@@chuckmangione4747yeah that’s kind of how I would say it too. People aren’t supposed to survive, however I feel like they gave so many other characters way too much plot armor.
Yeah it just makes those characters completely pointless and meaningless because all of them died ok Andrew is the reason Lori is dead but that’s the only point just wasted potential honestly would rather of not had them in the first place if we weren’t gonna get one new main character out of them
Dude had more lines than T-Dog But I feel more peed off about Oscar the most. He had two great scenes with Rick & Daryl: "I ain't never begged for my life." at gun point & shooting his inmate who set off the alarm and giving the gun back to Rick to prove himself even more. He could've been one of the Lieutenants and maybe lose him once we get to Alexandria.
The thing I found quite sad about the show is how everytime there is a new group of people in the show, almost all if not all of them end up dying. Mainly the prisoners and the Alexandrians come to mind. It's especially bad with Alexandria because they introduced so many characters, just to kill basically all of them off in less than two seasons
Exactly, I'm watching fwd right now, killed off most of the people they started with within 2 seasons, like why, they could of given them so much better stories and room to grow but it's "death shockers" I see which sucks...
Yeah such a good point, and the show really struggles in the later seasons as most of the OG cast moved on if they’d actually developed some of these characters and kept them around the transition to the later seasons wouldnt have been that bad
@@theohuntt characters exiting the show like Morgan or Maggie would hurt way less if they had more characters to work with but litreally the only pre Alexandria characters they had in S9 were Rick,Daryl,Carol,Michonne,Judith,Rosita and Eugene
When I first watched the show I liked Axel and when he died I felt the same way, in the comics he had a bigger role siding with ricks group over the prisoners.
Dude I love you're content so much. Bob, Noah, and now Axel? I like that you're always talking about characters from the show that are so underrated. Especially since all of them are my favorite characters. You might ever talk about Tyrese and how different he is from his comics?
I remember how disappointed my brother was when this character was killed off. He was really starting to get attached. Probably one of the biggest wastes.
Fun fact: I did a Walking Dead rewrite before the final season realesed. (Even funnier I predicted a lot of things). It lasted 16 seasons and one of the things I changed was Axel. I had Axel survive until S9 and he was one of the pike victims.
@@SeanFarar I haven't actually postwd it as I'm too scared due to many controvertial decisions but if you have social media I could perhaps send it to you via a link to tue document
The other guy his name was Oscar similar to Axel. Kinda taken away to soon considering i think he would have made a fairly good addition to the cast for at least another season probably reaching season 4.
I'm still relatively new to the TWD fandom (only watched the show about 1.5 years ago) but I've seen countless videos essays and yours are definitely my favourite. I've been loving these underrated character videos! Axel is probably my favourite single-season character. He and Oscar could've been great longtime additions to the gang so it's sad that they sort of got the same "bad guy gets some redemption in the end" treatment the writers gave to Merle when these guys were so genuinely nice to everyone the whole time. And random thought but I think it would've been cool to see the dynamic Axel and Eugene could've had. I feel like they would've had an "odd couple" vibe, sort of like Pinky and the Brain haha
Thank you so much for the kind words, and yeah that would be a very interesting dynamic I feel like they would be comedy gold to watch with Eugenes seriousness and Axels light hearted side. Which character would you like to see me do next?
Yeah, I was soo sad they died, Axel was a nice cool guy, the scene where Andrea tell him she's not a lesbian just because of the short haur, and he instantly goes into flirt mode was my favourite. I really wanted to see him atleast last longer I wanted to see more of him
Axel was a beloved character from the comics for me. I was hoping this phenomenal characterization we were getting in the television show would expand upon his story but sadly we did not receive that. Love you Axel, rest in piece homie
Every time I rewatch the series, I end up STILL frustrated and upset over the amount of wasted potential Axel had. Axel was both immature with his sense of the new world, and his much needed casual humour and demeanour (which was SUCH a nice welcome to the group since everyone else was depressed the whole time), and mature at the same time with his similar age to Carol and a willingness to accept Rick and the groups ways and wanting to learn how to adapt like them. Carol absolutely needed another friend other than Daryl, and I’d argue she still does. Ezekiel is cool n all but I’ve never really felt a proper genuine connection between him and Carol, it felt unnatural/desperate to me. But Axel growing onto Carol really felt genuine, it felt like Carol (who at this point was still coming to terms with her abuse with Ed and losing her daughter), had a sort of sassy feminine wisdom of power of Axel, where SHE was the one making the rules/boundaries between them which I think would’ve really really helped her heal and become a stronger person with how absolutely accepting Axel was of her. Axel added some much needed light hearted humour and conversation that always made Carol smile and I felt really STARTED (because they cut it short smh) to slowly let her accept that there is still potential for non abusive and even nice men that she could have close in her life. Axel didn’t ever question Rick’s authority and immediately understood the power and leadership Rick had, being a yes man to him. I think he could’ve really actually become a mentally strong reliable loyal soldier companion for the group. Someone you could TRUST tasks to, especially because he was growing a bond with Carol. Kinda like Dwight mixed with Abraham in both of their later arcs. I mean what’s the point of going to these new locations if the story isn’t even going to adopt ONE of them into becoming a new member? I hated whenever that happened. Same with Noah’s situation in that aspect as well. These unique character locations/findings of how they come into the group as a single member have SOOOOOO much potential and really feel like a bit of last remaining humanity coming together from everyyyyyyywhere they go. Such a waste of a story. These things could’ve really really solidified TWD as a series
Axel and oscar couldve been really really great for the show, id also like to see big tiny become an actual character too, i get the impression hed be like tyreese,very large and intimidating but a big softie once getting to know him makes me sad that any time someone new is met they jave maybe two episodes before theyre canned and die
@@williamelliott7843 unfortunetly him,Tomas and Andrew were never considered main characters and their fate was sealed the moment they appeared on screen. Unlike the poeple I wrote down.
