Uk psychiatrist here- there are many of us who try to stand against this nonsense but our health boards slap us down with slurs when we stick our heads above the parapet. We’ve known testosterone can cause hepatic cancers for decades. It’s not news. I’m also shocked that the similarities to anorexia nervosa are not considered more- both groups of patients assert beliefs about identity that are not in keeping with reality. One group is detained and force fed in the interests of their health, the other are encouraged and given help to mutilate themselves.
The female body is a very unique thing. Lots of hormonal stages and physical changes as she progresses through puberty, menstruations, pregnancy, post-pregnancy, peri menopause and post menopause. Pumping it full of the WRONG sex hormones sounds like a terrible idea
@@nikobellic570 14yr old girl - "if you don't give me drugs and surgeries for severe body modification I'll DO a S U I C I D E" Doctor - "Oh NOOO, can't have that, here's some T to grow a beard and little T d ! c k, now hop on the bed and I'll cut your t ! t s off for ya, that'll make you happy, oh you're so stunning and brave BRAVO"👏👏👏
Excellent point about the anorexics. The main difference is that the trans group has a religious ideology guiding them. They believe in the concept of an innate, sexed identity or soul that is distinct from physical sex and should be the basis on which society is segregated. The fact that they've managed to convince those without body dysphoria to believe this too shows how weak and malleable our species really is.
True, although it's not just about giving then the wrong hormones, it's suppressing the RIGHT ones too. Puberty isn't just about sex. We need puberty for our hypothalamus to mature. It controls so many things. I was horrified to read this quote from a doctor at a major children's hospital who explains how puberty blockers shut down a child's hypothalamus, which controls emotions, sexuality, and the aesthetic sense. Children are being left intellectually, emotionally and sexually stunted for life. We are allowing this to happen. Here's the quote: "This medication is called a "gonadotropin releasing hormone agonist" and it comes in the form of monthly injections or an implant. And because it simulates the activity of this hormone, it shuts down the activity of the hypothalamus. The hypothalamus is this almond-sized structure in your brain, it's one of the most vestigial structures we have, and it controls all the other hormonal structures in your body-your sexual development, your emotions, your fight-or-flight response, everything. But it shouldn't be described in such cold physiological terms because your hypothalamus is not just a hormone factory. It's this system that allows you to stand in awe of the beauty of a sunset, or to hear the sounds of orchestral music and to stop whatever you're doing and want to listen. [...] To shut down that system is to shut down what makes us human." What are we doing to the children of the next generation? 😢
Andrew Doyle and Douglas Murray called this from the start. I’m gay, 35 and very glad these leaks happened. They are more proof of what was known all along. The LGBTQIANDSOON community must help clean this up
Marci Bowers, boss of WPATH, is the trans identified male surgeon who operated on Jazz Jennings, who needed multiple surgeries to fix things that went wrong. Bowers is on video stating that a child who is put on puberty blockers at Tanner Stage 2, then onto cross sex hormones, will never have an orgasm as an adult. The hypothalamus needs puberty for you to become sexually mature. Those kids will also be sterile, as they won't produce eggs/sperm. How can any child give informed consent to giving up sexual feelings for life before they even experience them? Who can give informed consent that your adult self will never want to have a child? Jazz Jennings is now in his early 20s. He feels no sexual attraction and can't even tell if he's heterosexual, bi or gay. It's heartbreaking to see. He will never experience sexual feelings. This is child cruelty. He has multiple related health issues. I hope he sues his parents. They, and Bowers, should be in jail.
Jennings also has obesity and depression. The WPATH boss is laughing all the way to the bank whilst stunting and maiming children to live out his twisted fantasy of stopping male puberty
They even say on "I am Jazz" that Jazz may be A-sexual like that is completely normal and is just as valid a sexuality as homosexuality or heterosexuality and wasn't directly caused by having his puberty blocked.
@@wolfhugs2221 He does deserve some sympathy for what has been done to him, but the fact that he has gone through all the mistreatment he has and he advocates for puting more kids through everything he has gone through means he is just as evil as his mother and Marci Bowers and deserves scorn as well.
@@aidananstey9848 we don't know the effects of puberty blockers. Do you not think he sounds like a child? It's like he's in some sort of arrested development. I don't think he realises. Yet.
They complain that the discussion is "toxic," but are the same people who made it toxic by insisting on "no debate." That any questioning or discussion was "hate" or "genocide" or "transphobia" and would cost lives. Profoundly, pathologically dishonest.
The Barrister also misrepresented the detransitioner rates….because the gender clinics do NOT follow up on patients that desist, or refuse any help with former patients that go into detransition, so any data from them is inconclusive, to be nice, misleading on principle, to be factual
This scandal is going to make Icepick Lobotomies look minor in comparison. Shame that not ONE from WPATH would agree to be interviewed, but these types rarely venture into the light.
If left to continue, the highly unethical medical procedures on minors in particular with life long devastating implications, will 😢comparable to that of the Thalidomide scandal, a morning sickness pill given to pregnant mothers that horrifically damaged the unborn baby in the womb causing the loss of 2 or more upper and/or lower limbs completely unformed.
@@truthhurts2879 I think this is far worse, because this time a lot of people knew this was not in line with scientific research, but kept on doing it anyhow. With Thalidomine, as far as I remember, the testing on rats was done with no negative results….so it wasn‘t people putting a drug on the market after the rat babies had been born deformed
I've been following this horrific medical atrocity for years now but still, this was a stunning watch. It just gets worse & worse, doesn't it? Crimes against humanity are one thing, crimes against children are somehow on another level. Thank-you Andrew for this incredible piece.
A major hindrance in challenging the nonsense is the feminist framing of this as misogyny. As in ‘all men’. I think they feel that if they discriminate ‘against MEN’ rather than ‘against TRANS PEOPLE’, it’s okay. It’s a problem of the reach of an ideology more than a problem of ‘the patriarchy’.
And put gender ideology displays in NHS hospitals but god forbid a woman wear a t-shirt saying “Woman: adult human female” she’s shown the door for “transphobia” even if she has cancer.
Because it's not a medical scandal. You can google it lmao .. "erin reed wpath files" .. it's not too hard to find out that this is just a coordinated political stunt
Agreed! He looks more like a pervert or AGP'er instead of someone trying to pass as a woman. Look at Blaire White(who doesn't believe in child transitioning)and then look at Robin, one wants to fit in, live life and move on and the other would happily continue mutilating children. Robin either has no clue how high the regret rate is of children who were pushed into this BS or he's actively lying and denying the truth. If one is an adult, go ahead and cut up yourself but messing with children is NEVER acceptable!
Non-feminist women need to stand up to this. As in more women. I say so in order to not see this as an ideology war or leftist in-fighting 🎪. We can’t have a pushback to the trans nonsense portrayed as a problem between men and women. It’s actually more of subversion, linked to ‘post-human’/transhuman ideology.
The way that these people react when being calmy questioned is proof alone that they know its wrong. I fear there is a very dark side to this cult that is yet to come out. And then, all those complicit in this fiasco, will surely pay the price.
This House of Cards must fall. 😢 “Doctors” who carried out these procedures should be struck off & sued, parents who were complicit charged with neglect and the promotion of queer theory & gender ideology brought to an end! 🤬
When people come out of hip replacement when they have regret, they are not silenced, ridiculed, discounted, shunned, and not provided with follow up health care.
