It's always a relief to hear so many calm, measured and eloquent people speak the truth of this. I'm pretty vocal on this but my opinions fall into a seeming vacuum. Gatherings like this renew my confidence that I am not going mad!
Interesting discussion towards the end about whether this subject is out in the open and being discussed more widely since the Cass review. I live overseas and recently returned home to spend time with my parents who get all of their news from the BBC. Depressingly, they had not heard of the Cass review (presumably as it got so little airtime). Similarly, it's seen as a minority issue, despite the huge implications it has for women, LGB people, children and wider society. What a fantastic discussion. Huge thanks to the very brave people on the panel.
The consequences to these remarkable, courageous people who didn't ask for ANY of this rubbishing of their lives by the TRAs is beyond appalling to hear about, and all the cowardly wretches who joined in by NOT supporting them when they should have been makes my head want to explode. Thank you all.
The BMJ has slid into the gutter. I remember it was in 2022 when they published a paper using the term "cervix havers" in lieu of referring to such people as "women".
They are LYING to you. Here is the REAL TRUTH about Gay and Transgenderism: It is NOT about chromosomes (the XX or the XY) or the BODY, it is about the STRUCTURE of the human brain. A Doctor with a Ph.D. in Genetics and his team did research on the STRUCTURE of the human brain. They studied the brain of straight women and straight men, gay women, and gay men, as well as transgendered women and transgendered men. What they found is this, the STRUCTURE of the brain between a male and a female is as different from each other as night is from the day. They also found that there are two distinct and separate areas of the brain that deal with sexuality and gender. They found that the area for sexual orientation in gay men is STRUCTURED the same as in straight women, NOT straight men, and in gay women, that area is STRUCTURED the same as in straight men, NOT straight women. Likewise, the center in the brain that deals with gender identity is the same, in transgender women (male to a female) it is STRUCTURED the same as in cis-women, (born and identify as female) NOT cis-men, (born and identify as male), and in transgender men, (female to male) it is STRUCTURED the same as in cis-men, NOT cis-women. It has been STRUCTURED this way since BEFORE birth. Two other teams in different parts of the world doing the same study all independent of each other found the exact same results. When a baby is first formed in the womb it is formed 100% female. Then after a few weeks, a signal from the father's genes tells the baby's body, the body only, to change and become male. The baby goes on for a few more weeks this way until it can produce a massive amount of the male hormone testosterone, which then tells the brain to change into the male pattern, such a massive amount will never be seen in that Child's life again except at the onset of puberty. If for some reason that baby does not get that massive dose of testosterone in the womb then the brain, or parts of it, continues to develop in the female pattern. Or in the case of gay women or Trans men, at some time in the mother's pregnancy that baby received a small dose of testosterone at the wrong time, either the mother ingested it somehow or her body produced it or the baby’s own body produced it all of which can and have happened. When a baby is being formed in the womb, any variation, even in the slightest, of the chemicals can cause birth defects. You have seen these birth defects in babies being born all the time, some born blind, or deaf, born with missing limbs, or heart problems, or even with a spine outside of the body, and many, many others. So why is it so hard for the right to believe that a person’s BRAIN can be STRUCTURED in the opposite way from what their bodies say they should be? You can believe in all other birth defects so why not this? I will use transgender women for this example, even though the body is male she likes all the same things a cis-gender woman likes, her emotional likes, wants and needs are the same as any woman's, and the way she sees the world is the same. Her interactions are the same, everything about her is the same as any cis-gender woman except the body. Sexual characteristics (the body) are set by the genes (the XX or the XY) but Gender is set by the STRUCTURE of the BRAIN, this has been proven through sound scientific study. Gender is how one see themselves and their place in the world and how they interact with it. If your body is set one way and your brain the other it causes a disharmony of mind and body (gender dysphoria) it is not now or ever has been a DELUSION or a PERVERSION or a MENTAL ILLNESS. When someone is going through life with this Dysphoria their life is a living hell, when people tell them that they can't be WHO they are inside because that person is uncomfortable with it then you are forcing the trans person to live in severe PAIN, Anxiety, and Depression, a PAIN that having your arms and legs cut off with a dull rusty hacksaw without any anesthetics seem like nothing in comparison, a pain that kills, LITERALLY KILLS. Think of everything you like and want as a man or a woman, everything that makes you, you, and then think how you would feel if you were constantly told that you can't have it, or be it, or do the things you love, because you are the opposite of who and what you are now, that you must bury everything that makes you, you because other people don't like it because it makes them uncomfortable, If constantly you were told that you were evil and dammed because you are who you are, denied a job, or a home, insulted, belittled, assaulted and even targeted to be KILLED just because you exist, how would you feel? Women, think how would you feel if you were forced to live, think, told to feel like and be a man, And told that you MUST do what men do, how men do it, see things the way men see them in order to be a man and you MUST be a man and that something is wrong with you if you don’t? How would you handle that? Men, think how you would feel if you were forced to live, think, feel, and be a woman? Told that you MUST do what women do, how women do it, see things the way women see them in order to be a woman and you MUST be a woman and that something is wrong with you if you don’t? How would you handle that? A trans woman does NOT fit, in a man’s social circle the same way a man does and yet they are expected to if they do not go through transition, they are expected to think, feel, and act just like any cis-gender man in that circle, but they can’t because their brain is STRUCTURED differently, so they are insulted, belittled beat on ridiculed, and humiliated by these men, constantly, all because their brain is STRUCTURED the same way a cis-gender woman’s brain is STRUCTURED. With their brain being STRUCTURED that way they would fit into a woman’s social circle but with their bodies being male, again they don’t fit in and they are excluded. They want to wear the same outfits the women wear because their brains tell them they should be just like them. Everything inside them SCREAMS that they are just like the people who are of the opposite gender and yet they are NOT allowed to be because other people are uncomfortable with them doing so, so they are FORCED to live in severe PAIN, anxiety, and depression. Trans people just want to be accepted for who they are, they want and are deserving of the very same rights as everyone else, no more and NO LESS. Here is the truth about the road to transition: First, the person MUST go to therapy, no therapy no transition, they will meet with a therapist who has knowledge and experience with transgender people. During this time they will begin social transitioning, social transitioning is nothing more than changing one's name and pronouns, and appearance such as hairstyle and clothing. Then after a number of sessions with the therapist (usually about a year) if the Dysphoria continues, and depending on the age of the person they may be given puberty blockers, (which are reversible). Then after many more sessions with the therapist and again if the Dysphoria continues they may be given hormones, it is these that have irreversible effects. Last: when they reach the age of CONSENT (CONSENT, NOT A KID, NO ONE IS DOING SURGERY ON KIDS) and if the Dysphoria continues, and if they have lived in the gender of their choice for a MINIMUM of 1 full year, and have letters from two therapists with one having a P.HD in psychology with both therapists having seen the person over a period of time they may get a consult from the surgeon, and there is usually a long waiting list for that, after the consult if the surgeon agrees then you get on the long waiting list for the surgery. IF ANYONE TELLS YOU DIFFERENTLY FROM THIS THEY ARE LYING TO YOU. Definition of a woman: How you define a woman is by how she sees herself, a woman is one who sees herself as one in mind and soul. If a person sees themselves as a woman, thinks as a woman, acts as a woman, and lives as a woman, then what is the harm to treat and respect her as one? If you cannot have compassion for another human being then how can you ask others to have compassion for you? Show compassion, empathy, and respect by calling them the name they prefer and with the pronouns they prefer. It does NOT harm you to do so but it does great harm to them when you don’t. Definition of a Man: How you define a man is by how he sees himself, a man is one who sees himself as one in mind and soul. If a person sees themselves as a man, thinks as a man, acts as a man, and lives as a man, then what is the harm to treat and respect him as one? If you cannot have compassion for another human being then how can you ask others to have compassion for you? Show compassion, empathy, and respect by calling them the name they prefer and with the pronouns they prefer. It does NOT harm you to do so but it does great harm to them when you don’t. Some of you reject the LGBTQ community because you have a need to feel morally superior to others, “pull the beam out of your own eyes before you try to pull the mote out of another’s”. Some of you reject the LGBTQ community because you don’t understand it and it fills you with fear, fear of something that is different from what you are used to, different from YOU, either one goes forward or one stagnates and dies, you limit your thinking and can’t or won’t learn, grow, and adapt. Some of you reject the LGBTQ community because you just want to hate and hurt others, it gives you a sick thrill, and you use the LGBTQ as an excuse to do so. But ALL of you who do these are small, weak, insecure, monumentally stupid, and utterly pathetic excuses of human beings.
