I've worked for Peugeot and now Citroën. These replacement engines come with a new belt already fitted. They totally rely on having the right oil. Wrong spec oil will destroy the belt very quickly. Unfortunately, non franchise and backstreet garages don't always know how important the oil is with these wet belt designs.. You will be pleased to know that I've see a brand new Fiat 600 a couple of months ago with the 1.2 Puretech engine AND IT HAD A CHAIN WHOOP! WHOOP!
I just can't believe how much PSA (now Stellantis) have gone down the pan... They've gone from making some of the most proven legendary engines, petrol and diesel (TU engine, XU engine, all of the XUD diesel engines (except the XUD9TE DHY that had very rare connecting rod issues) , oh and the 1.5 diesel version of the TU engine (best forget about the 1.4d...) and without forgetting the famous Peugeot Indenor diesels, which were in their late iterations, simply put, bulletproof (earlier versions from the 60s had head issues i think). Even Citroen (before being bought by Peugeot in the 70s thus creating PSA) had a bloody good diesel developed on their side, this being the M series diesel, used in the CX and J5/C25 vans, and a closely related version appearing on the C35. The early versions of these engines even had timing gears, before switching to 2 dry belts. The CX equipped with the turbo diesel intercooled version of this engine was for a short while the quickest diesel car of the world, it eventually got replaced by the XUD11 TD12 (2.1 litre 12 valve turbo diesel) however it just wasn't as powerful as the good old Citroën block, so they released the DK5 ATE (2.5l 12 valve turbo diesel) on the Citroën XM, which managed at last to keep up with the CX TRD turbo 2. Now all we have is engines that auto destruct themselves, it's worth noting that since PSA stopped production of the good old DW10 (2l HDI) and the proven DV6 (1.6 HDI made with Ford), they now only have the EB2 (or Puretech, the engine in this video) or the DV5 (1.5 Blue HDI), oh and the DV5 has a nasty habit of just upright snapping the chain that links the 2 camshafts together, grenading the engine.
Oh and I nearly forgot, the absolute MASTERPIECE of engineering which was Citroën's oelopneumatic suspension system, I daily drive a turbo diesel BX, and god when I get into one of my other cars (106, mk1 Clio and Escort mk4) it's like there's no suspension in comparison, not to mention the handling.
Yr a real good mechanic and you make me laugh with stuff like forgetting to tighten the fuel pipes and then losing the belt in the oil drum I used to have my own garage for 17 n half years and I was a meticulous mechanic
@@cpuuk when the top level build cost per unit efficiency manager come up with the factory efficiency improvement they did not expect failures inside of warranty, a cost saving that's for sure back fired- as I for one would never consider a wet belt car
Ford 1.0 Ecoboost, Peugeot Puretec are the main wet belt engines to avoid. Also stay well away from the 2.0 Land Rover & Jaguar ingenium engines as the timing chains go bad.
I’ve heard steer clear from wet belts but didn’t know what the issues were or reasoning behind them, glad you explained just another cost for driver to spend money at dealership for upkeep barmey 😢😢
Had to scrap my partners 2014 Focus because of the wet belt blowing the engine as the repair was more than replacing the engine. Will never ever have another Ford or another car with a wet belt.
Newsflash: Car Makers only need the car to last 3-4 years to clear the Warranty period. People buy on PCP contracts, so change cars every 3 years. This means the cars go wrong with the 2nd or 3rd owner, who the car maker doesnt care about. As they want you to buy a new car.
Certainly is I’ve done my own Ford 1.0 Ecoboost WB except it was a C-Max so had a bit more room than a fiesta to work but you remove the whole right side of the engine as I’m sure you know 😮
@lesnorris Working on the ground is so much harder and takes longer. It's cold too. I've just bought a set of those foam square tiles to lay on. Makes a huge difference.
what i do love about the PSA wet belt is that it is very easy to inspect and change. also the oil pump pickup is very easy to get to. on the Fords its a massive amount of work to even get your eyes onto the belt. I think as a mechanic this is even dumber then the rear mounted chains :(
Wetbelt is suppose to make you buy a new car. Engineers should be made to change and replace them and ask why. They could use chain but they want disposable vehicles.
It's not us engineers. It's the bean counters. We tell 'em this won't work, but in the endless pursuit of ' cost savings' or 'captive audience', they prefer items that encourage repeat spending.
@@alphaomega5721Which ironically will eventually mean the opposite for them because nobody will trust their engines anymore. Greed will eventually bite them in the arse and I hope it does put them all out of business tbh because they clearly do not care about the customers. I would never buy a car equipped with a wet belt, and anyone that asks me about buying a car
@@alphaomega5721Throwaway Society nothing is repaired anymore TV breaks buy a new one anything electrical we just replace when it breaks 24 hours after the 12 month warranty ends🤔 Almost like a breakdown after 366 days from first use of device … 😵💫😵💫😵🤯 Don’t be silly they can’t do that ! Can they??? 😬🧐 would they ?? Well all V.A.G. Group cars got caught with Software on car ECU to Lower emissions when having MOT done as they ran above legal limits breaking laws . So these massive corporations have little regards for us or laws and will put Profits over Policies & legislation/law Henry Ford was a FREEMASON & ALL the Main players in Government are FREEMASONS ALL the top Police CEO’s formerly CHIEF INSPECTORS but being Corporations & having DUNNS NUMBERS are now CEO Private Ran for PROFIT CORPORATIONS ffs the UNITED KINGDOM is a CORPORATION & Not really.a country! THIS IS ENGLAND 🏴 when I was at school the U.K. NONSENSE was brain washed into us 😂 off on a tangent their for a moment sorry … In short WE ARE BEING FUCKED OVER By EVERYTHING chemicals in our foods should be the main concern life shortening cancer causing shit the FDA APPROVED 🤯🤯🤯 all about money 💰 money 💴
If the no win fee solicitors thought they could they would of by now. "For Ford Ecoblue or PSA group engines, the manufacturer recommends replacing the wet belt every 6 years." Its a bit the same with cam belts, most people in the know reduce these intervals
Thank you Marvellous for stating this issue...I really do not undetstand the ideology behind this nonsensical descison to implement Wet Belts in car/van engines...its the same as car manufacturers saying gearbox does not need fluids!..
@@brianburns9190 Brian I found it mad how its thought as a good viable reason to put something like this ahead knowing full well its going to cost the consumers plenty! 👍🤜🏽
You have done a very good job there, well done. The thing is that "metal" can be reused (melted down), rubber (wet belt) can not be reused. So, the manufactures are talking a load of BS.
