Abandoned Plot Lines in Game of Thrones
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00:00 Intro
00:36 Littlefinger's arc
02:18 The Night's Watch
02:49 White Walker symbols
04:00 Bran is the Night King edit
04:51 Daenerys' fertility
05:41 R+L=J
06:44 Azor Ahai
07:37 Jaime's redemption arc
08:57 Tyrion's evil arc
09:56 The Three-Eyed Raven
11:03 Time loops
11:48 Varys
12:33 The Night King's Mark
13:09 Wildlings south of the Wall
13:54 Arya's identity
14:53 The Faceless Men
15:55 Naughty dragons
16:50 Kinvara
17:27 Lannisters running out of gold
18:20 The Iron Bank
19:11 The Crown's debt
20:14 Illyrio
20:46 Winter is coming
21:56 Euron's quest for Daenerys
22:37 Quaith
23:21 The Warlocks of Qarth
23:37 Craster's sons
24:12 Ironborn culture
25:16 The Tullys
25:47 Dothraki culture
27:12 Only death can pay for life
28:07 Losing a piece of yourself
28:36 Smallfolk
29:40 Houses and strongholds
30:35 Wildling wargs
31:03 Sansa's redemption arc
32:03 Sansa's civil status
32:34 Rickon
32:49 Mereen
33:42 Dorne
34:39 Pod the rod
34:51 Outro
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Out of these, which plot line would you have like to see resolved the most? 🧐
The Azor Ahai/White Walkers plot 😞
It is hard to pick one so many feel really important to the story . But yeah Jon Snow being a Targaryen not having any impact on the story at all was really disappointing. Also you are really handsome. I hope all is well on your end, best wishes to you and yours. Have a Merry Christmas.
@@Luciana_McC_99 I'm leaning towards Jon Targaryen too.
And thank you, all the best to you as well, merry Christmas!
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Lol when this guy said "subscribe for that nerds" my heart fluttered haha
the white walkers spiral symbolizes all the theories and our hopes going down the drain on the last season of the show :)
Indeed, couldn't have said it better. lol
Profound!
Great Comment!
Too true
this one bugged me so much they keep throwing it in our face lol
Season 1 - Winter is coming!
Season 2 - Winter is coming!!
Season 3 - Winter is comingg!!!
Season 4 - Winter is comminggg!!!!!
Season 5 - Wiiiiinter is commmming!!!!!!!
Season 6 - WiiiiinnnTer is commmmmmmingggg!!!!
Season 7 - Wiiiiiiiinter issss commmmmmingggggggg!!!!!
Season 8 - Oh it's over mate! Peww, close call eh?
No shit. terrible
Season 8 end of episode 2 Winter is here, Season 8 end of episode 3 Winter is gone 😮💨
During years, every time it got even a little cold outside someone always said "Winter is coming" around me. Not any more. Not even once since season 8. Like the show got erased from existance.
@@laurocoman: LOLS GOOD RIDDANCE, OF BULLSHIT!😆😂😂😂
This video horrifically sums up why I can’t rewatch the series… knowing it went nowhere is too painful
Or any spin offs
I’m giving House of the Dragon a chance, but it’s already on thin ice…
@@Twinkie_McCream I actually loved it and had 0 expectations. It actually makes the ending hurt even MORE because of how much they made the "Prince that was promised" important and how amazing the house Targaryen was (in all the best-twisted ways) in comparison. Makes Danny's end feel worse, and the fact that Arya killed the night king even worse than Danny's end (I don't mind the descend-into-madness plotline for Danny, all of the Targaryen is cray cray, but they did it SO badly, that it felt out of nowhere and terrible)
@@Twinkie_McCreamthey’re making sure the house of the dragon is amazing just trust it, no rushing production, much more money pushed into it and the dragon battles in season 2 will be better than any battle in game of thrones. It just feels like the stakes are much higher in HOD too, you can tell all out war is coming.
Just watch 1-4. That's what I did
Another plotline abandoned: Arya's direwolf. I know it's not much but I felt bad at their last encounter.
I almost included it in the video too. As awful as that goodbye was, it did bare the semblance of a resolution. If I'd included it, people might object and say things like "you just didn't like how it ended" and they wouldn't be wrong.
How is that "abandoned"? She said, "That's not you." Reflecting on how she felt when forced to go the "girl" activities. She realizes she has to let her dire wolf go and is going on her own path. The same way Arya did; she realizes she needs to respect that. There couldn't be any more closure there than you needed.
@@craigmiller4184 I just think that giving a beginning and an end doesn't make a development. To me it just felt like the writers suddenly remembered about the wolf and had to think about some improvised ending to it.
In the books there is a small chapter where Nymeria is leading a freaking giant pack of direwolves around Westeros all by herself while Arya is away becoming faceless and with Wargs being a thing I was like holy crap the Long Night is going to have a DIREWOLF ARMY in the middle of it and I am so sad that we will probably never get the payoff to any of this amazing story.
They shat on the entire Direwolf plotline. They were as iconic as the dragons in the books.
That picture of Littlefinger and Sansa is a masterpiece 😂
Glad you liked that one ;)
pls enter time
@@djonketchup2597 1:12 it really is a good picture
You're goddamn right.
👌😂
Stannis Baratheon is an entire abandoned plot line. He was killed off simply because the writers didn’t know what to do with him past season 5.
He probably died the same way in the Books
He didn’t even won an on screen death so sad
@@dqrr4150 even if he dies same way in books, he still has his daughter, which is true heir to the throne, his wife which is dumb but still loves them both, and he still has this guy who went to braavos to buy an army. Also, i don't think stannis will die anyway
Stannis being the Robert’s heir ws ridiculous in the first place because Robert won the throne by conquest, not by having royal blood.
And Brienne just randomly found him in the middle of nowhere to personally kill him, like you’re kidding right?
The Prince that was promised being an abandoned story arc is the most embarrassing mistake they made lol
Isn't it Jon? He is the one who led the defeat of the White Walkers and it turned out he was royalty. I know they never said it explicitly, but I just figured it was him.
