Bill Cipher VS Discord (Gravity Falls VS My Little Pony) | DEATH BATTLE!
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2023
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Okay, but Discord sacrificing himself to save everyone is 100% in-character.
I love it.
Bill Cipher made one of the biggest mistakes in MLP history: Messing with Fluttershy.
Here's a thing there ofc is someone stupid enough to except Bill's deal so either way Bill can just takeover the Mlp universe again without Discord in the way
@@Stupidity-_- After he nearly nuked their universe? Yeah, I don't think so...
@@bismuth7398 wdym?
@@Stupidity-_- Why would anybody in Equestria listen to the Cthulhu Dorito after he nearly destroyed everything?
I gotta say, this is probably the only death battles where "Running the data through ALL possibilities" would actually be impossible.
Yeah because their nothing they can't do
@@austinking249 Or, to put it in fancy impressive science-y language, they're Apex-class ontokinetics.
literally the only thing worth leveraging is what they have to lose
and Discord certainly has people worth keeping
Ttue
Well, i still think that Discord had better multiversal feats, while Bill hadn`t shown any above universal
14:15 Super small detail that I loved: after Discord buries Bill under all those desserts, it ends with a cherry on top coupled with the classic "ding" sound effect.
When it cuts back to Discord, what is he holding? A desk bell.
This man supplied his own sound effects.
Then Bill followed up with a "rimshot" from a rather conveniently obtained drum set after Discord made that "Just Desserts" joke.
@@SorenDaein Apparently Bill is a fan of Green Day as well, lol.
I think he tried draining his powers with the bell
It wasn’t super small we all saw it
@@Unyieldingwill no I didn't
I like how they did effectively give the win to both of them. In that Bill can't cross dimensional barriers but Discord can, and that would normally decide a battle. But at the same time the rules of Death Battle explicitly require a fatality, so Battle Field Removal would not work. So the idea to have Bill kill Discord but Discord BFR him was very well thought out.
Scooby doo vs Courage, was a draw
@@oscarcarbajal5135 Somebody actively participating in the fight still died though. It just wasn't one of the cartoon dogs because nobody really wanted to see them both kill each other.
I agree! It makes sense that Bill would go for the KILL but not think of some way to save himself trouble in the process. His priority was to defeat Discord while Discord's priorty was to save his friends, which he DID so in a way they both won
@@oscarcarbajal5135 So was Deadpool vs Pinkie.
I mean tehnically it could end with a bfr it would just need to be made correctly
For people wondering what Bill Cypher said at the end, he said “Reality is an illusion, the universe is a hologram, buy gold, bye!”
Did you manage to decode the ciphers in bill's descriptions?
I’m not that good… but near the end, some of the frames have some repeated words in white in a black background, that says “Transform The Question Demon”. It might either be a reference to an episode, or possibly a direct quote said by someone in an episode of Death Battle.
"Buy Gold!"
Goodbye gold
@avonace9873 I ran the first one, "VOVEVM WVVA MFGA SZS," through multiple cipher solvers and the best one I found was "ELEVEN DEEZ NUTZ HAH"
Am I the only who loved that Discord may have “lost” the death battle but ultimately won in the end?
Lost the battle but won the war
I mean in lore Discord is a concept and can comeback free while Bill is still trapped though all he needs to do is trick someone into letting him out, so possibly stalemate?
@@lilmatty2466both will come back from death eventually, they are both truly immortal beings
@@ithealsinreverse5958 Bill isn't a truly immortal being because he isn't a universal concept like Discord is. He was forced to invoke the power of the Axolotl to give himself a chance at future reincarnation when he was about to be destroyed but if he didn't then he wouldn't have been able to do so. Despite his overwhelming power, his hubris nearly spelt the true end of him in that moment.
Yeah, I say Discord is the real winner of Death Battle, protecting your loved ones makes you a winner than having world domination. That character also won my respect too.
This fight's ending was kind of genius, actually.
Really think about it; Discord probably knew he would lose the fight. Hence why he left that letter behind for the others. And Bill was so hyperfocused on killing Discord, who could still keep up using his tricks, that he never realized that the two of them had left Equestria.
Discord dies at the end, yes. But by the endcard's own admission, as long as chaos still exists, Discord will come back, even if it's not quick enough to continue the battle. So what did he do?
He traps Bill back in his home dimension.
Bill won, sure. But nobody likes to see the bad guy get the last laugh, right?
Tricking Bill into going back to his dimension was his plan from the beginning. At 15:12, the "invaded Equestria" does not have weirdness bubbles and at 15:34 the portal's color is blue instead of red at the start. That was when Discord took the fight to the Nightmare Realm disguised as Equestria by him and Bill didn't realize in his hyperfocus on defeating him.
Discord's attempt at invading Bill's mind was further stalling to provoke and distract him as well, that's why he said "it was worth a try".
It was never about winning for Discord. It was about saving his friend's friends
Eh bill got there once he can do it again I mean like he ain’t dead
I don’t know about that last sentence.
Discord may be reformed, but he’s not THAT reformed.
So Bill won the battle, but Discord won the war.
@@DamontheDemon7 Bill was still definitely the badder dude in this fight, though.
So Boomstick went from stereotypically hating MLP to warming up to it via his daughter?
That's some of the most wholesome character development I've seen :)
As someone with a daughter can attest, every word he said about being a father to a daughter is the truth.
@@flmbyz You can say that again
Having a daughter or niece who likes it and wants to share it with you will do that too you.
Debates aside its wholesome to see Discord is fighting to free the ponies instead of his own gain.
Meh, mostly for Fluttershy, friends of a friend
Though Discord does his 4th wall bit before the fight saying he doesn't want to be shown up by Bill and that's why he'll fight
O yeah bill won 😊
Bill can regen his soul while discord cant
Starscream: What about me?! It's been 10 years and i'm still stuck in the gut of a goddamn pony!
Despite losing, Discord is the only combatant to screw over the winner’s victory. Mad respect to Discord.
Discord is the TRUE winner in our book.
Usually characters in Death Battle fight for no reason other than the occasional bloodlusted character or misunderstanding motive, but due to the context they found themselves in, Bill had the clear goal he was always shooting for since millenia.
