The Dip Functions | CPT Explained
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2024
- In this fourth episode of the CPT Explained series, we begin the explore the space that exists in between functions, and how these spaces can be 'dipped' into from any given access point.
Check out the rest of the series below:
Episode 1 - • The Cognitive Function...
Episode 2 - • Cognitive Function Pai...
Episode 3 - • Cognitive Function Att...
Thanks to Kiara Kerrick for the subtitles!
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Hi, I'm Harry, and I'm intensely passionate about personality typing and self-development - so much so that I have created my own Jung-inspired system, taking a more high-resolution look at the factors making up personality.
Through Cognitive Personality Theory I examine the underlying mechanisms behind cognition, and the means through which a single type can have limitless individual variation - I believe type itself is just a set of cognitive predispositions that can according to the needs of the situation be overcome.
I don't believe any type is limited in what they can achieve, but have noticed sensationalist attitudes and internet trends propagating a culture in which type-development is actively discouraged in favour of conforming to simplistic archetypes. Through CPT I hope to dispel various myths and oversimplifications of what constitutes personality type, and along the way encourage a healthier attitude towards type that allows a person to become not who they are told they are, but rather who they want to be.
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00:00 - What is a dip function?
05:44 - Se-Si, Se-Ne
06:23 - Ne-Ni, Ne-Se
07:07 - Si-Se, Si-Ni
07:58 - Ni-Ne, Ni-Si
09:11 - Inherent ambiversion
10:11 - Fe-Fi, Fe-Te
11:43 - Te-Ti, Te-Fe
13:18 - Fi-Fe, Fi-Ti
15:11 - Ti-Te, Ti-Fi
17:39 - Wrap-up
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Ni/Introverted Intuition - Broad & plethoric perception of internal world.
Ne/Extraverted Intuition - Broad & plethoric perception of external world.
Si/Introverted Sensing - Specific and concrete perception of internal world.
Se/Extraverted Sensing - Specific and concrete perception of external world.
Fi/Introverted Feeling - Subjective codec; internal emotional data & harmony.
Fe/Extraverted Feeling - Subjective codec; external emotional data & harmony.
Ti/Introverted Thinking - Objective codec; internal logical order.
Te/Extraverted Thinking - Objective codec; external logical order.
Lens - Perceives data.
Codec - Rationalises data.
Convergent - Positive, creative, enacting change and seeking novelty.
Divergent - Negative, authoritative, instilling consequence and driving utility.
For more clarification on terms see the CPT eBook!
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There is NO other system as accurate --> Keep up the amazing work, Harry! We all thank you! 😄
Thanks Matt, much obliged!
The healthier the person the more they dip.
It can often be so!
This system is quite intriguing... Rather than the ubiquitous orientation of isolating the functions for the sake of classification, it connects everything together in a way that is very flexible and allows for the coexistence of cognitive bias AND constant human change... A very very interesting take on the realm of cognitive functions. My deepest gratitude for your valuable insights!
I find it interesting how you expressed a "meditative state" as being highly extraverted in nature, I totally see how that makes sense but had never thought of it like that. Really nice to hear so many examples, pristine content!
The way you compared Fi and Fe was particularly eye-opening.
This is something I have found from my own (admittedly inconsistent of-late) practice! While meditation can definitely be used to focus introverted dialogue, the meditative state that allows for it employs external lens to clear internal perception :)
Cheers, I appreciate the kind words!
Yeah man me too. Brilliant really, well done mate.
2:40 so glad you said this. seems to be the very reason why people mistype so often. other type models lack the humanity and space for diversity of cognition yours has. it's also much easier to assimilate your theory with the broader scope of modern psychology than traditional type models.
love your work and i wish you luck moving forward with it. i'll certainly be following :)
Can we get an isfp v. infj video? Your description of the isfp in the isfp v. infp video was enlightening & elevated the isfp out of the “super emotional” + ““sensor””stigma/stereotype. I think a large swath of the self identified infjs would benefit.
Really appreciate the clarity of these video essays!
