10 Levels Of THALL
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- Опубліковано 7 лют 2025
- Thall is one of my favorite genres, with bands like Vildhjarta/Humanity's Last Breath/Reflectiuons etc. So it's time for me to whip out my 8 string guitar, play some low-tuned Thall-y riffs and go through the (IMO) different levels of Thall, featuring lots of Drop E riffage (as well as possibly lower than that...). Hope you like it!
Did I miss any level? \o/
Gear used;
Legator N8FP
Focusrite Scarlett 18i20
Gear used for recording video;
Canon EOS 1200D
Gear used for recording audio;
Recorded, mixed and mastered in Reaper
GGD Modern and Massive
Submission Audio Djinnbass
Neural DSP Parallax
Neural DSP Archetype: Gojira
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Did I miss any level? \o/
Level 4 are not triplets. They are gallops
@theHoodie Actually, they _are_ triplets. (: Gallops would be if there were two sixteenth notes followed by an eighth note. That is not the case here!
@@DennisMartenssonOfficial wow you're right. I can hear it on a second listen. It initially sounded like gallops haha
Chugs (after open strings)
Weird noises: scratching, kill switch... (before the one below)
Whammy pedal (final boss, which you actually kinda did, but calling it "Whammy pedal level" is a must! )
level 0 buy an 8/9 string
Level 4 Destroys.
Sickest riff. More please.
Thanks a lot!
i think its a slight homage to vildhjarta's dagger
@@arockfloatinginspace4488 that ending breakdown
HLB - harm
In case anyone’s wondering, level 10 spells “THALL” in binary :)
Finally someone who understood it, haha : D
ASCII
😲
if you can't read binary like it's your mother tongue do you even thall?
Procedurally generated THALL soon?? :O
Haha, would be fun to do! Maybe I'll make time for it. (:
that would be awesome
Yes please!
Dude I’d have that shit on all the time
@@DennisMartenssonOfficial would absolutely love that
loooove the riffs my dude!! level 4 sounded like a cool ass mix between the ends of deceit and dagger by vildy
Thanks a lot!
Sometimes the youtube algorithm does it's job correctly, and brings you to videos like this.
I'm glad to hear! Thanks for watching! :D
Sometimes? Bro, UA-cam algorithm never works correctly and worse, it's by design to fail constantly and permanently.
You have to train it manually like Pokemon bro
So Thall Lvl. 9 is Meshuggah Lvl. 1, got it. By he way, your djent generator is freaking awesome.
Thanks!
The Djent Djenerator
these riffs high key fuck HARD
THALL
Glad you like it! : D
Udio generate better ones.
Ah ah I was about to comment, for the last level, that I know someone who.... and then I realized it is you :)
Hahaha : D
It gets crazy from level 6 ;)))
Going into level 6 hits hard, haha : D
Love the way you mixed this! Sounds great
level 12: write fast polyrhythmic heavy songs without using ai or music theory
Actually a very helpful video in understanding how thall is written
Thank you for the video!! To me, Level 8 is what defines the sound of Thall, or at least it's the sound that I really enjoy when listening to thall bands.
Thall.
Thanks! Yeah, I think we all got our own interpretation, for me, modern thall is much about ridiculously low-tuned guitars nowadays. But that's just me. (:
Thall.
@@DennisMartenssonOfficial Yeah. Also, computer generated thall??? It would be interesting how you would incorporate all these ideas in the video into a program that generates thall infinitely if you choose to do that kind of project.👀
@@DennisMartenssonOfficial That and the ambient layers!
1:43 funni dissonant tone there!!!!! Le epic as always!!!!
I’ve heard some people describe thall as super-meshuggah or even bizarro-djent and I feel like that fits!😂 the amount of influence from other metal genres in thall is crazy!
Always inspiring Dennis!
Really was waiting for some metalcore ending like in the video about djent. Also as i understood thall is djent but on 8 string.
