It is hard to pick one so many feel really important to the story . But yeah Jon Snow being a Targaryen not having any impact on the story at all was really disappointing. Also you are really handsome. I hope all is well on your end, best wishes to you and yours. Have a Merry Christmas.
@@Twinkie_McCream I actually loved it and had 0 expectations. It actually makes the ending hurt even MORE because of how much they made the "Prince that was promised" important and how amazing the house Targaryen was (in all the best-twisted ways) in comparison. Makes Danny's end feel worse, and the fact that Arya killed the night king even worse than Danny's end (I don't mind the descend-into-madness plotline for Danny, all of the Targaryen is cray cray, but they did it SO badly, that it felt out of nowhere and terrible)
@@Twinkie_McCreamthey’re making sure the house of the dragon is amazing just trust it, no rushing production, much more money pushed into it and the dragon battles in season 2 will be better than any battle in game of thrones. It just feels like the stakes are much higher in HOD too, you can tell all out war is coming.
Season 1 - Winter is coming! Season 2 - Winter is coming!! Season 3 - Winter is comingg!!! Season 4 - Winter is comminggg!!!!! Season 5 - Wiiiiinter is commmming!!!!!!! Season 6 - WiiiiinnnTer is commmmmmmingggg!!!! Season 7 - Wiiiiiiiinter issss commmmmmingggggggg!!!!! Season 8 - Oh it's over mate! Peww, close call eh?
During years, every time it got even a little cold outside someone always said "Winter is coming" around me. Not any more. Not even once since season 8. Like the show got erased from existance.
Meera Reed was also abandoned. She was cast off by Bran in a cold fashion, never to be seen or mentioned again. That left so much to be desired, especially when considering the tremendous amount of work and suffering she put in to see Bran all over the North and beyond.
Meera is at home with her dad. Howland Reed has been sitting there waiting for somebody to stop by, or send a raven, to ask him what he saw at the Tower of Joy. Add Howland Reed to the list of the forgotten.
Nah. That's one of the only good scenes in late GOT. What you described is literally the emotion you're intended to feel. Bran casts her aside like she's nothing after Hodor, her brother died for her. After she almost died for him. The "You died in that cave Bran" was a phenomenal line in a season of bad dialogue. Edit: reread this and it sounded a little passive aggressive. Just my opinion :)
YOU try becoming the three eyed raven and knowing the past, present, and future simultaneously and see if YOU don't become emotionless. Made sense to me man idk 😂
I don't think this is an issue tbf. Meera was never really a character who existed in her own right with her own story. Her and Jojen were just facilitators to help get Bran where he needed to be (and in Jojen's case, to introduce Bran to his powers and potential).
I disagree that the show had potential... There was simply no way to tie together these many threads in a satisfactory way. It was a doomed enterprise from the start, it's also why the books can't be finished.
@@piface3016 There's additional reasons, Martin is a deconstructionist, not much of a creator. He knows how to criticize, he WANTS to criticize, & he can put that criticism pretty beautifully, but he can't complete or offer conclusions & solutions. It's why none of them will ever end in satisfying ways & everything that is closed opens five more threads. He can't help but expand at every turn & criticize everything that came earlier.
The one that pissed me off the most was the stuff with The Night King and whitewalkers. For pretty much the entire show they were depicted as these terrifying and near-unstoppable creatures who seemed to be making their way toward King's Landing for some as of yet to be announced reason, but then Arya found them and killed The Night King and that was that. We never discovered what the series' main villain wanted or what his intentions were for everything that he did.
He is the king and the leader of the army of the dead. Like any other king, he is looking for power and goes to war for that. He wants to rule everything. I don't think there's gotta be an explanation for that, seems too obvious.
@@dobleuxyzyeah….no. They were invented by the children of the forest to fight against the first men but typical fashion there is no “stop button” they’re just on auto pilot to finish their original goal to eliminate all men
@dobleuxyz apparently it wasn't obvious for you, since what you explained was obviously not that. Lol they were created to destroy men, not rule, or rule over men.
Right? I thought they should’ve explained more about who the night king was as a human, why they chose him to become the night king, who his generals were, and the motive behind killing the living. Also his death was so anticlimactic. Like you’re telling me this man can warg, is unaffected by dragon fire, is supposedly an unstoppable killing machine, but is taken out with a single knife to the gut? They could’ve done sooo much cooler stuff with him.
Allegedly they were too expensive to animate according the producers (dumb and dumber) I mean that was such a lame excuse you have dragons for god sake!! 😅
@@theladycat9342 but the same thing happens in the books. My take on it was that ol’ George started out with one idea of where he was going with the series (a high adventure with lots of magic and monsters) and later decided to go another (a character driven story more about human nature).
It’s funny how Jamie and Cersei stood there all dramatic and let the ruble fall on their heads… When all they had to do was take 2 steps to the left and they would have been perfectly fine. Literally every archway held up perfectly. Tyrion was able to walk right up and see them. 😂
tbh no...they couldn't run outta kings landing and stayong in kings landing meant dying by the hand of dyneris anyways...so they just accepted their death and spet their last moment in each others arms....cersie's desperation for her and her child's life and then them passing out together i think was a beautiful moment as much as i hate the character....ofcourse it is just my opinion
@@leeknowsnothing When Tyrion finds them, everything around them was fully intact!! He only had to move 1 or 2 rocks to find them lol. Had they actually been buried by rubble, he would’ve never found them.
The abandoned Jaqen H`ghar-plotline annoys me the most. I think he was a brilliant mysterious and powerful character who could have done much more to lead to a final conclusion
Honestly, I don't really see this as an abandoned plot line at all. There's no such person as Jaqen Hghar, it's the very point of being a faceless man but that's not how people like to enjoy TV shows, it's why certain characters are kept on sometimes when they're planned to be killed off. I would say it would be a mistake even to bring the actor back at all
@@wmandthingsbut what was that faceless man who was using the name Jaqen H'ghar doing in westeros? Why was he in the cage? Where did he go and what did he do after he changed his face in front of Arya and gave her the coin?
@@dqrr4150 even if he dies same way in books, he still has his daughter, which is true heir to the throne, his wife which is dumb but still loves them both, and he still has this guy who went to braavos to buy an army. Also, i don't think stannis will die anyway
That goddamn “Bran is the Night King” edit put me near to tears because a twist that cool would have easily made up for how shit they did the White Walker and Three Eyes Raven plots 😭😭😭😭
@@CultureVultureMedia1 Like it? You singlehandedly fixed this show with such a brilliantly simple idea. Fuck D&D and their Xmen Origins Wolverine no talent having asses.
I almost included it in the video too. As awful as that goodbye was, it did bare the semblance of a resolution. If I'd included it, people might object and say things like "you just didn't like how it ended" and they wouldn't be wrong.
How is that "abandoned"? She said, "That's not you." Reflecting on how she felt when forced to go the "girl" activities. She realizes she has to let her dire wolf go and is going on her own path. The same way Arya did; she realizes she needs to respect that. There couldn't be any more closure there than you needed.
@@craigmiller4184 I just think that giving a beginning and an end doesn't make a development. To me it just felt like the writers suddenly remembered about the wolf and had to think about some improvised ending to it.
In the books there is a small chapter where Nymeria is leading a freaking giant pack of direwolves around Westeros all by herself while Arya is away becoming faceless and with Wargs being a thing I was like holy crap the Long Night is going to have a DIREWOLF ARMY in the middle of it and I am so sad that we will probably never get the payoff to any of this amazing story.
Isn't it Jon? He is the one who led the defeat of the White Walkers and it turned out he was royalty. I know they never said it explicitly, but I just figured it was him.
This. And that’s why George hasn’t finished that last book. He can’t; not with smoothly and adequately tying up all those threads in a way that’s still good, emotionally satisfying, storytelling.
This scene has scarred me in the best way possible. It was so emotion evoking that to this day when I think about it I shiver. It breaks my heart to know that his whole life was taken from him for him to sustain to that very moment. It breaks my heart.
Because he's not SUPPOSED to affect the past....the 3 Eyed Raven is supposed to Observe only NEVER interfere; which is why the 3 Eyed before Bran tried to warn/stop him of interfering because look at what he did to Hodor
I thought the books suggested (well, that was my take on it) that Jon's soul entered his wolf when he died which is how he came back 'whole' after his body was healed. The wolves were the biggest abandoned thing I think
People only call out the last season as being the demise of the show, but I'd argue it started going downhill far before that. Season 6 (when they ran out of book material) is when it all unraveled for me
Depends where the writing left off. The writing for Sansa ended as she was leaving the Vale. Tyrion was on his way to Bravos. John had been killed. Everything beyond where their story left off just tanked the show.
The last 2 episodes of season 6 are literally the highest rating episodes of all Game of Thrones. So no. I'd say some character writing is tho little bit bad in season 6, but season 7 is the first season when the quality dropped. But i still think season 7 have some good moments. Season 8 other hand.... it's another story lol. Edit. And of course season 5 have some bad moments, but still many great episodes. Hardhome is amazing! Seasons 1-4 perfect television and they follow books, but also season 6 is awesome. At least the second half of the season.
You missed Ser Ilyn Payne disapearing after season 2. Also, the last Warg scenes were in season 4 with the Thenns. PS: did you catch when was Loras describing his wedding to Sansa, he mentioned the dress having "french sleeves"? How does anyone in Westeros know what french sleeves are?
Oh yeah shoot, Arya's list is sort of abandoned in that it's technically not completed. I suppose the do wrap it up with the Hound talking her out of a hateful life pursing revenge, but to not complete the list is a red hot mistake. I even brought this up in Every Error in Game of Thrones Season 8... Can't believe I forgot that for this video haha
@@PapagenoDispo BTW Wilko Johnson, the actor who played Ilyn Payne, passed away in November of last year at the age of 75, almost 6 years after having won the battle against pancreatic cancer, one of the most deadly forms of cancer, with a near 90% mortality rate.
@@Daniel-rp7nb why though? for the most part it seems that people don't change they just become more of themselves. He was always going to go back to Cercei. Dany was always going to torch King's Landing. Arya was always going to go by herself. Jon was always going to end up going North. Literally none of this is a surprise.
Thank you for reminding me how badly they fumbled the bag with the last 2-ish seasons of Game of Thrones, after 5 years I had almost forgotten my anger about this :)
@@okami-z1b well, I haven't read the books and tbh don't intend to until they're finished (if that ever happens) so I can't speak on that. I enjoyed the first 5ish seasons a lot and still do when I rewatch them ^^
A major loss could've happened with the time travel loop, the mad king, Bran could have tried to send msgs back about burning all the white walkers but the only msg that got through was "burn them all"
I assumed he got his vengeance. You know he wasn't going to let him go join the high court and have a cup of tea. I think they wanted to save us from unnecessary torture scenes.
It was amazing for like 4-5 seasons, because it felt like there was plenty room for all the mysteries to unfold, and so we waited in anticipation for it. And then there were like 3 seasons left, not much explained, everything was rushed Arya pulled off some Marvel level bs, and then the story was all over. I didn't even bother to finish the series after Varys' execution. At that point, it was such a bs
To me, the Iron Bank was the most egregious abandoned plot line. I envisioned them as some super powerful mafioso type of organization, and wanted to see the Iron Bank in full retribution mode. Cool that the show touched upon the economic underpinnings of running an empire; but sadly, touching upon the subject is as far as that subplot went. In a grander scale, I have a theory that "A Song of Fire and Ice" was meant to foreshadow the eventual coming together and conclusive rule of Daenerys Targaryen (fire) and Jon Snow (ice). However, too many people figured out that this was the direction the books/show was going, and so the ending pivoted nonsensically in an effort to (ack) sUbVeRt eXpEcTaTiOnS.
