People have stopped caring about buzzwords and are more interested in not cutting pieces of children or putting them on permanent life long changing chemicals
@@amo2464 no. Stonewall is heavily focused on trans people and anyone who thinks they're neither gender or all. Gay, bi and lesbian people got forgotten a long time ago.
Gender identity dogmatism needs rooting out at every level: education and NHS specifically. It's a religious belief system and has no place being treated as scientific fact.
These are the real culprits enforcing their agenda on chiidren and making them doubt their sexuality in the first place. Without them, they would not go to the clinics.
The problem starts with the concept that a human can possibly be born in the wrong body or that gender identity even exists. This is a field of medicine wholly created out of ideology not science.
I agree. The question that needs to be asked is “what is it that is born in the wrong body? A gendered soul that somehow finds it’s made a mistake?” It assumes the idea of something which incarnates which already has a gender.
years ago before all this started there was a lot of imagining going on... imagine you are a big success for example... maybe it worked for some people but for others it was fantasy. Why not at the very least stop any procedures until the age of 18.
Over the coming years we are going to see a LOT of detransitioners telling their story, already a massive amount but not everyone is hearing them as they tend to get ostracized by the cult when they've finally seen sense.
@@anonanon561 Thanks for explaining. One of my cousins is trans and it sounds as though they are exactly the same as you- genuinely trans. I fear for the easily led and autistic people that are being groomed into this.
@@anonanon561 well the problem is that nobody cares anymore to make a propper diagnosis. The fact that other mental health issues can cause people to think they are trans even tho they are not does not erase the fact that people with real disporia exist. But the majority has other mental health issues and are victims of medical maleproctise. We accept them too fast and dont care to question them and we are doing them a great disservice.
@@anonanon561 Klinefelters syndrome is not an indication that a male is "mismatched into the wrong body". It's a genetic mutation that may cause males to develop breasts, delay puberty and/or not grow as tall as an average male. The overwhelmingly vast amount of males affected with Klinefelter's syndrome live out their lives as male. Telling a male child "This proves you're a female" makes as much sense as telling a female "You have excess body hair, that makes you a male." Science is real.
We are living through that famous quote from Michael Hopf's “Those Who Remain”: “Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.” We’re living through weak men create hard times.
It is not medical people who promote it. It is leftwing activists like Mermaids and their ilk who are spouting this nonsense to young children in school and justifying it as normal behaviour and advocating transgendering to validate their own sexual choices. This is why their were virtually no cases prior to a few years ago when these groups were given a public voice and access to young people at an age when they are ar their most vulnerable and trying to fit in.
The "born in the wrong body" crap is a strawman argument circulated by the GC crowd. No transsexual, or clinician who works in the field, ever says anything so idiotic. People get corrective surgery for all sorts of reasons, but usually to feel comfortable with themselves and to make what seems to them an appropriate social presentation.
It's fueled by arrogance and low intelligence. We don't know what 'trans' is. If you don't know, why the fuck would you 'transition' under 18s or those who might simply be mentally ill.
If this clinic had just been honest and factual with kids and parents "no-one can change sex but I'm going to arrange some therapy for you to help you discover why you hate your body" how much misery and pain could have been avoided?! First do no harm!
Yes, and while we're at it we should teach clubfooted people to appreciate their clubfootedness, and tell those with harelips and cleft palates that they shouldn't have corrective surgery because harelipped cleft-palated people are WHO THEY REALLY ARE!
@@AlbertPaysonTerhune not really because they're birth defects that affect someone's life. A male or female body isn't a defect that needs correcting. It's not corrective surgery, it's mutilation.
It still applies, just not to the patient but to the ideologue who prescribes the "treatment". The latter are getting richer and their ideology propagates, otherwise they would get "harmed".
I feel very uncomfortable how casual Hannah talk about de-transition. These young people are likely to have irreversible damage to their body. I found it hard to contain my anger toward the doctors and therapist wholm fail these children. Also, when Hannah talks about some children are happy with the transition. Have they transitioned over 10 years yet? The peak of trangrender person suicide take place between 7-10 years after transition.
You forget they themselves demand to go there and ask for treatment. Patents obviously are happy to let them. Why are their parents not being also held accountable for not discussing it and telling them to wait until they are older before deciding. Trouble is today an individual's rights supercede any medical advice anyway and being told no treatment should be carried out, is not accepted by a person insisting on their right to choose.
