Bill Cipher VS Discord IS NOT EVEN CLOSE...
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- Опубліковано 8 гру 2023
- due to high request today we power scale Bill Cipher VS Discord (Gravity Falls VS My Little Pony) by Death Battle and see what crazy shenanigans happen. I did my research and this one's a banger! go support @deathbattle :)
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The fact that Discord writes his letter explaining what happened to his friends at the beginning of the fight, which we see at the end of the battle, implies that he himself wasn't sure if he could actually beat Bill.
But that didn't matter. Killing Bill was secondary, so long as he could distract him long enough to get him out of their dimension and back into the Nightmare Realm, he had alredy won in his own way.
Its a great way to have both characters "win" without making either seem weak or stupid. Bill killed Discord, sure, but Discord got the last laugh.
Overall, this is arguibly the best Death Battle *ever*
Him sacrificing himself for others is the most Discord thing to do. The series finale had him fight three super charged villains with rocks because he lost his powers just to help his friends gain some time to gain a win
in a way; bill may have won the battle but lost the war.
As he said, Bill was going to learn an important lesson about friendship.
@@KingOfQuinnsnot really, bill didn’t learn Jack shit😂
Well Discord is the physical embodiment of the concept of chaos, so he can be reborn over time. It makes sense that he would rather go through death temporarily rather than let Cipher loose on the world.
You have to think. Discord is the first to screw over an opponent even when he lost. He trapped bill in his old 2d world because he sacrificed himself to save everyone. Bill is ego after all, well played discord
Didn't discord trap him back in the nightmare realm?
@@jasonalgoritz same difference. The effect is the same
to be fair Bill has been locked in another dimension before so he could potentially get back
AHEM... Chosen Undead VS Dragonborn. the world literally ended.
Bayonetta came close, but she wasn't doing it deliberately. The only reason Dante crossed her path is because he needed her - alive - and didn't realize either of these details until he'd accidentally implied he was there to kill her. He's going to figure it out eventually and presumably work out how to bring her back. I like that example because it suits both the franchise narratives: Bayonette acts on impulse due to enormous amounts of long plans and destiny ensuring her immediate impulses should be okay to follow, while Dante acts on impulse and often enough screws up majorly as a result but goes on to fix his mistakes.
And Discord will probably get back eventually. It's good to have friends on top of being hard to get rid of.
Bill won the Matchup and the Battle, But Discord won the War saving his Home and Friends from Bill's Chaos. Such amazing writing. Also the Track Slaps
Winning the war is irrelevant
What war are you talking about?
@@melvacaoyona-ollosa278 it's a saying "lost the fight, won the war" I think. War is just a fun way of calling it "the bigger picture" Bill won on a small scale(the fight) but Discord accomplished what he wanted to in the end, Saving his home and friends is a greater victory than winning the match-up, that victory is the metaphorical war in question
Hopefully that helps
@@melvacaoyona-ollosa278 Bill defeated Discord in the end, but Discord in turn trapped Bill. Effectively, Discord ultimately won. Especially since he will just reappear in Equestria. He's not dead forever, since he is the living embodiment of chaos. So long as there's chaos in the world, he will return.
@@melvacaoyona-ollosa278children need to read more books.
Fun fact: this battle was community chosen. Thus, some weird bits are inside jokes in the community, like Tai Lung being in the background and the people flying out of the portal in the fight. The Bill Cypher full names are even scrambled names of people in their discord.
Where can you see tai lung?
@gageshippy2256 During one of the analysts, there is a detective board, in which they are one of the photos, if I remember correctly. It's a reference to a prominent community member who goes by Biff Weed (they've a youtube channel) always putting Tai Lung hidden somewhere in their thumbnails, although nowadays I don't know if they stopped or its simply too hard to find.
@@kingofsoy2413 what's the timestamp?
This is technically a win for Discord as he can come back as long as enough chaos is generated, leaving Bill trapped
Yep, and he just get into bills mind again and snap it out of existence... Ending bill permanently
@@YwY-ct5yq Not really he already failed once you think Bill would let that happen again...
Yeah but the rules of death battle are whoever dies loose
Ever thought Bill got screwed in the end
He still was the only one that survived
@@Quakiestbut this time will be a one vs all with a discord that started play seriously
@@YwY-ct5yqno he didn't do that at all did you not watch the death battle at all, he trapped bill in his home dimension, bill killed Discord soul and they can both come back it's just a matter of who's going to be back first
The best part of this match is that Discord sacrificing himself to save everyone is 100% in-character.
Plus he'll eventually come back, while Bill is trapped forever.
A case of losing the battle, but winning a war. Plus him doing this as a way to troll the ever loving shit out of Bill is very in character.
Nah, he'll just take over a new universe
Bill isn’t trapped forever, he’ll be there for potentially billions of years, but he can still make a deal to escape, but ultimately speaking, Discord somewhat wins in this instance of coming back.
@@Okus477 exactly, it's more 'trapped until some idiot let's him out.'
I remember looking at this death battle and I remember seeing the letter near Fluttershy and I was wondering if he didn’t come back what did it say on it?
You gotta admit, the voice work they did for this fight was amazing. Both competitors had voices that were well on point. Especially Bill. Also the fun part of the breakdown is that you can see them writing in the background, purple for discord and of course yellow for Bill.
Keep in mind, Discord kept Bill at a stalemate, and possibly could have done so indefinitely despite making it all up on the fly, AND being distracted with an ulterior goal.