In my beliefs, it is actually the fate of our world that fire will return to the vertical and water return to horizontal, combining with fire as the cross of Fire and Water. Fire symbolises Sun, Spirit. Water symbolises Moon, Material. Our current civilisation prioritises money and materials and the water aspect. It is upside down as Spirit is primary. Both spirit and material are important but Spirit is primary and when the incorrect order is followed, problems arise.
@@Thantaos9 Do you like Game of Thrones? How about the fact that in the show, the rise of the dragons awakens the magic in the land, seemingly. Similarly, in our world, great deities of a certain lineage are coming back into power. This transition is resisted by opposing deities and in fact they are fighting each other. Spirit and Physical are connected, with the Spirit as primary. What happens in Spirit is reflected in our world of the Physical.
I believe Jon himself _is_ the Song of Ice and Fire. He's half Stark (ice) and half Targaryen (fire), so we don't even need Daenerys to bring the fire.
Granted, the Iron Bank wouldn't likely go for a typical repossession. I'd imagine their retribution to be more subtle. Backing your opponents and taking the Bank's shares of the spoils through them. Shifting the power through renegotiated trade agreements, rerouting commerce into different cities. Pirates getting hints of the escort ships being delayed or crews not in a battleready state. At first unwise lords don't really notice, then its to late.
The way Petyr Baelish died was perfect. He got outed a liar and a little b*tch. And he died by the hands of Sansa and Arya finally realizing theyre stronger working together while they have never gotten along before.
YESS! Littlefinger’s death was my absolute favorite in the whole series! He got outmaneuvered by the girl he’d been manipulating for 7 seasons. He didn’t deserve pomp & circumstance - and they even had him on his knees begging by the end ✨chefs kiss✨
I fast forwarded that part in the show when I watched it because I was so annoyed by that point, so I was so confused 😂 I literally thought the edits were real and that I just missed that part 😂
David & Dan before season 5: "all right before we get to the main characters let's think about how we resolve all the other plot lines, shall we?" "Ok. How about Dorne?" "Yeah mhh.. Oh! How about we kill literally every single character?" "I mean that resolves the plot right? Sounds good" "What about Littlefinger?" "He gets killed." "Varys?" "How about... he dies?" "Ilyrio?" "Who?" "Stannis?" "Oh that's easy. He is killed." "Melisandre?" "Dead." "Mance?" "Light him on fire." "The Tyrells?" "Put them all in one place and light it on fire." "The Sparrows?" "Oh i know which place to light on fire." "Cersei and Jaime?" "Well they can die together so it ties back to something..idk" "What about Brienne though?" "Oh yeah she needs to bang Jaime to complete her arc." "The Greyjoys?" "Theon gets redemption by... dying." "Euron and Yara though?" "Euron dies. Yara idk." "The Brotherhood?" "Well Beric can die for good now." "Meereen?" "Everyone who doesn't need to be in Westeros dies." "Braavos?" "Let's just give Arya a power-up and then leave." "The Tarlys?" "Who? Oh Sams family.. they die. Haha Dickon.." "Brans crew?" "All dead? Yes, even Hodor." "Rickon?" "You mean Dickon?" Like... literally every character arc except the 5 main ones either ends with them dying before we really know what's going on or they just stick around and do nothing.
The bolton , the tyrells , the tarlys and etc Were wasted by D&D due to they want to get rid of minor character in very quick ways so they can focus on the main character in Season 7-8 But they still fucked up anyway
That tends to happen when you create vast epic fantasy universes. Even Tolkien suffered from this. He had so many stories and plots that were never finished or completed and he died before he could do anything with them. One big one is the brief and mysterious mention of 2 other blue Wizards who are only mentioned in passing when Gandalf remembers that there were 2 other Wizards besides Saruman and Radagast. We know from Saruman's account that he was the last to see these blue Wizards who travelled to the east but were never seen again. They could have died, became evil and fell into the service of Sauron, or had their own intentions that would be good or bad.
@@kyleenglot9184 Blue wizards never were a plot or subplot, they were just a brief mention serving a world enrichment. I liked it, the sense of 2 beings on the power level of Gandalf dissipating in the vastness of the Tolkien world But Martin created so much suspense, so many epic plotlines which demand satisfying conclusions, that expectations are beyond insane
If you read the books, all you have to say is mid way season 3 you know the show makes no sense because the show merged / excluded way too many characters that are all vital for the subplots that affect the main plotline. Its like baking a vanilla sponge cake with no eggs, no yeast, no sugar, no vanilla flavor... Just flour and water. Essentially missing all the key ingredients that make a cake a cake rather than some flat bread.
They did my man Jaime dirty. Not only do I have mad respect for the actor who portrays him, but the character also became one of my favorites in the underrated A Feast for Crows. It seemed to me a grim and accurate portrait of war and what it does to a person. The show... Just.... Why?
A Feast for Crows has Jaime burn the letter Cersei sends begging him to come back to her and defend her from the Faith. In the show, he drops everything and goes back to her and dies with her for no real reason, undoing all of his character growth across the entire show, and it is never really commented on....so insane.
And when Arya learns to water dance from the master of swords from Bravos... It looked like they would be something related to this but nothing apart from be laughed at by Sandor.
My older brother spent years waiting for the Wheel of Time series to be finished. When I tried to get him to read ASOIAF he said he will never start another series that isn't complete again. With what the end of the show was and no books on the horizon, I think bro is right.
They abandoned the plot point of killing major characters. Will never understand how so many characters survived to the end - especially in huge battles like the long night. I feel like that shows how much the show lost sight of itself + what it was about. That's not to say characters were killed off for the sake of it - but the high stakes, multiple motivations, characters you were rooting for having conflicting goals, etc. It lost it's teeth!
The reason there is still a nights watch (and this is mentioned) is because they still need a place for criminals, it acts as a community service in a way.
The song of ice and fire is literally a prophesy about the promised prince. A targaryan. As far as we've seen in House of the Dragons his name is Aegon (Jon's real name). Said prince is meant to end with the eternal night a.k. white walkers. Anyway here you go take Arya killing the white king and forget about the Song of Ice and Fire.
@@Thecrimsonking01 I've always thought it would make sense for him to be named Aemon due to it being another common Targaryen name, his parallels with Maester Aemon, and the fact that Aegon was already taken by his brother
@@brandf.7691 you're making a good point. I like aemon for the reasons you said and think it's a cooler name. I believe should be Viserys because rhaegar was naming his children after Aegon and the original siblings that conquerd. So Jon would be named after Visenya. So I think Viserys is Jon's real name.
right! the war of the 5 kings could continue still with ALL the children and possible heirs. Could have been ramped up after Cersei loses all of her children.
Feel like he succumbs to the same thing as Jaime/Brienne - the writers crumble to fan service and just do a cutesy relationship and forget anything interesting about the characters. Ngl I hated Brienne and Jaime's arc because of how they seemed to become nothing but a possible relationship for fans to scream over, and Gendry kinda goes the same way as they have Arya and him hook up before ditching him.
This is why GRRM wont finish the books, and why everyone hates D&D for the last seasons. GRRM is amazing at creating a huge epic world, with tons of memorable characters, but converging all the plotlines he's made into a solid ending is a nightmare and would take twice as long (and likely still messed up). One of the best parts of GoT is also why it is a huge mess. Book readers will be super mad about this, but for the show the screenwriters really needed to cut characters and plots, including them just left us with a horribly rushed ending that we all hated.
"a romance nobody asked for"... I was extremely invested in Brienne and Jaime. I never expected them to end up together and be happy because this is ASOIAF but Brienne was so important to Jaime's arc and he to her's. The good end to Brienne's arc would be to finally receive love, especially from an honorable, kind man that she had originally fantasized was Renly or someone like him. Jaime wasn't perfect, but he was a lot more real than Renly, and he clearly cared for her. And for Jaime, it would have been the perfect end to his redemption to find a love in someone who could not be more different than Cersei. Brienne was kind and truthful and would have loved him in a healthy way. I think being able to see the potential in their love makes him going back to the toxic, all consuming relationship with Cersei all the more tragic. I would not doubt that is really what happens in the books, it was just written very poorly in the show. Brienne was his chance at a normal life, but in the end he couldn't escape his self destruction.
I think you took what he said to literal. He’s not saying literally nobody wanted it, but I took it as most people didn’t care about it because it was not an integral part of the shows endgame. Had the show gone 13 seasons like HBO wanted it would have been fine to add in, but since the show was so condensed the last 2 seasons it felt like an unnecessary storyline that ate up time and went nowhere.
Pet theory, the spiral is a fey rune that blocks the vision and power of the three eyed raven. They were painting the north with spirals so the night king could operate unopposed and unmonitored. It was a sinkhole of the three eyed ravens focus.
I liked the end of Littlefinger, his mistake was not realising that Sansa is not young Sansa anymore and Arya is a Faceless assassin. Begging for his life was on point. Cutting his throat was too nice though.
I feel like tyrion saying all the things he said during the trial was more of him just letting loose of all his frustration and suffering, not necesarly of him turning evil lmao
Howland Reed is abandoned! Someone mentioned about everyone in Bran’s crew died but not everybody died. Meera didn’t die and supposedly she went back to her father, and then Howland never makes an appearance, especially when he was so important. He was there at the tower of joy, he was there at the tourney of Harrenhall when Rhaegar crowned Lyanna Stark the queen of love of beauty and was privy to all of the events as Lyanna was defending him, and he probably knew a lot more about what happened there than anyone else. I don’t think it was mentioned in the show but in the book Rob tried to send word to him to make sure that the Lannister‘s didn’t reach the neck, so presumably after Rob died nothing happened, but we hear absolutely nothing even after that dies and Rob dies hell and does nothing. He sends his children, one dies and still does nothing.
This is true, he’s literally the only person that knows the truth about Jon after Ned died. He was mentioned a few times in the show, and probably would have been brought in eventually if Dave and Dan didn’t convince HBO to wrap up the show in 13 episodes for the final two seasons.
Another abandoned plot line is the Tyrell family. The definitely should not have died in a random explosion. I also think there’s more to ser gregor and the hound’s storyline I also wanna add that they add a lot of symbolism to flames as Varys was left to hear voices in the flame by a sorcerer. The hound also sees ice in the flames. But nothing is ever explained Plus…the Horn of Winter is a legendary artifact with the power to bring down the Wall. It was teased in the show but never addressed or included in the storyline. Other abandon plot lines; Gendry’s bloodline, Cersei’s prophecy that her younger brother will kill her never happened, the dire wolves, the brotherhood without banners, house Tully’s fate, the crypts of winter fell should have connection to white walkers or Ancient magic, qyburn’s experiments, Sam well Tarly’s discoveries, Caitlyn stark, Melisandre, quaithe, asshai, uncle benjen, maester aemon, just so much….😢
I thought the explanation for Podrick and the girls was that he sang to them. The scene in season 8 when everyone was preparing before the battle of the long night showed Podrick surprising everyone with his amazing voice. It was implied that this was his secret to making the girls so happy they refused his payment.