@@williamelliott7843 especially that canonically we never saw anyone turn after a scratch so he most likely would have been fine had Tomas not killed him.
Imagine if he had made it to Alexandria. Imagine him trying to readapt to a society after surviving out in the wild but also prison before the apocalypse. Imagine how much of an outcast he could he made of when all he wants to do is try to adapt and fit in. Heck, him and Gabriel could gave something where Gabriel helps him forgive the sins of his past or something like that.
I always felt that Axel and Carol were a love story that ended just as it was really starting to develop, for me there were five times that I could see as the "right time" to kill off Axel all five of which happening post season 3. The first would be at the season 4 midseason finally prison battle as that's where he dies in the comics, the second would be in season 6 as a victim of the herd during No Way Out, the third is in late season 7 or early season 8 as casualty for the Alexandrians during All Out War, the fourth is in season 9 as a Whispers pike victim and the last one which is where I feel like he should have died is in season 5 with Carol and Axel taking the place of Andrea and Dale as its Axel that gets his leg eaten only for it to be where he was bitten and there for tainted meat. If anyone agrees with me on any of these let me know or if you feel like there was somewhere else Axel should have died let me know.
@@Kelbonobo no worries man! I have a walking dead iceberg coming out in a few days filled with facts and theories so I hope you check that out when it drops
@@theohuntt I couldn't agree more :) your videos are my favourite TWD content, they are refreshing!Keeps me on the side of loving TWD instead of being bitter. It's such a good show, I still love it so much.
I was always more upset at Oscar's death than at Axel's. I mean, yeah, both of them could have been given more, but Oscar seemed tailor made for this setting. Nothing will top Noah a few seasons later. He should have been a mainstay since Beth lost her life for him! She died for NOTHING in the end. Her death had at least some meaning at first.... the meaning was wiped out like 4 episodes later.
Oscar flipping Rick's Python after offing Andrew was badass. Oscar and Axel should have been the Those Two Guys trope. Never the center of attention, but just stealing small scenes.
Man what id do to give up some of Andreas screen time in exchange for some more Axel. He didn't need to be a character that makes it to s11, but he deserved at least a season or 2 run. Maybe he could be killed by the Termites or something. This may be a very hot take but S3 in general made a lot of mistakes, and even though its still a classic, imo its the weakest link of the "golden era" (s1-5). Episodes 1,2,4 are some of my favorite in the series, but after that it reallly starts to drag right up until the end.
I would have loved to have seen how good of a character Axel could have been if he was allowed to live. Heck if Andrew Lincoln saw potential in him, you know his character would have been good. And having him be a serious regular meant he wouldn't have been killed off anytime soon. Imagine if his relationship with Carol got a lot deeper and that could have had a chance to come into play in season 4. Imagine the conflict he could have had with Rick when finding out he kicked Carol out of the prison. He could have gotten pissed, or imagine if he helped Carol. Plus, seeing him when everyone is scattered could have been good. Imagine if he spent all his time in the prison, never venturing outside of its walls, then having to abandon it after the second attack. Imagine his reactions, and perspective as he's on the outside. Knowing the last time he was outside the prison walls things were normal, and things he once knew were gone. It would be like getting the perspective of the characters when things in the apocalypse first started. Yet also the serial killer angle could have been interesting as well. Imagine if instead of Carol it was Axel doing the killings in season 4. In every episode someone new could be killed and it would mount the mystery. One of the others could be exploring the prison and find a room that wasn't found before. Inside is a burned room, which hold the records of all the prisoners. They find Axel's file in tacked and look it over finding out he was there for murder, which contradicts his story of robbing a store with a water pistol. Axel could then be viewed with suspicion until he was caught. Axel claims he's reformed and he didn't want to kill the people but it did for the greater good. Yet they can't believe him because of how he lied about the reason why he was in prison. Before they could decide what to do with him the prison is attacked. He's on his own, and could either A. Reunite with one of the characters and try to win their trust back B. Become a villain for the characters. That could have been interesting to do. But one scene I clearly envision is him being at Alexandria, imagine if people knew him and were giving him scorn for what he did. That could have been an interesting scenario.
As someone who read the comics before watching the series, its incredible to see the differences between the two and how they could've been more faithful to the original comics.
One thing I often forget is just how ruthless the writing was the early seasons of the show. The writers would hurt us but they would just keep reeling us in, they made it very interesting and wondering what happens next.
On the other hand, any person killed abruptly surely had potential, in real life or fiction. I'd like to think that at least one of the writers considered this a deliberate theme.
