Thank you so much for the encouragement guys! I hope the wait was worth it. I put a lot of effort and care into this video. Please let me know what you think
Love your videos on GOT. It's so sad that it ended so poorly because of the last few seasons because it used to be one of the best written shows for the first half of the series.
Its all over and there's nothing we can do to change it except opening old wounds! I cannot even re-watch all the seasons anymore knowing how screwed it will get at the end. Used to do that from time to time.
One mistakes that most don't see, is when Ramsay tells John Snow that his hounds have been starving for days. At that moment, Sansa had left. How could she know that fact when she told it to Ramsay before letting the hounds kill him?
It still drives me wild that Arya didn't take Littlefinger's face! The second she killed him I remember my sister and I turning to eachother and cheering because of course that was how Arya would finaly get close enough to Cersei. Such a waist of all the Faceless man stuff.
Not to mention the waste of Bran, who other than illuminating some things in the past, hardly uses his ‘powers’. Sam stealing the ‘restricted Maester’s books’ apparently was another waste of time & crime🤷♀️
@@hebi172 Yes, the writers wrote the later seasons of the show in such a way that the audience has to assume almost everything. They gave us no information, yet things happened. Lol
The books left it at Brandon leaving the tree and the story of how Hodor lost his ability to speak. D&D had no idea what to do with brand at that point and it all fell apart.
What bothers me the most is that what once felt like a huge world filled with many differents houses, kingdoms and charachters at the end felt so reduced to an only stark targaryen lannister affair barely any of their bannerman or any other great house. It was all so contained at the end while on the other side the books are ever expanding in scale(maybe that's the reason he won't finish them) but anyway
EXACTLY how I feel. It felt like such a vibrant world even after the red wedding and then everything just shrank. Even the map of Westeros apparently...
@@R1sk1t-B1sk1t NG, if the fact that they aren't finished is what is making them rich with the expanded houses and the great characters then I'm fine with it. Instead of getting it to follow this show in its attempt to just wrap it up, its gotten so much more interesting with the expanded plots and characters.
Yeah but if you cut the Mountains’s arm off it’s not gonna take off after you. He’s also not immortal like the NK’s command crew. I understand your point but there’s a bit of a difference. But they could both be considered zombies, you’re right.
I can deal with that. What I can't abide is that their master plan was to "sneak" past the Wall, find a walker and take it back to Winterfell a month's ride away. Of course it worked out wonderfully, and they were rescued by the dragon on a frozen lake in the middle of nowhere that the dragon somehow found just in the nick of time. Horrible, horrible writing. I don't think there is any show in the existence that started so good and ended so bad.
Haha I’m rewatching and that’s what I was thinking too. Like how’s she thinking walking dead can’t be real when she’s got a walking dead no matter how he was made.
@@alexmartin3143in the books he has no head. If his helmet is removed he is headless with gushing black blood flowing out. His head was sent to Dorne after the Mountain Viper incident. So yep he's immortal and he's immortal pretty much in the show too after the experiments. He only dies from extreme circumstances (thrown off highest building into fire and stone) and there's no proof he even died. Who says the mountain died? We never saw his body.
Sansa: I thought you were the three eyed raven Bran: it’s not difficult to explain. You know how someone is a king, until they die? Then someone else is now king? It’s exactly that.
I hate when lines are said for the viewers, and not for the actual characters they're interacting with. There are so many examples of this in the later seasons.
@@countof3everybodyOD oh I can attest, esp. HOTD season 2. Watch them f it up with how much they're tying this show to the turd that is the later seaaons of GOT.
@countof3everybodyOD It's somewhere in between in terms of writing quality Maybe leaning towards season 5-8 bc it's nowhere near the masterpiece television that seasons 1-4 were
I had truly thought that Arya's ability would play into the death of Cersei. In the prophecy she is killed by her younger brother. Both brothers were younger (Jaime followed her in birth, as an allegory for his life) , and I thought Jaime would complete his arc, sacrificing himself for the living, and Arya using his face to kill Cersei. Fulfilling her list and satisfying the prophecy and Jaime's redemption arc. Good Lord. This is just one possibility that is worlds better than what we were given.
@@mosesnzioka8549 I know right? Ned Stark should have appeared with a lightsaber at the end and killed everybody before declaring himself the King of Gondor. Nobody would see that coming.
What seems so ridiculous to me in season 7&8 is that no matter when or where Dany's army plans to attack the iron fleet just teleports there and with a consistent amount of ships as if there were no casualties im the earlier battle.
Yes, the endless supply of extras was just ludricrous, combined with throwing away any acknowledgement of the passage of time that they so carefully built up in the first three seasons. So lazy and sloppy, it was crazy-making.
"Hey I know I just got elected king after admitting to killing my brother (who also happened to be the previous king), but go make me a thousand ships. Don't worry about where to get the timber, silk, or men to crew these ships on the barren islands on which we reside. Don't ask why we haven't built these ships and conquered the seas already if the resources were there. Also these ships will need to be able to teleport, have cloaking fields, and be armed with a groundbreaking new anti-dragon weapon that will either easily travel miles into the air with extreme accuracy and power (and can shred other ships to boot), or miss completely against a single target." "Give us a month--two tops--and you got it boss."
I assume that the magic within the wall extended into the sea as well, otherwise there's no reason why the wights couldn't have just walked around underwater.
@@panthera9151 they were shown to be unable to swim at Hardholme However, they were shown to be able to swim while carrying steel chains when getting Viserion
@@venisabdijevic1148 How did she have a claim? She was a mother of kings because her husband was a king and "his" children were kings. She herself without her children has no claim. There is no inheritance system that works in a way that random woman who was married to a king becomes a ruler after her children if all of her children die.
The Euron ship thing really pissed me off. I remember thinking at the end of the season how is Euron gonna get enough wood to build so many ships. But nah D&D thought we don’t need to worry about logistics
Also, Cersei had nothing to do with Ned, Catelyn & Robb’s deaths. She was unaware that Joffrey would behead Ned and she was never told by Tywin of the Red Wedding plans and only knew after it happened.
Sansa would have never known that. She wasn't there when those deaths happened. She just assumed since Cersei was in power, that she must have been responsible.
I was really surprised to see the Tarlys not bend the knee. Lord Tarly was loyal to the Mad King until he was slain, and had to basically give up and go home. You would think he would still be more loyal to the House he pledged allegiance to first.
I think it much more likely in the books that he will refuse to bend the knee to Dany, because he is a misogynist in the book, and wouldn't support a queen as ruler. In the show that wouldn't matter, since he sides with Cersei, but in the book he may refuse while Tommen is still king, or if F-Aegon takes over and he swears allegiance to him first.
Also loyalty means a lot to the Tarlys,because they built their House's reputation by being loyal soldiers( Randyl delivered the only loss to Robert Baratheon in the rebellion).Them supporting Cersei makes no sense,ESPECIALLY SINCE CERSEI MASS-MURDERED THEIR LIEGES(Tyrells).
@@whoschach how does that have anything to do with the previous comment. Actually it's your mental demise the one you should be worried about lil buddy
You forgot one major error. The Lannister and Tarly army besieging Highgarden would have taken weeks, if not months -- not one or two days as presented in the show. Daenerys would have known what was happening and could have sent her dragons and the dothraki to save the Tyrells. Sieges lasted a long time! Also, how would an invading army with no siege weapons even take a castle?
A lot of times medieval sieges didnt "take the city" by force. The whole point of a seige is to starve an enemy into submission. If you have the military might to take a castle/fortified city you attack as soon as practical to prevent reinforcements from arriving as well as minimizing the cost of maintaining a fielded army.
It was completely braindead for them to leave Highgarden undefended. It's literally the most important stronghold in the entire South, if not the entire continent! It's the castle that commands the region that literally feeds everyone. No way in earlier seasons that Tyrion and Olenna (to say nothing about the other characters who went with this plan) would have been fine leaving their most valuable asset undefended, especially when any military analysis would have shown it mostly pointless to take the Lannister castle anyways.
@@danlorett2184 But the thing is, even if HighGarden was undefended, it would still be a big challenge for an attacking army to lay siege against a stone-castle. If I recall, I didn't even see any siege weapons (battling rams, siege towers, trebuchets, etc) in the Lannister/Tully army. So how would they even breach the wall or gate? It just seems ridiculous that Highgarden was defeated in one or two days
That to me was the hugest of them all. I remarked at the time that it seemed like Westeros had suddenly become a 30 square mile place. It's specially jarring because in the case of other teleportations, you are generally kept in the dark as to how much time transpired between scenes, but in this one there's that ridiculous scene where Cersei asks the "repo-man" from the Iron Bank to enjoy some hos and wine and wait ONE DAY in the city while she "sorts things out". Seriously.
I was laughing constantly through this. I have to point out an error you missed though. Remember when Benjen said "theres was ancient spells carved in to its foundations. While the wall stands, the dead cannot pass"... yet they managed to take one back anyway with the wall completely intact
Glad you liked the video :D Yeah, the magic of the wall is completely ignored by the show. The whole mission beyond the Wall is the saddest bit of filler in all the series. I gave them a pass there because they made the decision to ignore the magic system anyway (I already mentioned the dragons being able to fly past the Wall), so I figured I wouldn't waste more time on it.
This could be easily shrugged off by postulating that the magic of the wall prevents them from *intentionally* passing the wall in whichever way, while the one in question *was taken* past it.
Surprisingly not an error. The dead are previously taken through the wall, way back in the first book and in Season One, when they take the bodies of Benjen's ranging party back to Castle Black and they attack Mormont. The ancient spells block the Others, not the Wights. Of course D&D got rid of the distinction between the Wights and the Others because they thought it was too difficult for people. Dragonglass is not supposed to work any more efficiently on Wights and so the Night's Watch says they will use fire against them. But D&D ignored that bit, so it does feel like an error even though it isn't.
9:38 Sansa: "That the woman who murdered my mother, father and brother is dangerous?" What??? She didn't murder any of those people. Robb and Catelyn were mudered by the Freys who acted under Tywin commands in any case, Cercei had nothing to do with it. And regarding Ned, Joffrey ordered his execution and Cercei (who wanted him to be sent to the wall) actually tried to prevent it from happening. And you were f***ing there Sansa, you saw the whole thing!!
@@CultureVultureMedia1 he wouldn't have needed a distant champion. He brought the Knights of the Vale north with him and as Lord Protector of said Vale could have ordered one to fight for him. I seem to recall him half ordering half begging for protection and Bronze Yohn Royce telling him what he could go do with himself.
I agree I hated to way little finger was taken out. They could of come up with a much better way. And that's Dan and Dave's fought for not being able to come up with something better. But this is the one and only time I will say it was not all there fault. Aiden Gilley was part to blame he wanted out after season 7 was over for another show on Sc Fi called project blue book. He stared In . A show where he was looking for aliens. So if he was not set on leaving they would have had him in season 8.
"Unfortunately today is not a good day to fight the Night King because today is javelin practice." LMAO That was genius. This whole video is the catharsis we needed. Thank you. Subbed.
One thing that really drove me mad during the confrontation with the Night King was that water proved to be a barrier for the white walkers, despite the fact that their mere presence has been explicity shown multiple times to have an effect on temperature - alerting characters to their approach when their breath starts to steam in the air, and on one occasion (i think when they're at Craster's Keep) LITERALLY CAUSING A PUDDLE OF WATER TO FREEZE OVER. Of all the things the writers could have chosen to act as an obstacle for magical ice-powered ice zombies, they went with an until-very-recently frozen lake 🤦🏼♀️
It’s actually alcohol that freezes over at Crastors! A liquid that doesn’t freeze at 32 degrees but more like -16 degrees! So yea, the Night King should have had no problem freezing over the lake!
I love how often you mention that they're not wearing hats in winter conditions, because honestly... for people from northern countries, it really is one of the most conspicuous errors. Their ears would have all been black (or gone) when they got back.
I don't know, I think the more you're used to this weather the less you wear, I haven't worn a hat or gloves since I was a child and forced to do it and I live in a country with about 3 months of below freezing temperatures per year, I stay outside for hours like that, I just don't care and you don't freeze that easily as long as you're moving.
I just had a conversation about that with a friend. They never wear hats because I think it'd harm the visual integrity of the characters. They have a certain look, and putting hats on them changes that in a significant way. However, going north of the wall without a hat looks fucking retarded.
@@c.w.8200 do you live in a place where in winter it's -35/-45 degrees celcius and doing all this ? Or you talking about a western european cold, where those degrees never exist ? Because in places with those kind of negative degrees, you will never "survive" more than 30 minutes outside, if you only wearing what you mentionned.