That’s what I surmised as well! Wasn’t 100% about it though. Edit- I don’t think this was a super important thread to continue weaving, though. It was basically fan fiction at this point. I feel that most of the dialogue in the last two seasons were fan fiction or repetitive call backs from previous seasons. So disappointing, coming from a show that had the best writing ever. Smh
@@Tao_Tology I’m not sure who your comment was directed towards, but I was extrapolating based on the way Podrick and other characters were written in the show. Even Tyrion and Bronn we’re curious and impressed rather than insecure. It seems unlikely that Podrick would be a sexual prodigy having no previous experience with women before that scene in season 3.
@@philosopherking506 Lol, no dear (and, please, don't pretend you were in any way confused). People (men) who watched the show/read the books who are _so_ set on knowing 'but....what was the gimmick??'
@@Tao_Tology It is unreasonable to assume the motives of other viewers on the basis of your own biases. I could just as easily say, "People (women) who watched the show project their own insecurities and resentments onto the characters and other viewers." but that would not be fair or necessarily accurate. How would such an argument account for people of the opposite sex who also interpreted that plot point in such a way?
so i personally was mostly under the impression that the three-eyed raven’s larger purpose was being the embodiment of the entire history of man. they knew all, past present and future, including the creation of the others/white walkers and who the night king truly was. but bran’s “transfer” was interrupted and unfinished thus leaving holes for him to have to figure out himself, slowly. that’s why he couldn’t “see” everything. that was the whole reason the night king touched him, tracked him like a damn deer and tried to kill them all. to stop the “transfer” and essentially erase the past forever. because without the history of man, they can have their eternal night and effectively exterminate anything and everyone other than them from all existence permanently. now all of the other super cool branch-offs, easter eggs, storylines and inferences surrounding the three-eyed raven part as a whole were definitely totally abandoned. but i always just assumed that the main purpose and importance of the TER was having the ability to see and know all.
"I was binging Game of Thrones for the 8th time, as you do" - a very true statement, at least the first four seasons, after that it starts going downhill.
The faceless men would presumably hate the walkers cause “all men must die” and the walkers are undead men, so they could’ve tied that into why they let Arya go
Seriously! This pissed me off as much as anything from the show and that says a lot. Not even looking back to see where the arrow was in flight and simply moving out of its trajectory
This whole section made no sense to me - rickon not able to dodge a long falling arrow, Jon’s forces attacking like a rabble, with no tactics, allowing that slow moving encirclement- the wildlings are highly mobile, it’s crazy they get pinned down - the battle of the bastards have some cool visuals but made sense as a battle
That was so true for me before season 8 released… I haven’t been able to binge through it since… (I watched the series 8-9 times before season 8 came out, now I can’t even make it through season 5) 😢😢😢
@@darthinkarnatus7264 I feel the same way. This video made me realize how much I dislike season 8 because I barely rewatch that season. I like rewatching from season 1 - 4, 5 is where I fall off a little bit and six is a hit and miss for me on some aspects. I think that’s why rewatching the show is kind of lackluster, knowing how it ended. It just really sucks 😂😅
@@darthinkarnatus7264same . I watched season 1-6 so many times but I can't make myself rewatch season 7 and 8. The first 4 seasons are definitely so much better than the rest of the show.
This is hilariously sad, this show actually could’ve been phenomenal if even half of these abandoned plot lines were not missed by the show. Thank you for addressing these inconsistencies and plot holes ❤😂
Agree with most but not a couple. 1- I felt they did a good job with Sansa's redemption. She always wanted to be queen but for the wrong reasons (wear pretty dresses and make babies). She ended up a capable, strong queen for the right reasons. 2- Lauria Martel was left to watch her daughter die slowly from the poison and it's implied strongly that she's left with no food or water so she would have died just days later, well before Kings Landing fell.
I’m actually rewatching the first few seasons for the second time. And spread out enough it isn’t bad. I just literally end it after season 6 episode 10 and read fan endings :)
@8:45 I have to disagree and I've had this argument with friends and coworkers ad nauseum. Jamie's arc wasn't abandoned. It was totally fulfilled. His heart, which is what had led him to make every and all of his decisions, is what we saw in his death. The things we do for love. He was MADLY, DEEPLY, and PAINFULLY in love. He died making a hard decision to comfort and be with the one he truly loved. I think it's beautiful and people's cheapening of it by claiming it's plot abandonment, kills me. I know I'm in a major minority here though it's just how I feel.
That Bran is the Night King edit is amazing. Although i always thought that a cool twist would've been Bran was actually Bloodraven and when the Night King killed him he jumped into Bran's body as his ultimate goal was to get the iron throne and that's why the Night King was after Bran as Bran wasn't the new three eyed raven he is bloodraven.
Another abandoned plot line is greyscale. How did Shireen survive it? Why was it so easy for Sam to find a cure? Does greyscale have anything to do with dragons and the Targaryen?
Thought the implication was that Pod sang for the prostitutes and were so moved they didn't take his money. There is sort of a reoccurring theme in the series where people with truly good hearts (as few as there are) have naturally beautiful singing voices.
@@AlecDinkleshit-yo5np Ya but is he really morally corrupt. He talks a big game about how bad he is but do we ever really see him behave in the manner he likes to portray himself. I'd argue the opposite, bronn is almost always acting compassionately. From saving Jamie from a suicidal charge against a dragon, too defending Tyrion when no one else would, to getting rid of the criminals before the seige of kings landing to protect the vulnerable. He doesn't even cheat on his fiance whith the sand snake he sings for. I even think the implication of him bringing Shae to tryrion's tent was that he rescued her from an aggressive lanister. I think the entire point of Bron being shown to have a decent singing voice is a way of subtly letting the audience know he's not as bad as he likes to pretend he is.
@@riftvallance2087 Great insight re character development/depiction. Bronn also actually helps those he serves, as opposed to "helping' in ways that undermine or even harm the recipient of help. Plus he's got great lines. "You pay me to kill people you don't like. Evil notions come free."
@@riftvallance2087Bronn is not morally corrupt. He is a good guy who says a lot of mean shit. He is materialistic and a social climber but he does have compassion and honour.
OK but the night's watch was always way more of a way to banish lords without killing them. No one believed it actually had a purpose outside the north which was why it was so understaffed.
What the fuck ? What the hell dude. The nights watch literally stopped the first long night along with the starks and it was a deal between white walkers and starks . Probably the night watch was even created by the white walkers after they returned north. Because they were winning somehow they made a deal with westeros to stop the fight and he wall was made always needing a night king , this being a stark and being married to a white walker. There is a lot more about the nights watch connected to rhaegar Targaryen , the song of ice and fire and the starks along with the old ones. It's not just a " way to banish lords "
@@davorzdralo8000 in got world yes but the dude knows so he shouldn't act like if that´s all there is to it even more so if all these things are important in the present in got books , for a reason there is that story and lore , john snow and other might connect to that .
Sure, but in-universe, why would the night's watch continue doing that? F that shit, there's so many empty castles and broken families looking for missing heirs around
According to GRRM, each Targaryen king passes the secret knowledge of the song of ice and fire (Aegon’s dream) to their heir. Rhaegar would have been a king, and in the House of the Undying, he looks up at Dany when he says “he is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire.” "His eyes met Dany’s, and it seemed as if he saw her standing there beyond the door.” Time flows very differently in the House of the Undying. Willem Darry ( the kinght who smuggled Dany and Viserys to Essos) and Robb also seem to see Dany. So here Rhaegar is directly passing his knowledge on to Dany, like the other Targaryen kings. This is the ONLY scene like it in asoiaf, the only time a Targaryen (would be) king passes his knowledge of the song of ice and fire onto an heir. “The old woman LOOKED AT DANY almost as if she was afraid. The PRINCE is riding, and he shall be the stallion who mounts the world.” “The stallion is the khal of khals PROMISED in ancient prophecy, child.” GRRM told you who The Prince That Was Promised is in 1996. But what does the stallion have to do with tptwp? The Stallion is very clearly the Dothraki name for Azor Ahai, TPTWP. Every culture has its own version of the same hero. In the Shadowlands beyond Asshai, the people describe ghost grass as “taller than a man on horseback with stalks as pale as milkglass.” The Dothraki claim that one day [ghost grass will] murder all other grass and [glow] in the dark with the spirits of the damned & also claim that when this comes to pass, the ghost grass will “cover the entire world and then all life will end.” The stallion will “ride his khalasar to the ends of the earth,” likely a reference to the north and beyond the wall, and the theme of humanity uniting in Dany’s arc. The Stallion prophecy is positive bc it’s how Dany is will save the dothraki from the long night. Most of people have also been brainwashed by the show into thinking that DRAGON FIRE won’t work on the others bc of the show’s bizarre assertion that somehow dragon glass will work on them but dragon fire won’t lmao.
Yeah, but its a TV show. Lore goes out the window when fans fall in love with certain characters. Can't follow canon when viewership numbers are at play. It's bullshit, but it will never change. Eventually you will see, if there are future series, "based on the books of George RR Martin". They'll most likely fuck up HOTD, too. Rhaenyra won't be eaten, she'll live and one of her bastard sons as well for fan purposes. Probably have Daemon survive and Lucerys turn up healing in some small fishing village, because it draws people in. Bad guys die and good guys survive. Directors live by that shit because no one likes an open ended or bad ending story. Look at The Sopranos. They learned their lesson. No one knows who killed Tony or if he lived. People called their cable providers bitching that their service went out. It cost money. We saw the same with their "interpretation" of ASOIAF. The fan favorites win and everyone else is shit.
George already confirmed that the show canon and book canon are separate. In that scene with baby Aego, Elia, and Rhaegar, I think that was after the maester told Rhaegar and Elia that she couldn't have another child without killing herself. Rhaegar sees a vision of Daenerys and thinks that's his third head of the dragon, his Visenya to go along with Rhaenys and Aegon who were already born. Thus he thinks he must have a child with Lyanna to bring this girl whom he has had a vision of into existence not knowing that it's not his daughter but actually his sister projecting herself into the past same as Bran did with Hodor.
You make me remember how i Looooooooved that series until the last season or so,... now for me it is history and I look down on it because the last season ruined all my fond memories of the show.
I always thought the perfect ending to the show would be Varys and Little Finger having one last conversation in the back of the Iron Throne room, after surviving everything. The room could be in ruins or whatever, but they end up bowing to each other for a game well played. Instead, they both became these non-factors that were killed off for understandable reasons, but could've been used so much better in the last 2-3 seasons.
Disgusting. 🤮 Littlefinger is a sex trafficker and Varys a schemer and plotter that plunged the realm into war twice. Prostitutes in the books are not treated well in Westeros. The Courtesans in Braavos are.
Nah the perfect ending would be Varys and Little Finger have a one on one fist fight, and Varys punches Lil finger so hard he is empaled on the iron throne
Many of those could be simply bundled together under "The writing in last two seasons was abysmally bad, with last two episodes of the show being the apex of incompetence".
Yes the writing was bad, but the condensing of the show was the real issue. HBO wanted to go 12 or 13 seasons, but they somehow, someway let David and Dan convince them that they could wrap it all up in 13 episodes for the last 2 seasons. A huge blunder from HBO, David and Dan wanted out and HBO was too scared to bring in other people to continue the show, so they agreed to let them wrap it up in 13 episode’s. This is why all the plot lines were closed out unanswered, they didn’t have the time in the condensed 13 episodes. But yes, the writing sucked as well because Benioff and Weiss thought they were more clever than George R.R. Martin with plot twists and “subverting expectations” as they put it. They were exposed as a couple of hacks after they ran out of the book material.