Right. And even if the number was as low as he claims, those are human beings! Whose lives have been ruined by this. It is dehumanising to reduce them to "just a very low percentage"
In addition to that, the equivalence is completely false: a lot more people get hip replacements than people want to change their gender. It’s absolutely nonsense to compare that.
His 20% regret rate isn't a good analogy anyway. Hip replacements aren't done based on whether or not you identify as needing one, where as with transgenderism as it stands that's the entire diagnostic criteria at the moment. So it's incredibly difficult to justify having a 20% regret rate for transgender treatments.
Genevieve Gluck is a warrior. It takes a lot for someone to witness and shed light on what amounts to some of the darkest shlt that exists in humanity. I am grateful to her for that and I will be keeping her in my prayers. God bless her. 🙏
Doctors, therapists and clinicians can no longer hide behind the WPATH standards of care. They can try and deny that they ever did, but they can't. Let the lawsuits flow and end this horror show perpetrated on children.
Some retribution is needed. Doctors, teachers, judges, social workers, police ALL need to be brought to justice in some way. They cannot be allowed to skulk off and pretend not to have known. We did NOT need the WPATH files to see how immoral this ideology is.
@@socratesrocks1513True, but we elected politicians who COULD have stopped it. This has all happened on the Conservatives' watch and they did nothing. A few even cheered it on, naively thinking they were 'being kind'.
Medical Organisations - 👉 we rely on WPATH to provide guidelines and "standards of care" Question to WPATH - What makes your guidelines and SoC reliable and scientific? WPATH - 👉 All the Medical associations stand by our guidelines and SoC. I believe that's called, idea laundering.
That dude after Helen Joyce saying "There is an 'essence' of femaleness and an 'essence' of maleness"... goodness gracious me what a load of bs 🙄🙄🙄🙄 I wouldn't trust him one bit with anything...
It is absolutely ridiculous. I can't believe that they can change their birth certificate. That is outrageous. I can't believe it's got this far. It needs to be challenged and changed imo. I don't say that out of hate, I say it because it would be the right thing to do. My eyes are truly opened.
completely!!!!! and he got to decide how far to go - eg not altering voice - but the Tavi-victims were assisted/encouraged/pushed without understanding full implications of what they were embarking on....
I am so tired of hearing “But the numbers of regrets are Low!” In 1985 the FDA started putting warnings on aspirin for kids under 12 because of Reye’s Syndrome. Even though it’s extremely rare. Who cares if it’s low? You’re ok with medical harm as long as you got what you wanted?
Generally insane in the most part. If you're of age to decide then you'll have to live with it but underage is abhorrent. I wonder how many want to detransition but are scared stiff to put themselves through that again?
Generally not a watcher of GB news however Andrew Doyle is very much the exception to the rule amongst a lot of the other presenters. This 'special' was amazingly well thought out and put together and did, in my opinion do its best to present a balanced view. A subject that is so very important and one which so needs exploring and poses questions for which credible answers are imperative. Well done, Andrew et al; please keep up reporting on and around this subject. Ideology must not be allowed to trump truth.
I don’t know if it’s that most people wouldn’t care- some evil ones won’t- but outside the cult, I think the real problem is one that Genevieve has discussed on other programs about this- it’s so horrible, so dark, that people, ordinary people don’t want to believe it’s true. I’m not defending that- I’ve followed this and spoke out on this issue for a long time and at great personal cost at times, and I’m furious that many people are so uncritical and unwilling to listen. But I do understand that people go into denial about atrocities. This is a version of that.
I’m amazed only 9,000 people have watched this, this is one of the most serious subject of our current time. The medical profession and NHS needs get its house in order, they should be ashamed of following this pathway
Some retribution is needed. Doctors, teachers, judges, social workers, police ALL need to be brought to justice in some way. They cannot be allowed to skulk off and pretend not to have known. We did NOT need the WPATH files to see how immoral this ideology is. (although I am grateful to Mia H & Michael S for their work in releasing them.
@@IronQuill-r3rBS. There are primary school teachers all over the place (the typical woke blue haired, nose ring, etc) putting up 🌈 flags all over their classrooms, telling their students they can be whatever they want, and don’t have to be what they were “assigned at birth” 🙄. Plenty of teachers involved in this.
Robin Moira White didn't want his voice to sound like Minnie Mouse??!? So sick and tired of men who equate a higher pitched voice (like females tend to have obviously) as belonging to to people who can't be taken seriously in a professional setting.
One reason why someone with high pitched voices may be taken less seriously is because children tend to have higher pitched voices. However, that's no excuse for people to treat women at work differently to men.
Nobody asked this man if he still has a penis, if he has a long life partner, and if he experienced fullness of femaleness !?!? .....Without orgasm, without giving birth... What ???
Many trans men have expressed their concerns.. Buck Angel has a podcast. Aaron Terrell and Aaron Kimberley phD are all trans men and have talk shows on UA-cam. Gender Dysphoria Alliance. We are all liberals who love trans people waving the red flags trying desperately to be heard. trans activists like Erin Reed call us transphobes and wont even have a conversation.
This is a terrible abuse of children. I can't understand the lack of empathy for these youngsters who are being harmed by trans ideology and yet Robin sits there saying this is "hurtful" to him and men like him. Banality of evil indeed.
It was VERY hurtful to me when others pointed out my alcoholism and drug abuse and started speaking out against me ruining my life with drugs and alcohol lol. I totally understand his opinion, and he DOES believe it. No matter how sober I stay for how long, I NEED drugs and alcohol. I NEED IT! FOR ME! I don’t care that it destroys me. (Well I do but I NEED IT) The difference between me and people like them, is I’m actually empathetic and occasionally realize when my emotions and my inner urges are trying to drive. At least now, much better I can. In his mind, HIS mind, he NEEDS to be affirmed, everything NEEDS to be totally fine and not destructive even though it is etc etc… I suffer from all the same mental afflictions as any rainbow cult member, I just choose to escape, and distract with drugs and alcohol. I’m mostly sober, I’ve cut the worst of substances out, but I STILL NEED IT. The difference between me and HIM however, is I realize my brain is needing it. My body doesn’t need it. Reality doesn’t need it, I know my NEED for it is just a chemical imbalance from exposing myself to chemicals that spiked my natural brain chemicals. I’ll never be the same, I will never “reverse” the addiction, it will always be there. But I can think in both areas. I can fully understand my “NEED” and understand it’s still really just a WANT. HE wants to protect his own identity and his own “reality/truth” because he NEEDS to. And any person that regrets a transition or pushes back on this ideology in ANY form literally is committing mental violence on this sick man. All in his own head of course, that’s the way he feels. He’s sick and will always feel that way whether he transitions or not. Which he clearly HASNT transitioned medically yet still advocates for this evil on children even though he TRULY has no idea the damage… I don’t know, maybe he has done some medical treatments. But EVERYONE I know that HAS (personally or through observation in the internet) transitioned speaks out against child transition VEHEMENTLY. I have transgenders in my family and friends. Not a SINGLE ONE advocates what is going on in the slightest… both the ones that regret deeply, and the ones I know that claim (and truly do seem) they are happy, and better than before transition. EVEN THE ONES THAT HAVE HAD A POSITIVE JOURNEY ARE TOTALLY AGAINST THIS FOR CHILDREN. Only the truly SICK are. And it’s because the reality they created in their heads (like I did with psychedelics and numbing with alcohol and other substances) MUST NOT be broken down, or else they are left in TRUE agony and confusion and torture. But it’s usually temporary if you change when you realize your beliefs are wack. Sorry for the long rambling comment. You know exactly why he supports this. If he’s GENUINE and really believes we NEED this for children, you do understand why he takes this position. And if it’s not his perceived NEED and false reality bubble at risk of implosion, then he his quite literally a malevolent predator/sadist/narcissist. I find MOST men who transition are highly narcissistic, while MIST women who transition have bipolar or borderline personality disorders. And the autistic are all at HUGE risk of confusion and coercion. If you don’t know about Chloe Cole, go check HER out, what a beautiful, intelligent, STRONG and SOLID woman she turned out to be, even with no breasts and quite a bit of internal damage. I’m no where near as strong as that young woman.