Completely agree with this; I won't mention names but many channels purporting to be INFJs are ISFP mistypes and no amount of reasoning will change their minds. I guess INFJ becomes somewhat of an archetype in behavioural terms although I'd hate to generalise to all ISFPs. I've met some fantastic ISFPs on the Facebook CPT group. I'm wandering if the more convergent ISFPs identify more with INFJ stereotypes as intuitive feelers. Need to take stock of my emotional contingency as it bothers me by far more than it should...I'm not even a cognitive INFJ but an ENFJ 😂
Hi Harry,
Just have to say, as you explain the CPT principles, it becomes extremely apparent how the interelational aspects of the system relate to inform a well developed whole. The (positvely) reductive understanding of cognitive functions along with their interactions, when viewed through CPT, are actually very straight forward and easy to understand, removing any sort of archetypal guess work on the part of the viewer/reader.
You nailed it, man. This video, especially, is a sort of key to orienting oneself to understanding how their own functions vacillates. Along with some of the other videos in the principle series, it has the potential to allow people to triangulate where they are in their own understanding of self.
Thank you for these words! CPT can seem overly complex initially, for some, but you're right in that the overall intended effect is a reduction to the simple essence of what each function entails. It's more of a long-game, eventually becoming wonderfully simple once a person has integrated said essences into their understanding.
Ah, vacillate - an apt term! That potential is what I hope to see realised :)
I've found this...as a person with a 'favouring' of Ti-Ni I was drawn to CPT for its complexity and dynamism and wanted to understand the system in its entirety...As I've progressed I've realised how cohesive and holistic and, simple it is when finally everything clicks into place. My typing skills have become much better as a result and as I know my own type now it's easier to see the discernible differences between myself and other people and how we differ/how similar we are. I'm so glad that we don't sit in our respective boxes as I thought I'd be stuck in Ti-Ni land forever when as comforting as it is, I'm leaning by far too heavily on one portion of my cognition...balance and integration are key!😊
As an INFP, I'm actually often questioning my own biases and am very aware of them, imo. I need the Ti dip to assure myself that I wasn't being biased when required.
My understanding of typology was getting stale, but the concepts in this video are refreshing it and giving me totally new ideas to chew on. I’ve been stuck in the 8 function hierarchical way of viewing things, but this shows how much interplay is happening between functions, even functions that are on opposite ends of the latter. The Fi enabling objectivity in Ti part blew my mind.
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very accurate system. I always noticed a sort of polyvalence between 1st & 8th functions. For instance, I've found many ESTJs who were very capable of having a good Fe behavior. This explanation sounds intuitively very right
Polyvalence - I had to look this up & found it very apt indeed! 😊
As an ENFJ, I've been deeply confused with traditional explanation of cognitive functions because according to it, I should struggle the most when it comes to activating Te. However, Iam highly responsible and constantly dip into Te whenever it comes to work. I find it so much harder to dip into Fi, Ne and Si, especially Fi and Si.
Ditto re Fi-Si+ (I'm a divergent ENFJ in CPT). The irony of being an ENFJ and struggling with my own sense of emotional contingency! I don't struggle with Ne however as a divergent subtype my Se is often suppressed in favour of Ne. Do you know what subtype you currently occupy? I haven't come across many ENFJs on the discord or the channel; I do on other forums although invariably many are mistypes (which goes for most types I guess). I'm very Te activated in work although at home it tends to fall by the waste side somewhat. I don't present as an Fe dominant stereotypically speaking for a multitude of reasons - I'm stuck in Ti-Ni mode much of the time although I'm looking to change this through coaching sessions. Anyway it's been lovely to come across a fellow ENFJ 😊
Good explanation. I find the Ne-Se dip easier to visualize than the Si-Ni dip.
Thanks Jared! Yes the Si-Ni dip, even though operating on the same principles, can be harder to visualise owing to the significantly more ethereal experience of the inner world.
We are constantly using all the cognitive functions at the same time. But with different band widths. Socionics measures the strength of these band widths on a scale of 1 to 4 (and distinquishes between the 4 prefered decision making functions vs. 4 the nonprefered decision making or shadow functions) in the 4D model. Check it out.
Nice! This would overlap nicely with the CPT radius - Si for example is never fully without Ni, but the latter function can fluctuate on a scale of magnitude and consciousness :)
I originally didn't give socionics enough credit, but having read on how INTPs interact with Fi, and with how the model functions in general, it's a pretty damn good one, imo. The stuff like visual typing is very observably wrong, but the function placement, and even body language has merit, imo.
I actually really like the perspective that when an IxTP gets MORE in touch with Fi, it allows them to sort through their own biases. That's what I've been trying to do, as of late, and for a while, I thought my presence of cognitive bias and subjectivity was dominant Fi, when it was really role Fi just fooling around with my Ti's desire for understanding and consistancy.