Amazing video. I wish you emphasized the terrible mistake that it was to leave Highgarden undefended, which is something that the combined minds of Danaerys, Tyrion, Olenna, Varys and Yara would never have done.
You're right. Going to Dragonstone doesn't really make sense when your ally sits on the most strategic stonghold in the country. Glad you liked the video :D
@@CultureVultureMedia1 And not only strategic, but also a solution for the source of food for both the militia and the dragons, both problems you rightly listed.
@@abraxasbrother Man, I could go on about military strategy-errors, but that alone would warrant an entirely seperate UA-cam channel :P I'd feel silly listing every single one in this video. I hope I got the biggest ones down at least.
Adding to that, they actually could try win the kingdom's landing economically, not by force, only applying force tactically to defend resources when Cersei and Tyrells have conflicting orders regarding their farming lands. Not queen of the ashes, right?
The Varys threatening Melisandra is explained in an earlier season. He doesn't trust people who use magic. It was a Sorcerer who mutilated him. He talks about it with Tyrion when they are preparing for Stannis. He also knew she was the one who was consuling Stannis.
@@MJAce85 we kept being told that, but didnt see it actually play out: Melisandre burned several people without consequences to her. The justification that Varys himself didn't like her and so would threaten her with vague warnings doesn't fit his character as built in the early seasons.
Sansa was one of my favorite characters in the middle seasons but it becomes so hard to defend her when you see how dirty her character was done in the later seasons.
@@CultureVultureMedia1 😊 It feels so good to hear somebody say they also wanted to see her character better utilized. People usually want to say they just hated her … or they don’t have much of an opinion I guess. In the books from what I understand, she upholds the values that Grrm is trying to tell with the series. Her believing in the structures and the songs she grew up on was not bad but it’s incompatible with the very ugly world that she is in. In the books, she is growing and adapting while staying true to herself and Alayne sounds like she’s going to be great fun in Winds of Winter 😌
@@MalloryNewcomb Yeah, I'm really looking forward to reading about her being a player in the Game of Thrones. I'm sure George won't go the same strange route as the show :P
Randall threatened to (and would have) killed his own son Sam if he didn't relinquish his title to his younger brother. He has no right talking about Tyrion killing his own father.
Massive point. Kind of wish I would have brought that up in the video. Perhaps he thinks himself to be above his sons as a parent. We aren't really like that in the west these days, but lots of cultures still hold extremely strict age hierarchies. Some even diefy parents to this day (source: have lived in Indonesia).
@@CultureVultureMedia1 Dude ... when it comes to this subject matter your videos are one of the best I've ever seen on UA-cam. Definitely 1 of my favorite UA-cam channels to follow for sure.
@@alfredborden5675 This really warms my heart. To be amongst someone's favourite channels is huge. Thank you very much for taking the time to write such kind words and feedback :)
@@alfredborden5675 It would've been nice had Dany brought that up to Randyll (having spoken to Jon) and asked why he was content giving one son all honours and the other nothing even though Sam is a warrior in his own right. In character Dany would have burned Randyll yet kept Dickon alive. There should have been a scene where Dickon learned the truth about his brother, leading to him questioning his loyalty for his father.
Dude, this is so freaking great. Usually it really annoys me when theres too much editing and memes in the middle of lists but every single one you do is short and funny, absoutely fantastic video. Also, every time you very casually say teleport instead of came or arrived, I burst laughing
Thank you very much for the high praise! It genuinly warms my heart when somone notices the details of my work. I'm glad you enjoyed the video! Hope to keep you entertained :)
Sansa literally watched Cersei try to stop Ned's execution and then claimed she killed him. I understand her being confused about who was behind the Red Wedding, and that even if Cersei didn't wield the knife she still could be behind it, but there's absolutely no way she holds Cersei responsible for Ned's death
@@Kikiricki11To be fair, if someone trapped my father in a building and then a psychopath came and blew up the building but was killed not long after, I’d say the person who trapped him in the building killed him too.
@@TheSuperhomosapien THANK YOU! the Hound saved Arya EXACTLY because of this scene, the treachery was so tremendous for him he gave up his position in King's landing and went rogue, saving her in the process. Magically he forgot all that, I guess his time working for that village after Arya left him to die brainwashed him that hard
Season 7 was horrendous; all the character choices were dumb as hell, and it didn't solve any of the conflicts from season 6 at all. Everything in season 7 was pointless.
@@TommorowISNAP The character assassination of Stannis Baratheon, the Sansa marriage plot line, the botched Dorne Arc, and the lack of character development for Jon, Dany, and Tyrion.
Why did Delores Ed even ask Bran who he was at the gate on the wall? They already invited all the wildlings to come south. Who was he trying to keep out? Don’t they want every living person to be south of the wall anyways lol
I thought his darkened hair was supposed to be chopped up to like the conditions. He was held prisoner and pretty dirty and/or he was traveling and in battles causing him to be dirty and his hair to not be it's usual golden color.... That's my opinion or Outlook at least
I know this isn't at all important, but couldn't the night king have brought the dragon back to life under the water? Then they wouldn't have needed to teleport chains and the visual of the dragon breaking out of the ice would have been dope as hell
That's actually a great suggestion I don't think I've heard before. It would have probably also cost less to do. Just have the Night King walk into the water, not like he needs to breathe, and bring the dragon to life.
The only "deep" meaning I can discern from the ending is that Blood Raven succeeded in consuming and becoming Brann, so him saying "what do you think ive come all this way for?" or whatever is Brynden Rivers sneakily saying 'I win"
Yes - in the books, it's implied that warging isn't just mind control, it's a permanent magical bond between two beings, to the point of them "merging" - the distinction between them becoming blurred. That means that Bran hasn't so much been hijacked by Bloodraven, but rather become one and the same with him. And all the Targaryen kings that Bloodraven attempted to warg are in there too.
You skipped one in Episode 3: Tyrion, a very well read man, says "The Rock has never been taken" when in fact... the Lannisters took it from another family. Not by force, sure, but they still took it from them.
Well, being fair to Tyrion, back there the Rock wasnt as such fortress as it is in the present, the Rock was being build and improve throughout the centuries.
31:00 -- Sansa is right though about all her accusations: *Littlefinger turned sister against sister when he kept toying with Lysa's feelings, despite never being in love with her (and still having feeling for Catelyn). Lysa's jealousy made both sisters become distant. Also, Lysa murdered Jon Arryn for him, which set everything in motion. *He betrayed Catelyn by getting her husband arrested which ultimately led to his death. And Ned wouldn't have been in King's Landing in the first place if Jon Arryn, the previous Hand Of The King, were still alive. *He claimed he loved Sansa (he even kissed her)...and then sold her to Ramsey Bolton, whose father was responsible for that Red Wedding that killed her mother, brother, and other family members.
All true, however, the devil is in the details: "That's what you do, isn't it? You turn sister against sister..." No, he's not in the business of turning sisters against each other - he turns people against each other. Yes, he did that with Lysa and Catelyn, but that's it. Turning Arya and Sansa against each other doesn't count because it didn't work (and let's be honest, S7 is basically badly written fan fiction anyway). Betraying Ned is too far fetched to call it a betrayal to Catelyn as well, at least in my opinion. Baelish helped and warned Ned on several occassions -partially out of his love for Cat-, and in the end, betraying Ned wasn't personal, he just secured his position. The show made the point that Baelish genuinly didn't know how bad Ramsey was (wether that makes sense of not), by having him actually care for Sansa and begging her forgiveness. We never see so much as a wry smile to suggest otherwise. Perhaps I'm splitting hairs here, but what do you think?
I absolutely agree with this comment and it felt more like an extension of the obvious hatred he has for Sansa even though she was correct here. it’s nit picky to say she’s wrong because he doesn’t only turn sisters against each other. He has done exactly that and thus it is something he does. it was absolutely a betrayal of Catelyn to betray Ned Stark and he deceived her when he lied about it being Tyrion who stole the dagger the assassin had. he betrayed Sansa when he sold her to the Boltons whether he knew how bad Ramsay was or not, he knew the Boltons were directly responsible in murdering her brother and mother with the Lannisters. That is certainly a betrayal. I was put off by this part because it was obvious you wanted to hate on Sansa rather than really consider what she was saying.
@@CultureVultureMedia1 They made Bran a robot no emotions didn't consider them family anymore, why bother having him go back to Winterfell? For the "Epic" Dark as shit battle? The whole thing makes zero sense. Bran should of been the one to call out Littlefinger. Season 7 there was no need for Littlefinger anymore really from the shit writing of D & D. They had so much more they could taken from the books that were already out and left it as cliffhanger even in case someone else came along to finish it would of been so much better than the teleportation the weak character arcs etc....
@@Melissa-hd3jr Reading Dance with Dragons right now and I agree, Arya is great. Shame they ruined her like that, I thought Maisie played her very well.
It also seemed to be established in Jon's first encounter with the night king that the whites don't go into the water, they all stopped and stood on the land in front of the water which created the badass staring scene, but here the whites go in the water, swim underwater and find the dragon, attach physical chains to it, swim back to the surface, and in cohesion use their strength to pull it out. This season was not scrutinized enough when it aired, everyone was all hype about how it is going to end but the narrative of going across the wall to kidnap a white and bring it back to kingslanding is the goofiest/stupidest plot they could have done. I can't imagine the characters actually doing this, or even a person writing this and going bro that's fucking heat, put it in the final script as the main storyline of the entire season. It is so out of place from everything else in the series, you can just tell this is the tv writers making that up and not something the author would do. I remember watching this and going uhhh wat? And it doesn't even amount to anything, they do this, then just all go back to the north without any extra help. To me that whole plot is where the show completely jumped ship into being a wacky 2nd series from when it was actually good. It's so over the top ridiculous, the main characters are going to go take a white, place it in a bag, and carry this bag back across the wall to then travel to kingslanding with it, it is so mind numbingly stupid, and that happened in what could have been the best show of all time. Crazy good video tho, so many good points I hadn't considered.
There's an important distinction. In the first case, Jon was on an ice sheet floating ON TOP of the water. Creatures that can only walk underwater can't reach that. In the second case, they have had all the time in the world to break the ice near the margins of the body of water, walk in, attach the chains, and then walk out. No swimming involved.
One error I see being quite overlooked by most is Daenerys' massive army landing on Dragonstone. This is such a bad move, I am baffled at the fact that no one thought otherwise. Why land a huge host on a tiny island with little food to eat, water to drink, or space to dock a massive fleet? They should have landed in Dorne or Storm's End, then go to Dragonstone as a base of operations once they are ready to strike, not before. Landing in Dragonstone let me to believe Daenerys was ready and planning to attack King's Landing at that very moment (which is a good move), and yet no one else objected to docking somewhere else despite not wanting to attack there (which is a terrible move).
Someone pointed out that they ought to have made their way to Highgarden and made camp there. It's the most valuable stronghold in the country seeing as it has all the food. Makes sense to me.
Why settle down on an island with little food? Because Daenerys' armies of tens of thousands of men luckily don't need food. Haven't' you noticed also when they are out travelling, for instance to The North? Food is really no problem!
I have searched the vastness of the UA-cam for ironic comedy like this and truer words might never be spoken with such lovely sarcasm. Chapeau to you, Sir! 😅
What made Aegon King wasn't his beauty smile. Was his dragons. Daenaerys KIND OF FORGOT this. She came from Essos with 3 Dragons and won't use them. Because if she do, she would be "bad" or "crazy". However was exactly what Aegon did!
She was breaking the wheel in her mind. She didn't want to follow in the exact footsteps of her ancestors. And then... She did. Such a 180 of a character.
The thing of the loot train attack is exactly what had already happened with Aegon. The two houses responsible for Casterly Rock and Highgarden didn't want to bend the knee, so Aegon burnt them all and obliterated both houses. The Lannisters and Tyrells bent the knee beforehand and therefore were given the territories to rule. Tyrion kept on shaming her for burning the the whole thing when that's how his house first got power. I hate how ppl view Dany as crazy for thinking of doing what Aegon did. It could even be pointed out by her as inconsistent and hypocritical of others, to see her as crazy when they saw Aegon as a conquerer. But nah, that was a one-way ticket to keep on telling (not showing) the audience that Dany was going cray-cray
@@heyitsmira17the Lannisters got rid of the Casterlys long before Aegon came along as ruled as Kings of the Rock before his arrival. The only reason the Lannisters lived was because Loren the Last survived the Field of Fire and had the sense to bend the knee to Aegon.
