I fell in love w/ Abes character the moment he was introduced and I had no comic knowledge at the time but during the season 5 mid season break. I found out Abe gets killed by Dwight in the comic and I spent every episode of season 6 waiting for that gut punch and then when Denise got his death. I was like holy shit they are keeping Abe alive hell yea. But then I got my gut punch in 7x1 and a bit in 6x16 b/c when he was talking to Sasha abt starting a family and then his heart felt speech to Eugene. I knew that Abes time was coming.
@@MichaelStark-j8e yeah. At least if they had shown Abraham's death at the finale of the previous episode, we would have had the time between that episode and the premiere of the next to mourn him before Glenn died too
Truth be told Abraham’s death hit me harder than Glenn’s did. He was finally coming to terms with carving out a life worth living , then he was gone . He was in my top five fav characters, Glenn wasn’t , but I liked him.
Finally a sane person. Glenn was a good character in season 1, after that he got more annoying with each passing episode. After he started dating Maggie almost every bit of dialogue from him was about protecting Maggie. She couldn’t go to the bathroom without Glenn thinking her life was in imminent danger and he had to be there to make sure nothing happened. Dude…. Everyone else is living in the same apocalypse as you yet they aren’t being a downer every minute of every day. I’ll go one further than saying Abraham was more of a loss than Glenn, I’m glad Glenn got taken out by Negan. Abraham and Eugene had a way of entertaining you just by no matter what they were saying. They both had the clever, whitty ways of talking that made us laugh regardless of what they were actually talking about. They weren’t the only ones tho, Negan and Simon were another two that could turn basic dialogue into something much more entertaining
I never cared about Abraham and I hated how he ended things with Rosita after everything they had been through. He didn't even handle it well he was a straight D*** about it to her. I think if he had been the only one who died and not Glenn too, nobody would have even cared about that lineup scene. It was Glenn's death that actually had an impact on the survivors beyond just Sasha and Rosita, who were the only two that really were attached to Abraham anyway. Otherwise to everyone else he was just a somewhat dickish brute tbh. The other survivors don't event talk about him after his death. Meanwhile Glenn's death led to a lot of development for the season 1 survivors who were remaining, which makes sense as Abraham hadn't been around more than a few months while Glenn was there from the start. Glenn's death had a bigger impact on both the fans and the survivors in the show and that's not even a debate.
I always liked the idea of Negan killing Abraham not randomly but on purpose cause he saw how vital Abraham was to Rick's group. He was one of the ppl in the lineup who didn't look afraid even when faced with the threat of death by Lucille. Rick was the leader but Abraham was the one who could rally the troops and actually come up with plans to fight back with his experience.
I think Negan said as much in a later episode, didn't he? Something about how the "eenie meenie" bit wasn't serious and he had already made up his mind.
I HAVE SAID those exact words to my grandmother before she passed she was how I got onto the series via the show and in the comics and somewhat in the show (with alot less show wise due to Daryl as ricks "right hand" where as in the comics it's Abraham after Tyrese's death) The actual death of him in the show felt completely underwhelming and overshadowed by an older fan favorite survivors absolutely iconic and heart breaking death RIGHT when his family dream in a safe world was right in front of him. The deaths upon first watch come off more shallow then the comic for alot of reasons imo mostly due to the cut swearing in the TV release but the combination was so underwhelming. In a season they faked the audience out on both Glenn's death at the dumpster And remixing Abraham's original death for a useless side character who in the comics was the BRAVEST doctor in comics. Denise is a treat in the comics if you haven't read of her
You are 100% correct he told Rick that the Eeny Meeny Miny Moe was bullshit. He had his eye on Abraham from the get-go. He thought Abraham was Rick’s right hand man. He even tormented Rick about it in the lineup. Edit; I went back are listening to what Captain Gold had said, and I misunderstood what he said in his last statement I thought he was saying that it was Daryl’s fault Abraham got killed. When he actually said it was Daryl’s fault Negan killed Glenn. Thanks for calling me out on my mistake.
@@MikeLewis1964but no one ever claimed Abraham's death was Daryl's fault? People claim GLENN'S death was Daryl's fault and I am willing to agree to an extent as I believe Negan never planned for the second victim and was forced to kill another due to the group's continued defiance manifesting mostly through Daryl at the time.
I hate that Abraham didn‘t get the Recognition that he deserved. As you can see during the Lineup, he was the calmest of the Group, due to him being calm under Stress, he learnt that in the Army. He probably was also extremly calm during the War in the Middle east. Imagine Abraham, Shane, Daryl, Merle and Rick were together, Man oh Man they would be an invincible Team.
I read a comment on another video that had a good idea which was to have Abraham die in the season 6 finale, so that Glenn’s death in the season 7 premier would’ve truly been shocking (which is what the show runners wanted) while also allowing the fans to process Abraham’s death in the time between the seasons. I feel this would’ve fixed the issue of Abraham’s death feeling like it was sidelined for Glenn’s and also would let the fans express their appreciation for Abraham’s character instead of focusing solely on Glenn
I also think having Negan essentially break Rick by forcing him to nearly cut off Carl's arm was a mistake. It just broke Rick and honestly left us with no hope and they kept it up for most of if not for the whole season. Comic Rick had a much better reaction of feigning loyalty to Negan whilst secretly preparing to fight back.