I found your channel a few weeks ago and binge watched the last year of your content. This is the first episode I've watched the same day it came out. Its very entertaining and informative content.
As an engineer, I find it perplexing to see a rubber belt exposed continuously to hot oil as a solution from mechanical engineers. Throw in manufacturers selling long time between oil changes and there you have it. I do my cars at 5k miles or 6 months for oil/filter changes. Simple job so no excuses. Oh yes... timing chains
Could be they failed to maintained are route time but to have wetbelt and oil - they never mix nor do they work. Oil eats rubber and when rubber breaks down it contaminates filter and fills any holes it can find.
wont help. far too many people buying cars who don't even know what brad they drive never mind what powers it. manufacturers are basically praying on them at this point.
Part of the driving test should include maintenance because a lot don’t even know to open the bonnet a bet a lot of these wet belt owners are the ones you see waiting for the AA to come change there tyre
I have a 2014. Pug 2008. Did not know about wet belt. Until i had owned it for a few months. Had 3 tears now. 47,500 miles to date.. Wet belt "Haunts" me every day. They can cost a lot of money to replace. Time for a change I think. See you in the next one. Cheers. 👍👍
I’m an ex Research and Development Engineer here in the UK and spent 20 years developing engines and calibrations Wet belt engines were developed with a wet belt simply to reduce engine friction; CO2 targets meant every single avenue was looked at to reduce fuel consumption, and there is a dyno measurable reduction is FMEP (friction mean effective pressure) and CO2 when using a wet belt. Hope this helps. Using the correct spec oil is critical
Good Job making a vid about this and very nice repair. I Hope many people will watch it and that the driving for god knows how Long with to Low oil pressure did Not damage Other parts of the engine.
Great video. Good to see how to use the belt width tool. I wondered how to fit through the holes in the oil filler. Ive had 2 of these. Replaced belt at 39k just starting to crack. It had 4 dealer oil changes. Oil consumption at 60k is around 1litre per 1000 miles. Apparently this is normal looking at various Peugeot forums.
I own 2017 308 1.2 THP. PSA did a recall and replaced my wet belt. It was a day to replace free of charge. I had no issues with the car before except the Cat failed in 2 years and was a warranty replacement. They said if everything was clogged they had to have the vehicle for three days and replace a lot of parts. I have used the correct oil since day one of ownership which is a specific grade B71 2312 0-30w c2 and not the B71 2290 which is for earlier versions. That little width gauge is a great way of checking. Very simple and cheap. Cracked tyres is more of a problem these days only after 2 years of use Michelin Pilots or even Goodyears !
At the main dealer they should be checking the belt by default at every oil change but you better make sure they do. On newer cars they raised the pressure value the warning light comes on. Still if you don't stop immediately, that engine is basically fubar.
Switch to the newest version of the belt, use the factory recommended oil and dont cheap out on the E5 petrol. City driving cokes up the poor bastard so you have to floor it sometimes. First thing you should do at every startup is turn off the star&stop system, since it's so agressive it won't let the oil to heat up properly during short trips. This way you might be able to get 100.000miles out of this engineering marvel of an engine. When you thought they couldn't do worse than the prince engine...
Since cars are sold at near-zero profit, it makes sense for it to have a wet-belt with which the car will be trash in 70K. new engine needed. Of course, if the car is serviced with the correct oil it may last longer, but car service places use cheap oil, so....
well my old corolla has over 200,000 miles on it and the engine has never been touched internally, got to say something about modern technology. Baffles me how someone as young as you Lara is so knowledgeable, or do you just look young? Either way many thanks for posting as its always a treat to have a Marvelous Lara vid to relax to.
Really good to see more awarness being spread about these atrocious wet belt engines. Had to scrap my partners car after this blew her engine. I would never have bought it if I'd have known about this. First thing i check when looking at a car is if it has a wet belt and walk away if it does and I suggest everyone out there foes the same. Absolute joke.
I think I would have removed a crank and main cap while the sump was off to check if oil starvation (and contamination) had affected the bearings (or even crank journals)
After market belt manufacturers should be making Kevlar belts that last longer. My 2014 Transit Custom chain engine has 560.000 km on it and doesnt make a noise.
To be fair, the state of the engines oil indicated severe neglect by a careless owner and I would guess the wrong grade of oil was used anyway which would have contributed to this cars wet belt malaise.
Just changed my wet belt for the second time at 200,000miles. It came out pristine. Oil changes every 10,000 miles. Two belts (I don't believe a manufacturer would change an engine without changing all belts) at almost identical mileages says owner, not vehicle, to me.
I was just say this I’m a window fitter I get a nice new van every 3 years and all been transits L350 LW/HR 2013 2016 2019 2023 now these vans don’t get wrapped in Cotten wool, hard use each and everyday and coving min 1000miles per week loaded with tools/and windows/doors each day Iv not ONCE had any issues with the mechanical side esp the dreaded wet belt of doom because each vehicle gets serviced on the button, main dealership each time so all the correct oil/components used soon as it’s picked up, booked back in 20 weeks later (20.000miles) the company I worked for leased them, it was all payed just the driver who was named to it had too book it in and sort it out. Didn’t pay for it but it was my responsibility but the issues of other drivers wouldn’t use main dealers just authorised service centres I would not even care about this wet belt issue Used vehicle or new Used it be straight in for a new one fitted to the manufacturer of the vehicle and fully serviced If you don’t maintain a car/van then expect things like this to happen
I've a Peugeot 208, wet belt changed at 44,000 miles as it was soooo perished. Such a low milage for this to be done, and I always had it serviced as per the owners manual.
I have never heard of a wet belt until watching your video. My understanding was you either had an internal chain or an external fibre belt. I know that second hand car dealers promote the chain over a fibre belt because the chain lasts longer. Interesting video Marv, thank you!
Miller oils recommend halving the oil drain interval on wet belt vehicles. I appreciate they may have a vested interest but appears sincere to me. Interested why you rate Febi filters, Mahle and Mann are usually touted as premium.
I’m not happy at all, my 2015 1.0 fiesta is due next year for the replacement, 70k kilometres but it 10 years old, ford Australia quoted me 3k, enjoyed the video 👍
They’d have received a class action by now in the States! The sad thing is how many people are buying these used lemons without even knowing there is an issue.
Petrol BIO engines are a terrible idea for the owners, Diesel BIO even worse, only reason i can think of for there continued use is the incressed revenue generated from the sale of parts. Again Marvelous Lara you have made a nightmare of a job look stright forward well done.