Does that include the three whistle blowers who have come forward to expose the NHS of covering the deaths of sixteen Trans children who were denied health care in the last three years?
Some real heroism on show here, thank you everyone. I work in social care & academia and it has been terrifying and upsetting to see it taking hold. I have lost close relationships to this issue. However, it has also been fascinating to learn about and to see the machinations. It only takes a few ideologues in powerful positions to turn a whole organisation. So I am following that example in my own mission to turn it around
Since I peaked in 2018, it has gradually become safer and safer to speak freely about this in terms of having the legal right to hold gender critical beliefs. But I haven't seen any shift in the norms around me, most people I work with have never heard of the Cass Report & still believe all the trans myths
We are so far behind the woke and they themselves are brand new also. This was a team of superstars the best we got. But they didn't discuss why the woke deny reality and bully people. They also failed to come up with a plan other than we should just start to resist. We need massive improvement on both of those things in order to stem this lunacy.
My response to the last question is this: we need to call for a public inquiry into the money that brought so many public services and institutions into the EDI industry that enabled Stonewall, Mermaids etc to push the gender identity ideology, especially schools and the NHS
A Public Enquiry will not help I am afraid. Public Enquiries are always controlled by those at the highest levels of power. Truth is never found that way. Things can only change by the realisation by enough individual people, that society is being deliberately corrupted and degraded. The horrors of what is being done to children through the doctrine of 'gender affirming care', are a part of that, but the deliberate degrading of the whole of society and culture goes much wider than that as well.
@@moif_velocitaMoron. Holistic therapy that addresses the individual and discovers what is really going on is the only way to treat a patient A one size fits all straight on the abbatoir assembly line belt is not
🎯 Key points for quick navigation: 00:16 *🏛️ Jan McVarish opens the discussion on free speech lessons from the Cass Review, emphasizing the venue's historical relevance and the event's broad audience.* 00:44 *🗣️ The session aims to address the suppression of free speech and its impact on professional practices in gender identity development, particularly at the Tavistock Clinic.* 01:38 *📚 The panel will not cover the entire Cass report but will focus on areas where suppression of free speech led to questionable practices in gender identity services.* 02:18 *🛑 The suppression of critical debate at Tavistock allowed harmful deviations from good practice, influencing academic research, policy-making, and education.* 03:13 *📉 Over 40% of Free Speech Union cases now relate to sex and gender issues, reflecting the broader societal impacts of restricted debate on these topics.* 04:34 *🚨 Sue Evans discusses her early concerns at the Tavistock Clinic about the rushed treatment approaches for children with gender dysphoria.* 05:57 *📢 David Bell echoes concerns about the treatment methods at Tavistock, citing his own experiences and the reports he wrote that were ignored or suppressed by management.* 06:25 *📚 Professor Michelle Moore has faced significant opposition for her critical work on gender ideology in medicine, reflecting the contentious nature of the debate.* 07:33 *🌐 Stephanie Davis-Arai discusses the rise of children identifying as transgender and the importance of evidence-based care and educational resources.* 09:57 *❓ Sue Evans highlights the challenges of raising concerns within a professional setting that often dismissed or undermined critical viewpoints on gender treatment practices.* 23:20 *🔄 David Bell highlights the Tavistock Clinic as a microcosm of broader societal issues, reflecting a systemic reluctance to discuss or criticize gender identity practices.* 24:12 *🗣️ Despite facing potential repercussions, David Bell felt supported by his senior position and pension security to voice critical opinions on Tavistock's practices.* 25:07 *📈 Bell notes a dramatic increase in referrals to Tavistock, from 50 to 3,000, predominantly shifting from boys to girls, yet no significant discourse on the social factors influencing this trend.* 26:12 *🛑 The historical guilt over past treatment of homosexuals was manipulated to suppress criticism of current gender identity practices.* 27:34 *📜 Bell discusses the systemic issues in handling whistleblowers within the NHS, suggesting the need for external oversight rather than internal management.* 29:53 *🚫 A cultural climate of fear prevented many from speaking out against the practices at Tavistock, contributing to the silence and inaction around controversial treatments.* 32:29 *🎓 Michelle Moore describes her alienation within academia due to her critical stance on how transgender ideology is taught in schools.* 34:30 *📚 Threats to academic freedom emerged as colleagues and institutions pushed back against Moore and her co-author for their work questioning transgender ideology.* 36:15 *📖 The publication of a controversial book by Moore led to legal threats from Tavistock's solicitors, illustrating the intense opposition to challenging mainstream narratives on gender identity.* 39:02 *🌍 The international impact of Moore's work is noted, with the establishment of a network supporting detransitioners and critical dialogue on gender medicine.* 44:05 *🚷 Michelle Moore recounts severe harassment and professional isolation at London South Bank University due to her views, highlighting the severe consequences for academic freedom.* 46:10 *🛡️ Despite personal and professional challenges, Moore remains committed to advocating for evidence-based approaches and academic freedom in discussions about gender identity.* 48:46 *🎓 Michael Biggs credits the supportive environment at Oxford for allowing academic freedom to flourish, despite external pressures and controversies.* 49:42 *🧠 Biggs emphasizes the importance of academic freedom, especially when research contradicts current orthodoxy, highlighting the essential role of universities in truth-seeking.* 50:25 *💸 Discussion on funding disparities in research, noting significant grants for studies supporting mainstream views on gender interventions versus challenges faced by dissenting researchers.* 51:22 *📊 Michael Biggs notes that while costly studies promoted by advocacy groups were not utilized by the Cass review, his research was acknowledged, underscoring the relevance of critical perspectives.* 52:05 *⚖️ Biggs reveals initiating legal action against BMJ Open for discrimination, highlighting the clash between editorial bias and protected academic beliefs under the Equality Act.* 53:57 *🏛️ The case against BMJ Open seeks minimal damages but aims for significant editorial training on the Equality Act, emphasizing the importance of content over author beliefs in academic publishing.