And if you don't mind me asking (I know I probably already ask too many questions,) but I, when I was younger, and to an extent in my current young-adult phase, I would always peer at my family in order to predict what reaction would be best, despite my own feelings in the matter. I either swing between this hyperaware and predictive phase and being hyperaware and completely out of my element. I've heard this s a sign of FeNe/NeFe from your ENTP vs INTP video. If this is classifiable, what would you peg this as?
Heya, I'm a cognitive ENFJ (divergent subtype) and get what you mean re dipping into Fi to sort out your own cognitive biases given that I'm in Ti-Ni land much of the time. I have to say it always feels like when I'm having an argument with my partner it always appears like I 'win' on account of me being able to formulate logically cohesive arguments whereas as an ESFP he struggles with the Ni-Ti pairing. It's like we're singing from a completely different hymn sheet and of course just because I'm more logical doesn't make me more rationale. I have to say (sorry going off on a tangent) that the relationship can be difficult to navigate for this reason but he does push me to dip into my Fi and indeed I've recognised that this is somewhat of a 'problem' for me. The irony being I'm aware of my own cognitive biases but admitting them is a different beast altogether. I have a good friend who's difficult to type between INTP and INFP owing to the extensive dip from Ti or Fi; I think she's an INFP with a particularly 'strong' Ti dip; in fact I wander how much of her own anxiety difficulties after resulted from immersing herself in this dip too much - I guess it's easier to rationalise our emotions in difficult times than simply to sit with them & explore them for what they are. I find myself with a lot of latent anger for past trauma which is difficult to just sit with & accept it for what it is - Ti doesn't want to unleash the beast lol
This video is EXACTLY why I dislike the Beebe model. As an Se dom, I actually use Ne quite a lot, and hardly in a “demonic destroy the world” fashion. This is far more accurate and in line with what I’ve observed in myself and in others.
17:00 I believe feeling is more basic than thinking, because all voluntary processes are driven by emotion.
Why is the dream world considered to be extroverted? What about lucid dreams, are they an extroverted world too? What about visualized thoughts in our mind? Where does the line go between introverted world and extroverted world? How do we actually define introverted world vs extroverted world?
By far you are the best youtuber or a driver in personality types. Cheers mate.
What an amazing work , thank you 🙏🏼
I am a newbie to personality typing. In trying to conceptualize a way to even think about the functions and processes, I fell upon the principles of photography, which I have studied and practiced for years. The element of the lens seemed especially helpful. I used the search term “lens” in conjunction with “personality type” in hopes that I could find an in-depth explanation. Your videos immediately came up, and I have found them very helpful. It has taken me several views of each to grasp the principles due to your speed of delivery and relative lack of concrete explanation. I am glad I have stuck with you, and appreciate your teaching.
Interesting example with the guitar idea! Have you ever considered doing a music specific personality type video? Maybe showing how various types express themselves in music?
Thanks dude! Hah I've actually wanted to do something like this for a while, but am still working on the theory element (don't want to oversimplify anywhere).
The Ti-Te dip is interesting. Basically first you have an idea/theory and than you confront it with reality.
The other way around is first analyse reality and than extrapolate ideas/theories from it. That would probably be Te-Ti dip.
Beautiful series and content in general. You helped me take some great steps in my typing journey, you made me understand the tpic enough to eliminate the INJ types, no more questions.
Realizing that I'm using divergent Ne-Fe and can get a grip on Ti-Te dips I'm just that much closer to be 100% sure in being INTP. I also realize I was giving my Fi dips (that can be scarily intense) way too much importance and it made me hesitate to let go of the idea of being an INFP.
Thank you!!
Ok I'm questioning my own type now...Wheew!
3:41 thanks
Meditation would be the state of awareness of both extroverted an introverted processes. By probably halting the more dominant functions, the more unconscious mechanism comes to the forefront, creating a state of balance which is not so focused on survival and hence have broader possibilities to realise... may be.
I find your Chanel very interesting though I am still in the initial phase of learning about CPT, I am an INTP and I am kinda hooked here for a while. Looking forward to more.
Cheers! I think meditation can absolutely facilitate focused introversion, but I would classify the awareness of external and somatic information that places one in a meditative state as purely extraverted, as there is no 'thought' taking place :)
Thank you for the Dip Functions video. I have a question for you Harry. Can you give a example of introverted thinking in the ISFP( I know their introverted thinking is connected to introverted sensing) and introverted feeling in the ISTP( Introverted feeling connected to introverted sensing) ? As always thank you for your insight and great material!