@@christopherkucia1071 This was one of the most insightful things I've heard on the subject. You should make it it's own comment instead of just a reply, more people could take something from it.
It is shameful that the easiest ‘test’ to finally decide this matter hasn’t been properly done. If going through puberty resolves the problem in a significant number of children then it would be criminal to block puberty.
Thankyou for covering this. The MSM is quiet, strangely enough. Andrew has been consistent over the years and is being proved right to have had such concerns.
In light of the NHS banning puberty blockers for children two days later, one can't help think this interview with Helen Joyce helped put a final nail in the coffin.
That individual saying there are very low levels of regret well how do they know this has only really accelerated over the last few years and the ramifications have yet to be seen! Children should not be allowed anywhere near this insane ideology, they have no concept of the consequences. What an adult wishes to do is a far cry from what a child can even assimilate. On another note decades of physiological research seems to have been thrown out of the window by these zealots.
The trans woman's example - who transitioned as an adult - simply cannot compare to transitioning minors and people below the age of 21. Minors simply cannot consent. Yet this Robin individual whines about 'toxic environment' (when most usually trans activists are the ones who refuse debate) and also cites unsourced data about supposedly less than 1% de-transition rate. PS: Yes please have Genevieve Gluck back on the show. And Helen Joyce too.
28:35 "Regret" is not an evidence-based metric of a treatment's suitability or success. That's completely subjective, which is deeply unscientific. He's not a 'scientist" or going by "evidence" at all. He's going by what props up his existing ideology and beliefs. Demented.
I didn't think hip replacement is a valid comparison. If one's hip is damaged, that's something physical that can be objectively seen by an external observer, whereas trans identity is entirely psychological and subjective.
Absolutely, also, any study that has a dropout rate over 40% is invalid anyhow….wonder how ‚regretful‘ these +40% of people were, since they had to be ignored to come up with this wonderfully low regret rate 😤
Wow! Have never heard G Gluck give such a comprehensive interview. Her clarity is refreshing. She has dared to go to the darkest side of this ideology.
@@DarkRyeOrganic_Au absolutely. Don’t know how she stays so calm for these interviews. I’d be raving and ranting and raging, I don’t know if I could help it. I start raving, ranting, & raging whenever I talk about this shit.
He is also a barefaced liar. His own blog shows that he DID have voice feminisation surgery, but it didn't work. Imagine thinking he could get away with such a big lie. I wouldn't trust ANYTHING he says.
He doesn't seem to hate masculinity. He kept his masculine voice since, as he said, no one would take him seriously quite rightly if he sounded like "minnie mouse".
21:50 proceeds to use a quote by Helen Joyce as the sole reason why 33, yes 33 organisations supporting the highly unethical gender affirming care for minors refused to accept their invitation to debate the horrific medical abuses going on, then says "I may have got a few words wrong used by Helen Joyce".... Even the very first interaction is started upon a lie.
Astonishing that a barrister wouldn't be careful enough to make sure his 'Joyce' quote was verbatim and, as it turns out, complete misconstrued what Helen *actually* said. This is very disturbing coming from a bloke whose profession is the law.
If an adult chooses to change their gender, that's their choice and the best of luck to them. If a child wants it, no! They need to go through puberty and know what sex is like and what they're losing before it's taken away from them forever. As was pointed out, this isn't like diabetes where you can have regular tests to determine the status of the condition, whether it's getting better or worse, and what meds you need to stop you dying. Whether you believe or not, whether you care or not, unregulated diabetes actually kills. Being gender dysphoric will not kill you. The psychiatric problems that come alongside it may well make you suicidal, but lopping off bits of your anatomy and making you sterile is unlikely to improve that. Proper psychiatric treatment and support to identify the issues (although I question what good modern psychiatry does. So long as they focus on fitting you into a box instead of dealing with you as an individual, I suspect very little), an end to promoting this as an option to children which seems to have caused a social contagion, and helping them deal with things until they discover they're not trans, they were going through a phase, or they're gay or yes, they ARE trans and now they're old enough and they know what they're about to lose, is the better approach. Why are they SO keen to make kids sterile?
It's not right that a birth certificate can be changed, imo. And i will be lobbying against all of this. The trans lobby pushed too far, and now people, like me, are waking up, and I will be peacefully pushing back. I can't believe it got this far. I say that not out of hate but because it's the right thing to do.
Did you also pick up on the pure misogyny when he described the way a voice surgery would affect his voice? He knows full well he gets more respect in court with his very deep baritone, which will assert male dominance on the listeners… By this statement lone I am confident calling bs on his gender dysphoria, any dysphoric male who suffered daily from his gender markers would jump at the choice to get anything surgically ‚fixed‘, that made their biology obvious to bystanders.. Since he clearly has no problem with it, he is a fetishist, an Autogynephile…so not a Trans person as we used to understand it, but a Transvestite. I don‘t care for men carrying their fetishes into the workplace and make any women they interact with unconsenting props in their 4play!
So many actual medical institutions(American Academy of Pediatrics, American Psychiatric Association) have become deeply invested in this ideology. I don't think we'll see them changing their positions, at least not in the near future. I expect they'll be doubling down any time now.
I suggest that its a lot easier for someone to say "oh, i regret that knee surgery" than it is for someone to say "i regret completely transitioning gender in every way". There is a psychological component, an empotional component, a biological component, a physical component, a social component (probably the biggest one!), where you told friends, family, coworkers, and the world that you are the opposite "gender".
Regarding the barrister, who would want to sound like Mickey Mouse after Voice surgery? Sounds like a fool when he suggests that Voice box surgery could be a reasonable thing for someone to do… but not for him. My mentally ill son went down this path. Despite his autism and his documented schizophrenia, they turned him into a eunuch. Then they gave him the vocal cord surgery. He sounded like a freak show as the barrister described. Butchering mentally ill and confused young people. Then putting the cherry on top… A Voice that wouldn't even sound right as a cartoon character. He's in his sixth trans friendly shelter… they kick him out because he's …mentally ill.
PTSD and Complex PTSD from dysfunctional and abusive experiences growing up is bound to warp peoples self image. The barrister starts with the assumption that it is a perfectly healthy state of mind to dislike your own body's sex.
This is the single best overview of all that's wrong with so called "transgender healthcare" I've ever seen. Well done and thank you Andrew, and all involved.
Don’t you get a feeling that you have to be very careful with this person who has done this transition, don’t you get the feeling that we have to be very careful because they seem to live on this feeling of victimisation.
There is a 'study' that claims regret is very low. 40% of the people in the study getting treatment dropped out, and were conveniently ignored when they calculated the 'satisfied' statistics. It's easy to say 'most are satisfied' when you totally exclude the 40% who certainly weren't.
Another great edition Andrew. Please keep going with these clear, full of information programmes so I can decide what I want to believe rather then being brainwashed with an ideology that doesn't make sense.
