I hate that the fear made me loathe Morgan. 😭 I remember on the main show I liked him even when people were annoyed at him. Changing the whole fear series to fit him instead of updating him to fit into the fear world and seeing how he can adapt into this world was a bad move that both ruined Morgan and fear. 😭
Sameeeee I loved Morgan in the main show and I think Lennie James is a great actor but the material he has to work with in the later seasons of fear is just so bad 😭😭😭
@@theohuntt how bad did things actually get with morgan? i tried holding out for another season after nick died. but i just couldn't stand the new atmosphere , characters or liked it enough to keep watching. but i still followed channels who covered the show.
Dude, Madison going from caring guidance counselor, whose role was to help youths with their problems to becoming an irredeemable villain would have been fantastic. Seeing her going down that road from the very beginning was great, until it fell into the hands of Gimple and his circus clowns. Fear was such a fantastic break from the main show, I remember seeing the ads for it and being somewhat flippant on it’s existence but those first two episodes sold me on how magical this show was going to be, and I will never forgive the writers for what they turned this show into. I get Cliff Curtis had to leave because of his Avatar contract, but you could have easily had him “leave” to deal with the grief of losing his son and killing those two in Rosarito. That way he could have been brought back later on. And Frank Dilane originally left because he didn’t like the direction the show was taking (or so I’ve heard) so that was the final nail in the coffin for me. Seeing the fall of society was great and haunting as well. This is the bloodiest time in human history, the initial 63 days that Rick slept through, the brutal and unforgiving way society came to a crashing halt. A day where you woke up getting ready for work or heading to school and it ends in massive riots, lockdowns, power failures and the eventual end of everything. That scene of the Clark’s driving through the quiet streets of Los Angeles has always stuck with me. Here is a massive metropolis, with millions of people and all of the streets are devoid of life. No cars, no planes, no one. And seeing Operation Cobalt in action was the death of this huge city. The series lost its spark, and it’s sad we will never see what would have been. Going to Mexico was also great, because we get to see how another government handled the outbreak, and who could forget the Cosmonaut Strand spoke to? A man who was set to come down three days before the end and is now stuck in space? So many little details made Fear so good. But that’s enough rambling from me. Sorry for the long comment but I’m like you, man, this show was special and I am still pissed at what it became. Great video! Hope to see more in the future!
Yeah I’m with you it was such a special feel and felt totally refreshing from the main show! So many interesting new characters and new Scenery I was gutted to see what season 4 became :(
I wish Dave Erickson could reveal to fans how he intended the show to continue and conclude. Like I’d even settle for 5 bullet points per season I just want to know the true fate of these characters so badly it’s criminal how they ruined this show after s3
Yes, Madison was such a great character. At some point, the watcher would realise that the biggest villain of the story was the character they’ve grown to love for years.
Scott Gimple has the creativity of a wet slice of bread. God, I hate this dude. The first three seasons of fear were amazing, the third one is my favorite and the reboot SUCKED (starting by that shitty blueish-grey filter). Great video as always!
This HURTS man, I fucking LOVED seasons 1-3 so much! I don't know why, but it just really, genuinely clicked with me and I was hooked. The only thing I could really think of when I started watching season 4 was "Where's Proctor John? Why are they in Texas? What cave??? Why are they telling, but not showing??????" As a writer of sorts, it just pains me and hurts my soul, big soul ochie a bandaid can't fix qwq
What was annoying, and something my sister pointed out when Season 4 started airing, is that instead of yanking Morgan out of the main series to put him in Fear... They could have easily brought back Abraham. Close to the start of the outbreak he was around Texas, where the Fear cast were by s3. And in the main series he was killed by Negan, so his actor would have time to do Fear!
FTWD could've been one of the best zombie shows of all time. It's a shame AMC continues to reward Scott Pimple for basically running this franchise to the ground. it really it hurts when I think of what this show could've been if Dave wasn't fired.....
Nick is one of my favorite characters in the entire TWD universe too, when he died I lost the interest in the show his death was the start of the show's decline. I watched all seasons because I was curious about Rick's involvement in the story, but it never happened. They totally ignored everything, Grace leaving in that chopper, Morgan looking for Rick at the end, not to mention THe Ones Who Live was the worst spin off of all, and it should have been the best.
Feel the same but also when travis died I really struggled to carry on watching. As for the ones who live spin off.... Just look up who was the showrunner for that spin off and you have everything answered to why it was so trash lol. Things like that which have the potential for the most amazing lore in twd universe and instead over shadowed by random no name characters that michonne meets
I hold the first three seasons very special to me because of how grounded it was rather more over the top with the main show and how it clearly adapts its comic book counterparts. I was going through a bad time with substance use and the realization of my family dynamic being very dysfunctional overall, so it was nice to see this family (specifically Madison) be so harsh yet be so hellbent on keeping her family together that it just ends up ripping them apart. To see how it’s just rebooted after season 3 and the Clark’s are just background characters and wasted hurt to see and also how it continued to go on with its seasons (beyond 7 seasons which, was the original limit that Erickson wanted). Also, Fear looked so much more cinematic in its filming style and didn’t have that grainy filter.
Nah the show died the moment Gimple was named new show runner. He would have massacred Nick's character to a point we all would start disliking Nick if he stayed.
The moment Nick died, I completely lost interest in FTWD. The samething that happened when Negan killed Glenn, these two characters were so special for me, I dont know why, but when they died, I couldn't be asked to keep watching, it seemed my journey through TWD ended with them 🫡 .
When they put Darryl in that mf closet, nude with that dog food sandwich. All that music blaring!! I was done!! I was already done with Glenn but Darryl in that closet is when I gave up!! Stopped watching it!!
@@LilithsCosmicLounge yeah I get what you mean, I'm not against the concept of characters dying, the commonality between All these deaths is they come off as extremely disrespectful to the characters.