Thanks Kyle! ISFPs with a heavy Ti dip can actually appear very INFJ-like with a classic MBTI paradigm - the major tell apart here is, owing to the Fi doorway through which it is accessed, a logical style that is more 'attached' than 'detached'; when the ISFP's logic becomes more detached, it tends to echo the logical style of the INTP (Ti-Si) more than the INFJ (Ti-Ni). Think of someone speaking in symbolic universal truths, but zooming into details when concerning methodology.
ISTPs tend to have a fairly concrete and singular identity, and tend to experience emotions so accutely as to mistype as INFJ. A light dip can amount to an awareness of the identity guiding one's cogitations, whereas a heavy dip will be apparent when an ISTP has a sudden spark of inspiration from an Se authority, shifting their identity to accommodate new framework or skill acquisition.
can you make a "signs youre not an INTP" video? thank you for work, and bless you!
Sure thing!
What I find insanely interesting here is that there is hope that I will get along with, let's say orientational opposite codec types (if that makes sense). The more mature, the more willing they will be to dip. Fi -> Fe for instance. Also, explains how they can evolve as well rounded, more nuanced types.
I love your take on the mechanics of cognitive functions
8:31 I have a question, here you give an example of taking an internal idea into tangible reality, what makes it broad instead of focused and specific ? By that I mean why isn't it Ni into Se, when do we say the scope is broad versus focused ? I'll watch your videos on that but I still wanted to ask to apply to real life situations.
Thank you
I love your theory and the depth of your explanation. But it would be very, very nice if there were some visuals, schedules, bulletpoints. I need to rewatch some parts of the video 2 or 3 times to really understand what you're saying and I think some support could be helpful. Maybe I'm a tad slow...
Thanks a lot! I am working on my graphics and diagrams, and can definitely do more in the ways of bulletpoints. I'm always open to new suggestions for visuals!
Is it harder to dip into the opposing function (for ex., Fi into Ti) than it is to dip into the opposite orientation (for ex. Fi to Fe)?
The reason I ask is because, for example, INFPs and INTPs seem to have better Ni than Se, while still having Ne as their authority function. In that case, why is it easier for INFP/INTP to dip into Ni than it is to dip into Se?
It depends completely upon the position in the map - as a general rule, I would not say so, but I do find more conscious 'automated' dipping occurs between orientations than dips (perhaps simply because inclusion of external vs internal data is more consciously obvious than the nature of our thought processes) :)
The example you bring up is a pertinent example of the relevance of position - Se within the INFP and INTP is opposed by both Ne and Si, so the cognitive predisposition is very much *away* from said dip :) This is unlike Ni, which is practically a dormant auxiliary of the types (bypassed convergent-auxiliary).
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory Hey, that's a pretty cool explanation of the PoLR. It's barred by both, hero and parent, so you can't access it without getting in trouble. But, that should also banish the demon function, right? Do you have any ideas why that's not the case?
I mean, why is the 7th function in the stack weaker than the 8th?
@@dobromir6865 I would say its probably because you can access the eight with one dip from the dominant, and since the dominant is the most conscious, the eighth doesn't struggle as much since you're always somewhat using it in conjunction with the dominant.
Hey, Harry! I hope you are doing well. I absolutely love your channel and would like to thank you for your continuous contribution to the community.
I was wondering if you could ever sit down and discuss valid information resources that you recommend so that we may consult them to further understand CPT. Personally, I’m very interested in this and am doing my own research, but I’m no expert and would love to hear your opinion on the information that is out there.
Take care and thank you always!
Thanks so much, I appreciate the kind words :)
Ah, this is often a request I get from clients - I'll certainly consider putting a video together on further reading!
I think...you should write blog or book about your CPT model...and explain it neatly by pictures and videos ....
If your model is accurate and practical ... It would be groundbreaking moment in mbti community...as there are too much misinformation in this community...
Thank you! I have already written an eBook explaining the basics (link on the channel), but I'll be writing about dip functions and the more complex elements this year :)
Maybe he could team up with people of other types to effectively spread the word and appeal to many people. What precious and beneficial theories we got here.
hi
im and entp but the functions i use the most are Ne and Se (but Ne a little bit more). Can you tell me if it's possible for this to happen or am i wrong? (also if this is possible how does this manifests)
Hi, when I am trying to understand Ni, i often imagine a microscope. But you refer Ni as a broad lens directed internally. I don't know how powerful the lens can be(in terms of magnitude) am I misunderstanding ni for si?