Because it's canon in both verses that there are infinite universes with infinite possibilities, this is canon in another timeline. The setting is just what Bill's wanted and struggled for for so long. It was freedom in a new dimension for him to conquer.
This felt like a climactic story battle that would have took place after several arcs foreshadowing Bill's return and the big showdown. I never watched MLP, but from what I've read in the comments, this was a rare battle in which Discord was fighting for someone other than himself.
Discord's goal was to save the ponies. If it meant killing Bill, that was no problem, but saving his friends was his top priority. In the end however, he died, but not before getting the slip on Cypher and sending him back. Did he cause it? Maybe. Did he end it? Definitley.
Discord lost the battle but he won the war. Cypher will have to start all over again and take who knows how long to get out of his dimension, but next time, the ponies will probably have prepared by then and avenge their comrade who avenged them.
Technically Bayonetta managed it, but it wasn't intentional: the setup for that battle was Dante's entire goal being her - alive - which he didn't realize and expressed in exactly the worst way. Presumably he's now going to have to find a way to revive her... and probably can. (I do like that setup because it fits both series' narrative flavours: Bayonetta relies on the very long planning, little of it her own, to ensure whatever she feels like doing in the moment will turn out to have been the correct choice, while Devil May Cry lets Dante make loads of critical mistakes on the grounds that he's expected to be both capable and willing to then fix all of them.)
@@Mr._Pancakes well the ponies don't necessarily need to "avenge" him, as discord can just reform if there is enough chaos. they would just have Pinkie Pie, the pink pony, throw a chaotic party and that should revive him.
I would argue Widowmaker vs Black Widow. Widowmaker successfully assassinated her target which Black Widow was tasked with protecting. She dies, but her mission was successful.
“Allegedly lost a drinking contest to Sideways from Transformers”
Now THAT is an obscure bit of trivia. That tidbit came from Sideways in a relatively obscure corner of Transformers lore, not MLP. I’m impressed with the research here.
Where did they come form
I'm pretty sure they found that while researching Megatron/Unicron
The thing is, there was actually a Transformers/MLP crossover comic
Rule 1: if Bill Cipher claims he can see everything chances are he's about to get humbled in some way even if he does end up killing his opponent
I'm not an MLP fan, but hearing Fluttershy sadly calling "Discord?" broke my heart. Fiction is wild
As someone who has watched most of it, that line hurt.
I'm a Fluttershy fan...it was hard to listen too.
Even if discord lost the battle against bill, but at least he won the war and had the last laugh by saving Fluttershy :)
And it's also been established in the lore that Discord will always reform since he has to exist. He's a concept, you can't destroy a concept. He will always come back we just don't know how long. :p
Basically if Bill ever comes back, discord vs bill cipher will happen again and the same thing repeats.
Which is ironic becuase in G5 it is Discord mourning dead Fluttershy. THIS SHIP IS REAL!!! (like One Piece)
@@MrConredsX …Did they die? I never got into MLP, just watched it during My Childhood. Beside that, can’t Discord just resurrect her?
Fluttershy's calling out for Discord at the end was legitimately heartbreaking
I know it was devastating 😢
Loser
@@fossilking444loser
it's been established in the lore that Discord will always reform since he has to exist. He's a concept, you can't destroy a concept. He will come back, he's fine
@@SleepyWhistles I mean Bill Cipher has killed Time Baby who was the concept of time meaning Bill could have concept destroying capabilities.
So I don't see Discord living after Bill killed him.
Whatever you paid the animators for this fight, it's not enough. You've really outdone yourselves this time.
This death battle seams more like the conclusion to a crossover event than a fan animation on UA-cam.
If you pay attention, after Bill and Discord leave the puppet bubble, the weirdness bubbles are all gone. This is a subtle hint that Discord transported Bill out of Equestria
OH MY GOD
He did he used what magic he had left to trap bill in a different dimension
I think that it rather was that he was slowly "fixing" the place before trapping Bill. First you can see the ponies floating without being statues, then the bubbles and mosnters are gone and finally he teleports Bill to his dimention.
All of that and the way he hugs the yellow pony's flag makes me feel that Discord alredy knew from the start that he wouldn't beat Bill so he just distracted him long enough to repair all the chaos and then trap him
@@mdsystems4463 I love that headcanon and am adopting it.
@@mdsystems4463 You could also see that as the reason he knew he’d lose. He knew that if he started ‘restoring’ everything, it would totally lower his power. He’s the embodiment of chaos, so any ‘order’ Discord does would make him weaker.
Not only is the bro a troll and was he able to teach Bill the meaning of sacrificing yourself for your friends, but also what the definition of a ‘Pyrrhic Victory’ is.
I love the fact that Bill and Discord are arguing within the text of each other’s analyses
They did?
@@ultrainstinctgokuhope7442 look at the text, you can see them insulting each other
Yeah. That was hilarious.
@@Galvatron759which minute?
@@nachonaitor553510:56 is where I saw most of it
You could say Discord had "twists and turns in his master plan to send Bill Cipher back where he began."
I don’t think this will ever get old
I love this callback, you brilliant human being.
Ooh, that's a good one.
This legit blew my mind.
That, "Oh, Bill" at the end always gets me every time I watch this. The line was really well delivered.
This death battle was insane!
thumbs up
Super and fabulous
Nice 👍
Dude, you can say that again
Nice 👍
Fun Fact: If you play this battle’s song “Discordant Decipher” in reverse, there’s a reversed message that says. “Why are you listening to this part backwards? Don’t tell me you’re some kind of tinfoiler. You do know the song doesn’t decide who wins, right?”
I can see either Discord OR Bill saying that
But you’re not going to say what the ending reversed bit was??
@@theendofthestart8179"the universe is a hologram reality is an illusion buy gold bye."
@@helios_is_my_name nice
this death battle gets debunked, its rigged bill cipher is at best universal and discord multiversal+ i can type an essay on why and show their attack potency, lifting and striking strenght, speed ect.
13:30
"...took a lot of glue. Good thing your friends make their own."
I just picked up on this, Bill grinding Pony Hooves into homade glue seems like somthing he would do. Fits his morbid sense of humor...