@@Bond2025 Yeah your average punter doesn't know crap about cars. They buy the pretty, comfy one with the gizmos, and it's got 'cheap' finance or whatever. My mom certainly wouldn't know about any of these issues, and she is the typical dealer's favorite customer.
Car manufacturer's have known for decades that wet belt systems are unreliable and in some design set ups, like here, are dangerous. They don't care, about you, the environment or the brand, because it's all about the money.
Thank you for the video. Like many others, I had no idea that a wet belt existed. Whatever happened to the old rubber timing belts that they used to have? You could easily check their condition and replace cheaply on a regular basis. Needless to say, I will avoid buying any of these wet belts so thank you for the warning!
Wait / What - thats a europarts "crossland" oil filter, not OEM. What oil did they use as well ? if they cheaped out on the filter did they cheap out and use the wrong spec oil ? That engine is knackered - all internals would have been starved of oil causing scoring etc. Get rid I drop the oil from mine every 5000 miles, use a tea strainer to see what comes out and then with an endoscope check the internal sump filter. I only refill with the very expensive TOTAL 0w20 ( Total Quartz Ineo Xtra First 0w-20 ) PSA B71 2010 approved oil. I would not be using Liqui Moly unless its LIQUI MOLY TOP TEC 6310 0W-20 ( all this sounds complicated but actually easy to do on driveway and well worth the extra 30 minutes of time to ensure the engine does not get screwed up. You as a mechanic are a very talented young man - well done for the rebuild.
I know little about these other than what I see on here, but it gives me the feeling it's one more step in making the engine a disposable item, it sounds completely ridiculous 😮
The Peugeot 108 and Citroen C1 mk2 could be bought with the Toyota 1KR-FE as well as the PSA Puretech engine, but Toyota knew better than to offer the Puretech engine in the Aygo mk2. I think that says it all really
As a mechanical engineer one of the fundamental things that I was taught at work was not to get oil onto rubber belts. It makes the rubber go soft, breaks the lamination down and swells it up. Who ever designed wet belts must have an agenda of wanting car engines to fail so the public buy more cars. Personally I would be more worried about my companies reputation being in tatters.
Synthetic oil to Ford spec wont rot the belt. Issue is people were filling them with the cheapest semi synthetic 5w/30 they could get hold of, instead of the Castrol 5w/20 fully synthetic from Ford! Many also never changing oil on time.
I’m not buying any car above year 2010. I’m a Peugeot person but my current projects are 1. Mercedes Benz E320 W211, OM648 straight 6. 2. Peugeot 406 2.0 liter HDi 110. 3. Peugeot 407 1.6 liter HDi 110.
I have an appointement this morning to sign up for a mechanic school (and was interested into becoming a mobile mechanic) but when I see the pain in some of your videos, I think I should reconsider my choice 😅
I see it as a hurdle mate. You’ll come across sht on a daily basis but once you’re over it, you’ll feel good about it! I say keep at it and enjoy the journey 😁
I dealt with wet belt cars when they first come out, and are the worst thing they ever created for cars i tell everyone to stay clear of any car with a a wet belt
hii marvelous i love your video's, about the car manufacturers you cant only blame them for using a wet belt. the do this kind of stuff like egr adblue ect because the government wants it
I agree that the wet belt is not a great idea but like everything rising costs to make vehicles is a major reason why manfactures look for savings leaving it to the end user servicing and the correct oil is everything
Great video . iv got ford focus 2020 plate my mechanic said to me get a car Ford focus don’t get a diesel don’t get a wet belt so I’ve got a petrol and I’ve got a chain happy days
Until very recently, I only thought it was Ford that used wet belts on their ecoboom engined. I was horrified to find out that Audi and VW fit them too. I was about to buy a 3 year old Audi A3 for 22k and backed out because of this. Gutted as I really wanted the car.
Wet belt engines are 30% more efficient and that means 30% less emissions which is why manufacturers are using them. Recomended change interval is 62 thou miles and recomended oil and oil change intervals are essential. Also PSA group recomend keeping oil level at the top of the dip stick markand not waiting until oil light comes on b4 topping up with oil. Any problems are probably caused by the owners lack of attention! Also just looking at that belt you can see it needs changing, probably wrong oil grade or non synthetic oil
Great hmm blog and video presentation, quality services by yourself, to be honest a lot of people don’t service their cars right ie right oils and service intervals, I’ve got a Ford Edge eco boost, and service my car every six months, and at moment it’s peering lol 😂, 😊
Im looking to buy a small van like a pug partner or similar size but the wet belts putting me off. Any idea what vans have chains instead of the wet belt ?
In the netherlands we had a tv show about Cars with those Puretech engines causing problems, a few Vauxhalls have those to , I thought Vauxhalls are populair in the Uk beware buying one ....... any car with a Puretech inside
low oil pressure probably cause bearing damage and all the belt trash clogged oil passages, turbo ect. once the belt has gone so far it is time to junk it.