What happened to Season 7 is like if you were copying someones tests and passing each one with an A all semester, but then the person who you were copying from misses the final exam and you had no one to copy from and end up failing the final exam and class.
Great analogy. Or, the whole year of copying went well, and then the last test of the year is different for you and your copy partner, but you didn't know it until you got the big F
@@MJAce85 I like that analogy too, specifically for the Dany goes crazy part. In the books, there's enough of it there to make a convincing argument for when she breaks "if I look back I am lost" but in the show that's all missing. So I can buy book Dany going full aegon but I can't buy show Dany doing it.
@@Kelarys yeah, interestingly enough i thought "if i look back i am lost" a means to suppress trauma and Quaithe has been trying to manipulate her all this time.
The real messed up part is that it’s taken more than a decade for the new book to come, I feel like 90% of these mistakes would’ve been avoided if we had George R. R. Martin new book released or finish the story
Well, the REAL Ellaria Sand has four daughters - none of which is present in the show - so they REALLY screwed that up, as Tyene is the illegitimate child of a septa, not Ellaria. The show is ambiguous about whether or not it's presenting Obara and Nymeria also as Ellaria's daughters, or if Ellaria's ACTUAL four daughters exist off-screen, so when Cers....ahhh, seven hells: screw it.
I was wondering about that, I couldn't remember if they ever mentioned who Ellaria's daughters were in the show because I basically have all of seasons 5 to 8 blocked out of my memory. I always just assumed Oberyns 4 youngest were all Ellaria's because thats whats written in the books, and changing that makes no sense. But then again Ellaria's entire character assassination's in season 5 onward makes no sense.
I think the writer's knew that much of their success was unearned and realized this as they ran out of source material and were then forced to prove how much they understood the world and the characters they've been writing for. Which could easily lead them to resenting the show entirely. So when you say they made decisions only someone who hated the show could make.. you may not be very far off from the truth. They sprinted away from this show because drawing it out with more seasons would've just been a longer, more painful process of exposing them for what they really are.
It's in this kind of situation that we realize that modesty is a virtue. I think it would have been well accepted if they had been frank in saying that their strong point was adaptations. And now that the series has surpassed the books they no longer really know where to take the story. The only thing that explains why they didn't decide to leave the show runner position to other people is their ego. all this leaves a bitter taste in the mouth, like "I don't know where to take the boat so I'm sinking it so that no one else takes the helm and takes the credit for having succeeded"
@PepitoMegaChocolato I like what you said, except I would replace the virtue of modesty with the virtue of honesty. There's nothing wrong with being proud of earned success, imo. It was their rationalizations that got them into hot water. They were evading the truth and lying to themselves. Ego, self-esteem, or whatever you choose to call it is a great thing if it's real, and it's only real if it's earned.
@@johngleue The way I see things, even with deserved success I tend to believe that we have to be careful with 'pride'. Keeping your feet on the ground in all cases is beneficial, pride is the most pernicious thing for the human spirit. We all have a particularly weak spirit which is too easily carried away by the syndrome of hubris. This is precisely what caused the downfall of these showrunners and which took the series with them into the abyss of oblivion. The moral of this story is that if you start something strong you have to finish strong, otherwise all the work done in between is forgotten. Basically it's funny, we find themes present in Game of Thrones in the behavior of these two showrunner.
@PepitoMegaChocolato I think real pride is precisely what this world is missing and needs more of. We're all so secondhanded and obsessed with embracing a morality that tries to distance one from self. As if pushing the self away is the only way to achieve true virtue. It's silly and just plain wrong. You either live for yourself and the values you've cultivated (firsthandedness), or you live for others and live for values that are thrust upon you by either tradition, conventionality, or contrarianism (secondhandedness). It comes down to collectivism and individualism.
@@CultureVultureMedia1 I wanted to ask you about the tarlys. some argue that Cersei by her marriage to Robert and the birth of her children has become a kind of queen mother and that she is legitimate by marriage. and therefore that the tarlys have committed no treason. it seems stupid to me like westeros applies the principles of medieval China now? is there a precedent? I don't read too many books so I'm not sure. I always understood that legitimacy by blood was a priority.
@@phaoragenesisdiraskreia8877 I’m not 100% sure, but Queen mothers don’t strike me as having anywhere near the same status as a king. I don’t think a staunch old patriarch like Randyl would be so eager to submit to Cersei :P
What still drives me up the wall is the way Daenerys made Cersei suspicious by only taking two out of three dragons to Kings Landing. That was just way too odd. Why not just take one?
I can see Tyrion being forgiven by Davos, but there should’ve been more bonding between the characters before even considering any sort of wise cracks between them about the whole ordeal
The part about Sanza promising to not speak against Jon and then doing it afterwards isn't necessarily an error with the show but an error with her character. Yes, it's probably just the bad writing, but it could also be done intentionally since characters aren't perfect.
Yeah, it's not as inconsistent as I make it out to be, I admit that. What IS inconsistent is her character development that includes this overly dramatic behaviour. It's really not about character being "realistic" and "imperfect", it's about having consistency. Suddenly sprouting new traits left and right (especially in Arya's case) doesn't make sense, it needs build up.
@@CultureVultureMedia1 I always thought they had in mind that Sansa wanted to steal/betray Jon from the moment they reunited at the Wall but the development of that was terrible. Why else would she mention the Knights of the Vale before the the Battle of the Bastards and continuous defy him in front of the northern Lords. She was playing the game for his crown à la Littlefinger, but poorly written. And won.
@@CultureVultureMedia1 This was a common mistake in the early parts of the video that were frequent enough to make me just stop watching it, you were finding fault with characterization, some of which has been long since established. The biggest one, which made me stop watching the video, was saying that Verys levied the veiled threat at the Red Priestess for no reason...his hatred for magic and its practitioners is probably his third most established character trait after "eunech" and "spider".
@@cyrusambrose4547 Yeah, a lot of people misinterpret this point, unfortunately, which is largely on me. We know Varys hates magic and fanatacism, but what doesn't make sense is for him to start bullying Kinvara when he is the one asking her for help. Hate her all you want, just don't be a dumbass when playing politics. It's not in line with his character. Again, I could have made that more clear.
Literally every scene with Arya and most scenes with Sansa were teeth-grinding turbo cringe or just outright stupid. Jamie not keeping his redemption was also a huge fail. Bran was also the worst choice, basically all he did was know everything with a smug face but never explain anything to anyone. I got really sick of him too.
@@MJAce85 Turns out they were just pretending to be mad at eachother to trick Littlefinger! All the scenes they had alone together were just an act in case he's listening to them 😂🤮
@@johns1625 That's a good way to look at it, but there did seem to be some extra BS tension that was most definitely thrown in as something a little beyond some show they were putting on for LF. It was also a show for us. Like when she found all those masks and was so aghast.
Varys threatening Melisandre actually makes some sense. They’re entire back story is anti-magic and there’s several conversations they had confirming Varys hated magic users
@@CultureVultureMedia1 i’d say empty threats are empty threats but he has a reason to be afraid of her or at least he had a reason to hate her. i wonder what he did with his old master in that box of his lol. what is weird is the whole mereen political shitshow. How tyrion ends up the hand and dissing theon and yara when they arrive with ships is just weird to me
Varys was suppose to be just as smart and cunning as Littlefinger. This season he started openly making threats and plotting treason in broad daylight with treasonous letters splayed across his desk. Frigging ridiculous
@@themellowpea yeah, but would the Varys of seasons 1-4 drop empty threats because he "didn't like someone"? It's implied that he didn't like the Baratheon court, but his emotions were always subjected to his dedication to supporting supporting stability of the land. If Melisandre's powers could be useful to Daenyrs, why try to scare her off?
Your 2nd sentence says it all. This show could have gone down in history as the greatest this to ever appear on screen. Instead, it’s just forgotten. That’s worse than being bad. It’s just, gone.
What I really loved in the first seasons were indeed character interactions. It's good drama. The final seasons had less of that, many scenes ended up being cut to the next scene just as a character was about to begin sharing their experience to another.
26:03 This is very true .. In a scene from a previous season Sam expresses his concern about the white walkers crossing the wall, and one of the maesters tells him that the wall was built with magic that prevents them from crossing it. I think the magic was put to prevent magical beings (ae: dragons, walkers, wights .. ) from crossing the wall. But the show kinda forgot about it.
@@soxpeewee The part i mentioned in my comment is from the TV show, but in the books, Brandon Stark says a similar thing .. As for the "weakening" of it's magic, i don't remember that part, but i do remember The Horn Of Winter, and the theories suggest that either Mance or Euron will blow the horn and destroy the wall
I was having problems with the size of the Unsullie changing back and fourth. When the finished the battle, it looked like there weren’t many Unsullie left. Then when the ships sunk, i thought they were done. But when they went to fight Cersei, the size grew, and when they finished fighting, the Unsullie changed to the size which she started! 🙄😵💫🥴
Dany just keeps spawning new soldiers. Remember when in season 8 all the Dothraki suicide charged into the Night King's army? 2 episodes later they just respawned to attack King's Landing.
The worst part was the giant void of reaction when Jon learns Arya is alive...he cares so little he doesn't even send every single one of his men to search for her the second her returns to Winterfell.
5:40 It is also mentioned in the books that the eunuchs of the Unsullied are _completely_ cut, stem and all. Another night of being disappointed by men for Missandei, but she's probably used to it.
I very much despised season 7, and not just with the retrospection of season 8. The logical inconsistencies (like Daenarys being able to save them beyond the wall before they froze to death) and the character destruction (like Littlefinger's downfall) killed me. When they said season 7 would be cut down to 7 episodes, I figured that meant the writing would be more top notch than seasons 5 and 6 were, which had already seen a drop from season 4. Instead, it went completely off the rails.
GoT could have been the greatest but they choose to white wash the villains killing their characters so that by season 5 they were unrecognizable and even worse they made the supposed heroes into idiots who only win because the plot needs them to win. The cracks were there long in advance but battles always made people forget them.
You’re attacking the best aspect of the show to my mind. The one thing Dan and Dave did absolutely right! They didn’t whitewash the villains, they stayed true to George’s writing.. to the degree that the dialog writers didn’t occasionally butcher his work anyway. In depth character development and highlighting the internal struggles of light and dark is what George does best, what makes his writing a compelling read. He stresses the very real point that nobody is either all good or all bad. People are complex, and through his character development he lures you to feel sympathetic for those that had previously enraged you. Makes you see their humanity; Jaime’s love for Cercei, Tyrion’s ultimate love for his family including Cercei. And while the whole world seems to disagree with me on this; how Daenerys turned murderously insane overnight. After losing two of her dragons, and Missande and Jorah and Jon, she became untethered from reality, no longer grounded, alone. If her character is to truly be believable, there was no other course. It would be unrealistic to think a person could lose all those closest to them in very short order and not lose touch with reality whilst astride a fire breathing dragon. This was a specialty of Stephen King’s, what made books like Carrie and Pet Cemetery so very horrifying and at the same time so compelling you couldn’t put the horror down. Because nearly every word is what a character is thinking, because we humans in extreme circumstances, can go from civilized to insane much faster than you might imagine. For me it cranked up the tension in seasons seven and eight because I’d come to relate on some level with all of the characters. That’s George’s intent. He hooked me with his slick writer’s trick, turn the tables and confuse how you feel about all the characters, and then bring em all together to fight one another!
@@mischevious Except George didn't write any of 5, 6, 7, 8. All that internal thinking found in books can only be suggested on screen, always a challenge for screenwriters, and why many books just don't translate accurately to screen (like most Stephen King novels, since you brought them up). What this vid and comments are hitting on are the easy plot developments that don't sync up with the tight storytelling of the first few seasons, unexplained events and behaviors that we the audience have to fill in as best we can, abandoned subplots and characters, and heavy, heavy doses of lapses in basic logic (like Arya shaking off multiple abdominal stab wounds as if she were barely scratched).
@@jgregveneklasen2657 Lol yes, I admit that the only explanation for Arya’s outpatient recovery is that Lady Crane got her soup recipe direct from Mary Poppins. But then again!; The Lord of Light! blah blah blah.. “If you don’t shut yer trap the lord of light’s gonna wonder why he brought you back to life nineteen (?) times just to watch me throw you over a wall!” Everyone was just doing the lord’s work. Explains everything! Lol
I tried rewatching the show a few times now and I can’t get past the first episode, as soon as I see the white walkers I yell “it’s all pointless” and throw something at my tv! Personally the biggest disappointment to me was how short winter was and how quickly the night king and his army was destroyed… good god talk about a let down.