It’s a layed joke and it’s perfected
I thought he was saying they made their own merchandise lol
@@creationisntgood942 both, its both
I'm probably imagining things, but here's something fun about 14:27
Bill causes stuff to float around and starts twisting the perspective of the scene, before leaving it with the world left upside down. It stays that way even in the weirdness bubbles, up until Discord gets them out.
He made Gravity Fall, and the Earth become the Sky, to show you should Fear the beast with just One Eye.
That’s a really interesting detail, and not one I noticed until you pointed it out! I wondered why they particularly had the cartoon one upside down, and I didn’t realize the puppet background was also upside down! 😂
I was framing through that sequence and saw the MLP Mabel using her grappling hook to save MLP Dipper. 😄
Love your spin on the prophecy, too. 😁
Discord’s title card at the beginning was also upside down
Ohhh so that's what that meant when Mcgucket said that G. Falls and Earth would "become sky". I knew what the beast with one eye part meant, but not the "become sky" part.
Also, after the bubbles, things are right side up, but there are no bubbles. Foreshadowing that Discord moved Bill back to his home dimension.
Jeez... these details just keep piling up for this battle.
Bill reaching into his own eye to grab discord was an animation masterpiece
That was genuinely terrifying.
His eye getting hit can actually result in pain for him but, he clearly cut off his inhibitors when he reached in himself... Sick AWESOME!!
👌😩🤌
Good thing he can regen
It was freaking ominous as f 😱
Moro always makes masterpieces. He's the guy who animated all the hand drawn Bill Cipher scenes during the fight, with the exception of when Bill and Discord were rubberhose animated.
I really love the double meaning in Discord "I've seen your show, and I know how you die." It makes everyone think he's talking about him being destroyed inside a mind... yet the truer meaning is about someone sacrificing himself for those he loves - something the selfish Bill, despite all his foreknowledge, would never expect or see coming.
That's... deep.
Discord lost the battle but won the war and respect.
Finally somebody else points this out! The only way to defeat Bill is to do the one thing he can't comprehend: Be selfless.
Also luring him somewhere by distracting him with something he wants, or playing on his ego. He was too busy enjoying his fight with Discord (especially inside his mind) that he didn't even notice he wasn't in Equestria
this death battle gets debunked, its rigged bill cipher is at best universal and discord multiversal+ i can type an essay on why and show their attack potency, lifting and striking strenght, speed ect.
@@markmolayal9402 I love how he said he's an all seeing god just moment before getting trapped in that dimension (I forgot it's name)
15:34 Bill: I Love *Checkers!*
Also Bill: *literally drops a chess piece at him*
then says go fish
@@hamham9668Yep, that's Bill
It’s chaos.
Not supposed to be logical and orderly.
Nightmare demon/lord of chaos, bill.
Bro I ain't even lying, just as Discord snapped his fingers to show the VA's of Wiz & Boomstick, youtube literally gave me an ad, I was genuinely shocked and annoyed at the same time.
You could say that Discord actually did teach Bill a lesson in friendship.
There are some things that are worth sacrificing for....
Guess you can say Bill shoulda gone for the HEAD!!
@@theggamer2824shoulda gone for the soul first
More like, even the most selfish of people can sacrifice themselves for others. Aka Stan, and now Discord.
Spike, write a letter!
Doctor strange should learn that
I love that this feels more like the end of crossover event rather than a random fight between the two.
Me too, hope someone make a fanfiction about it with final battle being the same on this episode
That's exactly what I was thinking: Bill won the Death Battle, but Discord won the narrative.
It really does. No Death Battle comes this close to feeling like a canon cross-over story with deep lore behind it
@@alexbaribeault What about Solid Snake vs Sam Fisher?
@@parachilla4321that comes pretty close
"LET ME OUT OR ILL EAT YOUR DREAMS!"
That one actually got me
You know, weird observation, but rewatching some of my favorite Death Battles...THIS is the first time one of the combatants has cared more about the world they were fighting on than winning the fight itself. Like, seriously, this is the first time when both combatants CAN destroy a planet without blinking an eye, and one of them sacrifices the fight, in order to spare the world they're on.
No one else in this series has given enough of a dang to preserve the world if it gives them even a slight disadvantage in the fight. Not even people like Superman, who, barring certain film versions, does NOT let himself go all out if it will endanger anyone else.
Not sure what that says about the fight itself, but Pony characters tend to make this series do weird things. From Rainbow Dash eating souls, Twilight evolving mid fight, or Pinkie Pie throwing a party that defeats the hosts...neat.
I love how bittersweet yet kinda honorable the ending was, Bill won the fight but Discord ended up having the final laugh, both metaphorically and literally
And they will continue to fight for eternity in an endless loop of discord resurrecting and bill coming back.
@@kirbystar7474 Wonder if bill could take on Mr Mxyzptlk
@@Dradogs2 Who knows but I do find the matchup interesting.
Why you gotta spoil
I count this as a victory for Discord, and I'm pretty sure that was only part of Discord that made sure that Bill couldn't get Equestria.
I like the spoiler hidden at the start; Discord starts the fight writing a letter to Celestia saying Bill would learn an important lesson about Friendship. In the end, he sacrifices himself to dump Bill back in the Nightmare Realm to protect his friends, the letter he wrote to them can be seen on the other side of the portal before it shuts.
Discord was never going to win, so he prepared in advance and used Bill's tunnel vision against him to win the war instead of the battle, saving his friends even though he couldn't win. He did indeed teach Bill a lesson.
What's more, he did it the same way Bill lost last time. When he says "I've seen your show" he wasn't talking about recreating the literal events of Bill's death, as it looked like. He was talking about making Bill overfocus on a goal (killing him), making Bill underestimate him (by making him think he took he misunderstood why Bill lost and took it to literally), and he performed the same type self-sacrifice Stan did, something Bill simply can't understand and thus never predicts. I also assume that what's written on that letter is a goodbye to Fluttershy, he just passed it off as a joke so Bill wouldn't suspect anything.
