The timing of this in my life is spot on. I've been playing with these thoughts without really seeing the vantage point of what I've been looking for. Even reading snippets of this podcast still never added up, the first 5 mins of this video just clicked it all. When the students ready the teacher appears
Coming back to my favourite teacher at 3:50 am from India! Will go to sleep in the morning cause this podcast is really important than anything else in my life right now! 🙌😊
This came in the most perfect time. Just finished reading “Zero. The biography of a Dangerous idea” (by Charles Seife) and it aligns with how Zero and the infinite has obstructed and changed every aspect of our lives, Mathematics, Philosophy, Aerospace, physics etc. Thank you again Naval for this brilliant content!
This discussion is amazing. It reminded me of Ray Kurzweil's accelerating rate of change where it's difficult for us to imagine how innovations in science and engineering will increase the speed of innovation/change and many of the dire predictions will likely be solved sooner than the doom and gloom event.
Great episode as usual. I'd love it if we can see the speakers in video too in the future, because the content is so deep and philosophical and usually listening to it while commuting doesn't bring the max value.
By "YouSum Live" 00:00:30 Science as the driver of progress 00:01:20 Misconceptions about scientific principles 00:02:22 Impact of "The Beginning of Infinity" book 00:03:20 Transformative mental models from the book 00:04:00 Karl Popper's influence on scientific theory 00:04:44 Wide-ranging topics in "The Beginning of Infinity" 00:05:26 Importance of verifying principles independently 00:05:56 Brett Hall's podcast aiding in understanding 00:06:59 David Deutsch's worldview on reality and progress 00:11:11 Humans as universal explainers and problem solvers 00:14:32 People's role in shaping the universe through knowledge 00:15:18 Optimism through knowledge creation and progress 00:16:34 Value of knowledge residing in human understanding 00:17:15 Science evolving from reductionism to complexity theory 00:17:40 Importance of good explanations in science 00:18:03 Characteristics of a good explanation 00:19:17 Testability and falsifiability of theories 00:20:13 Precision and hard-to-vary nature of theories 00:21:26 Making risky and precise predictions 00:23:20 Continuous improvement in scientific knowledge 00:25:42 Fallibility of mathematics and human knowledge 00:27:00 Theoretical limits and contradictions in physics 00:34:16 Unification attempts between quantum theory and relativity 00:35:36 Best explanation: Emphasizing physics over pure mathematics 00:35:41 Physics vs. mathematics: Physics allows traversing infinite points 00:37:13 Bound by physics: Mathematical theorems constrained by physical laws 00:37:25 Computability in physics: Computable theorems depend on physical laws 00:38:44 Quantum theory: All physically possible events occur 00:39:00 Multiverse concept: Every possible event happens in different universes 00:41:21 Wave-particle duality: Particles exhibit wave-like behavior 00:48:18 Induction fallacy: Induction doesn't guarantee future outcomes 00:52:53 Creativity in science: Innovation stems from creative guesses and trials 00:53:49 Science relies on creativity, not mere extrapolation 00:54:11 Einstein emphasized curiosity and imagination for breakthroughs 00:54:32 Induction isn't the sole path to scientific discoveries 00:54:36 Good explanations are creative, testable, and hard to vary 00:57:30 Bayesianism useful for updating beliefs, not creating new knowledge 00:59:46 Science thrives on conjecture, creativity, and open-mindedness 01:03:25 Pessimism in academia contrasts with optimism in entrepreneurship 01:05:56 Rational optimism and creativity pave the way for progress By "YouSum Live"
I love your thinking and the words you choose to communicate. I think you forget arts when Talking about what drives us Forward. It arts and science IMO. It's our left and right Brain that is Moving us Forward
Brett is great. Surely David would have a long conversation with you as well? In a brief exchange about meditation with Sam Harris David had deep insights I've heard no where else. I'm sure you'd bring similar awesome stuff out of him too.
I remember reading Godel, Escher and Bach in my early twenties and that as someone with a very low level education. It took me a month to get through 40 pages and I was obsessed with the Mu puzzle. In the end it did make me end up becoming smarter since I could also read simple math logic and set theory symbols and understand them. I've had dozens of book in my bookshelf and when I moved out of my parents house GEB is the only book I took with me, I still have it and hopefully I wil finish it in my lifetime.