The fight itself was a secondary concern of his at best, because while the fight was ongoing, he used it as a distraction to construct an illusion of multiple layers across multiple dimensions, to not only maneuver Cypher back into the rift without him noticing and seal him there, but completely reconstruct, from scratch the entire MLP multiverse from the damage of Cypher's wierdmageddon, which of course includes untold countless numbers of resurrections. That was always Discord's goal from the beginning, as evidenced by the note he wrote before even starting the fight that Fluttershy found just as the rift sealed.
Cypher was fighting semi-seriously; Discord was fucking around to keep his attention, and making it up as he went along while his full attention was focused on being a literal creator deity beyond Cypher's gaze.
Lose the battle, win the war.
When Discord “dies” his Chaosreleam is still active and will regenerate Discord back to life but it takes a very very long time. Or he might left a copy of himself in the Chaosreleam.
I’m pretty sure if Discord dies the copy will too
@@DIEFORME173 Not really. It is unclear, but each copy seems to have their own sentience, since in one episode he says he needs an extra pair of eyes for preparing his home for a tea party, he summons a sort of "reasonable" friend version of himself to help him out. Not only that, multiverse also exists for Equestria, so there's no reason a new Discord with an identical background to the one that died can't simply pick up where he left off for Fluttershy
Yeah they said that he wouldn't stay dead, but it would take time and that it's unlikely that they'll resume the fight fast enough
@@ItsChevnotJeff It doesn’t really matter anyway Bill would just kill that Discord realistically anyway
@@tads8723 so it’s basically Scarlet Witch’s argument where she will come back eventually but we don’t know how long
I still liked the general fact this is arguably the few times where the winner gets screwed over as well.
Because this is definitely one of those situations of, "I may have lost, but I still get the last laugh."
The DB team cooked so hard this year, it's insane what they accomplished with these fights.
Crazy part is that the year isn't over yet
This season, especially the latter half has been nothing but bangers! Easily DB’s best season in my opinion.
This episode actually got made because of the fans. They held a poll to decide 2 match-ups and Bill vs Discord was the 2D choice.
I feel like even from the beginning of the battle, Discord probably knew he was a dead man walking, so instead of going for the kill. he spent the time taking bill for a joy ride and reseting equestria at the same time that's why he left them a note. And Bill has a tendency to get fixated on a task, so while he can see the future, he's not gonna use it more than to figure out how to kill the pest in front of him
I mean, Discord can't die either. So its only a temporary death. The moment there's some small chaos (like children arguing near him), he will just respawn. While Bill is trapped unless he finds someone to trick again. Hence why Bill won the fight, but Discord won the war.
@@jackjacques7495 Tf? No. We dont even know he will come back. Its only a possibility.
@@AE_15x who would win the zero point from Fortnite vs discord? I’d say the zero point
Discord could've used that time to go back in time and depower Bill by stopping the deal that made WA happen in the first place. Or set up the ritual that would've destroyed Bill.
@@wittytoaster discord is fodder
This Episode was PEAK DEATH BATTLE!
Nah, the last Goku vs Superman was the actual PEAK Death Battle.
This season was PEAK DEATH BATTLE!
This season basically is confirmation that this show has only gotten stronger
Damn nux's bias was showing😂
@@denobiskenechi1682 is it rlly any fun without bias?
19:50 because someone else being potentially more powerful and chaotic doesn't mean anything to him. He only lost his powers when he stopped being chaotic. Bill is a hyper powerful character that thrives in Chaos, Discord is the literal embodiment of it.
Where did Nux get the idea that if somebody is more chaotic than Discord can be, he fades out of existence?
I don’t think that’s in the canon
no bc i was yelling that im like your wrong!
Yeah, because Nux would rather make unfunny memey jokes than pay attention to what’s happening in the video.
He made that up out of nowhere.
@@jackjacques7495he makes many things up
I think he is mixing up discord fading away if HE isn't chaotic.
Love that I'm not the only one that can't hear discord without thinking of the living tombstone
i mean..the song is literaly about this Discord
@@silverstone9836 And the Living Tombstone song is actually a remix
@@silverstone9836 true
Discord went into this fight knowing he would lose. A little heart breaking to realize later but the animation, personality and ending to this death battle definitely is in my top 3
true he would know his own death
Yup cuz they nerfed discord
@@Badex_1313 they didn't
@@ew_figure im not gonna argue but i know that yes they did that's all don't reply to me anymore
This is one of Death Battle’s Pyrrhic Victories. Sure Bill won the battle but at what cost? His plans of weirdmageddon are foiled and he’s trapped in his old home for awhile until someone else makes a deal with him
its pretty much a certainty that someone will make a deal with him tho so its only a temporary loss for bill
@@toukoenriaze9870yea but Discord will never really be erased fully as long as there is chaos so...
I love the ending where Discord saves his friends by trapping Bill. Bill won the Death Battle, but Discord won the real battle. Such a nice way to end things, which I hope they do a little more often. Have the looser be the winner in a sense.
This is about as close to a tie as it gets. Discord died, but he saved his world from Bill. Bill killed Discord, but was sealed back into the nightmare realm.
Overall, I say Discord wins. He went into that fight knowing he might lose, so he made his main goal sealing Bill away, while taking every opportunity to kill him if possible.
Nuxanor has gone through some character development. At first, he criticized and disliked death battle, and now he watches it normally.
I mean, he still criticizes and dislikes it. He’s just doing it more regularly now. Which is incredibly annoying. He’s really only making these DB reactions so he can make fun of them. Which in my opinion is insanely pathetic.
I'm more curious about how he knows so much about MLP.
Unfortunately Discord wasn't able to wield the power of friendship in the fight since it was a 1v1, but that power will ensure he comes back to life later. Course if he was allowed to use the power of friendship all he had to do was sub in Pinkie at the end of the fight who's power over the 4th wall surpasses both of them.