Yup, huge build up to a HUGE battle, and then meh. I kinda felt it was the Night King who would bring winter, but you're right, the multi-year weather pattern was established right off. It would have been really cool (if you'll excuse the expression) to see winter creep in at King's Landing where they were unfamiliar with it - like snow in L.A. That would give the advantage to the Northerners who know how to handle cold. But, as with so many major story arcs, "Winter is Coming" was dispensed of as inconvenient.
Thank you! Season 7 is just as stupid as season 8. It really goes like this: Season 1&2: Pure Gold Season 3&4: Extremely high quality Season 5&6: Good fun Season 7&8: Crap
@@martinportelance138 But the torture porn of Theon was really bothersome, even more so because it was ultimately not as important as all the screen time given to it would suggest. First hints that a lot of needless violence was coming because D&D thought it would be cool.
Love your video bro. Personally, I do not blame Tyrion for Viserion's death like a lot of fans do. He suggested the Wight Hunt, but Jon and Jorah "volunteered" themselves to go instead of sending no name brave idiots from within their soldiers (something Davos points out during this meeting).
Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it :D Yeah Tyrion might as well have not believed in the Walkers and just played along, thinking that people can run away and play if the want to. Worst case they bring back proof and the continent unites.
I've always been so irritated at the Davos/Tyrion dynamic... and House Tarly like weren't they sworn to the Targaryens during the rebellion so I'm confused as to where this Lannister loyalty comes from.... I can't even begin with The Beyond the Wall episode gosh... Great Video Though!!!
As much as i agree with alot of this. The ‘teleporting’ happens because there arent as many different storylines running as the previous seasons. So it just doesnt feel like enough time has passed between scenes
That's still the shows fault. If they didn't have enough story to fill time to account for the realistic timescale of travel set in the better seasons, then write some. They made up all of this anyways, just write in more story and stretch out the shows end runtime to account for events requiring time to occur.
They had so much material to work with, and instead of using that material to properly tell the story, they decided to cut it off at 8 seasons, make the seasons shorter, and stuff everything into some small timeline. The rush was completely unnecessary, and had they used the time they definitely would have had, Im pretty positive the ending we got would have made much more sense. A big problem was how rushed everything was, which made it sloppy by design. The last two seasons were snakebit just by virtue of the big rush to get to the end.
it's sad to see what littlefinger has become, from the guy who was prepared to face every scenario to the guy who just got caught by "surprise" even tho it was the most obvious one he had faced, great character sadly killed by time and time only
The craziest thing about Season 7 is how little of a threat Cersi really is. It only took Dany a couple of hours to win King's landing. She could have took the throne before traveling up to Winterfell. I didn't really enjoy this season because season 6 was when I realized that the show had gone to shite.
That dragons destruction of the walls are epic. I cant believe that the only thing that prevented the white walkers from passing through are their stupidity of bringing dragons that had eventually destroyed the walls. How incredibly idiot they are.
Yeah, they should have put the Horn of Winter in the plot somehow, even if it was just the Night King "finding it somehow", would have been way better than what we got lol.
I never looked at that as why. They were waiting to build up their army and after hardhome and getting a dragon they were good to go. Even with the massive army they still lost.
@@letsgobrandon8101 Yeah, except they already had a massive army of the dead from the supposedly inhospitable land beyond the wall. Instead of waiting around and letting the nights watch slowly put the pieces together, they should’ve just launched a surprise attack. They could’ve easily broken through.
Bran said he can see anything, anywhere in the world. He could warg into somewhere west of Westeros or somewhere with a map and he could find what's west of Westeros rather than Arya leaving at the end of season 8.
This is absolutely well edited. Though I don't care for or seen anything beyond season 1 of Game of Thrones at all, I downright loved this clip. Hats off to you, my man.
Not mentioned in the show, but Rheagar believed he would have a prophecy baby called Aegon, so when he met Lyanna he gave it a second shot just in case.
Man I wish you all the success with these videos, they are by far the most entertaining videos on GoT I've watched in a while :) Really hope we find out what George R Martin does with these plotlines in the books (hopefully soonTM)!
Thanks a lot, that really warms my heart! I'm glad you enjoy my videos :D I think George has the plotlines under control, even if he might regret sprawling out in so many directions.
Great video. So many brilliant points, and more in the comments section. I always felt that if D&D wanted to give up, they should have enlisted the fans, like yourselves, who knew the material so well that they could’ve helped them figure out the seasons from 5 onwards. Then we wouldn’t have lost what could have been one of the greatest TV shows of all time. The death of Viserion (I would have had it done differently from the suicide mission) would have been the perfect opportunity for Dany to begin losing her mind. But, no, she barely showed any emotion when he was ripped from the sky. Hell, I was more upset than Dany was when Viserion died! I was thinking about the Starks and their warging abilities recently. It was infuriating that they didn’t utilise that more, even just in conversation. Arya telling Gendry she has wolf dreams, for example. Bran not warging into one of the dragons is another huge missed chance! Damn. Arya was one of my favourite characters. I hated her smug face by the end of this season. By season 8, I only cared about Drogon, Rhaegal and Ghost. You’re right. Season 7 is awful!
This is a really well put together video essay!! I enjoy how you don’t take cheap shots at the idiocy of things, all your points make a ton of sense, especially things like Jon thinking Bran was dead or why Dany thinks Jamie is alive after drowning
Don't forget Benjin saying dead things can't pass to the other side of the wall due to powerful magic built into its foundations, and yet they were able to bring a wight across and it was fine!
Thank you so much for the encouragement guys! I hope the wait was worth it. I put a lot of effort and care into this video. Please let me know what you think
Love your videos on GOT. It's so sad that it ended so poorly because of the last few seasons because it used to be one of the best written shows for the first half of the series.
Indeed. Delighted you enjoy the videos!
Its all over and there's nothing we can do to change it except opening old wounds! I cannot even re-watch all the seasons anymore knowing how screwed it will get at the end. Used to do that from time to time.
One mistakes that most don't see, is when Ramsay tells John Snow that his hounds have been starving for days. At that moment, Sansa had left. How could she know that fact when she told it to Ramsay before letting the hounds kill him?
Great video. Excellent quality. Will watch again in the future.
It still drives me wild that Arya didn't take Littlefinger's face! The second she killed him I remember my sister and I turning to eachother and cheering because of course that was how Arya would finaly get close enough to Cersei. Such a waist of all the Faceless man stuff.
Not to mention the waste of Bran, who other than illuminating some things in the past, hardly uses his ‘powers’. Sam stealing the ‘restricted Maester’s books’ apparently was another waste of time & crime🤷♀️
Maybe she did, maybe she didn't. A boy don't share his secrets
@@hebi172 Yes, the writers wrote the later seasons of the show in such a way that the audience has to assume almost everything. They gave us no information, yet things happened. Lol
Jesus this comment is fucking cringe
yep, they really did fuck all with the faceless shit.... she did not go through all that just to pose as walter frey
Bran's explanation for anything he's asked since becoming the three-eyed raven is "trust me, I'm a tree."
😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣
The books left it at Brandon leaving the tree and the story of how Hodor lost his ability to speak. D&D had no idea what to do with brand at that point and it all fell apart.
"Trust me, I am groot"
Well when you can warg into animals and describe events accurately then people would tend to trust you i think
What bothers me the most is that what once felt like a huge world filled with many differents houses, kingdoms and charachters at the end felt so reduced to an only stark targaryen lannister affair barely any of their bannerman or any other great house. It was all so contained at the end while on the other side the books are ever expanding in scale(maybe that's the reason he won't finish them) but anyway
So expanded they weren’t even finished lol
EXACTLY how I feel. It felt like such a vibrant world even after the red wedding and then everything just shrank. Even the map of Westeros apparently...
@@R1sk1t-B1sk1t at least they never feel like a soap, which the later show does
@@R1sk1t-B1sk1t NG, if the fact that they aren't finished is what is making them rich with the expanded houses and the great characters then I'm fine with it. Instead of getting it to follow this show in its attempt to just wrap it up, its gotten so much more interesting with the expanded plots and characters.
*characters
Cersei is shocked at seeing a white walker zombie even though she literally has a zombie bodyguard following her everywhere.
Yeah but if you cut the Mountains’s arm off it’s not gonna take off after you. He’s also not immortal like the NK’s command crew. I understand your point but there’s a bit of a difference. But they could both be considered zombies, you’re right.
I can deal with that. What I can't abide is that their master plan was to "sneak" past the Wall, find a walker and take it back to Winterfell a month's ride away. Of course it worked out wonderfully, and they were rescued by the dragon on a frozen lake in the middle of nowhere that the dragon somehow found just in the nick of time. Horrible, horrible writing. I don't think there is any show in the existence that started so good and ended so bad.
Haha I’m rewatching and that’s what I was thinking too. Like how’s she thinking walking dead can’t be real when she’s got a walking dead no matter how he was made.
@@alexmartin3143in the books he has no head. If his helmet is removed he is headless with gushing black blood flowing out. His head was sent to Dorne after the Mountain Viper incident. So yep he's immortal and he's immortal pretty much in the show too after the experiments. He only dies from extreme circumstances (thrown off highest building into fire and stone) and there's no proof he even died. Who says the mountain died? We never saw his body.
@@Shannon-vv6rrI thought the head was fake
Sansa: I thought you were the three eyed raven
Bran: it’s not difficult to explain. You know how someone is a king, until they die? Then someone else is now king? It’s exactly that.
It's so complicated not even the smartest person in the world would understand.
Sorry my cat wanted to say something about it
The man literally just had to say "it's a title" and nothing else.
I hate when lines are said for the viewers, and not for the actual characters they're interacting with. There are so many examples of this in the later seasons.
@@thehoogard Right! Excellent point.
its crazy how fast the show went from feeling historical, VAST, mystical, and tolkienesque.... to feeling like a CW show.
If you ask me, HOTD feels more like 6-8 GOT than 1-5. I know it’s not right now but history will look back on it that way
@@countof3everybodyOD oh I can attest, esp. HOTD season 2. Watch them f it up with how much they're tying this show to the turd that is the later seaaons of GOT.
@countof3everybodyOD It's somewhere in between in terms of writing quality
Maybe leaning towards season 5-8 bc it's nowhere near the masterpiece television that seasons 1-4 were
What's CW?
@@danielisrael7856 yeah whats CW
I had truly thought that Arya's ability would play into the death of Cersei. In the prophecy she is killed by her younger brother. Both brothers were younger (Jaime followed her in birth, as an allegory for his life) , and I thought Jaime would complete his arc, sacrificing himself for the living, and Arya using his face to kill Cersei. Fulfilling her list and satisfying the prophecy and Jaime's redemption arc. Good Lord. This is just one possibility that is worlds better than what we were given.
No one wants a predictable series. I loved the ending.
@@mosesnzioka8549 I know right? Ned Stark should have appeared with a lightsaber at the end and killed everybody before declaring himself the King of Gondor. Nobody would see that coming.
@@mosesnzioka8549 I wish I was as easily entertained as you. When you get bored do you just dangle some keys in front of your face for a few hours?
@@RipperMaggoo yeah how did you know. Also i rewatch the episode where walter white chases a fly during the whole episode in breaking bad
@@mosesnzioka8549 Well obviously, that's just intelligent storytelling.
Seasons 1-5: Meticulously plotted, timelined and paced.
Seasons 6-8: Let's wrap this shit up, we got movies to write.
That's exactly what happened 😳
Seasons 1-5 let's f**k anything that moves and develop the story as slowly as we can . Boring crap made for nerd virgins .
@@TheSavagederekAnd what do you think about seasons 6-8 then smart guy?
@@Icetea-2000 not much nerd virgin 🤣
@@TheSavagederek Lmfao, said the guy that sat through 5 whole season of a show he hated, what a dumbass
What seems so ridiculous to me in season 7&8 is that no matter when or where Dany's army plans to attack the iron fleet just teleports there and with a consistent amount of ships as if there were no casualties im the earlier battle.
Yes, the endless supply of extras was just ludricrous, combined with throwing away any acknowledgement of the passage of time that they so carefully built up in the first three seasons. So lazy and sloppy, it was crazy-making.
"Hey I know I just got elected king after admitting to killing my brother (who also happened to be the previous king), but go make me a thousand ships. Don't worry about where to get the timber, silk, or men to crew these ships on the barren islands on which we reside. Don't ask why we haven't built these ships and conquered the seas already if the resources were there.
