I love my Haven XL. The only 'weak point' IMHO is the pad. It takes forever to inflate if you dont have a pump, and even if you do, it takes awhile to get the mattress firm enough so it doesnt V in the middle. Even then, i have to top up the mattress before i go to bed if temperatures are dropping. Im thinking Im going to try the Thermarest Topo Luxe XL😮. It packs smaller and doesnt seem to lose air like the Haven ones. It would be great to see Haven do a collaberation with the factory that makes the Topo Luxe.
Thats a great point! I have had a very similar experience. The Haven pad takes a lot more attention than my regular pads. I completely agree that they need to collaborate with established brands that can produce a better pad.
Thing is, dropping temperatures that makes an air mattress less firm isn’t it losing air - it’s physics. Any air mattress will do that. The air literally takes up less volume when it’s cold. (That’s also why it’s worse when inflating with body temp air)
I originally bought the haven and used my own sleep pad. That did not work, I ended up having to get their pad anyway. The haven pad baffles are horizontal to help support the structural design. I suggest to just get their complete set.
Love your video! My friend and I bought our haven tents because of your review, and we would love a more in-depth how-to of how you pack and unpack your haven tent to get such an easy set up! Thanks!!
Glad to hear! I hope you get years of use out of this tent. I will see if my wife is available to do the camera work tomorrow, and I can post a clearer video. It is actually crazy simple, and a video should make it much easier to understand. Make sure to like/subscribe, I will see if I can knock that video out for you tomorrow.
Definitely give it a look. If you are looking to do ultralight hiking/backpacking the unit is on the heavy side. For my boundary waters trips I will bring nothing else, and choose to cut weight in other areas. For 99% of what most people do the weight is 0 factor especially for the features and ease of use. Still worth the higher price in my opinion. As a younger man, I could do the tent with no pad. I am not so young or skinny anymore and hate crawling into and out of tents.
I've been considering this piece of gear for use in the boundary waters. Terrific to hear you talk about that sock hack cuz, damn, the bugs up here are no joke when you're out in the wild.
The skeets are no joke up there. I have done 3 extended trips thus far in the BWCA, as well as Rainy Lake with this system, and I am pleased. Just keep in mind that it is on the heavy side. That weight is worth it to me.
@@LuckyLoonOutdoors Well I'm on the north side of half a century, 5'11' and 220lbs. I intend to get the safari model since durability is key for me. I'll be 'hiking' this thing in a cart full of other gear for about 100yds so weight isn't an issue. Do you think this solution would do well for extended emplacements? The tarp I'm using gets put up and stays up spring-fall. Do you think this is well enough made to withstand that type of abuse?
@humansustainability Good questions. The safari is supposed to be a bit tougher, and the side strap allows you to "pinch" the sides, allowing you to sit in the hammock with your legs out comfortably. I have used mine heavily for over 2 years now without any signs of trouble. I believe that the materials will hold up pretty well, and if not in direct sunlight all the time will probably give you a longer service life. The good thing is that the components are replaceable. So if the net rips, zip it off and zip on a new one. If the tarp fails, remove and install a new one. If a pole breaks, can install a new one. Due to these reasons, I think you will get the most use out of this system.
Great review I just hit the 2 year mark on my haven done just over 80 days in it over that time so its got plenty of use. going to have to get the clips for the guylines good tip for that. One thing id suggest is picking up onewind cinch buckles with straps from a mazon like 12 bucks. They make adjusting the hammock real easy as you just pull to tighten.
Thank you. thats a Really helpful comment. I will look into those straps. The first thing I did was replace the stock straps with another set I had for more length and adjustability. Clinch buckles make a ton of sense.
Like you I started with the standard size and sent it back for the XL. I'm 5'10", 200 lbs and fit nicely. Love the idea about closing the gap with a sock. I've had mine for around 3 years, used it in the BWCA and most recently on my trip for the eclipse in early April. At the moment I'm trying to find someone near Duluth who can sew a couple of small tears near the end of the zipper on one end of the hammock. I did invest in the Power Pump and glad I did. Overall, I love this set-up and don't plan to go back to sleeping on the ground.
I have used this as well in the BWCA. Its on the heavy side, but it's absolutely worth it. If the tear you have is on the net side, you can order a replacement net for it. If the tear is on the hammock side, you will def need it repaired. Rub a bar of soap or other lubricant on the zippers, it will help them a lot. I finally broke down and bought a power pump (Flextail zero). Its absolutely worth it. I am glad to hear you like yours and have gotten some really good use out of it. If I was them, I would just stop making the regular size, and make the XL the new standard. When people 5ft 10in cant lay in the regular....its too small.
Really enjoyed your vid. Others are good quality like yours but yours is more informative and I see you are replying to many comments, nice work. Also, 2 YEAR REVIEW. That can't be understated vs the other vids. You're the only one that mentioned the bugs and the solution. My main question is about persistent rain. How is that water not getting down my tree lines and into my tent? Doesn't matter what tent system you have, after so many days of rain, it starts failing. Where does this tent start failing? One situation I'm thinking of - I don't have a vehicle to use, I gotta keep my backpack dry. Can I hang it from the tree line, inside my tent? Yes it would be tight in there but can I still sleep fine? Putting it under the tent doesn't seem great for all but the lightest of rains and I don't like the possibility of it being grabbed or searched easily while away. Also seems like strong wind will blow rain directly on tent surface. I like your system of just outta the bag, clip, clip, blow and done. Easy. If rain is bad then is making the tarp separate from tent produce a drier interior? If the wet tarp is touching tent, does moisture get through? In storm mode with tarp attached to tent, is it unbearably hot? Basically how does this tent fare when weather conditions suck? Thanks a bunch for the video and your time, you da best.
Hi, thank you for watching! I will do my best to answer your questions. 1. I have not had this in more rain than single thunderstorms/overnight storms. Nothing more than a days worth of rain at a time. The tree lines are a strap style, meaning the rain runs down the strap, then runs down the strap tail that's hanging towards the ground. I have never gotten wet or had rain get inside. 2. The main line is completely inside of the tent, the tarp covers everything. There is plenty of room to hang your bag inside off the main line. The tent even comes with caribiners just for that purpose. Also, it allows you to slide the bag anywhere within the tent. If there is wind blown rain thats the best option. When you unclip the guy lines and put the tent in "storm mode" you will be just fine inside. The only instance of moisture i have inside is from breathing, and the condensation runs down the inside of the tarm and drips to the outside.(I get condensation in MN when its warmer in the day, 30s at night) 3. Storm mode has worked fine for me, but using it in MN and Wisconsin, I have never experienced being hot and in a storm at the same time. So experience will vary depending on climate. I imagine it would get warm inside if it was in storm mode and over 80 degrees. I have only had to put it in storm mode a couple times. Most of the time, tightening the guy lines works just fine, its really just if the wind picks up then your gonna do the extra step. I recommend 100% purchasing better/longer tree straps as the stock ones are too short in my opinion. I already had other straps so I have just been using those. Let me know if you have other questions or if I missed anything.