Abe dying because he was the only one to show no fear to Negan makes sense. Even Rick is nearly pissing his pants, while Abraham stands (Kneels) firm. In terms of Abe him dying for that reason, it makes sense. The issue is Glenn died alongside him. No matter what, if you die in the same episode as a beloved season 1 character (Not to mention first in the episode) the audience/characters will always care more about the season 1 character. It gives you no real time to process his death. Leaves him forgotten as the other guy who died. It's just like T-Dog dying in the same episode as Laurie. They clearly wanted to trick the audience since comic book readers and even a good chunk of the general audience would know who died here. So killing two characters off with Glenn being the second would be a shock. Just a shame both of these deaths together turned a lot of people off the show.
At least he didn't whine about his wife and kid like Glen did when they got apart for an episode and Maggie she doesn't shut up about him like get over it
5:00 "Obviously there are people out there whose favourite character is Abraham" that's me! I'm people! Don't get me wrong, I loved Glenn in the earlier seasons, but I genuinely can't remember what he did at Alexandria. Meanwhile, Abraham had taken charge of the wall construction crew, making him so much more valuable to the community as a whole. I hate how much his death was brushed aside on the show, and the actor saying he wasn't allowed to seek out new roles before season 7 premiered just adds insult to injury imo. His death was so impactful for me. Just as he would've been ready to die for his country, he was ready to die for his community without a moment's notice. The one consolation is that he died thinking he saved everyone. With his campy humour and his emotional depth combined, I think he's truly one of the most unique characters in the series. I think only Negan would be able to go bar-for-bar with one-liners.
Literally one of the biggest badasses on the show, loved him with his big smile and cigar. While a part of me is glad he didn't get killed off like he did in the comics, I still feel he should have lived longer in the show. One aspect that really bothers me tho about his death is that it was very overshadowed by Glenn's death, and while I understand that Glenn was one of the og's and a long time fan favorite, I feel like killing them both off in the same episode and same manner did a disservice to Abraham, cause I feel a badass like that deserved to have his own episode dedicated to him and his eventual death. This guy was a massive bull and capable in combat and survival and his humor and way with words made him such a likable character. Again, a shame his death was so overshadowed.
Woulda absolutely loved to see Abraham in the All our War arc, you coulda seen his military history on full display and that woulda been fire. Too bad the writers didn't know how to write a good story anymore
Eugene wasn't a useless purpose for him. Without Eugene, the saviors bullets wouldn't have exploded. It took a bit but him keeping Eugene alive was Instrumental
The only way Abraham would have survived to All Out War (and perhaps even beyond that) was if he stayed at Alexandria and helped protect it against any Savior attacks, instead of going with Rick and the others to Hilltop. Putting him in the Negan line-up is certain death for him, since he was the most logical choice for Negan to take out and make an example of (the biggest dude, showing little to no fear, and staring at Negan so defiantly and threateningly, which made Negan feel intimidated deep down and he knew that he couldn't break Abraham into submission like he could with the others). If Abraham wasn't there, Negan would have chosen someone else who showed the least amount of fear (either Daryl or Michonne), or chosen someone truly at random, just like he did in the Comic Series. And with Abraham alive, he would have gotten Rick and the others to fight back against the Saviors sooner. I think he would play along with submitting to Negan's rule, but only for a short while, and then strike when the time is right. All Out War would start sooner and end sooner as well, and either Abraham dies fighting in All Out War, or manages to survive and gets to help the group deal with the Whisperers, the Reapers, and the Commonwealth. It would be so cool if Jesus survived as well. Abraham and Jesus could have become an extremely badass duo who fought alongside each other against the Saviors, Whisperers, Reapers, and Commonwealth (if one or both of them manage to last that long into the story anyway).
Favorite character is so difficult. Glenn's relatability, season 4-5 Rick, Negan for so many reasons, Daryl when it's just him and Dog looking for Rick, gotta respect Carol, and yeah...
Dude has called the whole cast underrated 😂 I like the vids though I’ve watched them all and nice to drive to (appreciate the no swearing as my kid is in the car)
Hahahaha don’t you worry I don’t plan on slowing down anytime soon either. But I’m glad you enjoy them I try and keep them family friendly so all ages can watch :)
Thank you, YES!!!! Agreed 100% The fanbase rarely acknowledge that Abe did, in fact, "take one (or 6 or 7) for the team!" And even less of them are willing to admit that Daryl fucked up, I was legit bummed out the next day after the episode, at both Abe and Glen's deaths...but I seriously disliked Daryl for the next two seasons; not only for getting Glen killed, but for wasting Abraham's heroic sacrifice.
I wish Abraham lived way longer, it didn't make any sense killing him off at the line up, it should have been Glenn only since thats the death Negan pays the price for and its his most regrettable kill hes ever made, Also Abraham could have played a huge role in All Out War and the Whisper, Reaper and Commonwealth Arc's, He should have been a long term character maybe up to season 10 or 11
I don't think anyone can deny that Abraham is THE GOAT He is the one who got them to Washington...had it not been for him and his fearless belief that brave people could save the world. It was because of him that Alexandria was saved ..because without their group, Alexandria would have been destroyed by walkers.
As a person with sometimes extreme anger issues it's nice to see it represented well with Abraham's character. At first when we were introduced to him he was an aggressive charismatic leader for his group. By the end of his time on the screen he was a loving and compassionate man who cared about his friends fiercely .