Also these ships will need to be able to teleport, have cloaking fields, and be armed with a groundbreaking new anti-dragon weapon that will either easily travel miles into the air with extreme accuracy and power (and can shred other ships to boot), or miss completely against a single target."
"Give us a month--two tops--and you got it boss."
If the Wights could swim underwater to put chains on a dragon, they could probably swim around the massive oceans on both sides of the Wall
Or swung around it like Spiderman using their chains.
They kinda forgot about that
To quote D&D “it was kind of forgot”
I assume that the magic within the wall extended into the sea as well, otherwise there's no reason why the wights couldn't have just walked around underwater.
@@panthera9151 they were shown to be unable to swim at Hardholme
However, they were shown to be able to swim while carrying steel chains when getting Viserion
Biggest broken thing in season 7 is the fact that (most) got along with Cersei as the new queen...and her claim is...because reasons.
World building in shambles.
@@CultureVultureMedia1 World salad?
@@kalibhakta8640 Yes. Like fruit salad, but less sweet :(
Her claim makes sense. All of "Roberts" children were dead and she was queen regent. She had a claim. Who else?
@@venisabdijevic1148 How did she have a claim? She was a mother of kings because her husband was a king and "his" children were kings. She herself without her children has no claim. There is no inheritance system that works in a way that random woman who was married to a king becomes a ruler after her children if all of her children die.
The Euron ship thing really pissed me off. I remember thinking at the end of the season how is Euron gonna get enough wood to build so many ships. But nah D&D thought we don’t need to worry about logistics
Also, Cersei had nothing to do with Ned, Catelyn & Robb’s deaths. She was unaware that Joffrey would behead Ned and she was never told by Tywin of the Red Wedding plans and only knew after it happened.
that is just what was indicated in the video..
Cersei was responsible for all of it indirectly at least
Yes we watched the same show Marcus
Sansa would have never known that. She wasn't there when those deaths happened. She just assumed since Cersei was in power, that she must have been responsible.
@@kingzach74Cersei tells Joffrey “This is madness” before Sansa is knocked unconsicious
I was really surprised to see the Tarlys not bend the knee. Lord Tarly was loyal to the Mad King until he was slain, and had to basically give up and go home. You would think he would still be more loyal to the House he pledged allegiance to first.
This!
This is huge.
I think it much more likely in the books that he will refuse to bend the knee to Dany, because he is a misogynist in the book, and wouldn't support a queen as ruler. In the show that wouldn't matter, since he sides with Cersei, but in the book he may refuse while Tommen is still king, or if F-Aegon takes over and he swears allegiance to him first.
This video is stupid
Also loyalty means a lot to the Tarlys,because they built their House's reputation by being loyal soldiers( Randyl delivered the only loss to Robert Baratheon in the rebellion).Them supporting Cersei makes no sense,ESPECIALLY SINCE CERSEI MASS-MURDERED THEIR LIEGES(Tyrells).
The fact that their reason was "we wanted fans to be shocked" STILL blows my mind 🤦🏻♀️
Yes, I was shocked, bewildered even, but not with what they wanted me to be shocked at-
When GRRM passes away, he will release the book. You can than sent him death threats in peace.
@@whoschachtf you yapping about lil buddy
@@anexpertonthematter1468 your mental demise
@@whoschach how does that have anything to do with the previous comment. Actually it's your mental demise the one you should be worried about lil buddy
You forgot one major error. The Lannister and Tarly army besieging Highgarden would have taken weeks, if not months -- not one or two days as presented in the show. Daenerys would have known what was happening and could have sent her dragons and the dothraki to save the Tyrells. Sieges lasted a long time! Also, how would an invading army with no siege weapons even take a castle?
True! Very good point.
A lot of times medieval sieges didnt "take the city" by force. The whole point of a seige is to starve an enemy into submission. If you have the military might to take a castle/fortified city you attack as soon as practical to prevent reinforcements from arriving as well as minimizing the cost of maintaining a fielded army.
It was completely braindead for them to leave Highgarden undefended. It's literally the most important stronghold in the entire South, if not the entire continent! It's the castle that commands the region that literally feeds everyone. No way in earlier seasons that Tyrion and Olenna (to say nothing about the other characters who went with this plan) would have been fine leaving their most valuable asset undefended, especially when any military analysis would have shown it mostly pointless to take the Lannister castle anyways.
@@danlorett2184 But the thing is, even if HighGarden was undefended, it would still be a big challenge for an attacking army to lay siege against a stone-castle. If I recall, I didn't even see any siege weapons (battling rams, siege towers, trebuchets, etc) in the Lannister/Tully army. So how would they even breach the wall or gate? It just seems ridiculous that Highgarden was defeated in one or two days
That to me was the hugest of them all. I remarked at the time that it seemed like Westeros had suddenly become a 30 square mile place. It's specially jarring because in the case of other teleportations, you are generally kept in the dark as to how much time transpired between scenes, but in this one there's that ridiculous scene where Cersei asks the "repo-man" from the Iron Bank to enjoy some hos and wine and wait ONE DAY in the city while she "sorts things out". Seriously.
I was laughing constantly through this. I have to point out an error you missed though. Remember when Benjen said "theres was ancient spells carved in to its foundations. While the wall stands, the dead cannot pass"... yet they managed to take one back anyway with the wall completely intact
Glad you liked the video :D
Yeah, the magic of the wall is completely ignored by the show. The whole mission beyond the Wall is the saddest bit of filler in all the series. I gave them a pass there because they made the decision to ignore the magic system anyway (I already mentioned the dragons being able to fly past the Wall), so I figured I wouldn't waste more time on it.
This could be easily shrugged off by postulating that the magic of the wall prevents them from *intentionally* passing the wall in whichever way, while the one in question *was taken* past it.
I always thought that meant just the White Walkers couldn't pass through but the Wights could if they knew how.🤓🤔
@@VladimirAlexD I mean, we can speculate all we like, but the show definitely did not explain that, because if they had, we could say for sure :(
Surprisingly not an error. The dead are previously taken through the wall, way back in the first book and in Season One, when they take the bodies of Benjen's ranging party back to Castle Black and they attack Mormont. The ancient spells block the Others, not the Wights.
Of course D&D got rid of the distinction between the Wights and the Others because they thought it was too difficult for people. Dragonglass is not supposed to work any more efficiently on Wights and so the Night's Watch says they will use fire against them. But D&D ignored that bit, so it does feel like an error even though it isn't.
9:38 Sansa: "That the woman who murdered my mother, father and brother is dangerous?"
What??? She didn't murder any of those people. Robb and Catelyn were mudered by the Freys who acted under Tywin commands in any case, Cercei had nothing to do with it. And regarding Ned, Joffrey ordered his execution and Cercei (who wanted him to be sent to the wall) actually tried to prevent it from happening. And you were f***ing there Sansa, you saw the whole thing!!
Sansa didn't know that tho
@@Redhood878 She was literally present at the time!
I couldnt stand Sansa, she was stupider than the new Tyrion
@@Redhood878 Don't excuse bad writers. The writing in this season is beyond terrible and makes no sense.
Cersei was Queen Regent and should have controlled Joffrey. It was basically all her fault. She shouldn't have had an affair with Jaime
Littlefinger just needed to say “Trial by combat.”
Good point, but Arya would have sliced him either way after they deny him his distant champion.
I know right
The real Littlefinger would never have been trapped like this.
@@CultureVultureMedia1 he wouldn't have needed a distant champion. He brought the Knights of the Vale north with him and as Lord Protector of said Vale could have ordered one to fight for him. I seem to recall him half ordering half begging for protection and Bronze Yohn Royce telling him what he could go do with himself.
I agree I hated to way little finger was taken out. They could of come up with a much better way. And that's Dan and Dave's fought for not being able to come up with something better. But this is the one and only time I will say it was not all there fault. Aiden Gilley was part to blame he wanted out after season 7 was over for another show on Sc Fi called project blue book. He stared In . A show where he was looking for aliens. So if he was not set on leaving they would have had him in season 8.
"Unfortunately today is not a good day to fight the Night King because today is javelin practice." LMAO That was genius. This whole video is the catharsis we needed. Thank you. Subbed.
I'm glad youy enjoyed it! :D
Welcome aboard!
Bahaha that line makes me giggle :)
One thing that really drove me mad during the confrontation with the Night King was that water proved to be a barrier for the white walkers, despite the fact that their mere presence has been explicity shown multiple times to have an effect on temperature - alerting characters to their approach when their breath starts to steam in the air, and on one occasion (i think when they're at Craster's Keep) LITERALLY CAUSING A PUDDLE OF WATER TO FREEZE OVER. Of all the things the writers could have chosen to act as an obstacle for magical ice-powered ice zombies, they went with an until-very-recently frozen lake 🤦🏼♀️
Having The Houng call a wight "dum c***" was too tempting I guess :/
It’s actually alcohol that freezes over at Crastors! A liquid that doesn’t freeze at 32 degrees but more like -16 degrees! So yea, the Night King should have had no problem freezing over the lake!
The water thing upset me as well, as I also wondered how did they get the chains on the dead dragon to hoist him up?
@@miserableunoriginal Bro could have frozen the ocean and made a pathway for his entire army, yet he doesn't, Like what?
I love how often you mention that they're not wearing hats in winter conditions, because honestly... for people from northern countries, it really is one of the most conspicuous errors. Their ears would have all been black (or gone) when they got back.
More like they won't be back for this exact reason :P
I don't know, I think the more you're used to this weather the less you wear, I haven't worn a hat or gloves since I was a child and forced to do it and I live in a country with about 3 months of below freezing temperatures per year, I stay outside for hours like that, I just don't care and you don't freeze that easily as long as you're moving.
I just had a conversation about that with a friend. They never wear hats because I think it'd harm the visual integrity of the characters. They have a certain look, and putting hats on them changes that in a significant way. However, going north of the wall without a hat looks fucking retarded.
@@c.w.8200 do you live in a place where in winter it's -35/-45 degrees celcius and doing all this ? Or you talking about a western european cold, where those degrees never exist ? Because in places with those kind of negative degrees, you will never "survive" more than 30 minutes outside, if you only wearing what you mentionned.
Amazing video. I wish you emphasized the terrible mistake that it was to leave Highgarden undefended, which is something that the combined minds of Danaerys, Tyrion, Olenna, Varys and Yara would never have done.
You're right. Going to Dragonstone doesn't really make sense when your ally sits on the most strategic stonghold in the country.
Glad you liked the video :D
@@CultureVultureMedia1 And not only strategic, but also a solution for the source of food for both the militia and the dragons, both problems you rightly listed.
@@abraxasbrother Man, I could go on about military strategy-errors, but that alone would warrant an entirely seperate UA-cam channel :P
I'd feel silly listing every single one in this video. I hope I got the biggest ones down at least.
The mind power of all those players combined was no match for D&D's incompetence.
Adding to that, they actually could try win the kingdom's landing economically, not by force, only applying force tactically to defend resources when Cersei and Tyrells have conflicting orders regarding their farming lands. Not queen of the ashes, right?
The Varys threatening Melisandra is explained in an earlier season. He doesn't trust people who use magic. It was a Sorcerer who mutilated him. He talks about it with Tyrion when they are preparing for Stannis. He also knew she was the one who was consuling Stannis.
Yup. He always talks about how against magic he is. And fire/shadow magic is especially frowned upon in Westeros
@@MJAce85 we kept being told that, but didnt see it actually play out: Melisandre burned several people without consequences to her. The justification that Varys himself didn't like her and so would threaten her with vague warnings doesn't fit his character as built in the early seasons.
Sansa was one of my favorite characters in the middle seasons but it becomes so hard to defend her when you see how dirty her character was done in the later seasons.
It's such a shame. She had such potential for an actual arc.
@@CultureVultureMedia1 😊
It feels so good to hear somebody say they also wanted to see her character better utilized. People usually want to say they just hated her … or they don’t have much of an opinion I guess.
In the books from what I understand, she upholds the values that Grrm is trying to tell with the series. Her believing in the structures and the songs she grew up on was not bad but it’s incompatible with the very ugly world that she is in. In the books, she is growing and adapting while staying true to herself and Alayne sounds like she’s going to be great fun in Winds of Winter 😌
@@MalloryNewcomb Yeah, I'm really looking forward to reading about her being a player in the Game of Thrones. I'm sure George won't go the same strange route as the show :P
easily ended up the worst character in the show and prob the writers fault.
Right. But if it is any consolation they did all the characters dirty. 🥴
Randall threatened to (and would have) killed his own son Sam if he didn't relinquish his title to his younger brother. He has no right talking about Tyrion killing his own father.