I think this was by design. Make interesting characters then kill them off. The whole cycle of shock value the show presented. A lot of characters were introduced from season to season only to be killed off relatively quickly. This was by design. It's no different than when writers focus heavily on a secondary character throughout an episode only to developed love/sympathy only to kill them off by the end of an episode a common trope in film/TV. The Walking Dead would just give us a few more episodes until this fate inevitably happened.
Forgetting that that plotline was completely scrapped and that wasn't canonical. Do you know anything surrounding the writing of his character apart from that? Smh.
While i do agree, i wish he should've stayed alive longer, i dont like the idea of Axel being a villain/serial killer. Kindof goes against his redemption arc and the whole point of keeping him alive, you know.
They scrapped that idea and decided to have him be an actual member of the group, and then out of nowhere decided to have him get killed. Even if he didn't get shot by the Governor that idea was already removed.
Many have already commented this, but it is so true. TWD was terrible at utilizing its characters. It kept killing them all off. Dale was a special case because his actor asked to be killed off, but I loved Dale in the comics and would have loved to see his and Andrea's relationship. Andrea was just annoying in the show, when they should have made her more sympathetic, turning into a valued member eventually. She was Rick's best love interest and straight up one of the coolest comic characters. I never really cared for Michonne in the show. She wasn't nearly as cool and tortured as she was in the comics. Carl, of course, was killed, instead of becoming arguably the most important character overall. T-Dog was an awesome character that they had no idea what to do with. Axel and Oscar were amazing and killed off. Bob was killed, giving him Dale's death from the comics, even though Dale had been there from the beginning, so it felt natural. We just got to meet Bob. Noah was inexplicably killed. Beth was killed right when she got interesting. Tyrese was awful in the show and got killed off before he did anything cool. I stopped watching when most did, shortly after Glenn and Abraham were killed. Not because I was too sad or angry at the deaths, but because I had really stopped liking the show starting in season 3. It just got terrible by season 7. I actually thought the season 7 premiere was decent, because I already knew about Glenn's death in the comics and wanted to see how they could surprise comic readers. Killing Abraham worked for me. It made sense given that Abraham already had a decent arc, and died earlier in the comics anyway, so we got a little extra Abraham in the show. I guess we had to make room for other, more interesting characters like... Tara?...... 🤨 Also, Morales just noped out at the end of season 1? 😂 I liked him. I get why they did; a family man just decided that going it alone would be better for his family. But still, it is a TV show and doesn't have to be perfectly realistic. Why introduce a character and then have him leave willingly a couple episodes later?
Excellent commentary. I liked the prisoners “Axel, Oscar, and Big Tiny” all 3 of them had potential. Axel & Oscar proved themselves to become part of the group, especially Oscar.. I wish at least one of them survived a little longer.
Axel would have been a nice addition to the group. I felt like the show really lacked a laid back character at this time..He at least should have lived one or two seasons longer
Wow I never realized how many characters the writers wasted on TWD , after watching the third season pretty recently for the first time i thought he was nothing burger character but after watching this video damn even Axel could have been a pretty good character too that's wild lol
@@theohuntt yeah it's a bummer some of the characters from the early seasons didn't get more screentime and development because some of these characters could have been great.
The whole prosoner group was wasted tbh. Felt tlike they were all shown as idiots, and cleared out sharpish, to keep the group "weak" for when they had to deal with the Governor
Yeah personally I think one of the prisoners should've survived from Season 3 to give the show another dynamic to work with. Like you said, killing ALL of them off destroyed that opportunity.
I am happy they didn't make him a serial killer that gutted Beth like the planned, but he could have grown to be a fan loved character being a normal dude, socially awkward and well intentioned. Him surviving Terminus and making it to Alexandria would have been great, or even taking Dale/Bob's place being tainted meat.
He was going to continue as a good character after the serial killer thing was scrapped right after the scene with Beth due to Lew Temple's pleading, then all of the sudden they decided to have him die.
I am not sure if Oscars death had any point in his character development, everytime a black dude come into show previous one dies, feels like oscar kinda died to show some casualties in fight with woodbury
Exactly 🤦🏾♀️ when the show first came out and we lost T Dog. I already knew what was going on... it hurts, to be honest... I love this show, but killing off these people just because they can doesn't mean they should
Ok at this point i'm sure you're just gonna make wasted potential videos on every chara ter to ever be on the show Can't wait for the wasted potential of orange backpack road guy
A common issue with the show just as your getting into liking any character that hasnt been there since atleast the second episode they almost never survive a single season
I never really felt much for Axel one way or another. I'm just glad he didn't go the route of the comics because I adore Beth. Another character that was squandered.
the potential of the wolf member that Morgan met on the road in season 6 even thou he was a villian i think that he should have lasted atleast a season or two becoming an anti hero and joining the group
I don't really like the idea of him as a killer. I know in the comics there was the one guy who was a killer but I think it is just too on the nose to have a convict be the "secret" serial killer.
They scrapped that idea and decided to have him be an actual member of the group, and then out of nowhere decided to have him get killed. Even if he didn't get shot by the Governor that idea was already removed
i understand that Rick had a hard time trusting them but i honestly felt him and Oscar deserved way better. and him and carol were getting closer also. i think he would’ve treated her right.