I was more sympathetic than I expected to be, after hearing "transition or jump off a cliff" especially at age 40. I still think it's irresponsible in the extreme to promote that notion to kids. Getting it into their suggestible minds that any pushback or delay may lead them to suicide may very well be self-fulfilling, plus there's no evidence that transitioning helps in that regard.
@@mightyirishbe careful. There are websites where advice is given on the language to use to get transition. He sounds like he's read them and will manipulate those around him.
@@mightyirish if a person was ready to stand on a cliff because they hated their gender so much, wouldn‘t you think they would also jump at the choice to ‚adjust‘ their voice to sound less male…? If it helped ‚save‘ their life? Yeah, I call bs on him ‚suffering from gender dysphoria‘…he is clearly a transvestite, who has seen the way the trans debate has jumped all established safeguards and found his moment to act out a paraphilia best kept in the bedroom.
@@wolfhugs2221 Yes, threats of suicide can be the worst form of emotional manipulation and attention seeking. An alcoholic boyfriend of a member of my family used this exact threat the night before her final university exams. Just as alcoholism, gambling etc are addictions that take over the lives of the addict and their loved ones, to their detriment, I think sexual fetishes such as AGP and transvestism (whilst lurking beneath the current label of "transgender") are also, or at least can become, addictions.
27:00 An "essence" is magical thinking. It's like Scientology thetans or your crystal aura. It's complete nonsense, and not the reason for anyone to be medicalized. The circular definition and "color to a blind man" is a convenient - and dishonest - special pleading. It's like saying that if you believed in god you'd be able to tell his presence. That's idiotic. You have to believe in order to believe.
That's nothing to do with a 'crystal aura' and it's not magic. Research has shown that crystals, homeopathy, irridology, ear candling etc don't work. Like religion, believers may get a placebo effect, which is why genderwoo is comparable to a religion.
Remember when during the lockdowns when the cry was, "One life saved is worth it!!" Now it's, "Oh well, it's just a few people's lives that are destroyed.". 🙄
9% of the clinic’s patients who returned to the clinic expressed regret with transitioning. Now we have to find those who did not return and ask them how they feel. But we can’t, because that would be unethical. Is reliability even possible?! Is informed consent possible without reliability?!?!
Robin is a Man and invested in his own confirmation that he has done the right thing, and he was a grown man not a 4-year-old girl pressured by her mother or teachers and yes pressure stops de-trans same as the number person who leaves a cult is low,
Really appreciate you giving your voice and space on your program for others doing the same. It is not a toxic environment if / when there is discussion only when there is dictatorship. I'm going to my library this week to see if they have a copy of the Wpath file and if not why not. Thank you
Uk psychiatrist here- there are many of us who try to stand against this nonsense but our health boards slap us down with slurs when we stick our heads above the parapet. We’ve known testosterone can cause hepatic cancers for decades. It’s not news. I’m also shocked that the similarities to anorexia nervosa are not considered more- both groups of patients assert beliefs about identity that are not in keeping with reality. One group is detained and force fed in the interests of their health, the other are encouraged and given help to mutilate themselves.
The female body is a very unique thing. Lots of hormonal stages and physical changes as she progresses through puberty, menstruations, pregnancy, post-pregnancy, peri menopause and post menopause. Pumping it full of the WRONG sex hormones sounds like a terrible idea
@@nikobellic570 14yr old girl - "if you don't give me drugs and surgeries for severe body modification I'll DO a S U I C I D E"
Doctor - "Oh NOOO, can't have that, here's some T to grow a beard and little T d ! c k, now hop on the bed and I'll cut your t ! t s off for ya, that'll make you happy, oh you're so stunning and brave BRAVO"👏👏👏
Excellent point about the anorexics. The main difference is that the trans group has a religious ideology guiding them. They believe in the concept of an innate, sexed identity or soul that is distinct from physical sex and should be the basis on which society is segregated. The fact that they've managed to convince those without body dysphoria to believe this too shows how weak and malleable our species really is.
True, although it's not just about giving then the wrong hormones, it's suppressing the RIGHT ones too. Puberty isn't just about sex. We need puberty for our hypothalamus to mature. It controls so many things. I was horrified to read this quote from a doctor at a major children's hospital who explains how puberty blockers shut down a child's hypothalamus, which controls emotions, sexuality, and the aesthetic sense.
Children are being left intellectually, emotionally and sexually stunted for life. We are allowing this to happen.
Here's the quote:
"This medication is called a "gonadotropin releasing hormone agonist" and it comes in the form of monthly injections or an implant. And because it simulates the activity of this hormone, it shuts down the activity of the hypothalamus. The hypothalamus is this almond-sized structure in your brain, it's one of the most vestigial structures we have, and it controls all the other hormonal structures in your body-your sexual development, your
emotions, your fight-or-flight response, everything. But it shouldn't be described in such cold physiological terms because your hypothalamus is not just a hormone factory. It's this system that allows you to stand in awe of the beauty of a sunset, or to hear the sounds of orchestral music and to stop whatever you're doing and want to listen. [...] To shut down that system is to shut down what makes us human."
What are we doing to the children of the next generation? 😢
Thank you for trying to stand up to this nonsense.
Andrew Doyle and Douglas Murray called this from the start. I’m gay, 35 and very glad these leaks happened. They are more proof of what was known all along. The LGBTQIANDSOON community must help clean this up
The LGB need to distance themselves from the insanity.
Marci Bowers, boss of WPATH, is the trans identified male surgeon who operated on Jazz Jennings, who needed multiple surgeries to fix things that went wrong.
Bowers is on video stating that a child who is put on puberty blockers at Tanner Stage 2, then onto cross sex hormones, will never have an orgasm as an adult. The hypothalamus needs puberty for you to become sexually mature. Those kids will also be sterile, as they won't produce eggs/sperm. How can any child give informed consent to giving up sexual feelings for life before they even experience them? Who can give informed consent that your adult self will never want to have a child?
Jazz Jennings is now in his early 20s. He feels no sexual attraction and can't even tell if he's heterosexual, bi or gay. It's heartbreaking to see. He will never experience sexual feelings. This is child cruelty. He has multiple related health issues. I hope he sues his parents. They, and Bowers, should be in jail.
Jennings also has obesity and depression. The WPATH boss is laughing all the way to the bank whilst stunting and maiming children to live out his twisted fantasy of stopping male puberty
They even say on "I am Jazz" that Jazz may be A-sexual like that is completely normal and is just as valid a sexuality as homosexuality or heterosexuality and wasn't directly caused by having his puberty blocked.
Can't think about Jazz without so much pity. Horrific experiment on an innocent kid.
@@wolfhugs2221 He does deserve some sympathy for what has been done to him, but the fact that he has gone through all the mistreatment he has and he advocates for puting more kids through everything he has gone through means he is just as evil as his mother and Marci Bowers and deserves scorn as well.
@@aidananstey9848 we don't know the effects of puberty blockers. Do you not think he sounds like a child? It's like he's in some sort of arrested development. I don't think he realises. Yet.
They complain that the discussion is "toxic," but are the same people who made it toxic by insisting on "no debate." That any questioning or discussion was "hate" or "genocide" or "transphobia" and would cost lives. Profoundly, pathologically dishonest.
Lots of nonces too
And almost the first thing out of his mouth was an attempt to limit the acceptable limits of any discussion of the matter.
@@christophersmith3248And trying to insinuate that Andrew hadn’t approached anyone else for comment.
Helen Joyce - legend 👏👏👏🙌
Hero. Absolute hero. Every interview she gives on UA-cam is insightful and fresh.