Massive point. Kind of wish I would have brought that up in the video.
Perhaps he thinks himself to be above his sons as a parent. We aren't really like that in the west these days, but lots of cultures still hold extremely strict age hierarchies. Some even diefy parents to this day (source: have lived in Indonesia).
@@CultureVultureMedia1 Dude ... when it comes to this subject matter your videos are one of the best I've ever seen on UA-cam. Definitely 1 of my favorite UA-cam channels to follow for sure.
@@alfredborden5675 This really warms my heart. To be amongst someone's favourite channels is huge. Thank you very much for taking the time to write such kind words and feedback :)
@@alfredborden5675 It would've been nice had Dany brought that up to Randyll (having spoken to Jon) and asked why he was content giving one son all honours and the other nothing even though Sam is a warrior in his own right.
In character Dany would have burned Randyll yet kept Dickon alive. There should have been a scene where Dickon learned the truth about his brother, leading to him questioning his loyalty for his father.
Read that as " relinquish his tits" first lol. Got an image of Randall having supple milk jugs
Dude, this is so freaking great. Usually it really annoys me when theres too much editing and memes in the middle of lists but every single one you do is short and funny, absoutely fantastic video. Also, every time you very casually say teleport instead of came or arrived, I burst laughing
Thank you very much for the high praise! It genuinly warms my heart when somone notices the details of my work.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video! Hope to keep you entertained :)
Sansa literally watched Cersei try to stop Ned's execution and then claimed she killed him. I understand her being confused about who was behind the Red Wedding, and that even if Cersei didn't wield the knife she still could be behind it, but there's absolutely no way she holds Cersei responsible for Ned's death
She is the one who imprisoned him and accused him of treason be srs
@@TheKikyo97 still, she did not want him dead and even talked to Joffrey
@@Kikiricki11 It doesn't matter. It's her fault as much as it's Littlefinger's and Joffrey's. She's the mouth whispering in Joffrey's ear.
@@Kikiricki11To be fair, if someone trapped my father in a building and then a psychopath came and blew up the building but was killed not long after, I’d say the person who trapped him in the building killed him too.
30:50 The thing is, the Hound was in the room when Littlefinger betrayed Ned and could have confirmed everything.
They kinda forgot about that.
No he was not! They were in king's landing to convince Cercei (probably returning from there)
@@harshalpatil9156 So who's this guy at 4:16? ua-cam.com/video/8afaQFLSTH4/v-deo.html
@@TheSuperhomosapien THANK YOU!
the Hound saved Arya EXACTLY because of this scene, the treachery was so tremendous for him he gave up his position in King's landing and went rogue, saving her in the process.
Magically he forgot all that, I guess his time working for that village after Arya left him to die brainwashed him that hard
@@ruffusgoodman4137 No he didn't lmao he deserts a season later after Blackwater
I laughed a little too hard at your opening, well done:
Lord of light protect us
For the writing is bad
And full of errors
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😂😂😂😂😂
It was seriously hilarious. 😂😂😂
Season 7 was horrendous; all the character choices were dumb as hell, and it didn't solve any of the conflicts from season 6 at all. Everything in season 7 was pointless.
Exactly, even season 6 had the major plot developments intact, but season 7 really came in like a wrecking ball.
Honestly, this Season is horrible, but I hate Season 5 more than this.
@@gfilmer7150 Why?
@@TommorowISNAP The character assassination of Stannis Baratheon, the Sansa marriage plot line, the botched Dorne Arc, and the lack of character development for Jon, Dany, and Tyrion.
Why did Delores Ed even ask Bran who he was at the gate on the wall? They already invited all the wildlings to come south. Who was he trying to keep out? Don’t they want every living person to be south of the wall anyways lol
Right, did he look like some kind of threat?
Bran looks shady to me
I think one of the unmentioned error is how Jaime's golden hair turn black probably right at season 2, making Ned's hair-based heir theory useless.
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I thought his darkened hair was supposed to be chopped up to like the conditions. He was held prisoner and pretty dirty and/or he was traveling and in battles causing him to be dirty and his hair to not be it's usual golden color.... That's my opinion or Outlook at least
@@JuicebyJay but his hair was still dark even after he went back home..?
@@JuicebyJay what's Tyrion's excuse
Shireen should have had black hair roo
I know this isn't at all important, but couldn't the night king have brought the dragon back to life under the water? Then they wouldn't have needed to teleport chains and the visual of the dragon breaking out of the ice would have been dope as hell
That's actually a great suggestion I don't think I've heard before. It would have probably also cost less to do. Just have the Night King walk into the water, not like he needs to breathe, and bring the dragon to life.
I'm pretty sure that would have made it even more like the Wrath of the Lich King Cinematic lmaooo aka would have made it better 😭
@@emackenzie I felt like I was watching that cinematic the first time I saw that GoT episode lol.
@@traiball7063 what? If you're not joking, it took down the wall and attacked Winterfell
@@emackenzie Damn he missed some major stuff if he thought it disappeared 😂
The only "deep" meaning I can discern from the ending is that Blood Raven succeeded in consuming and becoming Brann, so him saying "what do you think ive come all this way for?" or whatever is Brynden Rivers sneakily saying 'I win"
Oooooh, that would have been a very meta twist.
Yes - in the books, it's implied that warging isn't just mind control, it's a permanent magical bond between two beings, to the point of them "merging" - the distinction between them becoming blurred. That means that Bran hasn't so much been hijacked by Bloodraven, but rather become one and the same with him. And all the Targaryen kings that Bloodraven attempted to warg are in there too.
You skipped one in Episode 3: Tyrion, a very well read man, says "The Rock has never been taken" when in fact... the Lannisters took it from another family. Not by force, sure, but they still took it from them.
Well, being fair to Tyrion, back there the Rock wasnt as such fortress as it is in the present, the Rock was being build and improve throughout the centuries.
I dont get why people want everything to be perfect.i find it more realistic when even the most clever people make mistakes as it happens in real life
I think he meant "taken" militarily. No one ever assaulted the fortress and was able to conquer it through force of an army.
The whole story about Lann the Clever taking the Rock from the Casterlys is only that: a story, a legend.
He meant no one have ever taken it since the lannisters did.😅
31:00 -- Sansa is right though about all her accusations:
*Littlefinger turned sister against sister when he kept toying with Lysa's feelings, despite never being in love with her (and still having feeling for Catelyn). Lysa's jealousy made both sisters become distant. Also, Lysa murdered Jon Arryn for him, which set everything in motion.
*He betrayed Catelyn by getting her husband arrested which ultimately led to his death. And Ned wouldn't have been in King's Landing in the first place if Jon Arryn, the previous Hand Of The King, were still alive.
*He claimed he loved Sansa (he even kissed her)...and then sold her to Ramsey Bolton, whose father was responsible for that Red Wedding that killed her mother, brother, and other family members.
All true, however, the devil is in the details:
"That's what you do, isn't it? You turn sister against sister..."
No, he's not in the business of turning sisters against each other - he turns people against each other. Yes, he did that with Lysa and Catelyn, but that's it. Turning Arya and Sansa against each other doesn't count because it didn't work (and let's be honest, S7 is basically badly written fan fiction anyway).
Betraying Ned is too far fetched to call it a betrayal to Catelyn as well, at least in my opinion. Baelish helped and warned Ned on several occassions -partially out of his love for Cat-, and in the end, betraying Ned wasn't personal, he just secured his position.
The show made the point that Baelish genuinly didn't know how bad Ramsey was (wether that makes sense of not), by having him actually care for Sansa and begging her forgiveness. We never see so much as a wry smile to suggest otherwise.
Perhaps I'm splitting hairs here, but what do you think?
I absolutely agree with this comment and it felt more like an extension of the obvious hatred he has for Sansa even though she was correct here. it’s nit picky to say she’s wrong because he doesn’t only turn sisters against each other. He has done exactly that and thus it is something he does. it was absolutely a betrayal of Catelyn to betray Ned Stark and he deceived her when he lied about it being Tyrion who stole the dagger the assassin had. he betrayed Sansa when he sold her to the Boltons whether he knew how bad Ramsay was or not, he knew the Boltons were directly responsible in murdering her brother and mother with the Lannisters. That is certainly a betrayal. I was put off by this part because it was obvious you wanted to hate on Sansa rather than really consider what she was saying.
@@CultureVultureMedia1 being extremely nitpicky. She was right this time
@@CultureVultureMedia1 They made Bran a robot no emotions didn't consider them family anymore, why bother having him go back to Winterfell? For the "Epic" Dark as shit battle? The whole thing makes zero sense. Bran should of been the one to call out Littlefinger. Season 7 there was no need for Littlefinger anymore really from the shit writing of D & D. They had so much more they could taken from the books that were already out and left it as cliffhanger even in case someone else came along to finish it would of been so much better than the teleportation the weak character arcs etc....
Turning sister against sister was a dumb idea that dickhead and dickhead made up
Ayra and Ed Sheeran part just made me burst out laughing due to how ridiculous it sounded 😂
Arya and Sansa undergo a huge development in the season 7 to become the most despicable characters in the show.
It's real sad :(
When was this, because they were not despicable. They killed Littlefinger and both wanted Jon to leave that Dany alone and take the Iron Throne
@@min_blogs28landing32 hey, leave that Dany alone!
I loved Arya in the book, seeing the way they wrote her in the show was so painful
@@Melissa-hd3jr Reading Dance with Dragons right now and I agree, Arya is great. Shame they ruined her like that, I thought Maisie played her very well.
It also seemed to be established in Jon's first encounter with the night king that the whites don't go into the water, they all stopped and stood on the land in front of the water which created the badass staring scene, but here the whites go in the water, swim underwater and find the dragon, attach physical chains to it, swim back to the surface, and in cohesion use their strength to pull it out.
This season was not scrutinized enough when it aired, everyone was all hype about how it is going to end but the narrative of going across the wall to kidnap a white and bring it back to kingslanding is the goofiest/stupidest plot they could have done. I can't imagine the characters actually doing this, or even a person writing this and going bro that's fucking heat, put it in the final script as the main storyline of the entire season. It is so out of place from everything else in the series, you can just tell this is the tv writers making that up and not something the author would do. I remember watching this and going uhhh wat? And it doesn't even amount to anything, they do this, then just all go back to the north without any extra help. To me that whole plot is where the show completely jumped ship into being a wacky 2nd series from when it was actually good. It's so over the top ridiculous, the main characters are going to go take a white, place it in a bag, and carry this bag back across the wall to then travel to kingslanding with it, it is so mind numbingly stupid, and that happened in what could have been the best show of all time.
Crazy good video tho, so many good points I hadn't considered.
Haha, I enjoyed that. Well put.
And thanks for the kind words, I'm glad you liked the video :)
There's an important distinction. In the first case, Jon was on an ice sheet floating ON TOP of the water. Creatures that can only walk underwater can't reach that. In the second case, they have had all the time in the world to break the ice near the margins of the body of water, walk in, attach the chains, and then walk out. No swimming involved.
@@AbyssalManta they can't go in the water, that's the whole point of the focking wall, if they could just walk then they would go around the wall
@@AtaTheKin facts
Not sure GOT ever really had a chance of being better than Breaking Bad
“The writing is bad and full of errors” love that ❤😂
One error I see being quite overlooked by most is Daenerys' massive army landing on Dragonstone. This is such a bad move, I am baffled at the fact that no one thought otherwise. Why land a huge host on a tiny island with little food to eat, water to drink, or space to dock a massive fleet? They should have landed in Dorne or Storm's End, then go to Dragonstone as a base of operations once they are ready to strike, not before. Landing in Dragonstone let me to believe Daenerys was ready and planning to attack King's Landing at that very moment (which is a good move), and yet no one else objected to docking somewhere else despite not wanting to attack there (which is a terrible move).
Someone pointed out that they ought to have made their way to Highgarden and made camp there. It's the most valuable stronghold in the country seeing as it has all the food. Makes sense to me.
Why settle down on an island with little food? Because Daenerys' armies of tens of thousands of men luckily don't need food. Haven't' you noticed also when they are out travelling, for instance to The North? Food is really no problem!
I am literally laughing so hard at this. So many facts. Such awful writing.
Glad you liked it :D
I have searched the vastness of the UA-cam for ironic comedy like this and truer words might never be spoken with such lovely sarcasm. Chapeau to you, Sir! 😅
What made Aegon King wasn't his beauty smile. Was his dragons.
Daenaerys KIND OF FORGOT this.
She came from Essos with 3 Dragons and won't use them.