@@transfandomman1699 I think it's more Discord knowing he doesn't have to do anything anymore, he saved his friends and his home, he knows Bill's fate is sealed, as a concept himself, Discord will likely come back thanks to his friends, that letter you mentioned was also being written at the start of the battle about the importance of friendship and ultimately, that's why Discord gets the higher ground as he'll return back to his friends, but Bill is still stuck in his realm.
@@dragonquest8ftw1Discord’s conceptual existence is the whole thing that makes this war unwinnable for Bill.
Even Reddit agreed on that somehow.
So they were talking in Battles, which Bill won, but Discord most definitely won the war.
Now that a real one right there.
He did it all just to save Fluttershy and all of Equestria... I can respect Discord for that
This had "I may die but I'm going to take you with me." Vibes.
I love when characters are so powerful that Wiz doesn't even bother calculating Strength, speed or durability. And instead has to measure how reality reacts to their existence 😂
Bill's personal win condition was to kill Discord and conquer Equestria. Discord's win condition was to protect his friends.
Discord might've lost the death battle, but he won by his own rules.
Oh my god I just realized that when Discord showed up in the analysis section, he litterally says that he has no interest in fighting, but won't let Bill upstage him. In the end, he won by the parameters he set for himself.
Friends of a Friend.
Discord die protecting his friends, an honorable sacrifice in my opinion
Should make a statue in his honor
It's also the only reason these two would fight. Discord would never kill, but he would challenge someone if they were a threat. Bill would never engage in a pointless duel, but he would destroy anyone who challenged his power. With Bill's motives in mind, and Discord's motives in mind, this seems to be the most likely outcome.
So the only person who really lost was Bill Cipher
I appreciate that even losing Discord succeeded in his goal, protecting his friends. Death Battle is, by its very nature, pairing up beings who would never fight in a duel to the death, no holding back even if the character themselves would not kill. This is one of the few ones where a without question EVIL individual fought a mostly good guy. And while the bad guy was much more powerful, in the end he still didn’t “win”. Discord achieved his goal, protecting his friends. I like that.
I salute him. What a chad
It won't last. Sooner or later, some greedy idiot will release Bill. He cannot be permanently destroyed, like Discord can.
@@corjonbett Discord cannot be permanently destroyed either. In cannon, if chaos exists, discord exists. Great fight though.
Well, Bill wasn't more powerful.... he just had a better mindset for taking out someone who was an equal in strength.
Still, making Bill's victory a Pyric one was still a awesome move on his part.
@@13KuriMaster There's also the fact Bill Cipher had way more resistance and regeneration than Discord which gave Bill the edge.
Jeez the detail of Bill's Eye going bloodshot from sheer RAGE as he deleted Discord was just amazing
This feels like it set up a perfect rematch in the far future, bill will escape and the chaos caused by him will be enough to revive discord to run it back
Good point actually
Okay, but Fluttershy worrying about where Discord is is SO damn heartbreaking. I imagine the note we see in front of her and the others was like a farewell/apology to them. He literally gave it all for them in the end, and went out like a true hero...
My heart legit broke at that ngl
They need to tell us what that note says!!!
Discord: If I have to die just so Fluttershy & the others could live... Then so be it.
Remember: it's only a matter of time before Discord comes back.
He probably left them instructions for how to help speed the process up. He wouldn't want to keep his dear friend Fluttershy waiting...
@@bismuth7398imagine if it's bills note and he replaced the note discord made at the beginning to try to trick the ponys
Love the voice actors in this. The part where Discord said "You don't recognize your own home." And the reality for Bill shatters was perfect. Discord won in my heart.
The fact that the last thing Bill heard from him was his echoing mocking laughter… just wow
There's just something very satisfying about watch Bill panic as he tries to escape the Nightmare Dimension only for him to miserably fail.
tbh I thought that WAS Discord winning before Wiz and Broomstick came back with the analysis. I thought Discord teleported back to Equestria before the portal closed to trap Bill
Bill may have killed Discord, but Discord had the last laugh.
@@mindshuffler3332He's an evil bastard, and he essentially "lost" the same way he did in Gravity Falls: completely outwitted in a way he never saw coming by a character's love allowing them to gladly sacrifice themselves for the sake of their loved ones, something he could never understand because he is an entirely self serving creature. It's glorious.
Discord canonically has "Nuh Uh!" as an applicable superpower and I love that so much about him.
This was basically a fight between "That Guy..." (who keeps spoiling the fun like a total jerk no one asked to be with) and everyone's favorite class clown, imo.
In fact, it's a 180° to Unicron VS Galactus, given the wider sense of who both these characters are. I loved this so much.
I'm sorry for all that you and your buddies at RoosterTeeth may be going through rn, Wiz & Boomstick. By all means, I at least hope that you guys will still be able to entertain us for generations to come with all you've provided thus far.
Lets also not forget that they both technically cant be permanently killed except in one specific way. Discord is malevolence; if everything else is dead, he'd die too, Bill can only be permanently stopped by the Zodiac, All other methods are temporary. Only one of these methods would be availible to the other combatant
Someone at Disney even said there were a couple months that anyone visiting the studio could have seen a whiteboard that said “how to kill god” when they were trying to figure out how to kill bill. They made him so powerful that even the writers were stumped on how to kill him
Damn, one of the flaws of making an omnipotent being
Ha. Kill Bill.
@@Dusk_Mightyena "omnipotente"
This is why I hate disney and gravity falls as a whole and it’s creaters they made that stupid gross out show that give me nightmares and a existanal crisis
@@agsdragon5475skill issue
It honestly broke my heart to see Fluttershy call out for Discord at the end.
Bill may have won the battle, but at least Discord saved his friends.
You realized Team My Little Pony lost AGAIN, right?
In the end, Discord had the last laugh... Literally (16:43 to 16:46)
Safe for now
True Bill won the Death Battle, but Discord won the war.
Like a boss, he took the "L" for the "W" in the end.
❔❓❔ QUESTION MARK ❓❔❓
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I love how Discord basically saved his "friend's friends" by trapping Bill away. And when Bill goes serious mode, it was absolutely EPIC !
I like how even if bill technically won, discord really screwed him over as much as possible
allah solos bill cipher
Discord lost the battle, but won the war.
That's what makes this match up so chaotic, it really inversed what a victory and loss was suppose to be.