@@audreyblack8629 Without the doctor's help, parents have no access to the hormone blocker and surgery. The excuse of "I'm just doing what I'm told" is not good enough. Of course, there are parents who would go against the doctors / therapists recommendation and transition their kids abroad. However, it is extremely rare. Most of the time, parents were told "if they don't approve the medication or surgery, their kids are going to commit suicide or social services will take their kids away."
@@audreyblack8629 because they are told they will kill themselves if they don’t go along. Or they will have their kids taken off them by the state. Have you not bothered to see how parents have been treated in all this.
Hannah is too terrified to say what she really thinks and what we all know. Unfortunately, trying to be balanced and nuanced is seriously unhelpful when it comes to dealing with ideological extremists who abuse children.
The high volume of de transitioning is extremely concerning, in U.K. and US, there is a reason why in other countries like Thailand it’s a long process and age restrictions
And i think it will get worse because rather than closing this horror show there'll be an increase in appointments to see children who claim to be "trans" Atm doctors can't refuse anything a patient asks for, the service is utterly captured and these kids are being relentlessly groomed online and at school
I know someone who was a leading trans campaigner who had become post-operative transsexual at 21. At 42, “her” depression was overwhelming. “She” wanted to become a man again, and having lobbied and worked for Health Canada was convinced that a cadaver’s penis could be harvested and sown back on. Not only was this completely incorrect, but incredibly, well, twisted. By the way, “she” told me that by paying $100 for a remote psychological assessment back in the day, authorisation was given for a complete top and bottom surgical alteration of the originally fully intact male body of this person into that of a sterile, faux female. Life was enjoyed for a few years, but then the reality that this had basically been an ill thought out whim came crashing into the long term reality of being neither fully a woman nor a man, and still not fitting in despite irreversible physical changes which were covered up by delusional thinking.
What utter hogwash. They weren't giving "remote psychological assessments" for anything 21 or 25 years ago. We're talking telemedicine here, right? And they certainly weren't handing out approvals for sex-reassignment surgery. Conceivably they could have offered hormone prescriptions online, only I never heard of such a thing. What is inconceivable is that a woman in her 40s imagines that she can harvest a penis from a cadaver. And how do you wait 21 years before becoming dissatisfied with your sex change? If you've spent all your adult life in one sex, what could cause you to want to change that, and why wouldn't a therapist or surgeon have detected potential misgivings back in the day? If we give the story the benefit of the doubt, then we have to suppose that this person is highly unstable, and in another ten or twenty years will want to be a woman again. Finally, 20-odd years ago no one spoke of "top and bottom surgical alteration"; that's a latter-day turn of phrase. When people had "the surgery" that meant srs, not cosmetic face remodeling or breast augmentation. So the story is a big fat fib from beginning to end.
It is sad. Also who the hell would give permission for their penis to be "harvested " after his death. Not only creepy, but assumptive. I am all for donor organs ie heart, lung, kidney etc. for genuine not at fault medical reasons, but surely you have to be unquestionably sure before making these irreversable descisions. It's all very well to sue or blame the counselllers or medical "professionals" who allowed this, but their own deluded descisions ultimately led to this.
Have a look into the history of the Tavi, and you will question why the care of vulnerable youngsters was ever handed over to this bunch of Eugenicists.
Yep! I'm not sure I buy the whole "gay kids weren't being transed consciously, necessarily" line. Are we really to believe the commonalities in these kids weren't glaringly obvious to these so-called clinicians?
Well, in answer to the two examples, Buck Angel and Blair White, both call themselves Transexuals and distance themselves from the current Trans gender, they do not support young children being trans'd. They also oppose the Gender Clinics and gender laws in the USA which appear to be based on profitability. So, two successful transitions but both anti trans gender. The also use 'sex' in the correct manner.
Even if some people claim they have been happy with the service it still doesn't determine that puberty blockers, cross sex hormones and surgery is the only way for them to have reached that proclaimed happiness especially taking into account the damage all those things do if not immediately then definitely at a time further on down the line from the questionnaire that declared them "happy" in the immediate effect. If left alone the vast majority of these kids end up accepting of themselves past the age of 18 anyway, so its not justifiable to claim that chopping them up and destroying their physical and mental future has some kind of efficacy based on a sort term questionnaire. We don't do the same over dangerous things like cigarettes, alcohol, drugs, tattoos, living alone, not going to school and sexual activity by means of permitting them for minors and then asking if they are now happy that they could access them do we. There are much safer and less invasive routes to acceptance of oneself and happiness. For goodness sake!!