@@KevCo174no
"Hold the door" is still one of the most heart shattering phrases in TV history
And he succeeded... 😟😢😭
Followed by "It's all in the reflexes"
I came very very close to quitting the show after this episode. It still runs across the back of my mind from time to time.
This scene has scared me in the best way possible. It was so emotion evoking that to this day when I think about it I shiver.
It breaks my heart to know that his whole life was taken from him for him to sustain to that very moment. It breaks my heart.
No, it's nowhere near it. Calm your dragons.
I forgot how many plotlines where dropped. damn the potential of this series
massive potential, poor implementation
The plotlines that weren't mentioned: The entire series. Martin's never finishing the last book.
@@pubcle Last TWO books.
I disagree that the show had potential... There was simply no way to tie together these many threads in a satisfactory way. It was a doomed enterprise from the start, it's also why the books can't be finished.
@@piface3016 There's additional reasons, Martin is a deconstructionist, not much of a creator. He knows how to criticize, he WANTS to criticize, & he can put that criticism pretty beautifully, but he can't complete or offer conclusions & solutions. It's why none of them will ever end in satisfying ways & everything that is closed opens five more threads. He can't help but expand at every turn & criticize everything that came earlier.
i feel like my old wounds have opened and salt poured on them, thanks for video
My pleasure ;)
You missed that Varys caught and kept the sorcerer that cut him in a box. It was never mentioned again.
Haha, I'm just gonna assume that guy escaped together with Ellaria when Danaerys destroyed the Red Keep ;)
Wonder if GRRM will ever mention the sorcerer in the books again
Yeah, that was really left unresolved wasn't it! Lol.
I assumed he got his vengeance. You know he wasn't going to let him go join the high court and have a cup of tea. I think they wanted to save us from unnecessary torture scenes.
That's not a missed plot point , we saw he got him and was going to get his revenge, what did you want to see? The torture?
To me, the Iron Bank was the most egregious abandoned plot line. I envisioned them as some super powerful mafioso type of organization, and wanted to see the Iron Bank in full retribution mode. Cool that the show touched upon the economic underpinnings of running an empire; but sadly, touching upon the subject is as far as that subplot went.
In a grander scale, I have a theory that "A Song of Fire and Ice" was meant to foreshadow the eventual coming together and conclusive rule of Daenerys Targaryen (fire) and Jon Snow (ice). However, too many people figured out that this was the direction the books/show was going, and so the ending pivoted nonsensically in an effort to (ack) sUbVeRt eXpEcTaTiOnS.
In my beliefs, it is actually the fate of our world that fire will return to the vertical and water return to horizontal, combining with fire as the cross of Fire and Water.
Fire symbolises Sun, Spirit.
Water symbolises Moon, Material.
Our current civilisation prioritises money and materials and the water aspect. It is upside down as Spirit is primary. Both spirit and material are important but Spirit is primary and when the incorrect order is followed, problems arise.
@@Thantaos9 Do you like Game of Thrones? How about the fact that in the show, the rise of the dragons awakens the magic in the land, seemingly.
Similarly, in our world, great deities of a certain lineage are coming back into power. This transition is resisted by opposing deities and in fact they are fighting each other.
Spirit and Physical are connected, with the Spirit as primary. What happens in Spirit is reflected in our world of the Physical.
I believe Jon himself _is_ the Song of Ice and Fire. He's half Stark (ice) and half Targaryen (fire), so we don't even need Daenerys to bring the fire.
@@yuyutubee8435 like the hermaphrodite Godzilla
Granted, the Iron Bank wouldn't likely go for a typical repossession. I'd imagine their retribution to be more subtle. Backing your opponents and taking the Bank's shares of the spoils through them. Shifting the power through renegotiated trade agreements, rerouting commerce into different cities. Pirates getting hints of the escort ships being delayed or crews not in a battleready state. At first unwise lords don't really notice, then its to late.
I thought the books suggested (well, that was my take on it) that Jon's soul entered his wolf when he died which is how he came back 'whole' after his body was healed. The wolves were the biggest abandoned thing I think
Jon is still dead in the books, there's no actual evidence of that yet
That was probably what was supposed to happen until D or D read that theory in a reddit post and rushed to change it
@@arielsclamshellbrawdym yet? You know that's never gonna be a resolution, right? There's never gonna be a next book
@@luisfilipe2747what a fucking presumptuous statement. You have no idea if or when the next book will come out you absolute regard
@@luisfilipe2747 can you keep your pessimism to yourself and let other people have hope for the future of the series
You missed Ser Ilyn Payne disapearing after season 2. Also, the last Warg scenes were in season 4 with the Thenns. PS: did you catch when was Loras describing his wedding to Sansa, he mentioned the dress having "french sleeves"? How does anyone in Westeros know what french sleeves are?
Oh yeah shoot, Arya's list is sort of abandoned in that it's technically not completed. I suppose the do wrap it up with the Hound talking her out of a hateful life pursing revenge, but to not complete the list is a red hot mistake.
I even brought this up in Every Error in Game of Thrones Season 8... Can't believe I forgot that for this video haha
ilyn payne's actor fell ill with cancer and the show runners didn't think he was important enough to keep the plotline going.
@@PapagenoDispo BTW Wilko Johnson, the actor who played Ilyn Payne, passed away in November of last year at the age of 75, almost 6 years after having won the battle against pancreatic cancer, one of the most deadly forms of cancer, with a near 90% mortality rate.
Im pretty sure Bran wargs into crows in the long night battle in season 8
he says "fringed sleeves" not "french sleeves"
Bruh you can't just casually drop the hardest White Waker / Three Eyed Raven edit I've ever seen just like that
They did my man Jaime dirty. Not only do I have mad respect for the actor who portrays him, but the character also became one of my favorites in the underrated A Feast for Crows. It seemed to me a grim and accurate portrait of war and what it does to a person. The show... Just.... Why?
Underrated comment.