Big man Abe was my second favourite from the main cast behind Shane.The depth of character you mention is very real, the one liners are great and I bet a fight between the Big Red Machine and officer friendly would have been exquisite! I pretty well checked out of the show after his death as the writers like to kill off the loose cannon bad ass characters that will argue and even go toe to toe with Rick such as Shane, Abe and Merle
Abraham has been my favorite character ever since he was introduced, I was absolutely devastated to see him die since I hadn’t been spoiled for his death 😭
He went out like a badass so I don’t regret his death scene. As sad as it was, it was the perfect way for his character to end. He had balls of steel and too much potential. Sometimes you have to leave the audience wanting more not less and they gave him a good season. Glenn on the other hand was done dirty season 6. He had no story arc and he was missing for a lot of the season due to his fake death. I wish they gave Glenn something subtle at least so when his death comes it feels like they actually utilised his character.
Ngl even tho I think him and Rosita were really great, they could’ve done the breakup so much better because Sasha and Abraham both felt as though they had nothing really left to live for after certain points and they should’ve had dialogue that showcased their similarities that way and how they compliment one another instead of an abrupt end for Rosita and Abraham
This is why I hated that both he and Glenn died in the same episode. Glenn's death overshadowed Abe's which is fucked. Should've just killed on or the other, there was no reason to kill them both 🤦♂️
I totally agree with the assessment that Abraham's death was just for cheap spectacle. I broke investment with this show after that episode and watched it only obligingly for a short time after. The sort of emotional manipulation that showrunners engage in can backfire badly, and this series is evidence of that. Should really just focus on writing a good story/adaptation over what they chose to do with the show.
While I agree on what you two have said about Abraham's death and especially how he was simply forgotten by just about all the group I disagree about Glenn not having more story (and I felt the same about his death in the comic). Glenn, like Carl should have become a leader in the show. He basically should have been the bridge between Rick and eventually Carl. In so many ways, Rick became Shane and at this point in the TV show he had taken on the negative qualities of Shane and had very little of his humanity and none of Glenn's compassion (which combined with his resourcefulness made TV Glenn more compelling than TV Rick IMO). I do think there was more for Abraham but I think Glenn's future could have been more interesting. He would have had time to deal with his part in the Savior massacre that led to Negan's violent retribution which honestly could have shown a different side to Glenn and forced him to grow and actually struggle with maintaining his humanity and learning to become a leader especially since... And here's where the purists get angry. Rick became the victim of Lucille. This makes more strategic and narrative sense considering he's the leader and if Negan truly wants to subjugate the Alexandrians, killing the leader is the best way to do so. This would've made for a far more interesting Savior war as say both Glenn and Abraham get to butt heads with how to deal with the Saviors. Abraham preferring a more scorched earth, take no prisoners way to war and Glenn both trying to defeat and outwit them while suffering from feelings of guilt for even taking part in the initial massacre and how it led to Rick's violent end and also struggling not to lose himself. There definitely was more to Glenn's and Abraham's story and it's a shame that we didn't have a show runner and writers with a bit more imagination.
I was part of the season 7 exodus from TWD because they killed my favourite character... Abraham. I always enjoyed his character, though to be fair I'm just generally a fan of Micheal Cudlitz. He does great work in everything I've seen him in.
I wonder how the fight would of went down with negan and Abraham if he gave him a fair fight hand to hand like he did with the guy who played Trevor in gta forgot his name in the walking dead it would be an interesting concept cause he showed no fear towards negan
I love Abraham, as he was a unique and interesting character. He is someone who I would have wanted to have my back in a zombie situation. I was glad he was kept alive past his comic book death, as part of me was just waiting for it to happen, only for Denise to die in his spot. Sad we lost her but it gave me hope that he would stick around for a while longer. It was sad to see him killed off because I would have love to have seen what he could have done in the All out War arc, or better yet what he could have done with the Whisper arc. I would have love to have seen a fight with him and Beta, that could have been a good match up. Also it would have been interesting to see if him being alive would have changed things up with Sasha. Would she have died the same way, or would she have not taken that same risk and got caught?
I havent watched the episode where he dies more than twice. So details are limited in my current recollection. But you mentioned Abraham drawing attention to himself in the lineup. How did he do that?
@theohuntt thanks for the response. I always liked Abraham because to me he was similar to the other boss characters; who never hesitated to handle things. I would have loved to see him & Sasha's relationship develop as well. And I actually didn't care as much that Glenn died because unpopular opinion; I found him and Maggie a bit annoying.
@shirayasha yes, I do remember him kneeling more upright. Rick was also kneeling that way; that gave me the impression they didn't want Negan to think they were intimidated - like the others, who were visibly shaken.
Theo can you do the heavenly virtues vs deadly sins in twd characters. To get you started, If you do this, tomi would be sloth since he hid being a medic
I don't think Abe's death was a cheap shot at all. As much as I like Abraham, i have to say that his death actually made a lot of sense to me, as well as his inclusion in the lineup. Abraham is probably the strongest and most intimidating man on the group. So, he'd naturally join Rick. It wouldn't make a lot of sense for Rick to have someone like Gabriel and maybe even Eugene since they're both weaklings. but if there is ANYONE Rick would need to bring, it would definitely be Abraham and Glenn. also Abraham making himself look bigger than everyone and standing up against Negan in the subtle ways he did to show that he isn't afraid is exactly something Abraham would do. Glenn jumping out of line and attacking Negan after he threatens to kill a sickly Maggie is exactly something Glenn might do. BUT, Daryl punching Negan isn't something Daryl would or even COULD do. I mean, the guy got shot and is clearly sick or weak from an infection or blood loss. Not to mention that Daryl hasn't even spoken to Abraham and Rosita throughout the entire show, despite being in the same group. so why the hell would Daryl punch Negan? I feel like that only happened so that they could find an excuse to kill Glenn. so really, the true cheap shot of that episode was Daryl somehow gaining the strength to punch Negan for almost no reason, risking everyone and his own life, just so that the show could write in Glenn's death.