Great job man, still tuning on your procedurely generated djent stream
Haha, would be fun, but I didn't want to repeat myself. : D Glad you like it!
Vildhjarta play on 7 strings and they quite literally coined the term "Thall". Funnily enough, Meshuggah (godfathers of djent) absolutely do use 8 strings though. Number of strings doesn't really matter though, Buster uses a baritone 6 for HLB, it's all in how you use it.
@@necrosis07 beginner here, pls tell me the difference between thall and djent?
Level 9 and 10 are my favorites, but I think employing all or most of these makes great djent. Thall you can eat buffet
"Thall you can eat buffet" I died, haha
And thanks! Glad you like it! : D
2:52 Having flashbacks to turning on my PS2 with no disc inserted.
Wait - no we good - nope hang on - umm yeah we good again - unbelievable- that tone ❤
Well I am going to get the 8 string out and have some fun - thanks heaps - really appreciate it and how it is explained how to Thal - you make it look a lot less complicated than it sounds - can’t wait to pick up the beast
Amazing Work !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! greetings from Colombia...
That Ai riff was wildly good
Level 7 made me feel things, im inspired to use my whammy pedal in thos application now.
That tone is so thick ugh
I’d love to see a tone breakdown
Thanks a lot!
I actually did a video on how I mix guitars a while ago here; ua-cam.com/video/22pksshX2Ew/v-deo.html
It's changed a tad bit since then, but it's mostly the same. (:
kadinja finally has a genre
How i get that tone on gojira🥲
Beautiful
Sounds like groove metal to me Definitely groovy
Some say Dennis Martensson created an algorithm, some say an algorithm created Dennis Martensson.
Brain go BRRRRRRR
BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
So sick and creative/talented. 🔥
Level 9 is so fucking THALL. Face is out
"Hey Beavis, this guy's pretty cool!"
its like hearing a new vildhjarta song
Glad you think so!
Great work
Love your guitar 🎸
Thanks a lot! : D
Love the vid man 💪🏻🔥
Thanks a lot!
Can’t stop watching this mate, about 60 of the views are mine hahaha
2:45 literały destroyed me.
nice
I'm not good on the guitar. But here I finally feel even a new born child can be felt. Just pluck the bass strings and call it "thall".
Would you ever consider releasing your presets? That level 9 tone is exactly what I've been trying to dial in with Gojira. Sick video!
Archetype gojira literally has the gojira tone as all the presets, you should give it a go
@@naashchaa I have gojira however I really like the sound of the level 9 in this video
I love it
Greets from Poland
Thanks! : D
Haha, I lost it at the Level 7: but also higher, at the same time
I really LOVE the videooo!!
One question , what string gauge do use for drop e on that guitar??
the lower, higher dynamic really does kick ass tho
Wooo. This is so awesome. Btw great tone and playing. I see u r not fucking around
Thanks a lot!
Great overview of the different techniques ;) I would love to know how you get that nice tone even with the 8 strings?
I have tried a lot of stuff like BiasFx e.g. and was not able to get a sound to my liking...
Maybe consider a video showing that in the future. Keep up the heavy lifting hehe.
PS: Ah and the code generated stuff is sick, I'm a software developer
Level 9 always my fav
Awesome!
This man is a Sith Lord 🔥🔥🔥
1:50 ok. This already has a horror vibe to it, but that sounds like a little girl screaming
How about procedurally generated thall? I think we need that at this point haha
Always be mindful of the video duration icon at the bottom right of your thumbnail. Text should be left aligned anyway.
As 6 turns into 7, we move from Currents to Darko
Yes
yep
Wow nice work! Is there some good software for #10 other than Djen? And can you please tell me the scale of your guitar? I like how it performs. Is that a legator?