Not only did you dissect the terrible handling of all these plotlines, but also came up with answers on your own on possibilities they could have went down, which would all have been significant better than what we got (Obviously, since what we got was terrible in every way). Imagine one person being able to do this, and then the whole team of GoT, couldnt give us anything at all . Truly a tragedy how they just threw everything out the window, after Season 4. It shows how little passion everyone involved had by the end, compared to someone like yourself. Great video, like & subscribed mate.
A show don't need to answer every question, and the minor ones are no point in allocating time on. But the Long Night anti-climax, Daenerys descent in such an awfully portrayed way and the abandonment of character driven focus are unforgivable :( can't imagine how the actors felt by this
I haven't watched a single episode or read a single page since the finale, and it's been years since I saw a video about GoT. These characters and plotlines hadn't even entered my thoughts for a LONG time. This video made me realize that I forgot why I used to be so obsessed with the series. This was good content.
I was under the impression that the White Walkers are never truly permanently defeated and they will always come back some day and that's why the Night's Watch never dissolves.
I mean... individual WWs clearly die... they get blasted into a thousand shards of ice by dragonglass or Valyrian steel weapons... But the creation of new WWs never truly died so long as The Night King existed - but as he was the ultimate source of the curse of the WW, when he died, they all died with him.
I was reading ASOIAF and watching this series ONLY because I was desperate to know WHY, WHY, WHYYYYY White Walkers do what they're doing. What's their PURPOSE. And only for D&D to kill them ALL without any explanation... I've never been that much BUTTHURTED
The story was obviously leading to Jon and Dany marrying and uniting the realm by restoring Targaryen rule. D&D decided that was too obvious, so they jumped the track without any build up and gave us a ridiculous finish, valuing the surprise more than the hardwork of plot development.
Well by saying this you, along with D&D are assuming the ending. Martin has no ending yet and ill be damned if we get one as of this rate. Dude is too arrogant to make and ending similar to something else. That's why its been this long to actually know an ending.
D&D said that Martin told them the ending and they wrote to it. Martin can't finish his novels because the ending was so poorly received that he has to think of a new one.@@therealchannelrap
@@AxelQC I agree that he supposedly told them this ending with Bran as the king, but they did no build up to it. However, I very much doubt he would change them in his novels because it was poorly received. He will build it up a lot better than D&D did and it will make sense, I assume. But let's be real, we aren't going to get the ending, it took him this long to write the 6th book, it's gonna take him over 2 decades to write the last one. He'd be well over 95 years old at that point.
"obviously" I don't know about that. Dany was written from the get-go as an "enlightened despot" type of person, a dictator that's first among equals and attempts to purge entire classes (as she tried to do with the slaveowners in Essos). The entire story is about how the pursuit of power ruins you and the people around you. All in all I don't think the ending was wrong in general concept. it's just that it was rushed by the showrunners and sucked.
To be fair with the Night's Watch, they haven't been seen as an honourable organisation for years by the time of the series; they're seen more as a glorified penal colony. The Watch will still be used as a place to send criminals. May as well still use it.
Little Finger was the one who had to explain what the Faceless Men were to Sansa, or it was at least implied that he very much knew who and what they were and how they operated. In the episode where he dies(or perhaps the one before that), he's seen paying some messenger off and then parting ways. There was a fan theory at the time that the Littingfinger that Arya killed was just a Faceless Men, but this idea was also abandoned. It would also explain the uncharacteristic-like begging just before his end.
You thought his begging was a characteristic? The guy was a wiener. He knows he’s a wimp and makes sure he’s never anywhere near the front lines while still making moves to get the power he craves. So yeah when he’s looking death in the eye he shits himself because he’s suddenly completely powerless and and there’s nothing left for him to do but beg. Needless to say I hate this character like a lot and the only bad part about him dying is that it was too quick.
Manipulators are like that of course he would beg when he thinks he cannot do anything anymore. But if he was spared he would start scheming again for sure. The begging was his last act but it didn’t work.
Out of these, which plot line would you have like to see resolved the most? 🧐
The Azor Ahai/White Walkers plot 😞
It is hard to pick one so many feel really important to the story . But yeah Jon Snow being a Targaryen not having any impact on the story at all was really disappointing. Also you are really handsome. I hope all is well on your end, best wishes to you and yours. Have a Merry Christmas.
@@C-White-88 I'm leaning towards Jon Targaryen too.
And thank you, all the best to you as well, merry Christmas!
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@@CultureVultureMedia1 you're most welcome and thank you and thanks for the great content.
Lol when this guy said "subscribe for that nerds" my heart fluttered haha
the white walkers spiral symbolizes all the theories and our hopes going down the drain on the last season of the show :)
Indeed, couldn't have said it better. lol
Profound!
Great Comment!
Too true
this one bugged me so much they keep throwing it in our face lol
That picture of Littlefinger and Sansa is a masterpiece 😂
Glad you liked that one ;)
pls enter time
@@djonketchup2597 1:12 it really is a good picture
You're goddamn right.
👌😂
The entire show was one giant abandoned plot line.
I still wonder why Bron went beyond the wall? I know that's probably just a throwaway line lol but it's still interesting.
This video horrifically sums up why I can’t rewatch the series… knowing it went nowhere is too painful
Or any spin offs
I’m giving House of the Dragon a chance, but it’s already on thin ice…
@@Twinkie_McCream I actually loved it and had 0 expectations. It actually makes the ending hurt even MORE because of how much they made the "Prince that was promised" important and how amazing the house Targaryen was (in all the best-twisted ways) in comparison. Makes Danny's end feel worse, and the fact that Arya killed the night king even worse than Danny's end (I don't mind the descend-into-madness plotline for Danny, all of the Targaryen is cray cray, but they did it SO badly, that it felt out of nowhere and terrible)
@@Twinkie_McCreamthey’re making sure the house of the dragon is amazing just trust it, no rushing production, much more money pushed into it and the dragon battles in season 2 will be better than any battle in game of thrones. It just feels like the stakes are much higher in HOD too, you can tell all out war is coming.
Just watch 1-4. That's what I did
Season 1 - Winter is coming!
Season 2 - Winter is coming!!
Season 3 - Winter is comingg!!!
Season 4 - Winter is comminggg!!!!!
Season 5 - Wiiiiinter is commmming!!!!!!!
Season 6 - WiiiiinnnTer is commmmmmmingggg!!!!
Season 7 - Wiiiiiiiinter issss commmmmmingggggggg!!!!!
Season 8 - Oh it's over mate! Peww, close call eh?
No shit. terrible
Season 8 end of episode 2 Winter is here, Season 8 end of episode 3 Winter is gone 😮💨
During years, every time it got even a little cold outside someone always said "Winter is coming" around me. Not any more. Not even once since season 8. Like the show got erased from existance.
@@laurocoman: LOLS GOOD RIDDANCE, OF BULLSHIT!😆😂😂😂
(The Late) Kevin Samuel's: Winter is coming.
Meera Reed was also abandoned. She was cast off by Bran in a cold fashion, never to be seen or mentioned again. That left so much to be desired, especially when considering the tremendous amount of work and suffering she put in to see Bran all over the North and beyond.
Meera is at home with her dad. Howland Reed has been sitting there waiting for somebody to stop by, or send a raven, to ask him what he saw at the Tower of Joy.
Add Howland Reed to the list of the forgotten.
Nah. That's one of the only good scenes in late GOT. What you described is literally the emotion you're intended to feel. Bran casts her aside like she's nothing after Hodor, her brother died for her. After she almost died for him.
The "You died in that cave Bran" was a phenomenal line in a season of bad dialogue.
Edit: reread this and it sounded a little passive aggressive. Just my opinion :)
Yeah they had a fight about something, and she strops off, and that's it, that was her exit. She's sulking in a puddle somewhere
YOU try becoming the three eyed raven and knowing the past, present, and future simultaneously and see if YOU don't become emotionless. Made sense to me man idk 😂
I don't think this is an issue tbf. Meera was never really a character who existed in her own right with her own story. Her and Jojen were just facilitators to help get Bran where he needed to be (and in Jojen's case, to introduce Bran to his powers and potential).
i feel like my old wounds have opened and salt poured on them, thanks for video
My pleasure ;)
Couldn't say it better. Season 8 is even more painful for me than the red wedding.
@@CultureVultureMedia1what's your insta handle... You're very attractive
I forgot how many plotlines where dropped. damn the potential of this series
massive potential, poor implementation
The plotlines that weren't mentioned: The entire series. Martin's never finishing the last book.
@@pubcle Last TWO books.
I disagree that the show had potential... There was simply no way to tie together these many threads in a satisfactory way. It was a doomed enterprise from the start, it's also why the books can't be finished.
@@piface3016 There's additional reasons, Martin is a deconstructionist, not much of a creator. He knows how to criticize, he WANTS to criticize, & he can put that criticism pretty beautifully, but he can't complete or offer conclusions & solutions. It's why none of them will ever end in satisfying ways & everything that is closed opens five more threads. He can't help but expand at every turn & criticize everything that came earlier.
The one that pissed me off the most was the stuff with The Night King and whitewalkers. For pretty much the entire show they were depicted as these terrifying and near-unstoppable creatures who seemed to be making their way toward King's Landing for some as of yet to be announced reason, but then Arya found them and killed The Night King and that was that. We never discovered what the series' main villain wanted or what his intentions were for everything that he did.
He is the king and the leader of the army of the dead. Like any other king, he is looking for power and goes to war for that. He wants to rule everything. I don't think there's gotta be an explanation for that, seems too obvious.
i mean it was said that they want to erase the man kind by killing bran
@@dobleuxyzyeah….no. They were invented by the children of the forest to fight against the first men but typical fashion there is no “stop button” they’re just on auto pilot to finish their original goal to eliminate all men
@dobleuxyz apparently it wasn't obvious for you, since what you explained was obviously not that. Lol they were created to destroy men, not rule, or rule over men.
Right? I thought they should’ve explained more about who the night king was as a human, why they chose him to become the night king, who his generals were, and the motive behind killing the living.
Also his death was so anticlimactic. Like you’re telling me this man can warg, is unaffected by dragon fire, is supposedly an unstoppable killing machine, but is taken out with a single knife to the gut? They could’ve done sooo much cooler stuff with him.
Another abandoned plotline are the Stark wolves. They're setup as very symbolic, and then they kinda just die or not shown anymore.
Allegedly they were too expensive to animate according the producers (dumb and dumber) I mean that was such a lame excuse you have dragons for god sake!! 😅
@@theladycat9342 but the same thing happens in the books. My take on it was that ol’ George started out with one idea of where he was going with the series (a high adventure with lots of magic and monsters) and later decided to go another (a character driven story more about human nature).
Arya is a Warg!?