Thanks for your great work!!
Hey, amazing video. Quick question, are the "unconscious" functions of a type truly always unconscious? For example, as an INTP (at least I think), I generally take in my overall surroundings first before zooming into individual details in the environment, which is what I assume is a Ne-Se dip. But when I'm zooming into these details, I'm often very much aware that I'm doing it. And for a Te Dom like an ENTJ, it's hard to imagine that their Ti internal dialogue would be "unconscious". If these functions aren't actually unconscious, why are they referred to as unconscious functions, and what are some of the main differences between how we use those functions compared to the ones in our main stack?
Thanks, and keep up the great work!
Probably a bit late but I guess it's called unconscious because it won't operate on its own, only through dipping or when the main functions are shut down, if that makes sense.
While watching this, I kept thinking about something you said in another video, about neuroplasticity. Not sure whether it's entirely relevant here, but I'm wondering whether it plays some role in function dipping, and maybe even individuation? (Of course, I'm not a neuroscientist by any stretch...just a thought!)
Ooh - just one other thing - will we be able to see/hear your new guitar technique (once you've perfected it) on your music channel? 😀
Ah, yes indeed! That in combination with greater cortical surface area :)
Hmm, there is currently nothing in the works employing the technique but I might fit it in within the next 6 months :D
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"Cortical surface area" - now that's something I'll have to look up! Thanks for yet another nugget of information!
.... So could consistent dipping be why, as an ENFP, I actually have a much stronger presence of Sensing use (both Si and Se, which I test having a strong unconscious presence)? I've had many try to counteract my typing as being secretly xSFP, because they rely solely on dichotomies and also don't realise the full cognitive stack is in use. But if I have a better grasp of SiSe than others, it could give this xSFP appearance?
I've had MOMENTS like this, an easy way to describe it is like I am so entirely lost in random thoughts, daydreams, past events and then reconstructing possible events off of these in my mind.... That I forget my AI toothbrush has a quadrant timing. 30 seconds each quadrant. And I'll often not even notice the buzz is about to go cause I've been so in my head, I'm not there. So I'll deliberately shut off my mental daydreamy functions and hyperfocus on the moment, which gives me clear sense of teeth brushing and allows me to do the whole thing in perfect timing. But this is an intense struggle and really doesn't work most of the time, I find it exhausting but it is possible.
One would potentially think that this is less common for xSFPs because mentally replaying events but then also CREATING random events whilst doing a tangible, concrete action is less likely according to leading cognitive uses.
But who knows. I'm consistently trapped in the am I aren't I regarding my type cause a lot factors in lol
So for example if I got consumed by thoughts about how some of the facts from a UA-cam video relates to me and then I go and watch a UA-cam video akin to that giving most of my attention in the moment to what is being said. Would that be primarily Fi + Si with the Si dipping into Se?
Also if I was anxious a about a situation for example a rollercoaster. And I was anxious due to one bad experience on one and was full of curiosity yet nervously worried that I'd hate it, would that be primarily an Si-Ni dip?
A Sounds like Te-(Ne)-Se working in tandem with Fi-Si - - Ti-Ni :)
B could be either/both Fi-Si or Fi-(Si)-Ni, depending upon how much you're playing out the experience absent relation to past events.
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory thank you for the reply. Very insightful :)
On the second one, Si is more of a background thing as I don't dwell on it, and the anticipation is the anxious foreground in the situation, works the same for excitable anticipation too :)
On the op system ISFP fits me snugg. But this really raw in depth explanation of the cognitive functions makes it seem a possible 4 types. Really interesting thanks :)
So,for example,for an ENTP It's easier to access his Blindspot function Fi from Ti that it is from Fe, whether for an INFJ is easier to access his Blindspot function Fi from Fe that it is from Ti.
Am I correct?
So this means that more often than not an ENTP will express Fi differently from an INFJ?
And does this differentiation comes from a place of need or just an inclination to?
What I mean by that,for example,an ENTP will more easily dip into his Fi function from Ti because he needs to check if there are biases in his Ti or because is just easier that accessing it from Fe?
And so,in this case
(Ti to Fi vs Fe to FI ),does Fi in ENTP contribute to results that are different from the results that Fi in INFJ help to "achieve"?