Season 1 was great, seeing how the virus spread, getting some pre apocalypse stuff to see. My ideal would would be a walking dead prequel, seeing the origin of the virus and how it spread
The show went downhill once Morgan arrived I seriously NEVER understood the love for the character I never found him interesting especially as a lead also killing off Nick that was too much
I agree that the lighting is everything in a series. It gives the show its very own unique feeling. The filter in the later seasons didn’t quite hit the same as the cinematography in s1-3. Just imagine if Breaking Bad got rid of its filters, I don’t think I could watch it without their unique cinematography. Also just to add, Nick left because he didn’t like the direction the show was going. He wouldn’t of left if the new directors were actually going to do a good job with his character.
@@theohuntt the funny thing is they still tried to ruin his character with the whole angry about Madison stuff which made him react how we wouldn’t expect him to.
I'd argue the first season was the only good part. As soon as they got on that boat everything went to hell. The pointless Flight 462 tie-in, the forgettable villains, the overabundance of side character fodder, and most importantly the utter disrespect and waste of Chris, Travis, and Ofelia. Everything after season one slowly, then swiftly in season four, devolved into an even worse Z Nation. Never forget "The Filthy Woman."
I think fear the walking dead should have been more an anthology series were it focuses on different during the start of the apocalypse and how they react and the people around them react to and see if they will adapt like a half season of one characters or full season
I actually think Alisha was the heart of the show and they should have focused on her instead of bringing Morgan in. Madison was also a strong enough character to carry on the show.
The first season was a little bit more down to earth and realistic compared to the superhuman characters of Rick's group. They were not special, weak, flawed, confused, scared and had no idea what to do. I loved it. Rick in the first episode was like that until he went to the police station then he turned into batman. Confident, fearless, and always knew what to do. Many people complained FTWD was too slow and gradually they made the characters superhuman. Carol became massively superhuman. Glenn could go anywhere and escape: superhuman. Jim could see the future. Michonne was a expert samurai. Shane was like a body builder on steroids. Sasha could of fought WWII single handedly. There was nothing Daryl couldn't do except socialize in large crowds. Rosita was a walking military field manual. Eugene was Mcguyver. Lori could annoy anyone within a radius of 100 yards. Morgan was impervious to death. Jesus was a judo expert/acrobat/stuntman/Houdini/pacifist who could walk on water. You get the picture.
I quit right after they killed Nick as that not only pissed me off but the fact that his sister moments later would just spare her brothers killer was too much
Travis’s “random” death is much more realistic than going out in a blaze of heroic glory. Not everyone dies in a cinematic and inspiring way. Sometimes you just get unlucky.
Honestly some of the location settings in Fear had also alot potential like the rest of the Los Angeles metropolitan area And alot more of California hell one of the Saviors in TWD came escaped from San Francisco also Mexico had more potential like a setting in Cabo or La Paz Ensenada As for Texas a setting in Houston Or Dallas would have been cool we Know that the CRM had El Paso Texas marked as a Location and some Texas Cities were Hit by the nuke a Las Vegas Nevada setting would have been fire too
I can see why they shifted into Morgan. Once a lot of the actors left, there was no family really to continue how the original first 3 seasons were. However, they should’ve tried harder to keep them, since main reason was new writing, characters, and set.
For a moment I thought they were on a good track back when season 6 started i remember some of those episodes were really good, specially the one about John doing detective work, such a shame things went downhill from there.
When I started watching ftwd I had no idea how bad it's gonna get after season 3. I always felt like some characters will live much longer than they did(like Nick or Troy) and when I started watching season 4 I literally went "bro, tf is that?" Cause it doesn't feel like ftwd or even twd at all. Scott Gimple should be fired with no permission to script anything in the future, cause I swear, dude ruins everything he touches. 💀💀💀 Thanks for the video tho!
Just binge watched “Fear The Walking Dead” up to middle of the 4th season (episode 10). I can 100% say the first three seasons were incredible (outside of Travis’s death). Nick and Madison carries the show with my personal favorite character being Victor, he’s what I’d think most people would act like during an actual apocalypse like scenario, not completely heartless but always self preservation first. Now, season 4, absolutely embodies when a show is said to go downhill. Episode by episode, I began to dislike the dynamic between characters already established and ESPECIALLY hated Naomi when they introduced her. Every episode (going back and forth within the timeline) took whatever hope I had for the series and slowly crushed it. I had no idea the original series suffered from the same bad writing and from the same exact director that took over for season 4 of fear. It’s so bad and uninteresting I can’t even finish it. Overall the show was good for what it was, 3 seasons of greatness and the rest absolute 🐕 💩
Tbh the show was never great. They didn’t start off with characters really to care about besides maybe nick. The actors lack emotion and travis face irritates me. Don’t let me get started on Madison’s lack of facial expressions. Season 1 is just so slow and nothing exciting.. Alicia and Nick were the only people in the early seasons that actually tried to carry the show.
Man, imagine if Shane left in S2 with Andrea, and we see them join Fear later, it would've been so cool for Andrea's character, Shane kinda had to die for Rick to cement himself as a leader, but it is a very interesting what if. Another theory i used to hear back in the day is that Madison would turn out to be Alpha, and we'd see them on the main show, imagine how badass that would've been, a man can dream.
I absolutely hated how rushed the collapse of society was. Every zombie movie and show always seems to either rush or completely neglect it altogether and it's so irritating. Showing the chaos, the strain on emergency services, the collapse of the energy grid, etc provides so much content and would be so interesting, but it's never shown.
Scott gimple is just poison at this point. It's like with the new spin offs. I loved dead city and Daryl Dixon. But as soon as I watched the ones who live I could see all the trademark terrible dialogue of Scott gimple. Gimple speak just kills my immersion.
I couldn't get past season 1. The big problem for me was that I didn't care about the characters at all. They were so flat and blah. Everything that made the original series so good in the early seasons was lacking in Fear.
