I Used An Estrogen Face Cream For 3 Months - Alloy M4 Review
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- Опубліковано 23 лис 2024
- #skincare #estrogen #perimenopause
In this video, I share my experience with Alloy’s M4 Cream, an estrogen-based topical cream for the face. I cover clinical study findings, key things to know about the product, plus outline my likes and dislikes. Check out my three-month before and after photos and let me know what you think! 😱😊
I was prescribed M4 Cream by an Alloy doctor after completing a medical intake on Alloy’s website.
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Thank you for doing this research!
Oh thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
I think a more fair comparison would be on a subject that is naturally or surgically menopausal because then there is a significant decrease in estrogen. At 35 I didn’t show deficits of estrogen on my face. Im 58 now. I’m using topical estrodial and seeing benefits. I have always had a detailed skin routine. I feel estridial topical has been like watering a flower. It perked me up. My GYN prescribed it for me at my request. I also use it vaginally, as prescribed.
Thanks for watching! I appreciate your point. Glad you found something that perked you up! 😊 I was 39 when I started using the cream. I hadn’t menstruated in a couple of years and had been breastfeeding, which is linked to low estrogen status. I also had a previous history of hypothalamic amenorrhea and oligomenorrhea so I wondered if my skin had taken any toll from that hormonal status. Have you tried estriol on the face? Do you think you’ll stick with estradiol?
Wow, thanks for sharing, Can you use it on your neck too?
@@dollupwithmargs721I believe so
What cream are you using?
I actually see a huge difference that I think people are overlooking. It seems your fat pads are restoring, if you were to outline the shape of your cheeks, the cheek on the left next to your nostril has filled in! Wow! Also, there seems to be a bit of Halloween on the chin which has filled in nicely on the right, and although the fine lines on the eye area are somewhat cut off, you can visibly see how much they have filled in and lifted by the angle and the direction they lay in There’s many more examples of this all over your face. This is very encouraging. Thank you very much for posting these pics.
Thank you for taking a close look! 😁
Estradiol has been the beneficial form of estrogen to reduce rhytids -as publishing the literature. You may want to, out of curiosity, see how your skin looks using estradiol instead.
Thanks. Do you recommend a particular estradiol face cream? I wondered about estradiol as a face cream after discovering the TEWL result from the estriol cream in the Alloy-commissioned study (mentioned at 14.05 in my video).
@@HealthHackers I have been to my gyno and dermatologist each in the last. month and one of them said you can use the Estradiol that is vaginal on your face too.
@@HealthHackers What I use is Estrogel 0.06% (estradiol). I place a tiny pea in my palm (I wear nitrile gloves) and combine with a 1/2 length of the dropper capacity of Ordinary's 10% Argireline and I spread on face and neck, once daily in the AM after facial cleansing. I let it absorb for about 3 minutes before applying further AM products.
@@HealthHackersI see videos of women using vaginal estrogen (estradiol only I think) on their necks and faces and getting great results. Maybe you could test that out and let us know how it helps.
Ive just started using vaginal estriol on my face a week ago precribed by my obgyn i use it nightly and every other night pair it with trentinoin and then moisturizer. In the mornings i use suncreen before going to work.i read reviews on this done extensive studying and im giving it a shot.its worth a try i will try to keep you updated.after reading reviews on here i dont believe alloy or musely puts enough estriol in it to make a difference plus i agree with one of comments on here its probably mostly the hydrolaunic acid making it appear that way which im not a fan if hydrolaunic acid anyway.some love it i just dont .i never purchace a product with hydrolaunic acid in it.if yiur curious why watch shreene idress video on hydrolaunic acid it eventually end results drys up your skin.i will try to keep updates on how this works out for me in three months using the prescription
Thanks for commenting! Regarding hyaluronic acid - I can’t see any hyaluronic acid within the M4 ingredients list on Alloy’s website: Estriol, aloe barbadensis leaf juice , C 12 - 14 isoparaffin, caprylic/capric triglyceride, deionized water, laureth-7, phenoxyethanol, polyacrylamide, tocopheryl acetate, and triethylene glycol.