That's a very nice Hammock. I especially like all of the visibility and openness of it. Have you ever considered using a set of Snake Skins to pack everything in ? I use a Jungle Hammock that I can lay on the diagonal in. Using a set of mesh snake skins. I slip the skins over the gear and pack it away. I can curl them up and put them in my Backpack or the front pocket. (front pocket is the rain fly is wet.) Sometimes a set of skins for the hammock and a set for a large rain fly. When separately the rain fly stays in the skins unless it looks like rain but it is there if needed. Setting up is simple , tie off one end then tie off the other end and slid the skins back.
thank you for watching. I have never used snake skins before. They look like a good option for my regular hammock. I would be curious how well they would work with this setup. I suspect you would have to separate the rain fly from the hammock to make it work. The way it is now my hammock never touches the ground, and I leave everything setup since the rain fly is built in. My second video on this hammock shows that better.
I have a Lawson with an underpart for equipment. I like it a lot, both for hanging and on the ground mounting. It worked very well going on long motorbike rides in Europe.
Your review is very well thought out and informative. And it’s nice to watch a video that the author isn’t a camera hog and trying to be the next big thing…
Thanks for posting such a thorough review. I purchased a Hennesey hammock(HH) about 14 years ago and have only used it twice... and neither time was i able to get any sleep in it. I'm a side sleeper, and sometimes a stomach sleeper, and that's just not feasible in the HH. Another negative of the HH is that you enter from the bottom-foot end of the hammock, and the slit you enter through has velcro that closes behind you. That works okay IF you first get into your sleeping bag while standing on the ground, THEN enter the slit and get situated. And if it's winter time and you want to use an insulated pad underneath you, you WILL get warmed up with all of the moving around you'll have to do getting everything situated. It just wasn't that great in my opinion. This Haven XL looks like a much more functional design. I'm just shy of 6' and 200#, so your size recommendations are very much appreciated. And I'm glad the XL is the one size that is in green and camo. 😃
Fantastic overview! I just ordered a Haven XL with the same digicam rain fly and their new true level sleeping mat. Looking forward to getting to use it. Also, great tip with the sock to keep the skeeters out. HOOAH!
I like my Haven XL but find the straps too short and the matt tends to deflate through the night and that effects the lay flat capability. It is a great unit for sitting in and hanging out, well made and overall I love it but I no longer use mine since I bought a Helsdon hammock. The Haven company are great people to deal with and genuinely stand behind their product. I enjoyed the video and I've seen a lot of Haven XL videos!
thank you for the comment! At the end of last season, my matt stopped keeping full deflation through the night. The 1st thing I did was replace the straps. When this season starts I will keep an eye on the matt and address if needed. I will take a look at the other one you mentioned.
Nice tent, I think a kellyvkeytle would go great with this kit. I hear there’s lots on right and whiney things in the army now adays. Thankfully there’s some decent made material we can still buy now adays. Ive been using Hennessy hammocks for awhile , but this one is great too! Hopefully American made.
going to my wish list. i have difficulty to sleep in hammock because i change positions and like to sleep on the side and "superman" style. Plus I like this has closed head side.
Hi! So the rainfly that comes with is solid. You also can leave everything attached when you store it back in the bag. No need to take anything apart after you put it together for the 1st time.
I dont wash it, but it has been through a lot of rain storms. I treated the zippers with soap to help them open/close easier. I also dont live in a dessert. It has been on multiple week long trips to the BWCA, Rainy Lake, Tomahawk WI, as well as many other shorter trips all over Minnesota and Wisconsin. When I first got it, I slept in it for a week straight in my campground to test it out in prep for its first trip (1 week in the BWCA). That trip we canoed and portaged 24 miles into the interior before coming back out a week later.
@@LuckyLoonOutdoors - A good chunk of the weight is in the pad, I think. When you think about it, it really isn't much different weight-wise than a tent with a pad. Might even be lighter. So maybe I'm complaining about something that isn't all that bad.
how is it if you lay on it without their matress? i have a neoair xlite large-wide and i really like to use it, plus it is very lightweight. would it work?
There is definitely enough room for a pack underneath. As far as weight goes, that's tough. Overall, this package has a decent amount of weight, but you do get a lot. You will need to compare weights between kits to decide what's important for you. This kit includes a rainfly, insulated pad, and the hammock. If I was ultralight camping I would take a small ground tent instead. But if I wanted to be comfortable and off the ground, this one is at the top of my list, Only rivaled by the Kammock Mantis UL. I am not in my 20's anymore, so a good camp chair and sleep system are at the top of my list now.
I honestly don't understand how the rain fly works if it is in contact with the rest of the tent. When a normal rain fly lies against a tent, the water seeps in - that's why you've got the air gap between the inner part and the fly. So, how does it work if you're in an actual rain storm, and the fly is tucked in nice and cozy like you show?
The rain fly is not in contact with the tent, especially when you are in it. there is a gap. condensation runs down the inside and drips to the ground. My second video shows this a little better.
That is the largest friction point on this system. There are lighter options out there, that have different features. If you do cold weather camping, thats where the gap lessens. Other systems require an underquilt, tarp, net, etc. The added weight of those items close the weight gap. The longest out there trip I took with this system was a 7 day canoe trip in the boundary waters canoe area. We traveled 22 miles into the interior through multiple portages and lakes. The weight was noticeable, but comfort was next to none. Another person in the group had the same system, and another had the Kammock mantis UL. All 3 performed well, but both systems are significantly different.
Couple questions: If I wanted to leave it up year round, do you think it would handle that well? seems to be pretty durable. my cheap $40 hammock made it through a full year, with some minor bug net holes now. Maybe with a sleeve? like the waterproof hammock sleeve snake skin by Bear Butt? idk if it would fit.. but worth a shot maybe 2nd question: Do you think two small people could fit? in a pinch? say 130lbs per person. or even comfortably if I wanted to? Your video was extremely informative and offered a lot of great insights! Thank you so much for going through even the small nitpicks. Its really going to help me be prepared for mine, especially the mosquitos getting in at the top solution. Bonus: Still using that same pillow? If so, what is it and does it stay in place well enough to be comfortable?
Hi. thank you for watching and commenting and hopefully subscribing, lol. I am going to do my best to answer your questions. I am not sure how it would hold up to being left up year round out in the elements. It's not designed for that. However, I bet if you removed the sleeping mat and spreader bars, it may fit inside that sleeve which would be a good option. The UV is what is really hard on materials. Funny you mention Bear Butt. I have one of the first hammocks and bug nets they ever made. The straps in my haven video are actually Bear Butt straps I have been using for about 8 years! I actually rent out that OG bear butt hammock at my campground. I think if you had 2 small people around 130lbs you could make it work. laying opposite directions. I wouldnt do it as a long term camping solution, but just hanging out or in a pinch, yes. I use the Sea to summit, Aeros premium pillow. I dont remember which size. To figure that out, open up your sleep system and figure out which size would fit better inside of it. I never have a problem with it moving around because it is captured in the head of my sleeping bag. However, on hot nights I sometimes use the bag as a blanket, pillow still works just fine. I find that airing the pillow down a little is the most comfortable for me. I have 0 plans of replacing it.