2 questions here... 1) At what level of playing could one play this sort of stuff? I do not play, but manage a band and my guitar player doesn't care for this style. I personally do. I love how this sounds but I do not see a lot of guitar virtuoso people dipping into the style often. I actually have heard a lot of guitar teachers talking negatively about the style and technique but I would love all perspectives on that. Is there a reason for that? At what level of ability could one attempt this?
2) When you do the computer stuff; I did watch the video where you explain how you set this up. My question is, could this be considered machine learning? At what level of programming is the computer doing this? I would think there is a difference between an AI actually arranging sounds or it just being more random generating coding than anything.
Just curious. I find the computer stuff so damn fascinating. And because I do not play or read music I was curious about the level of talent one has to have to play in this style. Thanks, Dennis and fantastic work, man. I can only imagine the workshops that could be generated here with these concepts.
1) I'd say this style of music is.... Mostly easy. I mean, certain songs have challenging passenges though. It's hard to put a difficulty rating on an entire genre. But the stuff I play in the video is fairly easy, at least. (:
2) It is not machine learning, but procedural generation. A collection of handcrafted algorithms, essentially.
Thanks a lot for the kind words!
@@DennisMartenssonOfficial Right on. I will have to look up "procedural generation" to gain some more understanding. I might have 25 years in IT but some of this stuff is like jumping from basic algebra to quantum theory. Thanks for breaking that down for me. I wanted this prospective so I can understand this better from the typical 5 string guitar god style. I do not see a lot of those players talking about this style much and I feel like as far as metal goes, this is where the sound is going. It's comparing Dokken to say Within The Ruins or After the Burial. The gap wasn't so wide back in the Nu Metal days; where the 80s rockers were into the style but few transitioned into it. I am seeing the same thing here with those types of guitar players. I get why some do not want to change their sound and style but metal sort of demands that the sound must evolve, even if that means the level of difficulty goes up/down whenever it sees fit. That is sort of my feelings on that. Trying to keep it brief. I remember 80s bands would talk about Sevendust/Bullet for My Valentine, Avenged Sevenfold being the next big wave and they were. But you do not see these bands talk about the newer wave of Djent much or even the bands that came after it. Its almost like Djent is in its own thing and other genres just sort of shrug and move onto something else. IDK... Sorry for the long comment.
Level 11:
Legally change the ending of your last name with any of the following:
Sson
SSen
Qvist
Berg
Strom
Holm
lvl 7 made me somehow think of static x
xD but im only a casual listener illiterate in musics, so its probs just a vibe thing
¡Excelente video! 🎉
¿Qué bandas suenan así? Conozco muy poco de Thall y Djent y quisiera recomendaciones. Por favor. 🥺
"Vildhjarta" is pretty much the crowned king of Thall, but if you're more into Metalcore with these elements the band "Allt" is a good place to start
Lvl 7, Humanity's Last Breath perfect recipe :D
Haha : D
somebody pls explain to me how to make this sound on 7 level? What kind of intervals or chords is it?
those bends were inspired by Matheria band, have you listened it? the 2006 EP is amazing
Haven't listened to them actually! Need to check them out : D
Great stuff! Could you please go more in depth of polymeters, please?
Set a drum machine in 4/4 and play a riff in 6/4 over it til they both line up at the “one” of the same measure.
Edit: have the kick drum follow the guitar rhythm for extra djenty THALL goodness.
On level two, higher up the neck, what are those chords? Are they dissonant chords?
Are you happy with the stock pickups? I have a super old legator and I'm debating on changing the pickups or the tuners. The tuners are so sloppy and jumpy. I have way better guitars but I want to make my old legator kinda of a project guitar. My only issue with it is its so old that its only 26.5 scale. I wish it was 27 inch scale. 7 string. I got it when the company was only 1 or 2 years old.
I want a lvl 9 10 hours
The fact that Number 4 is about Triplets is giving me anxiety 🤣
I dont think he was actually playing triplets though... just galloping
I want making a math core guitar level
So what’s the main difference between Thall and Djent?
Niccce
Can you name some thall bands i should really check? I´m new to this genre :) thanks!