The sheer lack of agreement from caring professionals should have been a strong enough alarm bell that real and robust studies need to be researched. We should be searching for the results of what has happened but there should be a desire to avoid any and all chemical or physical life changing treatments and find any alternative treatment that reduces pain and feelings of disphoria before daring to accept a child's view on gender that will potentially ruin a life
Interesting listen, horrifying to think/to know that kids being prescribed these drugs, when in reality may have had mental issues or they were gay or both. Either way, these kids were completely failed. All they needed was help to guide them thru whatever the issues were/are. Rather than do that, the clowns running that horror show, most likely were happily influenced by the woke garbage of America and pursued that agenda accordingly. These people need to be outed and jailed!
There needs to be more studies into the effects of puberty blockers. Puberty is an extremely complex and important transition that children need to go through to become a fully functioning adult. I don't understand how adults are willing to give this experimental medicine to their children without really knowing the consequences on physical and mental development.
The parents and children will absolutely of believed they knew what they were doing and that's the worst thing... having been in a similar situation (different health issue) I know how it feels to be desperate for help, thinking the Drs know what is best for you, only to learn really they don't understand nearly as much as you'd hoped. I would be sick to the pit of my stomach if I was one of these kids and learnt they had no idea what they were doing essentially, at least with my condition they were completely transparent of the dangers and risks of the treatments they had offered.
The battle between LBG and trans continues to escalate at the expense of the overwhelming majority of the population. Both movements continually fail to acknowledge their limits and persistently seek to dominate discourse.
This is the way I feel...so this is the reality. Feelings and facts aren't the same. I have someone i know with a family member, that is not only a trans woman, but now identifies as a cat too. This is serious. No joke. Are we confirming this too? I think its obvious these children are suffering with homosexuality. Nothing more.
The left wing activists do such as Stonewall and Mermaids to justify their own sexual preferences. The more you can convince to join you, the more you are the normal one.
I blame the modern model of affirmative care for many of the problems that Tavistock had. Back in the 1980's when I transitioned, the program very much considered themselves as gatekeepers, which they saw as a prime responsibility for them as medical professionals. t was very much a case of sorting the wheat from the chaff, and could be quite adversarial at times.
If your child had an eating disorder and in their minds they’re obese even though they’re actually dangerously underweight would you as a parent or clinician proscribe slimming pills or liposuction because they’ve told you it would make them feel better
Yes gender disphoria is just another type of body dismorphia. Many girls have been sexually assaulted and now hat their body. Many of the girls sent their actually had anorexia. A lot of boys and girls are gay but have internalized homophobia so they hate themselves. They think if only I was the right sex then my sexual desires would be normal. I mean look at so many gay men that are girly or how many girls are butch. What do people think they are like as kids?
At least this lady seemed to know what she was talking about and tried to be fair to both sides. Where I wonder did they get all the medical professionals when trans was almost non existent until recently and then suddenly there were thousands of them. Also there was only one narrative ever allowed which is never a good idea.
It wasn't non existent. Trans people have existed for many years if you look up the first transition you'll see a lot of people from early 1900s and a woman who transitioned who was born in 1882 or something.
@@guggiman7197 plenty of people have wanted to occupy the sex role of the opposite sex. Historically many occupations and study closed to women. Lesbianism whilst not illlegal was frowned upon. Many gay men more to do with oppression of homosexual orientation. And none of these were medicalised afaik apart from the oddcastrated male.
@@rightherethereeverywhere And we all need to keep saying NO MAMMAL (and humans are mammals) has ever changed sex, its utterly impossible as sex is encoded in every cell of the body!!! So-called "sex-change" surgery is cosmetic surgery designed to assist in telling a lie. Which is why there are so many detransitioners who realise they are still male or female whatever they have dont to their bodies in the service of this evil ideology.