Hello, how is your skin looking/ feeling? I'm thinking of starting the same process. Only mine is Estrodial, 0.6mg
Hyaluronic acid drys out my skin also. That's funny. I don't hear a lot of people say that their skin responds the same way.
@@ladibyrd The 0.6 Estrodiol is systemic HRT (for hot flashes, etc.) and you definitely should NOT put that on your face. It's too strong, could cause melasma and/or other problems. The vaginal estodiol cream is 0.01 which is very low dose and much lower risk of side effects. That's what people sometimes put on their face, off label. The Alloy M4 discussed in this video is Estriol which is even weaker than the vaginal Estrodiol 0.01.
My understanding is you would have to use progesterone along with the estrogen. IF you use on your skin.
Fascinating. Is this good for people over 70 years old?
YES!!!!!
Alloy patient here. I do like the M4 cream but do not care for the price.
Thank you for watching and commenting! That’s interesting. Do you think you’ll continue to buy M4?
Perhaps the hefty price reflects how much the makers of the cream care about menopausal women and giving them choices 😂
@@NM-qc2dhHas the price put you off?
Too pricy for long term use
I saw that. It’s $$
Your dark circles are definitely improved in the front facing after picture!
Good to know! Thank you! 😊
I’m being lazy here does the M4 cream have other skin enhancing chemicals like hyaluronic acid? If so, it’s really hard to know the results of the estrogen. Did you discuss if we can get HRT as avafobal cream and use it on our face?
Hi! Ingredients, as listed on Alloy’s website for its M4 cream, are: Estriol, aloe barbadensis leaf juice , C 12 - 14 isoparaffin, caprylic/capric triglyceride, deionized water, laureth-7, phenoxyethanol, polyacrylamide, tocopheryl acetate, and triethylene glycol.
Skin looks more smooth and fresh
Thanks for the feedback! 😁
Hi, thanks for video, but I want to double check before purchasing as Dr Anil Ranja ( you can check his you tube) says, Estrogen creams cause cancer.. can you please check as I am in UK and concerning a dermatologist is very expensive.
It can also cause melasma
I see the improvement in your skin whether it is by your endogenous estrogen or the estriol cream.
I use BiEst on my face, neck, decolletage and backs of my hands.
I have an Estradiol cream for my V that is fabulous for that atrophy issue down there.
I am a bit confused regarding your concern using your Estradiol cream for your V on your face because of some ingredients. Personally, my Estradiol for my V has very clean and safe ingredients only for down there since it is a mucous area and will absorb even more than whaty face would if I applied it to my face. I would never allow sub-par or questionable ingredients for down there. I talked at length with my compounding chemist and he agreed to only use what I approved ingredient wise for Estradiol cream fory V.
I highly recommend that you do the same. You are your best health advocate and your best advocate in general.
I enjoyed your video, you lok fabulous....Thank you!❤
Thanks so much for watching. I enjoyed reading your comment!
I hear you on the absorbency of ingredients in the V area. It’s something I’ve been a little concerned about and am learning more about my options. When I said I didn’t want to use my V cream on my face due to some of the accompanying ingredients - my thinking was that I did not want to use the cream any more than I should because I have questions about those ingredients. My V cream is not a compounded one.
I’m glad to hear you’ve found a great solution that you’re happy with. I will look into BiEst! Best wishes and thanks again for watching and commenting. 😁
M4 gave me bad melasma after 5 weeks. My derm and OB warned me to not use it, nor anyone with melasma history.
Oh, I’m sorry to hear that. How is the melasma now?
@@HealthHackers Months later, multiple laser treatments and 4k poorer is finally clearing up
@@Jenny-kw4lh I’m sorry to hear that. I just looked up why estrogen face cream could cause melasma and I understand now. All the best 💖
Obrigada por compartilhar!🙏🏻
@@rejanebellethank you!
Where to buy striven topic?
How much did this cost? Did you have to pay the doctor? If so how much?
Hi! Pricing is outlined in the video and on the Alloy website.
What about regular Tretinoin users? Can you mix them? Tretinoin is the gold star 🌟 anti aging product and I womt ever stop using it! Now that im in Perimenopausal, Im researching HRT'S, and it's hard to get a doctor to believe that Im actually having hormonal issues, and that I just need antidepressants and birth control 😒
I know nothing about this and am curious how do they get estrogen and put it into a cream?