After this queer nonsense has been dispatched to history's rubbish bin, Helen can return to doing maths.
You can’t compare a grown man deciding he wants to dress up as a woman and not change his voice with a 14 year old confused child - it’s madness!
The Barrister also misrepresented the detransitioner rates….because the gender clinics do NOT follow up on patients that desist, or refuse any help with former patients that go into detransition, so any data from them is inconclusive, to be nice, misleading on principle, to be factual
Exactly
Absolutely, that’s what I was thinking. Although I still don’t think the NHS should fund it !
also the comment that a high pitched woman like voice would not be taken seriously in court, thats what they call a Freudian slip.
@@GreatSageSunWukong exactly…I also wrote something to the misogyny of that statement, but of course my comment has since been deleted 🙄
This scandal is going to make Icepick Lobotomies look minor in comparison. Shame that not ONE from WPATH would agree to be interviewed, but these types rarely venture into the light.
If left to continue, the highly unethical medical procedures on minors in particular with life long devastating implications, will 😢comparable to that of the Thalidomide scandal, a morning sickness pill given to pregnant mothers that horrifically damaged the unborn baby in the womb causing the loss of 2 or more upper and/or lower limbs completely unformed.
@@truthhurts2879 I think this is far worse, because this time a lot of people knew this was not in line with scientific research, but kept on doing it anyhow.
With Thalidomine, as far as I remember, the testing on rats was done with no negative results….so it wasn‘t people putting a drug on the market after the rat babies had been born deformed
18:31 2 fucking AGPs discussing a 9 year old girl experiencing the menopause.
I am off the chart angry. 😡
I wholly echo Helen’s distress.
I too was horrified as will every sane adult hearing this.
Thank God for people like this uncovering the horror and evil being perpetrated on these young people
This is going to be known as this generation's Tuskegee Institute scandal and crime.
I've been following this horrific medical atrocity for years now but still, this was a stunning watch. It just gets worse & worse, doesn't it? Crimes against humanity are one thing, crimes against children are somehow on another level. Thank-you Andrew for this incredible piece.
Me too. It is tragic. Thank goodness we have some news outlets that report on these things.
Another man in a dress telling real women how to think and feel.
A major hindrance in challenging the nonsense is the feminist framing of this as misogyny. As in ‘all men’. I think they feel that if they discriminate ‘against MEN’ rather than ‘against TRANS PEOPLE’, it’s okay. It’s a problem of the reach of an ideology more than a problem of ‘the patriarchy’.
Why are the NHS "professionals" not in jail already??? Together with all the activists who provide "medical" services without a license ?!?
It’s everywhere but the bbc and co still don’t report what’s going on, it’s going to take years to weadle out the captured fools
And put gender ideology displays in NHS hospitals but god forbid a woman wear a t-shirt saying “Woman: adult human female” she’s shown the door for “transphobia” even if she has cancer.
@@catherinerobilliard7662 What's happening to us, people ???
Because it's not a medical scandal. You can google it lmao .. "erin reed wpath files" .. it's not too hard to find out that this is just a coordinated political stunt
@@catherinerobilliard7662 stating truth is only considered a danger by people who know they are lying 💜🤍💚
Thank you Andrew and GB News for giving airtime to this huge medical scandal.
Helen was visibly distressed when she watched that clip of Dr Minah and so was I, that man is depraved, should be sacked immediately.
No one could quite believe the matter-of-fact way he was discussing menopausing a 9 year old girl
It’s such a Tragedy what they are doing to these young people. Thank goodness my boys are grown up and well.
Yes Helen was distressed so was I. I had to watch it 2 times just make sure I was hearing right this is totally disgusting.
Robin is just offensive to women - wants to be a woman but with a blokes voice so that he is listened to - knows exactly why we aren’t heard.
Agreed! He looks more like a pervert or AGP'er instead of someone trying to pass as a woman. Look at Blaire White(who doesn't believe in child transitioning)and then look at Robin, one wants to fit in, live life and move on and the other would happily continue mutilating children. Robin either has no clue how high the regret rate is of children who were pushed into this BS or he's actively lying and denying the truth. If one is an adult, go ahead and cut up yourself but messing with children is NEVER acceptable!
Non-feminist women need to stand up to this. As in more women. I say so in order to not see this as an ideology war or leftist in-fighting 🎪. We can’t have a pushback to the trans nonsense portrayed as a problem between men and women.
It’s actually more of subversion, linked to ‘post-human’/transhuman ideology.
The way that these people react when being calmy questioned is proof alone that they know its wrong. I fear there is a very dark side to this cult that is yet to come out. And then, all those complicit in this fiasco, will surely pay the price.
This House of Cards must fall. 😢
“Doctors” who carried out these procedures should be struck off & sued, parents who were complicit charged with neglect and the promotion of queer theory & gender ideology brought to an end! 🤬
Parents and those who have been affected should be proactive and do all within their power to push back this demonic evil n wicked people
Whoever leaked this probably risked their career to do so and their courage should be applauded.
At 18 minutes, 17 seconds in, I was horrified. Helen Joyce is exactly right about the 'banality of evil'.
It was chilling !
When people come out of hip replacement when they have regret, they are not silenced, ridiculed, discounted, shunned, and not provided with follow up health care.
Right. And even if the number was as low as he claims, those are human beings! Whose lives have been ruined by this. It is dehumanising to reduce them to "just a very low percentage"
In addition to that, the equivalence is completely false: a lot more people get hip replacements than people want to change their gender. It’s absolutely nonsense to compare that.
@@wjdeoliveira3809 especially concerning the "rarity" of trans identifying people.
His 20% regret rate isn't a good analogy anyway. Hip replacements aren't done based on whether or not you identify as needing one, where as with transgenderism as it stands that's the entire diagnostic criteria at the moment. So it's incredibly difficult to justify having a 20% regret rate for transgender treatments.
You would be surprised. When gods of medicine fail, they can treat people poorly. There is a natural disappointment with failed care.
This makes me sick to my stomach..
Genevieve Gluck is a warrior. It takes a lot for someone to witness and shed light on what amounts to some of the darkest shlt that exists in humanity. I am grateful to her for that and I will be keeping her in my prayers. God bless her. 🙏
Doctors, therapists and clinicians can no longer hide behind the WPATH standards of care. They can try and deny that they ever did, but they can't. Let the lawsuits flow and end this horror show perpetrated on children.
Some retribution is needed.
Doctors, teachers, judges, social workers, police ALL need to be brought to justice in some way.
They cannot be allowed to skulk off and pretend not to have known. We did NOT need the WPATH files to see how immoral this ideology is.
The problem, for the NHS, is WE fund it, so WE will end up paying for THEIR mistakes, when we didn't want this BS in the first place.
@@socratesrocks1513True, but we elected politicians who COULD have stopped it. This has all happened on the Conservatives' watch and they did nothing. A few even cheered it on, naively thinking they were 'being kind'.
Medical Organisations - 👉 we rely on WPATH to provide guidelines and "standards of care"
Question to WPATH - What makes your guidelines and SoC reliable and scientific?
WPATH - 👉 All the Medical associations stand by our guidelines and SoC.
I believe that's called, idea laundering.
@@aidananstey9848 it's circular and self referrential.
That dude after Helen Joyce saying "There is an 'essence' of femaleness and an 'essence' of maleness"... goodness gracious me what a load of bs 🙄🙄🙄🙄 I wouldn't trust him one bit with anything...