This is literally one of Death Battles new Magnum Opus's
Now that we've opened up the pony pandora's box, I think Nux definitely needs to watch Deadpool vs. Pinkie Pie, just for the lulz.
This was the best battle win of them all. Both sides won in their own way, but one side still won the death battle. It shows proper respect to both sides in a great way and makes both sides of the fandom happy. If they keep this up they'll def redeem themselves over the mid seasons for sure.
Bill: I'M AN ALL SEEING GOD!!
Also bill: never sees he's being played, both in this and in canon.
This fight is a no contest.
In Discords favor.
Think about it. Both of them effectively have perfect knowledge about the other and godlike abilities within a reality, but Discord has free and easy access both for himself and others to cross dimensions where Bill is confined to them.
Snap, they're in a pocket dimension. Snap, the dimension no longer exists and Bill is deleted from reality.
Since this DB episode has such a good track, I'd actually love to see Nux go over the Death Battle tracks and rank them for a video.
Considering Nux hates DB and calls them cringe, I just want him as far away from it as possible.
@@muffetmissulena6540 Ever since his Scooby VS Courage reaction he has been able to appreciate DB and now he focuses more on the fight and animation of each episode he reacts to since then.
@@Hi-re8mtThat’s… actually very recent. Not sure if I can really stomach the rest of his reactions if I’m being honest, even in spite of his recent change of perspective.
And also, all those TNs of him being angry at the episodes makes me less inclined to view the reactions as well.
@@muffetmissulena6540 oh yeah, pre-Scooby VS Courage reactions of his are really bad still, but thankfully his mindset of DB has greatly changed. As for his thumbnails, yeah they are annoying but if that is the worst part of his recent DB reactions I don’t think it’s too bad. Plus it’s probably the easiest way for him to attract views.
@@Hi-re8mtWell, I guess I could give his post Scooby vs Courage reactions a chance (as apprehensive as I am about it).
You do realize that Discord still managed to screw over Bill even if he lost, right?
My Little Pony was always about friendship. Even when there were... Dragonball-esque fight scenes. Yeah, that happened. It only makes sense they'd befriend the unfriendable (is that a word?) and he'd just go along with it
Everything barring the verdict was peak.
Exactly I love this episode the verdict is glaringly incorrect but i can easily gloss over that because the episode is pure amazement.
No bill would win best episode of the season
I LOVE the voice acting in this they don't just sound like them but...SOUND like them ya know? They got the personality and the mannerisms too even having a kiddy charater like discord say "die" feels so in characters.
Maybe deep down Discord knew he had no chance of winning, so he at least made sure Bill wouldn’t get the last laugh.
I agree. This is one of my favorite death battles. They took a pair of reality warpers and reached a conclusion that, almost paradoxically, makes perfect sense.
(I'm also just a brony sap that loves how Discord preserved his friends' dimension at the cost of his life)
Can Bill destroy spirits? Because that's the biggest sticking point in this Death Battle. The only explanation they have is the "death" of Xyler and Craz, two characters that only exist because they're in a dreamscape. They are certainly *not* spirits, as they are only figments of Mabel's imagination. Beyond that, Bill has only once proven to be stronger than someone else in their own minds, and that's Blendin- and we have *no idea* why that is. He lost to Soos, Dipper, and Mabel once they learned they can use their imagination to boot Bill from Stan's mind, and Bill is unable to stop Stan even as both of their minds were being erased. The only thing he's seen doing with spirits is when he pulls Dipper's from his body, and it's heavily implied that the only reason he can do it is because Dipper unwittingly phrased a deal with Bill that made Dipper into a puppet for him.
Despite it being one of the best Death Battles, Discord should probably have been the one to win. There's no real explanation as to how Bill was able to remove Discord from his mind and seal him in place. I appreciate that despite everything, they kept both characters consistent with their canonical counterparts and they didn't just have Discord go without a fight.
I mean he was about destroy Mabel's and sooses soul before Dipper intervened besides Bill shown he does have manipulation of other people souls
Besides there no a easy way Bill reach Discord's Spirit, the guy tanked a deathly laser bream from King Sombra, you need more that a big chess piece to obliterate Discord body, and in the example provided his body wasnt destroy, was exiled from the school, that is whyt he came back in Spirit form, to troll, impliying Discord body being out of the School and the Spirit inside, is very obvious that he can be in 2 places at the same time, if is not exiled nothing stop Discord from regenerating his Physical form, Spirit Discord is same Strong that Normal Discord and has no relation to destroying him as concept, they calimed that Discord couldnt regenerate his spirit, maybe because no one hurt him in that state and the only reason he doesnt regenerate anything was beccause his body was exiled.
Bill needed to extract Discord Spirit directly and there no guarantee that destroying it would change anything.
@@Keith_NormanThose weren't they're souls those were mental projections. Remember what was "Jump into another person's dream" episode. In that same episode Bill shot a hole in Dipper's chest which dream Stan patched up in an instsnt.
@@bringiton4drago371 those weren't really their mental stats since its said multiple times that he's possessing your body sure they have to enter his mind but there's nothing to say that that wasn't their souls
@@Keith_Norman Those were in fact most likely they're mental selves. In the episode itself they state they are going into Stan's mind (even says it on the wiki if ya don't believe me). Mental selves (or whatever the time is) is separate from the Soul.
