The Draumur is a great piece of kit it is just a learning curve getting in and out of it. If you do decide on one I would recommend a sleeping quilt as they ae much easier with the Draumur. happy hammocking. 👍
Here are some chapters for those interested 0:00 Intro 1:00 Log store 5:54 Hennessy Explorer 4 12:24 Haven XL 21:32 Amok Draumer 5.0 36:38 Hammocks Final Thoughts 39:10 New Gear 40:46 Cooking Supper
After a long wait my Haven Camo Safari just arrived. Looking forward to getting some sleep relative to The Big Dipper........which is what I call my Draumr XL! Your wheeze of no sleeping bag is probably the answer.......hats off.
Haha yes Big Dipper is very descriptive, I called mine the Ejector Seat..😂. I know you will enjoy the Haven, they are great hammocks and very comfortable with little or no swing. Cannot praise the Enlightened Equipment quilt enough but any decent one will do a similar job. Thanks for the interest and comment. Happy hammocking 👍
@Brandon Cooper From memory about 3 or 4 months.....but this was probably due to Safari being a new model, the then problems of China manufacturing/shipping; also the difficulties of setting up an European distribution facility.
The Haven XL is a real game changer for people like me that cannot sleep in common hammocks. The 2024 model comes with an improved sleeping pad, double zippers on each side and a lounge strap similar to the Safari model. If you leave the sleeping pad inside and just remove the spreader bars deployment is very fast (the rain fly can stay permanently attached). I honestly never even considered the Amok, the whole setup looks way too cumbersome and complicated, it kinda works but the Haven is the more convenient to use product for me.
I completely agree, the Haven is way easier to setup but personally I prefer the roomy feel of the Amok even though it is harder to use . Thanks for your input to the channel and your feedback on this video, I really appreciate it. 👍
have always wanted to hammick sleep/csmp but none worked as Amazin Indians slept in them at 90° ..until youve showcased the Amok! Huge Thank Yous ! Even a guy like me in his 90s can go hanner sleeping in confort again .
Thanks for your comment. It seems unusual to sleep at 90 degrees to the ridge but it really works. Have a go and may you spend many comfy nights out in nature. 👍
You place your backpack under the amok. Be sure you have a reaching distanse to the ground when you lay on the stomack. In the morningen you have the draumr in flat mode. Lay on your stomack. Bend the TOP head portion donwn and towards your feet. Now you can take the jetboil out of the backpack and make your coffe and food. When you are ready bend the head portion BACK in posission, and turn around and get in cahir mode. Enjoy your food and coffe.
For the morning coffee problem and the AMOK, try bringing with you a small, capped, thermos and pour the coffee in the cap after you sit in the hammock.
Thank you! Great job! This was just what I needed! Only suggestion would be for you to add the weight restrictions for us big guys. Congratulations on your sobriety! 👍
I was not expecting to much when i clicked on the video but i was thoroughly emersed and interested, lovely little video and a good review on a few different products 10/10 sir
Since I first watched this I got into the Helsdon hammock Tent. I now distribute them in Australia and they are superb. I actually prefer it to the Haven XL as it is a much better sleep and I don't need the proprietary mattress; I use a $10 closed cell foam yoga mat. I won't be going back to a gathered end hammock and will pass on my haven XL to a daughter (I have 5). keep making the vids!
I haven't seen these before, they look really good and very well made. I think that the lay-flat hammocks are so much more comfortable than the more conventional ones and the Helsdon one seems to have some unique features. Thanks for your feedback and support. 👍
I love the Helsdon but at 3kg, where the haven sits at 2kg... or 3kg with the pad, for the same price... The gear storage pockets, and pad independence arent worth it the difference unfortunatly.
@@pedroclaro7822 True the pockets are handy but you must have the Haven pad or else it doesn't work, or not very well. If that is punctured or damaged beyond in-field repair the system is severely compromised. I don't get your 'difference' point given the weight is the same. Both are excellent hammock tents and for me the deal closer was simply how fast the Helsdon can be put up or taken down compared to the Haven XL and the huge internal storage for my gear. It really is a 2 minute operation and so I use it more often, even for family day trips to the beach. I just adapted the carry bag to be used as a ridgeline organiser so that's my pocket issue resolved. I also did the simple mod to make the poles removable and it now packs down a lot smaller than the HavenXL (Videos on my channel and the Helsdon channel). But will I be selling my Haven XL any time soon? No, I really like it and it's handy for one of my kids or friends if they come with me.
Another great video, enjoyed your comparison between the hammocks. Food up to your usual standard, going to try that curry myself. Loved the small critter digging up your campsite..lol
The curry is so easy to make and you can put almost anything in it and it tastes great. The little digger will be coming out on a few camps I hope as we are puppy sitting for my daughter.👍
Excellent video, thanks. I have 3 Amok Hammocks, and i love them after getting used to them.. The only real issues i have with them is the first one you mentioned. It is slippery like h…, if you use a normal “Nylon” seeping bag. Utterly hopeless. The bag is on the foot end in 0,5 seconds and very hard to get in to, at you mentioned. I actually got in contact with the manufacturer and addressed the issue. Asking if the could put some kind of rubber dots or some treatment on the fabric. They are so nice talking to. Their main reason not to do that is weight, when you’re buying the top of the line, weight is one off the main parameters people are considering. And it would add more weight. The second “issue” you must be very precise with is the moment you are hanging the hammock up in the trees. The rigid line must be 100% straight “Horizontal “, or you will have the problem sliding towards one of the sides. And that will ruin your entire 😴 I tried it one night setting it up when it was getting dark. - A little of, it’s fine. NOPE, i would rather sleep on an roll of barbed wires, naked, than doing that again😂
Great comment, a shame that they cannot use something like the sea to summit rubbery stuff which is very light because it is on their ultra light mats. Still it makes for an interesting nights "sleep" 😂
-another great hammok is the heldson hammock, its up there with the draumr if you ask me. It's a suspension bridge design so you can lay flat and on your side, great for me who have an back injury 😊
Thank you for this very useful comparison between these three high end camping hammocks. I've been hammock camping since the mid 1970s and I've owned a Hennessy bottom entry hammock for probably ten years. I'm getting old enough that the bottom entry is too much of a hassle, particularly for winter camping where there is an insulated pad, heavy sleeping bag, additional clothing, etc. I was mostly looking at the Haven and the zip version of Hennessy, the exact versions of each that you reviewed. I had heard good things about the Amok but hadn't seen it. My interest is ultralight motorcycle camping now that I'm too old for hiking, bicycling, kayaking, etc. I have a small adventure motorcycle and I'm trying hard to keep the weight and packed volume to a minimum, more like motorized bicycle camping. One of my goals is to use the hammock as a camp chair when cooking or just sitting around camp and that would seem to eliminate the clever Amok design. I'd usually avoid a 56 minute video but this video had all of the information I needed and I didn't feel that it was ever wasting my time. I also appreciated the bonus cooking at the end of the video. I ordered some S&B Japanese curry mix from Amazon and it'll be here tomorrow. It may go into my home cooking rotation but I mostly got it for camping meals. Thanks!