Brilliant video. Thanks so much for explaining how most of FTWD fans feel. I will never get over or stop lamenting the lost of Dave Erickson to this show or the wasted potential that followed. Sad that Erickson left and the writing and show runners were so abysmal after it. Sad that Frank Dillane left (Nick). I wonder if he would have been tempted to stay if Erickson had not been fired? Although he was homesick too and has gone on to make an excellent series in 'Joan' which is fantastic. Just brutal what happened to this show after season 3. 😢
I noticed there were constant flaws in the story which even a 6 year old could've solved their problems where full grown adults couldn't. For example, the Hospital scene where they used the fire truck ladder to rescue Morgan, yet didn't think to extend the same ladder to get to the Swat Truck only 2 car lengths away. Also the antifreeze poisoning where they shot at the ethanol tank full of holes and watching the ethanol pouring out of the bullet holes, yet nobody thought to catch some of it with a container or even drink from the stream... Looks like the director didn't take 5 minutes and workout the scene with their actors so the story would make sense...
Teddy was the only villain I liked and they wasted him and killed him off to early and made Strand the Villain of Season 7 so stupid. Should do a video on wasted potential on Teddy cause he was entertaining asf
This show was supposed to be about the collapse, about what happened during the initial outbreak. That lasted about a half an episode. 8 seasons was too kind to what was just another Walking Dead show.
Biggest issue is the acting honestly. When they lost Frank and Curtis, they lost their soul. Kim Dickens is one of the most one-note, wooden actresses on the planet. She was so incredibly cringe, unwatchable.
Will be something about John Dorie? After Nick's dead he was the only character I liked and because of that I watched reboot. Unfortunelly he end up with similar fate to Nick
All of these series start out fine. Then in season 4, the stories get watered down by adding more characters, twists, etc. that it loses focus. That's usually when I stop watching.
I thought Morgan's "all life is precious" was problematic on the Walking Dead as well. How many many did he put in danger because of his PTSD then his change of heart; with wanting to keep everyone alive. I know he's a favorite, but ive rewatched the entire series this year & don't get the hype. Eastman died saving him. He almost got people killed by the Wolfe he wanted to save. He's probably done other things, but they should have killed him instead of Carl.
I rewatch seasons 1-3 every few years or less sometimes. Loved it until they switched showrunners.. it might be my favorite seasons of the zombie shows. It was just great! Killing kick in season 4 and neutering him before that in the flashbacks was hard to get past alone.. I never could get past season 5 and that was brutal to get through. I almost gave it another try when Maddison was back somehow but heard it was trash so I didn’t.. not that she was a perfect character but she was one of main ones I grew to care about in the good seasons
“It doesn’t have to be this way” . Is the whole surrounding structure of the show No helicopter no rick besides the teaser at the beginning Barely any cdc
Yes when when Morgan came in to play he actually turned the show around away the bad writers decision and I feel like MORGAN saved both shows after NICK departure
Fear had potential no doubt. It wasn’t perfect if I’m going to be honest. They messed up a little bit with the Mexican highway gang (I didn’t expect them to be that important but their deaths were pathetic. It’s like the writers didn’t know how to deal with them so they chose to make them retarded. They can still die but it should have been done in a better and more satisfying way). They also messed up with the Manawa’s. Chris was sort of an empty canvas, meaning that they could have driven his character in so many directions. Direction 1. He goes on the path of redemption. He eventually forms a bond with the rest of the family - especially Nick as they are basically two sides of the same coin. He eventually becomes a valued member of the Clark family. Direction 2. Full villainy. After he abandons his family he disappears and he isn’t seen again until years later where he is the secondary villain to someone but he is even more savage than before. Madison is in a tough spot as she knows her husband loved Chris so this gets complicated. Those were two avenues they could have went and I would have been fine with either but if I had to choose it would probably be villain because after the death of Travis it would make the conflict much more complex. Speaking of Travis, I know the actor actually wanted to leave the show for reasons outside of show stupidity. However i wish they could have extended his character to die at the end of the season. He allows Nick to escape so he blows up the dam, and while he’s escaping with Daniel he is shot by Proctor John and Daniel is forced to leave him behind. This would build up the Proctors as the main antagonist for season 4 and make for an interesting war. Troy had a season left in him he should have died in season 4. Madison should have never left and Nick should’ve never died.
Thinking about it Chris could return as a member of the Vultures who would show up at some point in s5. This goes without saying but Morgan and Dwight should never have touched fear despite how good they were in the main show. The show should have stayed in LA/Mexico as well. The Dorie family would still be involved as they were great characters (John carried but anyways). Teddy was a great villain but his whole Hitler plot seemed too silly. He would be a great villain but maybe in a different capacity. I think Erikson downplayed himself a bit with his 7 season plan. He definitely could have pushed an 8 season or 9 at the max but 7 was just him being modest I’m sure. Strand and Daniel conflict slowly building up would have been great to see. Daniel slowly becoming slightly less savage and Strand going more crazy resulting in Daniel being killed by Strand. Alicia would have to die in season 7 indirectly caused by Madison leading to war with Nick. I said I wasn’t against certain character crossovers but one crossover I wouldn’t have minded would be the Whisperers. Since they travelled all round it may be possible that they travelled place to place until they settled in Virginia. But when Nick meets them they aren’t savages. They are just a group who seem to be at one with nature. Nick being Nick grows an interest of being in this group as he shares this same enthusiasm with adapting to being around walkers. The show ends with Madison dying in some way as they both fail to kill each other out of love despite both them wanting too. Nick has no family left and decides to travel with the Whisperers and as we see how the Whisperers ended up in the main show after Alpha took over the fate of Nick is unknown.
Or maybe Madison doesn’t die but Nick leaves anyways and she just continues her life as an evil leader who continues on without a purpose as she has driven her family and her humanity away.
The first 3 seasons had a more realistic tone to them, but then it slowly devolved. The worst part of it becoming TWD ish were the saturday morning cartoon antagonist that persisted till the end of season 8. The only beacon for me was John Dorie. I couldn't stand dictator Victor, he always had dubious morals but he looked and acted like a dr eggman (from the movies)😂 I didnt mind Morgan, but ive always liked his character.