* 55:18 *🌍 The discussion concludes on the varying impacts of academic freedom at different institutions, with a call for public support to ensure scientific integrity in research and publishing.* 01:13:59 *📊 The speaker emphasizes the critical need for evidence-based medicine and its implementation in workplace practices.* 01:14:15 *🧪 Discussion highlights the retreat from reason and truth in scientific fields, suggesting a growing suppression within the scientific community.* 01:15:03 *📺 The BBC's influence is noted as a major force in shaping public opinion, particularly in terms of not challenging transgender ideology.* 01:15:30 *🎥 Anecdote shared about the BBC's selective reporting on transgender issues, illustrating media bias.* 01:16:11 *🔄 Discussion on the difficulty of engaging withthe BBC, which is perceived as being 'captured' by transgender ideology.* 01:17:20 *🤔 The discussion addresses how emotionally abusive tactics such as gaslighting and bullying parallel the coercive methods seen in organizational ideologies.* 01:18:40 *🛡️ A call is made for external reviews and safeguards to combat ideological domination within organizations, highlighting the need for a diversity of opinions.* 01:19:08 *🔄 Discussion on the transformation of good ideas into perverse enactments within healthcare, emphasizing the problem of patient affirmation overriding clinical judgment.* 01:20:44 *⚖️ Mention of the weaponization of guilt, paralleling other societal issues, as a tactic to silence dissent and enforce ideological conformity.* 01:21:24 *📰 Analysis of media participation in the discourse, noting the divide between liberal and conservative outlets, and the absence of balanced coverage in mainstream liberal media.* 01:23:12 *🏛️ Academic freedom is discussed as severely compromised, with activists dominating the narrative in universities, stifling debate and research into controversial topics.* 01:26:10 *📚 A personal story shared by a "trans widow," highlighting the limited but significant advocacy and visibility for those affected by a partner's transition.* 01:29:17 *🌐 The Cass Review is discussed as a potential turning point in public discourse on gender identity treatment, suggesting it has helped shift perceptions toward more critical evaluation of current practices.* 01:36:53 *💼 Discussion highlights the strategic influence of financial interests on promoting progressive ideologies in professional organizations.* 01:37:07 *🏛️ Emphasis on the necessity of taking up positions within professional bodies to advocate for a more objective and scientific approach in the field of psychiatry.* 01:37:51 *🌍 Recognition that the UK has been at the forefront of the global discourse on transgender issues, influencing international perspectives.* 01:38:35 *📢 Event in France highlights international interest in the UK's approach to transgender issues, with significant participation from various experts.* 01:39:31 *📌 Despite progress, there is an acknowledgment of deep ideological beliefs embedded within institutions like the NHS, affecting discourse and policies.* 01:40:07 *🎓 Call for continued academic inquiry into issues raised by the Cass report, emphasizing the need for ongoing research and debate within academia.* 01:41:04 *💬 Highlight on the effectiveness of the trans lobby in framing their ideology as kind, and how this has influenced public and institutional perception.* 01:41:59 *🌐 Discussion on the pervasive establishment of LGBTQ+ groups across all societal sectors, including schools, and their impact on policy and culture.* Made with HARPA AI
A way out of this? For a start we can stop using their loaded terminology. For example there's no such thing as "transitioning", it's body modification. There's no such thing as "hate speech" - you cannot assert an emotion is ynlawful or know what other people are feeling in their heart.
On the question about how it is possible for safeguarding concerns in schools to be silenced at 1:04:02, I think you will find the answer is that all the trans activist stuff in schools is sold as being part of furthering children's welfare and safeguarding.
Very true but it is against the law (Education Act I think) and most 'official' guidance (?) and regulations which apply to educational establishments. Education managers MUST be made to obey the law and stop promoting fake science to children.
Every SINGLE time i think i have finally found a video of reasonable people talking about this issue to show my lefty friends, someone is bound to veer off into talking about Israel, Ukraine or race. Why can't you focus on one battle so that we can rally forces ON THIS ONE ISSUE?
Have you ever seen either wider lens, Genspect, gender dysphoria alliance (they are trans identifying females), where are all the women, whose body is it or Ute Heggen. Not sure which you'll find useful but I find they don't tend to start expressing political views.
If u r referring to the reference to Gaza, it lasted for about 10 seconds in a 1 hour 44 min panel. The panel was presented by the Free Speech Union. Free speech.
Whilst the subjects are very different the suppression of public debate, the restriction on funding and publishing of research, and the religious fervour of the acolytes is mirrored in the Net Zero/ Climate change problem.
27:33 this entire thing is being scaffolded by the fear that middle aged people have of not wanting recreate the problems we saw in the 80s regarding homosexuality. i was the same at first. it’s like we had learnt our lesson. once this is explained we will see a change i’m certain of it. also, isn’t GIDS or “jids” such a revolting sounding acronym. it’s like interfering with the word ‘kids’.
The term T-fobia was coined by a man who invaded and successfully ended women's events "lived as a woman", then ended it all after disavowing the ideology.
there is a reason JK Rowling has been at the forefront of this: she has f*ck-you-money, and she, her family, her kids and loved ones are not dependent upon anyone else to have a safe roof over their heads. I hate that the world is like this, that people can be threatened to silence, but it is what it is. It makes the truth-sayes truly brave people ❤
@@unitysprings3631That's because it is a claim without any proof as yet. It's also a grossly unfair and ignorant way of understanding suicide which has multiple factors. In the UK every under 18 suicide is investigated fully. For this reason we know gender dysphoria has a thankfully very low suicide rate. It would be very surprising given how few suicides we had before affirmative care and how few Finland and Sweden had after rolling it back to find this to be true. The original Dutch protocol study had 2 deaths out of 70. A study that cherry picked patients and claimed lower suicidality for affirmative care had 2 suicides out of 314. These are astronomical rates of suicide. The "dead kid or trans kid" is an incredibly irresponsible idea spread by the trans community. We know suicide is socially contagious. The fact they spread these ideas with no good evidence is disgusting as it may well lead to more suicides than if kids were presented with the truth. Oh and the person who mentioned this is an alcoholic who accused literally everyone of being transphobic. He will never ever respond.