If they had kept Merle around longer I feel like he would have taken a swing at Negan earning him the Lucille death which no doubt would make Daryl lash out
Daryl did talk to Abraham when he saved him and Sash when they first meet the saviors and Rosita when Daryl was chasing Dwight. But I see where you’re coming from.
@@liltwistedgamer they should have had more interactions between Daryl and Abe. If they became bros then it would make more sense for Daryl to lash out
@@liltwistedgamer actually, yeah. tbh tho these moments were pretty forgettable except when Daryl shot a rocket launcher at the bikers. im a bit dumb for forgetting it.
i enjoyed abraham i appreciate that he didn't get his comic book death. i think the line up death gave more story development for some of the other characters imo. **SPOILER FOR FTWD** also im currently watching s8 of FTWD as its on netflix now and im on episode 5. Grace's death is by far one of the more emotional deaths of the show. I'd put it up there with Nick and John's deaths.
They don't mention it as a sacrifice because it was not a sacrifice. He was literally chosen by Negan. Abraham did not have an option of whether or not he was going to get chosen or not it was not Abraham who sacrificed himself for the greater good. It was me and who took Abraham as a sacrificial token for all of the people that that group has killed. But because it was Megan's Choice nobody looks at it as though Abraham made an ultimate sacrifice himself
Yeah no offense against Glenn like Glenn is my dude and one of the best TWD characters but I really wish Abraham got more respect and got mentioned more by both the fandom and the characters in the show like c'mon Abraham is the GOAT 🐐 and deserves to be treated as so 😭🙏
I would disagree with the claim due to the fact he has one of the biggest fan bases in the franchise. An example of an underrated character would be Noah or Eric
Abe kinda got a send off hint with the Eugene speech and feeling positive about the future Glenn had a little bit in the previous episode but felt like they wanted Glenn dead for more shock from the fans should have just kept it at Abe Glenn felt outta nowhere and like he didn’t even get many lines toward the end
I hate that Abraham didn‘t get the Recognition that he deserved. As you can see during the Lineup, he was the calmest of the Group, due to him being calm under Stress, he learnt that in the Army. He probably was also extremly calm during the War in the Middle east. Imagine Abraham, Shane, Daryl, Merle and Rick were together, Man oh Man they would be an invincible Team.
It was a pleasure to join you in this discussion about Abe. Now I’m gonna have me a cigar and some bourbon, in honor of one of the GOATs. 🐐
It’s always a pleasure having you on the channel my friend. You enjoy that cigar and pour one out to our fallen friend Abe 😔
@@theohuntttwo Goats meeting 🤝 🔥💯
@@roderick8167thank you man! We try our best
@@theohuntt No Problem dude !
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while he was never my favourite character, i always felt like we lost abraham too soon and that he died just as he was coming into his own.
Yeah he was just starting to find his stride :/
I fell in love w/ Abes character the moment he was introduced and I had no comic knowledge at the time but during the season 5 mid season break. I found out Abe gets killed by Dwight in the comic and I spent every episode of season 6 waiting for that gut punch and then when Denise got his death. I was like holy shit they are keeping Abe alive hell yea. But then I got my gut punch in 7x1 and a bit in 6x16 b/c when he was talking to Sasha abt starting a family and then his heart felt speech to Eugene. I knew that Abes time was coming.
For me, that's how a death hits more, a story that feels unfinished, a life literally cut short before they reached their peak.
And his death is underrated because glenn death overshadowed his.
@@MichaelStark-j8e yeah.
At least if they had shown Abraham's death at the finale of the previous episode, we would have had the time between that episode and the premiere of the next to mourn him before Glenn died too
Truth be told Abraham’s death hit me harder than Glenn’s did. He was finally coming to terms with carving out a life worth living , then he was gone . He was in my top five fav characters, Glenn wasn’t , but I liked him.
Hey guess what
Literally no one else feels this way
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Finally a sane person. Glenn was a good character in season 1, after that he got more annoying with each passing episode. After he started dating Maggie almost every bit of dialogue from him was about protecting Maggie. She couldn’t go to the bathroom without Glenn thinking her life was in imminent danger and he had to be there to make sure nothing happened. Dude…. Everyone else is living in the same apocalypse as you yet they aren’t being a downer every minute of every day. I’ll go one further than saying Abraham was more of a loss than Glenn, I’m glad Glenn got taken out by Negan. Abraham and Eugene had a way of entertaining you just by no matter what they were saying. They both had the clever, whitty ways of talking that made us laugh regardless of what they were actually talking about. They weren’t the only ones tho, Negan and Simon were another two that could turn basic dialogue into something much more entertaining
I never cared about Abraham and I hated how he ended things with Rosita after everything they had been through. He didn't even handle it well he was a straight D*** about it to her. I think if he had been the only one who died and not Glenn too, nobody would have even cared about that lineup scene. It was Glenn's death that actually had an impact on the survivors beyond just Sasha and Rosita, who were the only two that really were attached to Abraham anyway. Otherwise to everyone else he was just a somewhat dickish brute tbh. The other survivors don't event talk about him after his death. Meanwhile Glenn's death led to a lot of development for the season 1 survivors who were remaining, which makes sense as Abraham hadn't been around more than a few months while Glenn was there from the start. Glenn's death had a bigger impact on both the fans and the survivors in the show and that's not even a debate.