Thanks for the great insight! Have you slept on the ground with it? The reason I'm most interested in this is it's versatility. If I'm going for just a hammock I'm considering the amok draumr otherwise.
I actually have not slept on the ground with it yet. I have a super light backpacking tent that I use for that, which I take instead if I am going to a place that requires it.
@@LuckyLoonOutdoors thanks for the response! Could be a good opportunity for another video! I haven't come across anyone who has extensive experience with both and I'd love a pros and cons!
Its $335 for the setup that I have. Which is 302EUR. So not sure why the price is so high for you. Even at 302EUR its still on the higher end. Worth it for me, but if it is really 450EUR where you are, thats $500 here, I could not justify that high of a price.
I have noticed that it would deflate a little after laying in it. But once I gave it another shot of air, it was fine after that. I will see what happens this season. My experience with Haven customer service has been very good, so if I do start having issues, I have confidence they will help.
how do you deal with the State Parks in Minnesota not allowing hammocks for fear of "damaging the trees"? Just avoid them? I live in east central MN with four kid, but we all use hammocks.
I had no idea that was a thing, and have been using the hammock this entire time and have never been bothered about it. If I was bothered about it, the haven tent can be used as a ground tent as well.
Looks like per the state of MN website hammocks are allowed. It is possible that there is a specific park that does not allow them. MN website below: www.dnr.state.mn.us/state_parks/hammocking.html#:~:text=Hammocks%20are%20allowed%20in%20public%20use%20areas%3A%20Campsites%2C%20picnic%20areas,and%20other%20day%20use%20areas.&text=Hanging%20your%20hammock%3A,be%20hung%20over%20mowed%20areas*.
Is this normally how tight yo I always have it? Just wondering cause have seen a bunch of videos where people had it this tight and it tore right at where you hook the suspension to the tent. I use one long hanging strap. Its 24 foot long to hook to nearly any two trees. With the same exact hook up spots in the one long strap. This way its the exact same tension every single time. Just an idea I did.
I really like your idea. The more rigid you make the main line, the better. Just dont go nuts. I usually keep mine pretty tight. When it comes to the rainfly, I just keep it snug.
I would not do so as poles would likely rub a hole over time. I did try saving money when I initially purchased it by using my own pad. My pad fit, but the baffles go head to toe, instead of side to side. This caused the pad to curl too much when laying on it. I ended up getting their pad, and it has worked fine so far.
@@LuckyLoonOutdoors OK thanks. for the reply It could be possible to protect the corners of the Haven by putting the poles into tennis balls with a hole in or something like that.
Hi, Good question. I honestly cant remember at the moment. I know each side of the hammock has its own zipper. but I dont think each side has a double zipper. This means that regardless of which side of the hammock you are on. It has its own zipper and will mirror the functions of the opposite side. Therefore, regardless of which side you are on, it will be the same.
Like an angry 5 year old kid throwing stuff around and slinging stuff, lol! Just kidding, cool video, learn something about the Haven tent. Thanks for having this video up. 👍
How could have you camped with the setup? I just got mine today, and it was 70 2 days ago, today 32 and had 8" of snow drop lol. I cold camp quite a bit so i have good bags. Never have hammock camped much below 50 though.
Being in MN, we have a lot of temp swings at certain times of the year. I use the haven insulated pad, and i use the North Face One Sleeping bag. I am able to stay pretty comfortable from 30 degrees up to about 75ish. I have not used this setup under around 30 degrees yet, so cant provide much feedback there.
Well I set mine up for tonight. Low of 24. I have a form pass on top of the sleeping pad, so hopefully I'll be good. I'm only using my 40 degree bag with a blanket. I have a Marmot -40, but no way I could use that with these temps lol. Happy camping!
@DougRowan_photography How did the setup work for you at that temp? I was considering doing a night in our cold temps, but we are in the middle of a blizzard, and we already have over 10-12" of snow at my house.....started with green grass.
@@LuckyLoonOutdoors I had an egg crate piece of foam on top of the air pad, 40 degree bag, a 12v heated blanket and 2 down camping blankets. I got settled in to watch tv and immediately realized 2 things... 1 I was way warmer than expected, both camping blankets were stuffed to the side of me to keep the wind from blowing in, heated blanket off and kicked to my feet. I watched tv for 2 hours with nothing on top of me other then the sleeping bag half laying on me. Temp did drop a couple degrees about then and I used the sleeping bag to cover up but it was not zipped at all. I slept great, but did wake up around 2 and pulled one of the blankets over my legs-feet. I didn't have socks on, light sweat pants and light long sleeve shirt and was more then warm. Only cold I ever felt was the occasional wind but it was minor. I will say as I've gotten older I'm a bit claustrophobic and I did open up the flap a couple times lol. But I think that was more about having too many blankets and it being cramped. I'll experiment more tonight, I'm off tue-wed. Supposed to rain but closer to 50.
not a problem. So when you are in it your weight further separates the hammock from the rainfly. So if there is any condensation, it runs down and out without getting into the hammock part. pretty Slick. My second video shows that better.
Your rear end sits a little bit lower, but it results in a sleeping position similar to a home mattress. I also run a Big Agnes sleeping mat in my ground tents, this hammock is more comfortable than a tent setup for me, just make sure your mat is fully inflated and you are good. Life, farm life, and the Army have not been kind to my body. I find that I keep going back to this setup over the others. No more crawling around on the ground, and more forgiving to my back/knees. I am 5ft 10" 220lbs for reference.
I really wish you didn't gloss over the inflation of the sleeping pad. How did you inflate it? Because if you think self inflating is hard or too long, I don't know what to think. I would personally prefer the bag that came with it to inflate it because I don't want my breath to put moisture and mold INSIDE the bag. I'm looking to hike long term. Nightly inflations over hundreds of miles equates to mold.
You can inflate the pad via any method you prefer. I now use a flextail zero pump. The bag method was really frustrating. Given your situation, I believe that pump would probably be a good solution for you. I also have a video about that pump on the channel.
@@LuckyLoonOutdoors okay! I’m gonna look for it on your channel. I think this is going to be my next sleep system. To be able to combine laying flat and suspended in the air is the best of both worlds.
It's funny, everyone I speak to about this system that has it tends to love it. The common theme is we all agree its heavy, but because of the comfort and ease of use we have all just accepted it. The older you are the more this becomes true.
@@LuckyLoonOutdoors thanks for the reply. It’s too heavy for me. That’s a gallon of water. A gallon of water is 8lbs. The price isn’t that bad I would pay that but I can’t do the weight. It’s too much for long hikes. My base weight doesn’t need to go above 31lbs. I’m sitting there now with the set up I got. Take out my chair and I might could drop my weight a pound or two but even then it doesn’t make up the difference. My hammock now weighs 3 pounds. 2 and some change but I say 3. I could squeeze 5 lbs and even thats pushing it and taking a chair away. I’ll just keep looking. Maybe one day I will find one like I want!