Took the words out of my mouth. "it became a B tier version of twd with worse characters and worse villains" The thing is though if this is what fear was made to be I could still fully accept and support it. But it wasn't. Fear was created to be a series that is showing before the outbreak and during the outbreak. It was never meant to be showing a group surviving months or years after the outbreak started because we already had the main show for that. All they needed to do to make fear a god tier spin off was have it do exactly what they said it would. And while I do give the writers most of the stick for this I do also blame the fans for this because when fear came out in it's piolet and this first couple episodes every single comment online was "boring nothing happening this is so much worse than twd" I hate people who were posting that bs because they didn't respect the build up they didn't respect what fear was meant to be. We were not meant to see walkers for the first episodes but they still managed to put them in there without it being a full blown outbreak which honestly was really impressive writing. I would throw this challanege to anyone. instead of seeing gear as the walking dead go see the first couple episodes again as a show that is meant to detail the before and during outbreak and see how different you see the writing in those first episodes compared to how you probably saw them when they first released. Fear pre outbreak was actually god tier world building and story writing and no one can change my mind on that. It was during outbreak and then just time skips after that which ruined fear and I honestly think part of the reason they skipped so fast through the outbreak despite that meant to being the main point of the show is because almost all the feedback was "it's too slow" which is just flat out wrong.
FTWD has become one of the worst franchises ive ever seen. I thought it was going somewhere in the beginning but after season 5 I noticed a pattern how every time a male lead role would be killed off, a female lead role would die after. This is the worst play writing ive ever seen.
I still think they could do a fear spinoff with events after season 3 tweeking a few things. Like with dexter show. Correct some things like madisons group going to texas but tangeling with the proctors. No nuke shit. No morgan. However those events could have happened but they could say Madisons group never ran into morgan. Make this a retooling Fear the walking dead: Revelations
Nah I think the 3rd or 4th season it fell off heavily ( whichever one had the farmers fight the Indians) that season started so good then just went to absolute shit.. I had to stop almost every episode because the characters were honestly pissing me off
How come a woman who has always tried to do what was best for her family and who started good n defendant into a villan is a hated character but Nagan started as an villan and everybody just accepted his redemption 6:02
Season 6 was magic and John Dorie was the best character the show produced. I'd actually take both over anything from the first 3 seasons. That said, I'm working my way through the final season, and I can already tell that it ain't it. Why are we only seeing 3 or so members of the surviving family an episode? Why are people who are nearly a decade older moving around as though they are a decade younger? Why does no one's story matter but Morgan's and the one person whose episode to get mutilated it is? My disappointment is immeasurable, and quite frankly, my day has been ruined.
Yes! It was so grounded in a much more diverse World than the standard fare. Morgan was a terrible addition and I feel sorry for the actor because the writers did a terrible job of writing episodes that were watchable. The death of interesting characters like Nick & Travis left us with nothing to watch... apart from John Dorie! I liked him so... killing him too makes this series a meh, from me 🙄
I LOVE Cliff Curtis, I understand HE had things to do, but damn HIS character was AWESOME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Travis didn't randomly fall out of the copter, HE did that on purpose because HE didn't want to TURN and attack Alicia !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The main villain is not the governor, or Negan, or the commonwealth or whisperers, or Troy. It’s Scott Gimple.
Fr hahahaha
This is the quote of the entire community forever
I agree wholeheartedly!
Real talk.
Makes me wonder what could have happened with Frank Darabont.
I hate that the fear made me loathe Morgan. 😭 I remember on the main show I liked him even when people were annoyed at him. Changing the whole fear series to fit him instead of updating him to fit into the fear world and seeing how he can adapt into this world was a bad move that both ruined Morgan and fear. 😭
Sameeeee I loved Morgan in the main show and I think Lennie James is a great actor but the material he has to work with in the later seasons of fear is just so bad 😭😭😭
@@theohuntt how bad did things actually get with morgan? i tried holding out for another season after nick died. but i just couldn't stand the new atmosphere , characters or liked it enough to keep watching. but i still followed channels who covered the show.
@@MistarZtv in the later seasons he finally stopped his woke peacemaker phase and we kinda got the old morgan back, but nothing really special
Calm down he was always trash
I loved ftwd buy I hated Morgan the most he was the strongest and weakest the smartest and dumbest the writers made him so inconsistent
Dude, Madison going from caring guidance counselor, whose role was to help youths with their problems to becoming an irredeemable villain would have been fantastic. Seeing her going down that road from the very beginning was great, until it fell into the hands of Gimple and his circus clowns.
Fear was such a fantastic break from the main show, I remember seeing the ads for it and being somewhat flippant on it’s existence but those first two episodes sold me on how magical this show was going to be, and I will never forgive the writers for what they turned this show into.
I get Cliff Curtis had to leave because of his Avatar contract, but you could have easily had him “leave” to deal with the grief of losing his son and killing those two in Rosarito. That way he could have been brought back later on. And Frank Dilane originally left because he didn’t like the direction the show was taking (or so I’ve heard) so that was the final nail in the coffin for me.
Seeing the fall of society was great and haunting as well. This is the bloodiest time in human history, the initial 63 days that Rick slept through, the brutal and unforgiving way society came to a crashing halt. A day where you woke up getting ready for work or heading to school and it ends in massive riots, lockdowns, power failures and the eventual end of everything.
That scene of the Clark’s driving through the quiet streets of Los Angeles has always stuck with me. Here is a massive metropolis, with millions of people and all of the streets are devoid of life. No cars, no planes, no one. And seeing Operation Cobalt in action was the death of this huge city. The series lost its spark, and it’s sad we will never see what would have been.
Going to Mexico was also great, because we get to see how another government handled the outbreak, and who could forget the Cosmonaut Strand spoke to? A man who was set to come down three days before the end and is now stuck in space? So many little details made Fear so good.
But that’s enough rambling from me. Sorry for the long comment but I’m like you, man, this show was special and I am still pissed at what it became. Great video! Hope to see more in the future!
Yeah I’m with you it was such a special feel and felt totally refreshing from the main show! So many interesting new characters and new Scenery I was gutted to see what season 4 became :(
I wish Dave Erickson could reveal to fans how he intended the show to continue and conclude. Like I’d even settle for 5 bullet points per season I just want to know the true fate of these characters so badly it’s criminal how they ruined this show after s3
Yes, Madison was such a great character. At some point, the watcher would realise that the biggest villain of the story was the character they’ve grown to love for years.