@@thegooman-tt9xx what an odd response. weird weird guy
@@joebird376 Abraham more like "Abrah-Scam"
Am I right my little twink friend?:3
I always liked the idea of Negan killing Abraham not randomly but on purpose cause he saw how vital Abraham was to Rick's group. He was one of the ppl in the lineup who didn't look afraid even when faced with the threat of death by Lucille. Rick was the leader but Abraham was the one who could rally the troops and actually come up with plans to fight back with his experience.
I think Negan said as much in a later episode, didn't he? Something about how the "eenie meenie" bit wasn't serious and he had already made up his mind.
@whatlikeitshardd maybe, I've only seen that season once so I prob missed a Lotta details.
I HAVE SAID those exact words to my grandmother before she passed she was how I got onto the series via the show and in the comics and somewhat in the show
(with alot less show wise due to Daryl as ricks "right hand" where as in the comics it's Abraham after Tyrese's death)
The actual death of him in the show felt completely underwhelming and overshadowed by an older fan favorite survivors absolutely iconic and heart breaking death RIGHT when his family dream in a safe world was right in front of him.
The deaths upon first watch come off more shallow then the comic for alot of reasons imo mostly due to the cut swearing in the TV release but the combination was so underwhelming.
In a season they faked the audience out on both Glenn's death at the dumpster
And remixing Abraham's original death for a useless side character who in the comics was the BRAVEST doctor in comics.
Denise is a treat in the comics if you haven't read of her
You are 100% correct he told Rick that the Eeny Meeny Miny Moe was bullshit. He had his eye on Abraham from the get-go. He thought Abraham was Rick’s right hand man. He even tormented Rick about it in the lineup.
Edit; I went back are listening to what Captain Gold had said, and I misunderstood what he said in his last statement I thought he was saying that it was Daryl’s fault Abraham got killed. When he actually said it was Daryl’s fault Negan killed Glenn. Thanks for calling me out on my mistake.
@@MikeLewis1964but no one ever claimed Abraham's death was Daryl's fault? People claim GLENN'S death was Daryl's fault and I am willing to agree to an extent as I believe Negan never planned for the second victim and was forced to kill another due to the group's continued defiance manifesting mostly through Daryl at the time.
"There is a vast ocean of shit that you people dont know shit about. Rick knows every fine grain of said shit and than some"
One of the best quotes from the whole show!
That applies to Abraham as well tbh, their both very effective leaders. The guys you want on your team in the shit storm.
@@katouhasblackairforceenerg1909 for sure
I hate that Abraham didn‘t get the Recognition that he deserved.
As you can see during the Lineup, he was the calmest of the Group, due to him being calm under Stress, he learnt that in the Army. He probably was also extremly calm during the War in the Middle east.
Imagine Abraham, Shane, Daryl, Merle and Rick were together, Man oh Man they would be an invincible Team.
I 100% AGREE, ABRAHAM WAS MY FAVORITE AND HE BARELY GOT ANY RECOGNITION
Such an underrated character he just got forgotten:(
@theohuntt Only Daryl mentioned him in season 9 with Rick can't remember the episode
I read a comment on another video that had a good idea which was to have Abraham die in the season 6 finale, so that Glenn’s death in the season 7 premier would’ve truly been shocking (which is what the show runners wanted) while also allowing the fans to process Abraham’s death in the time between the seasons. I feel this would’ve fixed the issue of Abraham’s death feeling like it was sidelined for Glenn’s and also would let the fans express their appreciation for Abraham’s character instead of focusing solely on Glenn
Yeah 100% it would have given fans months of time to process his sacrifice rather than mix it all up in one episode
I've always felt that way, also.
I also think having Negan essentially break Rick by forcing him to nearly cut off Carl's arm was a mistake. It just broke Rick and honestly left us with no hope and they kept it up for most of if not for the whole season. Comic Rick had a much better reaction of feigning loyalty to Negan whilst secretly preparing to fight back.
@@crusader2112 Agreed
@@crusader2112I disagree. I really liked the fact Rick was truly broken. It made his eventual defiance feel sweeter.
Abe dying because he was the only one to show no fear to Negan makes sense. Even Rick is nearly pissing his pants, while Abraham stands (Kneels) firm. In terms of Abe him dying for that reason, it makes sense. The issue is Glenn died alongside him. No matter what, if you die in the same episode as a beloved season 1 character (Not to mention first in the episode) the audience/characters will always care more about the season 1 character.
It gives you no real time to process his death. Leaves him forgotten as the other guy who died. It's just like T-Dog dying in the same episode as Laurie. They clearly wanted to trick the audience since comic book readers and even a good chunk of the general audience would know who died here. So killing two characters off with Glenn being the second would be a shock. Just a shame both of these deaths together turned a lot of people off the show.
The death of Abe was overshadowed by the SMASHING death of Glen 😂
At least he didn't whine about his wife and kid like Glen did when they got apart for an episode and Maggie she doesn't shut up about him like get over it
Abraham deserved to live longer
5:00 "Obviously there are people out there whose favourite character is Abraham" that's me! I'm people!
Don't get me wrong, I loved Glenn in the earlier seasons, but I genuinely can't remember what he did at Alexandria. Meanwhile, Abraham had taken charge of the wall construction crew, making him so much more valuable to the community as a whole. I hate how much his death was brushed aside on the show, and the actor saying he wasn't allowed to seek out new roles before season 7 premiered just adds insult to injury imo.
His death was so impactful for me. Just as he would've been ready to die for his country, he was ready to die for his community without a moment's notice. The one consolation is that he died thinking he saved everyone.
With his campy humour and his emotional depth combined, I think he's truly one of the most unique characters in the series. I think only Negan would be able to go bar-for-bar with one-liners.