Hannah minimises the damage done in her clinic , and falsely discredits historical studies that let us know that childhood gender non-conformity was never predictive of adult trans identity.
why is this woman being so hesitant in saying this process has been sped up all out of reason and that clinicians who argued for slowing down and exploring other therapies before grabbing the scalpel were being silenced/shamed/shouted down. WHAT THE HELL, people?
Much better to watch the 90 minute interview with Hannah Barnes on the Modern Wisdom channel (ep 611) where she has a much greater degree of analysis of the entire issue. Chris WIlliamson's channel.
All you had to do was listen to story after story of young people talking about their own personal experiences. I only had to hear one person say “ the day I turned 18 I drove to a clinic 100 miles from where I lived and emerged 30 minutes later with testosterone,“ to understand how corrupt this industry is. Make it lifelong patient and have none of the pesky business of follow up. There’s an excellent four part series from Sweden about how they’ve turned around their gender industry to slow it down. And it clearly see how slick the corruption is. To create plausible deniability throughout the process, you have a medical part and a mental part, but they have no mechanism for coordinating between the two. Even if you assume - - I believe wrongly - - that there is no mental peace to the desire to transition, you cannot deny the need for follow up post transition, both medically and psychologically. But it’s not done. In the most prestigious, medical and psychological organizations, adopt a strict policy of a firm. Only, you should see the corruptness. Puberty blockers have only been around for less than 20 years there’s no long-term studies. It be minus one of the basic things that has set medicine apart which is the intellectual desire to study causes and results. All this best 😮practice is thrown out the window in an effort to overturn thousands of years of biology knowledge. It’s like we’re in the middle of a Dr. Mengele inspired experiment.
Why is the trans movement so hell bent on having young kids medicalised? Any attempt to have a reasonable discussion ends in a tantrum! Why don’t they care about kids, especially those who de transition, by all accounts they are utterly savage towards these young people.
Please dont be fooled, the Tavistock may be closings in London, but we are never told the truth it is being broke down into many smaller clinics all over the uk
The problem is we need long term studies, that do not only cover the first few years of transition. Also, how can an adult, who has never gone through puberty as a child, ever know how he or she would have fared not transitioning? Children are robbed their own development, many will be sterile and never have an orgasm. So how can they ever know how it would have been? They have been robbed the opportunity to come to terms with their sexed body.
'cause no harm!' sue the crap out of the NHs and those that ran the Tavistock institute! its got to be worth £500,000 to be intentionally sterilised! its also well against several articles in the universal declaration of human rights, united nations! it could close the NHs all together.
I get the impression Hannah is being very cagey with how she's phrasing things. There's a lot that we know happened that she's sort of smoothing over a bit. I'm not sure whether she's trying to avoid the gender cultist mobbing her, or whether she's genuinely come away with a neutral conclusion.
I cannot believe that any young person would voluntarily surrender themselves to this kind of ‘treatment’ if they were told that they would forever lose all possibilty of having an orgasm. FOREVER.
Which is generally understood to be a significant improvement (a) so that more people can be seen (b) so that the sort of things than happened at the Tavistock wont be repeated (i.e., more exploratory approach rather than automatic gender affirming approach as before).
I want to keep hearing more of this. It seems most of the big new around Tavistock is all from 7 or more months ago. This needs to be kept in the spotlight. When does it actually shut down? I've heard it officially shuts down this spring of 2023. Is this true?
We should be looking at why there’s been such an explosion in numbers of kids trying to access these services and thinking that they’re trans. It’s obviously a social contagion , driven or amplified by social media.
The only explanation for the sudden phenomenon of youth having gender "confusion" can only be explained by rampant social media information or misinformation, or a sudden rise in mental instability. Parents need to retain their rights to decisions. What has never changed--forever--is that teens are experimental with a lack of maturity which is why parents must retain some control of life-long decisions.
The one girl I know about who was transitioned at Tavistock who tried tried to detransition still looks and sounds like a boy. She was so upset about that that she sued. How can she be doing that well now?!