@@Piensamalyacertaras all the stark children are wargs, they just more or less have an affinity to it
@@BradloRaulASOIAF really isn’t about human nature
Kingslayer Jaime becoming a Queenslayer would have so much sense that D&D "forgot" to write -.-
It’s funny how Jamie and Cersei stood there all dramatic and let the ruble fall on their heads… When all they had to do was take 2 steps to the left and they would have been perfectly fine. Literally every archway held up perfectly. Tyrion was able to walk right up and see them. 😂
Now that you mention it 😅😅😅😅
tbh no...they couldn't run outta kings landing and stayong in kings landing meant dying by the hand of dyneris anyways...so they just accepted their death and spet their last moment in each others arms....cersie's desperation for her and her child's life and then them passing out together i think was a beautiful moment as much as i hate the character....ofcourse it is just my opinion
Oh come on ..
@@leeknowsnothing When Tyrion finds them, everything around them was fully intact!! He only had to move 1 or 2 rocks to find them lol. Had they actually been buried by rubble, he would’ve never found them.
They just wanted to die from cringe
The abandoned Jaqen H`ghar-plotline annoys me the most. I think he was a brilliant mysterious and powerful character who could have done much more to lead to a final conclusion
Honestly, I don't really see this as an abandoned plot line at all. There's no such person as Jaqen Hghar, it's the very point of being a faceless man but that's not how people like to enjoy TV shows, it's why certain characters are kept on sometimes when they're planned to be killed off. I would say it would be a mistake even to bring the actor back at all
There could exist the dead faceless agent controlled by king of night
It still pisses me off!
@@wmandthingsbut what was that faceless man who was using the name Jaqen H'ghar doing in westeros? Why was he in the cage? Where did he go and what did he do after he changed his face in front of Arya and gave her the coin?
@@Tristyn_WatermanI like the mystery and wished they hadn't brought him back
Stannis Baratheon is an entire abandoned plot line. He was killed off simply because the writers didn’t know what to do with him past season 5.
He probably died the same way in the Books
He didn’t even won an on screen death so sad
@@dqrr4150 even if he dies same way in books, he still has his daughter, which is true heir to the throne, his wife which is dumb but still loves them both, and he still has this guy who went to braavos to buy an army. Also, i don't think stannis will die anyway
Stannis being the Robert’s heir ws ridiculous in the first place because Robert won the throne by conquest, not by having royal blood.
And Brienne just randomly found him in the middle of nowhere to personally kill him, like you’re kidding right?
That goddamn “Bran is the Night King” edit put me near to tears because a twist that cool would have easily made up for how shit they did the White Walker and Three Eyes Raven plots 😭😭😭😭
Glad you liked that one :D
@@CultureVultureMedia1 Like it? You singlehandedly fixed this show with such a brilliantly simple idea. Fuck D&D and their Xmen Origins Wolverine no talent having asses.
oh you’re one of those
@@123themovieman What the fuck does that mean
@@stereochristthat you’re talking about being put to tears because of a fictional video
Another plotline abandoned: Arya's direwolf. I know it's not much but I felt bad at their last encounter.
I almost included it in the video too. As awful as that goodbye was, it did bare the semblance of a resolution. If I'd included it, people might object and say things like "you just didn't like how it ended" and they wouldn't be wrong.
How is that "abandoned"? She said, "That's not you." Reflecting on how she felt when forced to go the "girl" activities. She realizes she has to let her dire wolf go and is going on her own path. The same way Arya did; she realizes she needs to respect that. There couldn't be any more closure there than you needed.
@@craigmiller4184 I just think that giving a beginning and an end doesn't make a development. To me it just felt like the writers suddenly remembered about the wolf and had to think about some improvised ending to it.
In the books there is a small chapter where Nymeria is leading a freaking giant pack of direwolves around Westeros all by herself while Arya is away becoming faceless and with Wargs being a thing I was like holy crap the Long Night is going to have a DIREWOLF ARMY in the middle of it and I am so sad that we will probably never get the payoff to any of this amazing story.
They shat on the entire Direwolf plotline. They were as iconic as the dragons in the books.
The Prince that was promised being an abandoned story arc is the most embarrassing mistake they made lol
Isn't it Jon? He is the one who led the defeat of the White Walkers and it turned out he was royalty. I know they never said it explicitly, but I just figured it was him.
@@KevCo174no
😅@KevCo174 the books imply it is Jon yes
I mean, yeah, it's assumed it's Jon, but in the show its...no one?
The princess that was promised was Aria, as she killed the Night King. That was my take anyway.
I think George R.R. Martin just made so many avenues, not even he the author could accurately remember everything.
He used to like call up the guys in sweden doing the wiki about different relatives to different charachters and such.
Which I love that he did.
He has 2 assistants to help him with the history keeping! Truly incredible and impressive the world he has built.
@@Porcelynnn That might be them? Anyway I recall that he talks about them in some interview.
@@densmorde4520 no.. his assistants are women and live in the same city as him lol
This. And that’s why George hasn’t finished that last book. He can’t; not with smoothly and adequately tying up all those threads in a way that’s still good, emotionally satisfying, storytelling.
"Hold the door" is still one of the most heart shattering phrases in TV history
And he succeeded... 😟😢😭
Followed by "It's all in the reflexes"
I came very very close to quitting the show after this episode. It still runs across the back of my mind from time to time.
This scene has scarred me in the best way possible. It was so emotion evoking that to this day when I think about it I shiver.
It breaks my heart to know that his whole life was taken from him for him to sustain to that very moment. It breaks my heart.
No, it's nowhere near it. Calm your dragons.
Bran being able to literally affect the past was one of the most significant reveals of the show and they did absolutely nothing with it.
Some Eren Jaeger type s*** and I love it
@@gelb598 With attack on titan atleast the whole time travel thing paid off, he looked into the future and saw no other way an all that
Because he's not SUPPOSED to affect the past....the 3 Eyed Raven is supposed to Observe only NEVER interfere; which is why the 3 Eyed before Bran tried to warn/stop him of interfering because look at what he did to Hodor
. Spoiler warning? Jeez louise
@@SeaMobthis whole video is a spoiler why are you watching it
Ah yes Martin the dude who will ask questions about Aragorn tax politics but he will not explain magic in his works xD
I thought the books suggested (well, that was my take on it) that Jon's soul entered his wolf when he died which is how he came back 'whole' after his body was healed. The wolves were the biggest abandoned thing I think
Jon is still dead in the books, there's no actual evidence of that yet
That was probably what was supposed to happen until D or D read that theory in a reddit post and rushed to change it
@@arielsclamshellbrawdym yet? You know that's never gonna be a resolution, right? There's never gonna be a next book
@@luisfilipe2747what a fucking presumptuous statement. You have no idea if or when the next book will come out you absolute regard
@@luisfilipe2747 can you keep your pessimism to yourself and let other people have hope for the future of the series
Bruh you can't just casually drop the hardest White Walker / Three Eyed Raven edit I've ever seen just like that
Yeah. That actually gave me chills. So good.
For real!
Best one yet
People only call out the last season as being the demise of the show, but I'd argue it started going downhill far before that. Season 6 (when they ran out of book material) is when it all unraveled for me
All seasons after season 4 have poor writing.
Depends where the writing left off. The writing for Sansa ended as she was leaving the Vale. Tyrion was on his way to Bravos. John had been killed. Everything beyond where their story left off just tanked the show.
Yeah, it was about 5th season, when my hype cooled off substantialy
at least season 6 had some banging episodes that were satisfying like dragons in full force
The last 2 episodes of season 6 are literally the highest rating episodes of all Game of Thrones.
So no. I'd say some character writing is tho little bit bad in season 6, but season 7 is the first season when the quality dropped. But i still think season 7 have some good moments. Season 8 other hand.... it's another story lol.
Edit. And of course season 5 have some bad moments, but still many great episodes. Hardhome is amazing! Seasons 1-4 perfect television and they follow books, but also season 6 is awesome. At least the second half of the season.
You missed Ser Ilyn Payne disapearing after season 2. Also, the last Warg scenes were in season 4 with the Thenns. PS: did you catch when was Loras describing his wedding to Sansa, he mentioned the dress having "french sleeves"? How does anyone in Westeros know what french sleeves are?
Oh yeah shoot, Arya's list is sort of abandoned in that it's technically not completed. I suppose the do wrap it up with the Hound talking her out of a hateful life pursing revenge, but to not complete the list is a red hot mistake.
I even brought this up in Every Error in Game of Thrones Season 8... Can't believe I forgot that for this video haha
ilyn payne's actor fell ill with cancer and the show runners didn't think he was important enough to keep the plotline going.
@@PapagenoDispo BTW Wilko Johnson, the actor who played Ilyn Payne, passed away in November of last year at the age of 75, almost 6 years after having won the battle against pancreatic cancer, one of the most deadly forms of cancer, with a near 90% mortality rate.
Im pretty sure Bran wargs into crows in the long night battle in season 8
he says "fringed sleeves" not "french sleeves"
Jaime’s arc was the most painful abandoned plot line for me
I can’t choose most painful, but it’s the ugliest, wasteful, saddening …. He loves his sister, but his arc should have led him to do the right thing..
@@Daniel-rp7nb why though? for the most part it seems that people don't change they just become more of themselves. He was always going to go back to Cercei. Dany was always going to torch King's Landing. Arya was always going to go by herself. Jon was always going to end up going North.
Literally none of this is a surprise.
Agreed
Oh yeah, ruined the entire show for me
Jaime's relapse after such a well written near complete redemption arc was so unsatisfying
Thank you for reminding me how badly they fumbled the bag with the last 2-ish seasons of Game of Thrones, after 5 years I had almost forgotten my anger about this :)
The season was bad from season q if u read the books
@@okami-z1b well, I haven't read the books and tbh don't intend to until they're finished (if that ever happens) so I can't speak on that. I enjoyed the first 5ish seasons a lot and still do when I rewatch them ^^
A major loss could've happened with the time travel loop, the mad king, Bran could have tried to send msgs back about burning all the white walkers but the only msg that got through was "burn them all"
That actually would have been really cool.
Actually I thought that's what happened... Although more likely that was my imagination
I have a feeling that this is what Martin intended. Might happen in the books if they’ve ever get completed
That would’ve been insane!
This theory is very good
You missed that Varys caught and kept the sorcerer that cut him in a box. It was never mentioned again.
Haha, I'm just gonna assume that guy escaped together with Ellaria when Danaerys destroyed the Red Keep ;)
Wonder if GRRM will ever mention the sorcerer in the books again
Yeah, that was really left unresolved wasn't it! Lol.
I assumed he got his vengeance. You know he wasn't going to let him go join the high court and have a cup of tea. I think they wanted to save us from unnecessary torture scenes.
That's not a missed plot point , we saw he got him and was going to get his revenge, what did you want to see? The torture?
Man... this just reminds me what an epic show this was for a while and how badly they just threw it all in the trash.
It was amazing for like 4-5 seasons, because it felt like there was plenty room for all the mysteries to unfold, and so we waited in anticipation for it. And then there were like 3 seasons left, not much explained, everything was rushed Arya pulled off some Marvel level bs, and then the story was all over.
I didn't even bother to finish the series after Varys' execution. At that point, it was such a bs
To me, the Iron Bank was the most egregious abandoned plot line. I envisioned them as some super powerful mafioso type of organization, and wanted to see the Iron Bank in full retribution mode. Cool that the show touched upon the economic underpinnings of running an empire; but sadly, touching upon the subject is as far as that subplot went.
In a grander scale, I have a theory that "A Song of Fire and Ice" was meant to foreshadow the eventual coming together and conclusive rule of Daenerys Targaryen (fire) and Jon Snow (ice). However, too many people figured out that this was the direction the books/show was going, and so the ending pivoted nonsensically in an effort to (ack) sUbVeRt eXpEcTaTiOnS.