@josephspruill1212 This one is def not the setup for cutting weight. that weight includes a rainfly, insulated pad, hammock, and straps. If you go to the lightest weight version its 7lbs .5oz. I am old enough now where I just carry the extra weight for the comfort. Even then my canoe does most of the work. Take a look at the kammock mantis ultralight. I purchased that setup for my brother. Its more tedious to get setup right but it cuts a lot of weight. the weight gap starts to close when things get colder. but otherwise its a little over 2lbs.
@@LuckyLoonOutdoors yeah you have canoe to get around in etc, I’m walking everywhere I go. I hiked from GA to Maine on the AT trail. I’ve hike the Colorado trail. The smallest was the Colorado trail. And it’s 486 miles. That three months of walking my friend, Day in day out too. So how you get around makes a big difference. When I was in the military we carried 45-50 lbs yet we didn’t ruck that far. We also got picked up along the route a lotto by heli or truck. Yet there is no river where I go. It’s nothing out a trail in the woods that leads you thousands of miles away. I hike the cdt. Next spring I’m hiking the pct and you can call me a triple crowner for hiking all three mayors in the USA. I’ve hike the one in Spain. I’ve hike all over Europe. I even hike the Himalayans before.i would like to hike all majors across the world. I don’t have to work anymore so I can take all the time I need too. Again thanks for getting back with me. I hate it wasn’t a fit for my style. I will find one somewhere. I see one before yet they wanted an arm and a leg for it. It was over $600 after taxes. I’m good they love it more than I do thats for sure. I get military discount yet it’s not enough to fix that price…..
Dang thats expensive. I never did a lot of hiking camping over 30 miles or so. Ive always done canoe camping or Army sponsored "camping". So, hearing from someone who has some time and distance in that type of hiking is great. Completing those trails is a big accomplishment! I am curious about the colorado trail. I have only seen small pieces of it, when climing to a couple peaks, and a couple short out and backs while visiting.
I had to go back and look at the video. The vine is Virginia Creeper, native to Minnesota. Commonly confused with poison Ivy as the leaves look very similar. However, poison ivy is in groups of 3 leaves, Virginia creeper is in groups of 5, as seen in this video.
You wish you had reflective line in the Army? WOW. Hopefully you didn't didn't serve in combat unit. I tend to not like things lighting up showing my position.
When in a training environment, having reflective lines would have been nice. Many units tend to put chemical lights or engineer tape on the guy lines in high traffic areas so guests and soldiers alike dont take themselves out. OBVIOUSLY, in a combat environment, you would not do that. Didn't think any of this needed saying. Also, I am sure EVERY VETERAN remembers having to wear a reflective PT belt over their chest deployed or not while walking around a FOB or installation. LOLOL!
bro really just asked why they didn't have shiny tent ropes that show really good at night. Hmm, why would a military not want to be seen at night. lol.
If you were in the military, then you would know. Everyone knows we are there, everyone wears reflective belts to avoid accidents, and we put chem lights on the tent roping to try and avoid injury. In conditions where reflective tent roping would be a problem...we dont typically setup tents.
@@LuckyLoonOutdoors And 3,5 kilos is not THAT heavy. It's like 3 liters of water BUT FOR A COMFY SLEEPING ARRANGEMENT. The other video I watched was on about the sagging in the middle though. What do you think about that?
@obiwanfisher537 It does sag a little bit in the middle at your hips. You can and should ensure the sleeping mat is filled completely. It is supposed to sag a little. the same thing happens when you lay on your bed. But if you dont keep the pad inflated well, it can sag too much, then the issue becomes the sides will roll in, and your shoulders will bend in resulting in discomfort.
@@LuckyLoonOutdoorsSounds like a rope net underneath would give it more stability and give a better base for the mat. I always hated sleeping in the hammock as I move a love and like to sleep on my stomach but i spent years sleeping in one as a backpacker. Wish I had heard about this hammock waaaay earlier.
Hammocks are risky. You are confined and have zero egress in an emergency. You are also vulnerable to attack. Nope nope nope. A good ground sleeping system and modern tents beat the brakes of hammocks nowadays
lol how many -time- *times* have you been attacked in your tent 😂 not something you need to worry about. Also, you’re equally confined with the same number of ingress and egress points as a common tent. Stick to a tent if you so choose, but don’t pretend it’s bc the number of doors and monsters.
I love my Haven XL. The only 'weak point' IMHO is the pad. It takes forever to inflate if you dont have a pump, and even if you do, it takes awhile to get the mattress firm enough so it doesnt V in the middle. Even then, i have to top up the mattress before i go to bed if temperatures are dropping. Im thinking Im going to try the Thermarest Topo Luxe XL😮. It packs smaller and doesnt seem to lose air like the Haven ones. It would be great to see Haven do a collaberation with the factory that makes the Topo Luxe.
Thats a great point! I have had a very similar experience. The Haven pad takes a lot more attention than my regular pads. I completely agree that they need to collaborate with established brands that can produce a better pad.
Thing is, dropping temperatures that makes an air mattress less firm isn’t it losing air - it’s physics. Any air mattress will do that. The air literally takes up less volume when it’s cold. (That’s also why it’s worse when inflating with body temp air)
Will the Thermorest fit into the corners?
I originally bought the haven and used my own sleep pad. That did not work, I ended up having to get their pad anyway. The haven pad baffles are horizontal to help support the structural design. I suggest to just get their complete set.
It will. Same dimensions
Love your video! My friend and I bought our haven tents because of your review, and we would love a more in-depth how-to of how you pack and unpack your haven tent to get such an easy set up! Thanks!!
Glad to hear! I hope you get years of use out of this tent. I will see if my wife is available to do the camera work tomorrow, and I can post a clearer video.
It is actually crazy simple, and a video should make it much easier to understand. Make sure to like/subscribe, I will see if I can knock that video out for you tomorrow.
I have posted a video thanks to your suggestion:
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What a fantastic piece of kit. I'll definitely be looking to get one of these.
Definitely give it a look. If you are looking to do ultralight hiking/backpacking the unit is on the heavy side. For my boundary waters trips I will bring nothing else, and choose to cut weight in other areas. For 99% of what most people do the weight is 0 factor especially for the features and ease of use. Still worth the higher price in my opinion. As a younger man, I could do the tent with no pad. I am not so young or skinny anymore and hate crawling into and out of tents.
I've been considering this piece of gear for use in the boundary waters. Terrific to hear you talk about that sock hack cuz, damn, the bugs up here are no joke when you're out in the wild.
The skeets are no joke up there. I have done 3 extended trips thus far in the BWCA, as well as Rainy Lake with this system, and I am pleased. Just keep in mind that it is on the heavy side. That weight is worth it to me.
@@LuckyLoonOutdoors Well I'm on the north side of half a century, 5'11' and 220lbs. I intend to get the safari model since durability is key for me. I'll be 'hiking' this thing in a cart full of other gear for about 100yds so weight isn't an issue.