Drs. should DO NO HARM. Only the insane can justify mutilating a child. WOKE means oppressors and the oppressed. (1) Men are the oppressors, women are the oppressed. (2) Whites are the oppressors, non-whites are the oppressed. (3) Companies are the oppressors, workers are the oppressed. (4) Heterosexuals are the oppressors, homosexuals are the oppressed. Number (5) is the one I believe: (5) politicians are the oppressors and voters are the oppressed. -- Yes, there are abuses in our society and we should all have equal rights, such as life, liberty, freedom of religion, etc. If an adult human with male genitalia wants to be a woman and wear a dress that is okay with me. Should this human be allowed to enter a woman's dressing room? I say no. Should this human, born in a male body, with male genitalia or without them, if surgically removed, be allowed to compete in any sport, as a woman, for money, position, title, etc. I say no. After puberty males are stronger, faster, heavier and have denser bones and more blood cells.
If the trans community don't start raising awareness about the abuse of transitioning children it's accomplice and the community will suffer a backlash. Be careful. Take away your hands out of the children.
I don't believe that the old evidence base is weak or invalid in any way. I don't think it applies to many of these youth though, because they are presenting with these issues because of social contagion. It was insane to ever give puberty blockers to teenagers. Puberty is too important and should never be interfered with or jeopardized in any way, and outcomes are already showing as predicted by those with level heads that it doesn't work the way it is claimed to by all the so-called experts.
Child abuse? PIE was not considered child abuse at the time. And what about the hippocratic oath / 'Do no harm'? To find some real truth, it is time an investigative journalist followed the money to find out the source of what indicates as social contagion
Not really, there is still homophobia today - so you could be a gay kid growing up in that environment and so you feel (wrongly) that you are really trans when the gender issue you have is really as a result of you being a gay boy or girl and not coming to terms with your own sexuality. Thats where things can go very wrong as the journalist here suggested.
I've seen this sort of thing before: the interviewer (in this instance the UK's treasure Andrew Doyle) seems to want to lead the subject a certain way, to fly the tattered old 'anti-woke' flag or even use these trendy terms-- but they're temperamentally refusing, oblivious to the paradigm. Ms Barnes just WON'T be the the person the interviewer seems to want her to be. Her responses clearly showed me that she's trying to be academic, logical, rational, fair and rigorous in her research and assessment of this sprawling, complex cultural issue. Interviewers seem to want such people to tow the 'anti woke' team line, which I'm getting tired of seeing. Worst, is when the American Conservative Chrisitans get in on this stuff; it's all filtered through religious belief/moral relativism and volleyed at the Socially Progressive 'Left Wing' clubhouse as if there were no foot soldiers roaming the playing ground in between. Most people I consider intelligent and cultured are exactly those people; not part of either cartoonish Americanised 'team'. What is going on with our species? Are we getting stupider and simpler?! Either way, Ms Barnes just refused to be the person Doyle and so many others assumed she'd be, going by the questions continually rephrased and asked of her over and over.
Maybe to some extent, but she said the girl had detransitioned and was doing really well. As far as I know she still looks and sounds like a boy and was so upset about that that she sued! Doesn’t seem that accurate to me.
@@lh2435 It's desperately sad to behold these unstable, lost, mentally agonised teens and young folks being marshalled through this pathway so hastily instead of having a far more holistic, tailored, thorough type of therapy that addresses their own unique angst and confusion. I hope a great deal more of them sue, as you said. I also hope that more come out of the woodwork to talk generously and candidly about their experience. That's of far more value to me than listening to the strident theorising and never-ending thought experiments from over-exposed gasbagging American academics and ideologues. The mentally unwell have been horribly neglected and used in our era, it's them I feel for.
Same sex attracted is amazing, says a lifelong 50 something lesbian. These kids need more gay and lesbian role models not celebrity's coming out as bloody non binary.
ANYONE who was involved in transitioning of minors should be arrested and charged with mutilation.
#STOPTransingMinors
Team T.E.R.F in da house
@@MrChillidee any other nonsensical buzzwords you wanna throw out there?
People have stopped caring about buzzwords and are more interested in not cutting pieces of children or putting them on permanent life long changing chemicals
Her body language and carefully constructed 'word salad' of excuses has the look of a cover up.
It is interesting that female genital mutilation is illegal, but all this is legal
Stonewall and Mermaids need to be disbanded
And Mermaids had the cheek to take LGB Alliance to court to strip them of their charity status.
Doesn't Stonewall do good work for the homosexual community? Mermaids is the problem
@@amo2464 no. Stonewall is heavily focused on trans people and anyone who thinks they're neither gender or all. Gay, bi and lesbian people got forgotten a long time ago.