Thanks for your interest and support. Nice to hear you found the video helpful and I know you will really enjoy the curry mix. I fear you are right about the Amok chair mode although I am not sure any of them could fulfill that brief. What I have used in the past is a cheap string type hammock as my camp chair which worked really well. Happy hammock camping. All the best. 👍
@@ShadowCamping - My new Hennessy 4 Season Explorer XL Zip hammock arrives tomorrow. I got it because I'm old enough now that crawling up into my classic bottom entry Hennessy Explorer XL hammock is getting to be a hassle. The zippered side entry should be much easier, and also much better when I use two poles, guy lines and stakes to pitch the hammock as an improvised one person tent when there are no trees. Thanks again for the Japanese curry tip. It's delicious. I need to take that, some veggies and some minute rice for a camping meal. I packaged ten camping versions of Thai Peanut Noodles yesterday. It's tasty enough when prepared in camp but it's better with an onion and bell pepper. It's way tastier and way cheaper than freeze dried meals.
You will really enjoy your Hennessey, great piece of kit and an interesting idea to use it without trees. That katsu curry seems to make almost anything tasty, especially when you are out in the woods or the wilderness. 👍
Loving your seemingly unbiased content toward products..very refreshing! I presume you were lying on the wrong diagonal on the Hennesey hammock…that looked odd/uncomfortable …and you went quiet and looked puzzled yourself? Boggles my mind that a “top end” hammock can have a bad or non existent suspension system and people still buy it? As you have experienced the top end hammocks it would be really interesting and little expense to compare the other end of the scale hammocks from Ebay etc…..my first double hammock was from Grassman(I think) and less than £30 but short and soo deep you couldn’t even get out of it! (But somehow comfy as you could get diagonal) Yep, love my quilt when in a hammock…no need for a bag when insulated underneath. I have a campsite in the south of England and I let guests use those mesh fire pits free of charge but they don’t last long…I presume they are machine folded and they always break at the fold, if they were just rolled and not folded I think they would last well. All the best hermit
Thanks for your interest and feedback. Like everyone I have my favourite pieces of kit. I have tried all sorts of positions with the Hennesey but I think that I am at the upper weight limit which may explain why it is not so good for me although I will definitely give it another go. My wife manages fine in it but she is much lighter than me 😂 I have quite a lot of gear that I have not shown on the channel yet but will happily add another hammock to the list. 👌 Hmm those mesh fire pits are great for occasional use but I can understand that they would not be good for continued use. Perhaps a steel one might last better. What is your campsite called and when do you open for the season or is it an all year round one? All the best 👍
Just discovered your channel by watching this video. This is an excellent and thorough review so will check out the rest of your content. Where can I purchase the haven from in UK?
Glad you liked the video, it was fun doing it. I bought my Haven direct from Haven. The website is www.haventents.com Ha just had a google for you and you can get it on Amazon now in the UK. The customer service from Haven is excellent so might be better going direct. Welcome to the channel. All the best. 👍
Informative comparisons, thank you. I need to get up twice a night- it’s a real wrestle trying to get comfortable again in my HH. The the Amok looks worse in that regard than the HH; I think I see a Haven on my shopping list :)
If you need to get up in the night a lot I couldn't agree more with you, the Haven is your way forward for a repeatable comfy night out. happy hammocking. All the best. 👍
Thanks for this video, I've been debating between the Haven XL and the Amok Draumr for a while now and I think I've decided that I'd prefer the Amok, even if it's a bit more awkward to get into. You were mentioning not drinking you morning coffee in it - what if you used a thermos, got settled in, then poured a new fresh cup? It's an extra step, but one I'm happy to make. Cheers!
Congrats on your choice, you will really enjoy it. Yes the thermos idea is great or you could use a yeti style cup, either will do the job but not sure how you eat a full english or american breakfast in it yet 😂. Will keep looking and report back. All the best. 👍
So cost and weight not withstanding, which of the 2 lay flat hammocks (the Amok or the Haven) would you ultimately recommend, was really hoping to see a part2 after sleeping in the haven the next night! Im just wondering if the Amok is superior enough that it equals out to another 200 USD in comfort or if the Haven is largely the same in comfort?
Hi, I can only give you my opinion having used both of these hammocks quite a bit. Both of them are comfortable as lay flat hammocks but the Amok benefits from having much more space around you so ultimately you can use it for much longer periods of time, i.e. during the day to read a book or just to enjoy being whereas the Haven is much more a sleeping hammock. The Amok has outstanding build quality and the customer service is brilliant. The Haven is well made and also has excellent customer service. All in all my favourite out of the two is the Amok, having used it a lot I am happy to pay the extra over the Haven. Whilst there is not currently a part 2 to this subject, there are a lot of videos of me using both on my channel if you would like more usage scenarios. Really hope this helps, many thanks for the comment. All the the best.
@@ShadowCamping thanks for the reply. My only real concern for the amok is the temperature/weather control. Since the entire top is over and very widespread out does it tend to get colder? And how does it hold up in the face of stronger wind and rain? Any experience there?