@@robertmarshall2502 thank you for such a comprehensive reply. I am surprised that it's visible tbh. I'll just say that if gender is infinite, we aren't really talking about anything other than per son ally T, are we? This whole gig will make lab otto me's look like flower arranging on a Tuesday afternoon.
@@unitysprings3631 I'm as surprised as you lol There are massive contradictions between the enby and T sides. If you go and look at what many of them say then they're trying to escape gender stereotypes. Somehow they fall face first into reinforcing them. There's clearly a social element, an element of fitting in, of being special etc. In one study 9.2% of middle schoolers in the US are trans. No one in their right mind thinks that makes sense except that trans is a socio-cultural identity. The Q is clearly boring as fuck heterosexuals with no personality. I don't know about you but I'm guessing like me you couldn't dilute your personality down to a label. Unfortunately some young ppl today are just that shallow and superficial. If you've not read the Wpath files then I highly highly recommend it. You can also look up the author Mia Hughes in Genspect videos where they go through similar medical scandals. All the same markers are there. It's fascinating in a macabre way. BTW if evidence came out that the cides were linked I'd be open to it. But the "community" thrives on shirt term claims that they never follow up on. They still dine out on the deaths of trans ppl at the hands of "cis-het" hatred even after it's been debunked. I regularly tell ppl what Wpath actually says and they're horrified, call me a liar and then continue believing. There's a woman, Diane Ehrensaft, part of Wpath who was literally involved in the Satanic Panic. They mentioned it briefly here and I can't lol but the Wpath chapter on U-nux is sourced by one of the most horrible things on the internet today. It's the biggest medical scandal of our generation.
This is useful, and appreciated. Sadly, the absence of Sonia Appleby, a long-time whistleblower and child-protection specialist, is eye-poppingly disappointing. A short interview with her here (ua-cam.com/video/omS8a7XwdAM/v-deo.htmlsi=63mEMYSchsShjftr) shows some of what you're missing.
This is interesting, however, do we have a list of detransitioners? I am asking genuinely because this is always the biteback from TRAs. I am only aware of Keira Bell. I have never heard of a single other complainant or detransitioner. I would like to cite numbers or evidence for how we know that Tavi actually did cause harm to children. If anyone knows, please direct me
I think the shame is unlikely to result in many coming forward. I tend to focus on things like the numbers of same-sex attracted or autistic. Or just the fact at the Tavistock the mental health outcomes were negative. The "critique" out of Yale is also useful. They complained that it focused too much on helping improve mental health. They made the rather amazing admission that affirmative care has nothing to do with helping alleviate gender dysphoria. They know it's aesthetic. If there is anything I find TRAs get really confounded by it's feeding back to them what members of Wpath actually say. They get awfully stuck when they call you a liar because they are clearly appalled by this and then you bring out the proof.
Often times, but sometimes your comment may just be 'hidden'. At the top of the comments section click "sort by" & check in both "Top Comments" & "newest first" if you can't find it in either of the two listing...you were censored.
David's digression into the politics of Israel-Palestine really didn't help. But since he's raised the objection, let me respond. Israel is the only territory on Earth claimed by Jews who want to have a Jewish-majority homeland. They want a Jewish-majority homeland because if they were a minority in their homeland they couldn't democratically prevent the introduction of antisemitic legislation and couldn't bring much pressure to bear on law courts and security agencies who discriminated against them. The homeland they claimed in 1948 was, per the UN's 1947 partition plan, a speck of land just 14,100 sq kms in area. Only 4,100 sq kms of that area was deemed habitable. Initially, 500,000 Jews would share that land almost equally with 480,000 non-Jews. So the amount of habitable land claimed just by Jews to be their homeland was just 2,050 sq kms. I hope David can be relied on to do his own research and work out how many times that amount of land would fit into the land area claimed by European Christians who wanted to increase their resource base by planting a flag in New Zealand, Australia, and every country in the Americas. The answer is several thousand times. Then David should research the combined land area of all the Muslim-ruled countries from Bangladesh in the east, via Pakistan and Afghanistan, all the way to Mauritania and Algeria in the west. About 45 per cent of Israel's Jewish population are Mizrahi and Sephardi, Jews from these lands who were forced to leave places like Baghdad and Cairo and cannot safely return. Israel has a right to exist and an obligation to defend its people from attack. People who argue the Israeli counter attack in Gaza is disproportionate need to examine why they think that but are willing to accept the US and its allies killing up to 3 million Japanese in response to an attack on Pearl Harbour which killed 2,400 US citizens.
I think the treatment of under 18 year olds is appaling, but those commenting dont care about children they just use this as an excuse to promote anti trans ideology.
@@michelledavis2604 What do you class as anti trans? Not believing in the general concept? Or disliking trans people? I'd say the former is true. No one should be encouraged or enabled to work against their own health and dissociate from their bodies, it's a very harmful belief system imo
@@michelledavis2604 Those videos are by definition part of a particular algorithm-driven opinion. Why in the world would you generalize that towards everyone commenting here?
@@michelledavis2604 It's disappointing you came in here with a bigoted statement based on prejudice. What do you find most appalling about treatment of under 18s? Unfortunately it is far far worse in places like North America
Thank you all for your persistence - I can hardly believe a modern society has allowed this child abuse to happen
It's always a relief to hear so many calm, measured and eloquent people speak the truth of this. I'm pretty vocal on this but my opinions fall into a seeming vacuum. Gatherings like this renew my confidence that I am not going mad!
So much gratitude to all these very brave people.
Interesting discussion towards the end about whether this subject is out in the open and being discussed more widely since the Cass review. I live overseas and recently returned home to spend time with my parents who get all of their news from the BBC. Depressingly, they had not heard of the Cass review (presumably as it got so little airtime). Similarly, it's seen as a minority issue, despite the huge implications it has for women, LGB people, children and wider society. What a fantastic discussion. Huge thanks to the very brave people on the panel.
what a fabulous panel. thank you all for everything you have done
The consequences to these remarkable, courageous people who didn't ask for ANY of this rubbishing of their lives by the TRAs is beyond appalling to hear about, and all the cowardly wretches who joined in by NOT supporting them when they should have been makes my head want to explode. Thank you all.
I hear zero from the villains at Tavistock and Mermaids and Stonewall that orchestrated this.
The BMJ has slid into the gutter. I remember it was in 2022 when they published a paper using the term "cervix havers" in lieu of referring to such people as "women".
Appalling, dehumanizing.
Such an important discussion to be heard. The intimidation by anti-evidence zealots in UK academia and healthcare has been extreme.
You are my heroes. You have been the calvary. Thank you thank you THANK YOU. I love you all from the bottom of my heart 🔥
Sorry to be pedantic, but Calvary is the hill the annointed perished on. You're thinking of cavalry, riders to the rescue just in time.