The song of ice and fire is literally a prophesy about the promised prince. A targaryan. As far as we've seen in House of the Dragons his name is Aegon (Jon's real name). Said prince is meant to end with the eternal night a.k. white walkers. Anyway here you go take Arya killing the white king and forget about the Song of Ice and Fire.
the prophecy doesn't mention a aegon, it just originated with a dream that aegon targaryen the first king of a unified westeros had
I don't think Jon's real name will be aegon
@@Thecrimsonking01 I've always thought it would make sense for him to be named Aemon due to it being another common Targaryen name, his parallels with Maester Aemon, and the fact that Aegon was already taken by his brother
”it just felt right for it to be Arya“ - 🤡
@@brandf.7691 you're making a good point. I like aemon for the reasons you said and think it's a cooler name. I believe should be Viserys because rhaegar was naming his children after Aegon and the original siblings that conquerd. So Jon would be named after Visenya. So I think Viserys is Jon's real name.
David & Dan before season 5: "all right before we get to the main characters let's think about how we resolve all the other plot lines, shall we?"
"Ok. How about Dorne?" "Yeah mhh.. Oh! How about we kill literally every single character?"
"I mean that resolves the plot right? Sounds good"
"What about Littlefinger?" "He gets killed."
"Varys?" "How about... he dies?"
"Ilyrio?" "Who?"
"Stannis?" "Oh that's easy. He is killed."
"Melisandre?" "Dead."
"Mance?" "Light him on fire."
"The Tyrells?" "Put them all in one place and light it on fire."
"The Sparrows?" "Oh i know which place to light on fire."
"Cersei and Jaime?" "Well they can die together so it ties back to something..idk"
"What about Brienne though?" "Oh yeah she needs to bang Jaime to complete her arc."
"The Greyjoys?" "Theon gets redemption by... dying."
"Euron and Yara though?" "Euron dies. Yara idk."
"The Brotherhood?" "Well Beric can die for good now."
"Meereen?" "Everyone who doesn't need to be in Westeros dies."
"Braavos?" "Let's just give Arya a power-up and then leave."
"The Tarlys?" "Who? Oh Sams family.. they die. Haha Dickon.."
"Brans crew?" "All dead? Yes, even Hodor."
"Rickon?" "You mean Dickon?"
Like... literally every character arc except the 5 main ones either ends with them dying before we really know what's going on or they just stick around and do nothing.
GRRM can't even resolve all the plot lines lol hence why we will never see an ending
YESSS, thank you! Season 5 absolutely was the beginning of the end for the shiw
The bolton , the tyrells , the tarlys and etc
Were wasted by D&D due to they want to get rid of minor character in very quick ways so they can focus on the main character in Season 7-8
But they still fucked up anyway
More thought went into what you wrote here than the whole entire last season.
I laughed so hard reading this! 🤌
Jaime’s arc was the most painful abandoned plot line for me
A major loss could've happened with the time travel loop, the mad king, Bran could have tried to send msgs back about burning all the white walkers but the only msg that got through was "burn them all"
That actually would have been really cool.
Actually I thought that's what happened... Although more likely that was my imagination
“I was rewatching Game of Thrones for the 8th time. You know, as you do” BEST LINE EVER 😂 so relatable and I feel very seen
That was so true for me before season 8 released… I haven’t been able to binge through it since… (I watched the series 8-9 times before season 8 came out, now I can’t even make it through season 5) 😢😢😢
@@darthinkarnatus7264 Why? The first 4 seasons are quite self-sufficient, at least because of the storylines of Tyrion, Tywin, Robb, Arya, etc.
@@darthinkarnatus7264 I feel the same way. This video made me realize how much I dislike season 8 because I barely rewatch that season. I like rewatching from season 1 - 4, 5 is where I fall off a little bit and six is a hit and miss for me on some aspects. I think that’s why rewatching the show is kind of lackluster, knowing how it ended. It just really sucks 😂😅
Me too!! I’ve binged several times!
@@darthinkarnatus7264same . I watched season 1-6 so many times but I can't make myself rewatch season 7 and 8. The first 4 seasons are definitely so much better than the rest of the show.
That Bran is the Night King edit is amazing. Although i always thought that a cool twist would've been Bran was actually Bloodraven and when the Night King killed him he jumped into Bran's body as his ultimate goal was to get the iron throne and that's why the Night King was after Bran as Bran wasn't the new three eyed raven he is bloodraven.
Thank you, I’m glad you enjoyed that part :D
Now THAT would have made sense!!!
So he gets to spend the rest of his days ruling as a cripple in a wheelchair?
Howland Reed is abandoned! Someone mentioned about everyone in Bran’s crew died but not everybody died. Meera didn’t die and supposedly she went back to her father, and then Howland never makes an appearance, especially when he was so important. He was there at the tower of joy, he was there at the tourney of Harrenhall when Rhaegar crowned Lyanna Stark the queen of love of beauty and was privy to all of the events as Lyanna was defending him, and he probably knew a lot more about what happened there than anyone else. I don’t think it was mentioned in the show but in the book Rob tried to send word to him to make sure that the Lannister‘s didn’t reach the neck, so presumably after Rob died nothing happened, but we hear absolutely nothing even after that dies and Rob dies hell and does nothing. He sends his children, one dies and still does nothing.
I thought the explanation for Podrick and the girls was that he sang to them. The scene in season 8 when everyone was preparing before the battle of the long night showed Podrick surprising everyone with his amazing voice. It was implied that this was his secret to making the girls so happy they refused his payment.
:O wtf never put thi together
That’s what I surmised as well! Wasn’t 100% about it though.
Edit- I don’t think this was a super important thread to continue weaving, though. It was basically fan fiction at this point. I feel that most of the dialogue in the last two seasons were fan fiction or repetitive call backs from previous seasons. So disappointing, coming from a show that had the best writing ever. Smh
@@Tao_Tology I’m not sure who your comment was directed towards, but I was extrapolating based on the way Podrick and other characters were written in the show. Even Tyrion and Bronn we’re curious and impressed rather than insecure. It seems unlikely that Podrick would be a sexual prodigy having no previous experience with women before that scene in season 3.