Thanks for the clarifications!
Oh,another doubt arised.
Is it easier (and therefore more common) to dip from the predominant function or from the weaker one?
For example,for an INFJ is it easier to dip to Ne from Ni or from Se?
I mean,yes,Se is divergent but it's also the function that is the least familiar to INFJs,does that mean that Ne is the most difficult function to access for INFJs?
Hi Harry. I'm very interested in your book. What content will I be able to find in there that is not in your UA-cam videos?
Cheers! The eBook goes much deeper into the foundations, and should be seen as a guide to the bedrock of the system. It is generally more MBTI-friendly, and does not go into type fluidity concepts for this reason.
I'd recommend the book to anyone interested in the essence of Jung's 'psychological types', but not to those who wish to explore type fluidity and proximity in more depth (that's book 2 material!) :)
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory Thanks. I will definitely get your eBook. When will your 2nd book be available?
If I am skinny dipping, what functions am I using?
VERY extroverted ones. 🙂
Hah! It depends entirely upon the reasoning.. A simple impulse could stem from Fi and engage with Te (either Ne or Se lens)
Hmm...I once jumped into Hampstead Heath pond in my underwear...but that was quite a few years before I'd been introduced to the concept of personality theory...or sobriety.
What do robots dip in salsa?
Microchips
Alright that one ain't bad.
Ha!
So I didn't quite follow the dip idea when you were communicating about the "magnetism" if an ENTP wants to dip into Fi you're saying it's "doubly as hard" due to Fe dragging it down and Ti pulling it back towards itself. Wouldn't this mean dipping into almost any functions outside of our stack would be very hard? Or is this only an issue for double deciders?
Ah, yes - the Ti within the ENTP is in authority position, so has a greater than usual pull. It is true Te is also opposed dually here, but Te acts as extension of authority function rather than counter to it :)
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory So it would be easier to go to Te than Fi you're saying?
@@NathanaelNaused For sure :)
Can I ask a stupid question? Is it fair to summarize the purpose of dip functions as validating (orientation) and cross-referencing (subjective / objective and abstract / concrete) functions?
Ahh, I would describe axial rotations as more validating, and dips more as means of extension and delegation.
Cross-referencing one side of a continuum to another certainly hits the nail on the head though!
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory Thank you... You definitely give me new frameworks to think about... Brain food. Very nutritious 😋
Hey harry what do you think about Daria Morgenforffer? INTP or INFP? I would say she is an INFP with a strong dipp Ti-Ni
I'd go with INTP or ISTJ for that one!
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory now that you say it it has way more sense to me since I'm an INTP and I can relate to her so much...
Thanks. Have a wonderful day :)
13:18 So, in essence, pure Fi would be akin to solipsism, as Fe would be akin to schizophrenia.
Fitting examples! The first one certainly fits, whereas I have seen a surface-level paradox whereby pure Fi can be either of these - the self is either contained within, or extrapolated across all existence. I'd differentiate between hyper Fe and this extrapolation in the sense that Fe is on the outside looking in, whereas the latter still stems from the self (mass-relation).
Fascinating...!
By your dip function model..
Can you explain ...how Fe-Te continuem gets manifested in INTJ...
Do you mean ....that INTJ can access Thier Blindspot Fe ...
I am confused
An INTJ can dip into Fe from both an Fi access point and a Te access point, but not both at the same time. The access point determines the 'tone' of a function.
An INTJ can very much access their blindspot, but the dominant position (from Fi) is more convergent, and thus less observational - thus, it is acted upon, but still not as effectively observed, and therefore relatively blind. Accessing Fe from Te (easier to do so after an axial/ESFP shift) is something I see INTJs do in short bursts all the time, when meeting new people etc.
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory interesting ....
So INTP can dip into Se from both Si access point and a Ne access point...
I Think accessing Blindspot function Se(in case of intp) is hard..
But at the same time ..I have seen some INTP utilizing Se very skillfully ...like learning martial arts ...
I think these theories are currently speculative ....
Personality is very complex thing ..
Our models try to map the multidimensional nature of personality ....but it will never be able to map it into any model ...
Cognitive Functions are NATURE of peoples...
But what about Nurture ...
3:42 "Just because you aren't aware of it doesn't mean it's not going on. Although I guess that applies universally as an existential principle..."