In my beliefs, it is actually the fate of our world that fire will return to the vertical and water return to horizontal, combining with fire as the cross of Fire and Water.
Fire symbolises Sun, Spirit.
Water symbolises Moon, Material.
Our current civilisation prioritises money and materials and the water aspect. It is upside down as Spirit is primary. Both spirit and material are important but Spirit is primary and when the incorrect order is followed, problems arise.
@@Thantaos9 Do you like Game of Thrones? How about the fact that in the show, the rise of the dragons awakens the magic in the land, seemingly.
Similarly, in our world, great deities of a certain lineage are coming back into power. This transition is resisted by opposing deities and in fact they are fighting each other.
Spirit and Physical are connected, with the Spirit as primary. What happens in Spirit is reflected in our world of the Physical.
I believe Jon himself _is_ the Song of Ice and Fire. He's half Stark (ice) and half Targaryen (fire), so we don't even need Daenerys to bring the fire.
@@yuyutubee8435 like the hermaphrodite Godzilla
Granted, the Iron Bank wouldn't likely go for a typical repossession. I'd imagine their retribution to be more subtle. Backing your opponents and taking the Bank's shares of the spoils through them. Shifting the power through renegotiated trade agreements, rerouting commerce into different cities. Pirates getting hints of the escort ships being delayed or crews not in a battleready state. At first unwise lords don't really notice, then its to late.
I fucking love how so many of us are STILL bitter/heartbroken enough to make and watch these videos
The way Petyr Baelish died was perfect. He got outed a liar and a little b*tch. And he died by the hands of Sansa and Arya finally realizing theyre stronger working together while they have never gotten along before.
YESS! Littlefinger’s death was my absolute favorite in the whole series! He got outmaneuvered by the girl he’d been manipulating for 7 seasons. He didn’t deserve pomp & circumstance - and they even had him on his knees begging by the end ✨chefs kiss✨
The editing after Brann says "you were exactly where you were supposed to be" is amazing
Glad you liked that part :D
@@CultureVultureMedia1 holy fucking shit that was cinematic
I fast forwarded that part in the show when I watched it because I was so annoyed by that point, so I was so confused 😂 I literally thought the edits were real and that I just missed that part 😂
David & Dan before season 5: "all right before we get to the main characters let's think about how we resolve all the other plot lines, shall we?"
"Ok. How about Dorne?" "Yeah mhh.. Oh! How about we kill literally every single character?"
"I mean that resolves the plot right? Sounds good"
"What about Littlefinger?" "He gets killed."
"Varys?" "How about... he dies?"
"Ilyrio?" "Who?"
"Stannis?" "Oh that's easy. He is killed."
"Melisandre?" "Dead."
"Mance?" "Light him on fire."
"The Tyrells?" "Put them all in one place and light it on fire."
"The Sparrows?" "Oh i know which place to light on fire."
"Cersei and Jaime?" "Well they can die together so it ties back to something..idk"
"What about Brienne though?" "Oh yeah she needs to bang Jaime to complete her arc."
"The Greyjoys?" "Theon gets redemption by... dying."
"Euron and Yara though?" "Euron dies. Yara idk."
"The Brotherhood?" "Well Beric can die for good now."
"Meereen?" "Everyone who doesn't need to be in Westeros dies."
"Braavos?" "Let's just give Arya a power-up and then leave."
"The Tarlys?" "Who? Oh Sams family.. they die. Haha Dickon.."
"Brans crew?" "All dead? Yes, even Hodor."
"Rickon?" "You mean Dickon?"
Like... literally every character arc except the 5 main ones either ends with them dying before we really know what's going on or they just stick around and do nothing.
GRRM can't even resolve all the plot lines lol hence why we will never see an ending
YESSS, thank you! Season 5 absolutely was the beginning of the end for the shiw
The bolton , the tyrells , the tarlys and etc
Were wasted by D&D due to they want to get rid of minor character in very quick ways so they can focus on the main character in Season 7-8
But they still fucked up anyway
More thought went into what you wrote here than the whole entire last season.
I laughed so hard reading this! 🤌
I think that's the biggest reason why Martin takes over 12 years to finish current book: he has too many plotlines to intertwine and make sense of
That tends to happen when you create vast epic fantasy universes. Even Tolkien suffered from this. He had so many stories and plots that were never finished or completed and he died before he could do anything with them. One big one is the brief and mysterious mention of 2 other blue Wizards who are only mentioned in passing when Gandalf remembers that there were 2 other Wizards besides Saruman and Radagast. We know from Saruman's account that he was the last to see these blue Wizards who travelled to the east but were never seen again. They could have died, became evil and fell into the service of Sauron, or had their own intentions that would be good or bad.
@@kyleenglot9184 Blue wizards never were a plot or subplot, they were just a brief mention serving a world enrichment. I liked it, the sense of 2 beings on the power level of Gandalf dissipating in the vastness of the Tolkien world
But Martin created so much suspense, so many epic plotlines which demand satisfying conclusions, that expectations are beyond insane
I thought he said he wrote himself into a hole and realised he already killed off the one character who would have helped him get out of it.
I was never able to verbalize my problem with Game of Thrones but this video perfectly encapsulates all my issues with it, so thank you!
Glad to hear it! :D
If you read the books, all you have to say is mid way season 3 you know the show makes no sense because the show merged / excluded way too many characters that are all vital for the subplots that affect the main plotline.
Its like baking a vanilla sponge cake with no eggs, no yeast, no sugar, no vanilla flavor... Just flour and water. Essentially missing all the key ingredients that make a cake a cake rather than some flat bread.
They did my man Jaime dirty. Not only do I have mad respect for the actor who portrays him, but the character also became one of my favorites in the underrated A Feast for Crows. It seemed to me a grim and accurate portrait of war and what it does to a person. The show... Just.... Why?
Underrated comment.
A Feast for Crows has Jaime burn the letter Cersei sends begging him to come back to her and defend her from the Faith.
In the show, he drops everything and goes back to her and dies with her for no real reason, undoing all of his character growth across the entire show, and it is never really commented on....so insane.
And when Arya learns to water dance from the master of swords from Bravos... It looked like they would be something related to this but nothing apart from be laughed at by Sandor.
well she did go to bravos afterwards, there was nothing more to tell
I’d love it if the jon snow show showed him waking up from being stabbed and season 8 was a bad dream
As he wakes the snow globe falls from his hand and rolls away…
That reminds me of how the really bad season of Community was blamed on a gas leak by a character in the following season.
My older brother spent years waiting for the Wheel of Time series to be finished. When I tried to get him to read ASOIAF he said he will never start another series that isn't complete again. With what the end of the show was and no books on the horizon, I think bro is right.
yeah, RJ passing was a hard blow. years of waiting, untold lore waiting to be explored...and its all gone .
He’s a smart man
"What would Gilly do if she found out her niece-brothers were the baddies?!"
Holy shit 😂
They abandoned the plot point of killing major characters. Will never understand how so many characters survived to the end - especially in huge battles like the long night.
I feel like that shows how much the show lost sight of itself + what it was about.
That's not to say characters were killed off for the sake of it - but the high stakes, multiple motivations, characters you were rooting for having conflicting goals, etc.
It lost it's teeth!
The same thing happened to The Walking Dead after Glenn Rhee died. The writers got cold feet, and there was no emotional weight to anything anymore. 😒
At least Zuko got his redemption arc.
The reason there is still a nights watch (and this is mentioned) is because they still need a place for criminals, it acts as a community service in a way.
And just because we defeated the enemy we knew. What about the one we don't.
The song of ice and fire is literally a prophesy about the promised prince. A targaryan. As far as we've seen in House of the Dragons his name is Aegon (Jon's real name). Said prince is meant to end with the eternal night a.k. white walkers. Anyway here you go take Arya killing the white king and forget about the Song of Ice and Fire.
the prophecy doesn't mention a aegon, it just originated with a dream that aegon targaryen the first king of a unified westeros had
I don't think Jon's real name will be aegon
@@Thecrimsonking01 I've always thought it would make sense for him to be named Aemon due to it being another common Targaryen name, his parallels with Maester Aemon, and the fact that Aegon was already taken by his brother
”it just felt right for it to be Arya“ - 🤡
@@brandf.7691 you're making a good point. I like aemon for the reasons you said and think it's a cooler name. I believe should be Viserys because rhaegar was naming his children after Aegon and the original siblings that conquerd. So Jon would be named after Visenya. So I think Viserys is Jon's real name.
I genuinely expected more to come from Gendry.
Well... he F**ked Arya. :D
right! the war of the 5 kings could continue still with ALL the children and possible heirs. Could have been ramped up after Cersei loses all of her children.
Feel like he succumbs to the same thing as Jaime/Brienne - the writers crumble to fan service and just do a cutesy relationship and forget anything interesting about the characters. Ngl I hated Brienne and Jaime's arc because of how they seemed to become nothing but a possible relationship for fans to scream over, and Gendry kinda goes the same way as they have Arya and him hook up before ditching him.
Of course, this would have been 20 seasons if every plotline was resolved. But, these are all good points.
and absolutely everyone wouldve watched 20 seasons
If they were good@@Niccybe
@@unitempt7975 they would've been definitely better than the rushed 2 last seasons
This is why GRRM wont finish the books, and why everyone hates D&D for the last seasons. GRRM is amazing at creating a huge epic world, with tons of memorable characters, but converging all the plotlines he's made into a solid ending is a nightmare and would take twice as long (and likely still messed up). One of the best parts of GoT is also why it is a huge mess.
Book readers will be super mad about this, but for the show the screenwriters really needed to cut characters and plots, including them just left us with a horribly rushed ending that we all hated.
@@Niccybe20 seasons equally good as seasons 1-4 😮❤🎉🎉
"a romance nobody asked for"... I was extremely invested in Brienne and Jaime. I never expected them to end up together and be happy because this is ASOIAF but Brienne was so important to Jaime's arc and he to her's. The good end to Brienne's arc would be to finally receive love, especially from an honorable, kind man that she had originally fantasized was Renly or someone like him. Jaime wasn't perfect, but he was a lot more real than Renly, and he clearly cared for her.
And for Jaime, it would have been the perfect end to his redemption to find a love in someone who could not be more different than Cersei. Brienne was kind and truthful and would have loved him in a healthy way.
I think being able to see the potential in their love makes him going back to the toxic, all consuming relationship with Cersei all the more tragic. I would not doubt that is really what happens in the books, it was just written very poorly in the show. Brienne was his chance at a normal life, but in the end he couldn't escape his self destruction.
you get it omg
yep exactly
I think you took what he said to literal. He’s not saying literally nobody wanted it, but I took it as most people didn’t care about it because it was not an integral part of the shows endgame. Had the show gone 13 seasons like HBO wanted it would have been fine to add in, but since the show was so condensed the last 2 seasons it felt like an unnecessary storyline that ate up time and went nowhere.
Pet theory, the spiral is a fey rune that blocks the vision and power of the three eyed raven. They were painting the north with spirals so the night king could operate unopposed and unmonitored. It was a sinkhole of the three eyed ravens focus.
That Is the best theory I've heard on it
Probably the correct theory. Anything else doesnt make sense.
I liked the end of Littlefinger, his mistake was not realising that Sansa is not young Sansa anymore and Arya is a Faceless assassin. Begging for his life was on point. Cutting his throat was too nice though.