Because if she do, she would be "bad" or "crazy".
However was exactly what Aegon did!
She was breaking the wheel in her mind. She didn't want to follow in the exact footsteps of her ancestors. And then... She did. Such a 180 of a character.
The thing of the loot train attack is exactly what had already happened with Aegon. The two houses responsible for Casterly Rock and Highgarden didn't want to bend the knee, so Aegon burnt them all and obliterated both houses. The Lannisters and Tyrells bent the knee beforehand and therefore were given the territories to rule. Tyrion kept on shaming her for burning the the whole thing when that's how his house first got power. I hate how ppl view Dany as crazy for thinking of doing what Aegon did. It could even be pointed out by her as inconsistent and hypocritical of others, to see her as crazy when they saw Aegon as a conquerer. But nah, that was a one-way ticket to keep on telling (not showing) the audience that Dany was going cray-cray
@@heyitsmira17the Lannisters got rid of the Casterlys long before Aegon came along as ruled as Kings of the Rock before his arrival. The only reason the Lannisters lived was because Loren the Last survived the Field of Fire and had the sense to bend the knee to Aegon.
What happened to Season 7 is like if you were copying someones tests and passing each one with an A all semester, but then the person who you were copying from misses the final exam and you had no one to copy from and end up failing the final exam and class.
Spot on
Great analogy. Or, the whole year of copying went well, and then the last test of the year is different for you and your copy partner, but you didn't know it until you got the big F
@@MJAce85 I like that analogy too, specifically for the Dany goes crazy part. In the books, there's enough of it there to make a convincing argument for when she breaks "if I look back I am lost" but in the show that's all missing. So I can buy book Dany going full aegon but I can't buy show Dany doing it.
@@Kelarys yeah, interestingly enough i thought "if i look back i am lost" a means to suppress trauma and Quaithe has been trying to manipulate her all this time.
Okay the "I imagine she's your favorite" with Ned's perfectly baffled face, you cracked me up again!
The real messed up part is that it’s taken more than a decade for the new book to come, I feel like 90% of these mistakes would’ve been avoided if we had George R. R. Martin new book released or finish the story
Highly likely. Would be interesting to know whether it was the lack of source or “wanting a life” that drive D&D to stop caring.
@@CultureVultureMedia1 let’s just hope the prequel succeeds where D&D fail
@@mauri9289 I'm hopeful they can make it interesting. My biggest worries are pacing, exposition and ideological motivations creeping in.
@@CultureVultureMedia1 I guess a mixture of both. I could imagine that GRRM Is not easy to work with.
@@verenavonasek2370 But he seems so nice and friendly... But yeah, could be it.
Well, the REAL Ellaria Sand has four daughters - none of which is present in the show - so they REALLY screwed that up, as Tyene is the illegitimate child of a septa, not Ellaria. The show is ambiguous about whether or not it's presenting Obara and Nymeria also as Ellaria's daughters, or if Ellaria's ACTUAL four daughters exist off-screen, so when Cers....ahhh, seven hells: screw it.
In the show Oberin told to Cersei he has 8 daughters so I guess Ellaria can still have 4 daughters in the show.
I was wondering about that, I couldn't remember if they ever mentioned who Ellaria's daughters were in the show because I basically have all of seasons 5 to 8 blocked out of my memory. I always just assumed Oberyns 4 youngest were all Ellaria's because thats whats written in the books, and changing that makes no sense. But then again Ellaria's entire character assassination's in season 5 onward makes no sense.
I just teleported in to say...Thank you for making me laugh. Your commentary is awesome and funny af.
I think the writer's knew that much of their success was unearned and realized this as they ran out of source material and were then forced to prove how much they understood the world and the characters they've been writing for. Which could easily lead them to resenting the show entirely. So when you say they made decisions only someone who hated the show could make.. you may not be very far off from the truth.
They sprinted away from this show because drawing it out with more seasons would've just been a longer, more painful process of exposing them for what they really are.
It's in this kind of situation that we realize that modesty is a virtue. I think it would have been well accepted if they had been frank in saying that their strong point was adaptations. And now that the series has surpassed the books they no longer really know where to take the story. The only thing that explains why they didn't decide to leave the show runner position to other people is their ego. all this leaves a bitter taste in the mouth, like "I don't know where to take the boat so I'm sinking it so that no one else takes the helm and takes the credit for having succeeded"
@PepitoMegaChocolato I like what you said, except I would replace the virtue of modesty with the virtue of honesty. There's nothing wrong with being proud of earned success, imo. It was their rationalizations that got them into hot water. They were evading the truth and lying to themselves. Ego, self-esteem, or whatever you choose to call it is a great thing if it's real, and it's only real if it's earned.
@@johngleue The way I see things, even with deserved success I tend to believe that we have to be careful with 'pride'. Keeping your feet on the ground in all cases is beneficial, pride is the most pernicious thing for the human spirit. We all have a particularly weak spirit which is too easily carried away by the syndrome of hubris. This is precisely what caused the downfall of these showrunners and which took the series with them into the abyss of oblivion. The moral of this story is that if you start something strong you have to finish strong, otherwise all the work done in between is forgotten. Basically it's funny, we find themes present in Game of Thrones in the behavior of these two showrunner.
@PepitoMegaChocolato I think real pride is precisely what this world is missing and needs more of. We're all so secondhanded and obsessed with embracing a morality that tries to distance one from self. As if pushing the self away is the only way to achieve true virtue. It's silly and just plain wrong. You either live for yourself and the values you've cultivated (firsthandedness), or you live for others and live for values that are thrust upon you by either tradition, conventionality, or contrarianism (secondhandedness). It comes down to collectivism and individualism.
"How do I know you're Bran Stark?"
"You've seen the Night King"
"True. On you go."
"How do I know you're Bran Stark?"
"You have a birth mark in the shape of Australia on your left butt cheek."
"Aight, I guess I can't argue that."
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And it doesn't even need to happen...
"How do i know you are bran stark?"
"You don't, but i don't want to die out here..."
"Fair enough, come in."
Like WHAT'S THE THREAT from a couple of teenagers, one appearing to be disabled or stoned or both?
“Then Bran claims to know everything, followed by a question.”
Lmao that had me dying for at least a minute
Glad you picked up on that one ;)
@@CultureVultureMedia1 I wanted to ask you about the tarlys. some argue that Cersei by her marriage to Robert and the birth of her children has become a kind of queen mother and that she is legitimate by marriage. and therefore that the tarlys have committed no treason. it seems stupid to me like westeros applies the principles of medieval China now? is there a precedent? I don't read too many books so I'm not sure. I always understood that legitimacy by blood was a priority.
@@phaoragenesisdiraskreia8877 I’m not 100% sure, but Queen mothers don’t strike me as having anywhere near the same status as a king.
I don’t think a staunch old patriarch like Randyl would be so eager to submit to Cersei :P
"The writing is bad and full of errors" 🤣
I always had a problem with how time was treated on this show. It seemed to be fluid, shifting to facilitate plot points.
Teleportation 😂😂
Only in the later seasons.
Not in s1-4
What still drives me up the wall is the way Daenerys made Cersei suspicious by only taking two out of three dragons to Kings Landing. That was just way too odd. Why not just take one?
" The three white men teleport into the sunset." Is the peak of greatness in this video.
Much obliged. I’m glad you picked up on that one!
The king of the north!
The king of the north, hell no. That’s a king of the universe line!! As a universe where seasons 5-8 had different head writers and show runners!!
"Emperor of the World" Tyrion Lannister in Game of Thrones Season 2, the good season 👍
Nah, it's got to be the "split in two" Jaime & Brienne reference/joke. 😂
I can see Tyrion being forgiven by Davos, but there should’ve been more bonding between the characters before even considering any sort of wise cracks between them about the whole ordeal
Yeah so weird to him being so casual about it. But of course Davos forgives him. It's not like Tyrion assassinated him, he just died in battle.
@@leonpaelinck Still though, Davos literally shook hands with Tyrion and kinda joked about how he killed his son.
This is the most detailed break down that exposes the complete lack of writing capabilities of D&D.
Good work.
The part about Sanza promising to not speak against Jon and then doing it afterwards isn't necessarily an error with the show but an error with her character. Yes, it's probably just the bad writing, but it could also be done intentionally since characters aren't perfect.
Yeah, it's not as inconsistent as I make it out to be, I admit that.
What IS inconsistent is her character development that includes this overly dramatic behaviour.
It's really not about character being "realistic" and "imperfect", it's about having consistency. Suddenly sprouting new traits left and right (especially in Arya's case) doesn't make sense, it needs build up.
@@CultureVultureMedia1 I always thought they had in mind that Sansa wanted to steal/betray Jon from the moment they reunited at the Wall but the development of that was terrible. Why else would she mention the Knights of the Vale before the the Battle of the Bastards and continuous defy him in front of the northern Lords. She was playing the game for his crown à la Littlefinger, but poorly written. And won.
@@CultureVultureMedia1 This was a common mistake in the early parts of the video that were frequent enough to make me just stop watching it, you were finding fault with characterization, some of which has been long since established. The biggest one, which made me stop watching the video, was saying that Verys levied the veiled threat at the Red Priestess for no reason...his hatred for magic and its practitioners is probably his third most established character trait after "eunech" and "spider".
@@cyrusambrose4547 Yeah, a lot of people misinterpret this point, unfortunately, which is largely on me.
We know Varys hates magic and fanatacism, but what doesn't make sense is for him to start bullying Kinvara when he is the one asking her for help. Hate her all you want, just don't be a dumbass when playing politics. It's not in line with his character.
Again, I could have made that more clear.
@@cyrusambrose4547 wrong. Varys starts a character arc where he begins to make peace with magic after the first red witch talks to him.
Literally every scene with Arya and most scenes with Sansa were teeth-grinding turbo cringe or just outright stupid. Jamie not keeping his redemption was also a huge fail. Bran was also the worst choice, basically all he did was know everything with a smug face but never explain anything to anyone. I got really sick of him too.
They were shaping it up to be some potential feud between them. And then....nothing
@@MJAce85 Turns out they were just pretending to be mad at eachother to trick Littlefinger! All the scenes they had alone together were just an act in case he's listening to them 😂🤮
@@johns1625 That's a good way to look at it, but there did seem to be some extra BS tension that was most definitely thrown in as something a little beyond some show they were putting on for LF. It was also a show for us. Like when she found all those masks and was so aghast.
Varys threatening Melisandre actually makes some sense. They’re entire back story is anti-magic and there’s several conversations they had confirming Varys hated magic users
Right, we all know he hates magic and fanatisism, but what does he actually gain from threatening her?
@@CultureVultureMedia1 i’d say empty threats are empty threats but he has a reason to be afraid of her or at least he had a reason to hate her. i wonder what he did with his old master in that box of his lol.
what is weird is the whole mereen political shitshow. How tyrion ends up the hand and dissing theon and yara when they arrive with ships is just weird to me
Varys was suppose to be just as smart and cunning as Littlefinger. This season he started openly making threats and plotting treason in broad daylight with treasonous letters splayed across his desk. Frigging ridiculous
'Their', not 'they're'.
@@themellowpea yeah, but would the Varys of seasons 1-4 drop empty threats because he "didn't like someone"? It's implied that he didn't like the Baratheon court, but his emotions were always subjected to his dedication to supporting supporting stability of the land. If Melisandre's powers could be useful to Daenyrs, why try to scare her off?
So many things I failed to see when I watched all those episodes 10+ times every week they aired. Awesome work man!
Thanks Dave, glad you liked it :)
Your 2nd sentence says it all. This show could have gone down in history as the greatest this to ever appear on screen. Instead, it’s just forgotten. That’s worse than being bad. It’s just, gone.
What I really loved in the first seasons were indeed character interactions. It's good drama. The final seasons had less of that, many scenes ended up being cut to the next scene just as a character was about to begin sharing their experience to another.
Yeah it's really weird how they packed the last few seasons with so much nothing and left out a whole lot of easy substance.
The last seasons were so predictable, dickhead and dickhead are really thick as 💩
I do like that you put classical music into the background. It actually makes the video better somehow.
Glad you liked it!
you put so much effort making this video, like legit, more effort than D&D put writing the entire season 7
Haha, thank you! xD
26:03 This is very true .. In a scene from a previous season Sam expresses his concern about the white walkers crossing the wall, and one of the maesters tells him that the wall was built with magic that prevents them from crossing it. I think the magic was put to prevent magical beings (ae: dragons, walkers, wights .. ) from crossing the wall. But the show kinda forgot about it.
All that became inconvenient.