That is in character for Discord.
@@kappadarwin9476Now *that* was a feat to think about!
My favorite thing I haven’t seen anyone mention yet is that in the portal to Equestria, you can see a letter on the ground, meaning that the letter he wrote at the beginning of the fight was a farewell note to Fluttershy and the others, he always knew that he might not be able to stick around to say goodbye so he did it the only way he could
With enough chaos he can recreate his soul and physical body, he has a plan to defeat bill knowing there was no chance to destroy bill
The quivering in Fluttershy's voice as she's saying Discord's name with the note on the ground really hit home.
Did a great job with this one!!
@@monsterplay1007it's an interesting question to consider, since Bill is capable of eradicating entire souls and spirits from existence. But I also realize Discord reshaped himself from nothing before, too.
Regardless, it's a really solid and touching way to go
@@monsterplay1007honestly it’s hard to say how he died as we don’t know what bill did to him either way I guess everybody wins as they both come back no matter what
I believe Discord foresaw that he was going to lose, and that's why he wrote that letter at the start of the fight.
Probably copium but maybe he's still out there. You can't truly 𝘬𝘪𝘭𝘭 chaos, after all.
I don't care about power scaling and stuff all that much, but I just gotta appreciate how fun, wacky and in-character that animated battle is. Also *14:48* the fact that you guys really comitted to the weirdness bubble scene with different arstyles is beyond respectable.
"Tell Jean Luc his show is worse.." The fact that Discord's v.a. is John De Lancie makes that line sooo worth it!
Discord did a Q Snap
I love how absolutely everything about the fight’s ending screams “I’ve won but at what cost” for both characters
And they even mention that discord would likely reform, but not quick enough to continue the fight.
I think Discord knew the cost. Wasn't what he preferred, but he died laughing knowing his friends are safe.
@@RoxxieVoicesThingsbill won the fight, he had to get nerfed by the plot
Galactus vs Unicron? MARVEL x Transformers.
@@drik6588 Don't care
This is probably THE best death battle ever. From the narrative, to the characterization, to the mechanics, animations, etc. 10/10. The fact that the loser got the most respectable death in the series. Really well done.
They're upped their quality all around in multiple ways. Martian Manhunter vs Silver Surfer was top tier too!
That and the fact that Discord will eventually reconstitute, and he banished Bill from Equiestria in the process, thus saving everyone, and leaving Bill stranded in a burnt down husk of a dimension means that by all means Discord won the war here.
@@treybrzezowski3259yeah fair but bill wins the fight
@@treybrzezowski3259Bill never wins the war but he is very good at winning the battle
@@treybrzezowski3259 Yeah i was honestly confused by the analysis; I thought that Discord had won and that he had only teleported himself instead of dying, with the idea that they couldn't kill each other and so had to settle for something, I guess.
16:00 you could not kill bill like that because he is just erasing bills memory but in gravity falls he was erased when he was in stans mind.
by technically, if discord was able to erase bill memories and identity, then bill would most likely become a non threat
THANK YOU
Now that was one of the most weirdest and tripping battle that I ever seen in Death Battle.
I can’t believe Death Batlle treated Discord better than his own show and comics, even if he lost, he went out like a boss!
You realize Team My Little Pony lost... AGAIN, right?
Will they EVER win?(And don't say no, because I checked.)
@@ericdalhoff3507You realize the very first MLP Death Battle was a win for the pony, right?
Better??
@@ericdalhoff3507 Rainbow Dash won against Starscream, and Pinkie Pie's fight ith Deadpool ended in a happy end for everyone so you can't count that as a win.
@@bosskaiju4834that first fight still runs me the wrong way.
It took me a ridiculously long amount of time to realize exactly what was "Discord's" last move. For those of you just a confused as me, with his last reality bending effort discord tossed Bill back into his original dimension that he was trapped in at the beginning of 'Gravity Falls', before he was then immediately defeated. Forcing Bill to 'start all over' in his approach to consuming dimensions again.
I actually figured that out moment he pull it off and the way he behave and acted indicated that this is his plan from the beginning
Thank you for explaining that because I never watched either show lol
It's actually a little more elaborate than that. It seems Discord constructed a fake copy of the Equestria world around Bill (like a box to keep him in) while moving him back into his prison dimension, so that Bill would not notice what was being done. He also presumably attacked Bill's mind despite knowing he would lose just so he could distract Bill long enough to move him.
@@GigaLigmaentonces podríamos considerar esto un empate a medias?, es que Bill salió tan afectado, que es dudosa su victoria
@@rodrigofigueredo4422No, Bill ganó la pelea, no fue empate
Pero fue Discord quien frustró el plan de Bill y salvó Equestria
Básicamente ganó a la larga
Saving his world and friends was always the goal. Living was just a luxury.
A luxury he CAN afford probably, for he is a concept and cannot be completely erased. He would return eventually
15:44 That's so ironic!
I adore how their deaths, Bill’s in his own show and Discord’s in this death battle, show their true natures. Discord died a noble death because he’d learned to care more about the world and Fluttershy than he did about himself. Meanwhile, Bill died begging and desperately trying to make a deal. He only cared about himself, so when he died, there was no solice. Only the terror of perishing after existing for over a trillion years. He went out kicking and screaming with no dignity.
Yeah Bill went out like a loser, and took the biggest L's in fiction.
If he IS truly dead.
There are plenty of hints in the supplementary materials that Bill Cipher may not be as dead as we think...
It is also hinted at by the show that Bill is probably still alive but I still totally agree he was served a big L
Well said!
@@ronald_mcva Thank you!
[SPOILERS FOR THE BATTLE] You know I find it incredible how despite how Bill killed Discord, Discord still had the last laugh and kind of won at the end, since he trapped him in his old dimension.
That's true until Bill finds someone desperate enough to make a deal.
And Discord ensured his own Revival by setting his Universe back to normal!
Yeah but bill will eventually break out and discord will reform and thus they’ll start an endless cycle one where bill wins the battle each time but discord keeps winning the war.
The ultimate sacrifice.
Discord started as a villain and lived long enough to become the hero.