Besides DB got one small detail wrong about Bill's powers over souls. Bill has a weak form of soul manipulation. What I mean is even full power Bill needs to make a deal with a person before he can effect their soul. We are this whenever he appears. He always is tryna get someone to make a deal first
Discord canonically got that Fluttershy-ussy 😂😂
He wins
Bill Cipher was reborn here... AS NUX TAKU!! I'M ONTO YOU! YOU SHALL SUFFER FOR DECAFFEINATING COFFEE, YOU BASTARD!!
Death battle is over 10 year old. So many battles. Nux better have a list of battles to watch
Bill won the battle but lost the war
I've said it before and I'll say it again; this is easily my favorite Death Battle so far. Now I'm hoping the Berserk fan in Nux can be persuaded to watch Guts VS Dimitri.
While I enjoy the Death Battle and even probably one of my favorites for this whole season of absolute bangers, from what I have been informed of by others, they actually really undersold/misinterpreted Discord and he'd likely be able to get a very easy victory. I mean simply put, Discord has not only disappeared but reappeared by two people simply bickering and he'd likely be just as if not even more empowered by Weirdmaggedon than Bill due to the sheer amount of unbridled chaos he causes. It's like a fire god going against the primordial embodiment of fire whose empowered by even the faintest spark of heat. However I really enjoy the story in the fight and the how in character it is for both of them, plus the comedy is on point. The fourth wall breaks were cool, I enjoyed it since they did it in a manner distinct from their age old annoyance Deadpool. Part of me wants to see Nux watch the Deadpool battles now though
If you're saying this based on the opinions of others on a death battle episode, you'd best take them all with a pound of salt. Death Battles are so easy to argue about by people who are so prone to bias that there's rarely a point to arguing about who should have been the winner.
@@normalpeoplelikeme I trust the one who told me but I'm usually not gonna get hung up on who won or lost unless I feel a particular way about both of them. I honestly really enjoy this one regardless, probably a 10/10 episode. Maybe that'd change if I watch MLP and learned about Discord in depth on my own but that's neither here nor there.
THIS!!!
@@ricchardmartinez5153 thanks. I try to enjoy Death Battle without getting too hung up on the scaling. Usually it's like "I'll probably enjoy both characters about the same amount and watch them show off their repertoire." So I can't complain since at least it works. There have been some cases I wanted one to win over the other and got disappointed but I can usually enjoy it regardless.
Yeah discord should’ve won but this was a great episode regardless !
I remember the bill statue, it was a whole arg that lead you to a set of coordinates which was where the statue was, though i dont think they were legally allowed to leave it there so it was removed
This is one of the best fights Death Battle has made in terms of plot and animation
2:34
this is probably a reference to the fandom putting Tai Lung in the most batshit insane and weird matchups possible-
"The fandom" or just one reactor?
@@BJGvideos a good chunk of the fandom lol. It’s just so small a fandom that it’s mostly just a select few people who are actually known for it.
@@MiiRailgunner that's odd I just know the one guy
Is no one gonna talk about when you pause at the scene when discord his bill as a ghost he actually flips him off
That was gold😂
Nux: I feel this is super close
The thumbnail: it's not even close
The thumbnail doesn't even say that tf are you huffing? 😂😂😂
@@21HandgunsThe title does tho.
@@amirfroggie8370 title, yes. Thumbnail,no
I'ma be honest I don't even know I'm still recovering from adventure time
You can imagine my surprise when I found out this wasn't gonna be a death battle between two messaging boards/social media platforms, but instead a little triangle and a demonic horse... 😅
The saddest part was Fluttershy calling out to Discord! My heart was destroyed when I first saw that! 😭
Now that Death battle was cute and fun! really well done just wish maybe the fight scene was a tad bit longer but this was a really good on!!❤🔥
I like that you're having more fun with these Nux.
Tbh Bill is neither more chaotic or would be giddy about this fight. Bill has one of the most easily annoyed egos I've ever seen. He's constantly losing his mind and having tantrums like a godlike child, DB was pretty spot on in terms of his character
Discord knew Bill could kill him, but not without still losing.
This episode has to be by far the most EPIC death battle of them all, even though its not a draw, it was beautifully written for how it would’ve gone and it was executed perfectly
I’ve been waiting for this, can’t wait to see your reaction
The thing is, even though they are fighting here, I think they'd actually be pretty good friends if they weren't. Just two chatotic creatures causing chaos in universes together.
I think that's why they started it off by showing Bill trapping fluttershy
nah. thei idea of chaos is very different.
discord like to distort and change things in humorous and strange ways. he likes attention too. he likes to lord his power over others but isn't inherently cruel by nature, jut a troll.
bill cuypher is a degenreate sociopath that lords how much torment he can inflct upon other and revels in it.
“I’m more chaotic than you bill” spoken with all the confidence of that one image of a pug wearing the daredevil mask
Best part of this deathbattle is this battle is one that even with this result, you can argue with both winning still. It came down to personality. And even then, you could argue both parts going for the kill.
4:17: EXACTLY! THANK YOU! WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP SAYING I'M GENOCIDAL? I JUST WANNA PARTY! (-()
They did really well, but I think this fight would be a forever fight, without end, personally.
"You can't defeat something that doesn't exist."
Lobo from DC Comics would like a word with you, Nux.
While I agree Bill would win the battle, I think they intentionally misinterpreted things about Discord. We know he can vanish if he himself stops being chaotic, but that doean't mean others can destroy his spirit. They also assumed he comes back as a spirit if his body is "destroyed", and used the Starlight episode as evidence...but at the end of the episode he (or the writer) confirmed he did the whole ghost thing on purpose for fun. His body wasn't actually deatroyed, he was pretending.