It also took me until my second reading before this book clicked, but I now consider it the single most transformative book I've ever read. And I also started with a love if science but doubted if I had the chops to be a physicist and instead went into engineering. I still have the passion for deeper physics though.
Naval is THE Entrepreneur/Business person I was desperately looking for to follow. I hope more commerce/economics enthusiasts follow him & realise that " Science is the engine of prosperity " no matter how much you defend your own stream. People, specially high school kids in India are very arrogant & ignorant. They just don't admit that they are taking the easier way out by choosing easier streams ( commerce, arts , civil services etc. ) Over Engineering/Medical/Physics/Mathematics/Biology. You will often hear them giving stupid arguments like " what good is finding integrals & trigonometric values gonna do to my life " ? Like wtf ? Do you even understand what SCIENCE actually is ? Thanks ( I'm an aspiring physicist/ well-rounded engineer ) Other streams are just wheels ( important ), BUT SCIENCE IS THE ENGINE OF PROSPERITY ( most important & impactful )
I agree with much of your saying, however , you can't say that commerce or arts or any other discipline is easy or hard.If it that were easy every other student would have emerged genius out of these field.every other finance guy would understand when will a particular price of stock go up?or everybody would have UNDERSTOOD how balance sheet works and what it states. Saying one field is easier than another is pointless. that is what I am trying to point out.Even accountancy, economics are another form of science or art.
Truly amazing video. I am grateful that I am subscribed naval. This particular podcast is a masterpiece, and that outro line was truly great. Additionally, I will definitely read this book. It will probably also enhance my university studies
Decided yesterday that I was going to properly commit to making the business I've been thinking about for the last 18 months. Was going to call it Infinity... I wonder if this is one of those signs...
Never delete this! This is the perfect introduction to Karl Popper / David Deutsch - critical rationalism / pro humanism. Naval and Brett really need to get onto joe Rogan together and get the ideas of The Beginning of Infinity to global audience.
Tech is tricky. For example old homes had woodstoves for heating. Now homes have minisplits. In winter one tree will fall and homes loss power for days. No mini split heat… pipes freeze and house is ruined!
14:40 - I hate this mindset so much, it leads to gross behavior. Humans ARE special. All life is special. Obv don't get too egocentric with this, but it's unhealthy to think humans are "nothing special".
With the title, I really thought they would have a theory of when or where infinity begins, which is something I have wondered forever, well, at least all my adult life, I read a book titled "Zero, the nothing that is" and I was hooked on infinity. The church really freaked out about zero and infinity, and Feyman just ignored it and collapsed his equations!! Is it just a CONCEPT that is not real??
Because it is not an easy read. And therefore is not a best seller. People are looking for 8 steps to a happy life... Not this is the scientific reason for optimism.
What is life time? How are we trading life time for money? How do we spend life time as well as money? What is progress? What is not progress? If mathematics can be not truth, humans live a short life. What is most likely the truth? Who decides? Who is most likely to commit wrong? What is wrong really?
@@felipe741 no Brett hall is different person he create podcast where he discuss David duetch's book the beginning of infinity and his other work I was asking to checkout that
Can anyone help me with game theories. Actually I Don't have any idea about game theories I even searched in google. But I am not sure which one to understand or which one is real. So can anyone help me with what is game theories and where to learn them from
Prisoners dilemma- if choices are limited which choice does one make if the decision or choice you make means that you win a little more and the other guy loses a little. Or you both get a better outcome. Try look up evolutionary stable strategies
The cycle of retroaction induced by the tawing of the permafrost will turn optimist into pessimist. Free market, entrepreneurs or optimism are irrelevant. Unfortunately.
The timing of this in my life is spot on. I've been playing with these thoughts without really seeing the vantage point of what I've been looking for. Even reading snippets of this podcast still never added up, the first 5 mins of this video just clicked it all. When the students ready the teacher appears
Good! Happy customer
Coming back to my favourite teacher at 3:50 am from India! Will go to sleep in the morning cause this podcast is really important than anything else in my life right now! 🙌😊
Your health is important too lol don't be an idiot
Me too, I am from Bangladesh
Yo same here. Let's all become tech billionaires
haha exactly me bhai! want to connect?
This came in the most perfect time.