I wish he was in more stuff, I loved him in TWD :)
Hey! I'm also a fan of Abraham.
Literally one of the biggest badasses on the show, loved him with his big smile and cigar. While a part of me is glad he didn't get killed off like he did in the comics, I still feel he should have lived longer in the show. One aspect that really bothers me tho about his death is that it was very overshadowed by Glenn's death, and while I understand that Glenn was one of the og's and a long time fan favorite, I feel like killing them both off in the same episode and same manner did a disservice to Abraham, cause I feel a badass like that deserved to have his own episode dedicated to him and his eventual death. This guy was a massive bull and capable in combat and survival and his humor and way with words made him such a likable character. Again, a shame his death was so overshadowed.
I 100% agree I really wish Abraham had died the episode before just so fans had time to process his death and it wasn’t overshadowed by Glenn’s
Woulda absolutely loved to see Abraham in the All our War arc, you coulda seen his military history on full display and that woulda been fire. Too bad the writers didn't know how to write a good story anymore
they overshadow his death so much i literally forgot he died with glen
Eugene wasn't a useless purpose for him. Without Eugene, the saviors bullets wouldn't have exploded. It took a bit but him keeping Eugene alive was Instrumental
abraham was always my top 5 characters ( in the comics too
I was literally telling my girlfriend yesterday how Abraham was so underrated. Then this video just popped in my feed today. It was made today to?!? 🤯
No way that’s such a coincidence! I hope you enjoyed the vid!
I think if he weren't a ginger he'd be remembered better.
Hahahaah justice for the gingers!
Abe is the Chad of the gingers though.
The only way Abraham would have survived to All Out War (and perhaps even beyond that) was if he stayed at Alexandria and helped protect it against any Savior attacks, instead of going with Rick and the others to Hilltop. Putting him in the Negan line-up is certain death for him, since he was the most logical choice for Negan to take out and make an example of (the biggest dude, showing little to no fear, and staring at Negan so defiantly and threateningly, which made Negan feel intimidated deep down and he knew that he couldn't break Abraham into submission like he could with the others). If Abraham wasn't there, Negan would have chosen someone else who showed the least amount of fear (either Daryl or Michonne), or chosen someone truly at random, just like he did in the Comic Series.
And with Abraham alive, he would have gotten Rick and the others to fight back against the Saviors sooner. I think he would play along with submitting to Negan's rule, but only for a short while, and then strike when the time is right. All Out War would start sooner and end sooner as well, and either Abraham dies fighting in All Out War, or manages to survive and gets to help the group deal with the Whisperers, the Reapers, and the Commonwealth.
It would be so cool if Jesus survived as well. Abraham and Jesus could have become an extremely badass duo who fought alongside each other against the Saviors, Whisperers, Reapers, and Commonwealth (if one or both of them manage to last that long into the story anyway).
One of far too many characters killed off too early
Favorite character is so difficult. Glenn's relatability, season 4-5 Rick, Negan for so many reasons, Daryl when it's just him and Dog looking for Rick, gotta respect Carol, and yeah...
Favourite character always. Absolute champ and he went out perfect.
Trueeeee
Dude has called the whole cast underrated 😂
I like the vids though I’ve watched them all and nice to drive to (appreciate the no swearing as my kid is in the car)
Hahahaha don’t you worry I don’t plan on slowing down anytime soon either. But I’m glad you enjoy them I try and keep them family friendly so all ages can watch :)
Thank you, YES!!!! Agreed 100% The fanbase rarely acknowledge that Abe did, in fact, "take one (or 6 or 7) for the team!" And even less of them are willing to admit that Daryl fucked up, I was legit bummed out the next day after the episode, at both Abe and Glen's deaths...but I seriously disliked Daryl for the next two seasons; not only for getting Glen killed, but for wasting Abraham's heroic sacrifice.
I wish Abraham lived way longer, it didn't make any sense killing him off at the line up, it should have been Glenn only since thats the death Negan pays the price for and its his most regrettable kill hes ever made, Also Abraham could have played a huge role in All Out War and the Whisper, Reaper and Commonwealth Arc's,
He should have been a long term character maybe up to season 10 or 11
man was a badass and lucky af Rosita is a smokeshow
I was so mad when Abraham died. He was my favorite.
Literally my favourite character was gutted when he died
Thank you for doing my favorite character
I don't think anyone can deny that Abraham is THE GOAT
He is the one who got them to Washington...had it not been for him and his fearless belief that brave people could save the world.
It was because of him that Alexandria was saved ..because without their group, Alexandria would have been destroyed by walkers.
While most stopped watching due to Glenn's death, I stopped because of Abraham's death.
so did i. Abraham was by far my favorite character.
As a person with sometimes extreme anger issues it's nice to see it represented well with Abraham's character. At first when we were introduced to him he was an aggressive charismatic leader for his group. By the end of his time on the screen he was a loving and compassionate man who cared about his friends fiercely .
He took it like a champ 😂 I can’t not laugh at that line
I was devastated when both of my favorite characters died in the same episode
Loved his band’s song too, “enter sandman”🤘
👏 Keep up the great content as always! 👏
@@gamewriteeye769 thank you so much man! :)
he’s underrated? Hands down my top 5 favorite good guys in the whole show
Big man Abe was my second favourite from the main cast behind Shane.The depth of character you mention is very real, the one liners are great and I bet a fight between the Big Red Machine and officer friendly would have been exquisite!
I pretty well checked out of the show after his death as the writers like to kill off the loose cannon bad ass characters that will argue and even go toe to toe with Rick such as Shane, Abe and Merle
I always felt like Abraham was killed only as a way to trick the audience into thinking Glenn was safe.