I was under the impression that the spells were weakened/weakening. The wall was physically melting in the book and poorly maintained...
@@soxpeewee The part i mentioned in my comment is from the TV show, but in the books, Brandon Stark says a similar thing .. As for the "weakening" of it's magic, i don't remember that part, but i do remember The Horn Of Winter, and the theories suggest that either Mance or Euron will blow the horn and destroy the wall
I was having problems with the size of the Unsullie changing back and fourth. When the finished the battle, it looked like there weren’t many Unsullie left. Then when the ships sunk, i thought they were done. But when they went to fight Cersei, the size grew, and when they finished fighting, the Unsullie changed to the size which she started! 🙄😵💫🥴
Dany just keeps spawning new soldiers. Remember when in season 8 all the Dothraki suicide charged into the Night King's army? 2 episodes later they just respawned to attack King's Landing.
The worst part was the giant void of reaction when Jon learns Arya is alive...he cares so little he doesn't even send every single one of his men to search for her the second her returns to Winterfell.
Huh? When he hears about her being alive she's already safe in Winterfell and he's going back there anyway. Your take doesn't make sense.
Littlefinger clear was too smart for D&D so they killed him.
5:40 It is also mentioned in the books that the eunuchs of the Unsullied are _completely_ cut, stem and all. Another night of being disappointed by men for Missandei, but she's probably used to it.
There's other things a man could do
I very much despised season 7, and not just with the retrospection of season 8. The logical inconsistencies (like Daenarys being able to save them beyond the wall before they froze to death) and the character destruction (like Littlefinger's downfall) killed me. When they said season 7 would be cut down to 7 episodes, I figured that meant the writing would be more top notch than seasons 5 and 6 were, which had already seen a drop from season 4. Instead, it went completely off the rails.
GoT could have been the greatest but they choose to white wash the villains killing their characters so that by season 5 they were unrecognizable and even worse they made the supposed heroes into idiots who only win because the plot needs them to win.
The cracks were there long in advance but battles always made people forget them.
Good point.
You’re attacking the best aspect of the show to my mind. The one thing Dan and Dave did absolutely right!
They didn’t whitewash the villains, they stayed true to George’s writing.. to the degree that the dialog writers didn’t occasionally butcher his work anyway.
In depth character development and highlighting the internal struggles of light and dark is what George does best, what makes his writing a compelling read. He stresses the very real point that nobody is either all good or all bad. People are complex, and through his character development he lures you to feel sympathetic for those that had previously enraged you. Makes you see their humanity; Jaime’s love for Cercei, Tyrion’s ultimate love for his family including Cercei.
And while the whole world seems to disagree with me on this; how Daenerys turned murderously insane overnight. After losing two of her dragons, and Missande and Jorah and Jon, she became untethered from reality, no longer grounded, alone. If her character is to truly be believable, there was no other course. It would be unrealistic to think a person could lose all those closest to them in very short order and not lose touch with reality whilst astride a fire breathing dragon.
This was a specialty of Stephen King’s, what made books like Carrie and Pet Cemetery so very horrifying and at the same time so compelling you couldn’t put the horror down. Because nearly every word is what a character is thinking, because we humans in extreme circumstances, can go from civilized to insane much faster than you might imagine.
For me it cranked up the tension in seasons seven and eight because I’d come to relate on some level with all of the characters. That’s George’s intent. He hooked me with his slick writer’s trick, turn the tables and confuse how you feel about all the characters, and then bring em all together to fight one another!
I don't think you know what whitewashing means
@@mischevious Except George didn't write any of 5, 6, 7, 8. All that internal thinking found in books can only be suggested on screen, always a challenge for screenwriters, and why many books just don't translate accurately to screen (like most Stephen King novels, since you brought them up). What this vid and comments are hitting on are the easy plot developments that don't sync up with the tight storytelling of the first few seasons, unexplained events and behaviors that we the audience have to fill in as best we can, abandoned subplots and characters, and heavy, heavy doses of lapses in basic logic (like Arya shaking off multiple abdominal stab wounds as if she were barely scratched).
@@jgregveneklasen2657 Lol yes, I admit that the only explanation for Arya’s outpatient recovery is that Lady Crane got her soup recipe direct from Mary Poppins.
But then again!; The Lord of Light! blah blah blah..
“If you don’t shut yer trap the lord of light’s gonna wonder why he brought you back to life nineteen (?) times just to watch me throw you over a wall!”
Everyone was just doing the lord’s work.
Explains everything! Lol
i like how the video on the errors in the first 4 seasons was only 14 minutes long and this video on only season 7 is 40 minutes long
I tried rewatching the show a few times now and I can’t get past the first episode, as soon as I see the white walkers I yell “it’s all pointless” and throw something at my tv! Personally the biggest disappointment to me was how short winter was and how quickly the night king and his army was destroyed… good god talk about a let down.
Yup, huge build up to a HUGE battle, and then meh. I kinda felt it was the Night King who would bring winter, but you're right, the multi-year weather pattern was established right off. It would have been really cool (if you'll excuse the expression) to see winter creep in at King's Landing where they were unfamiliar with it - like snow in L.A. That would give the advantage to the Northerners who know how to handle cold. But, as with so many major story arcs, "Winter is Coming" was dispensed of as inconvenient.
Thank you! Season 7 is just as stupid as season 8. It really goes like this:
Season 1&2: Pure Gold
Season 3&4: Extremely high quality
Season 5&6: Good fun
Season 7&8: Crap
7 was actually great aside from crappy charachter dialoge like bran
I think seasons 3-4 were the best, as the first ones were riddled with gratuitous sex and other first edition bugs.
@@martinportelance138 But the torture porn of Theon was really bothersome, even more so because it was ultimately not as important as all the screen time given to it would suggest. First hints that a lot of needless violence was coming because D&D thought it would be cool.
@@jgregveneklasen2657 There was Theon' torture porn, and Little finger's porn torture.
How did you manage to condensate a full season into 37 minutes?!? Dude that’s a talent
Love your video bro. Personally, I do not blame Tyrion for Viserion's death like a lot of fans do. He suggested the Wight Hunt, but Jon and Jorah "volunteered" themselves to go instead of sending no name brave idiots from within their soldiers (something Davos points out during this meeting).
Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it :D
Yeah Tyrion might as well have not believed in the Walkers and just played along, thinking that people can run away and play if the want to. Worst case they bring back proof and the continent unites.
I've always been so irritated at the Davos/Tyrion dynamic... and House Tarly like weren't they sworn to the Targaryens during the rebellion so I'm confused as to where this Lannister loyalty comes from.... I can't even begin with The Beyond the Wall episode gosh... Great Video Though!!!
Thanks! Glad you liked it :D
They were sworn to House Tyrell, only to betray them for Cersei.
Dany should have hammered that in when speaking to him.
@@blacktigerpaw1 even worse knowing that Tyrell rebelled because Cersei murder the entire family.
"Arya and Ed Sheeran are enjoying the crisp autumn weather" i was dying lol
As much as i agree with alot of this. The ‘teleporting’ happens because there arent as many different storylines running as the previous seasons. So it just doesnt feel like enough time has passed between scenes
That's still the shows fault. If they didn't have enough story to fill time to account for the realistic timescale of travel set in the better seasons, then write some. They made up all of this anyways, just write in more story and stretch out the shows end runtime to account for events requiring time to occur.
They had so much material to work with, and instead of using that material to properly tell the story, they decided to cut it off at 8 seasons, make the seasons shorter, and stuff everything into some small timeline. The rush was completely unnecessary, and had they used the time they definitely would have had, Im pretty positive the ending we got would have made much more sense. A big problem was how rushed everything was, which made it sloppy by design. The last two seasons were snakebit just by virtue of the big rush to get to the end.
“Many men gave a lot of advices, but I never took their advice and look where I am now” -Olenna Tyrell
*Dies in the next episode*
Haha, now I really wish I had made this joke ;)
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Jorah could've been like a training dummy of flaying for house Bolton. Just regenerates over night and peel again
it's sad to see what littlefinger has become, from the guy who was prepared to face every scenario to the guy who just got caught by "surprise" even tho it was the most obvious one he had faced, great character sadly killed by time and time only
Yup, an inconsequential end to an initially central character who set the whole damn thing into motion.
The craziest thing about Season 7 is how little of a threat Cersi really is. It only took Dany a couple of hours to win King's landing. She could have took the throne before traveling up to Winterfell. I didn't really enjoy this season because season 6 was when I realized that the show had gone to shite.
The background music really amplifies how ridiculous this season is. Plus it’s hilarious. Thank you for making me laugh
Hey, you got it, glad you liked it :)
That dragons destruction of the walls are epic. I cant believe that the only thing that prevented the white walkers from passing through are their stupidity of bringing dragons that had eventually destroyed the walls. How incredibly idiot they are.
Yeah, they should have put the Horn of Winter in the plot somehow, even if it was just the Night King "finding it somehow", would have been way better than what we got lol.
@@brandonuzumaki Exactly. Didn't Samwell find a horn in season 2 or something? Probably not the same thing but it would be better.
I never looked at that as why. They were waiting to build up their army and after hardhome and getting a dragon they were good to go. Even with the massive army they still lost.
@@letsgobrandon8101 Yeah, except they already had a massive army of the dead from the supposedly inhospitable land beyond the wall. Instead of waiting around and letting the nights watch slowly put the pieces together, they should’ve just launched a surprise attack. They could’ve easily broken through.
@@FriskyDingo36 it's all just speculation then at that point you say it was massive enough I say it wasn't.
Bran said he can see anything, anywhere in the world. He could warg into somewhere west of Westeros or somewhere with a map and he could find what's west of Westeros rather than Arya leaving at the end of season 8.
This is absolutely well edited. Though I don't care for or seen anything beyond season 1 of Game of Thrones at all, I downright loved this clip. Hats off to you, my man.
Wow, thanks for the kind words! Means a lot to know that it brought you joy despite not having seen the show itself :D
Ed Sheeren was in my mind the biggest error of episode 1. I remember screaming at the premiere: "fuckin WHYYYY?"
Not mentioned in the show, but Rheagar believed he would have a prophecy baby called Aegon, so when he met Lyanna he gave it a second shot just in case.
5:33 - "Qyburn makes cersei harpoon the priceless relic of balerion the dread. SHAME! 🔔"
🤣💀
Man I wish you all the success with these videos, they are by far the most entertaining videos on GoT I've watched in a while :)
Really hope we find out what George R Martin does with these plotlines in the books (hopefully soonTM)!
Thanks a lot, that really warms my heart! I'm glad you enjoy my videos :D
I think George has the plotlines under control, even if he might regret sprawling out in so many directions.
31:15 How is that wrong? Baelish promished Catelyn to take care of Ned, yet he literally played a key role in having Ned killed.
I was thinking the same thing. Appearently, critics of GoT sometimes get carried away and criticize things that actually make sence.
@@abraham2172 A lot more than you might think. There's a lot of fair criticism out there but a lot of it is really bad takes aboard the hate train.
He also tried to have Bran killed by the cutthroat so he could pin it on Tyrion
@@edwinzuniga123 That was Joffrey.
Great video. So many brilliant points, and more in the comments section. I always felt that if D&D wanted to give up, they should have enlisted the fans, like yourselves, who knew the material so well that they could’ve helped them figure out the seasons from 5 onwards. Then we wouldn’t have lost what could have been one of the greatest TV shows of all time.
The death of Viserion (I would have had it done differently from the suicide mission) would have been the perfect opportunity for Dany to begin losing her mind. But, no, she barely showed any emotion when he was ripped from the sky. Hell, I was more upset than Dany was when Viserion died!
I was thinking about the Starks and their warging abilities recently. It was infuriating that they didn’t utilise that more, even just in conversation. Arya telling Gendry she has wolf dreams, for example. Bran not warging into one of the dragons is another huge missed chance! Damn.
Arya was one of my favourite characters. I hated her smug face by the end of this season. By season 8, I only cared about Drogon, Rhaegal and Ghost.
You’re right. Season 7 is awful!
This is a really well put together video essay!! I enjoy how you don’t take cheap shots at the idiocy of things, all your points make a ton of sense, especially things like Jon thinking Bran was dead or why Dany thinks Jamie is alive after drowning
Don't forget Benjin saying dead things can't pass to the other side of the wall due to powerful magic built into its foundations, and yet they were able to bring a wight across and it was fine!
I dunno maybe over high enough or low enough is ok? Like the tunnel system or a dragon is cool but a wight can't climb it?
"The writing is bad and full of errors" made me laugh, well done