Just finished reading “Zero. The biography of a Dangerous idea” (by Charles Seife) and it aligns with how Zero and the infinite has obstructed and changed every aspect of our lives, Mathematics, Philosophy, Aerospace, physics etc.
Thank you again Naval for this brilliant content!
Been meaning to read that one, love Bryan Johnsons concept of zeroth principles
@@isaacbarber2795 I prefer him in AC/DC BUT preferred Bon Scott and his theory of infinite blackout black holes
What a breath of fresh air Naval. I’ve been dying to listen to some new content from you.
This discussion is amazing. It reminded me of Ray Kurzweil's accelerating rate of change where it's difficult for us to imagine how innovations in science and engineering will increase the speed of innovation/change and many of the dire predictions will likely be solved sooner than the doom and gloom event.
Excited, gracias for this new content Naval
Pablo are you currently in China?
@@0113Naruto Ill never step foot in China. Y u ask that
@@PabloEscobar-cs9lu G
This podcast will challenge everything you have comprehended about the world, irrespective of your age and demography.
but who is he ?
Only if you can understand it.
@@wishfulpolymath if you are ready to understand*
This is music to my ears and that's an understatement.
Great episode as usual. I'd love it if we can see the speakers in video too in the future, because the content is so deep and philosophical and usually listening to it while commuting doesn't bring the max value.
Is a curved line on a sphere a straight line?
So good! Thank you Naval! I just made a video about you walking through London! Hopefully, I can do more with this content!
By "YouSum Live"
00:00:30 Science as the driver of progress
00:01:20 Misconceptions about scientific principles
00:02:22 Impact of "The Beginning of Infinity" book
00:03:20 Transformative mental models from the book
00:04:00 Karl Popper's influence on scientific theory
00:04:44 Wide-ranging topics in "The Beginning of Infinity"
00:05:26 Importance of verifying principles independently
00:05:56 Brett Hall's podcast aiding in understanding
00:06:59 David Deutsch's worldview on reality and progress
00:11:11 Humans as universal explainers and problem solvers
00:14:32 People's role in shaping the universe through knowledge
00:15:18 Optimism through knowledge creation and progress
00:16:34 Value of knowledge residing in human understanding
00:17:15 Science evolving from reductionism to complexity theory
00:17:40 Importance of good explanations in science
00:18:03 Characteristics of a good explanation
00:19:17 Testability and falsifiability of theories
00:20:13 Precision and hard-to-vary nature of theories
00:21:26 Making risky and precise predictions
00:23:20 Continuous improvement in scientific knowledge
00:25:42 Fallibility of mathematics and human knowledge
00:27:00 Theoretical limits and contradictions in physics
00:34:16 Unification attempts between quantum theory and relativity
00:35:36 Best explanation: Emphasizing physics over pure mathematics
00:35:41 Physics vs. mathematics: Physics allows traversing infinite points
00:37:13 Bound by physics: Mathematical theorems constrained by physical laws
00:37:25 Computability in physics: Computable theorems depend on physical laws
00:38:44 Quantum theory: All physically possible events occur
00:39:00 Multiverse concept: Every possible event happens in different universes
00:41:21 Wave-particle duality: Particles exhibit wave-like behavior
00:48:18 Induction fallacy: Induction doesn't guarantee future outcomes
00:52:53 Creativity in science: Innovation stems from creative guesses and trials
00:53:49 Science relies on creativity, not mere extrapolation
00:54:11 Einstein emphasized curiosity and imagination for breakthroughs
00:54:32 Induction isn't the sole path to scientific discoveries
00:54:36 Good explanations are creative, testable, and hard to vary
00:57:30 Bayesianism useful for updating beliefs, not creating new knowledge
00:59:46 Science thrives on conjecture, creativity, and open-mindedness
01:03:25 Pessimism in academia contrasts with optimism in entrepreneurship
01:05:56 Rational optimism and creativity pave the way for progress
By "YouSum Live"
I love your thinking and the words you choose to communicate. I think you forget arts when Talking about what drives us Forward. It arts and science IMO. It's our left and right Brain that is Moving us Forward
Last few minutes are pure gold.
Not trivial read that's for sure, 20% in. Thanks for recommending great books and for the deep thoughts
Brett is great. Surely David would have a long conversation with you as well? In a brief exchange about meditation with Sam Harris David had deep insights I've heard no where else. I'm sure you'd bring similar awesome stuff out of him too.