Abraham’s Death hits me harder than Glenns death! I also liked glenn very much, but abraham even more
RIP Abraham ✌️💯
Abraham has been my favorite character ever since he was introduced, I was absolutely devastated to see him die since I hadn’t been spoiled for his death 😭
I remember first seeing this guy as a CO on Prison Break that T Bag kills, great actor if you compare his roles
I loved Abraham, they should have kept him on until the end.
I love your TWD videos bro
Thank you so much! :)
@@theohuntt no thank you
He went out like a badass so I don’t regret his death scene. As sad as it was, it was the perfect way for his character to end. He had balls of steel and too much potential. Sometimes you have to leave the audience wanting more not less and they gave him a good season. Glenn on the other hand was done dirty season 6. He had no story arc and he was missing for a lot of the season due to his fake death. I wish they gave Glenn something subtle at least so when his death comes it feels like they actually utilised his character.
Ngl even tho I think him and Rosita were really great, they could’ve done the breakup so much better because Sasha and Abraham both felt as though they had nothing really left to live for after certain points and they should’ve had dialogue that showcased their similarities that way and how they compliment one another instead of an abrupt end for Rosita and Abraham
if i may ask how do you make character videos with clips of them? do you get any copyright or anything
I would have liked Abraham to have had more time with Sasha and I think he and Beta would have been great opponents.
That fight would have been awesome!
This is why I hated that both he and Glenn died in the same episode. Glenn's death overshadowed Abe's which is fucked. Should've just killed on or the other, there was no reason to kill them both 🤦♂️
Big red was my favorite character when he was introduced and it pained me he died how and when he did. Not giving us a propor morning as viewers
He was a good character i wish he had made it to the end
I totally agree with the assessment that Abraham's death was just for cheap spectacle. I broke investment with this show after that episode and watched it only obligingly for a short time after. The sort of emotional manipulation that showrunners engage in can backfire badly, and this series is evidence of that. Should really just focus on writing a good story/adaptation over what they chose to do with the show.
While I agree on what you two have said about Abraham's death and especially how he was simply forgotten by just about all the group I disagree about Glenn not having more story (and I felt the same about his death in the comic). Glenn, like Carl should have become a leader in the show. He basically should have been the bridge between Rick and eventually Carl.
In so many ways, Rick became Shane and at this point in the TV show he had taken on the negative qualities of Shane and had very little of his humanity and none of Glenn's compassion (which combined with his resourcefulness made TV Glenn more compelling than TV Rick IMO). I do think there was more for Abraham but I think Glenn's future could have been more interesting. He would have had time to deal with his part in the Savior massacre that led to Negan's violent retribution which honestly could have shown a different side to Glenn and forced him to grow and actually struggle with maintaining his humanity and learning to become a leader especially since...
And here's where the purists get angry.
Rick became the victim of Lucille. This makes more strategic and narrative sense considering he's the leader and if Negan truly wants to subjugate the Alexandrians, killing the leader is the best way to do so. This would've made for a far more interesting Savior war as say both Glenn and Abraham get to butt heads with how to deal with the Saviors. Abraham preferring a more scorched earth, take no prisoners way to war and Glenn both trying to defeat and outwit them while suffering from feelings of guilt for even taking part in the initial massacre and how it led to Rick's violent end and also struggling not to lose himself.
There definitely was more to Glenn's and Abraham's story and it's a shame that we didn't have a show runner and writers with a bit more imagination.
I was part of the season 7 exodus from TWD because they killed my favourite character... Abraham.
I always enjoyed his character, though to be fair I'm just generally a fan of Micheal Cudlitz. He does great work in everything I've seen him in.
I wonder how the fight would of went down with negan and Abraham if he gave him a fair fight hand to hand like he did with the guy who played Trevor in gta forgot his name in the walking dead it would be an interesting concept cause he showed no fear towards negan
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@@jordankennedy6205 yeah that guy lol
Fair fight abe woulda killed neegan. Why neegan killed him early without giving abe a chance. He knew abe was the biggest threat
My top 3 favorite characters are
1.Abraham
2.Lydia
3.Glenn
I love Abraham, as he was a unique and interesting character. He is someone who I would have wanted to have my back in a zombie situation. I was glad he was kept alive past his comic book death, as part of me was just waiting for it to happen, only for Denise to die in his spot. Sad we lost her but it gave me hope that he would stick around for a while longer. It was sad to see him killed off because I would have love to have seen what he could have done in the All out War arc, or better yet what he could have done with the Whisper arc. I would have love to have seen a fight with him and Beta, that could have been a good match up. Also it would have been interesting to see if him being alive would have changed things up with Sasha. Would she have died the same way, or would she have not taken that same risk and got caught?
I havent watched the episode where he dies more than twice. So details are limited in my current recollection. But you mentioned Abraham drawing attention to himself in the lineup. How did he do that?
By standing up and not tilting his head as Negan requested. It’s suttle but very deliberate
@theohuntt thanks for the response. I always liked Abraham because to me he was similar to the other boss characters; who never hesitated to handle things. I would have loved to see him & Sasha's relationship develop as well. And I actually didn't care as much that Glenn died because unpopular opinion; I found him and Maggie a bit annoying.
@@NoellGenna yeah totally I feel like Glenn’s story at come to a natural end but Abrahams had so much left to be told! Especially with him and Sasha!
he doesnt fidget while in the line up, just looks confident. Like he's the only one who was ready for whatever was to come.