@@philosopherking506 Lol, no dear (and, please, don't pretend you were in any way confused).
People (men) who watched the show/read the books who are _so_ set on knowing 'but....what was the gimmick??'
@@Tao_Tology It is unreasonable to assume the motives of other viewers on the basis of your own biases. I could just as easily say, "People (women) who watched the show project their own insecurities and resentments onto the characters and other viewers." but that would not be fair or necessarily accurate. How would such an argument account for people of the opposite sex who also interpreted that plot point in such a way?
I feel like tyrion saying all the things he said during the trial was more of him just letting loose of all his frustration and suffering, not necesarly of him turning evil lmao
Then he kills Shay and his father and then goes on to be a very good boy™
in the books Tyrion does turn a lot darker
You are wrong. Why ? Because of how Tyrion changes after that in the books . So yeah , you are wrong , not that smart
They abandoned the plot point of killing major characters. Will never understand how so many characters survived to the end - especially in huge battles like the long night.
I feel like that shows how much the show lost sight of itself + what it was about.
That's not to say characters were killed off for the sake of it - but the high stakes, multiple motivations, characters you were rooting for having conflicting goals, etc.
It lost it's teeth!
OK but the night's watch was always way more of a way to banish lords without killing them. No one believed it actually had a purpose outside the north which was why it was so understaffed.
What the fuck ? What the hell dude. The nights watch literally stopped the first long night along with the starks and it was a deal between white walkers and starks . Probably the night watch was even created by the white walkers after they returned north. Because they were winning somehow they made a deal with westeros to stop the fight and he wall was made always needing a night king , this being a stark and being married to a white walker. There is a lot more about the nights watch connected to rhaegar Targaryen , the song of ice and fire and the starks along with the old ones. It's not just a " way to banish lords "
I haven't watched a single episode or read a single page since the finale, and it's been years since I saw a video about GoT. These characters and plotlines hadn't even entered my thoughts for a LONG time.
This video made me realize that I forgot why I used to be so obsessed with the series. This was good content.
"House of Dragons" is as good as S1->5...
im still reading the first book. X_X i got half way a few years ago and put it down for a bit.
@@ynraiderfor now...
@@ynraider Wrong. It's an extremely boring show.
I’d love it if the jon snow show showed him waking up from being stabbed and season 8 was a bad dream
As he wakes the snow globe falls from his hand and rolls away…
I always thought the perfect ending to the show would be Varys and Little Finger having one last conversation in the back of the Iron Throne room, after surviving everything. The room could be in ruins or whatever, but they end up bowing to each other for a game well played. Instead, they both became these non-factors that were killed off for understandable reasons, but could've been used so much better in the last 2-3 seasons.
That sounds like the cheesiest fuckin’ thing…
@@airsir9559 Dude managed to come up with a worse ending than D&D, which is quite a feat.
That would be a terrible ending.
I genuinely expected more to come from Gendry.
Well... he F**ked Arya. :D
The story was obviously leading to Jon and Dany marrying and uniting the realm by restoring Targaryen rule. D&D decided that was too obvious, so they jumped the track without any build up and gave us a ridiculous finish, valuing the surprise more than the hardwork of plot development.
Well by saying this you, along with D&D are assuming the ending. Martin has no ending yet and ill be damned if we get one as of this rate. Dude is too arrogant to make and ending similar to something else. That's why its been this long to actually know an ending.
D&D said that Martin told them the ending and they wrote to it.
Martin can't finish his novels because the ending was so poorly received that he has to think of a new one.@@therealchannelrap
@@AxelQC I agree that he supposedly told them this ending with Bran as the king, but they did no build up to it. However, I very much doubt he would change them in his novels because it was poorly received. He will build it up a lot better than D&D did and it will make sense, I assume. But let's be real, we aren't going to get the ending, it took him this long to write the 6th book, it's gonna take him over 2 decades to write the last one. He'd be well over 95 years old at that point.
Dumb and dumber didnt decide anything but to throw it all.
"obviously" I don't know about that. Dany was written from the get-go as an "enlightened despot" type of person, a dictator that's first among equals and attempts to purge entire classes (as she tried to do with the slaveowners in Essos). The entire story is about how the pursuit of power ruins you and the people around you. All in all I don't think the ending was wrong in general concept. it's just that it was rushed by the showrunners and sucked.
Little Finger was the one who had to explain what the Faceless Men were to Sansa, or it was at least implied that he very much knew who and what they were and how they operated. In the episode where he dies(or perhaps the one before that), he's seen paying some messenger off and then parting ways. There was a fan theory at the time that the Littingfinger that Arya killed was just a Faceless Men, but this idea was also abandoned. It would also explain the uncharacteristic-like begging just before his end.
You thought his begging was a characteristic? The guy was a wiener. He knows he’s a wimp and makes sure he’s never anywhere near the front lines while still making moves to get the power he craves. So yeah when he’s looking death in the eye he shits himself because he’s suddenly completely powerless and and there’s nothing left for him to do but beg. Needless to say I hate this character like a lot and the only bad part about him dying is that it was too quick.
Manipulators are like that of course he would beg when he thinks he cannot do anything anymore. But if he was spared he would start scheming again for sure. The begging was his last act but it didn’t work.
Thought the implication was that Pod sang for the prostitutes and were so moved they didn't take his money. There is sort of a reoccurring theme in the series where people with truly good hearts (as few as there are) have naturally beautiful singing voices.
Bronn had a great singing voice and he was pretty morally corrupt.
@@AlecDinkleshit-yo5np Ya but is he really morally corrupt. He talks a big game about how bad he is but do we ever really see him behave in the manner he likes to portray himself. I'd argue the opposite, bronn is almost always acting compassionately. From saving Jamie from a suicidal charge against a dragon, too defending Tyrion when no one else would, to getting rid of the criminals before the seige of kings landing to protect the vulnerable. He doesn't even cheat on his fiance whith the sand snake he sings for. I even think the implication of him bringing Shae to tryrion's tent was that he rescued her from an aggressive lanister. I think the entire point of Bron being shown to have a decent singing voice is a way of subtly letting the audience know he's not as bad as he likes to pretend he is.