In that case half of the characters that meanwhile did survive shouldn't have. There's plenty of points in the early series when people should've died. You're saying Dale's death was well-written? Of all the times people are grabbed by walkers he's the only one ever to be disembowled like that.. Hey, why not have Carl, Beth and Daryl all get killed by random gunfire in the second Prison fight? You know, because that is 110% realistic, that happens in real life.
@@SStupendous Pretty much, yeah. That's why people liked GoT so much in the earlier seasons and it fell off when it lost that charm. Dale's death was only written that way as a slight insult to the actor for siding with the previous showrunner that AMC screwed over, so of course his character got the strange death. Same with Andrea who's actress had disagreements with the current showrunner. Either way, the writing just got worse later on as they introduced bland characters who "replace" the characters that died for simply pissing off the showrunner. Lmfao.
this is honestly the reason why i hated season 3, they killed off too many characters too soon without any of them getting full developments. Oscar, Axel, Andrea and T-Dog all had potential to become better characters but season 3's showrunner just wanted a lot of shocking deaths that yes it did impact some of the characters but not the story so it was very pointless to just have this many deaths.
They scrapped that idea and decided to have him be an actual member of the group, and then out of nowhere decided to have him get killed. Even if he didn't get shot by the Governor that idea was already removed.
You guys want to talk about wasted characters? Only one character tops the rest as far as his story, potential, and death being completely mishandled. Aldin. Aldin deserved much better than what he got. And being a side character, his death had little to no impact or recognition. Carl dying was a travesty recognized by the entire community. Aldin's death was pure injustice that was swept under the rug as an after thought.
YEAH ALDIN WAS A GOOD GUY AND HE DESERVES A HAPPY ENDING DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN ENID AND ALDIN OFFICIALLY IN A RELATIONSHIP IN THAT DAY ENID GOT BEHEADED AND DIED BUT DO YOU KNOW WHO'S THE REASON WHY ALDIN DIED? BECAUSE OF MAGGIE'S POOR DECISION
not only was he killed to early, he also has a dope ass mustache....
Hahahaha so true I’m jealous of the man
Twd always has so many characters that were wasted potential it’s insane.
I know I’m rewatching it now and it’s actually crazy how many characters were underutilised!
True, very true
@@theohuntt exactly!!!
That’s the point, decent people die in an apocalyptic wasteland just the same as any other.
@@chuckmangione4747yeah that’s kind of how I would say it too. People aren’t supposed to survive, however I feel like they gave so many other characters way too much plot armor.
I never liked how none of the prisoners survived. It would have been nice to see them get a new lease on life.
Yeah it just makes those characters completely pointless and meaningless because all of them died ok Andrew is the reason Lori is dead but that’s the only point just wasted potential honestly would rather of not had them in the first place if we weren’t gonna get one new main character out of them
@@forcelord9999 yeah, should have at least made it to Terminus.
Both Axel and Oscar were killed off way too quickly
Dude had more lines than T-Dog
But I feel more peed off about Oscar the most.
He had two great scenes with Rick & Daryl: "I ain't never begged for my life." at gun point & shooting his inmate who set off the alarm and giving the gun back to Rick to prove himself even more.
He could've been one of the Lieutenants and maybe lose him once we get to Alexandria.
I don’t think he liked being on the show, but I agree
@@kmdreacts in my rewrite I had him die during the Governor's attack with the tank in S4. Gave him more room to develop quite nicely.
Unfortunately, T-Dog got "Mazzara-ed". The S2 & S3 showrunner messed up the development of t-Dog and Andrea.
@@lastrrr4134frrr T-Dog actually was a main character in the first season, dude got his arm cut in season 2 and became background
The thing I found quite sad about the show is how everytime there is a new group of people in the show, almost all if not all of them end up dying. Mainly the prisoners and the Alexandrians come to mind. It's especially bad with Alexandria because they introduced so many characters, just to kill basically all of them off in less than two seasons
Then when they stay alive they have plot armor
Exactly, I'm watching fwd right now, killed off most of the people they started with within 2 seasons, like why, they could of given them so much better stories and room to grow but it's "death shockers" I see which sucks...
Yeah such a good point, and the show really struggles in the later seasons as most of the OG cast moved on if they’d actually developed some of these characters and kept them around the transition to the later seasons wouldnt have been that bad
@@theohuntt characters exiting the show like Morgan or Maggie would hurt way less if they had more characters to work with but litreally the only pre Alexandria characters they had in S9 were Rick,Daryl,Carol,Michonne,Judith,Rosita and Eugene
And woodbury xD all of the Woodbury/survivors connected to the governor are dead...but we got Magna's group right?
Right guys?
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When I first watched the show I liked Axel and when he died I felt the same way, in the comics he had a bigger role siding with ricks group over the prisoners.
Yeah he definitely deserved a much bigger role
i’ll never forget the first time i watched TWD and thinking “man i really like Axel, he seems like a coo-“ **gets shot**
Straight up trauma man u can't trust this show 😭
@@leanio8740 for real, shit startled me the first time 😭
Poor Axel, killed off at the peak of his character. Such a shame, like others from the Prison era and before, Axel really deserved better.
Dude I love you're content so much. Bob, Noah, and now Axel? I like that you're always talking about characters from the show that are so underrated. Especially since all of them are my favorite characters. You might ever talk about Tyrese and how different he is from his comics?
Thank you so much man!!! And funny enough I’m literally editing that video right now it should be out in a few days!