These riffs makes me want to eat steak while on high cholesterol
Must be one Djenty Playstation 2
Indeed!
Fucking brutal, man. Congratulations! What is the guitar tune and scale?
Thanks! The guitar is in Drop E and the scale is 28-26.5
Brvtal
Thvnks!
Thall!? Well that’s me learnt! Not mega djent then?
yeah polymeters...you have to point on that..most people don´t dig the difference
How does this bend that u put on ur strings is called? At the start of the head
Hrrm, unsure which part you mean, but in a few places here I use an automated pitch pedal, might by what you're hearing. (:
@@DennisMartenssonOfficial no no bro the thing that u put around the strings
This black thing
On the start of the neck of ur guitar
Level 3 is vildhjarta 100% but really good man
Thanks!
that feeling when you so used to polymeters and read "use polymeters.." and just can't find nothing odd and strange about this rythmic section.
I guess it's time for 7/11 now!
What exactly is thall
Yoooo this guitar tone is so epic, how can I do this in gojira?
I made a video of how I mix guitars here, might be helpful: ua-cam.com/video/22pksshX2Ew/v-deo.html
@@DennisMartenssonOfficial thank you
bro i need that level 10 djenerated music?is it actually djenerated?
Check out this playlist: ua-cam.com/play/PLfZBSwHpypjAf0FQjLqJDiu87zuXDqKil.html (:
No drop G's?
Halfway through was drop Z
That's too high for this music, haha
I'm newer to more hardcore gutiar playing, and I was wondering what you use to get your guitar tone?