Do you think this solution would do well for extended emplacements? The tarp I'm using gets put up and stays up spring-fall. Do you think this is well enough made to withstand that type of abuse?
@humansustainability Good questions. The safari is supposed to be a bit tougher, and the side strap allows you to "pinch" the sides, allowing you to sit in the hammock with your legs out comfortably.
I have used mine heavily for over 2 years now without any signs of trouble. I believe that the materials will hold up pretty well, and if not in direct sunlight all the time will probably give you a longer service life. The good thing is that the components are replaceable. So if the net rips, zip it off and zip on a new one. If the tarp fails, remove and install a new one. If a pole breaks, can install a new one. Due to these reasons, I think you will get the most use out of this system.
Excellent review. More comprehensive than the Haven site!
Im glad it helped. Before I bought it, I couldnt find any good reviews on it, so I figured I would help folks out.
Great review I just hit the 2 year mark on my haven done just over 80 days in it over that time so its got plenty of use. going to have to get the clips for the guylines good tip for that. One thing id suggest is picking up onewind cinch buckles with straps from a mazon like 12 bucks. They make adjusting the hammock real easy as you just pull to tighten.
Thank you. thats a Really helpful comment. I will look into those straps. The first thing I did was replace the stock straps with another set I had for more length and adjustability. Clinch buckles make a ton of sense.
Like you I started with the standard size and sent it back for the XL. I'm 5'10", 200 lbs and fit nicely. Love the idea about closing the gap with a sock. I've had mine for around 3 years, used it in the BWCA and most recently on my trip for the eclipse in early April. At the moment I'm trying to find someone near Duluth who can sew a couple of small tears near the end of the zipper on one end of the hammock. I did invest in the Power Pump and glad I did. Overall, I love this set-up and don't plan to go back to sleeping on the ground.
I have used this as well in the BWCA. Its on the heavy side, but it's absolutely worth it.
If the tear you have is on the net side, you can order a replacement net for it. If the tear is on the hammock side, you will def need it repaired. Rub a bar of soap or other lubricant on the zippers, it will help them a lot. I finally broke down and bought a power pump (Flextail zero). Its absolutely worth it. I am glad to hear you like yours and have gotten some really good use out of it. If I was them, I would just stop making the regular size, and make the XL the new standard. When people 5ft 10in cant lay in the regular....its too small.
I have two of these. You gave me some good ideas.
glad to hear, always happy to help. If there is anything worthwhile to share please do.
Really enjoyed your vid. Others are good quality like yours but yours is more informative and I see you are replying to many comments, nice work. Also, 2 YEAR REVIEW. That can't be understated vs the other vids. You're the only one that mentioned the bugs and the solution. My main question is about persistent rain. How is that water not getting down my tree lines and into my tent? Doesn't matter what tent system you have, after so many days of rain, it starts failing. Where does this tent start failing? One situation I'm thinking of - I don't have a vehicle to use, I gotta keep my backpack dry. Can I hang it from the tree line, inside my tent? Yes it would be tight in there but can I still sleep fine? Putting it under the tent doesn't seem great for all but the lightest of rains and I don't like the possibility of it being grabbed or searched easily while away. Also seems like strong wind will blow rain directly on tent surface. I like your system of just outta the bag, clip, clip, blow and done. Easy. If rain is bad then is making the tarp separate from tent produce a drier interior? If the wet tarp is touching tent, does moisture get through? In storm mode with tarp attached to tent, is it unbearably hot? Basically how does this tent fare when weather conditions suck? Thanks a bunch for the video and your time, you da best.
Hi, thank you for watching! I will do my best to answer your questions.
1. I have not had this in more rain than single thunderstorms/overnight storms. Nothing more than a days worth of rain at a time.
The tree lines are a strap style, meaning the rain runs down the strap, then runs down the strap tail that's hanging towards the ground. I have never gotten wet or had rain get inside.
2. The main line is completely inside of the tent, the tarp covers everything. There is plenty of room to hang your bag inside off the main line. The tent even comes with caribiners just for that purpose. Also, it allows you to slide the bag anywhere within the tent. If there is wind blown rain thats the best option.
When you unclip the guy lines and put the tent in "storm mode" you will be just fine inside. The only instance of moisture i have inside is from breathing, and the condensation runs down the inside of the tarm and drips to the outside.(I get condensation in MN when its warmer in the day, 30s at night)
3. Storm mode has worked fine for me, but using it in MN and Wisconsin, I have never experienced being hot and in a storm at the same time. So experience will vary depending on climate. I imagine it would get warm inside if it was in storm mode and over 80 degrees. I have only had to put it in storm mode a couple times. Most of the time, tightening the guy lines works just fine, its really just if the wind picks up then your gonna do the extra step.
I recommend 100% purchasing better/longer tree straps as the stock ones are too short in my opinion. I already had other straps so I have just been using those.
Let me know if you have other questions or if I missed anything.
Dang wish I had this the last 20 years! Very nice review and break down, they should give you some sales cash! 🤑
I am glad I could help. Maybe someday I will get some cash. But if I can help folks out, thats the first and foremost goal.
That's a very nice Hammock. I especially like all of the visibility and openness of it. Have you ever considered using a set of Snake Skins to pack everything in ? I use a Jungle Hammock that I can lay on the diagonal in. Using a set of mesh snake skins. I slip the skins over the gear and pack it away. I can curl them up and put them in my Backpack or the front pocket. (front pocket is the rain fly is wet.) Sometimes a set of skins for the hammock and a set for a large rain fly. When separately the rain fly stays in the skins unless it looks like rain but it is there if needed. Setting up is simple , tie off one end then tie off the other end and slid the skins back.
thank you for watching. I have never used snake skins before. They look like a good option for my regular hammock. I would be curious how well they would work with this setup. I suspect you would have to separate the rain fly from the hammock to make it work. The way it is now my hammock never touches the ground, and I leave everything setup since the rain fly is built in. My second video on this hammock shows that better.
I have a Lawson with an underpart for equipment. I like it a lot, both for hanging and on the ground mounting. It worked very well going on long motorbike rides in Europe.
Your review is very well thought out and informative. And it’s nice to watch a video that the author isn’t a camera hog and trying to be the next big thing…
I appreciate the comment. My goal is just to help folks out. I honestly dont like being in front of the camera much, but happy to help!
Great video. For all the thought they put into this I’m really surprised the bug screen only has one zipper. That seems like a pain.
Might have to retire my Clark for this one! Great review.....thanks!