I have M4 cream but keep forgetting to use on a regular basis. I don’t like the price, it seems very high for a small amount. I am going to talk to my GYN about giving me a script so I can save money. I already use HRT (estradiol gel on my thigh). I don’t understand how My Alloy can say M4 doesn’t impact estrogen levels when my estradiol creams and gels are prescribed for HRT.
Also, for $150 the label on m6 bottle was coming off and the packaging was rather cheap.
Does wearing sunscreen over the estrogen protect you from melasma?
Good question
Melasma is not only from the UV ray but also from the heat and hormone. Increased estrogen and progesterone during the pregnancy may causes melasma. So using SPF will help the UV damages. But if your skin gets hot per se, it will make melasma worse. It’s good idea to cool down your face after you worked out or being in the hot weather. If it is from hormone, then using estrogen cream may not be a good idea.
Wish I could love it. It gives me acne and melisma 😢
Can I get the prescription from my family doctor in Canada?
For Alloy M4 cream? As far as I’m aware only Alloy prescribes it.
@ ah okay. Thanks for responding! :)
The biggest problem I have with before and after is LIGHTING. The other is: exactly the same facial expression.
Hi! I tried my best with recreating the same lighting and expression three months apart. I’m not a scientist with scientific cameras
or equipment. Thanks for watching!
@@HealthHackers I understand. A professional camera isn't necessary. You may have better results if you create a set that is static, including lighting and your position. Good content.
Where can Ibuy it?
Hi! Alloy’s website. I have an affiliate shopping link in the video description.
New to your channel. Thx
💖 Welcome!
Is it safe though?
What are the risks?
Hi! Did you watch my “dislikes” section of this video?
The cream caused me bad dark spots, and melasma which it’s known for. I’ve had laser to remove it, but they’re still there. I also use tretinoin and hydroquinone, but the dark spots live on. I’m now on my second treatment of cryotherapy the first one didn’t get rid of the dark spots.
Hi - I’m sorry to hear that; it sounds frustrating for you. How long were you using M4 cream before you noticed the melasma?
@@HealthHackers Thank you and I had tried it in the past and suspected that it created dark spots so this time I took good photos before restarting and took them daily and I could see after about 10 days that there were many new brand new dark spots appearing
@@jamiejamie9491oh, that must have felt disappointing. 😔 Had you had melasma in the past (before using M4 cream)?
I just read the study and saw the same information about the elasticity and feel like I’ve been tricked! Hopefully the cream does something for elasticity but the investigators own objective measurements say it doesn’t!
Honestly, besides a bit in the forehead, I didn’t see any difference at all.
Also for more accurate comparison better not smile at all and open/closed eyes the same on both pictures.
I’m trying the vaginal cream now. Apparently you can also rub some on eg your arm for full body skin improvement. Let’s see how that goes.
Thanks for watching. I wanted to smile in the comparison photos for the full effect of the smile lines around my eyes!
@@HealthHackers yes I see why you would want to smile. But no 2 smiles are alike, that makes it more difficult to make an accurate comparison. Maybe do both next time ☺️
@@shermans8236 I see what you mean. Thank you for the tip! 😊
I don't see much improvement to be honest
I appreciate your honesty. Thank you watching 😊
DO THEY SHIP TO INDIA?
My understanding is that, at the moment, it’s only available in the US
You can get better vaginal estradiol cream in India for cheaper. Come on!
Did you get melasma?
Not that I can see!
Estrodiol is the best face cream I have ever used¡ My insurance covers the cost. So it's Free ❤️ and ✝️🙏 s
Thanks for commenting! Is your estradiol cream made for the face?
How did you get insurance to pay for it?
Not medical advice but Estrogen cream in a vaginal cream for dryness can be used for face. Just a small amount will last a long time. Prescription about $50 but does last. Also women who have low estrogen can use a small amount rubbed on breasts. Of course doctors won’t prescribe it for that as it is a vaginal dryness & thinning as a woman ages.
Thanks for watching. I mentioned the vaginal cream briefly in the video. Is that what you use on your face?