It makes sense though, its more like an infinite tie since Bill Will get reincarnated If he dies and discord Will Reform, tbh the battle is kinda pointless, but quite fun to watch non the less
This gotta be one of my favourite death battle. 2 godlike entities at the top of their respective universe toying around with each other in very cartoonish yet deadly ways. Discord just screwing with Bill and trapping him in the nightmare realm in the end even though he technically won shows how smart both of them actually are.
The thing about this Death Battle that stands out to me is the fact there’s stakes to the fight other than who kills who. Discord isn’t fighting to prove he’s superior, he’s fighting to save his friends.
I love how this mirrors Bill’s defeat in Gravity Falls in a lot of ways. Grunkle Stan sacrifices himself to lock Bill away to protect his family and Discord does the same.
Funny how:
Both were voiced by the same VA in Brazil (Discord has 2 VAs actually. Second one is also Soos' voice, Cesar Marchetti)
Today is the birthday of said VA (Marcelo Pissardini)
Also, honestly even with Discord losing, this is still a best case scenario since I don't think Discord can technically truly ever die. Bill might have been able to destroy his physical and spiritual form but, chaos will always exist and the ponies might be able to bring him back with enough chaos.
@@corneliussnow8215since he just always come back
Wait, was that what he meant by "I know how you die?". He wasn't referring to the mind burn, he was referring to a self-sacrifice play.
@@corneliussnow8215 it’s true he has confirmed this too but it’s takes a long time for his body too restore completely
It's much more satisfying when the loser gets a narrative conclusion in the fight! Really happy that you guys started doing that.
It's also a good way to give something to the people who wanted the losing character to win. That even if they lost the battle, they still got something significant out of it.
this death battle gets debunked, its rigged bill cipher is at best universal and discord multiversal+ i can type an essay on why and show their attack potency, lifting and striking strenght, speed ect.
@@ShadeSlayer1911
True, if the contest wasn't named Death Battle, it would be easy to argue this was a win for Discord, despite his friends probably not seeing it that way.
Though, I'm sure they'll make him a nice statue to commemorate his sacrifice.
@@David9413 see, that's why this way is so satisfying for both sides. They both win in their own ways. I know nothing of th3s3 characters before this episode, but I want3d discord to win by the end of it. And win he did.
This is what I loved about the Magneto vs Tetsuo fight. It made perfect sense given their characters, and Magneto understanding the pain and suffering of a tortured child and mercy killing him when he lost control and turned into a horrific monster was a great touch.
Congratulations Bill fans you will be getting a new book fully dedicated to him next year.
It’d be amazing if the book somehow referenced this battle, or even just Discord in any way (just like how he did it in his card description).
But I doubt it tbh, would still be cool though.
Bill get so tired because many people think that Discord should have won, he decided to wrote a book.
I think that’d be cool.
"There was one time I invaded a land home to sentient bootleg merchandise. That was a fun six hours. Yes, I said it only lasted six hours, and it could’ve been much, much longer, but I was robbed. As it turns out, this universe has a chaos god who cares a lot about a world he doesn’t even control. In fact, he cared so much about it that he actually fought against me for it and, in the process, tricked me and my friends into returning home while I was under the illusion that I was still in his world. You wouldn’t believe how much I absolutely detest that creature, making a fool out of and even invading _my_ mind. I didn’t even realise I’d been booted from his world until it was too late for me to return there, and worst? Even though I destroyed him, I _know_ for a fact his chaotic powers will just send his essence back to his world, where I imagine he’s enjoying himself. Not to mention he might’ve joined me if I’d invaded his world sooner. Oh, well. You win some, you lose some. I just wish it hadn’t been that world.
Fortunately, I know of another portal between that world and Stanford’s. (Something that even Sixer doesn’t know about). Once I was done with that universe, I could’ve easily moved onto Stanford’s, but I guess it’ll be vice-versa here. Either way, once I find the hidden portal to that dimension, I’ll make sure the first thing I do is settle an old score and take back what is mine!"
Intresting thing to note, Bill only had infinite power once he fused with the psychical world. Which implies that if he were to lose his connection he would be considerably less powerful. So it's likely if Discord held out and kept bill busy until the portal fully closed, he could have won.
I love how this fight embodies the essence of chaos. Chaos are usually related with evil, but this episode shows how Chaotic Good vs Chaotic Evil is vastly different.
Well, Discord hovers between Chaotic Neutral and Chaotic Good depending on the day.
@@SinHurr
And Lawful Evil that one time.
Discord is Chaotic Neutral/Good
Bill is Chaotic Evil
@@SinHurrYes, but in the face of evil and oblivion, one tends to be slid into Good just to counter it.
I would call Discord at worst is Chaotic Necessary-Evil. Several times he’s helped others by being the villain encouraging others to grow stronger and build bonds.
This is the first time I've ever seen a combatant, sacrifice themselves to save others. I don't much care for MLP, but I gotta give mad respect to Discord. Bro's a hero in my book.
Because it's against the rules. All DB fighters are forced to cancel their morals and kill at any cost. But Discord is chaos incarnate and his 4th wall/rebirth/dimension travel/time travel abilities are superior enough for him to pull it off so I figure what the hell.
If I go down...
@@zacharymabb4873Discord: If I go down just to save Fluttershy & her friends... Then so be it.
Bill Cipher may be the winner, but Discord is the GOAT.
@@gmork1090I thought that rule only applied to situations where the character is a pacifist or has any reservations about killing their opponent
I can't think of too many situations where the character's loved ones actually get in the way of the fight except when they're killed right off the bat to incite motivation
I like how in the end, Discord knew he couldn't defeat Bill so his last act was to send Bill back to the Nightmare Dimension in order to save his friends
Actually discord would win cause the chaos makes him stronger and if he took this fight serious bill cypher won't stood a chance he could had also use grogar bell or had bill cypher go into his mind
@@user-ni2nv2tg2tFor every second Bill is out in our reality he grows stronger so that cancels Discords chaos power increase. Still incredibly fun video to see.
We dont know if Bill's power is magic or staright up RM . So Grogars bell is out of question.