@@riftvallance2087 Great insight re character development/depiction. Bronn also actually helps those he serves, as opposed to "helping' in ways that undermine or even harm the recipient of help. Plus he's got great lines. "You pay me to kill people you don't like. Evil notions come free."
When it came to Arya leaving the House of Black and White, I always believed it was implied that the whole land of Bravos itself had been watching over her since season one. From her lessons with Syrio to her eventual relationship with Jakkan in season 2, it felt like Bravos was always there to make her stronger and even implied AGAIN during the battle with the white walkers when the Red Priestess does a callback to season one, reminding her what they say to the God of death. Unfortunately, this was all subtext and never fully explained. As much as I love things that are open to interpretation, I feel like they teased us one too many times, implying that there was something more than meets the eye about this whole thing with Arya and Bravos.
This is hilariously sad, this show actually could’ve been phenomenal if even half of these abandoned plot lines were not missed by the show. Thank you for addressing these inconsistencies and plot holes ❤😂
It continues to show that Dan and Dave should be mocked relentlessly for what they did to this series.
@@MLPDethDealr32 D&D did a good job up until season 5, at that point it seemed like they got restless and were focusing on future opportunities. That or they expected GRRM to actually finish his books so they could adapt content (which they were very good at) instead of getting a rough outline of events from GRRM and filling in the cracks. I think if D&D were given a new opportunity to adapt some source material from start to finish they'd do a pretty good job as long as they don't try to leave for greener pastures like they did with star wars during GoT.
I was pissed the symbols meant nothing
Same.
It actually symbolizes everything in the show going down the toilet
Actually lil finger was bankrupting the realm and as many lords as possible to own their debt
This was big gain of power
This is what some people would call a vintage jewish move
But the Iron Bank plot line didn’t go anywhere either so it’s still a moot point
@@l.c.7445amateur compared to old European families
Many of those could be simply bundled together under "The writing in last two seasons was abysmally bad, with last two episodes of the show being the apex of incompetence".
OMG!!! Jon's ressurection paid by Shireens death. Never thought that way. 🤯
According to GRRM, each Targaryen king passes the secret knowledge of the song of ice and fire (Aegon’s dream) to their heir. Rhaegar would have been a king, and in the House of the Undying, he looks up at Dany when he says “he is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire.”
"His eyes met Dany’s, and it seemed as if he saw her standing there beyond the door.” Time flows very differently in the House of the Undying. Willem Darry ( the kinght who smuggled Dany and Viserys to Essos) and Robb also seem to see Dany.
So here Rhaegar is directly passing his knowledge on to Dany, like the other Targaryen kings. This is the ONLY scene like it in asoiaf, the only time a Targaryen (would be) king passes his knowledge of the song of ice and fire onto an heir.
“The old woman LOOKED AT DANY almost as if she was afraid. The PRINCE is riding, and he shall be the stallion who mounts the world.”
“The stallion is the khal of khals PROMISED in ancient prophecy, child.”
GRRM told you who The Prince That Was Promised is in 1996.
But what does the stallion have to do with tptwp? The Stallion is very clearly the Dothraki name for Azor Ahai, TPTWP. Every culture has its own version of the same hero.
In the Shadowlands beyond Asshai, the people describe ghost grass as “taller than a man on horseback with stalks as pale as milkglass.” The Dothraki claim that one day [ghost grass will] murder all other grass and [glow] in the dark with the spirits of the damned & also claim that when this comes to pass, the ghost grass will “cover the entire world and then all life will end.”
The stallion will “ride his khalasar to the ends of the earth,” likely a reference to the north and beyond the wall, and the theme of humanity uniting in Dany’s arc. The Stallion prophecy is positive bc it’s how Dany is will save the dothraki from the long night. Most of people have also been brainwashed by the show into thinking that DRAGON FIRE won’t work on the others bc of the show’s bizarre assertion that somehow dragon glass will work on them but dragon fire won’t lmao.
Yeah, but its a TV show. Lore goes out the window when fans fall in love with certain characters. Can't follow canon when viewership numbers are at play. It's bullshit, but it will never change. Eventually you will see, if there are future series, "based on the books of George RR Martin". They'll most likely fuck up HOTD, too. Rhaenyra won't be eaten, she'll live and one of her bastard sons as well for fan purposes. Probably have Daemon survive and Lucerys turn up healing in some small fishing village, because it draws people in. Bad guys die and good guys survive. Directors live by that shit because no one likes an open ended or bad ending story. Look at The Sopranos. They learned their lesson. No one knows who killed Tony or if he lived. People called their cable providers bitching that their service went out. It cost money. We saw the same with their "interpretation" of ASOIAF. The fan favorites win and everyone else is shit.
Are you saying that this excerpt is telling us Dany is the prince?
Brilliant analysis and understanding of the story
That's show lore, not book lore.
George already confirmed that the show canon and book canon are separate. In that scene with baby Aego, Elia, and Rhaegar, I think that was after the maester told Rhaegar and Elia that she couldn't have another child without killing herself. Rhaegar sees a vision of Daenerys and thinks that's his third head of the dragon, his Visenya to go along with Rhaenys and Aegon who were already born. Thus he thinks he must have a child with Lyanna to bring this girl whom he has had a vision of into existence not knowing that it's not his daughter but actually his sister projecting herself into the past same as Bran did with Hodor.
I just cant bring myself to rewatch it. Great show but the massacred it in the later seasons.
That aftertaste just leaves a strong impression
I’m actually rewatching the first few seasons for the second time. And spread out enough it isn’t bad. I just literally end it after season 6 episode 10 and read fan endings :)
Same. I tried but I just got annoyed knowing how utter bullshit the show became.
That’s where I’m at.