To be fair, there were some theories once that King from the Owl House is a reincarnation of Bill. He's got the same voice, he's 8 years old in a show that takes place 8 years after Gravity Falls within the same multiverse, he's in the body of a creature that (with enough time) will receive godlike powers, and King's also a bit of a chaotic gremlin himself.
Interesting
Owl house was cringe
@@IMMA_MINER I've never watched owl house all i know is there's whats basically a sentient door and that one fella named king
@@Portal2Fan1234 Main protagonist goes through a portal to another dimension, which is basically a PG version of Hell called the Demon Realm, with the majority of the show taking place on the island sized carcass of a dead god. It also takes a lot of tropes and nopes them.
@@maximvandepoll3008 also has one of the bset executed gay relationships i've ever seen. by essentailly making it cute and dorkey as two character slowly fall for each other.
20:46: That's because Bill is getting serious and focusing on the fight.
Death Battle actually got several things about both Discord and Bill and their powers wrong. Truthfully, Discord should have had this battle in the bag. Bill's reality warping powers aren't on par with Discord's, and he faces far more restrictions and limits on his powers than Discord does, who can do several things that Bill either can't or require additional outside power sources to match. Even the way they had Bill defeat Discord was circumstantials, as Discord didn't to revert to a ghost form (he never died), they just made him do it just because. BTW, I'm saying this as someone who likes Bill a LOT more than Discord.
Plus unicorn hair can apparently stop Bill Cypher is a small way similar to forcefields made by the ponies. I'm sure discord has a fuck ton of them lol.
@@animesenpai1163Remember, unicorn hair is only one part of the ingredient
@@fabriceghazi2118 Discord says "I've seen your show" so I'm pretty sure he knows, and can just pop up the book itself.
@@animesenpai1163 And this is why reality warping characters are sometimes a headache when you are participating in the vs discussion because, it is pretty tricky to say what's fair and what's not. Yeah Discord probably can replicate the same spell as it's literally "Unicorn Spell", but to replicate something very specific in a different show and settings unlike something very simple as mind erase, idk, feels very cheap
eeh have to disagree a bit.
discord powers can only alter and warp things, he isn't a destroyuer. bill can destroy easily. but effectively discord is an elemental being.
Fun fact: this episode wasn't chosen by the team. They let the fans vote for an episode and the fans chose this
This battle definitely got all the budget. They managed to knock it out of the park with this one.
I wish I could see Nux's webcam so I can see him smiling from ear to ear with this awesome fight! 😁
I love the end when bill says “let me out or I’ll eat your dreams!” Out of no where, cracked me up.
I think we can safely file this under "Pyrrhic Victory." Won the battle, but lost the war, y'know.
That is not what a Pyrrhic victory is. A Pyrrhic victory is a victory in battle with heavy losses on your side that does not make the victory worth it. Pyrrhus of Epirus, who is the namesake of the term won battles with losses that made him unable to continue fighting the Romans, but it was the Romans who needed to deal the last blow by actually winning a battle that allowed them to take over the remaining parts of the Italian Peninsula. You could still technically win a war with Pyrrhic victories if you achieve all the main objectives, for instance the American Civil War where the Union suffered many defeats and victories with heavy losses, but still achieved victory over the south by outlasting their forces and achieving all their war goals.
@AnasSaahirHuq-or9bv Then, by the actual definition, Discord would be the one who won a Pyrrhic Victory, since he paid the greatest price to ultimately succeed at his goal.
I always understood the statue thing as “the events of Gravity Falls happened in our real world”
Is not even close, for Bill, they had to invent a weakness for Discord, we are prettending that destroying Discord "Spirit" is the same that destroying his "soul" or even destroying him as a concept, the example they provide didnt even work like that, Discord body was exiled from the school, not destroyed, that is why he came back as a Ghost, implying that his body is over there in some part of Equestria, meaning that Discord Ghost and body can be is 2 parts at the same time, which is not that crazy because Discord showed already having multiple bodies at the same time.
And in a top of that we are prettending that Bill have Soul regeneretion when the set up was in a dream, so, Dipper have soul regeneration too? He regenerated too in that example, Why we are implying that is soul manipulation instead of dream manipulation? The only beigns Bill destroyed inside Stan Mind was fictional characters from Mabel dreams, not real people.
Prettinding Bill having Soul Manipulation and regeneration is very obvious right? But pretending Discord could regenerate his spirit is too crazy? He could just regenerate his physical form whenever he want, in the MLP episode he doesn't because his body was exiled from the shcool.
The real Discord Weakness are power stealing abilites, the elements of harmony, and exile powers (Which should be strong enought to exile more that just his physical form), I don't see Bill with access to any of that.
The more boring one would be forcing Discord be normal, which is the more effective one agaisnt Discord, but doesnt work in this set up, because weirdmageddon would prevent Discord from disappearing.
Another dumb thing they compare the capabilities of the Unicorn Hair with the Grogar Bewitching Bell, which obviously are not at the same level, we are comparing a Shield which passive feat is stealing powers from a cursed totem, not even a monster or Bill Minion, with Grogar Bell which has the feat of stealing powers of beigns at the level of Discord and the princesses, the Bell was the only Bill wincon, because he could stole it from Discord and using agaisnt him.
We could claim that Bill can resist power stealing from Grogar Bewithcing Bell if you wish, but there is not information of Bill having that resistance at that level.
Discord in the other side, could Teleport Bill to somewhere else, like in the fight, or hitting Bill with a move of the same level of the Quantum destabilizer, which is claiming strong enough to defeating Bill, Discord could forced Bill inside of the mind of one of his clones and destroying himself.