@@EvilBookMan Whatever.
You get me.
Men are not woman. Keep fighting and thank you.
I'd like to see prosecutions in relation to this mistreatment of children and young people! Hats off to any whistle blowers!
They are LYING to you. Here is the REAL TRUTH about Gay and Transgenderism: It is NOT about chromosomes (the XX or the XY) or the BODY, it is about the STRUCTURE of the human brain. A Doctor with a Ph.D. in Genetics and his team did research on the STRUCTURE of the human brain. They studied the brain of straight women and straight men, gay women, and gay men, as well as transgendered women and transgendered men. What they found is this, the STRUCTURE of the brain between a male and a female is as different from each other as night is from the day. They also found that there are two distinct and separate areas of the brain that deal with sexuality and gender. They found that the area for sexual orientation in gay men is STRUCTURED the same as in straight women, NOT straight men, and in gay women, that area is STRUCTURED the same as in straight men, NOT straight women. Likewise, the center in the brain that deals with gender identity is the same, in transgender women (male to a female) it is STRUCTURED the same as in cis-women, (born and identify as female) NOT cis-men, (born and identify as male), and in transgender men, (female to male) it is STRUCTURED the same as in cis-men, NOT cis-women. It has been STRUCTURED this way since BEFORE birth. Two other teams in different parts of the world doing the same study all independent of each other found the exact same results. When a baby is first formed in the womb it is formed 100% female. Then after a few weeks, a signal from the father's genes tells the baby's body, the body only, to change and become male. The baby goes on for a few more weeks this way until it can produce a massive amount of the male hormone testosterone, which then tells the brain to change into the male pattern, such a massive amount will never be seen in that Child's life again except at the onset of puberty. If for some reason that baby does not get that massive dose of testosterone in the womb then the brain, or parts of it, continues to develop in the female pattern. Or in the case of gay women or Trans men, at some time in the mother's pregnancy that baby received a small dose of testosterone at the wrong time, either the mother ingested it somehow or her body produced it or the baby’s own body produced it all of which can and have happened. When a baby is being formed in the womb, any variation, even in the slightest, of the chemicals can cause birth defects. You have seen these birth defects in babies being born all the time, some born blind, or deaf, born with missing limbs, or heart problems, or even with a spine outside of the body, and many, many others. So why is it so hard for the right to believe that a person’s BRAIN can be STRUCTURED in the opposite way from what their bodies say they should be? You can believe in all other birth defects so why not this? I will use transgender women for this example, even though the body is male she likes all the same things a cis-gender woman likes, her emotional likes, wants and needs are the same as any woman's, and the way she sees the world is the same. Her interactions are the same, everything about her is the same as any cis-gender woman except the body. Sexual characteristics (the body) are set by the genes (the XX or the XY) but Gender is set by the STRUCTURE of the BRAIN, this has been proven through sound scientific study. Gender is how one see themselves and their place in the world and how they interact with it. If your body is set one way and your brain the other it causes a disharmony of mind and body (gender dysphoria) it is not now or ever has been a DELUSION or a PERVERSION or a MENTAL ILLNESS. When someone is going through life with this Dysphoria their life is a living hell, when people tell them that they can't be WHO they are inside because that person is uncomfortable with it then you are forcing the trans person to live in severe PAIN, Anxiety, and Depression, a PAIN that having your arms and legs cut off with a dull rusty hacksaw without any anesthetics seem like nothing in comparison, a pain that kills, LITERALLY KILLS. Think of everything you like and want as a man or a woman, everything that makes you, you, and then think how you would feel if you were constantly told that you can't have it, or be it, or do the things you love, because you are the opposite of who and what you are now, that you must bury everything that makes you, you because other people don't like it because it makes them uncomfortable, If constantly you were told that you were evil and dammed because you are who you are, denied a job, or a home, insulted, belittled, assaulted and even targeted to be KILLED just because you exist, how would you feel? Women, think how would you feel if you were forced to live, think, told to feel like and be a man, And told that you MUST do what men do, how men do it, see things the way men see them in order to be a man and you MUST be a man and that something is wrong with you if you don’t? How would you handle that? Men, think how you would feel if you were forced to live, think, feel, and be a woman? Told that you MUST do what women do, how women do it, see things the way women see them in order to be a woman and you MUST be a woman and that something is wrong with you if you don’t? How would you handle that? A trans woman does NOT fit, in a man’s social circle the same way a man does and yet they are expected to if they do not go through transition, they are expected to think, feel, and act just like any cis-gender man in that circle, but they can’t because their brain is STRUCTURED differently, so they are insulted, belittled beat on ridiculed, and humiliated by these men, constantly, all because their brain is STRUCTURED the same way a cis-gender woman’s brain is STRUCTURED. With their brain being STRUCTURED that way they would fit into a woman’s social circle but with their bodies being male, again they don’t fit in and they are excluded. They want to wear the same outfits the women wear because their brains tell them they should be just like them. Everything inside them SCREAMS that they are just like the people who are of the opposite gender and yet they are NOT allowed to be because other people are uncomfortable with them doing so, so they are FORCED to live in severe PAIN, anxiety, and depression. Trans people just want to be accepted for who they are, they want and are deserving of the very same rights as everyone else, no more and NO LESS. Here is the truth about the road to transition: First, the person MUST go to therapy, no therapy no transition, they will meet with a therapist who has knowledge and experience with transgender people. During this time they will begin social transitioning, social transitioning is nothing more than changing one's name and pronouns, and appearance such as hairstyle and clothing. Then after a number of sessions with the therapist (usually about a year) if the Dysphoria continues, and depending on the age of the person they may be given puberty blockers, (which are reversible). Then after many more sessions with the therapist and again if the Dysphoria continues they may be given hormones, it is these that have irreversible effects. Last: when they reach the age of CONSENT (CONSENT, NOT A KID, NO ONE IS DOING SURGERY ON KIDS) and if the Dysphoria continues, and if they have lived in the gender of their choice for a MINIMUM of 1 full year, and have letters from two therapists with one having a P.HD in psychology with both therapists having seen the person over a period of time they may get a consult from the surgeon, and there is usually a long waiting list for that, after the consult if the surgeon agrees then you get on the long waiting list for the surgery. IF ANYONE TELLS YOU DIFFERENTLY FROM THIS THEY ARE LYING TO YOU. Definition of a woman: How you define a woman is by how she sees herself, a woman is one who sees herself as one in mind and soul. If a person sees themselves as a woman, thinks as a woman, acts as a woman, and lives as a woman, then what is the harm to treat and respect her as one? If you cannot have compassion for another human being then how can you ask others to have compassion for you? Show compassion, empathy, and respect by calling them the name they prefer and with the pronouns they prefer. It does NOT harm you to do so but it does great harm to them when you don’t. Definition of a Man: How you define a man is by how he sees himself, a man is one who sees himself as one in mind and soul. If a person sees themselves as a man, thinks as a man, acts as a man, and lives as a man, then what is the harm to treat and respect him as one? If you cannot have compassion for another human being then how can you ask others to have compassion for you? Show compassion, empathy, and respect by calling them the name they prefer and with the pronouns they prefer. It does NOT harm you to do so but it does great harm to them when you don’t. Some of you reject the LGBTQ community because you have a need to feel morally superior to others, “pull the beam out of your own eyes before you try to pull the mote out of another’s”. Some of you reject the LGBTQ community because you don’t understand it and it fills you with fear, fear of something that is different from what you are used to, different from YOU, either one goes forward or one stagnates and dies, you limit your thinking and can’t or won’t learn, grow, and adapt. Some of you reject the LGBTQ community because you just want to hate and hurt others, it gives you a sick thrill, and you use the LGBTQ as an excuse to do so. But ALL of you who do these are small, weak, insecure, monumentally stupid, and utterly pathetic excuses of human beings.