Great review,been thinking of getting one.wish it had a lower hammock under neth for packs,shoes etc.things you dont want wet in. The tent with you
Thanks for posting such a thorough review. I purchased a Hennesey hammock(HH) about 14 years ago and have only used it twice... and neither time was i able to get any sleep in it. I'm a side sleeper, and sometimes a stomach sleeper, and that's just not feasible in the HH. Another negative of the HH is that you enter from the bottom-foot end of the hammock, and the slit you enter through has velcro that closes behind you. That works okay IF you first get into your sleeping bag while standing on the ground, THEN enter the slit and get situated. And if it's winter time and you want to use an insulated pad underneath you, you WILL get warmed up with all of the moving around you'll have to do getting everything situated. It just wasn't that great in my opinion. This Haven XL looks like a much more functional design. I'm just shy of 6' and 200#, so your size recommendations are very much appreciated. And I'm glad the XL is the one size that is in green and camo. 😃
Thank you for watching, and I am glad that my review was helpfull! I have another video that goes into setup/tear down you may find usefull.
Fantastic overview! I just ordered a Haven XL with the same digicam rain fly and their new true level sleeping mat. Looking forward to getting to use it. Also, great tip with the sock to keep the skeeters out. HOOAH!
Glad the review was helpfull for you! Thank you for watching. Report back on that new sleeping mat, I am SUPER curious as to how well it works.
I like my Haven XL but find the straps too short and the matt tends to deflate through the night and that effects the lay flat capability. It is a great unit for sitting in and hanging out, well made and overall I love it but I no longer use mine since I bought a Helsdon hammock. The Haven company are great people to deal with and genuinely stand behind their product. I enjoyed the video and I've seen a lot of Haven XL videos!
thank you for the comment! At the end of last season, my matt stopped keeping full deflation through the night. The 1st thing I did was replace the straps.
When this season starts I will keep an eye on the matt and address if needed. I will take a look at the other one you mentioned.
Nice tent, I think a kellyvkeytle would go great with this kit. I hear there’s lots on right and whiney things in the army now adays. Thankfully there’s some decent made material we can still buy now adays. Ive been using Hennessy hammocks for awhile , but this one is great too! Hopefully American made.
going to my wish list. i have difficulty to sleep in hammock because i change positions and like to sleep on the side and "superman" style. Plus I like this has closed head side.
This tent is a pretty good option. It has its quarks. But overall, I would buy it again. Especially as a side sleeper.
Hooah, Thanks for your service. Army Vet here as well. Would you recommend keeping the rain fly with it or maybe using a different tarp?
Hi! So the rainfly that comes with is solid. You also can leave everything attached when you store it back in the bag. No need to take anything apart after you put it together for the 1st time.
Hey Justin it would be great if you compared this Nemo tent against the new Durston dome tent.
Thanks been thinking about buying the XL great review 😊
Glad I could help!
Oof. That pack is like big. That's a lot of space taken up in a camp kit. But it does look really cool.
This hammock was 2 years in heavy use but looks brand new? Not even dust in zippers?
I dont wash it, but it has been through a lot of rain storms. I treated the zippers with soap to help them open/close easier. I also dont live in a dessert.
It has been on multiple week long trips to the BWCA, Rainy Lake, Tomahawk WI, as well as many other shorter trips all over Minnesota and Wisconsin. When I first got it, I slept in it for a week straight in my campground to test it out in prep for its first trip (1 week in the BWCA). That trip we canoed and portaged 24 miles into the interior before coming back out a week later.
I love these. I have 3. Most comfortable sleep ever. Just wish it was lighter, but watcha gonna do?
I think that the next thing they will work on is an ultralight version. At least, that is what makes sense.
@@LuckyLoonOutdoors - A good chunk of the weight is in the pad, I think. When you think about it, it really isn't much different weight-wise than a tent with a pad. Might even be lighter. So maybe I'm complaining about something that isn't all that bad.
how is it if you lay on it without their matress? i have a neoair xlite large-wide and i really like to use it, plus it is very lightweight. would it work?
@ntinosntinosntinos i tried that originally, and it didn't work. If your air baffles are going side to side it might work.
Does this have sufficient room underneath to keep your pack dry?
Is this too heavy to take on the AT?
There is definitely enough room for a pack underneath. As far as weight goes, that's tough. Overall, this package has a decent amount of weight, but you do get a lot. You will need to compare weights between kits to decide what's important for you. This kit includes a rainfly, insulated pad, and the hammock. If I was ultralight camping I would take a small ground tent instead. But if I wanted to be comfortable and off the ground, this one is at the top of my list, Only rivaled by the Kammock Mantis UL.
I am not in my 20's anymore, so a good camp chair and sleep system are at the top of my list now.
Looks like enough height it’d be nice to hang a dewalt fan up over your feet too. If it was hot.
I never thought of that. There is a good amount of room. You could definitely hang a small portable fan off the main line.
I honestly don't understand how the rain fly works if it is in contact with the rest of the tent. When a normal rain fly lies against a tent, the water seeps in - that's why you've got the air gap between the inner part and the fly. So, how does it work if you're in an actual rain storm, and the fly is tucked in nice and cozy like you show?
The rain fly is not in contact with the tent, especially when you are in it. there is a gap. condensation runs down the inside and drips to the ground.
My second video shows this a little better.
i thought of getting this system but the weight was big factor in my decision . to heavy for bike packing and to heavy for long hikes
That is the largest friction point on this system. There are lighter options out there, that have different features.
If you do cold weather camping, thats where the gap lessens. Other systems require an underquilt, tarp, net, etc. The added weight of those items close the weight gap.
The longest out there trip I took with this system was a 7 day canoe trip in the boundary waters canoe area. We traveled 22 miles into the interior through multiple portages and lakes. The weight was noticeable, but comfort was next to none. Another person in the group had the same system, and another had the Kammock mantis UL. All 3 performed well, but both systems are significantly different.
Couple questions: If I wanted to leave it up year round, do you think it would handle that well? seems to be pretty durable. my cheap $40 hammock made it through a full year, with some minor bug net holes now. Maybe with a sleeve? like the waterproof hammock sleeve snake skin by Bear Butt? idk if it would fit.. but worth a shot maybe
2nd question: Do you think two small people could fit? in a pinch? say 130lbs per person. or even comfortably if I wanted to?
Your video was extremely informative and offered a lot of great insights! Thank you so much for going through even the small nitpicks. Its really going to help me be prepared for mine, especially the mosquitos getting in at the top solution.
Bonus: Still using that same pillow? If so, what is it and does it stay in place well enough to be comfortable?
Hi. thank you for watching and commenting and hopefully subscribing, lol. I am going to do my best to answer your questions.
I am not sure how it would hold up to being left up year round out in the elements. It's not designed for that. However, I bet if you removed the sleeping mat and spreader bars, it may fit inside that sleeve which would be a good option. The UV is what is really hard on materials.
Funny you mention Bear Butt. I have one of the first hammocks and bug nets they ever made. The straps in my haven video are actually Bear Butt straps I have been using for about 8 years! I actually rent out that OG bear butt hammock at my campground.
I think if you had 2 small people around 130lbs you could make it work. laying opposite directions. I wouldnt do it as a long term camping solution, but just hanging out or in a pinch, yes.
I use the Sea to summit, Aeros premium pillow. I dont remember which size. To figure that out, open up your sleep system and figure out which size would fit better inside of it. I never have a problem with it moving around because it is captured in the head of my sleeping bag. However, on hot nights I sometimes use the bag as a blanket, pillow still works just fine. I find that airing the pillow down a little is the most comfortable for me. I have 0 plans of replacing it.