At least his end on the show was relatively painless
Actually happy to see someone make a video for axel
Thanks I hope you enjoyed it!
I remember seeing this character and think "oh, a character named the same as me! I hope he stays with the group!".
You can imagine the dissapointment
This represented the continual introduction of new characters, time spent developing them, just to kill them off for shock.
I remember how disappointed my brother was when this character was killed off. He was really starting to get attached. Probably one of the biggest wastes.
Fun fact:
I did a Walking Dead rewrite before the final season realesed. (Even funnier I predicted a lot of things). It lasted 16 seasons and one of the things I changed was Axel.
I had Axel survive until S9 and he was one of the pike victims.
I have to know what that rewrite or fanfiction is called!
@@SeanFarar I haven't actually postwd it as I'm too scared due to many controvertial decisions but if you have social media I could perhaps send it to you via a link to tue document
@@filipgaecki5480 Well, I would like to read it as well, if possible
@@aysun4120 I mean if you have a facebook or discord then sure I guess
@@filipgaecki5480 I WANNA READ THAT AS WELL! Also thought I was the only one who "rewrote" tv shows lol
I liked Axel and the other prisioner that died at Woodbury.
The other guy his name was Oscar similar to Axel. Kinda taken away to soon considering i think he would have made a fairly good addition to the cast for at least another season probably reaching season 4.
They were very good characters it’s a shame they went so soon
I'm still relatively new to the TWD fandom (only watched the show about 1.5 years ago) but I've seen countless videos essays and yours are definitely my favourite. I've been loving these underrated character videos!
Axel is probably my favourite single-season character. He and Oscar could've been great longtime additions to the gang so it's sad that they sort of got the same "bad guy gets some redemption in the end" treatment the writers gave to Merle when these guys were so genuinely nice to everyone the whole time.
And random thought but I think it would've been cool to see the dynamic Axel and Eugene could've had. I feel like they would've had an "odd couple" vibe, sort of like Pinky and the Brain haha
Thank you so much for the kind words, and yeah that would be a very interesting dynamic I feel like they would be comedy gold to watch with Eugenes seriousness and Axels light hearted side. Which character would you like to see me do next?
Yeah, I was soo sad they died, Axel was a nice cool guy, the scene where Andrea tell him she's not a lesbian just because of the short haur, and he instantly goes into flirt mode was my favourite. I really wanted to see him atleast last longer I wanted to see more of him
Axel was a beloved character from the comics for me. I was hoping this phenomenal characterization we were getting in the television show would expand upon his story but sadly we did not receive that. Love you Axel, rest in piece homie
Every time I rewatch the series, I end up STILL frustrated and upset over the amount of wasted potential Axel had. Axel was both immature with his sense of the new world, and his much needed casual humour and demeanour (which was SUCH a nice welcome to the group since everyone else was depressed the whole time), and mature at the same time with his similar age to Carol and a willingness to accept Rick and the groups ways and wanting to learn how to adapt like them. Carol absolutely needed another friend other than Daryl, and I’d argue she still does. Ezekiel is cool n all but I’ve never really felt a proper genuine connection between him and Carol, it felt unnatural/desperate to me. But Axel growing onto Carol really felt genuine, it felt like Carol (who at this point was still coming to terms with her abuse with Ed and losing her daughter), had a sort of sassy feminine wisdom of power of Axel, where SHE was the one making the rules/boundaries between them which I think would’ve really really helped her heal and become a stronger person with how absolutely accepting Axel was of her. Axel added some much needed light hearted humour and conversation that always made Carol smile and I felt really STARTED (because they cut it short smh) to slowly let her accept that there is still potential for non abusive and even nice men that she could have close in her life.
Axel didn’t ever question Rick’s authority and immediately understood the power and leadership Rick had, being a yes man to him. I think he could’ve really actually become a mentally strong reliable loyal soldier companion for the group. Someone you could TRUST tasks to, especially because he was growing a bond with Carol. Kinda like Dwight mixed with Abraham in both of their later arcs.
I mean what’s the point of going to these new locations if the story isn’t even going to adopt ONE of them into becoming a new member? I hated whenever that happened. Same with Noah’s situation in that aspect as well. These unique character locations/findings of how they come into the group as a single member have SOOOOOO much potential and really feel like a bit of last remaining humanity coming together from everyyyyyyywhere they go. Such a waste of a story. These things could’ve really really solidified TWD as a series
Yes him getting smacked in the forehead scarred me as a kid💀
Hahahaha it definitely made me jump
Axel and oscar couldve been really really great for the show, id also like to see big tiny become an actual character too, i get the impression hed be like tyreese,very large and intimidating but a big softie once getting to know him makes me sad that any time someone new is met they jave maybe two episodes before theyre canned and die
The prisoner characters were my favorite. I wish they lasted longer, because they had a lot of potential.
Axel survived for 40 damn issues in the comics. They just couldn't spare him til season 4 in TV series.
All S3 characters except Lori were killed last second and it shows. T-Dog,Oscar,Axel,Merle and Andrea had so much untapped potential as characters
What about big tiny 😢
@@williamelliott7843 unfortunetly him,Tomas and Andrew were never considered main characters and their fate was sealed the moment they appeared on screen. Unlike the poeple I wrote down.