A fun video neverthless
@@Bill_Cipher_OG but again discord could do the same and you say he in our world the only thing in our world is just his statue he not really out he still trap in gravity falls this is a weak claim
@@Bill_Cipher_OG grogar bell can absorb any energy so it's not out of the battle it would still work on bill cypher
@@user-ni2nv2tg2t In our world, i mean his physical form in Graviry Falls, not in the world we are living.
We havent seen Grogars bell absorb any energy other than magic. Thats a weak claim.
The Discord actor has an INCREDIBLE deLancie impersonation
Even though Discord lost, he still succeeded in sealing away Bill from invading other dimensions.
Discord is like: I'm gonna do what they call a Pro Gamer Move.
Bill Cipher may have killed Discord, but Discord had the last laugh.
He didn’t “seal” away Bill from invading other dimensions though, Bill can still escape if he’s able to make a deal with someone.
@@Okus477 But as long as no one makes a deal with Bill, he won’t escape.
@@hypersaiyan7102 which is highly unlikely considering he can just wait for as long as he needs, he can manipulate even the most smartest of people, or even those who don’t want to.
@@hypersaiyan7102*me casually making a deal with bill.*
Discord straight up roasted Death Battle and Rooster Teeth's animation consistency. Respect.
When
It was very close but yeah I understand why discord would win
They went absolutely nuts with the animation on this one. My favorite part had to be when they changed into a puppet show and then Discord broke the fourth wall by becoming a hand. This fight was exactly as crazy as advertised
Also the voice actors really popped off with this one, they did good performing as the characters and capturing their expressive nature. I think the ending makes sense though, given Bill is a little more of a "serious" antagonist than Discord. And I liked that they provided their other reasoning. DEATH BATTLE has always been very thorough with their research which is part of why I respect them.
That and having sick animators on the team
I literally had no idea who would win. in most of these battles its pretty easy to assume who will win but they were so equal
There actually not equal discord is far superior he was only toying with bill and plust when flutter shy got taken he got serious death battles clearly dint do there research enough
The sheer irony of this episode being sponsored by both DraftKings, an extremely predatory gambling service, and Betterhelp, is more powerful than either combatant.
Cause your going to need Betterhelp after you use DraftKings.
The one pitting Raven against Phoenix was conspicuously sponsored by the BetterHelp therapy service.
Yeah that gave me a chuckle too.
It’s a package deal 😊
Yeah, I did notice that. Lose all your money, then go and talk to someone about it.
Honestly, their power scaling is pretty much *exactly* equal. The main deciding factor is Discord wasnt taking things seriously, while Bill was. Fantastic episode.
Both were goofing around until Bill with his naturally short temper became too much for Discord to keep up with
This battle captured their characters way too well
Nah Bill is stronger but he isn't far
Discord does take things seriously against actual threats like with Cosmos
@@Caulikaibill is a 2d dream demon who loves causing Chaos.
Discord is the living embodiment of Chaos. As along as Chasos exist he cant stay dead forever and will allways reform.
And to celebrate the win, Bill is making a book.
Discord may have lost, but he went out saving equestria, laughing. Thats a win in my book.
Ok, but notice at the end, you can see the letter he wrote at the very beginning. Discord knew exactly what would happen and he still fought anyways. Truly, the most selfless chaotic being.
Honestly, this might be one of the most tragic episodes ever. Not just because of Discord's sacrifice... but also because it merely kicked the can down the road. Yes, Discord banished Bill from Equestria, but Gravity Falls' canon proved that Bill can take all the time he needs to trick someone into opening the rift again (just like when he tried to get Ford to do it, then Ford rebelled, and then Bill tricked Mabel into opening it decades later). So even if Discord eventually returns, so will Bill. Over and over, fighting again and again like a funny cartoon on loop.
It makes even more sense when you consider he attacks Bill's eye first. That's when he's taken him back to the Nightmare dimension when he knew Bill wasn't looking. Discord must have played dumb when Weirdmageddon began to enter into Bill's inner circle, as we can see they are taking with each other and Bill doesn't seem to mind his presence.
@@corneliusmaze-eye2459Or when they reached the portal after the puppet show part, maybe discord teleported him in this fake place
I'm glad we didn't get to see exactly what Discord wrote on that note, or else **I'd** be the one KO'd this episode.
@@mrreyes5004 But it gives Equestria time to prepare, assuming Discord in his letter provided some warning about his possible and eventual return.
I don't even watch MLP and yet hearing Fluttershy call out for her friend broke my heart. Mad respect for Discord. Dude lost but he got the last laugh.
I used to not like MLP FiM, but after watching it, I like it
Anyways, after his action of saving fluttershy and equestria, i salute to him. What a chad
That last part amazingly showed the difference between Bill and Discord. Just like Death Battle said, Discord was never TRULY evil. He was just chaotic neutral, and it just so happened that it was dangerous for the citizens of Equestria. But Bill definitely IS a force of malevolence. Bill just uses chaos and destruction to further his own conquest, and even his own underlings aren't safe from his uncaring schemes. Having friends to fight for and sacrifice yourself for... is something Bill could NEVER understand. Heck, that's how the Pines beat him, after all.
I came for chaos and violence not feelings. They got me good.
There was a letter infront of whr two from discord, he knew he was gonna lose
@@mrreyes5004Well said! I also adore how their deaths, Bill’s in his own show and Discord’s in this death battle, show their true natures. Discord went out laughing, saving those he cared about. He died a noble death because he cared more about the world and Fluttershy than he did about himself. Meanwhile, Bill went out begging and desperately trying to make a deal. He only cared about himself, so when he died, there was no solice. He died kicking and screaming with zero dignity.
I love how when they have the small panels with characters info bill(yellow text) Discord(pink text) talk to encoder XD
The best 4th wall-breaking I've seen in a while.
I’d like to imagine these are the events before Bill met Ford
16:25 the delivery on this line, going from feeling defeat, to knowing discord scored the checkmate. you just hear it in his voice.
The acting has gotten SO good.
16:30 "You dont recognize? your old .... HOME." CHILLS bro.
Ohhh been trying to figure out what he said there for ages. Kept hearing powers instead of home for some reason
The cherry on top is at 16:44. Discord literally laughed at Bill Cipher's face before he died, meaning that in the end, Discord had the last laugh.