I question if the system is designed to shed the debris after the belt hit it's last days and then send enough of a critical sensor value to shut down or protect the engine. This one looked ok to repair for time and struggle. But it's the difference between the belt getting tossed around and breaking down or destroying your motor and breaking down. This being said breaking down and not getting a warning on a interference motor. So then you got the science into it it is designed to prevent catastrophic failure with sensors to use the belt as a system to prevent that. Or if it is used as I would see it like it clogs up the oil system and lets you ride your bearings to death. The whole service just done to change the belt is going to be a experienced / knowledged person only repair and if it's done wrong you have clogged systems. So that being said, this car here is a good way to look at certain important things during service like loose rods, clean the oil pickup and clean the vac system for the brakes. I also noticed on a car even like that it would be a important part of the oil change to remove the oil filter, drain the oil and then install new filter and drain plug after all the oil came out to release the fluid in the pickup. The hole was going vertically up because someone knew the conventional sideways pickup with the screen in a side hole or similar would be clogged and not have a chance to come out. But then we get stuff like ford and their "wet belt" oil pump causing a whole timing chain and tensioner assembly or whatever inspection when you loose oil pressure. So, all these years of bad chain gears and tensioners causing catastrophic failure might be reduced in the future as those vehicles get older. It's also going to make you clean the pan for oil crud and I guess other stuff you ignore with a chain. But I would say that if this wet belt system has a expectancy of 60k and it is designed to shed if it's past its interval to prevent failure. With say oil light flickers and then it shuts down when there is no oil like the computer was saying. Instead of bent valves, cracked heads and even other damage from dry belt or chain failure. Then I myself would highly consider the same value in knowing it's a timing belt that is not going to let itself explode and destroy the interference way. Non interference motors that can handle a belt blowing like a 4 cylinder 90s Camry .etc are not as beneficial as old school. But, if I can poke at it with a check tool and if someone can predict it with signs along with the most important part of it being a more faster / easier job with the right tools. Then this in my perspective would be better as long as and only as long as it is not starving the system significantly enough to cause severe bearing damage. Seeing all the black material and the contents that came out. Then it's concerning about how much longer your gonna get from the thing. Instead of setting a warning light to indicate it's approximate time to replace the timing belt. or if the timing chain is giving slack .etc like a out of correlation code vw can have when the timing belt is on it's last leg or a tooth off. Then you got the thing where if that gauge can read the belt you would think a sensor could do the same thing to determine before shedding point. Other things like timing chain tensioner plastic will block a oil pickup completely. I know the bio sticker on the belt is like a eco friendly biodegradable belt. So maybe there is a new tech system being created for this design. But in all reality it's a system that pollutes the oil system and probably damages the engine along the way. Especially if the oil pump is chopping it up as it goes. I remember seeing my first car repair on the same engine they use in the Pontiac Aztec. You got a mix of oil in the coolant for the water pump and then you got a retainer to hold the timing chain gear to the timing cover so you can unbolt the water pump and hold the chain gear from falling off. So someone thought this was a good idea. Just like eco boost did their water pumps. Volkswagen also mixed into ford around early 2000. So as it goes with everything, there will be things you either do your research on before you buy it. Or you buy it and end up with something like this to have some weird system that basically gives the engine cancer over time. The only way that wet belt system would be good is it the oil got pulled from the pickup to the filter then the pump and motor. Along with something to give you a light that your timing belt / wet belt / oil system / and brake system is in need of immediate service. I completely agree that it could cause a crash and the design is very poor. So I guess over time we will see if this has a value to it or if it just destroys everything and is too problematic. It's amazing to see this one and try to comprehend how to think of it. The only thing I did notice was the engine codes might have been there to say it needed service. But at the same time it's not my vehicle and not my experience with how it got to that point. So just another reason why I don't care about new cars. They are nice and fancy to a certain extent, but I know what I see in them and it's not all as good as what it used to be.
I've worked for Peugeot and now Citroën. These replacement engines come with a new belt already fitted. They totally rely on having the right oil. Wrong spec oil will destroy the belt very quickly. Unfortunately, non franchise and backstreet garages don't always know how important the oil is with these wet belt designs..
You will be pleased to know that I've see a brand new Fiat 600 a couple of months ago with the 1.2 Puretech engine AND IT HAD A CHAIN
WHOOP! WHOOP!
The worst design out there.
But they're still doing it.....
@@Chris-v4z1t well for them it's easy money with the repairs after the guarantee or in accidents cases...
Like I said, they appear to have gone back to chains on the latest incarnation of the Puretech 1.2 engine. Only seen one though.
I just can't believe how much PSA (now Stellantis) have gone down the pan... They've gone from making some of the most proven legendary engines, petrol and diesel (TU engine, XU engine, all of the XUD diesel engines (except the XUD9TE DHY that had very rare connecting rod issues) , oh and the 1.5 diesel version of the TU engine (best forget about the 1.4d...) and without forgetting the famous Peugeot Indenor diesels, which were in their late iterations, simply put, bulletproof (earlier versions from the 60s had head issues i think). Even Citroen (before being bought by Peugeot in the 70s thus creating PSA) had a bloody good diesel developed on their side, this being the M series diesel, used in the CX and J5/C25 vans, and a closely related version appearing on the C35. The early versions of these engines even had timing gears, before switching to 2 dry belts. The CX equipped with the turbo diesel intercooled version of this engine was for a short while the quickest diesel car of the world, it eventually got replaced by the XUD11 TD12 (2.1 litre 12 valve turbo diesel) however it just wasn't as powerful as the good old Citroën block, so they released the DK5 ATE (2.5l 12 valve turbo diesel) on the Citroën XM, which managed at last to keep up with the CX TRD turbo 2. Now all we have is engines that auto destruct themselves, it's worth noting that since PSA stopped production of the good old DW10 (2l HDI) and the proven DV6 (1.6 HDI made with Ford), they now only have the EB2 (or Puretech, the engine in this video) or the DV5 (1.5 Blue HDI), oh and the DV5 has a nasty habit of just upright snapping the chain that links the 2 camshafts together, grenading the engine.
Oh and I nearly forgot, the absolute MASTERPIECE of engineering which was Citroën's oelopneumatic suspension system, I daily drive a turbo diesel BX, and god when I get into one of my other cars (106, mk1 Clio and Escort mk4) it's like there's no suspension in comparison, not to mention the handling.
You're absolutely right!
Wet belt timing is a terrible deign choice.
Avoid at all costs
yes avoid wet belts and buy an EV. is what manufacturers want you to do
Yr a real good mechanic and you make me laugh with stuff like forgetting to tighten the fuel pipes and then losing the belt in the oil drum I used to have my own garage for 17 n half years and I was a meticulous mechanic
1% fuel saving and a 12% engine build cost saving from the factory, definitely a production saving decision
£1200 average dealer replacement cost.
Totally understandable really but I’m sure there is another way…- removing adblue to save engine build cost? 😂
Ah, but a nice little earner for the dealer.
@@cpuuk when the top level build cost per unit efficiency manager come up with the factory efficiency improvement they did not expect failures inside of warranty, a cost saving that's for sure back fired- as I for one would never consider a wet belt car
Work out how much they saved on not putting chains on some if not all the 4,400,000 vehicles sold last year…
Your most passionate rant to date. I didn’t even know what a ‘wet belt’ was. I won’t be buying ANY vehicle with one! ❌🙈👍🏻🙏🙏
🤣😂🤣😂
Ford 1.0 Ecoboost, Peugeot Puretec are the main wet belt engines to avoid. Also stay well away from the 2.0 Land Rover & Jaguar ingenium engines as the timing chains go bad.
I’ve heard steer clear from wet belts but didn’t know what the issues were or reasoning behind them, glad you explained just another cost for driver to spend money at dealership for upkeep barmey 😢😢
Had to scrap my partners 2014 Focus because of the wet belt blowing the engine as the repair was more than replacing the engine. Will never ever have another Ford or another car with a wet belt.
Newsflash: Car Makers only need the car to last 3-4 years to clear the Warranty period. People buy on PCP contracts, so change cars every 3 years. This means the cars go wrong with the 2nd or 3rd owner, who the car maker doesnt care about. As they want you to buy a new car.