Scott Gimple has the creativity of a wet slice of bread. God, I hate this dude. The first three seasons of fear were amazing, the third one is my favorite and the reboot SUCKED (starting by that shitty blueish-grey filter). Great video as always!
Thank you much Bro! And yeah I have no idea what they were thinking with that filter 😭😭😭
I’m one of the very few who actually liked the grey filter, I had no idea people didn’t like it, what’d I miss 😂😭
@@linkinparkfanatic8956I like it too
The first three seasons were SO good... and then Scott Gimple got his hands on it.
This HURTS man, I fucking LOVED seasons 1-3 so much! I don't know why, but it just really, genuinely clicked with me and I was hooked. The only thing I could really think of when I started watching season 4 was "Where's Proctor John? Why are they in Texas? What cave??? Why are they telling, but not showing??????"
As a writer of sorts, it just pains me and hurts my soul, big soul ochie a bandaid can't fix qwq
Season 3 might be the best season out of all the walking dead universe
100% such an underrated season of TV
No, that be season 1 of TWD. Everything afterwards was sub par.
not even close 😂
the first 3 seasons of Fear will always be my favorite media ever released as a whole. thank you for making more videos on the show
What was annoying, and something my sister pointed out when Season 4 started airing, is that instead of yanking Morgan out of the main series to put him in Fear... They could have easily brought back Abraham. Close to the start of the outbreak he was around Texas, where the Fear cast were by s3. And in the main series he was killed by Negan, so his actor would have time to do Fear!
😮 I can’t believe I never thought of this.
I hate how it went from family In the apocalypse to Morgan Helper Group like complete lost of identity.
I recently rewacht FTWD from season 1 to 3 in my opinion the best I couldn't watch the other seasons its just not Fear anymore just the Morgan show
I get you man it just hurts to much to watch Nick die in season 4 😭
FTWD could've been one of the best zombie shows of all time. It's a shame AMC continues to reward Scott Pimple for basically running this franchise to the ground. it really it hurts when I think of what this show could've been if Dave wasn't fired.....
Nick is one of my favorite characters in the entire TWD universe too, when he died I lost the interest in the show his death was the start of the show's decline. I watched all seasons because I was curious about Rick's involvement in the story, but it never happened. They totally ignored everything, Grace leaving in that chopper, Morgan looking for Rick at the end, not to mention THe Ones Who Live was the worst spin off of all, and it should have been the best.
Yeah Nick is honestly so amazing definitely not given enough recognition from the fan base because he’s from fear :/
Feel the same but also when travis died I really struggled to carry on watching. As for the ones who live spin off.... Just look up who was the showrunner for that spin off and you have everything answered to why it was so trash lol. Things like that which have the potential for the most amazing lore in twd universe and instead over shadowed by random no name characters that michonne meets
a wasted potential of troy otto would be good, especially how they ruined the character in the last season
honestly in my headcanon, he died back in S3, much better for his story, a tragic and quick end for such a tragic character.
Yeah it felt like they only brought him back so people would actually some what care about season 8 😭
I hold the first three seasons very special to me because of how grounded it was rather more over the top with the main show and how it clearly adapts its comic book counterparts. I was going through a bad time with substance use and the realization of my family dynamic being very dysfunctional overall, so it was nice to see this family (specifically Madison) be so harsh yet be so hellbent on keeping her family together that it just ends up ripping them apart.
To see how it’s just rebooted after season 3 and the Clark’s are just background characters and wasted hurt to see and also how it continued to go on with its seasons (beyond 7 seasons which, was the original limit that Erickson wanted). Also, Fear looked so much more cinematic in its filming style and didn’t have that grainy filter.
When Morgan took over the show basically died, he couldnt carry the show himself. Morgan is a wonderful supporting character though.
Yeah I totally agree Lennie James is brilliant it was just the material he was working with. The writers stitched him up tbh
What?? The actor been carried shows in united kingdom way before walking dead.
Great video man! Such a shame what they threw away
Thank you bro! and yeah there is never a day that I don’t wonder what 7 seasons of Ericksons Fear would look like :/
Frank asked to get written off when Gimple came in. He saw the writing on the wall.
They rushed the actual downfall. I wished it took more than like 4 episodes.
Seeing Madison go vader would've been award winning. Leave it to Gimble to wake you up in the middle of a wet dream.
Leave it to Gimple to ruin a good thing.
The series died in the very same second as Nick died...
100%
Nah the show died the moment Gimple was named new show runner. He would have massacred Nick's character to a point we all would start disliking Nick if he stayed.
The moment Nick died, I completely lost interest in FTWD. The samething that happened when Negan killed Glenn, these two characters were so special for me, I dont know why, but when they died, I couldn't be asked to keep watching, it seemed my journey through TWD ended with them 🫡 .
When they put Darryl in that mf closet, nude with that dog food sandwich. All that music blaring!! I was done!! I was already done with Glenn but Darryl in that closet is when I gave up!! Stopped watching it!!
@@LilithsCosmicLounge yeah I get what you mean, I'm not against the concept of characters dying, the commonality between All these deaths is they come off as extremely disrespectful to the characters.
Season 1 was great, seeing how the virus spread, getting some pre apocalypse stuff to see. My ideal would would be a walking dead prequel, seeing the origin of the virus and how it spread
The show went downhill once Morgan arrived I seriously NEVER understood the love for the character I never found him interesting especially as a lead also killing off Nick that was too much
I liked him as a supporting character but could never take him seriously for a main character. For some reason he was Gimple's favorite
I agree that the lighting is everything in a series. It gives the show its very own unique feeling. The filter in the later seasons didn’t quite hit the same as the cinematography in s1-3. Just imagine if Breaking Bad got rid of its filters, I don’t think I could watch it without their unique cinematography. Also just to add, Nick left because he didn’t like the direction the show was going. He wouldn’t of left if the new directors were actually going to do a good job with his character.
Yeah 100% in a way I guess the silver lining of Nicks death is gimple couldn’t ruin his character
@@theohuntt the funny thing is they still tried to ruin his character with the whole angry about Madison stuff which made him react how we wouldn’t expect him to.