@@filipgaecki5480 but how funny wouldn't been to see big tiny throw a walkers at people or more walkers 🤣
@@williamelliott7843 the guy would be a beast ngl
@@williamelliott7843 especially that canonically we never saw anyone turn after a scratch so he most likely would have been fine had Tomas not killed him.
Imagine if he had made it to Alexandria. Imagine him trying to readapt to a society after surviving out in the wild but also prison before the apocalypse. Imagine how much of an outcast he could he made of when all he wants to do is try to adapt and fit in. Heck, him and Gabriel could gave something where Gabriel helps him forgive the sins of his past or something like that.
The serial killer arc would have been epic, and would let Rick flex his police muscle.
Thank you!!! i’ve been rewatching recently and I felt so sad no one seemed to notice him.
He’s So underrated man :(
I always felt that Axel and Carol were a love story that ended just as it was really starting to develop, for me there were five times that I could see as the "right time" to kill off Axel all five of which happening post season 3. The first would be at the season 4 midseason finally prison battle as that's where he dies in the comics, the second would be in season 6 as a victim of the herd during No Way Out, the third is in late season 7 or early season 8 as casualty for the Alexandrians during All Out War, the fourth is in season 9 as a Whispers pike victim and the last one which is where I feel like he should have died is in season 5 with Carol and Axel taking the place of Andrea and Dale as its Axel that gets his leg eaten only for it to be where he was bitten and there for tainted meat. If anyone agrees with me on any of these let me know or if you feel like there was somewhere else Axel should have died let me know.
I'm surprised he was originally going to be the tv version of Thomas Richard
Lew Temple is also a really cool guy. Met him at a con once and ended up talking about Texas rock and outlaw country.
Its sorta crazy that i just started watching TWD and these videos are somewhat recent. Thanks for these!
@@Kelbonobo no worries man! I have a walking dead iceberg coming out in a few days filled with facts and theories so I hope you check that out when it drops
They could of both lived till least the mid season finale of season 4
This channel is such a gem ❤ I love these videos, good dose of nostalgia! Thank you
You are very welcome my friend nothing better than a bit of nostalgia on a Tuesday evening:)
@@theohuntt I couldn't agree more :) your videos are my favourite TWD content, they are refreshing!Keeps me on the side of loving TWD instead of being bitter. It's such a good show, I still love it so much.
@@moths_42 yeah I couldn’t agree more the walking dead holds such a special place in my heart! Such a good series
I was always more upset at Oscar's death than at Axel's. I mean, yeah, both of them could have been given more, but Oscar seemed tailor made for this setting.
Nothing will top Noah a few seasons later. He should have been a mainstay since Beth lost her life for him! She died for NOTHING in the end. Her death had at least some meaning at first.... the meaning was wiped out like 4 episodes later.
I was so sad when Axle got domed. Dude was chill af.
Oscar flipping Rick's Python after offing Andrew was badass. Oscar and Axel should have been the Those Two Guys trope. Never the center of attention, but just stealing small scenes.
Man what id do to give up some of Andreas screen time in exchange for some more Axel. He didn't need to be a character that makes it to s11, but he deserved at least a season or 2 run. Maybe he could be killed by the Termites or something. This may be a very hot take but S3 in general made a lot of mistakes, and even though its still a classic, imo its the weakest link of the "golden era" (s1-5). Episodes 1,2,4 are some of my favorite in the series, but after that it reallly starts to drag right up until the end.
He could have easily became a redemption character who ends up dying for a greater cause
Honestly I didn't even fully remember who Axel was. Truly a waste and sadly left such little mark on the rest of the show.
Yeah he really got such a short time on the show and it sucked because he showed so much potential:/
He and Carol would have been fun together.
I liked his character in the comics, you feel me.
I hate how when watching the show it felt like any character that wasnt one of the like 5 main characters will all eventually die
I loved axel since we met him! Awesome content man love your shit
Thank you so much It means a lot bro :)
the govner will always be the most evil villain for getting rid of axel bruh
I would have loved to have seen how good of a character Axel could have been if he was allowed to live. Heck if Andrew Lincoln saw potential in him, you know his character would have been good. And having him be a serious regular meant he wouldn't have been killed off anytime soon. Imagine if his relationship with Carol got a lot deeper and that could have had a chance to come into play in season 4. Imagine the conflict he could have had with Rick when finding out he kicked Carol out of the prison. He could have gotten pissed, or imagine if he helped Carol. Plus, seeing him when everyone is scattered could have been good. Imagine if he spent all his time in the prison, never venturing outside of its walls, then having to abandon it after the second attack. Imagine his reactions, and perspective as he's on the outside. Knowing the last time he was outside the prison walls things were normal, and things he once knew were gone. It would be like getting the perspective of the characters when things in the apocalypse first started.
Yet also the serial killer angle could have been interesting as well. Imagine if instead of Carol it was Axel doing the killings in season 4. In every episode someone new could be killed and it would mount the mystery. One of the others could be exploring the prison and find a room that wasn't found before. Inside is a burned room, which hold the records of all the prisoners. They find Axel's file in tacked and look it over finding out he was there for murder, which contradicts his story of robbing a store with a water pistol. Axel could then be viewed with suspicion until he was caught. Axel claims he's reformed and he didn't want to kill the people but it did for the greater good. Yet they can't believe him because of how he lied about the reason why he was in prison. Before they could decide what to do with him the prison is attacked. He's on his own, and could either
A. Reunite with one of the characters and try to win their trust back
B. Become a villain for the characters.
That could have been interesting to do. But one scene I clearly envision is him being at Alexandria, imagine if people knew him and were giving him scorn for what he did. That could have been an interesting scenario.