I watch Baz Meredith, he has done a tonne of these, he has all the gear, lift post ect. Hats off to you doing it on the drive.
A PSA 1.2 wet belt is far, far easier than a Ford though.
Certainly is I’ve done my own Ford 1.0 Ecoboost WB except it was a C-Max so had a bit more room than a fiesta to work but you remove the whole right side of the engine as I’m sure you know 😮
@@khalidacosta7133 they sure are
@lesnorris Working on the ground is so much harder and takes longer. It's cold too. I've just bought a set of those foam square tiles to lay on. Makes a huge difference.
what i do love about the PSA wet belt is that it is very easy to inspect and change. also the oil pump pickup is very easy to get to.
on the Fords its a massive amount of work to even get your eyes onto the belt.
I think as a mechanic this is even dumber then the rear mounted chains :(
I still wouldn't buy any of them.
Rear mounted chains like diesel BMW or Vauxhall insignia, LR Ingenium engine can also do one! They’re SH*T to do!!!
At least Ford and PSA specify a service interval. No specified service interval on VAG engines....
Wetbelt is suppose to make you buy a new car. Engineers should be made to change and replace them and ask why. They could use chain but they want disposable vehicles.
‘More ECONOMICAL’ 😂
It's not us engineers. It's the bean counters. We tell 'em this won't work, but in the endless pursuit of ' cost savings' or 'captive audience', they prefer items that encourage repeat spending.
@@alphaomega5721Which ironically will eventually mean the opposite for them because nobody will trust their engines anymore.
Greed will eventually bite them in the arse and I hope it does put them all out of business tbh because they clearly do not care about the customers.
I would never buy a car equipped with a wet belt, and anyone that asks me about buying a car
@@alphaomega5721Throwaway Society nothing is repaired anymore TV breaks buy a new one anything electrical we just replace when it breaks 24 hours after the 12 month warranty ends🤔
Almost like a breakdown after 366 days from first use of device … 😵💫😵💫😵🤯
Don’t be silly they can’t do that ! Can they??? 😬🧐 would they ?? Well all V.A.G. Group cars got caught with Software on car ECU to Lower emissions when having MOT done as they ran above legal limits breaking laws . So these massive corporations have little regards for us or laws and will put Profits over Policies & legislation/law
Henry Ford was a FREEMASON & ALL the Main players in Government are FREEMASONS ALL the top Police CEO’s formerly CHIEF INSPECTORS but being Corporations & having DUNNS NUMBERS are now CEO
Private Ran for PROFIT CORPORATIONS ffs the UNITED KINGDOM is a CORPORATION & Not really.a country! THIS IS ENGLAND 🏴 when I was at school the U.K. NONSENSE was brain washed into us 😂 off on a tangent their for a moment sorry …
In short WE ARE BEING FUCKED OVER By EVERYTHING chemicals in our foods should be the main concern life shortening cancer causing shit the FDA APPROVED 🤯🤯🤯 all about money 💰 money 💴
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This sort of common defect should be covered under not fit for purpose law... It's just if anyone wants to take on a big company.
If the no win fee solicitors thought they could they would of by now. "For Ford Ecoblue or PSA group engines, the manufacturer recommends replacing the wet belt every 6 years." Its a bit the same with cam belts, most people in the know reduce these intervals
Ford has started to pay for the full cost of repair so long as the car has a full service history.
That's why they are getting sued.
Thank you Marvellous for stating this issue...I really do not undetstand the ideology behind this nonsensical descison to implement Wet Belts in car/van engines...its the same as car manufacturers saying gearbox does not need fluids!..
It blows my mind on a daily basis
@themarvelousvlog my c4 1.2 done 46 thousand miles .Just booked in to get belt replaced. been lucky no problems.
How many cars go scrapyard from engendered in failure and isn’t the vat on a new car 20% so on a 40k car the dirty government get 8k
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Brian
I found it mad how its thought as a good viable reason to put something like this ahead knowing full well its going to cost the consumers plenty!
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@@janlojko5228
Its nonsensical really!
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Ford We're just fined 160 million in America for not admitting the wet belt problem for 12 years ....
That’s crazy! 🤯
Yet Ford Europe won't even acknowledge there is an issue with the Ecoboom engine.
That's peanuts for Ford. How many vehicles they sold with that defect?
@@0bzen22ALL OF THEM😂
Fantastic work. Well done marvellous… Definitely keep them coming. Nothing more rewarding than hearing a Healthy car again 😃😃
You have done a very good job there, well done. The thing is that "metal" can be reused (melted down), rubber (wet belt) can not be reused. So, the manufactures are talking a load of BS.
Car manufacturers are like politicians. Hard to trust.
I found your channel a few weeks ago and binge watched the last year of your content. This is the first episode I've watched the same day it came out. Its very entertaining and informative content.
Welcome aboard! Thank you for the kind words 😁
Manufacturers who use wet belts should be done for fraud that's when they will start wetting themselves
As an engineer, I find it perplexing to see a rubber belt exposed continuously to hot oil as a solution from mechanical engineers. Throw in manufacturers selling long time between oil changes and there you have it. I do my cars at 5k miles or 6 months for oil/filter changes. Simple job so no excuses. Oh yes... timing chains
Preach that
Not sure what engineer doesn't know that belt will not be rubber.....
@@khalidacosta7133 what do you think they would be made from, steel looking like rubber, or the less popular polyurathane or neoprene ?
You are 100% right we went to a ford transit the other day belt completely gone , motor replacement
Never mind the wet belt, you’re a great mechanic! Very entertaining content. Keep it coming.
Thanks, will do!
Could be they failed to maintained are route time but to have wetbelt and oil - they never mix nor do they work. Oil eats rubber and when rubber breaks down it contaminates filter and fills any holes it can find.
Excellent video,complex mechanical work,with clear explanation ,done with a sense of humour!
Glad you enjoyed it!
People must stop buying cars with these stupid engines, so companies can shove oily wet belts up, wherever they want.
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wont help. far too many people buying cars who don't even know what brad they drive never mind what powers it. manufacturers are basically praying on them at this point.
makes it a real pain when you just buy 2nd hand cars. then wind up finding a bunch with stupid configurations that you would otherwise want.