It is absolutely ridiculous. I can't believe that they can change their birth certificate. That is outrageous. I can't believe it's got this far. It needs to be challenged and changed imo. I don't say that out of hate, I say it because it would be the right thing to do. My eyes are truly opened.
@@craighart9278The Gender Recognition Act 2004 essentially requires public records to be falsified for a private benefit. Lies should not be laws.
How can anyone possibly know? It's not like sexual orientation, where you see men and women everyday and can realize which one attracts you.
@@mightyirish it‘s a mental disorder, just like anorexia
I mean how would you even know that what you want to be is the opposite sex if you’ve never actually been the opposite sex - it’s a fantasy!
Robin White decided to transition as a grown-up. That is a completely different universe from talking of children.
completely!!!!! and he got to decide how far to go - eg not altering voice - but the Tavi-victims were assisted/encouraged/pushed without understanding full implications of what they were embarking on....
I am so tired of hearing “But the numbers of regrets are Low!” In 1985 the FDA started putting warnings on aspirin for kids under 12 because of Reye’s Syndrome. Even though it’s extremely rare. Who cares if it’s low? You’re ok with medical harm as long as you got what you wanted?
If female/male is a feeling, could someone show me the list of "trans men" medal winners in men's sports?
Are there no medical professionals left in the U.S. or U.K. who are not stark raving mad?
Psychiatrist Az Hakeem is fantastic. He’s working against WPATH
The vast, vast majority are silenced by their bosses and society
and canada, new zealand, australia... this problem is global
@@nikobellic570 are they going to say ‚I was just following orders!‘….I wonder?
From a German 🇩🇪
Generally insane in the most part. If you're of age to decide then you'll have to live with it but underage is abhorrent.
I wonder how many want to detransition but are scared stiff to put themselves through that again?
Generally not a watcher of GB news however Andrew Doyle is very much the exception to the rule amongst a lot of the other presenters. This 'special' was amazingly well thought out and put together and did, in my opinion do its best to present a balanced view. A subject that is so very important and one which so needs exploring and poses questions for which credible answers are imperative. Well done, Andrew et al; please keep up reporting on and around this subject. Ideology must not be allowed to trump truth.
Helen is fantastic on this. Read her book.
I hope the WPATH Files blow the lid off this scandal, but people have to care. This is like thalidomide only more widespread.
I don’t know if it’s that most people wouldn’t care- some evil ones won’t- but outside the cult, I think the real problem is one that Genevieve has discussed on other programs about this- it’s so horrible, so dark, that people, ordinary people don’t want to believe it’s true. I’m not defending that- I’ve followed this and spoke out on this issue for a long time and at great personal cost at times, and I’m furious that many people are so uncritical and unwilling to listen. But I do understand that people go into denial about atrocities. This is a version of that.
I’m amazed only 9,000 people have watched this, this is one of the most serious subject of our current time. The medical profession and NHS needs get its house in order, they should be ashamed of following this pathway
The crime of our time.
Some retribution is needed.
Doctors, teachers, judges, social workers, police ALL need to be brought to justice in some way.
They cannot be allowed to skulk off and pretend not to have known.
We did NOT need the WPATH files to see how immoral this ideology is. (although I am grateful to Mia H & Michael S for their work in releasing them.
@@IronQuill-r3rBS. There are primary school teachers all over the place (the typical woke blue haired, nose ring, etc) putting up 🌈 flags all over their classrooms, telling their students they can be whatever they want, and don’t have to be what they were “assigned at birth” 🙄.
Plenty of teachers involved in this.
no word can describe my anger. So disgusting. Such a big shame. All the "doctors and professionals " who involved in this files, they are evil.
Robin Moira White didn't want his voice to sound like Minnie Mouse??!? So sick and tired of men who equate a higher pitched voice (like females tend to have obviously) as belonging to to people who can't be taken seriously in a professional setting.
exactly! He wants to pretend to be a woman but still have all of the advantages of being make. Women don't have that option!
He wants working on !
I couldn’t believe he really said that. “Can’t be too close to looking like a woman or I might get treated like one”
Many trans-identified males actually HATE women, just watch then at protests…hateful.
One reason why someone with high pitched voices may be taken less seriously is because children tend to have higher pitched voices. However, that's no excuse for people to treat women at work differently to men.
This is crazy. Men pretending to be women discussing the irreversible medicalisation of children.
Nobody asked this man if he still has a penis, if he has a long life partner, and if he experienced fullness of femaleness !?!? .....Without orgasm, without giving birth... What ???
Exactly this. We got here by fear of being called a bigot and transphobe. The perverts are running the show
Many trans men have expressed their concerns.. Buck Angel has a podcast. Aaron Terrell and Aaron Kimberley phD are all trans men and have talk shows on UA-cam. Gender Dysphoria Alliance. We are all liberals who love trans people waving the red flags trying desperately to be heard. trans activists like Erin Reed call us transphobes and wont even have a conversation.
And all because it legitimises their god damn fetish.
These men (including Robin) me fucking sick.
that NHS clip blew my mind, how anyone cant immediately think that is disgusting is hard to believe
This is a terrible abuse of children. I can't understand the lack of empathy for these youngsters who are being harmed by trans ideology and yet Robin sits there saying this is "hurtful" to him and men like him.
Banality of evil indeed.
It was VERY hurtful to me when others pointed out my alcoholism and drug abuse and started speaking out against me ruining my life with drugs and alcohol lol.
I totally understand his opinion, and he DOES believe it.
No matter how sober I stay for how long, I NEED drugs and alcohol. I NEED IT! FOR ME! I don’t care that it destroys me. (Well I do but I NEED IT)
The difference between me and people like them, is I’m actually empathetic and occasionally realize when my emotions and my inner urges are trying to drive. At least now, much better I can.
In his mind, HIS mind, he NEEDS to be affirmed, everything NEEDS to be totally fine and not destructive even though it is etc etc…
I suffer from all the same mental afflictions as any rainbow cult member, I just choose to escape, and distract with drugs and alcohol. I’m mostly sober, I’ve cut the worst of substances out, but I STILL NEED IT.
The difference between me and HIM however, is I realize my brain is needing it. My body doesn’t need it. Reality doesn’t need it, I know my NEED for it is just a chemical imbalance from exposing myself to chemicals that spiked my natural brain chemicals.
I’ll never be the same, I will never “reverse” the addiction, it will always be there. But I can think in both areas. I can fully understand my “NEED” and understand it’s still really just a WANT.
HE wants to protect his own identity and his own “reality/truth” because he NEEDS to.
And any person that regrets a transition or pushes back on this ideology in ANY form literally is committing mental violence on this sick man. All in his own head of course, that’s the way he feels. He’s sick and will always feel that way whether he transitions or not. Which he clearly HASNT transitioned medically yet still advocates for this evil on children even though he TRULY has no idea the damage…
I don’t know, maybe he has done some medical treatments. But EVERYONE I know that HAS (personally or through observation in the internet) transitioned speaks out against child transition VEHEMENTLY. I have transgenders in my family and friends. Not a SINGLE ONE advocates what is going on in the slightest… both the ones that regret deeply, and the ones I know that claim (and truly do seem) they are happy, and better than before transition.
EVEN THE ONES THAT HAVE HAD A POSITIVE JOURNEY ARE TOTALLY AGAINST THIS FOR CHILDREN.
Only the truly SICK are. And it’s because the reality they created in their heads (like I did with psychedelics and numbing with alcohol and other substances) MUST NOT be broken down, or else they are left in TRUE agony and confusion and torture. But it’s usually temporary if you change when you realize your beliefs are wack.