Does that include the three whistle blowers who have come forward to expose the NHS of covering the deaths of sixteen Trans children who were denied health care in the last three years?
Excellent and extremely important. Thank you to all involved.
Brilliant session thank you very much
Some real heroism on show here, thank you everyone. I work in social care & academia and it has been terrifying and upsetting to see it taking hold. I have lost close relationships to this issue. However, it has also been fascinating to learn about and to see the machinations. It only takes a few ideologues in powerful positions to turn a whole organisation. So I am following that example in my own mission to turn it around
Since I peaked in 2018, it has gradually become safer and safer to speak freely about this in terms of having the legal right to hold gender critical beliefs. But I haven't seen any shift in the norms around me, most people I work with have never heard of the Cass Report & still believe all the trans myths
I salute the bravery of these people standing up for the rights of Children.
We are so far behind the woke and they themselves are brand new also. This was a team of superstars the best we got. But they didn't discuss why the woke deny reality and bully people. They also failed to come up with a plan other than we should just start to resist. We need massive improvement on both of those things in order to stem this lunacy.
This is an amazing panel. Thank you so much, all, for your work! ❤
My response to the last question is this: we need to call for a public inquiry into the money that brought so many public services and institutions into the EDI industry that enabled Stonewall, Mermaids etc to push the gender identity ideology, especially schools and the NHS
A Public Enquiry will not help I am afraid.
Public Enquiries are always controlled by those at the highest levels of power. Truth is never found that way.
Things can only change by the realisation by enough individual people, that society is being deliberately corrupted and degraded. The horrors of what is being done to children through the doctrine of 'gender affirming care', are a part of that, but the deliberate degrading of the whole of society and culture goes much wider than that as well.
Now that is what you’d call stunning and brave. Such courageous people.
Thank you for this National Treasure of a meeting
Brave people. 👏 It's very hard to go against the flow. Well done.
Thank goodness for these brave people who spoke out in defense of children.😢
Sixteen children have died in the last three years because of these 'brave people'
@@moif_velocitaMoron.
Holistic therapy that addresses the individual and discovers what is really going on is the only way to treat a patient
A one size fits all straight on the abbatoir assembly line belt is not
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00:16 *🏛️ Jan McVarish opens the discussion on free speech lessons from the Cass Review, emphasizing the venue's historical relevance and the event's broad audience.*
00:44 *🗣️ The session aims to address the suppression of free speech and its impact on professional practices in gender identity development, particularly at the Tavistock Clinic.*
01:38 *📚 The panel will not cover the entire Cass report but will focus on areas where suppression of free speech led to questionable practices in gender identity services.*
02:18 *🛑 The suppression of critical debate at Tavistock allowed harmful deviations from good practice, influencing academic research, policy-making, and education.*
03:13 *📉 Over 40% of Free Speech Union cases now relate to sex and gender issues, reflecting the broader societal impacts of restricted debate on these topics.*
04:34 *🚨 Sue Evans discusses her early concerns at the Tavistock Clinic about the rushed treatment approaches for children with gender dysphoria.*
05:57 *📢 David Bell echoes concerns about the treatment methods at Tavistock, citing his own experiences and the reports he wrote that were ignored or suppressed by management.*
06:25 *📚 Professor Michelle Moore has faced significant opposition for her critical work on gender ideology in medicine, reflecting the contentious nature of the debate.*
07:33 *🌐 Stephanie Davis-Arai discusses the rise of children identifying as transgender and the importance of evidence-based care and educational resources.*
09:57 *❓ Sue Evans highlights the challenges of raising concerns within a professional setting that often dismissed or undermined critical viewpoints on gender treatment practices.*
23:20 *🔄 David Bell highlights the Tavistock Clinic as a microcosm of broader societal issues, reflecting a systemic reluctance to discuss or criticize gender identity practices.*
24:12 *🗣️ Despite facing potential repercussions, David Bell felt supported by his senior position and pension security to voice critical opinions on Tavistock's practices.*
25:07 *📈 Bell notes a dramatic increase in referrals to Tavistock, from 50 to 3,000, predominantly shifting from boys to girls, yet no significant discourse on the social factors influencing this trend.*
26:12 *🛑 The historical guilt over past treatment of homosexuals was manipulated to suppress criticism of current gender identity practices.*
27:34 *📜 Bell discusses the systemic issues in handling whistleblowers within the NHS, suggesting the need for external oversight rather than internal management.*
29:53 *🚫 A cultural climate of fear prevented many from speaking out against the practices at Tavistock, contributing to the silence and inaction around controversial treatments.*
32:29 *🎓 Michelle Moore describes her alienation within academia due to her critical stance on how transgender ideology is taught in schools.*
34:30 *📚 Threats to academic freedom emerged as colleagues and institutions pushed back against Moore and her co-author for their work questioning transgender ideology.*
36:15 *📖 The publication of a controversial book by Moore led to legal threats from Tavistock's solicitors, illustrating the intense opposition to challenging mainstream narratives on gender identity.*
39:02 *🌍 The international impact of Moore's work is noted, with the establishment of a network supporting detransitioners and critical dialogue on gender medicine.*
44:05 *🚷 Michelle Moore recounts severe harassment and professional isolation at London South Bank University due to her views, highlighting the severe consequences for academic freedom.*
46:10 *🛡️ Despite personal and professional challenges, Moore remains committed to advocating for evidence-based approaches and academic freedom in discussions about gender identity.*
48:46 *🎓 Michael Biggs credits the supportive environment at Oxford for allowing academic freedom to flourish, despite external pressures and controversies.*
49:42 *🧠 Biggs emphasizes the importance of academic freedom, especially when research contradicts current orthodoxy, highlighting the essential role of universities in truth-seeking.*
50:25 *💸 Discussion on funding disparities in research, noting significant grants for studies supporting mainstream views on gender interventions versus challenges faced by dissenting researchers.*
51:22 *📊 Michael Biggs notes that while costly studies promoted by advocacy groups were not utilized by the Cass review, his research was acknowledged, underscoring the relevance of critical perspectives.*
52:05 *⚖️ Biggs reveals initiating legal action against BMJ Open for discrimination, highlighting the clash between editorial bias and protected academic beliefs under the Equality Act.*