Part of the driving test should include maintenance
because a lot don’t even know to open the bonnet
a bet a lot of these wet belt owners are the ones you see waiting for the AA to come change there tyre
Brilliant video as ever ,what a crap idea manufacturers made big mistake😢😢😢😢😢
I have a 2014. Pug 2008. Did not know about wet belt. Until i had owned it for a few months. Had 3 tears now. 47,500 miles to date.. Wet belt "Haunts" me every day. They can cost a lot of money to replace. Time for a change I think. See you in the next one. Cheers. 👍👍
Next one in line is the Knock Sensor kicking in due to carbonisation 🥲
I’m an ex Research and Development Engineer here in the UK and spent 20 years developing engines and calibrations
Wet belt engines were developed with a wet belt simply to reduce engine friction; CO2 targets meant every single avenue was looked at to reduce fuel consumption, and there is a dyno measurable reduction is FMEP (friction mean effective pressure) and CO2 when using a wet belt. Hope this helps.
Using the correct spec oil is critical
Good Job making a vid about this and very nice repair. I Hope many people will watch it and that the driving for god knows how Long with to Low oil pressure did Not damage Other parts of the engine.
Great video. Good to see how to use the belt width tool. I wondered how to fit through the holes in the oil filler.
Ive had 2 of these. Replaced belt at 39k just starting to crack. It had 4 dealer oil changes.
Oil consumption at 60k is around 1litre per 1000 miles. Apparently this is normal looking at various Peugeot forums.
also as i was consumed by the red mist lol i forgot to say this is another great video from Lara. so thanks bro. keep it up. x
Awesome! Thank you!
Dry Belts and Chains have been around for years. Know what I would trust the most.
I own 2017 308 1.2 THP. PSA did a recall and replaced my wet belt. It was a day to replace free of charge. I had no issues with the car before except the Cat failed in 2 years and was a warranty replacement. They said if everything was clogged they had to have the vehicle for three days and replace a lot of parts. I have used the correct oil since day one of ownership which is a specific grade B71 2312 0-30w c2 and not the B71 2290 which is for earlier versions. That little width gauge is a great way of checking. Very simple and cheap. Cracked tyres is more of a problem these days only after 2 years of use Michelin Pilots or even Goodyears !
Great Video and helpful, my Daughter has a Citroen C3, same engine, regular oil changes are priority, but I admit, very poor idea! 😡
Anytime now! Best to buy the small tool before it’s too late 😳
At the main dealer they should be checking the belt by default at every oil change but you better make sure they do. On newer cars they raised the pressure value the warning light comes on. Still if you don't stop immediately, that engine is basically fubar.
Switch to the newest version of the belt, use the factory recommended oil and dont cheap out on the E5 petrol. City driving cokes up the poor bastard so you have to floor it sometimes. First thing you should do at every startup is turn off the star&stop system, since it's so agressive it won't let the oil to heat up properly during short trips. This way you might be able to get 100.000miles out of this engineering marvel of an engine.
When you thought they couldn't do worse than the prince engine...
Well done mate ! You did it with passion 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Since cars are sold at near-zero profit, it makes sense for it to have a wet-belt with which the car will be trash in 70K. new engine needed.
Of course, if the car is serviced with the correct oil it may last longer, but car service places use cheap oil, so....
Of course they make a profit. Don't believe that nonsense that the accountants report.
well my old corolla has over 200,000 miles on it and the engine has never been touched internally, got to say something about modern technology. Baffles me how someone as young as you Lara is so knowledgeable, or do you just look young? Either way many thanks for posting as its always a treat to have a Marvelous Lara vid to relax to.
Just like our modern roads, always cracking and forming potholes out of the blue!
I just look young 😂 I’m almost 30 haha
@@themarvelousvlog Yep you are young but obviously a bit of a mechanical genius!
Really good to see more awarness being spread about these atrocious wet belt engines. Had to scrap my partners car after this blew her engine. I would never have bought it if I'd have known about this. First thing i check when looking at a car is if it has a wet belt and walk away if it does and I suggest everyone out there foes the same. Absolute joke.
I think I would have removed a crank and main cap while the sump was off to check if oil starvation (and contamination) had affected the bearings (or even crank journals)
Just use correct oil, change at regular service intervals and get warranty, any type belt can go but people are skimping on services/using wrong oil
Good job - well done - I wont be buying one of these motors in the near future that's for sure.
Been neglected servicing on their part good video👌😁 strange seeing a vaccuum pump on a petrol i thought they were only on diesels🤷♂️😳
After market belt manufacturers should be making Kevlar belts that last longer.
My 2014 Transit Custom chain engine has 560.000 km on it and doesnt make a noise.
They should do the recall and replace all the belt back to chain asap, or they should get sued :/
the wetbelt on the 1.2 is the least of its a problems,its got a very flawed piston ring design which makes it burn a lot of oil
Well done lad doing a job like this outside in somebody's yard !!
To be fair, the state of the engines oil indicated severe neglect by a careless owner and I would guess the wrong grade of oil was used anyway which would have contributed to this cars wet belt malaise.
I agree with this…
Just changed my wet belt for the second time at 200,000miles. It came out pristine. Oil changes every 10,000 miles. Two belts (I don't believe a manufacturer would change an engine without changing all belts) at almost identical mileages says owner, not vehicle, to me.
I was just say this
I’m a window fitter
I get a nice new van every 3 years and all been transits L350 LW/HR
2013
2016
2019
2023
now these vans don’t get wrapped in Cotten wool, hard use each and everyday and coving min 1000miles per week loaded with tools/and windows/doors each day
Iv not ONCE had any issues with the mechanical side esp the dreaded wet belt of doom
because each vehicle gets serviced on the button, main dealership each time so all the correct oil/components used
soon as it’s picked up, booked back in 20 weeks later (20.000miles)
the company I worked for leased them, it was all payed just the driver who was named to it had too book it in and sort it out. Didn’t pay for it but it was my responsibility
but the issues of other drivers wouldn’t use main dealers just authorised service centres
I would not even care about this wet belt issue
Used vehicle or new
Used it be straight in for a new one fitted to the manufacturer of the vehicle and fully serviced
If you don’t maintain a car/van then expect things like this to happen
I've a Peugeot 208, wet belt changed at 44,000 miles as it was soooo perished. Such a low milage for this to be done, and I always had it serviced as per the owners manual.
i have a 2008 wet belt peugeot changed after 6 years oil change yearly fingers crossed.
i didnt know when i bought it thanks to good garage i had mine changed 9months ago
driving 4 answers has made the best video about this.
I have never heard of a wet belt until watching your video. My understanding was you either had an internal chain or an external fibre belt. I know that second hand car dealers promote the chain over a fibre belt because the chain lasts longer. Interesting video Marv, thank you!
Miller oils recommend halving the oil drain interval on wet belt vehicles. I appreciate they may have a vested interest but appears sincere to me. Interested why you rate Febi filters, Mahle and Mann are usually touted as premium.