Sorry for the long rambling comment.
You know exactly why he supports this. If he’s GENUINE and really believes we NEED this for children, you do understand why he takes this position. And if it’s not his perceived NEED and false reality bubble at risk of implosion, then he his quite literally a malevolent predator/sadist/narcissist.
I find MOST men who transition are highly narcissistic, while MIST women who transition have bipolar or borderline personality disorders.
And the autistic are all at HUGE risk of confusion and coercion.
If you don’t know about Chloe Cole, go check HER out, what a beautiful, intelligent, STRONG and SOLID woman she turned out to be, even with no breasts and quite a bit of internal damage.
I’m no where near as strong as that young woman.
@@christopherkucia1071 This was one of the most insightful things I've heard on the subject. You should make it it's own comment instead of just a reply, more people could take something from it.
It’s just sick so sick all of it! God help the children.
It is shameful that the easiest ‘test’ to finally decide this matter hasn’t been properly done. If going through puberty resolves the problem in a significant number of children then it would be criminal to block puberty.
It's shocking that as far as I can see the BBC have completely ignored this story, I mean, even the woefully awful Guardian have reported on it...
I know
The BBC is owned by the corpocracy, they have been nothing more than establishment propaganda for quite some time now.
The BBC are promoting this madness.
BBC are not impartial, they defend Islam and all this nonsense.
The BBC are on board.
23:21 So, not a child, then, Robin. 🤨 As a 40 year old man.
Just the right age for playing dress up full time. 🤢
Thankyou for covering this. The MSM is quiet, strangely enough.
Andrew has been consistent over the years and is being proved right to have had such concerns.
Admittedly Andrew uses wrong sex pronouns to be nice he's part of the problem and now wants to come out like he's on top of this revelation.
I was a HUGE Tomboy growing up. I thank God these creeps weren't around back then!!!
Let's hope the exposé puts a stop to this dreadful scandal and all the harm it has caused to so many. Thank you Andrew for your amazing work 🙏
First Do No Harm.
Genevieve Gluck is the real shero of the WPATH expose - she’s amazing.
In light of the NHS banning puberty blockers for children two days later, one can't help think this interview with Helen Joyce helped put a final nail in the coffin.
Only NHS England did. There are 4 separate NHSs. We still have work to do.
Thank God for this woman. I really want her to come to the US because we are in papa land.
Robin is a raging AGP
Thank you for this in-depth look at the WPATH Files and for questioning the whole notion of "gender identity." The comparison to religion is apt.
This should be shared far and wide.
Not evil. Criminals. Should be convicted for life.
That individual saying there are very low levels of regret well how do they know this has only really accelerated over the last few years and the ramifications have yet to be seen! Children should not be allowed anywhere near this insane ideology, they have no concept of the consequences. What an adult wishes to do is a far cry from what a child can even assimilate. On another note decades of physiological research seems to have been thrown out of the window by these zealots.
Thank you GB NEWS for this.
The continued breakdown of society!
This was very comprehensive with useful, if terrifying insights from your knowledgeble guests. Ritchie Herron is such a strong voice of experience.
The trans woman's example - who transitioned as an adult - simply cannot compare to transitioning minors and people below the age of 21. Minors simply cannot consent. Yet this Robin individual whines about 'toxic environment' (when most usually trans activists are the ones who refuse debate) and also cites unsourced data about supposedly less than 1% de-transition rate. PS: Yes please have Genevieve Gluck back on the show. And Helen Joyce too.
You guys did a really good job on this topic, thank you.
This is fantastic! Thank you, Andrew and GB
Genevieve Gluck has reported on some horrors. 🙏🏽👏🏽🙌🏽
She's a star
Such evil! Unbelievable!
Whhhhhhhhhhhhhhy haven't these people already been sued to oblivion? I simply do not understand it.
Thank you! I'm a USA mom trying to stop this in my small town - this is insane - children need to be protected from this.
Fantastic guests and conversation. This medicalization of children needs to stop!
28:35 "Regret" is not an evidence-based metric of a treatment's suitability or success. That's completely subjective, which is deeply unscientific.
He's not a 'scientist" or going by "evidence" at all. He's going by what props up his existing ideology and beliefs. Demented.
I didn't think hip replacement is a valid comparison. If one's hip is damaged, that's something physical that can be objectively seen by an external observer, whereas trans identity is entirely psychological and subjective.
Absolutely, also, any study that has a dropout rate over 40% is invalid anyhow….wonder how ‚regretful‘ these +40% of people were, since they had to be ignored to come up with this wonderfully low regret rate 😤
They don't actually know what the rate of regret is since many of these patients fall off, quit attending, and they lose track of.
Wow! Have never heard G Gluck give such a comprehensive interview. Her clarity is refreshing. She has dared to go to the darkest side of this ideology.
I love her so much, I wish she was president.
@@julesthefairy88 Geneviève Gluck is a bit magnificent I think.
@@DarkRyeOrganic_Au absolutely. Don’t know how she stays so calm for these interviews. I’d be raving and ranting and raging, I don’t know if I could help it. I start raving, ranting, & raging whenever I talk about this shit.
"Colour to a blind man", what nonsense. You should be able to define what it is. We can define everything else.
Robin Moira White came from a broken home, with an absent father, and was conditioned by its mother to hate masculinity.
He is a misogynistic AGP
He is also a barefaced liar. His own blog shows that he DID have voice feminisation surgery, but it didn't work.
Imagine thinking he could get away with such a big lie. I wouldn't trust ANYTHING he says.
He doesn't seem to hate masculinity. He kept his masculine voice since, as he said, no one would take him seriously quite rightly if he sounded like "minnie mouse".
Yes, one does wonder what might have led to her confusion.
@@TheTeach56 Let me guess here, historical gaslighting, right?
Ask ALL politicians why they have allowed this to happen. Follow the money. Disgusting. Beyond Disgusting actually
21:50 proceeds to use a quote by Helen Joyce as the sole reason why 33, yes 33 organisations supporting the highly unethical gender affirming care for minors refused to accept their invitation to debate the horrific medical abuses going on, then says "I may have got a few words wrong used by Helen Joyce".... Even the very first interaction is started upon a lie.
Astonishing that a barrister wouldn't be careful enough to make sure his 'Joyce' quote was verbatim and, as it turns out, complete misconstrued what Helen *actually* said.
This is very disturbing coming from a bloke whose profession is the law.
If an adult chooses to change their gender, that's their choice and the best of luck to them. If a child wants it, no! They need to go through puberty and know what sex is like and what they're losing before it's taken away from them forever. As was pointed out, this isn't like diabetes where you can have regular tests to determine the status of the condition, whether it's getting better or worse, and what meds you need to stop you dying. Whether you believe or not, whether you care or not, unregulated diabetes actually kills. Being gender dysphoric will not kill you. The psychiatric problems that come alongside it may well make you suicidal, but lopping off bits of your anatomy and making you sterile is unlikely to improve that. Proper psychiatric treatment and support to identify the issues (although I question what good modern psychiatry does. So long as they focus on fitting you into a box instead of dealing with you as an individual, I suspect very little), an end to promoting this as an option to children which seems to have caused a social contagion, and helping them deal with things until they discover they're not trans, they were going through a phase, or they're gay or yes, they ARE trans and now they're old enough and they know what they're about to lose, is the better approach. Why are they SO keen to make kids sterile?
It's not right that a birth certificate can be changed, imo. And i will be lobbying against all of this. The trans lobby pushed too far, and now people, like me, are waking up, and I will be peacefully pushing back. I can't believe it got this far. I say that not out of hate but because it's the right thing to do.