I feel like tyrion saying all the things he said during the trial was more of him just letting loose of all his frustration and suffering, not necesarly of him turning evil lmao
Then he kills Shay and his father and then goes on to be a very good boy™
in the books Tyrion does turn a lot darker
You are wrong. Why ? Because of how Tyrion changes after that in the books . So yeah , you are wrong , not that smart
@@danielcastaneda4975wtf does that have to do with the show? It's not the same goddamn universe.
@@davorzdralo8000 look a full grown up crying LOL
Howland Reed is abandoned! Someone mentioned about everyone in Bran’s crew died but not everybody died. Meera didn’t die and supposedly she went back to her father, and then Howland never makes an appearance, especially when he was so important. He was there at the tower of joy, he was there at the tourney of Harrenhall when Rhaegar crowned Lyanna Stark the queen of love of beauty and was privy to all of the events as Lyanna was defending him, and he probably knew a lot more about what happened there than anyone else. I don’t think it was mentioned in the show but in the book Rob tried to send word to him to make sure that the Lannister‘s didn’t reach the neck, so presumably after Rob died nothing happened, but we hear absolutely nothing even after that dies and Rob dies hell and does nothing. He sends his children, one dies and still does nothing.
I think in the books (hopefully) he will be the one to confirm Jon’s heritage. They completely abandoned his mystic in the show. 😭
This is true, he’s literally the only person that knows the truth about Jon after Ned died. He was mentioned a few times in the show, and probably would have been brought in eventually if Dave and Dan didn’t convince HBO to wrap up the show in 13 episodes for the final two seasons.
Yes! Where's Howland Reed!!?? Big, big omission.
Another abandoned plot line is the Tyrell family. The definitely should not have died in a random explosion.
I also think there’s more to ser gregor and the hound’s storyline
I also wanna add that they add a lot of symbolism to flames as Varys was left to hear voices in the flame by a sorcerer. The hound also sees ice in the flames. But nothing is ever explained
Plus…the Horn of Winter is a legendary artifact with the power to bring down the Wall. It was teased in the show but never addressed or included in the storyline.
Other abandon plot lines; Gendry’s bloodline, Cersei’s prophecy that her younger brother will kill her never happened, the dire wolves, the brotherhood without banners, house Tully’s fate, the crypts of winter fell should have connection to white walkers or Ancient magic, qyburn’s experiments, Sam well Tarly’s discoveries, Caitlyn stark, Melisandre, quaithe, asshai, uncle benjen, maester aemon, just so much….😢
I thought the explanation for Podrick and the girls was that he sang to them. The scene in season 8 when everyone was preparing before the battle of the long night showed Podrick surprising everyone with his amazing voice. It was implied that this was his secret to making the girls so happy they refused his payment.
:O wtf never put thi together
That’s what I surmised as well! Wasn’t 100% about it though.
Edit- I don’t think this was a super important thread to continue weaving, though. It was basically fan fiction at this point. I feel that most of the dialogue in the last two seasons were fan fiction or repetitive call backs from previous seasons. So disappointing, coming from a show that had the best writing ever. Smh
@@Tao_Tology I’m not sure who your comment was directed towards, but I was extrapolating based on the way Podrick and other characters were written in the show. Even Tyrion and Bronn we’re curious and impressed rather than insecure. It seems unlikely that Podrick would be a sexual prodigy having no previous experience with women before that scene in season 3.
@@philosopherking506 Lol, no dear (and, please, don't pretend you were in any way confused).
People (men) who watched the show/read the books who are _so_ set on knowing 'but....what was the gimmick??'
@@Tao_Tology It is unreasonable to assume the motives of other viewers on the basis of your own biases. I could just as easily say, "People (women) who watched the show project their own insecurities and resentments onto the characters and other viewers." but that would not be fair or necessarily accurate. How would such an argument account for people of the opposite sex who also interpreted that plot point in such a way?
I finally got over the last couple of seasons... thank you for making me relive my frustrations and trauma
so i personally was mostly under the impression that the three-eyed raven’s larger purpose was being the embodiment of the entire history of man. they knew all, past present and future, including the creation of the others/white walkers and who the night king truly was. but bran’s “transfer” was interrupted and unfinished thus leaving holes for him to have to figure out himself, slowly. that’s why he couldn’t “see” everything. that was the whole reason the night king touched him, tracked him like a damn deer and tried to kill them all. to stop the “transfer” and essentially erase the past forever. because without the history of man, they can have their eternal night and effectively exterminate anything and everyone other than them from all existence permanently. now all of the other super cool branch-offs, easter eggs, storylines and inferences surrounding the three-eyed raven part as a whole were definitely totally abandoned. but i always just assumed that the main purpose and importance of the TER was having the ability to see and know all.
OMG!!! Jon's ressurection paid by Shireens death. Never thought that way. 🤯
"I was binging Game of Thrones for the 8th time, as you do" - a very true statement, at least the first four seasons, after that it starts going downhill.
6 was an amazing season.
The faceless men would presumably hate the walkers cause “all men must die” and the walkers are undead men, so they could’ve tied that into why they let Arya go
"Other major deaths"
*Proceeds to show the scene where Rickon doesn't know how to fucking zigzag*
Seriously! This pissed me off as much as anything from the show and that says a lot. Not even looking back to see where the arrow was in flight and simply moving out of its trajectory
This whole section made no sense to me - rickon not able to dodge a long falling arrow, Jon’s forces attacking like a rabble, with no tactics, allowing that slow moving encirclement- the wildlings are highly mobile, it’s crazy they get pinned down - the battle of the bastards have some cool visuals but made sense as a battle
“I was rewatching Game of Thrones for the 8th time. You know, as you do” BEST LINE EVER 😂 so relatable and I feel very seen
That was so true for me before season 8 released… I haven’t been able to binge through it since… (I watched the series 8-9 times before season 8 came out, now I can’t even make it through season 5) 😢😢😢
@@darthinkarnatus7264 Why? The first 4 seasons are quite self-sufficient, at least because of the storylines of Tyrion, Tywin, Robb, Arya, etc.
@@darthinkarnatus7264 I feel the same way. This video made me realize how much I dislike season 8 because I barely rewatch that season. I like rewatching from season 1 - 4, 5 is where I fall off a little bit and six is a hit and miss for me on some aspects. I think that’s why rewatching the show is kind of lackluster, knowing how it ended. It just really sucks 😂😅
Me too!! I’ve binged several times!
@@darthinkarnatus7264same . I watched season 1-6 so many times but I can't make myself rewatch season 7 and 8. The first 4 seasons are definitely so much better than the rest of the show.
28:28 Arya " how did you survive a knife thru the heart?" Jon "I didn't". YaaaaY!! Lol
This is hilariously sad, this show actually could’ve been phenomenal if even half of these abandoned plot lines were not missed by the show. Thank you for addressing these inconsistencies and plot holes ❤😂
It continues to show that Dan and Dave should be mocked relentlessly for what they did to this series.
@guymontag5084 the irony is that they didn't even get the star wars job 😭.
I was pissed the symbols meant nothing
Same.
It actually symbolizes everything in the show going down the toilet
Agree with most but not a couple. 1- I felt they did a good job with Sansa's redemption. She always wanted to be queen but for the wrong reasons (wear pretty dresses and make babies). She ended up a capable, strong queen for the right reasons. 2- Lauria Martel was left to watch her daughter die slowly from the poison and it's implied strongly that she's left with no food or water so she would have died just days later, well before Kings Landing fell.
Tyrion and Sansa never consummated their marriage, so I don't believe that it is legitimate or legally enforceable.
Bingo!! That's what Ramsay says when he marries Sansa. The marriage to Tyrion was not valid, because it was never consummated.
I just cant bring myself to rewatch it. Great show but the massacred it in the later seasons.
That aftertaste just leaves a strong impression
I’m actually rewatching the first few seasons for the second time. And spread out enough it isn’t bad. I just literally end it after season 6 episode 10 and read fan endings :)
Same. I tried but I just got annoyed knowing how utter bullshit the show became.
That’s where I’m at.
I just watch the first few seasons and imagine the rest
@8:45 I have to disagree and I've had this argument with friends and coworkers ad nauseum. Jamie's arc wasn't abandoned. It was totally fulfilled. His heart, which is what had led him to make every and all of his decisions, is what we saw in his death. The things we do for love. He was MADLY, DEEPLY, and PAINFULLY in love. He died making a hard decision to comfort and be with the one he truly loved. I think it's beautiful and people's cheapening of it by claiming it's plot abandonment, kills me. I know I'm in a major minority here though it's just how I feel.
That Bran is the Night King edit is amazing. Although i always thought that a cool twist would've been Bran was actually Bloodraven and when the Night King killed him he jumped into Bran's body as his ultimate goal was to get the iron throne and that's why the Night King was after Bran as Bran wasn't the new three eyed raven he is bloodraven.
Thank you, I’m glad you enjoyed that part :D
Now THAT would have made sense!!!
So he gets to spend the rest of his days ruling as a cripple in a wheelchair?
Another abandoned plot line is greyscale. How did Shireen survive it? Why was it so easy for Sam to find a cure? Does greyscale have anything to do with dragons and the Targaryen?
Thought the implication was that Pod sang for the prostitutes and were so moved they didn't take his money. There is sort of a reoccurring theme in the series where people with truly good hearts (as few as there are) have naturally beautiful singing voices.
Bronn had a great singing voice and he was pretty morally corrupt.
@@AlecDinkleshit-yo5np Ya but is he really morally corrupt. He talks a big game about how bad he is but do we ever really see him behave in the manner he likes to portray himself. I'd argue the opposite, bronn is almost always acting compassionately. From saving Jamie from a suicidal charge against a dragon, too defending Tyrion when no one else would, to getting rid of the criminals before the seige of kings landing to protect the vulnerable. He doesn't even cheat on his fiance whith the sand snake he sings for. I even think the implication of him bringing Shae to tryrion's tent was that he rescued her from an aggressive lanister. I think the entire point of Bron being shown to have a decent singing voice is a way of subtly letting the audience know he's not as bad as he likes to pretend he is.
@@riftvallance2087 Great insight re character development/depiction. Bronn also actually helps those he serves, as opposed to "helping' in ways that undermine or even harm the recipient of help. Plus he's got great lines. "You pay me to kill people you don't like. Evil notions come free."
@@riftvallance2087Bronn is not morally corrupt. He is a good guy who says a lot of mean shit. He is materialistic and a social climber but he does have compassion and honour.
Pod becoming like a butler for like Marjory or Sansa putting bastards in their bellies would have been awesome.
Honestly, after they run out of book material, game of thrones is no longer worth the watch. Its basically fan fiction.
10 year old fan. Or 70 IQ fan. You choose.
A lot of this is nitpicky… oh boy… you’re spot on some of the time though.
OK but the night's watch was always way more of a way to banish lords without killing them. No one believed it actually had a purpose outside the north which was why it was so understaffed.
What the fuck ? What the hell dude. The nights watch literally stopped the first long night along with the starks and it was a deal between white walkers and starks . Probably the night watch was even created by the white walkers after they returned north. Because they were winning somehow they made a deal with westeros to stop the fight and he wall was made always needing a night king , this being a stark and being married to a white walker. There is a lot more about the nights watch connected to rhaegar Targaryen , the song of ice and fire and the starks along with the old ones. It's not just a " way to banish lords "
@@danielcastaneda4975yes, and that was a thousand years ago, which was all pretty much forgotten by the time GoT happens.