Bill weaknesses are very clear and in more disposition to Discord exploit it.
Yeeeaaaaah, for everyone else's current outlooks on such, I knew something was still off when looking at it from a much more deeper angle. Though you have to admit, Shrodingers Physiology that Bill has alone is tricky intially (amongst other abilities that can cause a potential struggle), Discord can still get as complicated as you mentioned (not every ability of his was taken into account too if I recall)...
If anything, the whole "Not even close" aspect is ironic for Cosmic beings, as this time it's rather closer then it seems...
*(Sighs)* Unfortunately, not everyone here will even try to look at such from different angles and think it's all confidently decided, Death Battle will unfortunately get the bigger influence of people on this verdict, though *THANKFULLY* there will be people who point out these conundrums. I hate seeing your comment plugged into the shadow realm and goes unappreciated despite some truth being in it (even if we get some wrong, I know how it feels anyways) so here's a like...
No need to read or explain all that. Two simple things you need to know
1. The bewitching Bell works in ANY magical being no matter what. If it worked on discord it will work on bill
2. Bill can't harm a soul. The episode they were using was in the dream realm where everyone had a mental projection. If they were soul then Dipper would be dead
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS WHOLE TIME.
They even dug through the trash just to say that Bill can eliminate souls and regenerate his own, even though the guy doesn't even have Conceptual Manipulation to affect Discord.
Also, they compared the Empowerment of both and said that they cancel each other out.
It doesn't make sense, Bill's Empowerment isn't even close to Discord's, Bill was gaining power for many days since Weirdmageddon had started and yet he was still hurt by physical objects and received a beating from Shacktron.
While Discord with just a little chaos freed himself from the prison of the Elements of Harmony, and even, at the time where he was imprisoned, he could cause enough chaos to the point that he became unstoppable even when he was turned into stone.
Even if they were right and their Empowerment has the same power, their logic still fails, because Discord would be being empowered by his own chaos and the chaos of Bill's Weirdmageddon, gaining MUCH MORE power, and if all that fails, he only has to go to Chaosville and replenish his energy to continue the battle.
And well, I won't mention the fact that they were belittling Discord's abilities, to the point where they said Discord's Plot Manipulation wouldn't work against Bill, or that Discord couldn't just manipulate Bill's mind. They even said that Bill with his Precognition could anticipate Discord, even though Discord is immune to precognition since his power does not follow the laws of cause and effect and they do not follow any logic. They were also exaggerating Bill's "omniscience" and knowledge, being that in the series he was shown to have very stupid attitudes and decisions, and Discord also has omniscience and precognition due to all the control he has over space-time and has access to damn plot.
I loved this episode of Death Battle, but they didn't research Discord's power very well, otherwise they would know that he has a clone of himself in his own dimension, so if Discord dies, he simply has to pass his consciousness to the clone. In that case, the real winner of the Death Battle should have been Discord by BFRing Bill to the Nightmare Realm and having a spare Discord in Chaosville.
And comparing the Unicorn Hair Shield with the Bewitching Bell was really silly since the Unicorn Hair only reverses the effects of Weirdmageddon's rarity and is not a real power nullifier, while the Bewitching Bell is an object that It serves to absorb the magic and power of others like Discord and the Princesses, and Discord, Celestia and Luna have previously shown feats of resistance to the nullification, so the Bewitching Bell like other artifacts of Equestria can ignore this resistance.
The only thing the unicorn hair did was neutralize a random totem
@@SrNobodyoh I agree fully with but here's my take on it discord is definitely more powerful but plot wise for this battle I believe discord was more having fun with bill than anything else and when he had his fun he imprisoned him to wait till the next time he breaks free and they can go at it again seems very in charter to me for discord because he really not into killing.
Only DIO vs Alucard and Saitama Vs Popeye come close to this episode love it so much.
nah dio vs alucard was horse shit.
alucard could easily kill dio. the stand shit is essentially only magic cna defeat magic......... and alucard is magic.
@@taddad2641 That doesn't make sense. DIO does win look up the blogs that came out around the same time. Alucard and his arguments are magic.
I waited so long for this
As a Massive Death Battle fan (who doesn’t mind your react content to DB), here are some recommendations of Death Battles you have not seen yet. My personal favorites that I think you would like
Guts Vs Dimitri
Darth Vader Vs Obito
Obi-Wan vs Kakashi
Sauron Vs Lich King
Harley Quinn Vs Jinx
DIO Vs Alucard
Goku Black vs Reverse Flash
Solid Snake vs Sam Fisher
Ganondorf Vs Dracula
Saitama Vs Popeye
Samurai Jack Vs Afro Samurai
And (potentially) Glactus Vs Unicron when it releases in 2ish weeks
Obviously there are more, but this is a good list of both Peak DB content and battles I think you would have at least a decent interest in. I think it’s cool you do your research beforehand so Keep up the good content
Fun detail. Discord can clone himself, and therefore could have survived this offscreen.
11:00 "Here, bro! That's the whole statue thing!" Nux doesn't know the definition of 'reincarnation.'
This is a greatest death battle ever, I also want to request a another battle. Between Stitch VS Rocket Racoon, or my personal favorite Steven Universe VS Star Butterfly
When Nax said he's not laughing enough. Nah Bill get serious if he thinks they can be a problem.
Listen to the music by itself. It’s just them roasting each other.
Best part of this battle, that both of those Chaotic Gods won and lost at the same time. And both results(Discord`s death and Bill`s imprisonment) are temporary.