The only reason I kept watching fear was john dorie, but now that he's gone. I couldn't find the strength to keep going on with the show.
Just finished the series and after he’s gone it’s basically pure trash. Season 7 is beyond cringe and 8 isn’t much better
@@Kojak024 jus finished it yesterdsy n yup 7 was the werid bogus n then the ending dont get me started on the last ep
I'd argue the first season was the only good part. As soon as they got on that boat everything went to hell. The pointless Flight 462 tie-in, the forgettable villains, the overabundance of side character fodder, and most importantly the utter disrespect and waste of Chris, Travis, and Ofelia. Everything after season one slowly, then swiftly in season four, devolved into an even worse Z Nation. Never forget "The Filthy Woman."
After the 3rd season it went from Breaking Bad to the A-Team
I think fear the walking dead should have been more an anthology series were it focuses on different during the start of the apocalypse and how they react and the people around them react to and see if they will adapt like a half season of one characters or full season
Fear the walking dead is like waiting for christmas, but on the day of Xmas you get sick and die
😂
What
I actually think Alisha was the heart of the show and they should have focused on her instead of bringing Morgan in. Madison was also a strong enough character to carry on the show.
The first season was a little bit more down to earth and realistic compared to the superhuman characters of Rick's group. They were not special, weak, flawed, confused, scared and had no idea what to do. I loved it. Rick in the first episode was like that until he went to the police station then he turned into batman. Confident, fearless, and always knew what to do. Many people complained FTWD was too slow and gradually they made the characters superhuman.
Carol became massively superhuman. Glenn could go anywhere and escape: superhuman. Jim could see the future. Michonne was a expert samurai. Shane was like a body builder on steroids. Sasha could of fought WWII single handedly. There was nothing Daryl couldn't do except socialize in large crowds. Rosita was a walking military field manual. Eugene was Mcguyver. Lori could annoy anyone within a radius of 100 yards. Morgan was impervious to death. Jesus was a judo expert/acrobat/stuntman/Houdini/pacifist who could walk on water. You get the picture.
I quit right after they killed Nick as that not only pissed me off but the fact that his sister moments later would just spare her brothers killer was too much
if it makes u feel any better charlie dies in the last season
Travis’s “random” death is much more realistic than going out in a blaze of heroic glory. Not everyone dies in a cinematic and inspiring way. Sometimes you just get unlucky.
I think they tried to replicate that Nick vs Maddison arc with season 7, giving us Strand vs Alicia instead
I didn’t even think of that, such a great point
Honestly some of the location settings in Fear had also alot potential like the rest of the Los Angeles metropolitan area And alot more of California hell one of the Saviors in TWD came escaped from San Francisco also Mexico had more potential like a setting in Cabo or La Paz Ensenada As for Texas a setting in Houston Or Dallas would have been cool we Know that the CRM had El Paso Texas marked as a Location and some Texas Cities were Hit by the nuke a Las Vegas Nevada setting would have been fire too
Bro the edit at the beginning made me cry
Those early seasons are just some of my favourite seasons ever made! I really miss it
I recently watched the first 4 seasons and 4 was trash I don’t even want to continue the series
fantastic video, cant wait for the next
Thank you man!!!
I’m almost done with season 2…. Uh oh
Season 3 is genuinely Amazing the rest of it…. Not so much
I can see why they shifted into Morgan. Once a lot of the actors left, there was no family really to continue how the original first 3 seasons were. However, they should’ve tried harder to keep them, since main reason was new writing, characters, and set.
For a moment I thought they were on a good track back when season 6 started i remember some of those episodes were really good, specially the one about John doing detective work, such a shame things went downhill from there.
Yeah I totally agree I really thought season 6 was going resurrected the series but it couldn’t maintain its strong start :/
If anyone asks me about TWD, I will always tell them to watch FTWD, but only seasons 1-3!!!
So true it really is peak TV!
Travis' death hit hard, despite the suddenness of it. The way he died stuck with me, and still does when I rewatch it.
When I started watching ftwd I had no idea how bad it's gonna get after season 3. I always felt like some characters will live much longer than they did(like Nick or Troy) and when I started watching season 4 I literally went "bro, tf is that?"
Cause it doesn't feel like ftwd or even twd at all.
Scott Gimple should be fired with no permission to script anything in the future, cause I swear, dude ruins everything he touches. 💀💀💀
Thanks for the video tho!
Hahahaha thank you bro
Just binge watched “Fear The Walking Dead” up to middle of the 4th season (episode 10). I can 100% say the first three seasons were incredible (outside of Travis’s death). Nick and Madison carries the show with my personal favorite character being Victor, he’s what I’d think most people would act like during an actual apocalypse like scenario, not completely heartless but always self preservation first.
Now, season 4, absolutely embodies when a show is said to go downhill. Episode by episode, I began to dislike the dynamic between characters already established and ESPECIALLY hated Naomi when they introduced her. Every episode (going back and forth within the timeline) took whatever hope I had for the series and slowly crushed it. I had no idea the original series suffered from the same bad writing and from the same exact director that took over for season 4 of fear. It’s so bad and uninteresting I can’t even finish it. Overall the show was good for what it was, 3 seasons of greatness and the rest absolute 🐕 💩
Tbh the show was never great. They didn’t start off with characters really to care about besides maybe nick. The actors lack emotion and travis face irritates me. Don’t let me get started on Madison’s lack of facial expressions. Season 1 is just so slow and nothing exciting.. Alicia and Nick were the only people in the early seasons that actually tried to carry the show.
Man, imagine if Shane left in S2 with Andrea, and we see them join Fear later, it would've been so cool for Andrea's character, Shane kinda had to die for Rick to cement himself as a leader, but it is a very interesting what if.
Another theory i used to hear back in the day is that Madison would turn out to be Alpha, and we'd see them on the main show, imagine how badass that would've been, a man can dream.
I absolutely hated how rushed the collapse of society was. Every zombie movie and show always seems to either rush or completely neglect it altogether and it's so irritating. Showing the chaos, the strain on emergency services, the collapse of the energy grid, etc provides so much content and would be so interesting, but it's never shown.