@@LuckyLoonOutdoors thank you very much for your input!
Nice video! Can you tell my what pillow you use?
Sea to Summit Aeros Premium
Thanks for the great insight! Have you slept on the ground with it? The reason I'm most interested in this is it's versatility. If I'm going for just a hammock I'm considering the amok draumr otherwise.
I actually have not slept on the ground with it yet. I have a super light backpacking tent that I use for that, which I take instead if I am going to a place that requires it.
@@LuckyLoonOutdoors thanks for the response! Could be a good opportunity for another video! I haven't come across anyone who has extensive experience with both and I'd love a pros and cons!
I do have more trips scheduled this year so might make that happen!
Thats all great, just don't understand whats worth 450EUR here...
Its $335 for the setup that I have. Which is 302EUR. So not sure why the price is so high for you. Even at 302EUR its still on the higher end. Worth it for me, but if it is really 450EUR where you are, thats $500 here, I could not justify that high of a price.
Did you ever run into issues with the pad over the long term? Specifically with deflating and durability.
I have noticed that it would deflate a little after laying in it. But once I gave it another shot of air, it was fine after that.
I will see what happens this season. My experience with Haven customer service has been very good, so if I do start having issues, I have confidence they will help.
how do you deal with the State Parks in Minnesota not allowing hammocks for fear of "damaging the trees"? Just avoid them? I live in east central MN with four kid, but we all use hammocks.
I had no idea that was a thing, and have been using the hammock this entire time and have never been bothered about it. If I was bothered about it, the haven tent can be used as a ground tent as well.
Looks like per the state of MN website hammocks are allowed. It is possible that there is a specific park that does not allow them. MN website below:
www.dnr.state.mn.us/state_parks/hammocking.html#:~:text=Hammocks%20are%20allowed%20in%20public%20use%20areas%3A%20Campsites%2C%20picnic%20areas,and%20other%20day%20use%20areas.&text=Hanging%20your%20hammock%3A,be%20hung%20over%20mowed%20areas*.
You're now an affiliate. Now you're paid. Now you're not impartial. I still love the lay flat hammock tent though.
wasnt an affiliate when I made this video. However, became one just before making the other video. Gotta be up front and honest.
@@LuckyLoonOutdoors points for honesty.
Is this normally how tight yo I always have it? Just wondering cause have seen a bunch of videos where people had it this tight and it tore right at where you hook the suspension to the tent. I use one long hanging strap. Its 24 foot long to hook to nearly any two trees. With the same exact hook up spots in the one long strap. This way its the exact same tension every single time. Just an idea I did.
I really like your idea.
The more rigid you make the main line, the better. Just dont go nuts. I usually keep mine pretty tight. When it comes to the rainfly, I just keep it snug.
Do you think it would work to fit poles in the bottom corners where the pad ends go if you wanted to use a different sleep pad ?
I would not do so as poles would likely rub a hole over time. I did try saving money when I initially purchased it by using my own pad. My pad fit, but the baffles go head to toe, instead of side to side. This caused the pad to curl too much when laying on it. I ended up getting their pad, and it has worked fine so far.
@@LuckyLoonOutdoors OK thanks. for the reply
It could be possible to protect the corners of the Haven by putting the poles into tennis balls with a hole in or something like that.
@utubeape Thats a good point, you may be able to get that to work. If you do, please share with us and inform us of the results.
Very Helpful. Thanks
Are there 2 zippers to a screen? Like some coats where you can unzip or zip from both ends.
Hi, Good question. I honestly cant remember at the moment. I know each side of the hammock has its own zipper. but I dont think each side has a double zipper. This means that regardless of which side of the hammock you are on. It has its own zipper and will mirror the functions of the opposite side. Therefore, regardless of which side you are on, it will be the same.
The newer ones have two zippers on each side now!
Great news!
Like an angry 5 year old kid throwing stuff around and slinging stuff, lol! Just kidding, cool video, learn something about the Haven tent. Thanks for having this video up. 👍
Whats the coldest youbhave camped in this and how was it?
Somewhere between 20-28 degrees. It was fine. the sleeping bag was more important.
Solid review. I feel pretty good about my purchase. Lol
Great to hear! Let me know if anything comes up through your experience, good or bad.
Great video, iI am going to get the Haven Safari
let me know what you think of it!
How could have you camped with the setup? I just got mine today, and it was 70 2 days ago, today 32 and had 8" of snow drop lol. I cold camp quite a bit so i have good bags. Never have hammock camped much below 50 though.
Being in MN, we have a lot of temp swings at certain times of the year. I use the haven insulated pad, and i use the North Face One Sleeping bag. I am able to stay pretty comfortable from 30 degrees up to about 75ish. I have not used this setup under around 30 degrees yet, so cant provide much feedback there.
Well I set mine up for tonight. Low of 24. I have a form pass on top of the sleeping pad, so hopefully I'll be good. I'm only using my 40 degree bag with a blanket. I have a Marmot -40, but no way I could use that with these temps lol. Happy camping!
Best of luck, let us know how it works out for you!
@DougRowan_photography How did the setup work for you at that temp? I was considering doing a night in our cold temps, but we are in the middle of a blizzard, and we already have over 10-12" of snow at my house.....started with green grass.
@@LuckyLoonOutdoors I had an egg crate piece of foam on top of the air pad, 40 degree bag, a 12v heated blanket and 2 down camping blankets. I got settled in to watch tv and immediately realized 2 things... 1 I was way warmer than expected, both camping blankets were stuffed to the side of me to keep the wind from blowing in, heated blanket off and kicked to my feet. I watched tv for 2 hours with nothing on top of me other then the sleeping bag half laying on me. Temp did drop a couple degrees about then and I used the sleeping bag to cover up but it was not zipped at all. I slept great, but did wake up around 2 and pulled one of the blankets over my legs-feet. I didn't have socks on, light sweat pants and light long sleeve shirt and was more then warm. Only cold I ever felt was the occasional wind but it was minor. I will say as I've gotten older I'm a bit claustrophobic and I did open up the flap a couple times lol. But I think that was more about having too many blankets and it being cramped. I'll experiment more tonight, I'm off tue-wed. Supposed to rain but closer to 50.
I have a lawson hammock that is similar technology.
I will have to check it out!
How’s the condensation when in storm mode?
not a problem. So when you are in it your weight further separates the hammock from the rainfly. So if there is any condensation, it runs down and out without getting into the hammock part. pretty Slick. My second video shows that better.
Do you really lay 100% flat? My back would like to know.
Your rear end sits a little bit lower, but it results in a sleeping position similar to a home mattress. I also run a Big Agnes sleeping mat in my ground tents, this hammock is more comfortable than a tent setup for me, just make sure your mat is fully inflated and you are good. Life, farm life, and the Army have not been kind to my body. I find that I keep going back to this setup over the others. No more crawling around on the ground, and more forgiving to my back/knees. I am 5ft 10" 220lbs for reference.