Quad tracking + EQ before amp are two tricks I use. I made a more in-depth video of how I mix guitars here; ua-cam.com/video/22pksshX2Ew/v-deo.html
is this fractalize?
ok i need to get neural dsp gojira lol
It's a great plugin, for sure! : D
8 playable strings? i was knowing the 4 doubled
no thougts, head empty just T̴̨̨̡̨̛̙̥̞̪̟̹̩̺̬̙̖͎̪͎͇̯͚̦̀̀̍͗̅͑͑̂̃̿̎̉̈́̓́͛̿̒̐̀̂̂͗̀̽̾͋̌̈́̎̍̃̇̍̊̇͆͑͒͆͂̌̅̓͗̅̍̔̈̆̽̚̚͘͝͝͝͝͠͠͝ͅ ̸̨̺̠̟͉͍͉͎̰͔́̆̓̌̉͌̓̏̊͋̍͊͑̄̓̀̾̓̈́̍͛̏͊́̋̅̌͋̂̂̍̏̈́́̅̔͌̍͑̃̄̿̀̆̌̂͝͠H̶̨̤̝͙̓͒̏͛͜͠ ̴̡̢̛̛̹̠͕̲̬̙̖̭̫͓̼̤̫̝̺̞̥͎̱͓̦̘̥͚͙͇͈́̔̃̿̐͊̌͑͛͆̀͒͛̍̀́̈́͑̓̓̉͗́̉͒̆͗̓́͛͗̑̐̿͑̈́̏̑͐̋̃̈̈́͒̾͂̎̕͘͜͜͝͠͝͝͠͝A̸̛̛̺͎̠͖̖̠̲̯̩̤͕̠̲̓̀̌͑̃̂̈̄͊̃̌̉̒͌̿͐̏͒̃͒̃̈́́̓̅̽̀͛͆̇͒̊̈́͑̽͊́̂̆̇͒͐̑̆̿̆̓́͗͛̏͜͠͠͝͝ ̵̘͉̙̦̌̇͂̊̇͝͝L̵̡̢̧̡̢̢̛͍̺̪̝̘͉͕̹͉̲̜̙̪͓͓̫̗͚̣̩̳̜̟͓̮͎̘̥̻̩̅͐̿̿͐͋͋̋̔̐̊̊̂͐͊̅̓̆͑̀̎́͛̎̃͒̈̄̍͒̓͂̿̇͂̚͝͝͝͝ͅͅ ̸̢̡̨̛̞̖͚̪̟͎͉͓̬̯̤̜̼͈̩̙͓̮͉͚̼͔̳̠͖̥̝̟̰͈̝̿̽̇͐̔̂̄̄̎̌̑͐͌̌̈́̚̚L̷̨̛̛͈͓̱̗̻̦̟̣͈͎̦̞̮͕̮̙̲̦͍̰̻̯̠̙̙̜͚͚̤̯̝̗̜̲̓̌̂̓̌̐̉͆͋̊̃̎͐͐͛̀̅̾̐̓͐̏̓̃̓͗̃͌̏͊́͆̅̂̈́̈́̍͌̊̽̇̽͊̋̃͗̆̅̓̂̌͑̀̿̑͘̚̕͘͘͜͠͝
T̴̨̨̡̨̛̙̥̞̪̟̹̩̺̬̙̖͎̪͎͇̯͚̦̀̀̍͗̅͑͑̂̃̿̎̉̈́̓́͛̿̒̐̀̂̂͗̀̽̾͋̌̈́̎̍̃̇̍̊̇͆͑͒͆͂̌̅̓͗̅̍̔̈̆̽̚̚͘͝͝͝͝͠͠͝ͅ ̸̨̺̠̟͉͍͉͎̰͔́̆̓̌̉͌̓̏̊͋̍͊͑̄̓̀̾̓̈́̍͛̏͊́̋̅̌͋̂̂̍̏̈́́̅̔͌̍͑̃̄̿̀̆̌̂͝͠H̶̨̤̝͙̓͒̏͛͜͠ ̴̡̢̛̛̹̠͕̲̬̙̖̭̫͓̼̤̫̝̺̞̥͎̱͓̦̘̥͚͙͇͈́̔̃̿̐͊̌͑͛͆̀͒͛̍̀́̈́͑̓̓̉͗́̉͒̆͗̓́͛͗̑̐̿͑̈́̏̑͐̋̃̈̈́͒̾͂̎̕͘͜͜͝͠͝͝͠͝A̸̛̛̺͎̠͖̖̠̲̯̩̤͕̠̲̓̀̌͑̃̂̈̄͊̃̌̉̒͌̿͐̏͒̃͒̃̈́́̓̅̽̀͛͆̇͒̊̈́͑̽͊́̂̆̇͒͐̑̆̿̆̓́͗͛̏͜͠͠͝͝ ̵̘͉̙̦̌̇͂̊̇͝͝L̵̡̢̧̡̢̢̛͍̺̪̝̘͉͕̹͉̲̜̙̪͓͓̫̗͚̣̩̳̜̟͓̮͎̘̥̻̩̅͐̿̿͐͋͋̋̔̐̊̊̂͐͊̅̓̆͑̀̎́͛̎̃͒̈̄̍͒̓͂̿̇͂̚͝͝͝͝ͅͅ ̸̢̡̨̛̞̖͚̪̟͎͉͓̬̯̤̜̼͈̩̙͓̮͉͚̼͔̳̠͖̥̝̟̰͈̝̿̽̇͐̔̂̄̄̎̌̑͐͌̌̈́̚̚L̷̨̛̛͈͓̱̗̻̦̟̣͈͎̦̞̮͕̮̙̲̦͍̰̻̯̠̙̙̜͚͚̤̯̝̗̜̲̓̌̂̓̌̐̉͆͋̊̃̎͐͐͛̀̅̾̐̓͐̏̓̃̓͗̃͌̏͊́͆̅̂̈́̈́̍͌̊̽̇̽͊̋̃͗̆̅̓̂̌͑̀̿̑͘̚̕͘͘͜͠͝ is love T̴̨̨̡̨̛̙̥̞̪̟̹̩̺̬̙̖͎̪͎͇̯͚̦̀̀̍͗̅͑͑̂̃̿̎̉̈́̓́͛̿̒̐̀̂̂͗̀̽̾͋̌̈́̎̍̃̇̍̊̇͆͑͒͆͂̌̅̓͗̅̍̔̈̆̽̚̚͘͝͝͝͝͠͠͝ͅ ̸̨̺̠̟͉͍͉͎̰͔́̆̓̌̉͌̓̏̊͋̍͊͑̄̓̀̾̓̈́̍͛̏͊́̋̅̌͋̂̂̍̏̈́́̅̔͌̍͑̃̄̿̀̆̌̂͝͠H̶̨̤̝͙̓͒̏͛͜͠ ̴̡̢̛̛̹̠͕̲̬̙̖̭̫͓̼̤̫̝̺̞̥͎̱͓̦̘̥͚͙͇͈́̔̃̿̐͊̌͑͛͆̀͒͛̍̀́̈́͑̓̓̉͗́̉͒̆͗̓́͛͗̑̐̿͑̈́̏̑͐̋̃̈̈́͒̾͂̎̕͘͜͜͝͠͝͝͠͝A̸̛̛̺͎̠͖̖̠̲̯̩̤͕̠̲̓̀̌͑̃̂̈̄͊̃̌̉̒͌̿͐̏͒̃͒̃̈́́̓̅̽̀͛͆̇͒̊̈́͑̽͊́̂̆̇͒͐̑̆̿̆̓́͗͛̏͜͠͠͝͝ ̵̘͉̙̦̌̇͂̊̇͝͝L̵̡̢̧̡̢̢̛͍̺̪̝̘͉͕̹͉̲̜̙̪͓͓̫̗͚̣̩̳̜̟͓̮͎̘̥̻̩̅͐̿̿͐͋͋̋̔̐̊̊̂͐͊̅̓̆͑̀̎́͛̎̃͒̈̄̍͒̓͂̿̇͂̚͝͝͝͝ͅͅ ̸̢̡̨̛̞̖͚̪̟͎͉͓̬̯̤̜̼͈̩̙͓̮͉͚̼͔̳̠͖̥̝̟̰͈̝̿̽̇͐̔̂̄̄̎̌̑͐͌̌̈́̚̚L̷̨̛̛͈͓̱̗̻̦̟̣͈͎̦̞̮͕̮̙̲̦͍̰̻̯̠̙̙̜͚͚̤̯̝̗̜̲̓̌̂̓̌̐̉͆͋̊̃̎͐͐͛̀̅̾̐̓͐̏̓̃̓͗̃͌̏͊́͆̅̂̈́̈́̍͌̊̽̇̽͊̋̃͗̆̅̓̂̌͑̀̿̑͘̚̕͘͘͜͠͝ is life
What's the difference between thall and djent?
Thall is heavier I guess
Hard to put into words : D
I think Thall is a lot more spacious with atmosphere and longer patterns
I consider Thall "ugly" djent
@@subsume7904 all djent is beautiful
@@natewarner7576 I can see that. Djent on the side of periphery, and the side of meshuggah, are very different but both important
Are you happy with your Ninja?
My Ninja? x)
@@DennisMartenssonOfficial Isn't that a Legator Ninja?
legatorguitars.com/collections/ninja-1/products/2022-n8fp?variant=41301376958617
How do you make this tone?
I made a video about how I mix guitar here; ua-cam.com/video/22pksshX2Ew/v-deo.html (:
New here, wtf’s thrall?
Thall
At the time of posting this comment, there are 666 likes on the vid and I can't be the one to ruin it, so here's a "like" comment instead! Still wanting that 10hrs of procedural TH A L L ;)
guy made Djentborg
apparently forgot lvl 11 - mimicking a performance over a track
sorry to have disappointed you i'll do better
thall.
This is djust viking Djent
Soundcloud??????????????????????????????
Level Zero: Don't ever Thall.