Pet theory, the spiral is a fey rune that blocks the vision and power of the three eyed raven. They were painting the north with spirals so the night king could operate unopposed and unmonitored. It was a sinkhole of the three eyed ravens focus.
"a romance nobody asked for"... I was extremely invested in Brienne and Jaime. I never expected them to end up together and be happy because this is ASOIAF but Brienne was so important to Jaime's arc and he to her's. The good end to Brienne's arc would be to finally receive love, especially from an honorable, kind man that she had originally fantasized was Renly or someone like him. Jaime wasn't perfect, but he was a lot more real than Renly, and he clearly cared for her.
And for Jaime, it would have been the perfect end to his redemption to find a love in someone who could not be more different than Cersei. Brienne was kind and truthful and would have loved him in a healthy way.
I think being able to see the potential in their love makes him going back to the toxic, all consuming relationship with Cersei all the more tragic. I would not doubt that is really what happens in the books, it was just written very poorly in the show. Brienne was his chance at a normal life, but in the end he couldn't escape his self destruction.
you get it omg
“I did what any sane person would do and dedicated a few months of my life compiling a list.” 😂
Brand being night king would be a sick ending and he would rule from human body
Well this was depressing. And very well put together, by the way! I wrote my master thesis on masculinity in A Song of Ice and Fire, and I focused on Jaime Lannister. By far my favourite character. It’s such a fucking crime what they did to him in the show.
With fries, please ;)
Comparing the show to the books, right? I need to go back and read the books. The show did such a great job of developing JL in the first half, that now my memory is confused about what I remember from the books and what I remember from the show. I'm going back to read it. JL was a fantastic character.
I’m interested in reading that. How can we go about getting that done?
@@timwalker7027 My thesis? Haha you’re welcome to but I only have a paper copy these days.
I don't think Balish's plot was abandoned, I think the point of his resolution was that after all of his scheming, dreaming, and plotting, he had amounted to nothing.
I’m pretty sure this is one of the plot points that got ignored, but you might have relegated it back to something else. In season 1 Ned works out Joffrey isn’t the rightful heir to the throne because he is blond. This is because his parents are blonds. But by the time their death scene roles around, she’s a redhead and he’s a brunette. This important plot twist of season 1 was completely gone by season 6.
Exactly, I always thought that was dumb
Wait can you elaborate? Who’s death scene? & who is a redhead and a brunette?
@@meganmeehan1565 have you watched the whole thing? Spoilers involved.
@@shikishinobi I'm confused as well, I have seen the entire series but I'm not certain of what you're talking about specifically.
@nicholasmays4257 So in season 1, Ned worked out Joffrey is not the heir to the throne because he has blond hair. We know his parents are Cersei and Jamie Lanaster. Both of them are blondes in the first few seasons.
After Cersei does her walk of shame, her hair stops being blonde and slowly goes red over time. Jamie also goes from being blond to a brunette over time. While the latter can happen due to hormone I.balances, the plot hole is that the two blondes from a family of blondes did not remain blonde, despite this being the key reason Joffrey is blond and a false king. While he was out of the show by this point and his siblings weren't far behind, it is not a reason to change hair colour of a character without reason.
It is like watching Orlando Bloom not bleexhing his roots as Legolas.
Tyrion and Sansa never consummated their marriage, so I don't believe that it is legitimate or legally enforceable.
Bingo!! That's what Ramsay says when he marries Sansa. The marriage to Tyrion was not valid, because it was never consummated.
My older brother spent years waiting for the Wheel of Time series to be finished. When I tried to get him to read ASOIAF he said he will never start another series that isn't complete again. With what the end of the show was and no books on the horizon, I think bro is right.
Not only did you dissect the terrible handling of all these plotlines, but also came up with answers on your own on possibilities they could have went down, which would all have been significant better than what we got (Obviously, since what we got was terrible in every way). Imagine one person being able to do this, and then the whole team of GoT, couldnt give us anything at all .
Truly a tragedy how they just threw everything out the window, after Season 4. It shows how little passion everyone involved had by the end, compared to someone like yourself. Great video, like & subscribed mate.
22:14 the rooser noise 😂😂😂
Amazing video!! It's such a shame knowing GRRM went to great lengths to avoid plot-holes and such in the books but the showrunners were more than happy to toss out whole story-lines 😑
Most people would kill to run a show like that, and those guys just got tired of it 🥴
@@CultureVultureMedia1yeah it is sad . During that time GOT was literally printing money for HBO so it's crazy to me they just let D an D just drive it off a cliff.
@@Luciana_McC_99 insane from both the financial and the artistic point of view...
@@CultureVultureMedia1 Definitely insane
@@CultureVultureMedia1 D&D had been offered a Disney job. They thought "great, let's kill this puppy and go get a new one".
Karma thought otherwise.
Everyone hated them so much for what they did to GoT, and people who care about money were so aghast at how D&D proved themselves unable to handle "properties of great value", that Disney said, "you can fuck right off"
You have to laugh. Well I did.
But it is probably bloody painful for poor grrm.
I'd guess that's part of the reason for his really wanting to do HoTD & other series over which he has more control - when he really ought to be finishing the god damn novels.
He likely wants to deaden the pain, prove it wasn't HIS fault, and give D&D a good swift kick in those balls which they thought mentioning all the time was the same as being "witty".
I suspect he found the whole debacle to have taken away from his interest in the books.
John is the prince that was promised. He was Targaryen. He was a stark of the north, and he was a white from beyond the wall.
Another plot line abandoned Jon clearly not healing from his wounds
And not really eating
Even being a lil colder and darker putting to death Ollie who was a child and used for his pain of his family
Up to the point Jon chose mercy
He says I failed I thought I did what was right and they killed me for it
But show
Although I’m a firm believer Mr Martin struggled with the ending of winds of winter bc of the reception of the ending that was rushed but a lot it is def his ending for the characters
Danys first judgement is to burn mirri alive just like daddy
And you can say well it’s revenge but mirri tried to save drogo
It was dany being brought into the tent that made her son part of the ritual
And she only promised to save his life not what kind of life
It could’ve been danys greatest lesson and where she departs from her father
But!!!!!