How to trigger solipsists
Or modern physicists getting trolled by particles portraying wave properties as long as they are unobserved lol
I. Nihilism:
1. Lack of an intrinsic value that would legitimize the existence
2. Skepticism
II. Dismantling nihilism:
1. The argument of intrinsic value is not a solid one because it would have had as final effect the lack of existence
2. The skepticism on which the argument of intrinsic value is based in relation to the positions of the opposition is also unfounded, since it is based on the premisse that its conclusion is legitimate.
3. The legitimacy of that conclusion, however, is illegitimate because, by that very attachment to its conclusion, it attests to the attribution of an intrinsic value to its own position, but at the same time vehemently opposing the position of the opposition. This, in fact, shows the intrinsic value of his own conclusion and the need to defend it against the attacks of the opposition.
3. Thus, since this skepticism is unfounded, we come to the conclusion that it is only a defense mechanism of the egotistical self, an emotion of the existence of the egotistical man. Thus, by recognizing the intrinsic value of something other than the false self, it would disintegrate into itself, since its entire logical system starts from the premise of lack of intrinsic value. However, through his own existence of the egotistical man, he contradicts himself only to defend his intrinsic egotistical value.
4. Through unbelief in the existence of an intrinsic value outside of the egotistical man, man believes himself to be like God, but at the same time denying the intrinsic value of His (and His creation), from which man took his existence.
III. Implementing a new strategy of abundance instead of the old and primitive one of survival:
1. In circumstances where the strong feeling of skepticism and nihilism persists, even on the basis of knowing one's own illegitimacy, it will gradually allow the attribution of intrinsic value to other elements of existence apart from the false self. Because, due to his own attribution of an exacerbated intrinsic value of the egotistical man and his position, he did not allow the attribution of this value to other elements.
Now that this root cause is now removed, the true self(and love) can emerge.
Notes:
1. The egotistical man, by attributing an intrinsic "exacerbated" value, does not allow the attribution of this value to other elements. This means that man assigns himself a "too high" value, when he, as a purely egotistical component, has a much lower value. However, when it recognizes the intrinsic value of other elements as well, it increases its intrinsic value exponentially, as it discovers that it is one with these elements.
The first has the effect of nihilism because he considers that the intrinsic value he attributes to himself is not enough, thus preventing the attribution of this intrinsic value outside of himself, so he can be the only one having intrinsic value, even if this attributed value is just an illusion of the false self, thus leading to a mentality of survival. But the second is abundance because its intrinsic value is multiplied by discovering its intrinsic connection with the other elements of existence.
Did we defeat Nietzsche and his minions ?!
It's still in progress, this is only the blueprint.
This is my philosophy. And this is usually my internal dialog which I need a lot of time to validate or invalidate(especially now in my depression) . And usually I just wait to come with more data, and only when I'm pretty sure, I make a cautious hyphotises from which I improve upon it. Te authority?
So based on this, am I INTJ or INFP, or other?
I was forced to do this, as I couldn't motivate myself to do anything because of the main argument of nihilism.
That's why I wanted to cooperate with you. Because we can both come up with interesting ideas and solutions.
So what kind of Ti framework is this, or which personality can came up with such a philosophy and framework?
I thought it may be the third INTJ dormant stance of Ni(Fi)Ti since I mentioned that's its harder for me to see my internal framework than before, and also because I don't feel anything
What do you think?
Note 1: This framework is based on a lot of my observations and some scientific data.
Note 2: So it seems that we came to similar conclusions.
Note 3: Every time I came with such an idea, I either think that's completely stupid or that it's good, but it still needs improvement. So what do you think?
Note 4: I also read Victor Gulenko profile on the INTp(INTJ) and among all the other profiles, I resonated the most with it. The other possibilities like INFj(INFP), INTj(INTP) and INFp(INFJ) being pretty far away from resonating with me.
Here is the profile:
www.the16types.info/vbulletin/content.php/286-INTp-The-Critic-Profile-by-Gulenko
INTp=INTJ profile
Too relatable... I relate the most to the INTp intuitive subtype as opposed to the logical subtype.
Also, here are his attachements style:
princeofseleucid.tumblr.com/post/137891672363/erotic-behavior-groups-socionics
Attachment styles
I relate the most with the victim one, followed by infantile one, and then aggressive.
Also, based on Dario Nardi description of Ne and Ni, I identified myself with Ni zen like state(before depression) or the conscious unconscious state. But now everything is all over the place and it seems that I relate more to Ne and with the Ne to Ni dip.