Gender identity dogmatism needs rooting out at every level: education and NHS specifically. It's a religious belief system and has no place being treated as scientific fact.
These are the real culprits enforcing their agenda on chiidren and making them doubt their sexuality in the first place. Without them, they would not go to the clinics.
Puberty blockers, absolute criminal's, child abuse of the highest degree, jail them all
The problem starts with the concept that a human can possibly be born in the wrong body or that gender identity even exists. This is a field of medicine wholly created out of ideology not science.
Aye.
Fully agreed. It should never have been a thing in the first place. it was pioneered by sick people like John Money and Alfred Kinsey....
I agree. The question that needs to be asked is “what is it that is born in the wrong body? A gendered soul that somehow finds it’s made a mistake?”
It assumes the idea of something which incarnates which already has a gender.
years ago before all this started there was a lot of imagining going on... imagine you are a big success for example... maybe it worked for some people but for others it was fantasy. Why not at the very least stop any procedures until the age of 18.
The procedures at any age are an abomination.
Over the coming years we are going to see a LOT of detransitioners telling their story, already a massive amount but not everyone is hearing them as they tend to get ostracized by the cult when they've finally seen sense.
@@anonanon561 Thanks for explaining. One of my cousins is trans and it sounds as though they are exactly the same as you- genuinely trans. I fear for the easily led and autistic people that are being groomed into this.
@@anonanon561 well the problem is that nobody cares anymore to make a propper diagnosis. The fact that other mental health issues can cause people to think they are trans even tho they are not does not erase the fact that people with real disporia exist. But the majority has other mental health issues and are victims of medical maleproctise.
We accept them too fast and dont care to question them and we are doing them a great disservice.
@@anonanon561 Klinefelters syndrome is not an indication that a male is "mismatched into the wrong body". It's a genetic mutation that may cause males to develop breasts, delay puberty and/or not grow as tall as an average male. The overwhelmingly vast amount of males affected with Klinefelter's syndrome live out their lives as male. Telling a male child "This proves you're a female" makes as much sense as telling a female "You have excess body hair, that makes you a male." Science is real.
@@anonanon561 Is it confirmed scientifically though? As in, "we've found the gender identity in the brain" sort of thing?
You will see alot of lawsuits too.
We are living through that famous quote from Michael Hopf's “Those Who Remain”: “Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.”
We’re living through weak men create hard times.
Exactly that. Hard times coming...
women exist, ya know
"men create hard times" 👍
@@Takiki we create hard times too then 🤷🏻♀️
All clinicians that facilitated the “born in the wrong body” crap should be arrested.
Crimes against humanity.
It is not medical people who promote it. It is leftwing activists like Mermaids and their ilk who are spouting this nonsense to young children in school and justifying it as normal behaviour and advocating transgendering to validate their own sexual choices. This is why their were virtually no cases prior to a few years ago when these groups were given a public voice and access to young people at an age when they are ar their most vulnerable and trying to fit in.
Absolutely!
It's a ridiculous and harmful notion
The "born in the wrong body" crap is a strawman argument circulated by the GC crowd. No transsexual, or clinician who works in the field, ever says anything so idiotic. People get corrective surgery for all sorts of reasons, but usually to feel comfortable with themselves and to make what seems to them an appropriate social presentation.
Amateurs decided these children should be affirmed and professionals who didn't know any better bought into it. A collective madness ensued.
The Tavistock has always been dodgy even in past matters (nothing to do with gender) but more to do with false memories.
Both examples of anti-science bulshit
@@tonyhindle9297 Yep. Agreed.
what do you mean? im super interested so any more details would be appreciated!
a global social engineering project
The human mind is vast. The hubris it takes to say you're an expert in it and then start "treating" another person is a kind of evil.
It's fueled by arrogance and low intelligence. We don't know what 'trans' is. If you don't know, why the fuck would you 'transition' under 18s or those who might simply be mentally ill.
If this clinic had just been honest and factual with kids and parents "no-one can change sex but I'm going to arrange some therapy for you to help you discover why you hate your body" how much misery and pain could have been avoided?! First do no harm!
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Yes, and while we're at it we should teach clubfooted people to appreciate their clubfootedness, and tell those with harelips and cleft palates that they shouldn't have corrective surgery because harelipped cleft-palated people are WHO THEY REALLY ARE!