Hi, I have found the Amok to be very comfortable in all conditions. I have never had any weather come into the Amok and the bug net keeps a lot of warmth inside. The Amok tarp can be cinched down quite low over the hammock so not much wind gets past it. Also because you are suspending it to trees there is generally less wind for any hammock. If you buy a Haven you will probably want to buy a different bigger tarp as the one it comes with is very close to you when sleeping and can get very condensationy whereas the Amok is further away from you. Hope this helps. All the best
Like you I am a fiend for the one pot curries. Here in NZ I buy May Ploy curry paste from our local Thai products shop, adding a stock cube does make all the difference. I like the idea of making the sauce separately, that’s a good tip I will be trying next time. I don’t know how you can give up on the drinking, a glass or two of wine with food is absolutely essential, any doctor will tell you that it has health benefits. AA+ video, Cheers for now
Just curious if your preference for the amok over the haven tent comes to comfort at all? I agree the tarp for the haven is not great and my plan would be to elect not to get that tarp and use a different tarp with it. The bottom line is the amok is more expensive and I’m curious if that equals more comfort? Thank you!
Haha. it is a game of 6 and two 3's. They are both extremely comfortable. The Amok does have more flexibility in terms of different positions but the cost of that is that they are not that easy to use until they are mastered. They also have more space around you and places for kit to be stored. The Haven is by far the easiest one to use and with a different tarp is great and can be easily used with a sleeping bag. They both have brilliant thermal properties tho I think the Amok is slightly higher. As you say the Amok is way more expensive and the comfort is comparable with the Haven. Hope this helps. All the best
Loved this video. I’ve had an HH Explorer XL for years and had zero complaints. As I age, I am looking for something a little flatter. My question to you is in your opinion, would the Haven or the Amok be easier to get out of to pee in the middle of the night. My eyeball thinks the Haven would be easier.
Thanks for your comment, I would humorously say that the Amok will definitely get you on the floor fastest but the Haven would give you the exit I think you want. All the best and keep on hammocking. 👍
Thank you so much for the in-detail video with different angles and a lot more. I do not know how this doesn't have more views, as it's the only video comparing the three. Only one other out there comparing the Haven vs Draumr, but it didn't blow up either... Goes to show it doesn't depend only on the video content... Here's some suggestions: - Remaking the video in a much much shorter timeframe, you can just summarize this one and edit in some of the footage. (i'd say most people will run away from anything above 20min) - Catchy almost clickbaity title, all caps "HAVEN VS DRAUMR VS HENESSEY" for example. Dan Becker shared his sucess story and his first viral videos has all caps, clickbaity (non misleading) titles, and attention grabbing thumbnails. - Timestamps for each hammock system and then a summary - Hammock system specs in the description (take a look at Luke from TOGR)
Wow thanks so much for your detailed feedback. I will indeed have a go at re-editing the original and make it shorter with a more catchy title. I have heard from a few people about the Onewind hammock being an absolute belter. Hope you enjoy the re-editied one coming as much. All the very best.👍
Good demonstration of the three. I've been looking at the Haven and the Amok, and your info is really helping with my decision. The one thing I don't like about the Haven is the closed up feeling -along with the condensation. I'm hearing mostly good things about the Amok - the only knock is the getting in and out, but I'm sure that improves with time. Great thoughts on the sleeping bag vs.quilt! It's super easy to throw the quilt off in an emergency - can't say the same about the sleeping bags. How do you like the Amok a year later?
The Amok is still my favourite. I completely agree about the haven, I have taken to using it with a bigger fly that does not close it in. As for getting in and out of the Amok, it is a knack and once you have got it sorted, it is comfort all the way. Happy hammocking 👍
Very informative and very well done. In your opinion, if one has to get up in the middle of the night a couple of times, does the AMOK take a lot more effort. I appears that could be the case. Not a issue in my "Dream Hammock"!. Just curious...thanks Jim
Thanks for your comment Jim, yes the Amok takes a little bit of getting used to and in the early days will take more effort but once you get used to it then it is not really any harder than any other hammock. All the best. 👍
Great comparison. I have a Tier Gear Goshawk, made especially for me by a cottage industry outfit in Tasmania. Top quality bit of kit, asymetric gathered end etc. I just spent my first two nights in my new Haven XL and I like the unit for easier side sleeping and the flexibility of ground set ups. I do like the Amok but it will be a while before I can sneak one past the Minister of Finance. I'm also off the grog (mostly) and enjoying it.
So glad you found it interesting and perhaps useful. The Haven XL is certainly a brilliant piece of kit and you will enjoy using it. The biggest difference between the Haven and the amok is the space that the Amok gives you but with a degree of stability re-learning being the cost. Thanks for your interest and support.
30 min in you talk of returning from Chair Mode to "Lay Flat" I was starting to ask how easy it was to return to flat, but then just saw you lower the legs just before putting up the rain fly.
It really is just that, straighten you legs to come out of chair mode and bend them to go into it. There are some adjustments that you make to be even more comfy, just a case of trial and error. 👍
That is a very close run thing. I think I would choose the Amok first and the Haven very close second. The Haven and the Amok are both very comfortable flat lay hammocks but I personally favour the additional space that the Amok gives. This said there are trade offs, the Amok is a lot harder to use but gives more space whereas the Haven is absolute simplicity to use but has less space. These are only my feelings based on having bought all 3 of them. I hope this helps but I would definitely try to Try before you Buy. I will be taming the Amok on my next trip up to the woods so watch this space. All the best
I have seen a pl of your vids. I am going for the HH safari mid$ and american made. And free trial thats a deal maker there. But will go without the rain fly and get my own tarp. It looks so easy to set up esp hanging. Thanks love your cooking tricks. Perfect for my harley cross country up coming trip from Fla. To California and back home. After time in the saddle it looks as tho the Haven is the ticket to a good nights sleep
Hi, thanks for your comment and for watching the vids. Hennessey is a great piece company and brilliant aftersales as well. The Haven is indeed a comfy hammock and just the ticket after a long day in the saddle. All the best and safe travels 👍
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Haven hands down. I’ve had a Hennessy before but not an Amok, but I have watched a ton of videos. Yes the Haven is heavier than my Hennessy, but the Haven is just so much easier to use. I’m not talking about the setup, because obviously ain’t much easier than the 2 straps and it’s up Hennessy. I’m talking about actually sleeping in it. Get up in the middle of the night to take a piss in each of them and you will understand. With the Hennessy I would struggle for 5 minutes trying to get back in, get everything back in it’s right spot, and get back to the right angle. Never once did all of that work. With the Haven, everything stays put, and I’m in and ready to fall asleep in less than a minute.