I have more reference points to share, but that is because you said before that you didn't see my Te authority. There we go, maybe you can see it more clearly...
Note 5: This is my internal dialog so it's more objective and serious in nature, than my external self that makes jokes and tries to loosen up when near close friends.
I will be waiting(impatientely) patiently for your response!!!
Also, after this can I became part of your team in the near future? That is only if you find it useful.
Also, I would like to keep my copyrights. Hope you are not offended by it.
However I can add an exception to that rule if we became best friends for life and we both cooperate on the same project... :)
Subtly blunt! This is how I filter my friends to get only compatible types...
Is this Ni-Fi trust and idealism?
Finally, hope you liked my book. If you didn't, no refunds are allowed... Muhahhahah.... :)
So what are your intrinsic values then? I don't think values and logic really walk hand in hand, and thus you can't really tackle nihilism through abstract logic.
@@anderpanders6210 Those values are attributed unconsciously more often than not. For me, it's a switch that it's more conscious(Fi convergent auxiliary possibly). And if something has a good logic and utility, then the switch turns on and it classifies it as being good. I can only see this process, but I can't have direct control or untill I let only the Ai to control it.
However, the false self assigns those values to things.
I will give you an example. If I see a girl, then based on her look and compatibility, I can make a value judgment if I should like her. Based on this, after a breakup between us, I feel as such a part of me was lost in the proccess. That's due to the fact that the false self identified itself with a value that this girl had. However, when that value turned against him, he no longer identified itself with it. But the pain was still present because even tho he didn't identified itself anymore with it, that value was from the beginning a part of him. His identification with it was just more of a recognition of this intrinsical connection with that value.
This is part of the human condition.
I think that the utility of this defense mechanism, that's the false self, it's pretty important to our human nature. But we can clearly see that's more of a system that turned against the administrator than an ally to be trusted.
So our job is to repair it and make it reliable. But we can only repair it after serious analysis of the system.
I hope that this makes sense.
I say this as someone with severe depression. That means that my ego is pretty strong since in such a case he just turtles up. And I can see the program that's running all over again, and I can also see his inefficiency in what he's doing.
@@anderpanders6210 Logic and values walk hand in hand. You can have the best logic for something, but untill you don't subscribe or attach yourself to that logic, you won't act on it.
We attribute if that logic has value and whether or not we should act on it. And we attribute those values based on our predispositions. That's why we shouldn't limit ourselves to one predisposition, logic, or view point, since everything has its place. We only need to discover the structure already established. We don't create it.
The false self assigns those values because he recognizes them as being the only things part of him. The other values are considered to not be part of him and as the enemy of his existence.
Thats were wars and hate came from. From this view of the egotistical(programmed) self. The opposite of this its love. Or demolishing those boundaries and eliminating the black and white thinking and seeing things as they trully are. Not as the false self wants to see them.
Now, when the false self sees everything as being a threat to him, he no longer identifies itself with those things. However, when he's in such a position were he has nothing to attach himself to, he then makes the effort to harmonize those values and integrate them in him. This is were suffering comes from. From the inflexibility of the false self.
So the false self adapts his logic and values based on his needs. Aren't humans said to be really adaptable to various environments?
So here's your connection between the two.
And also, don't forget that for example, certain psychologysts classify OCD as being a rational dilemma, not as something necessarily irrational.
So in short, when there's conflict, the false self sees this, and then it tries to harmonize things by recognizing them. Even tho at first he opposed them, but now he's survival is threatened and so he's obligated to adapt its logic to meet his needs in order to survive.
My depression cames from the shock of seeing those values and of not wanting to recognize or integrate them. But in order to survive, I'm forced to do it anyway.
@Serra Kerrick Glad you liked it. I also came to the conclusion that the high depression rates and regression of our society is due to this nihilistic philosophy that our modern society was built upon.
Also, the theistic final conclusion is made with an agnostic lens of thought. Basically, if God is real, then the truth should have emerged by itself. So that gave me free reign to make my own scientific research on this matter.
Also, damn! I thought that my philosophy is original, I suppose that I will need to work more on its originality...
@Serra Kerrick I still don't agree that I'm an INTP. I don't have Ti convergent:
www.typologycentral.com/forums/popular-culture-and-type/10076-david-bohm.html
I realize that maybe I can dip and are stronger at dipping at Fi from Ti 'cuz of religion (what I believe)...
You have to slow down when presenting something
Why can't I do that?