As someone who read the comics before watching the series, its incredible to see the differences between the two and how they could've been more faithful to the original comics.
One thing i hated about seasons 3 up until the end of season 10 was they basically killed off way before they seeemingly needed to.
One thing I often forget is just how ruthless the writing was the early seasons of the show. The writers would hurt us but they would just keep reeling us in, they made it very interesting and wondering what happens next.
On the other hand, any person killed abruptly surely had potential, in real life or fiction. I'd like to think that at least one of the writers considered this a deliberate theme.
I think this was by design. Make interesting characters then kill them off. The whole cycle of shock value the show presented. A lot of characters were introduced from season to season only to be killed off relatively quickly. This was by design. It's no different than when writers focus heavily on a secondary character throughout an episode only to developed love/sympathy only to kill them off by the end of an episode a common trope in film/TV. The Walking Dead would just give us a few more episodes until this fate inevitably happened.
forgetting that this man is a predator i see
Forgetting that that plotline was completely scrapped and that wasn't canonical. Do you know anything surrounding the writing of his character apart from that? Smh.
@@SStupendous yeah i know about the bullet that went through his head by an actual badass wbu
One of the most wasted potential characters was Alex from Flight 462. She won an Emmy for her role
She survived. She's in FTWD.
While i do agree, i wish he should've stayed alive longer, i dont like the idea of Axel being a villain/serial killer. Kindof goes against his redemption arc and the whole point of keeping him alive, you know.
They scrapped that idea and decided to have him be an actual member of the group, and then out of nowhere decided to have him get killed. Even if he didn't get shot by the Governor that idea was already removed.
This channel is gonna blow up soon
Thank you man! I’m hoping so, I also hope you enjoy my future content
Many have already commented this, but it is so true. TWD was terrible at utilizing its characters. It kept killing them all off. Dale was a special case because his actor asked to be killed off, but I loved Dale in the comics and would have loved to see his and Andrea's relationship. Andrea was just annoying in the show, when they should have made her more sympathetic, turning into a valued member eventually. She was Rick's best love interest and straight up one of the coolest comic characters. I never really cared for Michonne in the show. She wasn't nearly as cool and tortured as she was in the comics.
Carl, of course, was killed, instead of becoming arguably the most important character overall. T-Dog was an awesome character that they had no idea what to do with. Axel and Oscar were amazing and killed off. Bob was killed, giving him Dale's death from the comics, even though Dale had been there from the beginning, so it felt natural. We just got to meet Bob. Noah was inexplicably killed. Beth was killed right when she got interesting. Tyrese was awful in the show and got killed off before he did anything cool.
I stopped watching when most did, shortly after Glenn and Abraham were killed. Not because I was too sad or angry at the deaths, but because I had really stopped liking the show starting in season 3. It just got terrible by season 7.
I actually thought the season 7 premiere was decent, because I already knew about Glenn's death in the comics and wanted to see how they could surprise comic readers. Killing Abraham worked for me. It made sense given that Abraham already had a decent arc, and died earlier in the comics anyway, so we got a little extra Abraham in the show. I guess we had to make room for other, more interesting characters like... Tara?...... 🤨
Also, Morales just noped out at the end of season 1? 😂 I liked him. I get why they did; a family man just decided that going it alone would be better for his family. But still, it is a TV show and doesn't have to be perfectly realistic. Why introduce a character and then have him leave willingly a couple episodes later?
Former bank employee here.
If you rob somewhere and allude you have a weapon, it's automatically armed robbery.
Excellent commentary. I liked the prisoners “Axel, Oscar, and Big Tiny” all 3 of them had potential. Axel & Oscar proved themselves to become part of the group, especially Oscar.. I wish at least one of them survived a little longer.
Loving the breakdowns dude!!! Great channel
Axel would have been a nice addition to the group. I felt like the show really lacked a laid back character at this time..He at least should have lived one or two seasons longer
I really liked that character. I never forgot him.
Wow I never realized how many characters the writers wasted on TWD , after watching the third season pretty recently for the first time i thought he was nothing burger character but after watching this video damn even Axel could have been a pretty good character too that's wild lol
Yeah it’s kind of a shame it’s my only small complaint about the early seasons of the show is the wasted potential of a couple of characters
@@theohuntt yeah it's a bummer some of the characters from the early seasons didn't get more screentime and development because some of these characters could have been great.
The whole prosoner group was wasted tbh.
Felt tlike they were all shown as idiots, and cleared out sharpish, to keep the group "weak" for when they had to deal with the Governor
Axel has possibly one of the best deaths in tv history
TWD wasted so many good potential characters and storylines
Yeah personally I think one of the prisoners should've survived from Season 3 to give the show another dynamic to work with. Like you said, killing ALL of them off destroyed that opportunity.
I am happy they didn't make him a serial killer that gutted Beth like the planned, but he could have grown to be a fan loved character being a normal dude, socially awkward and well intentioned. Him surviving Terminus and making it to Alexandria would have been great, or even taking Dale/Bob's place being tainted meat.