Scott gimple is just poison at this point. It's like with the new spin offs. I loved dead city and Daryl Dixon. But as soon as I watched the ones who live I could see all the trademark terrible dialogue of Scott gimple. Gimple speak just kills my immersion.
I couldn't get past season 1. The big problem for me was that I didn't care about the characters at all. They were so flat and blah. Everything that made the original series so good in the early seasons was lacking in Fear.
After season 3 fear ended
Brilliant video. Thanks so much for explaining how most of FTWD fans feel. I will never get over or stop lamenting the lost of Dave Erickson to this show or the wasted potential that followed. Sad that Erickson left and the writing and show runners were so abysmal after it. Sad that Frank Dillane left (Nick). I wonder if he would have been tempted to stay if Erickson had not been fired? Although he was homesick too and has gone on to make an excellent series in 'Joan' which is fantastic. Just brutal what happened to this show after season 3. 😢
been waiting for this one since the vote was put up!!!
I hope you enjoyed it bro!
Such a shame. The show held up really strong for the first 3 seasons and had its own identity.
I think Morgan should’ve had his own spin-off that had John Dorie and Althea. I think that trip would’ve held their own in a show.
"most characters of the original show out do their presence on the show" THIS IS SOOOOO TRUE.
I noticed there were constant flaws in the story which even a 6 year old could've solved their problems where full grown adults couldn't. For example, the Hospital scene where they used the fire truck ladder to rescue Morgan, yet didn't think to extend the same ladder to get to the Swat Truck only 2 car lengths away. Also the antifreeze poisoning where they shot at the ethanol tank full of holes and watching the ethanol pouring out of the bullet holes, yet nobody thought to catch some of it with a container or even drink from the stream... Looks like the director didn't take 5 minutes and workout the scene with their actors so the story would make sense...
Teddy was the only villain I liked and they wasted him and killed him off to early and made Strand the Villain of Season 7 so stupid. Should do a video on wasted potential on Teddy cause he was entertaining asf
Yeah very true it was interesting to see a serial killer in the apocalypse
This happened all because they fired Erickson.
I've only watched the first two seasons but it seems that FTWD is too much of a soap opera.
This show was supposed to be about the collapse, about what happened during the initial outbreak.
That lasted about a half an episode. 8 seasons was too kind to what was just another Walking Dead show.
Biggest issue is the acting honestly. When they lost Frank and Curtis, they lost their soul. Kim Dickens is one of the most one-note, wooden actresses on the planet. She was so incredibly cringe, unwatchable.
Will be something about John Dorie?
After Nick's dead he was the only character I liked and because of that I watched reboot.
Unfortunelly he end up with similar fate to Nick
I had such high hopes for the Morgan storyline. It could have been special if it hadn’t been supposed that to take over.
All of these series start out fine. Then in season 4, the stories get watered down by adding more characters, twists, etc. that it loses focus. That's usually when I stop watching.
I haven’t finished fear I’m almost done with season 2 but it’s sad to see that the show falls off
Season 3 is amazing though you will definitely enjoy that masterpiece
After Season 3 there is no reason really to watch the rest
I thought Morgan's "all life is precious" was problematic on the Walking Dead as well. How many many did he put in danger because of his PTSD then his change of heart; with wanting to keep everyone alive. I know he's a favorite, but ive rewatched the entire series this year & don't get the hype. Eastman died saving him. He almost got people killed by the Wolfe he wanted to save. He's probably done other things, but they should have killed him instead of Carl.
Yeah, Morgan ended up being dangerous.
Bro I thought Morgan was annoying af in the main show, cant imagine how much worse he was in FTWD.
Cool beans bub now do a video Breaking Bad universe vs The Walking Dead universe.
It's like a middle class white family zombie apocalypse ...
I rewatch seasons 1-3 every few years or less sometimes. Loved it until they switched showrunners.. it might be my favorite seasons of the zombie shows. It was just great! Killing kick in season 4 and neutering him before that in the flashbacks was hard to get past alone.. I never could get past season 5 and that was brutal to get through. I almost gave it another try when Maddison was back somehow but heard it was trash so I didn’t.. not that she was a perfect character but she was one of main ones I grew to care about in the good seasons
“It doesn’t have to be this way” . Is the whole surrounding structure of the show
No helicopter no rick besides the teaser at the beginning
Barely any cdc
Yes when when Morgan came in to play he actually turned the show around away the bad writers decision and I feel like MORGAN saved both shows after NICK departure
All true thank u 4 saying it and that crap ending . going back to where they started so everything for nothing
I love the travis death scene, random and real just .... moaaah *chefskiss*
Sacrificing death is great and all but there is a limit XD
Fear had potential no doubt. It wasn’t perfect if I’m going to be honest. They messed up a little bit with the Mexican highway gang (I didn’t expect them to be that important but their deaths were pathetic. It’s like the writers didn’t know how to deal with them so they chose to make them retarded. They can still die but it should have been done in a better and more satisfying way). They also messed up with the Manawa’s. Chris was sort of an empty canvas, meaning that they could have driven his character in so many directions.
Direction 1. He goes on the path of redemption. He eventually forms a bond with the rest of the family - especially Nick as they are basically two sides of the same coin. He eventually becomes a valued member of the Clark family.
Direction 2. Full villainy. After he abandons his family he disappears and he isn’t seen again until years later where he is the secondary villain to someone but he is even more savage than before. Madison is in a tough spot as she knows her husband loved Chris so this gets complicated.
Those were two avenues they could have went and I would have been fine with either but if I had to choose it would probably be villain because after the death of Travis it would make the conflict much more complex. Speaking of Travis, I know the actor actually wanted to leave the show for reasons outside of show stupidity. However i wish they could have extended his character to die at the end of the season. He allows Nick to escape so he blows up the dam, and while he’s escaping with Daniel he is shot by Proctor John and Daniel is forced to leave him behind. This would build up the Proctors as the main antagonist for season 4 and make for an interesting war. Troy had a season left in him he should have died in season 4. Madison should have never left and Nick should’ve never died.