I remember reading Godel, Escher and Bach in my early twenties and that as someone with a very low level education. It took me a month to get through 40 pages and I was obsessed with the Mu puzzle. In the end it did make me end up becoming smarter since I could also read simple math logic and set theory symbols and understand them. I've had dozens of book in my bookshelf and when I moved out of my parents house GEB is the only book I took with me, I still have it and hopefully I wil finish it in my lifetime.
Pure gold. Great guest Naval!
It also took me until my second reading before this book clicked, but I now consider it the single most transformative book I've ever read.
And I also started with a love if science but doubted if I had the chops to be a physicist and instead went into engineering. I still have the passion for deeper physics though.
This one's gonna be good
Appreciate when people share this kind of information,very thankful
Naval is THE Entrepreneur/Business person I was desperately looking for to follow. I hope more commerce/economics enthusiasts follow him & realise that " Science is the engine of prosperity " no matter how much you defend your own stream. People, specially high school kids in India are very arrogant & ignorant. They just don't admit that they are taking the easier way out by choosing easier streams ( commerce, arts , civil services etc. ) Over Engineering/Medical/Physics/Mathematics/Biology.
You will often hear them giving stupid arguments like " what good is finding integrals & trigonometric values gonna do to my life " ? Like wtf ? Do you even understand what SCIENCE actually is ?
Thanks ( I'm an aspiring physicist/ well-rounded engineer )
Other streams are just wheels ( important ), BUT SCIENCE IS THE ENGINE OF PROSPERITY ( most important & impactful )
Are you a high school student ?
I agree with much of your saying, however , you can't say that commerce or arts or any other discipline is easy or hard.If it that were easy every other student would have emerged genius out of these field.every other finance guy would understand when will a particular price of stock go up?or everybody would have UNDERSTOOD how balance sheet works and what it states.
Saying one field is easier than another is pointless. that is what I am trying to point out.Even accountancy, economics are another form of science or art.
Truly amazing video. I am grateful that I am subscribed naval. This particular podcast is a masterpiece, and that outro line was truly great. Additionally, I will definitely read this book. It will probably also enhance my university studies
I am privileged to be one of 170000 human of our Planet that hear this Podcast.
I haven’t read the book yet.. this is brilliant! Well done to you both
This is on another level of thinking it’s way to advanced for me.
I've just started reading this book. It's mindblowing, I feel like I'm getting smarter with each page I'm reading.
I feel like it exposes my inadequacies :p.
But getting through it, along with tokcast to fully understand.
Decided yesterday that I was going to properly commit to making the business I've been thinking about for the last 18 months. Was going to call it Infinity... I wonder if this is one of those signs...
yes that's it
Brother. You're the one who makes it happen. Don't neglect it, build it up. Do it.
How is it going brother
Happy Teacher’s Day sir 🙏🏽💐
Never delete this! This is the perfect introduction to Karl Popper / David Deutsch - critical rationalism / pro humanism. Naval and Brett really need to get onto joe Rogan together and get the ideas of The Beginning of Infinity to global audience.
Let's start
This is my favorite Deutsch interview to date
Thanks a Million, Naval. 🙏
Tech is tricky. For example old homes had woodstoves for heating. Now homes have minisplits. In winter one tree will fall and homes loss power for days. No mini split heat… pipes freeze and house is ruined!
Saw the wormhole paper thing coming from a mile away 31:00
Deep mind people will appreciate it this podcast 🤙❤️
You're a superstar 🤟🙏
This video made my day
14:40 - I hate this mindset so much, it leads to gross behavior. Humans ARE special. All life is special. Obv don't get too egocentric with this, but it's unhealthy to think humans are "nothing special".
Yet some people use it to remind themselves that there gonna die sooner or later and they become either nihilistic or they put thing in perspective
AMAZING WORK
Your *perspective* is sooo refreshing
Innovation > Science. Breakthroughs and scientific approach/method a tool for Innovation
The beginning is the end and the end is the beginning.
With the title, I really thought they would have a theory of when or where infinity begins, which is something I have wondered forever, well, at least all my adult life, I read a book titled "Zero, the nothing that is" and I was hooked on infinity. The church really freaked out about zero and infinity, and Feyman just ignored it and collapsed his equations!! Is it just a CONCEPT that is not real??