I completely agree, the Haven is a supremely comfortable hammock and very easy to use. I am trying something completely different in the May 19th 2023 video out later this week which you might be interested in, let me know what you think. All the best. 👍
That’s the comment I was looking for ! I pee twice a night and wrestle to get back into my HH. The Amok looks like a bit of a faff- I think I’ll go for the Haven .
Very nice video and good comparison. I also started with a Hennessey, but the expedition with no pad option. That would be handy, as the chill does come from below. I don't want to battle with underquilt. I bought the Draumr 5 next.. ejector seat is very apt. I toss and turn when I sleep. This morning, I could feel that I was a bit toward the head end when I woke. I tried to adjust and ended up in a ball in the head end on the floor. I think I got the larger model and yet I am short, so that doesn't help. Finally, I got the Haven Safari. I figured I wanted durable, but a regular one would likely be fine. I use a hammock as my bed at home, with wall hooks. I'd be hard pressed to pick a favourite... they all have their pluses and minuses, though I have sworn at the Draumr far more than the others. Perhaps if it was the shorter one, it wouldn't be as much of a problem.
Love the comment. It is great to hear from someone else who has experienced them all as well. I like the comfort of the Haven but prefer the space of the Draumur. Using a quilt made all the difference for metho after a few beer it can still be a challenge 😂 . Not sure the Hennessey will get much use now.
@Shadow Camping Funny enough, after a while, I switch back to my Hennessey to "even out the after washing whatever setup is currently in use. I still find it incredibly comfortable in warm enough weather or indoors. Getting rid of CKS (chilly kidney syndrome), "especially* after imbibing, would likely make that much more so. Oh, also, on try #2 of sleep today, again, I slept well enough until I awoke standing partially up like a mummy on display in my Draumr. I will give it more time before cycling in a Hennessey or the now dry Haven. Oh and I use a poncho liner, often referred to as a ranger blanket as my cover, but definitely will add a quilt to the list, since the under part of a sleeping bad doesn't do much due to flat insulation anyway. I don't know if it is a different zipper reinforcement on the Safari, but the one bad thing I can say about the Haven is my elbows feel like they are going to be rubbed raw by that, so I use something between, like part of my poncho liner.
@Shadow Camping It is probably common. I should obtain a camp quilt before I go out this year. The poncho liner is pretty light, and the Canadian military 3 piece sleeping bag is likely too heavy.
I am very envious, I can't use my local woods at the moment because of forestry work and deer stalking. I am planning on going out next week somewhere tho. Have a great time and be safe. 👍
I think this is relating to the Haven. You can do this but it depends if you have a preference for which way you enter and exit. I always lie down to my right, just a habit I guess
Obiously this frienly man has no clue how to set up a Hennessy Hammock. His hammock looks brand new the tarp was never used before. He layed in in the wrong direction. I suppose, he got this Hennessy just to do this "comparison". But to compare, you need experience with a product. So, something went wrong here.
Firstly thanks for your comment as I am probably on of the few on here that welcome suggestions and criticism. I have had the Hennessey for about 2 years, not this one as the original one ripped down one of the seams so Hennessey very kindly sent a replacement which is the one in the video. All the hammocks in this video I have had for about 2 years now, paid for by me and used a fair bit. As regards the correct way to lay in a Hennessey, I thought you could lay down either way so long as you were on the correct diagonal, is that assumption wrong? If so please do tell me the secret. Thanks in advance
@@ShadowCamping Hi, the correct way to lay in a Hennessy is on the predefined diagonal, the directon of head or feet up or down don't matter. That is right. This diagonal is for a reason where the bungees are to spread de hammock. You layed in a diagonal opposite to the bungees what means where the cut of the hammock fabric is shorter, not longer. The Hennessy is an asymmetrical hammock to save weight and avoid useless space. Don't get me wrong, the Hennessy is my go to hammock for many years and in summer I spent more nights in my hammock on hiking tours as at home in my bed. So I am a bit prickly if it comes to Hennessys.
Well good to know. I thought I had done that but perhaps got it wrong trying to do the filming and commentary so many thanks for pointing it out. I will take care to lay the right way when I use it next time. All the best
Very informative video how to set up hammocks and cook a short meal😊
Really considering the draumr and very proud of you for the 3 weeks sobriety man keep up the videos
The Draumur is a great piece of kit it is just a learning curve getting in and out of it. If you do decide on one I would recommend a sleeping quilt as they ae much easier with the Draumur. happy hammocking. 👍
@ShadowCamping yeah I went with a warbonnet bb xlc just looks easy to manage and maintain
Good choice, I have heard good things about them. Good value too. Happy hammocking. 👍
Here are some chapters for those interested
0:00 Intro
1:00 Log store
5:54 Hennessy Explorer 4
12:24 Haven XL
21:32 Amok Draumer 5.0
36:38 Hammocks Final Thoughts
39:10 New Gear
40:46 Cooking Supper
Thanks for adding this, a great help. 👍
Thanks for sharing this great video with us!🙂👍I think I will go with Amok Draumr 5.0🙂👍
You will not be disappointed with your choice. Have fun with it
After a long wait my Haven Camo Safari just arrived. Looking forward to getting some sleep relative to The Big Dipper........which is what I call my Draumr XL! Your wheeze of no sleeping bag is probably the answer.......hats off.
Haha yes Big Dipper is very descriptive, I called mine the Ejector Seat..😂. I know you will enjoy the Haven, they are great hammocks and very comfortable with little or no swing. Cannot praise the Enlightened Equipment quilt enough but any decent one will do a similar job. Thanks for the interest and comment. Happy hammocking 👍
How long was your wait?
@Brandon Cooper From memory about 3 or 4 months.....but this was probably due to Safari being a new model, the then problems of China manufacturing/shipping; also the difficulties of setting up an European distribution facility.
The Haven XL is a real game changer for people like me that cannot sleep in common hammocks. The 2024 model comes with an improved sleeping pad, double zippers on each side and a lounge strap similar to the Safari model. If you leave the sleeping pad inside and just remove the spreader bars deployment is very fast (the rain fly can stay permanently attached). I honestly never even considered the Amok, the whole setup looks way too cumbersome and complicated, it kinda works but the Haven is the more convenient to use product for me.