He was going to continue as a good character after the serial killer thing was scrapped right after the scene with Beth due to Lew Temple's pleading, then all of the sudden they decided to have him die.
I am not sure if Oscars death had any point in his character development, everytime a black dude come into show previous one dies, feels like oscar kinda died to show some casualties in fight with woodbury
Exactly 🤦🏾♀️ when the show first came out and we lost T Dog. I already knew what was going on... it hurts, to be honest... I love this show, but killing off these people just because they can doesn't mean they should
I really liked Axel and Oscar, I am really sad that they got knocked off so early. I really felt a connection between Axel and Carol.
The Walking Dead did this with so many Characters.
Writers knew what they were doing, axel was in the middle of his life story, getting along with carol just to get domed and i hate it😂
Ok at this point i'm sure you're just gonna make wasted potential videos on every chara ter to ever be on the show
Can't wait for the wasted potential of orange backpack road guy
LMAO
I promise this is the last wasted potential for a while hahah it’s just there all preforming so well! I’ll mix it up next video
Would watch that just out of intrigue hahaha
Should have keep Axel around for a few seasons, could have done alot great things with his character, could have been a great love interest for Carol.
Just as we started to like him, they took him away
never truly cared about him but seemed like a nice guy.
Loved this we need tyreese now
Yes sir, he will be up next :)
A common issue with the show just as your getting into liking any character that hasnt been there since atleast the second episode they almost never survive a single season
I never really felt much for Axel one way or another. I'm just glad he didn't go the route of the comics because I adore Beth. Another character that was squandered.
I really liked Oscar and axel, wish we got more time with them
the potential of the wolf member that Morgan met on the road in season 6 even thou he was a villian i think that he should have lasted atleast a season or two becoming an anti hero and joining the group
In a way it's pretty realistic, like how in life you will meet people who could have done some amazing things but they just die suddenly.
Axel is a pretty cool dude ‘you follow me?’
I don't really like the idea of him as a killer. I know in the comics there was the one guy who was a killer but I think it is just too on the nose to have a convict be the "secret" serial killer.
They scrapped that idea and decided to have him be an actual member of the group, and then out of nowhere decided to have him get killed. Even if he didn't get shot by the Governor that idea was already removed
Both of the prisoners who joined the group deserved better. I've always been pissed Everytime I see their deaths lmao
Another great review, keep up the good work :)
i understand that Rick had a hard time trusting them but i honestly felt him and Oscar deserved way better. and him and carol were getting closer also. i think he would’ve treated her right.
I liked the character he was chill
Yea i considered this guy nice and thought he'd live for a short while
ANDY LINCOLN WENT TO THE TOP, FIGHTING TO KEEP HIM.
Oscar and Axel both got wasted so bad, Season 3 should’ve kept T-Dog, Oscar, and Axel alive, also maybe Andrea but make her character arc better.
Omg I voted for this, ty so much!
The andrea ones gonna be good
The writing was better back then, so that's why characters like this didn't last like it would happen in real life.
In that case half of the characters that meanwhile did survive shouldn't have. There's plenty of points in the early series when people should've died. You're saying Dale's death was well-written? Of all the times people are grabbed by walkers he's the only one ever to be disembowled like that..
Hey, why not have Carl, Beth and Daryl all get killed by random gunfire in the second Prison fight? You know, because that is 110% realistic, that happens in real life.
@@SStupendous Pretty much, yeah. That's why people liked GoT so much in the earlier seasons and it fell off when it lost that charm.
Dale's death was only written that way as a slight insult to the actor for siding with the previous showrunner that AMC screwed over, so of course his character got the strange death. Same with Andrea who's actress had disagreements with the current showrunner. Either way, the writing just got worse later on as they introduced bland characters who "replace" the characters that died for simply pissing off the showrunner. Lmfao.
I really like axel and Oscar, damn shame they died so quick
You should do a “Wasted potential of Shiva in twd”
this is honestly the reason why i hated season 3, they killed off too many characters too soon without any of them getting full developments. Oscar, Axel, Andrea and T-Dog all had potential to become better characters but season 3's showrunner just wanted a lot of shocking deaths that yes it did impact some of the characters but not the story so it was very pointless to just have this many deaths.
I think he was originally supposed to kill off Beth.
Yeah that would have been a better way for her to die than she actually did
They scrapped that idea and decided to have him be an actual member of the group, and then out of nowhere decided to have him get killed. Even if he didn't get shot by the Governor that idea was already removed.
You guys want to talk about wasted characters? Only one character tops the rest as far as his story, potential, and death being completely mishandled.
Aldin. Aldin deserved much better than what he got. And being a side character, his death had little to no impact or recognition. Carl dying was a travesty recognized by the entire community. Aldin's death was pure injustice that was swept under the rug as an after thought.
YEAH ALDIN WAS A GOOD GUY AND HE DESERVES A HAPPY ENDING DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN ENID AND ALDIN OFFICIALLY IN A RELATIONSHIP IN THAT DAY ENID GOT BEHEADED AND DIED
BUT DO YOU KNOW WHO'S THE REASON WHY ALDIN DIED?
BECAUSE OF MAGGIE'S POOR DECISION
Axel reminded me of mr. obi wan kenobi lol