They did Discord dirty here. Literally Discord gets stronger from Chaos. Everything in this battle should have made him stronger, them ending in the Nightmare dimension should have made Discord a fucking invincible God, and in the end Bill's powers should have, at every turn, done nothing but fuel Discord. Discord gets stronger from Chaos. Bill only gets stronger from Weirdmaggedon, WHICH ENDS AS SOON AS THEY ENTER THE NIGHTMARE DIMENSION.
They did Discord dirty. Shit when you factor in the comics, WHICH THEY SUPPOSEDLY DO, Discord can defeat beings on his own level with chaos-based powers LIKE IT'S NOTHING. This match-up was a one-sided STOMP, but they gave that stomp to the wrong person.
I mean shit, look at their feats. Bill needed help breaking through dimensional barriers. Discord does that for kicks. There is a vast difference in power between them just based on that. Bill should not have been able to even SCRATCH Discord.
And their logic that Discord wouldn't have taken the fight seriously makes no sense WHEN FLUTTERSHY IS IN DANGER. Seriously, they put Fluttershy in danger and expect ANYONE to believe Discord would not take the fight seriously??? Even the ending they chose flies in the face of that. He might have been fooling around, but he took Bill seriously enough to get him out of Equestria. He knew Bill was a threat. How can they argue he doesn't take him seriously???
This death battle was awesome, but it pisses me off how dirty they did Discord. This should be like having Homelander fight Omni-Man. Similar powers, but one is just so much stronger than the other. He can even make 3D into 2D, Bill should have not been able to do SHIT against him. I'm so annoyed. XD Discord can't even actually die! As long as chaos exists, he will return!
And for Bill?? They gave his powers a boost. His regeneration is not accurate. It takes a while for him to regenerate his eye, he says so himself. And the fucking unicorn hair barrier??? What, because it doesn't work on Bill but works on an inaminate object he beought to life, this means the Bewitching Bell wouldn't work on Bill??? How does that make any sense??? The Bewitching Bell can work on Discord, a being capable of everything Bill is AND MORE, the idea it wouldn't work on Bill is LUDICROUS.
We also have no proof Discord's spirit can't regenerate. The example they use of that is him denying his nature, literally him erasing himself, not being erased by someone else. And it's not his spirit that was fading, it was HIM.
We've never even seen Discord in spiritt form take damage. How can they claim Discord can't regenerate in spirit form when nothing has ever harmed him in that form???
I didn't know it was THAT rigged (again even with the reasons given, giving more chaos, to chaos itself would conceive a battle that Bill, for of his godlike abilities, actually has no chance of winning in the long run XD) but damn, I didn't even recall the 3D to 2D part like that's legit WTF?? What else is there...
Although again I ask at first: a Bill, without the bubble, has infinite power plus a Multiversal Threat that may cause havoc to travel through different worlds... Until I realized that *the basic ahh bubble itself* is evidence that his abilities are all the more nullifable...
And what does Discord have again? The power to remove one's abilities... Like what happened when he removed one's abilities in the lore as it is, even splitting apart another's into gems..
I mean, in the recent Goku Vs. Superman bout bare in mind they said, and I quote *_"we put our characters at their fullest potential"_* ... Doesn't seem to be the case here as they missed a ton of stuff XD.
Unfortunately, the others will take DB's word for it at times, not all of them would think too much of it, thinking it's all coordinated to it's most corrected, that way thinking is not wise and it will backfire hard some day XD.
@@yourcordialvermillionchapw2398 yeah, honestly, this death Battle, while fucking awesome, is the main reason I think Death Battle plays favorites. There's no way Discord should have lost this.
Shit the only reasons he lost EVER in canon was because his opponent was using his antithesis (the elements of harmony), had grown powerful enough to drain his magic (like Tirek, who only dared try because he had already absorbed the magic, strength, etc. of every pony in equestria, not putting him on Discord's level, but definitely putting him in Discord's ballpark) or had used the fucking Bewitching Bell. Other than that, he has never lost. Shit he's never even taken damage that he did not invite himself (which is how Starlight Glimmer was able to destroy his body. He wanted her to).
Discord should have been basically invincible up against Bill, especially at his peak.
@@noratheweeb9387 Yeah I thought that much... If only we can show them one day...
Or... It's all one massive troll, Discord actually won and the audience is seeing something that isn't, we seen what Discord can do from the 4th wall breaks (now I know Bill also does this in the intro's and apparently hijacked his own creator's body thus the gags they had, but Discord should still be all the more unprecedented about it, plus there is no out with fact that Chaos still fuels him XD).
Now...There is another Death Battle on my radar that despite being discouraged at first due to one massive haxxy ability the other had, I have found a breakthrough that currently matches it, thanks to the franchise I searched for had a much longer run and it came up... I decide not to reveal my cards about such for now though, but DB might not mention it anyways, stretch some favor, and miss the much bigger picture like what they did here.
To make matters worse, I was there in one of their little discussions that they had about said characters: *the poll was actually close...* The final choice was given from the one they were rooting for, with the other I had in mind loosing, yet there indeed is more nuance to it...
Man y’all is glazers seriously and the beyonder one taps discord and eliminates his very concept and solos the mlp verse🥱
@@Cosmicangel36
Ayo what about Bill? In fact due Bills still more malevolent, brasher irrational attitude, will get it the worse🗿
Brother, I agree that there will be other higher gods who will clap Discord, but nobody was talking about the mother focking Beyonder here. If someone were to say that Discord slaps ever god out there, then it is arrogant glazing, but nothing changes the holes in DB's bout that need to be called out, regardless of their growth since this already shows they messed up. Your arguement that relates to this situation holds no actual central merit.