I completely agree, the Haven is way easier to setup but personally I prefer the roomy feel of the Amok even though it is harder to use . Thanks for your input to the channel and your feedback on this video, I really appreciate it. 👍
have always wanted to hammick sleep/csmp but none worked as Amazin Indians slept in them at 90° ..until youve showcased the Amok! Huge Thank Yous ! Even a guy like me in his 90s can go hanner sleeping in confort again .
Thanks for your comment. It seems unusual to sleep at 90 degrees to the ridge but it really works. Have a go and may you spend many comfy nights out in nature. 👍
You place your backpack under the amok. Be sure you have a reaching distanse to the ground when you lay on the stomack. In the morningen you have the draumr in flat mode. Lay on your stomack. Bend the TOP head portion donwn and towards your feet. Now you can take the jetboil out of the backpack and make your coffe and food. When you are ready bend the head portion BACK in posission, and turn around and get in cahir mode. Enjoy your food and coffe.
Thanks for the tips! I will try this when next out in it 👍
is this olde englishe spellings?
Thanks for taking a look! Great setup video as well. 😊 keep adventuring and sharing the journey ✌️
Thanks for having such a great product. It is by far the most versatile one I own or have seen. Cracking piece of kit. 👍
What a NiCE comparison. Thank you!
Many thanks. 👍
For the morning coffee problem and the AMOK, try bringing with you a small, capped, thermos and pour the coffee in the cap after you sit in the hammock.
Thanks yes, I have bought one of those Yeti cups and now enjoy coffee in the hammock. Thanks for the suggestion. All the best👍
Thank you! Great job! This was just what I needed! Only suggestion would be for you to add the weight restrictions for us big guys. Congratulations on your sobriety! 👍
A good idea, thanks for the suggestion. Thanks for your support. 👍
I was not expecting to much when i clicked on the video but i was thoroughly emersed and interested, lovely little video and a good review on a few different products 10/10 sir
Thanks for the really positive feedback and I am really glad that you enjoyed it. 👍
An insulated and sealed travel mug might work for coffee/tea.
A good idea. Thanks 👍
The Haven looks awesome
It is indeed a great hammock. 👍
Love the Amok, wish I’d bought the camo version. Apparently a Carinthia Defence 4 bag with centre zip best for the Amok
I agree the camo version looks really good, at least mine is half way there with the camo fly. 👍
Since I first watched this I got into the Helsdon hammock Tent. I now distribute them in Australia and they are superb. I actually prefer it to the Haven XL as it is a much better sleep and I don't need the proprietary mattress; I use a $10 closed cell foam yoga mat. I won't be going back to a gathered end hammock and will pass on my haven XL to a daughter (I have 5). keep making the vids!
I haven't seen these before, they look really good and very well made. I think that the lay-flat hammocks are so much more comfortable than the more conventional ones and the Helsdon one seems to have some unique features. Thanks for your feedback and support. 👍
I love the Helsdon but at 3kg, where the haven sits at 2kg... or 3kg with the pad, for the same price... The gear storage pockets, and pad independence arent worth it the difference unfortunatly.
@@pedroclaro7822 True the pockets are handy but you must have the Haven pad or else it doesn't work, or not very well. If that is punctured or damaged beyond in-field repair the system is severely compromised. I don't get your 'difference' point given the weight is the same. Both are excellent hammock tents and for me the deal closer was simply how fast the Helsdon can be put up or taken down compared to the Haven XL and the huge internal storage for my gear. It really is a 2 minute operation and so I use it more often, even for family day trips to the beach. I just adapted the carry bag to be used as a ridgeline organiser so that's my pocket issue resolved. I also did the simple mod to make the poles removable and it now packs down a lot smaller than the HavenXL (Videos on my channel and the Helsdon channel). But will I be selling my Haven XL any time soon? No, I really like it and it's handy for one of my kids or friends if they come with me.
Liked and subscribed and a comment for the algorithm!
Thank you my friend, really appreciate your support. 👍
Thanks mate, great content. I was enjoying the coke and the cooler box foot rest part😅
Thanks for your comment, glad you enjoyed it. 👍
Another great video, enjoyed your comparison between the hammocks. Food up to your usual standard, going to try that curry myself. Loved the small critter digging up your campsite..lol
The curry is so easy to make and you can put almost anything in it and it tastes great. The little digger will be coming out on a few camps I hope as we are puppy sitting for my daughter.👍
Excellent video, thanks.
I have 3 Amok Hammocks, and i love them after getting used to them..
The only real issues i have with them is the first one you mentioned. It is slippery like h…, if you use a normal “Nylon” seeping bag. Utterly hopeless. The bag is on the foot end in 0,5 seconds and very hard to get in to, at you mentioned.
I actually got in contact with the manufacturer and addressed the issue. Asking if the could put some kind of rubber dots or some treatment on the fabric.
They are so nice talking to. Their main reason not to do that is weight, when you’re buying the top of the line, weight is one off the main parameters people are considering. And it would add more weight.
The second “issue” you must be very precise with is the moment you are hanging the hammock up in the trees. The rigid line must be 100% straight “Horizontal “, or you will have the problem sliding towards one of the sides. And that will ruin your entire 😴
I tried it one night setting it up when it was getting dark.
- A little of, it’s fine.
NOPE, i would rather sleep on an roll of barbed wires, naked, than doing that again😂
Great comment, a shame that they cannot use something like the sea to summit rubbery stuff which is very light because it is on their ultra light mats. Still it makes for an interesting nights "sleep" 😂
-another great hammok is the heldson hammock, its up there with the draumr if you ask me. It's a suspension bridge design so you can lay flat and on your side, great for me who have an back injury 😊
I will keep an eye out for that one, thanks
Thank you for this very useful comparison between these three high end camping hammocks. I've been hammock camping since the mid 1970s and I've owned a Hennessy bottom entry hammock for probably ten years. I'm getting old enough that the bottom entry is too much of a hassle, particularly for winter camping where there is an insulated pad, heavy sleeping bag, additional clothing, etc. I was mostly looking at the Haven and the zip version of Hennessy, the exact versions of each that you reviewed. I had heard good things about the Amok but hadn't seen it. My interest is ultralight motorcycle camping now that I'm too old for hiking, bicycling, kayaking, etc. I have a small adventure motorcycle and I'm trying hard to keep the weight and packed volume to a minimum, more like motorized bicycle camping. One of my goals is to use the hammock as a camp chair when cooking or just sitting around camp and that would seem to eliminate the clever Amok design.
