Recall With and Without an E-Collar | Video 10 - recall training for a high prey drive dog.
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- In this video - video 10 in the recall training for a high prey drive dog series - I demonstrate what the e-collar - electric collar - MEANS to the dog when they are being trained to come when called.
As you will see, the E-collar MUST MEAN SOMETHING!! It cannot simply 'appear' to the dog simply as a result or consequence of the dog failing to recall during recall training. The e-collar MUST provide the dog with INFORMATION.
In this video, you will hear me talk again about POPA training - Point Of Perception and Adjustment training. When you think in terms of POPA as opposed to 'Low Level' or 'Working Level' for e-collar training, you will become far more comfortable with adjusting the levels of stimulation on accordance with what is required to effectively influence the behaviour of the dog.
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Thank you!
Jamie Penrith
Take the Lead Training.
jamie@taketheleadtraining.co.uk
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Recalls that put a smile on your face! I'll never forget the first time my dog understood the stim and came roaring back with a big body wag :-)
Agreed. The environment and distractions dictates what level is required. Of course different collars vary depending on the amount of levels. Very interesting Jamie. Thank you : )
I lost my dog for about 5 mins on a hiking trail today. She went after a deer and disappeared. Usually she is good with keeping me in her vision but today something snapped and I had no plan B. Needless to say I ordered an E Collar and have a trainer on standby to help me use it correctly. What a stunning recall I envy you!
Edit: I really do not expect much from my dog I want to allow her to be as much as safety will allow to be a dog. I hope I will never have to use the collar but it gives me peace of mind to know I can. I love her the most in this entire world and cannot risk harm to her.
Thanks again for this! Thoroughly enjoyed it. Really informative about POPA training which came in handy today with squirrels.
👏👏👏 xx
I also should add that my girl came running back with happy tail and so happy to receive praise 👏 x
Brilliant 🙌🙌
Great stuff Jamie, if anyone thinks this is shutting the dog down and making the dog worry when the next (shock) is coming then they should be a politician.
Great stuff Jamie, I have really enjoyed this series and learnt so much, while still having sh*tloads of questions… 👏🏻 🤔
Our Ozzy aspires to be as great at this stuff as your student/s, thank you for sharing your time with this gorgeous girl… ✅ 👍🏻
In response to your question :- do you use the stim before the whistle (when first training it) because the stim grabs her attention and through the whistle immediately after it, she learns to associate that stim with making a return to you? Then Later on in her training I presume the stim will be phased out and only used as a positive punisher should she fail to respond immediately to the recall - by which time she will already know that the action to follow that positive punisher is to return straight to you?
Great video! In answer to your question, could it be that the ecollar is the ‘nudge on the shoulder’ that tells her ‘oh, that’s me’ and the command or whistle let’s her know what you want her to do next? If that makes sense…
I agree with you Gaynor, that's how I use it.
You whistle or call as well as e collar because I assume eventually you pose out e collar
Jamie, are you not worried that they may run to or a dangerous dog may run to them and attack?
Hi Jamie del here first time commenting long time watcher of your channel... OK for me with the stim and the Whistle ..would you have Conditions the E colour and whistle first by using name .. stim with reward .. name stim with no reward...name no stum reward ..name no stim no reward ... done that say out your bk garden and when it is conditioned the out in to a different environment to reinforc the hole practice..would that be the way's you would have started on it ...🤔.. tks love the channel..
How do i use the collar. Do i give the come command then pear it with the collar.
Hi what Collar are you using, we got one from Calmshop and my Springer Spaniel just ignores it.
Hi mate hope all is good. What e collar are you using and were can I buy one ? Thank you
Hi Jamie - I've been using a vibrating collar and wondered, since the dog can notice the vibration, what's the advantage of the e collar.
Many dogs will find the stimulus of vibration too aversive, whereas others will care nothing for it. Most will rapidly desensitise to the initial surprise of it since it relies purely on ‘annoyance’ and nature ensures that most animals will override annoyance in order to carry out biologically essential behaviours such as predation, reproduction, eating, drinking etcetera. Electronic pulse is FAR more variable in both delivery and interpretation. Ranging from imperceptible, through novelty - mild annoyance - irritating - uncomfortable - briefly (likely though highly subjectively dependent) painful - to (again, subjectively dependent) highly startling events. These interpretations are of course subjective and vary across individuals and context compounds.
There are very valid instances where startling levels are absolutely necessary to break through competing motivations to ‘reach’ the animal and intentionally develop negative associations in order to secure the welfare of that and other animals.
This variability in stimulation and perception is not possible with a vibrating collar for many dogs.
Incredibly helpful, thanks
I find vibrate to be a "fixed" stim, far too much for most of my jacks. As Jamie touches on, using electric allows to regulate the stim, for the size of the dog and environment. As mentioned, the stim is used purely to get the desired behaviour. That way the dogs always return with a waggy tail!
8:50 how to find this level each time?
Which collar is it that you are using?
Can I ask of you are able to share the brand you would recommend purchasing?
If you email me, I’ll advise without looking ‘promotional’!
Jamie@taketheleadtraining.co.uk
Hi Jamie
Thinking of using e collar on my 26 month old spaniel who has started chasing hare and also not coming straight back on whistle. Now on a long line whilst on her first shoot season.
Would like to book a 1 2 1 and advise on e collar prevarication if needed.
Can you advise on how I arrange with you.
Cheers
Tony
Hi Tony.
Please can you drop an email to jamie@taketheleadtraining.co.uk
Thank you! 👍
@@JamiePenrithDogTraining email sent
You stim FIRST so as not to 'poison' your verbal recall cue?
'Trotting off' made me laugh. I always refer to a woodland run about like this as a 'romp'...it makes my son cringe, he says it's a dog walk not a swingers' party 🤣
Also, because the stim starts and THEN you call her, the reinforcement for her response is the pressure turning OFF not ON. Negative reinforcement of her turning and committing to coming.
Considering this but arent e collars banned in UK?
Not yet , they are in Wales.
@@aviduke thanks! Ordered mine today.
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Not yet but hopefully very soon
@@JazzyJADAxxx i really hope not because this collar is absolutely amazing! I can finally let my dog off leash with confidence!
Hi, I live in England and your in America I can’t get a collar like yours over here. You have Labrador’s beautiful ones but I have a dachshund 16 months but I would love him to be like your GORGEOUS DOGS.
He’s not in America! Buy e collars from Amazon
@@convidtruthshallout Thank you 🙏 for your help. Can we buy the remote collars on Amazon too?
@@paulinebackhouse4805 yes. But research how to use them properly before you put it on a dog. Look at previous videos on this dog on how to get to the point of use. The dog HAS TO UNDERSTAND THE COMMAND AND RESPOND to you before you use an e collar
@@convidtruthshallout Thank you for all your help 😍
When you say you won't say what level you're using because it's not important, that's inviting the non-professional to use too high a level surely? I am totally sure you never "fry" the dog because you know the limit.
Because you work from 0 upto level for your dog it's science but not rocket science
the level is not important because its the dogs response that is important. The level also changes depending on the dogs level of excitement and adrenaline. the level can go up or down in various situation. so that's why level is not important.