This is one of if not my favorite death battle ever they got everything perfect
Everyone seems to forget that even without the axolotl bill would've come back because stan got his memory back which in turn would bring Bill back
Can’t wait for nux to eventually get to Popeye vs saitama that episode had some peak animation
23:06 "this stale mate is getting dull how about a different game" "Sure I love checkers" throws chess peice at him "Go fish" had me dead💀💀💀
The best part, in my opinion, is that when they travel around it's a perfect trap and Discord trying to kill Bill is just a distraction from the portal to save the ponies. You can tell because weirdmageddon isn't going on when they get back to Celestia during the grab, squeeze, doll smacking, and checkers thing. The fight just distracts Bill from the fact that he's in an illusion in his home.
Bill might have won the battle,but Discord have won the war and trapped bill
But tbh
Discord is immortal, because as long as their is chaos,their is discord
There's a lot of theories about how and in what form Bill Cipher survived. He survived somewhere in Stan's subconscious. He is trapped in the memory eraser canister or the statue. He traveled to our world. He escaped Stan's mind with Axolotl's help and will return in a new form. My favorite theory is one of the more outlandish ones. Axolotl decides to ironically reincarnate Bill in the past as Stanley Pines. It feels kind of silly but it also feels really poetic and it matches Axolotl's poem from the Curse of the Time Pirates (a non canon book containing "one enormous 'canon' secret" which is almost definitely the poem).
Sixty degrees that come in threes.
Watches from within birch trees.
Saw his own dimension burn.
Misses home and can't return.
Says he's happy. He's a liar.
Blame the arson for the fire.
If he wants to shirk the blame,
He'll have to invoke my name.
One way to absolve his crime.
A different form, a different time.
The most direct way to absolve Bill's crime is to reincarnate him as the same person who willingly gave up everything to stop him. Stan and Bill saw Stan's mind (dimension) go up in flames. Stan was arguably the arson of that fire while Bill was the one to blame. Stan left home and couldn't return but he was clearly depressed about it but often pretended that he was completely happy. Sixty degrees that come in threes clearly refers to him being a triangle but could also mean that his character will do a 180 and go from a villain to a hero. Outside of the poem it makes a lot of thematic sense. Stanley has all of Bill's worst character traits but he also has a loving family who help make him a better person. It's a ridiculously outlandish theory but I love it and to me it makes more sense than Bill coming back as a villain. At some point this theory gained a lot more popularity and got nicknamed the Same Coin Theory because Stan and Bill are two sides of the same coin.
alright if bill cipher offers me a dorito bag it would've been more funnier.
The fun part is that even if Bill escapes the dimension, it'll take millions or even BILLIONS of years for him to do so. And since Discord cares for Fluttershy above all else, he at least ensured that his one true friend and their friends are safe til they die of old age. And odds are given Discord also likely told them what happened and who Bill is in the letter, that gives horse world millions/billions of years to prepare for the triangle by the time he returns.
In other words, while Bill technically won the DB because of the rules of the thing, Discord all but ensured total victory by the end in every way he cares about. Plus if/when he reforms with enough chaos, even this "death" won't matter. So Discord gets the laugh last no matter what in the end.
I think there was a slight problem with their conclusion in how Discord disappearing worked, call me bias, Discord was fading because of his own actions, he himself was not being true to his chaotic nature, not because of outside influence. personally I cannot vouch for his ability to beat Bill (Haven't watched the show) however given Discord and Bill seem very close in power and similar in scope, I think at best it is a draw on either side, Bill may be able to "Kill" Discord, but Discord might just as likely reappear after a toon like pause, like showing up at his own funeral, giving his own eulogy. However Discord has the means and a way to access the knowledge needed to trap Bill in a different dimension, as he did in the Death battle.
i was wathcing this and he kept going like "man i cant wait!!" while consantly pausing the video- like you have the solution to see what happens sooner lol
Bill can destroy spirits while Discord can create portals to other dimensions without effort, something Bill can't even do without help. Truly a fitting ending!
Ya boy discord still lost tho😂
@@Cosmicangel36 The battle yes, but what about the war? Discord will regenerate in his chaos-realm in a few years tops, while Bill is trapped in a transient dimension for billions of years 😉
@@NostalgicOccultist time has no much meaning for him
@@Cosmicangel36 It does for everyone else, by the time he gets out Discords universe might have just peacefully and naturally ended on its own, it'll be like Bill never existed to them
@@NostalgicOccultist bro their dead 💀
11:10 - lol at Nux flipping out at Wiz and Boomstick "not" mentioning Bill entering our world despite the phrasing (AND that photo of the Bill Cypher statue from the ARG) making it quite clear the show's writers were just being cheeky about it. XD
Wiz and Boomstick: "The winner is Bill Cipher"
Me: Define "win"
This is a weird one, because technically we never saw either character use their powers at full power. Bill pulled some feats but against opponents we also don't know the limits of, and for all we know his galactic level power claims could have been all talk *he was fond of lying a lot* and showed a good deal of restrictions, I mean if a weirdness vortex made by some alien ship was enough to hold him and his power there than whose to say other powers in the 3-D universe couldn't have cancelled him and he just assumed he was that powerful because he was that powerful in his native dimension. Remember till Weirdmageddon he never actually had before been released fully into the third dimension.
I thought the title was gonna be "Bill Cipher vs. Discord is NOT A FAIR FIGHT!" Based off what you said in the analysis. XD
Another episode you should check out is Cole Macgrath vs Alex Mercer. It’s an underrated episode that has a lot of love put into it for both series. I never even played either franchises and I still ended up loving it.
Discord is like the Discord comunity: Chaotic