@@danielcastaneda4975 No one actually believed that to be true though
@@davorzdralo8000 in got world yes but the dude knows so he shouldn't act like if that´s all there is to it even more so if all these things are important in the present in got books , for a reason there is that story and lore , john snow and other might connect to that .
Sure, but in-universe, why would the night's watch continue doing that? F that shit, there's so many empty castles and broken families looking for missing heirs around
Actually lil finger was bankrupting the realm and as many lords as possible to own their debt
This was big gain of power
This is what some people would call a vintage jewish move
But the Iron Bank plot line didn’t go anywhere either so it’s still a moot point
@@l.c.7445amateur compared to old European families
It has been many years and this video still gets 1.7 million watched lol One of the biggest betrayal in the TV history 😅
According to GRRM, each Targaryen king passes the secret knowledge of the song of ice and fire (Aegon’s dream) to their heir. Rhaegar would have been a king, and in the House of the Undying, he looks up at Dany when he says “he is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire.”
"His eyes met Dany’s, and it seemed as if he saw her standing there beyond the door.” Time flows very differently in the House of the Undying. Willem Darry ( the kinght who smuggled Dany and Viserys to Essos) and Robb also seem to see Dany.
So here Rhaegar is directly passing his knowledge on to Dany, like the other Targaryen kings. This is the ONLY scene like it in asoiaf, the only time a Targaryen (would be) king passes his knowledge of the song of ice and fire onto an heir.
“The old woman LOOKED AT DANY almost as if she was afraid. The PRINCE is riding, and he shall be the stallion who mounts the world.”
“The stallion is the khal of khals PROMISED in ancient prophecy, child.”
GRRM told you who The Prince That Was Promised is in 1996.
But what does the stallion have to do with tptwp? The Stallion is very clearly the Dothraki name for Azor Ahai, TPTWP. Every culture has its own version of the same hero.
In the Shadowlands beyond Asshai, the people describe ghost grass as “taller than a man on horseback with stalks as pale as milkglass.” The Dothraki claim that one day [ghost grass will] murder all other grass and [glow] in the dark with the spirits of the damned & also claim that when this comes to pass, the ghost grass will “cover the entire world and then all life will end.”
The stallion will “ride his khalasar to the ends of the earth,” likely a reference to the north and beyond the wall, and the theme of humanity uniting in Dany’s arc. The Stallion prophecy is positive bc it’s how Dany is will save the dothraki from the long night. Most of people have also been brainwashed by the show into thinking that DRAGON FIRE won’t work on the others bc of the show’s bizarre assertion that somehow dragon glass will work on them but dragon fire won’t lmao.
Yeah, but its a TV show. Lore goes out the window when fans fall in love with certain characters. Can't follow canon when viewership numbers are at play. It's bullshit, but it will never change. Eventually you will see, if there are future series, "based on the books of George RR Martin". They'll most likely fuck up HOTD, too. Rhaenyra won't be eaten, she'll live and one of her bastard sons as well for fan purposes. Probably have Daemon survive and Lucerys turn up healing in some small fishing village, because it draws people in. Bad guys die and good guys survive. Directors live by that shit because no one likes an open ended or bad ending story. Look at The Sopranos. They learned their lesson. No one knows who killed Tony or if he lived. People called their cable providers bitching that their service went out. It cost money. We saw the same with their "interpretation" of ASOIAF. The fan favorites win and everyone else is shit.
Are you saying that this excerpt is telling us Dany is the prince?
Brilliant analysis and understanding of the story
That's show lore, not book lore.
George already confirmed that the show canon and book canon are separate. In that scene with baby Aego, Elia, and Rhaegar, I think that was after the maester told Rhaegar and Elia that she couldn't have another child without killing herself. Rhaegar sees a vision of Daenerys and thinks that's his third head of the dragon, his Visenya to go along with Rhaenys and Aegon who were already born. Thus he thinks he must have a child with Lyanna to bring this girl whom he has had a vision of into existence not knowing that it's not his daughter but actually his sister projecting herself into the past same as Bran did with Hodor.
“I did what any sane person would do and dedicated a few months of my life compiling a list.” 😂
Sometimes things aren’t story lines they’re just devices for world building.
You make me remember how i Looooooooved that series until the last season or so,... now for me it is history and I look down on it because the last season ruined all my fond memories of the show.
At least you loved seven seasons. I only loved four.
I always thought the perfect ending to the show would be Varys and Little Finger having one last conversation in the back of the Iron Throne room, after surviving everything. The room could be in ruins or whatever, but they end up bowing to each other for a game well played. Instead, they both became these non-factors that were killed off for understandable reasons, but could've been used so much better in the last 2-3 seasons.
That sounds like the cheesiest fuckin’ thing…
@@airsir9559 Dude managed to come up with a worse ending than D&D, which is quite a feat.
That would be a terrible ending.
Disgusting. 🤮
Littlefinger is a sex trafficker and Varys a schemer and plotter that plunged the realm into war twice. Prostitutes in the books are not treated well in Westeros. The Courtesans in Braavos are.
Nah the perfect ending would be Varys and Little Finger have a one on one fist fight, and Varys punches Lil finger so hard he is empaled on the iron throne
Poddrick laid it down so passionately then sang to the babes.
Many of those could be simply bundled together under "The writing in last two seasons was abysmally bad, with last two episodes of the show being the apex of incompetence".
Yes the writing was bad, but the condensing of the show was the real issue. HBO wanted to go 12 or 13 seasons, but they somehow, someway let David and Dan convince them that they could wrap it all up in 13 episodes for the last 2 seasons. A huge blunder from HBO, David and Dan wanted out and HBO was too scared to bring in other people to continue the show, so they agreed to let them wrap it up in 13 episode’s. This is why all the plot lines were closed out unanswered, they didn’t have the time in the condensed 13 episodes. But yes, the writing sucked as well because Benioff and Weiss thought they were more clever than George R.R. Martin with plot twists and “subverting expectations” as they put it. They were exposed as a couple of hacks after they ran out of the book material.
Not only did you dissect the terrible handling of all these plotlines, but also came up with answers on your own on possibilities they could have went down, which would all have been significant better than what we got (Obviously, since what we got was terrible in every way). Imagine one person being able to do this, and then the whole team of GoT, couldnt give us anything at all .
Truly a tragedy how they just threw everything out the window, after Season 4. It shows how little passion everyone involved had by the end, compared to someone like yourself. Great video, like & subscribed mate.
A show don't need to answer every question, and the minor ones are no point in allocating time on. But the Long Night anti-climax, Daenerys descent in such an awfully portrayed way and the abandonment of character driven focus are unforgivable :( can't imagine how the actors felt by this
I haven't watched a single episode or read a single page since the finale, and it's been years since I saw a video about GoT. These characters and plotlines hadn't even entered my thoughts for a LONG time.
This video made me realize that I forgot why I used to be so obsessed with the series. This was good content.
"House of Dragons" is as good as S1->5...
im still reading the first book. X_X i got half way a few years ago and put it down for a bit.
@@ynraiderfor now...
@@ynraider Wrong. It's an extremely boring show.
I was under the impression that the White Walkers are never truly permanently defeated and they will always come back some day and that's why the Night's Watch never dissolves.
I mean... individual WWs clearly die... they get blasted into a thousand shards of ice by dragonglass or Valyrian steel weapons...
But the creation of new WWs never truly died so long as The Night King existed - but as he was the ultimate source of the curse of the WW, when he died, they all died with him.
26:51 the best edited cut of any game of thrones montage. I've rewound and watched a hundred times and laugh out loud to myself every single time.😂
I was reading ASOIAF and watching this series ONLY because I was desperate to know WHY, WHY, WHYYYYY White Walkers do what they're doing. What's their PURPOSE. And only for D&D to kill them ALL without any explanation... I've never been that much BUTTHURTED
The Vale was so neglected that you also forgot about it, how did the sickly Lord Robert become healthy?
Probably by exercising out in the fresh air rather than being coddled by his mommy. That relationship had Munchhausen by proxy written all over it.
@@SigmaLibraYeah I was thinking maybe he finally did by starting real food with more nutrients since his mom was shoved through the moon door...
7:17 what you're saying here is wrong. These kind of translation errors happen often and not exclusively in "America"
The story was obviously leading to Jon and Dany marrying and uniting the realm by restoring Targaryen rule. D&D decided that was too obvious, so they jumped the track without any build up and gave us a ridiculous finish, valuing the surprise more than the hardwork of plot development.
Well by saying this you, along with D&D are assuming the ending. Martin has no ending yet and ill be damned if we get one as of this rate. Dude is too arrogant to make and ending similar to something else. That's why its been this long to actually know an ending.
D&D said that Martin told them the ending and they wrote to it.
Martin can't finish his novels because the ending was so poorly received that he has to think of a new one.@@therealchannelrap
@@AxelQC I agree that he supposedly told them this ending with Bran as the king, but they did no build up to it. However, I very much doubt he would change them in his novels because it was poorly received. He will build it up a lot better than D&D did and it will make sense, I assume. But let's be real, we aren't going to get the ending, it took him this long to write the 6th book, it's gonna take him over 2 decades to write the last one. He'd be well over 95 years old at that point.
Dumb and dumber didnt decide anything but to throw it all.
"obviously" I don't know about that. Dany was written from the get-go as an "enlightened despot" type of person, a dictator that's first among equals and attempts to purge entire classes (as she tried to do with the slaveowners in Essos). The entire story is about how the pursuit of power ruins you and the people around you. All in all I don't think the ending was wrong in general concept. it's just that it was rushed by the showrunners and sucked.
Me and my coworkers definitely assumed for years that bran would eventually have to warg a dragon to save the land from darkness....
Terrific breakdown. It was definitely the closure that I needed.
Great summary. This show topped Lost for the best show / worst ending award
They landed the ending so poorly, GRRM gave up writing the books in disgust.
Lost had a beautiful ending! Was it flawed and not perfect, yes but beautiful and cathartic nonetheless.
To be fair with the Night's Watch, they haven't been seen as an honourable organisation for years by the time of the series; they're seen more as a glorified penal colony. The Watch will still be used as a place to send criminals. May as well still use it.
The whole plot about nymeria and Arya was abandoned as well. Instead Arya sees nymeria for two seconds and nothing comes of it.
Little Finger was the one who had to explain what the Faceless Men were to Sansa, or it was at least implied that he very much knew who and what they were and how they operated. In the episode where he dies(or perhaps the one before that), he's seen paying some messenger off and then parting ways. There was a fan theory at the time that the Littingfinger that Arya killed was just a Faceless Men, but this idea was also abandoned. It would also explain the uncharacteristic-like begging just before his end.
You thought his begging was a characteristic? The guy was a wiener. He knows he’s a wimp and makes sure he’s never anywhere near the front lines while still making moves to get the power he craves. So yeah when he’s looking death in the eye he shits himself because he’s suddenly completely powerless and and there’s nothing left for him to do but beg. Needless to say I hate this character like a lot and the only bad part about him dying is that it was too quick.
Manipulators are like that of course he would beg when he thinks he cannot do anything anymore. But if he was spared he would start scheming again for sure. The begging was his last act but it didn’t work.
You get the point, I though the same about Littlefinger's death