53:57 *🏛️ The case against BMJ Open seeks minimal damages but aims for significant editorial training on the Equality Act, emphasizing the importance of content over author beliefs in academic publishing.*
55:18 *🌍 The discussion concludes on the varying impacts of academic freedom at different institutions, with a call for public support to ensure scientific integrity in research and publishing.*
01:13:59 *📊 The speaker emphasizes the critical need for evidence-based medicine and its implementation in workplace practices.*
01:14:15 *🧪 Discussion highlights the retreat from reason and truth in scientific fields, suggesting a growing suppression within the scientific community.*
01:15:03 *📺 The BBC's influence is noted as a major force in shaping public opinion, particularly in terms of not challenging transgender ideology.*
01:15:30 *🎥 Anecdote shared about the BBC's selective reporting on transgender issues, illustrating media bias.*
01:16:11 *🔄 Discussion on the difficulty of engaging withthe BBC, which is perceived as being 'captured' by transgender ideology.*
01:17:20 *🤔 The discussion addresses how emotionally abusive tactics such as gaslighting and bullying parallel the coercive methods seen in organizational ideologies.*
01:18:40 *🛡️ A call is made for external reviews and safeguards to combat ideological domination within organizations, highlighting the need for a diversity of opinions.*
01:19:08 *🔄 Discussion on the transformation of good ideas into perverse enactments within healthcare, emphasizing the problem of patient affirmation overriding clinical judgment.*
01:20:44 *⚖️ Mention of the weaponization of guilt, paralleling other societal issues, as a tactic to silence dissent and enforce ideological conformity.*
01:21:24 *📰 Analysis of media participation in the discourse, noting the divide between liberal and conservative outlets, and the absence of balanced coverage in mainstream liberal media.*
01:23:12 *🏛️ Academic freedom is discussed as severely compromised, with activists dominating the narrative in universities, stifling debate and research into controversial topics.*
01:26:10 *📚 A personal story shared by a "trans widow," highlighting the limited but significant advocacy and visibility for those affected by a partner's transition.*
01:29:17 *🌐 The Cass Review is discussed as a potential turning point in public discourse on gender identity treatment, suggesting it has helped shift perceptions toward more critical evaluation of current practices.*
01:36:53 *💼 Discussion highlights the strategic influence of financial interests on promoting progressive ideologies in professional organizations.*
01:37:07 *🏛️ Emphasis on the necessity of taking up positions within professional bodies to advocate for a more objective and scientific approach in the field of psychiatry.*
01:37:51 *🌍 Recognition that the UK has been at the forefront of the global discourse on transgender issues, influencing international perspectives.*
01:38:35 *📢 Event in France highlights international interest in the UK's approach to transgender issues, with significant participation from various experts.*
01:39:31 *📌 Despite progress, there is an acknowledgment of deep ideological beliefs embedded within institutions like the NHS, affecting discourse and policies.*
01:40:07 *🎓 Call for continued academic inquiry into issues raised by the Cass report, emphasizing the need for ongoing research and debate within academia.*
01:41:04 *💬 Highlight on the effectiveness of the trans lobby in framing their ideology as kind, and how this has influenced public and institutional perception.*
01:41:59 *🌐 Discussion on the pervasive establishment of LGBTQ+ groups across all societal sectors, including schools, and their impact on policy and culture.*
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A way out of this? For a start we can stop using their loaded terminology. For example there's no such thing as "transitioning", it's body modification. There's no such thing as "hate speech" - you cannot assert an emotion is ynlawful or know what other people are feeling in their heart.
Throw us all in jail while you're at it?
Agreed. The truth will set us free. If we use their language we are embedding their ideas
@@biancawilloughby9980No need for the histrionics.
And there is no such thing as a cis woman. There is but one kind of woman. Don't use words like "biological", "real" or "actual" about women.
Thank you for your courage.
Well done FSU ! Excellent!
God bless your work.
Awesome video.
Keep up the good work.
Thank you 😊
On the question about how it is possible for safeguarding concerns in schools to be silenced at 1:04:02, I think you will find the answer is that all the trans activist stuff in schools is sold as being part of furthering children's welfare and safeguarding.
Very true but it is against the law (Education Act I think) and most 'official' guidance (?) and regulations which apply to educational establishments. Education managers MUST be made to obey the law and stop promoting fake science to children.
Every SINGLE time i think i have finally found a video of reasonable people talking about this issue to show my lefty friends, someone is bound to veer off into talking about Israel, Ukraine or race. Why can't you focus on one battle so that we can rally forces ON THIS ONE ISSUE?
Have you ever seen either wider lens, Genspect, gender dysphoria alliance (they are trans identifying females), where are all the women, whose body is it or Ute Heggen.
Not sure which you'll find useful but I find they don't tend to start expressing political views.
If u r referring to the reference to Gaza, it lasted for about 10 seconds in a 1 hour 44 min panel. The panel was presented by the Free Speech Union. Free speech.
Not all heroes wear capes!
I'm so grateful for this.
Wonderful.
A fine panel of brave Critical thinkers willing to risk all. Courageous stuff in the face of vicious ideologues. Respect.
Whilst the subjects are very different the suppression of public debate, the restriction on funding and publishing of research, and the religious fervour of the acolytes is mirrored in the Net Zero/ Climate change problem.
Sadly, but predictably I suppose, the BMA has now trashed the Cass report.
#TransFascism
#LGBwithoutTheTQ
27:33 this entire thing is being scaffolded by the fear that middle aged people have of not wanting recreate the problems we saw in the 80s regarding homosexuality. i was the same at first. it’s like we had learnt our lesson. once this is explained we will see a change i’m certain of it.
also, isn’t GIDS or “jids” such a revolting sounding acronym. it’s like interfering with the word ‘kids’.
i noticed yesterday that when they say "gender-affirming care" they always mean affirming the gender opposite one's genetic sex.
Go Michele Moore
The term T-fobia was coined by a man who invaded and successfully ended women's events "lived as a woman", then ended it all after disavowing the ideology.
there is a reason JK Rowling has been at the forefront of this: she has f*ck-you-money, and she, her family, her kids and loved ones are not dependent upon anyone else to have a safe roof over their heads. I hate that the world is like this, that people can be threatened to silence, but it is what it is. It makes the truth-sayes truly brave people ❤
Justice for the Tavistock 16 who were deliberately left out of the Cass report.
I wasn't aware. Thank you for bringing them to my attention.
@@unitysprings3631That's because it is a claim without any proof as yet.