I'd usually avoid a 56 minute video but this video had all of the information I needed and I didn't feel that it was ever wasting my time. I also appreciated the bonus cooking at the end of the video. I ordered some S&B Japanese curry mix from Amazon and it'll be here tomorrow. It may go into my home cooking rotation but I mostly got it for camping meals. Thanks!
Thanks for your interest and support. Nice to hear you found the video helpful and I know you will really enjoy the curry mix. I fear you are right about the Amok chair mode although I am not sure any of them could fulfill that brief. What I have used in the past is a cheap string type hammock as my camp chair which worked really well. Happy hammock camping. All the best. 👍
@@ShadowCamping - My new Hennessy 4 Season Explorer XL Zip hammock arrives tomorrow. I got it because I'm old enough now that crawling up into my classic bottom entry Hennessy Explorer XL hammock is getting to be a hassle. The zippered side entry should be much easier, and also much better when I use two poles, guy lines and stakes to pitch the hammock as an improvised one person tent when there are no trees.
Thanks again for the Japanese curry tip. It's delicious. I need to take that, some veggies and some minute rice for a camping meal.
I packaged ten camping versions of Thai Peanut Noodles yesterday. It's tasty enough when prepared in camp but it's better with an onion and bell pepper. It's way tastier and way cheaper than freeze dried meals.
You will really enjoy your Hennessey, great piece of kit and an interesting idea to use it without trees. That katsu curry seems to make almost anything tasty, especially when you are out in the woods or the wilderness. 👍
Loving your seemingly unbiased content toward products..very refreshing!
I presume you were lying on the wrong diagonal on the Hennesey hammock…that looked odd/uncomfortable …and you went quiet and looked puzzled yourself?
Boggles my mind that a “top end” hammock can have a bad or non existent suspension system and people still buy it?
As you have experienced the top end hammocks it would be really interesting and little expense to compare the other end of the scale hammocks from Ebay etc…..my first double hammock was from Grassman(I think) and less than £30 but short and soo deep you couldn’t even get out of it! (But somehow comfy as you could get diagonal)
Yep, love my quilt when in a hammock…no need for a bag when insulated underneath.
I have a campsite in the south of England and I let guests use those mesh fire pits free of charge but they don’t last long…I presume they are machine folded and they always break at the fold, if they were just rolled and not folded I think they would last well.
All the best
hermit
Thanks for your interest and feedback. Like everyone I have my favourite pieces of kit. I have tried all sorts of positions with the Hennesey but I think that I am at the upper weight limit which may explain why it is not so good for me although I will definitely give it another go. My wife manages fine in it but she is much lighter than me 😂
I have quite a lot of gear that I have not shown on the channel yet but will happily add another hammock to the list. 👌
Hmm those mesh fire pits are great for occasional use but I can understand that they would not be good for continued use. Perhaps a steel one might last better.
What is your campsite called and when do you open for the season or is it an all year round one? All the best 👍
Just discovered your channel by watching this video. This is an excellent and thorough review so will check out the rest of your content. Where can I purchase the haven from in UK?
Glad you liked the video, it was fun doing it. I bought my Haven direct from Haven. The website is www.haventents.com Ha just had a google for you and you can get it on Amazon now in the UK. The customer service from Haven is excellent so might be better going direct. Welcome to the channel. All the best. 👍
Informative comparisons, thank you.
I need to get up twice a night- it’s a real wrestle trying to get comfortable again in my HH.
The the Amok looks worse in that regard than the HH; I think I see a Haven on my shopping list :)
If you need to get up in the night a lot I couldn't agree more with you, the Haven is your way forward for a repeatable comfy night out. happy hammocking. All the best. 👍
Thank you for a great video!
Glad you liked it!
Thanks for this video, I've been debating between the Haven XL and the Amok Draumr for a while now and I think I've decided that I'd prefer the Amok, even if it's a bit more awkward to get into. You were mentioning not drinking you morning coffee in it - what if you used a thermos, got settled in, then poured a new fresh cup? It's an extra step, but one I'm happy to make. Cheers!
Congrats on your choice, you will really enjoy it. Yes the thermos idea is great or you could use a yeti style cup, either will do the job but not sure how you eat a full english or american breakfast in it yet 😂. Will keep looking and report back. All the best. 👍
So cost and weight not withstanding, which of the 2 lay flat hammocks (the Amok or the Haven) would you ultimately recommend, was really hoping to see a part2 after sleeping in the haven the next night! Im just wondering if the Amok is superior enough that it equals out to another 200 USD in comfort or if the Haven is largely the same in comfort?
Hi, I can only give you my opinion having used both of these hammocks quite a bit. Both of them are comfortable as lay flat hammocks but the Amok benefits from having much more space around you so ultimately you can use it for much longer periods of time, i.e. during the day to read a book or just to enjoy being whereas the Haven is much more a sleeping hammock. The Amok has outstanding build quality and the customer service is brilliant. The Haven is well made and also has excellent customer service. All in all my favourite out of the two is the Amok, having used it a lot I am happy to pay the extra over the Haven. Whilst there is not currently a part 2 to this subject, there are a lot of videos of me using both on my channel if you would like more usage scenarios. Really hope this helps, many thanks for the comment. All the the best.
@@ShadowCamping thanks for the reply. My only real concern for the amok is the temperature/weather control. Since the entire top is over and very widespread out does it tend to get colder? And how does it hold up in the face of stronger wind and rain? Any experience there?
Hi, I have found the Amok to be very comfortable in all conditions. I have never had any weather come into the Amok and the bug net keeps a lot of warmth inside. The Amok tarp can be cinched down quite low over the hammock so not much wind gets past it. Also because you are suspending it to trees there is generally less wind for any hammock. If you buy a Haven you will probably want to buy a different bigger tarp as the one it comes with is very close to you when sleeping and can get very condensationy whereas the Amok is further away from you. Hope this helps. All the best
@@ShadowCamping this is very helpful thank you!