@@ARTSONICFAN990 No, the cherry on top was at 14:16. Sorry, couldn't resist.
At first I didn't understood what he meant then I remembered Bill can't escape the Nightmare realm on his own...
That and Weirdmageddon stopped in Equestria (damn it)
You can hear it with his little giggle. “Still… *haha* I’m surprised you…” THATS when his pitch changes with a sinister, evil laugh.
This wasn't just a good death battle animation, this was just good animation, full stop. They did incredible work on this one!
And to top it off the background song has them singing diss lyrics epic rap battles style at each other.
Yep, this is one of the most creative they've done so far. Popeye vs. Saitama is my favorite though.
Great battle love results.
I do feel like everybody overlooks how quickly bill loses his temper (main cause, someone is as strong as him or is able to resist him. Ex: shack a tron and Stan) and how he makes mistakes while mad.
Honestly, that would just make it *more* likely that he’d be so fed up that he goes full throttle and obliterates him. (Which is technically what happened with Time Baby too)
Plus, you still gotta give him credit though. I mean, he did end up figuring out the Shacktron’s weakness afterwards.
@@ICTON123 the thing with the shack is it wouldn’t have been a threat, in multiple clips we see that many of the limbs aren’t covered by the barrier.
He could have just grabbed one of them and smashed it against the ground crushing everyone inside. But he got flustered and just kept punching the barrier, refusing to let something be able to stop him
@@Chaos706
That’s cause in his first go in against the thing (the first giant punch), you can see that the barrier could actually extend far beyond that depending on the size blows he was trying to throw. So it’s not really his fault for not realizing it sooner.
10:33
Just as he snapped, an ad popped up for me. I was genuinely surprised.
Can we all agree that Discord played his trap card perfectly for his heroic death from Bill?
I mean, considering Discord can’t stay permanently dead, yeah it was a genius move.
Death Battle made both characters justice in this fight.
@@stevelucky7579 he cant regenerate his soul he ded for good
@@thomasbusch834nah,.as long as Chaos exists he will exist so...
@@tristancummings5925 the tragedy of this though is he probably won't return before FlutterShy passes from old age ...
I think it's safe to say that Discord knew the whole time what he was doing and while he ultimately would have liked to finish Bill off, he also knew that he had to at least trap him first. This was one of those "victory by technicality" things because it is a fight to the death, but Bill's not pleased with winning.
this makes since
also hearing fluttershy speak in this death battle reminded me why i FREAKING love mlp fim
this show changed my life
thank you
@@somechupacabrawithinternet8866 I watched My Little Pony in second grade because I thought Applejack was hot
Agreed. One of the sadder parts about Discord's sacrifice is that it didn't permanently stop Bill: he did successfully banish Bill away from Equestria, but it's been canonically proven that Bill can take all the time he needs to trick another mortal into opening a portal for him. When Ford stopped working on the portal, Bill just waited a few decades to trick Mabel into opening it (remember, Bill is over 1 trillion years old). Even IF Discord returns to life with knowledge of his opponent's powers (he probably won't, due to his spirit dying), the same applies to Bill once he finds his way back, which cancels out that advantage.
At the same time, though, Discord was obviously low on options to handle Bill. Temporarily banishing Bill back to the Nightmare Realm was probably the smartest and best thing that Discord could've done with the sudden circumstances. If nothing else, he definitely bought time for his friends to hopefully prepare for Bill's return... and I'm sure that even a reality-warping demon like Bill would be better off avoiding a pissed off, vengeful version of _Fluttershy._
the thing is though, he was trapped at the start of the battle, they were never in canterlot, if you look at the portal at the end of the fight, you can see that no damage was done, and that the whole fight was in Discord's fake equestria
That puppet scene was pure genius!
Fun fact. That 10 second scene took 10 hours to film.
Maybe Discord would've won if he wasn't howling at the moon, or sleeping in the middle of a summer afternoon.
I'm honestly surprised that a world of literal magic-casting unicorns weren't more of a barrier against Bill.
they didn't use their hair
The hair isn't so effective you can only make a barrier against bill nothing more plus his really smart
I think you have to link the hair together to form a barrier
BATTLE BETWEEN TWO VILLAINS OF DEATH BATTLE,
You need other ingredients. Unicorn hair is just the most important. Besides, the MLP universe probably didn't even know Bill existed until his arrival.
I’m not an MLP fan but seeing Fluttershy call out Discord that hit me hard and I just wanted to give her a hug.
Me too.
i never liked the show but discord was my favourite character
even though i never knew his name as a kid
Can't say I blame you.
At least on the brightside, he left her a note on how to bring him back to life.
i like hog too dog the
Literally, Not taking the fight Seriously is an Instant defeat the very moment you hear that in the Death Battle Screen.
"A tad Euclidean for my taste." 10/10 line, no notes.
Can we all agreeing there’s no reality warping needed to say this episode will be better than the Cartoon Fight Club version
Now that's a name I haven't heard of in ages
You mean Trash fight club. The channel that seems to downplay Marvel and DC characters and wank Sonic and Dragon Ball characters.
OH MY GOD I HAVE BEEN WAITING 3 DAYS STRAIGHT FOR THIS 😊😊😊😊😊😊
My dry piss is better than a Cartoon Fight Club battle
I can't believe you remember that channel!
I honestly love how Discord sacrificed himself to put Bill back where he belongs to save his friends. Well mainly Fluttershy but basically his friends. An excellent ending for a peak episode!
In the end, Bill may laugh maniacally but Discord had the last laugh
Discord is also able to resurrect himself so even if bill comes back it will happen all over again creating the ultimate tie.
He also left Fluttershy a letter in the end, the same he has been writing before battle started. Discord knew his future and that he will lose.
@@kirbystar7474 I don't think he can in this instance
@@Blaze_the_cat_ Oh, he can. So long as the concept of chaos exists, Discord will always be able to return.
For anyone wondering at the end when Bill does his trademark backwards speak it's "Reality is an illusion, the universe is a hologram, buy gold, bye!" which is one of his trademark lines from the show.
19:24 For those wondering is a cut from the show itself:
“Remember! Reality's an illusion, the universe is a hologram, buy gold! Byeeee!”
― Bill Cipher
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