This is a great episode, resonated with me and challenged most beliefs I've had in the past, thank you👏
37:00 is blowing my mind
Brett Hall is criminally underappreciated, as are the importance of David Deutsch and his writings..
1:06:09 so stay optimistic.
Thanks for sharing
This one is gold ! Thanks Naval for such an amazing podcast !!
Great podcast
Ahaaaa!!! I do have the book (The beginning of infinity) thanks to Naval but FINALLY its Podcast :D
Rainy Saturday morning here in Boston (:
lets go!
This sounds like an enormously powerful book. Why haven't I heard of this before?
Because it is not an easy read.
And therefore is not a best seller.
People are looking for 8 steps to a happy life...
Not this is the scientific reason for optimism.
It’s incredibly hard to understand the concepts within. Brett does a great job explaining them over dozens of multi-hour videos
Thanks Naval 😎
❤
What is life time?
How are we trading life time for money?
How do we spend life time as well as money?
What is progress? What is not progress?
If mathematics can be not truth, humans live a short life.
What is most likely the truth?
Who decides?
Who is most likely to commit wrong?
What is wrong really?
Solve Maths
Make deep connection which are not supposed to be connected.❤️❤️❤️❤️
Thank you for the content first heard about the beginning of infinity via Jason Silva and been mind blown by it 10 years later.
Watching...
It is depressingly unfortunate that "human progress" is more often about economic growth instead of personal and interpersonal happiness.
Bullshit
The search for "truth" and science maybe be like the illustration of naval and naval.
hello my friend good speaker and thanks 🙏
Naval is most precious diamond on the earth 🌍.
We want the video!
I could listen to this all day.
No kindle version available
Hold on I'm grabbing my popcorn and snacks let's gooo
I've only read 3 books in my life I tell you that Waldo never know where he's pop up next we didn't have the last 2 books tho
I had to watch some multiverse and time travel David Deutsch's old interviews and got back here and understands better!
Naval is a great name for some one who rose out of the San Fran docks
Which book is he referring to at about 8:40?
Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid
@@thatguy-dr3zc thank you
You can do anything in life , like earn a billion dollars because if it was not possible it would be a law of physics, what an idea 💡
Feeling First with 5 others
I fell asleep twice lol 3rd time to charm
Bookmark 33:25
Bookmark: 56:13
OMG Finally
WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT TOM CAMPELL BIG TOE?
53:47 someones read dark forest! Farmer vs marksmen theory yaaaaa
Nullius in verba
The begging good of knowldge
27:00
is multiverse theory testable and falsifiable? if not, how is that a good explanation by Naval's definition?
Im too stupid to understand wtf was just said. But I listen nonetheless.
The guest sounds a lot like IllimitableMan, anybody else recognize the voice?
Who? Brett Hall?
TellYourSonThis? That guy even has a voice?
He is Brett hall checkout his youtube channel
@@HarshSharma-dx1wi you mean the Twitter account (IllimitableMan / TellYourSonThis) is Brett Hall? How come nobody has ever mentioned it on Twitter?
@@felipe741 no Brett hall is different person he create podcast where he discuss David duetch's book the beginning of infinity and his other work I was asking to checkout that
I would thank the technology to be able to listen these great minds.. ❤ Now I'm optimistic about the future
STAY OPTIMISTIC!
Can anyone help me with game theories. Actually I Don't have any idea about game theories I even searched in google. But I am not sure which one to understand or which one is real. So can anyone help me with what is game theories and where to learn them from
Prisoners dilemma- if choices are limited which choice does one make if the decision or choice you make means that you win a little more and the other guy loses a little. Or you both get a better outcome. Try look up evolutionary stable strategies
@@jimihendrixx11 thank you brother. ❤️❤️❤️
❤🙏
?????Woah????
🤔
...uh, Cassandra was right..
I'm the 6th first lol
32:36
science doesn't tell you what's true, only what's false
35:08
The cycle of retroaction induced by the tawing of the permafrost will turn optimist into pessimist. Free market, entrepreneurs or optimism are irrelevant. Unfortunately.
Can someone articulate the books they have given reference to in this video soo many ;p
Basing fact in action is science
Science based on ideals is a religion. New age theories are just old age beliefs.