She says “I will hear you scream”
This is who she is
Sooooo weird to take Miri Maaz Duri side in this 😂 clearly not that familiar with the story
@@jeffseidlEven in the book it's left open to see and possibly take Mirri Maz Dur's side. When Dany is angry with her and asked why Mirri betrayed her after she saved her, Mirri replies with something along the lines:
"Save me? What did you save me from? By the time you arrived, they had already killed my patients and burned down my temple. One of the boys killed no more than 3 or 4, one who I saved from fever!
What did you save me from? I was r*ped half a dozen times when you found me with the man who'd been the seventh.
Why would I save your son, the Stallion who was to Mount the World? Countless lives were saved due to his death."
So though Mirri Maz Dur never really tried, she had VERY good reason not to. She wasn't evil, in fact she was a peaceful healer woman who lived with peaceful people (Followers of the Great Shepherd), that the Dothraki then took advantage of.
That's one of the main themes of her character and one that teaches Dany a very important lesson. Just because Dany saved one person, doesn't mean sh*t when countless around her are dying by the same or similar means and doesn't make her a good person. Nor does doing questionable things for the greater good necessarily mean she's evil. Everyone has reason to act as they do in times of war and great turmoil.
Jon is ice and fire!
no it’s dany confirmed by george rr martin himself
The editing after Brann says "you were exactly where you were supposed to be" is amazing
Glad you liked that part :D
I was under the impression that the White Walkers are never truly permanently defeated and they will always come back some day and that's why the Night's Watch never dissolves.
I mean... individual WWs clearly die... they get blasted into a thousand shards of ice by dragonglass or Valyrian steel weapons...
But the creation of new WWs never truly died so long as The Night King existed - but as he was the ultimate source of the curse of the WW, when he died, they all died with him.
"So subscribe to that, ya nerds" 🤣
Predator bit cracked me up. And dorny mcdornface.
Great breakdown and mad how so much was just abandoned...I didn't even realise how much of a mess it had become
Great summary. This show topped Lost for the best show / worst ending award
They landed the ending so poorly, GRRM gave up writing the books in disgust.
I finally got over the last couple of seasons... thank you for making me relive my frustrations and trauma
"I was binging Game of Thrones for the 8th time, as you do" - a very true statement, at least the first four seasons, after that it starts going downhill.
To be fair with the Night's Watch, they haven't been seen as an honourable organisation for years by the time of the series; they're seen more as a glorified penal colony. The Watch will still be used as a place to send criminals. May as well still use it.
The one that bothered me most was leaving Ellaria in the dungeon. Not sure why, but I needed followup one way or the other.
She might still be out there, we don’t know!
I wanted scenes where Cersei had no one left to talk to but the people she was torturing and she’d just be venting to herself
Dany kind of forgot about Ellaria
@@WWED245 that would've actually been really cool! Love that
I mean I think it’s implied that she died. Tyene died from the long goodbye, Ellaria watched her perish. Then subsequently she probably died from starvation or thirst in between that episode and the time when King’s Landing fell. Either way, she’s dead.
Littlefinger's plot line wasn't abandoned. You just didn't like how he ended. There's a difference.
In regards to abandonment of Tyrion's and Jaime's character archs - they both have been ruined in the last episode of season 4. In season 1 we learn that Tyrion married a whore named Tysha in his youth and what Tywin did to her left him traumatized (forced Tyrion to watch her get raped by 100 guards each paying silver coin, and forcing Tyrion to rape her last and give her gold coin.) In the books in last scene between Jaime and Tyrion, Jaime reveals that Tysha in fact was not a whore, but just a common girl and he lied to Tyrion in their father's orders.
There both of them get harsh development - Tyrion gets really angry and tells Jaime about Cersei cheating him with Lancel (Jaime stops loving Cersei because of that.) and Tyrion becomes obsessed with finding out Tysha (would have been his cool goal for the remained of the series) and starts hating Jaime and his family (And becomes more ruthless because of that)
It's such a shame D&D cut that from the story although we had two books of material developing on this further.
Brings up something else the show runners did: They deliberately left out or changed iconic lines from the book. Where do whores go? Edd, fetch me a block. Only Cat. and so many more. Online, book fans can use these as shortcuts when talking to each other. One thing many of us were looking forward to is to have the show watchers be able to share that with us. But D&D decided they needed their own thing so they could take all the credit for the new phrases and alienate book readers and GRRM.
I don’t think Tyrion was obsessed with finding her. Just a joke he says to himself.
Beric's resurrection is a bit different. Doesn't require someone's death to bring him back to life. The magic cost of the resurrection is what Beric pays. He loses part of himself, his previous life.
He seemed fine for someone who died 6 times tho
@@narc440the books did a better job showing this than the show. He admits to losing chunks of his memory, he doesn't eat or sleep anymore, and he has a cool monologues about what it's like being dead
Plus, Thoros doesn't know why it works. He was pretty much a drunk that had given up on his religion. Then one day, poof. Magic started happening.
We can tolerate every other abandoned plot lines except pod the rod. 😂
Time for a spin off series. The 🌎 must know.
the most reasonable explanation is that the brothel owner made them give the money back
whores don't give money back
hell, whores don't even get the money anyway...the pimp does
I can't believe anyone spent time on rewatching this. But since it was to more effectively hate it, I appreciate your sacrifice.
Bran being able to literally affect the past was one of the most significant reveals of the show and they did absolutely nothing with it.