It's also a grossly unfair and ignorant way of understanding suicide which has multiple factors.
In the UK every under 18 suicide is investigated fully. For this reason we know gender dysphoria has a thankfully very low suicide rate. It would be very surprising given how few suicides we had before affirmative care and how few Finland and Sweden had after rolling it back to find this to be true.
The original Dutch protocol study had 2 deaths out of 70. A study that cherry picked patients and claimed lower suicidality for affirmative care had 2 suicides out of 314. These are astronomical rates of suicide.
The "dead kid or trans kid" is an incredibly irresponsible idea spread by the trans community. We know suicide is socially contagious. The fact they spread these ideas with no good evidence is disgusting as it may well lead to more suicides than if kids were presented with the truth.
Oh and the person who mentioned this is an alcoholic who accused literally everyone of being transphobic. He will never ever respond.
@@robertmarshall2502 thank you for such a comprehensive reply. I am surprised that it's visible tbh.
I'll just say that if gender is infinite, we aren't really talking about anything other than per son ally T, are we?
This whole gig will make lab otto me's look like flower arranging on a Tuesday afternoon.
@@unitysprings3631 I'm as surprised as you lol
There are massive contradictions between the enby and T sides. If you go and look at what many of them say then they're trying to escape gender stereotypes. Somehow they fall face first into reinforcing them. There's clearly a social element, an element of fitting in, of being special etc. In one study 9.2% of middle schoolers in the US are trans. No one in their right mind thinks that makes sense except that trans is a socio-cultural identity.
The Q is clearly boring as fuck heterosexuals with no personality. I don't know about you but I'm guessing like me you couldn't dilute your personality down to a label. Unfortunately some young ppl today are just that shallow and superficial.
If you've not read the Wpath files then I highly highly recommend it. You can also look up the author Mia Hughes in Genspect videos where they go through similar medical scandals. All the same markers are there. It's fascinating in a macabre way.
BTW if evidence came out that the cides were linked I'd be open to it. But the "community" thrives on shirt term claims that they never follow up on. They still dine out on the deaths of trans ppl at the hands of "cis-het" hatred even after it's been debunked.
I regularly tell ppl what Wpath actually says and they're horrified, call me a liar and then continue believing. There's a woman, Diane Ehrensaft, part of Wpath who was literally involved in the Satanic Panic. They mentioned it briefly here and I can't lol but the Wpath chapter on U-nux is sourced by one of the most horrible things on the internet today.
It's the biggest medical scandal of our generation.
Primary sex characteristics are more important than secondary
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This is useful, and appreciated. Sadly, the absence of Sonia Appleby, a long-time whistleblower and child-protection specialist, is eye-poppingly disappointing. A short interview with her here (ua-cam.com/video/omS8a7XwdAM/v-deo.htmlsi=63mEMYSchsShjftr) shows some of what you're missing.
This is interesting, however, do we have a list of detransitioners? I am asking genuinely because this is always the biteback from TRAs. I am only aware of Keira Bell. I have never heard of a single other complainant or detransitioner. I would like to cite numbers or evidence for how we know that Tavi actually did cause harm to children. If anyone knows, please direct me
Read the Cass report, it goes into this
I think the shame is unlikely to result in many coming forward.
I tend to focus on things like the numbers of same-sex attracted or autistic. Or just the fact at the Tavistock the mental health outcomes were negative.
The "critique" out of Yale is also useful. They complained that it focused too much on helping improve mental health. They made the rather amazing admission that affirmative care has nothing to do with helping alleviate gender dysphoria. They know it's aesthetic.
If there is anything I find TRAs get really confounded by it's feeding back to them what members of Wpath actually say. They get awfully stuck when they call you a liar because they are clearly appalled by this and then you bring out the proof.
Tens of thousands on Redditt
@@lechenaultia5863'Reddit' LMAO
Ritchie Heron is very outspoken, and in the US there's Chloe Cole. There are many detransitioner videos on UA-cam, also.
Is it UA-cam that removes comments?
Yes, there are 100s of words which flag a comment for censorship… Cuss words or to do with **x
Often times, but sometimes your comment may just be 'hidden'. At the top of the comments section click "sort by" & check in both "Top Comments" & "newest first" if you can't find it in either of the two listing...you were censored.
David's digression into the politics of Israel-Palestine really didn't help. But since he's raised the objection, let me respond. Israel is the only territory on Earth claimed by Jews who want to have a Jewish-majority homeland.
They want a Jewish-majority homeland because if they were a minority in their homeland they couldn't democratically prevent the introduction of antisemitic legislation and couldn't bring much pressure to bear on law courts and security agencies who discriminated against them.
The homeland they claimed in 1948 was, per the UN's 1947 partition plan, a speck of land just 14,100 sq kms in area. Only 4,100 sq kms of that area was deemed habitable. Initially, 500,000 Jews would share that land almost equally with 480,000 non-Jews. So the amount of habitable land claimed just by Jews to be their homeland was just 2,050 sq kms. I hope David can be relied on to do his own research and work out how many times that amount of land would fit into the land area claimed by European Christians who wanted to increase their resource base by planting a flag in New Zealand, Australia, and every country in the Americas. The answer is several thousand times.
Then David should research the combined land area of all the Muslim-ruled countries from Bangladesh in the east, via Pakistan and Afghanistan, all the way to Mauritania and Algeria in the west. About 45 per cent of Israel's Jewish population are Mizrahi and Sephardi, Jews from these lands who were forced to leave places like Baghdad and Cairo and cannot safely return.
Israel has a right to exist and an obligation to defend its people from attack.
People who argue the Israeli counter attack in Gaza is disproportionate need to examine why they think that but are willing to accept the US and its allies killing up to 3 million Japanese in response to an attack on Pearl Harbour which killed 2,400 US citizens.
Free speech is a great thing.
It’s funny how you talk about right wing paper but then imply that the guardian is balanced! It’s a left wing paper that’s it
Wow! Such such brave transphobia (eye roll).
No such thing on this video.
Protip. Science =//= transphobia, and the latter isn't really a word.
@@anttikristian I agree they are not brave.
I think the treatment of under 18 year olds is appaling, but those commenting dont care about children they just use this as an excuse to promote anti trans ideology.
Why do you think that? It seems quite a strange assumption
@@jayjaydubfulbecause that's a common theme on most anti trans influencer videos.
@@michelledavis2604 What do you class as anti trans? Not believing in the general concept? Or disliking trans people? I'd say the former is true. No one should be encouraged or enabled to work against their own health and dissociate from their bodies, it's a very harmful belief system imo
@@michelledavis2604 Those videos are by definition part of a particular algorithm-driven opinion. Why in the world would you generalize that towards everyone commenting here?
@@michelledavis2604 It's disappointing you came in here with a bigoted statement based on prejudice.
What do you find most appalling about treatment of under 18s? Unfortunately it is far far worse in places like North America