Febi is OE Matching, which means exactly the same as the OEM product. You’ll find that Febi will etch off the OEM branding off the part
Wet belts are crap and pointless they should make manufacturers replace engines for normal dry cam belts .
There really was nothing wrong with regular dry timing belts
Great job, very well explained. PureTechnician 🔧
Thank you mate!
Apparently you can get rid of the wet belt and change it for a ‘dry’ belt .
Trigger down the pub sweeps the streets for a reason.
Some say the belts wear out because of the ethanol content in the petrol.
I’m sure it does contribute to it but imagine if it was a dry belt- what a world it would have been 😂
Fun fact dry belt is cheaper to make. A few rubber seals are cheaper than belt cover.
I’m not happy at all, my 2015 1.0 fiesta is due next year for the replacement, 70k kilometres but it 10 years old, ford Australia quoted me 3k, enjoyed the video 👍
They’d have received a class action by now in the States! The sad thing is how many people are buying these used lemons without even knowing there is an issue.
Like a couple of others I had no idea of what a 'wet belt' is, no way on earth would I buy a car manufactured with one.
Petrol BIO engines are a terrible idea for the owners, Diesel BIO even worse, only reason i can think of for there continued use is the incressed revenue generated from the sale of parts. Again Marvelous Lara you have made a nightmare of a job look stright forward well done.
Not a bad rant at all Lara...and I agreed with everything you said.
17:30 wouldn't just turning the engine crack over by hand confirm if its timed? As the valves wont be touching the piston ?
According to some manufacturers the wet belt was to reach new emission standards
If people stopped buying vehicles with a wet belt engine, the vehicle manufacturers would very quickly stop selling vehicles with wet belt engines.
People said that about CVT. We still have them.
@@Bond2025 Yeah your average punter doesn't know crap about cars. They buy the pretty, comfy one with the gizmos, and it's got 'cheap' finance or whatever. My mom certainly wouldn't know about any of these issues, and she is the typical dealer's favorite customer.
Car manufacturer's have known for decades that wet belt systems are unreliable and in some design set ups, like here, are dangerous. They don't care, about you, the environment or the brand, because it's all about the money.
Great work your a legend
Thank you for the video. Like many others, I had no idea that a wet belt existed. Whatever happened to the old rubber timing belts that they used to have? You could easily check their condition and replace cheaply on a regular basis. Needless to say, I will avoid buying any of these wet belts so thank you for the warning!
A lot of people are unaware of this until the dreaded oil pressure light comes on 🥲
Wait / What - thats a europarts "crossland" oil filter, not OEM. What oil did they use as well ? if they cheaped out on the filter did they cheap out and use the wrong spec oil ?
That engine is knackered - all internals would have been starved of oil causing scoring etc. Get rid
I drop the oil from mine every 5000 miles, use a tea strainer to see what comes out and then with an endoscope check the internal sump filter. I only refill with the very expensive TOTAL 0w20 ( Total Quartz Ineo Xtra First 0w-20 ) PSA B71 2010 approved oil. I would not be using Liqui Moly unless its LIQUI MOLY TOP TEC 6310 0W-20 ( all this sounds complicated but actually easy to do on driveway and well worth the extra 30 minutes of time to ensure the engine does not get screwed up.
You as a mechanic are a very talented young man - well done for the rebuild.
I know little about these other than what I see on here, but it gives me the feeling it's one more step in making the engine a disposable item, it sounds completely ridiculous 😮
surely if the car had a new engine the warranty time restarts and can be replaced?
I drive a Toyota, no wet belt problems ever.....
I'm toyota man won't own any other brand 😊
The Peugeot 108 and Citroen C1 mk2 could be bought with the Toyota 1KR-FE as well as the PSA Puretech engine, but Toyota knew better than to offer the Puretech engine in the Aygo mk2. I think that says it all really
And Toyota hybrids have no rubber drivebelts of any sort anywhere on the car 😊
Not necessarily true :D They have models with Peugeot engines. I don't think any have wet belts in them, but always be careful.
Toyota is a sensible company, many of it's management have solid engineering backgrounds
A job very well done
As a mechanical engineer one of the fundamental things that I was taught at work was not to get oil onto rubber belts. It makes the rubber go soft, breaks the lamination down and swells it up. Who ever designed wet belts must have an agenda of wanting car engines to fail so the public buy more cars. Personally I would be more worried about my companies reputation being in tatters.
Synthetic oil to Ford spec wont rot the belt. Issue is people were filling them with the cheapest semi synthetic 5w/30 they could get hold of, instead of the Castrol 5w/20 fully synthetic from Ford! Many also never changing oil on time.
Honda has same wet belt in 3 cylinder engine
I’m not buying any car above year 2010. I’m a Peugeot person but my current projects are
1. Mercedes Benz E320 W211, OM648 straight 6.
2. Peugeot 406 2.0 liter HDi 110.
3. Peugeot 407 1.6 liter HDi 110.
I have an appointement this morning to sign up for a mechanic school (and was interested into becoming a mobile mechanic) but when I see the pain in some of your videos, I think I should reconsider my choice 😅
I see it as a hurdle mate. You’ll come across sht on a daily basis but once you’re over it, you’ll feel good about it! I say keep at it and enjoy the journey 😁
@themarvelousvlog Thank you ^^
Switching career after 10 exhausting years in IT, I hope I won't regret it (too much) 😁
@giovannipomarico2035 follow Alpha Autos here on YT and TikTok. He’s got a great story to tell you. I believe he used to be an IT consultant too 😁
What I want to know is how much money they're saving or stealing.
I dealt with wet belt cars when they first come out, and are the worst thing they ever created for cars i tell everyone to stay clear of any car with a a wet belt
Yeah I always say this to people
If the gauze on the oil pick up is excessively damaged the engine is toast
What was the cost of replacing the wet belt?
Is there no aftermarket chain kits available?
I have a ford bmax ecoboost with 92.000 being to sound awful. The oil pressure light has flashed when starting
Good video brother 🙌 0:46
hii marvelous i love your video's, about the car manufacturers you cant only blame them for using a wet belt. the do this kind of stuff like egr adblue ect because the government wants it
It all goes back to them doesn’t? Is there any other way, or any other way to be economical without using wetbelt?