A pleasure to help, many thanks
Like you I am a fiend for the one pot curries. Here in NZ I buy
May Ploy curry paste from our local Thai products shop, adding
a stock cube does make all the difference. I like the idea of
making the sauce separately, that’s a good tip I will be trying next time. I don’t know how you can give up on the drinking, a glass or two of wine with food is absolutely essential, any doctor will tell you that it has health benefits. AA+ video, Cheers for now
They are really tasty and so versatile. I am only having a little break from the beer so fret not, the Doc will be happy again soon. 👍
Another cracking video.Love the set ups and Japanese curry. But the frankfurters and beans could've done with a bread roll for moppage...! ATB
I will perhaps bake some bread next time but will make my own sausages and beans as those ones were so sweet. 👍
Just curious if your preference for the amok over the haven tent comes to comfort at all? I agree the tarp for the haven is not great and my plan would be to elect not to get that tarp and use a different tarp with it. The bottom line is the amok is more expensive and I’m curious if that equals more comfort? Thank you!
Haha. it is a game of 6 and two 3's. They are both extremely comfortable. The Amok does have more flexibility in terms of different positions but the cost of that is that they are not that easy to use until they are mastered. They also have more space around you and places for kit to be stored. The Haven is by far the easiest one to use and with a different tarp is great and can be easily used with a sleeping bag. They both have brilliant thermal properties tho I think the Amok is slightly higher. As you say the Amok is way more expensive and the comfort is comparable with the Haven. Hope this helps. All the best
Loved this video. I’ve had an HH Explorer XL for years and had zero complaints. As I age, I am looking for something a little flatter. My question to you is in your opinion, would the Haven or the Amok be easier to get out of to pee in the middle of the night. My eyeball thinks the Haven would be easier.
Thanks for your comment, I would humorously say that the Amok will definitely get you on the floor fastest but the Haven would give you the exit I think you want. All the best and keep on hammocking. 👍
@@ShadowCamping Thank you. I appreciate your opinion.
Thank you so much for the in-detail video with different angles and a lot more.
I do not know how this doesn't have more views, as it's the only video comparing the three. Only one other out there comparing the Haven vs Draumr, but it didn't blow up either... Goes to show it doesn't depend only on the video content...
Here's some suggestions:
- Remaking the video in a much much shorter timeframe, you can just summarize this one and edit in some of the footage. (i'd say most people will run away from anything above 20min)
- Catchy almost clickbaity title, all caps "HAVEN VS DRAUMR VS HENESSEY" for example. Dan Becker shared his sucess story and his first viral videos has all caps, clickbaity (non misleading) titles, and attention grabbing thumbnails.
- Timestamps for each hammock system and then a summary
- Hammock system specs in the description (take a look at Luke from TOGR)
Also the Hennesy is amazing, but Onewind has them beat when it comes to price, and their tarps are simply better :/
Wow thanks so much for your detailed feedback. I will indeed have a go at re-editing the original and make it shorter with a more catchy title. I have heard from a few people about the Onewind hammock being an absolute belter. Hope you enjoy the re-editied one coming as much. All the very best.👍
@@ShadowCamping eagerly waiting for its release! And your subsequent going viral ;)
Good demonstration of the three. I've been looking at the Haven and the Amok, and your info is really helping with my decision. The one thing I don't like about the Haven is the closed up feeling -along with the condensation. I'm hearing mostly good things about the Amok - the only knock is the getting in and out, but I'm sure that improves with time.
Great thoughts on the sleeping bag vs.quilt! It's super easy to throw the quilt off in an emergency - can't say the same about the sleeping bags.
How do you like the Amok a year later?
The Amok is still my favourite. I completely agree about the haven, I have taken to using it with a bigger fly that does not close it in. As for getting in and out of the Amok, it is a knack and once you have got it sorted, it is comfort all the way. Happy hammocking 👍
Very informative and very well done. In your opinion, if one has to get up in the middle of the night a couple of times, does the AMOK take a lot more effort. I appears that could be the case. Not a issue in my "Dream Hammock"!. Just curious...thanks Jim
Thanks for your comment Jim, yes the Amok takes a little bit of getting used to and in the early days will take more effort but once you get used to it then it is not really any harder than any other hammock. All the best. 👍
You should try Nightcat hammock. Best one I’ve had and cheaper
Hope you enjoy yours as much as I enjoy mine. 👍
thanks for the insight. came over looking for link on the fire platform :-(
Glad it was helpful!
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Thanks for watching. 👍
Great comparison. I have a Tier Gear Goshawk, made especially for me by a cottage industry outfit in Tasmania. Top quality bit of kit, asymetric gathered end etc. I just spent my first two nights in my new Haven XL and I like the unit for easier side sleeping and the flexibility of ground set ups. I do like the Amok but it will be a while before I can sneak one past the Minister of Finance. I'm also off the grog (mostly) and enjoying it.
So glad you found it interesting and perhaps useful. The Haven XL is certainly a brilliant piece of kit and you will enjoy using it. The biggest difference between the Haven and the amok is the space that the Amok gives you but with a degree of stability re-learning being the cost. Thanks for your interest and support.
30 min in you talk of returning from Chair Mode to "Lay Flat" I was starting to ask how easy it was to return to flat, but then just saw you lower the legs just before putting up the rain fly.
It really is just that, straighten you legs to come out of chair mode and bend them to go into it. There are some adjustments that you make to be even more comfy, just a case of trial and error. 👍
If you had to choose between them, which would you choose?
That is a very close run thing. I think I would choose the Amok first and the Haven very close second. The Haven and the Amok are both very comfortable flat lay hammocks but I personally favour the additional space that the Amok gives. This said there are trade offs, the Amok is a lot harder to use but gives more space whereas the Haven is absolute simplicity to use but has less space. These are only my feelings based on having bought all 3 of them. I hope this helps but I would definitely try to Try before you Buy. I will be taming the Amok on my next trip up to the woods so watch this space. All the best
Thanks helpful..
Glad it was helpful! 👍
I have seen a pl of your vids. I am going for the HH safari mid$ and american made. And free trial thats a deal maker there. But will go without the rain fly and get my own tarp. It looks so easy to set up esp hanging. Thanks love your cooking tricks. Perfect for my harley cross country up coming trip from Fla. To California and back home. After time in the saddle it looks as tho the
Haven is the ticket to a good nights sleep
Hi, thanks for your comment and for watching the vids. Hennessey is a great piece company and brilliant aftersales as well. The Haven is indeed a comfy hammock and just the ticket after a long day in the saddle. All the best and safe travels 👍
Did you say which quilt? I could not hear it 😉
Hi, It was an Enlightened Equipment quilt. They are amazing, both me and my wife have them and have never been cold. 👍
what kind of pants are you wearing?