@shirayasha yes, I do remember him kneeling more upright. Rick was also kneeling that way; that gave me the impression they didn't want Negan to think they were intimidated - like the others, who were visibly shaken.
Theo can you do the heavenly virtues vs deadly sins in twd characters. To get you started, If you do this, tomi would be sloth since he hid being a medic
If you love Abraham, you should read The Walking Dead comics because he is very funny in them.
I don't think Abe's death was a cheap shot at all. As much as I like Abraham, i have to say that his death actually made a lot of sense to me, as well as his inclusion in the lineup.
Abraham is probably the strongest and most intimidating man on the group. So, he'd naturally join Rick. It wouldn't make a lot of sense for Rick to have someone like Gabriel and maybe even Eugene since they're both weaklings. but if there is ANYONE Rick would need to bring, it would definitely be Abraham and Glenn.
also Abraham making himself look bigger than everyone and standing up against Negan in the subtle ways he did to show that he isn't afraid is exactly something Abraham would do. Glenn jumping out of line and attacking Negan after he threatens to kill a sickly Maggie is exactly something Glenn might do. BUT, Daryl punching Negan isn't something Daryl would or even COULD do. I mean, the guy got shot and is clearly sick or weak from an infection or blood loss. Not to mention that Daryl hasn't even spoken to Abraham and Rosita throughout the entire show, despite being in the same group. so why the hell would Daryl punch Negan? I feel like that only happened so that they could find an excuse to kill Glenn. so really, the true cheap shot of that episode was Daryl somehow gaining the strength to punch Negan for almost no reason, risking everyone and his own life, just so that the show could write in Glenn's death.
If they had kept Merle around longer I feel like he would have taken a swing at Negan earning him the Lucille death which no doubt would make Daryl lash out
Daryl did talk to Abraham when he saved him and Sash when they first meet the saviors and Rosita when Daryl was chasing Dwight. But I see where you’re coming from.
@@liltwistedgamer they should have had more interactions between Daryl and Abe. If they became bros then it would make more sense for Daryl to lash out
@@skwisgarskwigelf7191 of course. to the point where Daryl would probably get himself killed.
@@liltwistedgamer actually, yeah. tbh tho these moments were pretty forgettable except when Daryl shot a rocket launcher at the bikers. im a bit dumb for forgetting it.
Shouldn't have killed Abraham, he had a lot of potential i really missed him 😭😭😭
Can you do bob or noah next
Gingers reign supreme
uNdErRaTeD UnDeRrAtEd
Can you do a John one🥺
Yes definitely sometime in the next few weeks :)
@@theohuntt thank you so much he definitely deserves it my favorite twd universe character ❤️:(
I firmly believe Negan killed Abe because he knew Abe posed a serious threat and wouldn’t fall in line.
Duh. Negan even tells Rick in the 8x16 finale that eenie meenie minie mo shit was bs and he just didn’t wanna kill Rick in front of Carl.
He's not my favorite and most likely never will be but I truly think that he died too soon and never got the appreciation from anyone even after death
i enjoyed abraham i appreciate that he didn't get his comic book death. i think the line up death gave more story development for some of the other characters imo.
**SPOILER FOR FTWD**
also im currently watching s8 of FTWD as its on netflix now and im on episode 5. Grace's death is by far one of the more emotional deaths of the show. I'd put it up there with Nick and John's deaths.
They don't mention it as a sacrifice because it was not a sacrifice. He was literally chosen by Negan. Abraham did not have an option of whether or not he was going to get chosen or not it was not Abraham who sacrificed himself for the greater good. It was me and who took Abraham as a sacrificial token for all of the people that that group has killed. But because it was Megan's Choice nobody looks at it as though Abraham made an ultimate sacrifice himself
Christ is king
Yeah no offense against Glenn like Glenn is my dude and one of the best TWD characters but I really wish Abraham got more respect and got mentioned more by both the fandom and the characters in the show like c'mon Abraham is the GOAT 🐐 and deserves to be treated as so 😭🙏
Fr they did my boy so dirty!🥲
@@theohuntt Facts 😭🔥💯
Can you do a sasha one she is definitely over looked as a character with alot of story the lose of famliy the hunting walkers and so on
I would disagree with the claim due to the fact he has one of the biggest fan bases in the franchise. An example of an underrated character would be Noah or Eric
Poor Noah.
Abraham is my second favorite character behind Glenn. That episode sucked.
Abraham > Glenn and nothing can change my mind
When they took Glenn and Abraham I couldn't watch the show anymore.
Him and glen were my favorites so when they died I quit watching
clicked on video, saw it was stretched to 10:07 for extra ads, then i click off of video
I’m literally just making my point :) is every video on UA-cam meant to be less than 10 mins I’m confused?
@@theohuntt no, there’s a difference between a 10 minute video and a 7 minute video that is stretched to 10 minutes out of greed 💯
Abe kinda got a send off hint with the Eugene speech and feeling positive about the future Glenn had a little bit in the previous episode but felt like they wanted Glenn dead for more shock from the fans should have just kept it at Abe Glenn felt outta nowhere and like he didn’t even get many lines toward the end
His wife was dead she was not built for that world
I hate that Abraham didn‘t get the Recognition that he deserved.
As you can see during the Lineup, he was the calmest of the Group, due to him being calm under Stress, he learnt that in the Army. He probably was also extremly calm during the War in the Middle east.
Imagine Abraham, Shane, Daryl, Merle and Rick were together, Man oh Man they would be an invincible Team.
I would have liked Abraham to have had more time with Sasha and I think he and Beta would have been great opponents.