Yeah, its the new microphone, the sensitivity is too high. It was amplifying my normal breathing
@@LifeWithKernelLee No! You are obviously having trouble. Don't break your family's hearts.
@@joycechampion3124 thank you for your concern. Im a bit out of shape from back injury. It is almost time for my yearly physical and will bring that up.
45 mins lol learn how to edit a video down. This could be like 10 minutes and it would cover everything that you need 🤣
Your the expert👍🏻
Okay, I’ll admit I’ve never slept in either, but the Amok design looks ridiculous. Hard to get in/out, and I wouldn’t rule out being flipped out if you move wrong while you sleep. Also looks like the net and rain fly are a pain to get on/off. Might be the reason you didn’t show it.
They are harder with the Amok but once situated it is super comfy.
Why u so outa breath bruh, Jesus…
New mic, sensitivity was set hi
@@LifeWithKernelLee This is not mic sensitivity... listen to your video...you are constantly clearing your throat or half coughing, winded, and out of breath. None of our business, but does really sound like gerd.
Haven XL is 100% better.
Cant go wrong with that choice
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