Thinking about it Chris could return as a member of the Vultures who would show up at some point in s5. This goes without saying but Morgan and Dwight should never have touched fear despite how good they were in the main show. The show should have stayed in LA/Mexico as well. The Dorie family would still be involved as they were great characters (John carried but anyways). Teddy was a great villain but his whole Hitler plot seemed too silly. He would be a great villain but maybe in a different capacity. I think Erikson downplayed himself a bit with his 7 season plan. He definitely could have pushed an 8 season or 9 at the max but 7 was just him being modest I’m sure. Strand and Daniel conflict slowly building up would have been great to see. Daniel slowly becoming slightly less savage and Strand going more crazy resulting in Daniel being killed by Strand. Alicia would have to die in season 7 indirectly caused by Madison leading to war with Nick. I said I wasn’t against certain character crossovers but one crossover I wouldn’t have minded would be the Whisperers. Since they travelled all round it may be possible that they travelled place to place until they settled in Virginia. But when Nick meets them they aren’t savages. They are just a group who seem to be at one with nature. Nick being Nick grows an interest of being in this group as he shares this same enthusiasm with adapting to being around walkers. The show ends with Madison dying in some way as they both fail to kill each other out of love despite both them wanting too. Nick has no family left and decides to travel with the Whisperers and as we see how the Whisperers ended up in the main show after Alpha took over the fate of Nick is unknown.
Or maybe Madison doesn’t die but Nick leaves anyways and she just continues her life as an evil leader who continues on without a purpose as she has driven her family and her humanity away.
The first 3 seasons had a more realistic tone to them, but then it slowly devolved.
The worst part of it becoming TWD ish were the saturday morning cartoon antagonist that persisted till the end of season 8. The only beacon for me was John Dorie.
I couldn't stand dictator Victor, he always had dubious morals but he looked and acted like a dr eggman (from the movies)😂
I didnt mind Morgan, but ive always liked his character.
I gave up after season 3 and focused on the main show. And having characters from the main show going to FTWD didn't make me want to watch
Took the words out of my mouth. "it became a B tier version of twd with worse characters and worse villains" The thing is though if this is what fear was made to be I could still fully accept and support it. But it wasn't. Fear was created to be a series that is showing before the outbreak and during the outbreak. It was never meant to be showing a group surviving months or years after the outbreak started because we already had the main show for that. All they needed to do to make fear a god tier spin off was have it do exactly what they said it would. And while I do give the writers most of the stick for this I do also blame the fans for this because when fear came out in it's piolet and this first couple episodes every single comment online was "boring nothing happening this is so much worse than twd" I hate people who were posting that bs because they didn't respect the build up they didn't respect what fear was meant to be. We were not meant to see walkers for the first episodes but they still managed to put them in there without it being a full blown outbreak which honestly was really impressive writing.
I would throw this challanege to anyone. instead of seeing gear as the walking dead go see the first couple episodes again as a show that is meant to detail the before and during outbreak and see how different you see the writing in those first episodes compared to how you probably saw them when they first released. Fear pre outbreak was actually god tier world building and story writing and no one can change my mind on that. It was during outbreak and then just time skips after that which ruined fear and I honestly think part of the reason they skipped so fast through the outbreak despite that meant to being the main point of the show is because almost all the feedback was "it's too slow" which is just flat out wrong.
FTWD has become one of the worst franchises ive ever seen. I thought it was going somewhere in the beginning but after season 5 I noticed a pattern how every time a male lead role would be killed off, a female lead role would die after. This is the worst play writing ive ever seen.
This show always kept me thinking it will get better and hooked me…. Season 8 was so disappointing. The season finale was worse than GOT season finale
Stopped watching after John died I loved that guy
walking dead is not a series of epic journey, its just a series of cast behind the scene drama
damn only the third time you’ve made this exact video.
I still think they could do a fear spinoff with events after season 3 tweeking a few things. Like with dexter show. Correct some things like madisons group going to texas but tangeling with the proctors. No nuke shit. No morgan. However those events could have happened but they could say Madisons group never ran into morgan. Make this a retooling
Fear the walking dead:
Revelations
They never should have done the time jump. I think it should have stayed a year one story
Technically Cliff Curtis left the shiw because he has a contract with the Avatar movie which totally sucks.
Thanks bro
Your very welcome
I only watched the 1st 3 seasons and gave up on 2nd ep of season 4 it was really boring and in my mind seasons 4-8 never happened
I think it was a mistake to off travis and frank. I think something more to it was happening. They knew eric was leaving
i am a huge twd fan, but seasons 1-3 of fear is better than ANYTHING ever made in the walking dead universe
same with TWD but its comic acurate so you cant be mad its mid af
They should have showed the journey to Texas
Nah I think the 3rd or 4th season it fell off heavily ( whichever one had the farmers fight the Indians) that season started so good then just went to absolute shit.. I had to stop almost every episode because the characters were honestly pissing me off
How come a woman who has always tried to do what was best for her family and who started good n defendant into a villan is a hated character but Nagan started as an villan and everybody just accepted his redemption 6:02
Nick would have been greater than Rick Grimes
Season 6 was magic and John Dorie was the best character the show produced. I'd actually take both over anything from the first 3 seasons. That said, I'm working my way through the final season, and I can already tell that it ain't it. Why are we only seeing 3 or so members of the surviving family an episode? Why are people who are nearly a decade older moving around as though they are a decade younger? Why does no one's story matter but Morgan's and the one person whose episode to get mutilated it is? My disappointment is immeasurable, and quite frankly, my day has been ruined.
I stopped watching when her son died
Yes! It was so grounded in a much more diverse World than the standard fare. Morgan was a terrible addition and I feel sorry for the actor because the writers did a terrible job of writing episodes that were watchable. The death of interesting characters like Nick & Travis left us with nothing to watch... apart from John Dorie! I liked him so... killing him too makes this series a meh, from me 🙄
I LOVE Cliff Curtis, I understand HE had things to do, but damn HIS character was AWESOME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Travis didn't randomly fall out of the copter, HE did that on purpose because HE didn't want to TURN and attack Alicia !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!