Excellent job well done were are you located
South of England but we travel everywhere really… if you ever need us, give us a call
I agree that the wet belt is not a great idea but like everything rising costs to make vehicles is a major reason why manfactures look for savings leaving it to the end user servicing and the correct oil is everything
Great video .
iv got ford focus 2020 plate
my mechanic said to me get a car Ford focus don’t get a diesel don’t get a wet belt so I’ve got a petrol and I’ve got a chain
happy days
Until very recently, I only thought it was Ford that used wet belts on their ecoboom engined. I was horrified to find out that Audi and VW fit them too. I was about to buy a 3 year old Audi A3 for 22k and backed out because of this. Gutted as I really wanted the car.
I had a 208 with the wet belt got rid & bought a 71 plate Yaris with a chain would not buy another car with a wet belt marv ❤
Wet belt engines are 30% more efficient and that means 30% less emissions which is why manufacturers are using them. Recomended change interval is 62 thou miles and recomended oil and oil change intervals are essential. Also PSA group recomend keeping oil level at the top of the dip stick markand not waiting until oil light comes on b4 topping up with oil. Any problems are probably caused by the owners lack of attention! Also just looking at that belt you can see it needs changing, probably wrong oil grade or non synthetic oil
Surprised you didn't remove the vanos solenoids to clean the mesh on the oil feeds.
They do it because they make more money from repairs than the sale of the car
Great hmm blog and video presentation, quality services by yourself, to be honest a lot of people don’t service their cars right ie right oils and service intervals, I’ve got a Ford Edge eco boost, and service my car every six months, and at moment it’s peering lol 😂, 😊
The ecoboost is yet another beast 😂
More manufacturing more disposal finally someone gets it.
Worst design belt ever created and the pug is now good for another 30k 🤣🤣 great work young man. How to I get on your shop plz ??
Im looking to buy a small van like a pug partner or similar size but the wet belts putting me off. Any idea what vans have chains instead of the wet belt ?
Avoid 1.5 Diesel from Pug, Cit, Ford and Toyota. Treat yourself to the 1.6 Diesel from the same companies above, thank me later! 😁
@@themarvelousvlog Top man
Any van with the FIAT 1.3 multijet engine fitted
bro your a brave man working out in that british weather
I try
In the netherlands we had a tv show about Cars with those Puretech engines causing problems, a few Vauxhalls have those to , I thought Vauxhalls are populair in the Uk beware buying one ....... any car with a Puretech inside
It is about time that someone sues these maggots as this is manufactured thievery by car manufacturers.
They are all going bankrupt anyway due to cheap Chinese EVs
low oil pressure probably cause bearing damage and all the belt trash clogged oil passages, turbo ect. once the belt has gone so far it is time to junk it.
I question if the system is designed to shed the debris after the belt hit it's last days and then send enough of a critical sensor value to shut down or protect the engine.
This one looked ok to repair for time and struggle.
But it's the difference between the belt getting tossed around and breaking down or destroying your motor and breaking down.
This being said breaking down and not getting a warning on a interference motor.
So then you got the science into it it is designed to prevent catastrophic failure with sensors to use the belt as a system to prevent that.
Or if it is used as I would see it like it clogs up the oil system and lets you ride your bearings to death.
The whole service just done to change the belt is going to be a experienced / knowledged person only repair and if it's done wrong you have clogged systems.
So that being said, this car here is a good way to look at certain important things during service like loose rods, clean the oil pickup and clean the vac system for the brakes.
I also noticed on a car even like that it would be a important part of the oil change to remove the oil filter, drain the oil and then install new filter and drain plug after all the oil came out to release the fluid in the pickup.
The hole was going vertically up because someone knew the conventional sideways pickup with the screen in a side hole or similar would be clogged and not have a chance to come out.
But then we get stuff like ford and their "wet belt" oil pump causing a whole timing chain and tensioner assembly or whatever inspection when you loose oil pressure.
So, all these years of bad chain gears and tensioners causing catastrophic failure might be reduced in the future as those vehicles get older.
It's also going to make you clean the pan for oil crud and I guess other stuff you ignore with a chain.
But I would say that if this wet belt system has a expectancy of 60k and it is designed to shed if it's past its interval to prevent failure.
With say oil light flickers and then it shuts down when there is no oil like the computer was saying.
Instead of bent valves, cracked heads and even other damage from dry belt or chain failure.
Then I myself would highly consider the same value in knowing it's a timing belt that is not going to let itself explode and destroy the interference way.
Non interference motors that can handle a belt blowing like a 4 cylinder 90s Camry .etc are not as beneficial as old school.
But, if I can poke at it with a check tool and if someone can predict it with signs along with the most important part of it being a more faster / easier job with the right tools.
Then this in my perspective would be better as long as and only as long as it is not starving the system significantly enough to cause severe bearing damage.
Seeing all the black material and the contents that came out.
Then it's concerning about how much longer your gonna get from the thing.
Instead of setting a warning light to indicate it's approximate time to replace the timing belt. or if the timing chain is giving slack .etc like a out of correlation code vw can have when the timing belt is on it's last leg or a tooth off.
Then you got the thing where if that gauge can read the belt you would think a sensor could do the same thing to determine before shedding point.
Other things like timing chain tensioner plastic will block a oil pickup completely.
I know the bio sticker on the belt is like a eco friendly biodegradable belt.
So maybe there is a new tech system being created for this design.
But in all reality it's a system that pollutes the oil system and probably damages the engine along the way.
Especially if the oil pump is chopping it up as it goes.
I remember seeing my first car repair on the same engine they use in the Pontiac Aztec.
You got a mix of oil in the coolant for the water pump and then you got a retainer to hold the timing chain gear to the timing cover so you can unbolt the water pump and hold the chain gear from falling off.
So someone thought this was a good idea.
Just like eco boost did their water pumps.
Volkswagen also mixed into ford around early 2000.
So as it goes with everything, there will be things you either do your research on before you buy it.
Or you buy it and end up with something like this to have some weird system that basically gives the engine cancer over time.
The only way that wet belt system would be good is it the oil got pulled from the pickup to the filter then the pump and motor.
Along with something to give you a light that your timing belt / wet belt / oil system / and brake system is in need of immediate service.
I completely agree that it could cause a crash and the design is very poor.
So I guess over time we will see if this has a value to it or if it just destroys everything and is too problematic.
It's amazing to see this one and try to comprehend how to think of it.
The only thing I did notice was the engine codes might have been there to say it needed service.
But at the same time it's not my vehicle and not my experience with how it got to that point.
So just another reason why I don't care about new cars.
They are nice and fancy to a certain extent, but I know what I see in them and it's not all as good as what it used to be.
Definitely wants getting rid of it. If they should replace them at cost too the manufacture, I’d bet they soon get rid of it then 👍👍👍👍👍🙋♂️nice job
Yeah I agree!