@@kyoglesageHelen Joyce is amazing on this issue.
Did you also pick up on the pure misogyny when he described the way a voice surgery would affect his voice?
He knows full well he gets more respect in court with his very deep baritone, which will assert male dominance on the listeners…
By this statement lone I am confident calling bs on his gender dysphoria, any dysphoric male who suffered daily from his gender markers would jump at the choice to get anything surgically ‚fixed‘, that made their biology obvious to bystanders..
Since he clearly has no problem with it, he is a fetishist, an Autogynephile…so not a Trans person as we used to understand it, but a Transvestite.
I don‘t care for men carrying their fetishes into the workplace and make any women they interact with unconsenting props in their 4play!
So many actual medical institutions(American Academy of Pediatrics, American Psychiatric Association) have become deeply invested in this ideology. I don't think we'll see them changing their positions, at least not in the near future. I expect they'll be doubling down any time now.
The guy who supports giving children chemicals to prevent puberty really doesnt listen, does he?
Does any other field of medicine allow the patient, including children to self-diagnose and self-prescribe treatment?
Nope!
I suggest that its a lot easier for someone to say "oh, i regret that knee surgery" than it is for someone to say "i regret completely transitioning gender in every way". There is a psychological component, an empotional component, a biological component, a physical component, a social component (probably the biggest one!), where you told friends, family, coworkers, and the world that you are the opposite "gender".
Regarding the barrister, who would want to sound like Mickey Mouse after Voice surgery? Sounds like a fool when he suggests that Voice box surgery could be a reasonable thing for someone to do… but not for him.
My mentally ill son went down this path. Despite his autism and his documented schizophrenia, they turned him into a eunuch. Then they gave him the vocal cord surgery. He sounded like a freak show as the barrister described.
Butchering mentally ill and confused young people. Then putting the cherry on top… A Voice that wouldn't even sound right as a cartoon character.
He's in his sixth trans friendly shelter… they kick him out because he's …mentally ill.
Never forgive them for what they've done... they are the guilty everyone
Anyone else as nauseated as me hearing about this?...can't continue - too distressed.....
Yes, same. It is an evil nightmare.
Every child has a right to go through natural puberty.
PTSD and Complex PTSD from dysfunctional and abusive experiences growing up is bound to warp peoples self image.
The barrister starts with the assumption that it is a perfectly healthy state of mind to dislike your own body's sex.
he didn't want to sound ridiculous ..... jesus wept ..
This is the single best overview of all that's wrong with so called "transgender healthcare" I've ever seen. Well done and thank you Andrew, and all involved.
Don’t you get a feeling that you have to be very careful with this person who has done this transition, don’t you get the feeling that we have to be very careful because they seem to live on this feeling of victimisation.
Even if there was a mystical female essence, it’s not going to be that bloke being interviewed.
I want a perfume called "mystical female essence" :)
If there are studies that the gender affirmation guest said there are about low regret she should name them so they can be reviewed and questioned.
Just saw the Genspect guest was asked about them and gave a good researched answer.
42%
Why would they go back to the unethical fans of Dr. Frankenstein who sent them down the path or regret.
There is a 'study' that claims regret is very low. 40% of the people in the study getting treatment dropped out, and were conveniently ignored when they calculated the 'satisfied' statistics.
It's easy to say 'most are satisfied' when you totally exclude the 40% who certainly weren't.
Also low regret doesn't refute (or support to be fair) the notion that these procedures are being pursued by mentally disturbed people.
where is the BBC in reporting this travesty?
The BBC was captured years ago. It's a joke and needs to shut down.
Another great edition Andrew. Please keep going with these clear, full of information programmes so I can decide what I want to believe rather then being brainwashed with an ideology that doesn't make sense.
Andrew is a hero, I’m so glad we have all these people fighting - Helen, Kellie J etc etc
The trans lawyers transition did not work!
The transperson couldn't define gender identity and we just have ro take it on faith
I was more sympathetic than I expected to be, after hearing "transition or jump off a cliff" especially at age 40. I still think it's irresponsible in the extreme to promote that notion to kids. Getting it into their suggestible minds that any pushback or delay may lead them to suicide may very well be self-fulfilling, plus there's no evidence that transitioning helps in that regard.
@@mightyirishbe careful. There are websites where advice is given on the language to use to get transition. He sounds like he's read them and will manipulate those around him.
@@mightyirish if a person was ready to stand on a cliff because they hated their gender so much, wouldn‘t you think they would also jump at the choice to ‚adjust‘ their voice to sound less male…? If it helped ‚save‘ their life?
Yeah, I call bs on him ‚suffering from gender dysphoria‘…he is clearly a transvestite, who has seen the way the trans debate has jumped all established safeguards and found his moment to act out a paraphilia best kept in the bedroom.
@@wolfhugs2221 Yes, threats of suicide can be the worst form of emotional manipulation and attention seeking. An alcoholic boyfriend of a member of my family used this exact threat the night before her final university exams. Just as alcoholism, gambling etc are addictions that take over the lives of the addict and their loved ones, to their detriment, I think sexual fetishes such as AGP and transvestism (whilst lurking beneath the current label of "transgender") are also, or at least can become, addictions.
@@GaiaBD I suspect you're right. I've worked with ex offenders and am always cautious of extreme claims. They're rarely truthful.
Utterly disgusting of that "lawyer" to slander Helen like that. That's all they have: lies, fetishes and no evidence.
Horrific malfeasance! HORRIFIC!
27:00 An "essence" is magical thinking. It's like Scientology thetans or your crystal aura. It's complete nonsense, and not the reason for anyone to be medicalized.
The circular definition and "color to a blind man" is a convenient - and dishonest - special pleading. It's like saying that if you believed in god you'd be able to tell his presence. That's idiotic. You have to believe in order to believe.
I agree with the basic premise of your argument, however, everything has an electromagnetic field or bio-field according to established science.
That's nothing to do with a 'crystal aura' and it's not magic. Research has shown that crystals, homeopathy, irridology, ear candling etc don't work.
Like religion, believers may get a placebo effect, which is why genderwoo is comparable to a religion.
Non-medical people should NOT be involved in creating policy that leads to the medicalization of children.
What do you mean the medicalisation of children?
Remember when during the lockdowns when the cry was, "One life saved is worth it!!" Now it's, "Oh well, it's just a few people's lives that are destroyed.". 🙄
Look at those people, like cold robots, that is why they do what they do, people are just specimen to them. Delia Morris
thank you to Andrew and to all the speakers who showed up on this panel!
Shellenberger (and GOD BLESS THIS MAN!) attributes FAR MORE good faith to these trans advocates than I could ever muster over a lifetime.
9% of the clinic’s patients who returned to the clinic expressed regret with transitioning.
Now we have to find those who did not return and ask them how they feel.
But we can’t, because that would be unethical.
Is reliability even possible?!
Is informed consent possible without reliability?!?!
Robin is a Man and invested in his own confirmation that he has done the right thing, and he was a grown man not a 4-year-old girl pressured by her mother or teachers and yes pressure stops de-trans same as the number person who leaves a cult is low,
I find it reassuring that law enforcement authorities do not appear to have taken any action in this matters. What is this going on?
Really appreciate you giving your voice and space on your program for others doing the same. It is not a toxic environment if / when there is discussion only when there is dictatorship. I'm going to my library this week to see if they have a copy of the Wpath file and if not why not. Thank you