This is really good editing… better then most trailers haha
I've always had this story in my mind about how the Tyrion and Sansa plotline should end at Winterfell. The whole "we survived" moment, but instead of where it went she explains how every man she was attached to outside of her family used, abused, tried to destroy her for their own selfish agenda. Then Tyrion looking guilty and defeated hears "Come husband, you've had long enough since we married. I think it's finally time I learn what a good man is." And then she walks off and he follows, with full intent to remain with her and do just that, devoting himself to her and helping her serve the northern kingdom.
i agree with your points about jaime but saying him and brienne was “a romance nobody asked for” is crazy i’m sorry 😭 not everyone wanted them to be romantically involved, sure, but a lot of people were still rooting for them to happen and the show had been hinting at them for a WHILE, plus it certainly seems to be where GRRM is going with them in the books as well. it’s just a shame the show made them get together for literally nothing in the end lol
4:45 The Ending for Game of Thrones with the SAW music theme edit is the best and in my head, is the official ending bc that actually makes sense 😄 It really help swallow down the mess they made of the last rushed season
Honestly, after they run out of book material, game of thrones is no longer worth the watch. Its basically fan fiction.
10 year old fan. Or 70 IQ fan. You choose.
Hollywood set the trend to make a boss fight out of every villain. Littlefinger's death was quite appropriate. Spent his life striving for power, scheming in the shadows but died a quick and unremarkable death at full display. A lot of these endings are either realistic "you reap what you sow" or simple descent into mediocracy. Like in real life.
His death was unremarkable because it was done in a stupid and out of character way. Twin Lannister died in a quick and unremarkable way, in a sense that it didn't have any glory, it was humiliating and no one saw Tyrion kill him, but still, was one of the best deaths of the show.
Little finger death was a spectacle, everyone watching, lots of dramatic angles and music, with him begging to not die, as if he couldn't make a half decent argument as to why he shouldn't die, when that's his whole character.
Kingslayer Jaime becoming a Queenslayer would have so much sense that D&D "forgot" to write -.-
Your comedic timing is exceptional
Hey, thanks! Glad you think so :D
@@CultureVultureMedia1you are also very easy on the eyes . But yeah great video.
@@Luciana_McC_99I'm telling ya he's a fox
@@givemeliberty700 yeah. He doesn't look like someone you would expect from UA-cam more like a Netflix movie or something like that.
@@Luciana_McC_99 his sultry bedroom eyes are alluring and I can go on about how sexy he is for a good while so let's talk about it lol
That Bran edit gave me chills. Would've been a great twist!
"Other major deaths"
*Proceeds to show the scene where Rickon doesn't know how to fucking zigzag*
Seriously! This pissed me off as much as anything from the show and that says a lot. Not even looking back to see where the arrow was in flight and simply moving out of its trajectory
I was never able to verbalize my problem with Game of Thrones but this video perfectly encapsulates all my issues with it, so thank you!
Glad to hear it! :D
bro really dropped the HARDEST GOT edit of all time and thought we wouldn't notice
Great content. Very nice editing. A most enjoyable video
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for the kind words!
Thank you so much for making this.
Great break down ! Cant wait to see your fixed version
Can’t wait to make it! Glad you enjoyed this one :D
Never thought of Bran as a dragon rider till now thanks
You make me remember how i Looooooooved that series until the last season or so,... now for me it is history and I look down on it because the last season ruined all my fond memories of the show.
Great video! So sad how things fizzled as soon as the show developed beyond the point of the books.
I remember so many of us being so excited and in suspense of R + L = J goddammit...those were the days. My friends and I got so excited for the weekly episodes a decade ago.😭
Of all the dissapointing things from this show, the only one I'm really mad about was Arya didn't get to kill Cersei.
I really feel like she should have done it wearing Jamie's face; fulfilling Cercei's prophecy and completing Arya's list
Literally, it was her driving character mission for such a long time, she'd journeyed all the way to King's Landing by that point and was literally standing in the Red Keep. Then Sandor just goes "eh she's probably already dead" and Arya is like "okay lmao" and just fucks off again.
The Arnold “SOB” sound bite had me laugh out loud. Well done 🍻🤘🏼
These edits are top notch. Well done!!!
Another plot point that wasn't really addressed or really used to any advantage was the stone disease...i forget what its called. A few characters had it...supposed to be incurable and deadly yet the one guys daughter and Denariuses right hand guy both had it and were cured so....?
Well they had Samwell find the cure in a book.
You clearly ain’t pay attention
The disease was called greyscale. And there's another abandoned plot when it comes to the disease. In S2 jorah meets with quaithe and she is painting glyphs on people planning on traveling through the land of the gray men (valyria in the show) and later when jorah travels through with tyrion he makes no attempt to seek her or others out to travel through there
If you think of how many people died in the north from wars and the night walkers, including wildlings, I think their presence south of the wall would be overlooked after everything is setled.
Man this was great, nice work
this show had so many abandoned plotlines and inconsistencies that you could play bingo with them lol
Thank you for this video. Though, if I may… I think it should actually have been titled “abandoned plot lines and inconsistencies” Some of what you show here aren’t abounded plot lines. They are just resolved in a very un satisfying way. The most annoying FOR ME anyways was the White Walkers being easily wiped out after years of build up. That’s not a massive threat they posed since it ended up a basic battle. Agree though that not bringing the lore of the walkers into a climax…. That was so underwhelming after the incredible details they led up to it with. WHY show us those symbols at all??? indeed!
The Bran storyline with all of this too- I really wanted more from it. It truly pisses me off every time I think of this wasted opportunity!!!!
Also we did see a Wilding Warg again.. When the biggest fire the north has ever seen is lit.
I totally agree about Sansa. She’s Cersei lite
Also it was revealed - Pods secret. Well - it was heavily implied… He sang. His voice was his magic over them
In the end the feared White Walkers were killed by a little girl with a single stab.😂
I greatly enjoyed my first watch of your content
Glad to hear it :D
Good to see you back!
The abandoned Jaqen H`ghar-plotline annoys me the most. I think he was a brilliant mysterious and powerful character who could have done much more to lead to a final conclusion
Maybe it's already been mentioned, but there was another warg: the Thenn scout who joined the wildling attack on the Wall from the southern side. This helped in making it seem decently common among them. I don't think Jojen ever warged, though.
Oh shoot that’s right!
Jojen is greenseer, not warg
@@Aletheia_soulwhat’s that