What is the R value of the pad?
R-4
I really wish you didn't gloss over the inflation of the sleeping pad. How did you inflate it? Because if you think self inflating is hard or too long, I don't know what to think. I would personally prefer the bag that came with it to inflate it because I don't want my breath to put moisture and mold INSIDE the bag. I'm looking to hike long term. Nightly inflations over hundreds of miles equates to mold.
You can inflate the pad via any method you prefer. I now use a flextail zero pump. The bag method was really frustrating. Given your situation, I believe that pump would probably be a good solution for you. I also have a video about that pump on the channel.
@@LuckyLoonOutdoors okay! I’m gonna look for it on your channel. I think this is going to be my next sleep system. To be able to combine laying flat and suspended in the air is the best of both worlds.
It's funny, everyone I speak to about this system that has it tends to love it. The common theme is we all agree its heavy, but because of the comfort and ease of use we have all just accepted it. The older you are the more this becomes true.
I love mine too
What's the limit on weight
the weight limit is 285lbs.
Price and weight please?!.
Right now $338 with insulated pad, 7lbs 10.5oz
@@LuckyLoonOutdoors thanks for the reply. It’s too heavy for me. That’s a gallon of water. A gallon of water is 8lbs. The price isn’t that bad I would pay that but I can’t do the weight. It’s too much for long hikes. My base weight doesn’t need to go above 31lbs. I’m sitting there now with the set up I got. Take out my chair and I might could drop my weight a pound or two but even then it doesn’t make up the difference. My hammock now weighs 3 pounds. 2 and some change but I say 3. I could squeeze 5 lbs and even thats pushing it and taking a chair away. I’ll just keep looking. Maybe one day I will find one like I want!
@josephspruill1212 This one is def not the setup for cutting weight. that weight includes a rainfly, insulated pad, hammock, and straps. If you go to the lightest weight version its 7lbs .5oz.
I am old enough now where I just carry the extra weight for the comfort. Even then my canoe does most of the work.
Take a look at the kammock mantis ultralight. I purchased that setup for my brother. Its more tedious to get setup right but it cuts a lot of weight. the weight gap starts to close when things get colder. but otherwise its a little over 2lbs.
@@LuckyLoonOutdoors yeah you have canoe to get around in etc, I’m walking everywhere I go. I hiked from GA to Maine on the AT trail. I’ve hike the Colorado trail. The smallest was the Colorado trail. And it’s 486 miles. That three months of walking my friend, Day in day out too. So how you get around makes a big difference. When I was in the military we carried 45-50 lbs yet we didn’t ruck that far. We also got picked up along the route a lotto by heli or truck. Yet there is no river where I go. It’s nothing out a trail in the woods that leads you thousands of miles away. I hike the cdt. Next spring I’m hiking the pct and you can call me a triple crowner for hiking all three mayors in the USA. I’ve hike the one in Spain. I’ve hike all over Europe. I even hike the Himalayans before.i would like to hike all majors across the world. I don’t have to work anymore so I can take all the time I need too. Again thanks for getting back with me. I hate it wasn’t a fit for my style. I will find one somewhere. I see one before yet they wanted an arm and a leg for it. It was over $600 after taxes. I’m good they love it more than I do thats for sure. I get military discount yet it’s not enough to fix that price…..
Dang thats expensive. I never did a lot of hiking camping over 30 miles or so. Ive always done canoe camping or Army sponsored "camping". So, hearing from someone who has some time and distance in that type of hiking is great. Completing those trails is a big accomplishment! I am curious about the colorado trail. I have only seen small pieces of it, when climing to a couple peaks, and a couple short out and backs while visiting.
Freaking awesome
Im glad you enjoyed this video. I do have another video on the haven thats more recent that shows more on setup/tear down if its helpful for you.
Did you just hug the poison ivy?
Not sure I understand your question.
hanging the hammock... looked like poison ivy on the tree!
@terbofish5788 LOL got it. Welp, I didnt notice any issues!
Yup, that is clearly poison ivy
I had to go back and look at the video. The vine is Virginia Creeper, native to Minnesota. Commonly confused with poison Ivy as the leaves look very similar. However, poison ivy is in groups of 3 leaves, Virginia creeper is in groups of 5, as seen in this video.
You wish you had reflective line in the Army? WOW. Hopefully you didn't didn't serve in combat unit. I tend to not like things lighting up showing my position.
When in a training environment, having reflective lines would have been nice. Many units tend to put chemical lights or engineer tape on the guy lines in high traffic areas so guests and soldiers alike dont take themselves out.
OBVIOUSLY, in a combat environment, you would not do that. Didn't think any of this needed saying.
Also, I am sure EVERY VETERAN remembers having to wear a reflective PT belt over their chest deployed or not while walking around a FOB or installation. LOLOL!
If there is one thing we are good at.....its being sneaky...
Looks heavy. It's a nice way to sleep. I imagine.
bro really just asked why they didn't have shiny tent ropes that show really good at night. Hmm, why would a military not want to be seen at night. lol.
If you were in the military, then you would know. Everyone knows we are there, everyone wears reflective belts to avoid accidents, and we put chem lights on the tent roping to try and avoid injury. In conditions where reflective tent roping would be a problem...we dont typically setup tents.
$350?
Back when I purchased mine it was about $350 after tax and shipping. Now it looks like $335.
My hobby farm
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Some people really hate this for the weight of 3,5 kilos, but those are just traillizards who think 3,5 kilos is going to break their backs lmao
It is pretty heavy for sure. But you definitely know that going in. and the comfort is next to none. Gotta pick whats important to you.
@@LuckyLoonOutdoors And 3,5 kilos is not THAT heavy. It's like 3 liters of water BUT FOR A COMFY SLEEPING ARRANGEMENT.
The other video I watched was on about the sagging in the middle though. What do you think about that?
@obiwanfisher537 It does sag a little bit in the middle at your hips. You can and should ensure the sleeping mat is filled completely.
It is supposed to sag a little. the same thing happens when you lay on your bed. But if you dont keep the pad inflated well, it can sag too much, then the issue becomes the sides will roll in, and your shoulders will bend in resulting in discomfort.
@@LuckyLoonOutdoorsSounds like a rope net underneath would give it more stability and give a better base for the mat.
I always hated sleeping in the hammock as I move a love and like to sleep on my stomach but i spent years sleeping in one as a backpacker. Wish I had heard about this hammock waaaay earlier.
Hammocks are risky. You are confined and have zero egress in an emergency.
You are also vulnerable to attack. Nope nope nope. A good ground sleeping system and modern tents beat the brakes of hammocks nowadays
lol how many -time- *times* have you been attacked in your tent 😂 not something you need to worry about. Also, you’re equally confined with the same number of ingress and egress points as a common tent. Stick to a tent if you so choose, but don’t pretend it’s bc the number of doors and monsters.
Heavy use is right. That thing weights 8lbs! And it is really just a gimmick in my opinion.