I used it for many months and it didn’t make any difference. I’m 65.
Thanks for sharing!
Give me tips on any other skincare products that should be on my radar in my 40s🙏😁
I’ve been doing this for months now ❤ new sub I liked and subscribed and hit the notification 🔔
Thanks for subbing and liking! Appreciated :) How are you getting on with M4 cream?
@@HealthHackers I have a prescription for the cream I mix it with 2 others and a few organic oils like snail serum and hyaluronic acid Argireline and a few other ones. It works great I’ve been using it since January. I tried a few different combinations but this one has seen the best results so far I had planned on using it for at least a year and monthly photo and trying to get a patent but I can’t afford the 15 thousand dollars for it so I just make it for myself 😊🌹🌹🌹🦋🦋🦋
@@PaganSkyeWow! You’ve formulated your own face product! I’ve never tried snail serum but have heard about it. Where do you source your snail serum?
@@HealthHackers I have a supplier ( the snails are not harmed ) but that’s just one ingredient there are 7 in total it took me about 2 years to get the formula right but I can’t afford the 15 thousand dollars for a patent so I just make it for myself and a couple of friends who want to use it It’s just a hobby now 🤗🌹🌹🌹🦋🦋🦋
@@PaganSkye Wishing you all the best!
I don't see difference.
Thanks for your honesty. Not even the forehead lines?
Your eye brows are raised. It tightened your forehead.
Thanks for the feedback! And thanks for watching 😊
No difference
Not even the forehead lines?
Estriol is not the main estrogen during pregnancy. It’s the main estrogen during menopause because it is produced by FAT.
That’s estrone.
@elsagrace3893 Thanks for engaging with my content! Estriol is described as the main estrogen during pregnancy, as stated in this paper: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28375935/#:~:text=Objective%3A%20Estriol%20is%20the%20main,%2C%20uveitis%2C%20and%20rheumatoid%20arthritis.
I value the discussion, and it's great that we're all learning together here!
@julia2591 I just learned something new :) Thanks
Cow milk has estrogen in it. But dairy also confuses the immune & endocrine system… 🤔
Have you used a facial estrogen cream?
Cows that are fed GMO soy, grass fed are different.
I see your dark spots being darkened, and actually the after wrinkles look slightly worse to my eyes. You should do pictures not smiling/face at rest, at the same time of the day and in the exact same lighting. *I've read that topical estrogen does worsen melasma/dark spots..so sadly, I won't be using on my face 😢
_Why on earth SMILE in before and after photos? The wrinkles created by smiling makes the Before and After photos.nul and void.
Me! 😆
@@HealthHackers Smiling creates wrinkles around the eyes so how can one judge the before and after...
@@lynette599that’s why I smiled, I wanted to see any potential effects on the wrinkling! 😁 In hindsight, I appreciate it might be easier to observe changes when not smiling as each smile can be different, so I live and learn. Thanks for watching!
It’s not even estradiol. Waste of money. Go ahead ladies, if you have it to waste.
Thanks for watching! Do you use an estradiol cream on your face?
haha here we go again. ALWAYS THE FLAMING USA!!
Thanks for watching! I hope you enjoyed the video. I’d love to hear any experiences or thoughts on facial estrogen.
But She appears to have fillers and Botox
Who? Me? 😂 Nope!
I don’t see any difference in your pictures sorry
Thanks for your honesty!
If you were breastfeeding your toddler when you received this, you are not in the demographic that would actually use it 😂😂
Thanks for watching! What did you think of my before/afters?
According to Alloy’s website, the cream is: “For any woman-really, any woman-looking to reverse the effects of estrogen-deficiency in the skin due to menopause, perimenopause, or just aging (loss of collagen, decreased elasticity, and dryness).”
Well said.
Ladies , Instead of spending $145 on a face cream which has the weakest form of oestrogen , Get a prescription from your Dr for Topical oestrogen and use that. It is one fourth of the cost and much more potent and effective. Thank me later.
100% true. As soon as something is labeled as cosmetic purposes and is for females the price goes up at least 5 times.
No difference.
Thanks for watching! Not even the forehead lines?