They are Revolution Race Norwand pants, find them on www.revolutionrace.co.uk/men/trousers?gclid=Cj0KCQiAgK2qBhCHARIsAGACuzlluz4paIWJcLBb3FpWnWEfyuWWqNHKS1NBFKvoOK_MyFunQn3ZPxIaAqmHEALw_wcB
Cup with a lid 🎉
indeed, have got aYeti cup which sorts that little issue out. Thanks for your suggestion. 👍
What pants are you wearing?
They are from Revelation Race and they are excellent quality and comfort. Can highly recommend. 👍
Haven hands down. I’ve had a Hennessy before but not an Amok, but I have watched a ton of videos. Yes the Haven is heavier than my Hennessy, but the Haven is just so much easier to use. I’m not talking about the setup, because obviously ain’t much easier than the 2 straps and it’s up Hennessy. I’m talking about actually sleeping in it. Get up in the middle of the night to take a piss in each of them and you will understand. With the Hennessy I would struggle for 5 minutes trying to get back in, get everything back in it’s right spot, and get back to the right angle. Never once did all of that work. With the Haven, everything stays put, and I’m in and ready to fall asleep in less than a minute.
I completely agree, the Haven is a supremely comfortable hammock and very easy to use. I am trying something completely different in the May 19th 2023 video out later this week which you might be interested in, let me know what you think. All the best. 👍
That’s the comment I was looking for !
I pee twice a night and wrestle to get back into my HH.
The Amok looks like a bit of a faff- I think I’ll go for the Haven .
Classic england, cant even film a video on a nice day without it raining.
Indeed, well at least the gopro is waterproof. Haha
Very nice video and good comparison.
I also started with a Hennessey, but the expedition with no pad option. That would be handy, as the chill does come from below. I don't want to battle with underquilt.
I bought the Draumr 5 next.. ejector seat is very apt. I toss and turn when I sleep. This morning, I could feel that I was a bit toward the head end when I woke. I tried to adjust and ended up in a ball in the head end on the floor. I think I got the larger model and yet I am short, so that doesn't help.
Finally, I got the Haven Safari. I figured I wanted durable, but a regular one would likely be fine.
I use a hammock as my bed at home, with wall hooks. I'd be hard pressed to pick a favourite... they all have their pluses and minuses, though I have sworn at the Draumr far more than the others. Perhaps if it was the shorter one, it wouldn't be as much of a problem.
Love the comment. It is great to hear from someone else who has experienced them all as well. I like the comfort of the Haven but prefer the space of the Draumur. Using a quilt made all the difference for metho after a few beer it can still be a challenge 😂 . Not sure the Hennessey will get much use now.
@Shadow Camping Funny enough, after a while, I switch back to my Hennessey to "even out the after washing whatever setup is currently in use. I still find it incredibly comfortable in warm enough weather or indoors. Getting rid of CKS (chilly kidney syndrome), "especially* after imbibing, would likely make that much more so.
Oh, also, on try #2 of sleep today, again, I slept well enough until I awoke standing partially up like a mummy on display in my Draumr. I will give it more time before cycling in a Hennessey or the now dry Haven. Oh and I use a poncho liner, often referred to as a ranger blanket as my cover, but definitely will add a quilt to the list, since the under part of a sleeping bad doesn't do much due to flat insulation anyway.
I don't know if it is a different zipper reinforcement on the Safari, but the one bad thing I can say about the Haven is my elbows feel like they are going to be rubbed raw by that, so I use something between, like part of my poncho liner.
I found that my arms got cold in the Haven because they are against the outsides, perhaps just because I am of the fuller figure 😂
@Shadow Camping It is probably common. I should obtain a camp quilt before I go out this year. The poncho liner is pretty light, and the Canadian military 3 piece sleeping bag is likely too heavy.
I bought an Enlightened Equipment quilt and have never looked back since. Hope you find one as good. 🤞
I love my America made Haven 💕🇺🇲🏕️
I too love you American made Haven Hammocks too, so comfy. 👍
@@ShadowCamping I live in Northern Cali in the Sierra mountains. I'm getting ready to camp 🤣💕🌲🏕️
I am very envious, I can't use my local woods at the moment because of forestry work and deer stalking. I am planning on going out next week somewhere tho. Have a great time and be safe. 👍
@@ShadowCamping Good that you can still go out and play 🤣🏕️ My only fear is humans
Indeed Humans are the worst critters of all. 😂
Instead of lowering the one end, why not just turn around and lie the other way? Around 20 min in.
I think this is relating to the Haven. You can do this but it depends if you have a preference for which way you enter and exit. I always lie down to my right, just a habit I guess
Obiously this frienly man has no clue how to set up a Hennessy Hammock. His hammock looks brand new the tarp was never used before. He layed in in the wrong direction. I suppose, he got this Hennessy just to do this "comparison".
But to compare, you need experience with a product. So, something went wrong here.
Firstly thanks for your comment as I am probably on of the few on here that welcome suggestions and criticism. I have had the Hennessey for about 2 years, not this one as the original one ripped down one of the seams so Hennessey very kindly sent a replacement which is the one in the video. All the hammocks in this video I have had for about 2 years now, paid for by me and used a fair bit. As regards the correct way to lay in a Hennessey, I thought you could lay down either way so long as you were on the correct diagonal, is that assumption wrong? If so please do tell me the secret. Thanks in advance
@@ShadowCamping
Hi, the correct way to lay in a Hennessy is on the predefined diagonal, the directon of head or feet up or down don't matter. That is right. This diagonal is for a reason where the bungees are to spread de hammock. You layed in a diagonal opposite to the bungees what means where the cut of the hammock fabric is shorter, not longer. The Hennessy is an asymmetrical hammock to save weight and avoid useless space.
Don't get me wrong, the Hennessy is my go to hammock for many years and in summer I spent more nights in my hammock on hiking tours as at home in my bed.
So I am a bit prickly if it comes to Hennessys.
Well good to know. I thought I had done that but perhaps got it wrong trying to do the filming and commentary so many thanks for pointing it out. I will take care to lay the right way when I use it next time. All the best