@@AlbertPaysonTerhune not really because they're birth defects that affect someone's life. A male or female body isn't a defect that needs correcting. It's not corrective surgery, it's mutilation.
Whatever happened to 'Do no harm'?
It still applies, just not to the patient but to the ideologue who prescribes the "treatment". The latter are getting richer and their ideology propagates, otherwise they would get "harmed".
what is 'do no harm'? is that a prayer?
@@AlbertPaysonTerhune It's from the hippocratic oath the doctors take, a part of it is; do no harm...
If by "collapsed" you mean relocated and hushed up...
I feel very uncomfortable how casual Hannah talk about de-transition. These young people are likely to have irreversible damage to their body. I found it hard to contain my anger toward the doctors and therapist wholm fail these children.
Also, when Hannah talks about some children are happy with the transition. Have they transitioned over 10 years yet? The peak of trangrender person suicide take place between 7-10 years after transition.
Yes and some healthcare impacts will take a decade to be fully understood
You forget they themselves demand to go there and ask for treatment. Patents obviously are happy to let them. Why are their parents not being also held accountable for not discussing it and telling them to wait until they are older before deciding. Trouble is today an individual's rights supercede any medical advice anyway and being told no treatment should be carried out, is not accepted by a person insisting on their right to choose.
@@audreyblack8629 Without the doctor's help, parents have no access to the hormone blocker and surgery. The excuse of "I'm just doing what I'm told" is not good enough.
Of course, there are parents who would go against the doctors / therapists recommendation and transition their kids abroad. However, it is extremely rare. Most of the time, parents were told "if they don't approve the medication or surgery, their kids are going to commit suicide or social services will take their kids away."
@@audreyblack8629 because they are told they will kill themselves if they don’t go along. Or they will have their kids taken off them by the state. Have you not bothered to see how parents have been treated in all this.
Hannah is too terrified to say what she really thinks and what we all know. Unfortunately, trying to be balanced and nuanced is seriously unhelpful when it comes to dealing with ideological extremists who abuse children.
The high volume of de transitioning is extremely concerning, in U.K. and US, there is a reason why in other countries like Thailand it’s a long process and age restrictions
Send your source for the the high volume of de transitioning
Only 3-6 session to decide whether to make a life long medical patient out of a child??? Disgraceful.
To affirm a fiction!
a woman took just 30 min by phone for getting testosterone .... and nothing more.
And i think it will get worse because rather than closing this horror show there'll be an increase in appointments to see children who claim to be "trans"
Atm doctors can't refuse anything a patient asks for, the service is utterly captured and these kids are being relentlessly groomed online and at school
Where do you get this 'life long [sic] medical patient' balderdash?
@@AlbertPaysonTerhune because 'trans' people have to take the hormones for life.
The closing sentence hits the nail on the head. If we had better studies and more discussion, it would end the affirmative approach.
All you need to know about this is how on earth it was allowed to commence in the first place!
Have a look at ths history of the Tavi and all is explained - N--is and Eugenicists all the way down.
Toxic compassion!
People's rights to have what they ask for!
It's a form of sexual abuse which is enabled by powerful sexual abusers.
I know someone who was a leading trans campaigner who had become post-operative transsexual at 21. At 42, “her” depression was overwhelming. “She” wanted to become a man again, and having lobbied and worked for Health Canada was convinced that a cadaver’s penis could be harvested and sown back on. Not only was this completely incorrect, but incredibly, well, twisted. By the way, “she” told me that by paying $100 for a remote psychological assessment back in the day, authorisation was given for a complete top and bottom surgical alteration of the originally fully intact male body of this person into that of a sterile, faux female. Life was enjoyed for a few years, but then the reality that this had basically been an ill thought out whim came crashing into the long term reality of being neither fully a woman nor a man, and still not fitting in despite irreversible physical changes which were covered up by delusional thinking.
Such a sad story😥 god bless him
So incredibly tragic
What utter hogwash. They weren't giving "remote psychological assessments" for anything 21 or 25 years ago. We're talking telemedicine here, right? And they certainly weren't handing out approvals for sex-reassignment surgery. Conceivably they could have offered hormone prescriptions online, only I never heard of such a thing. What is inconceivable is that a woman in her 40s imagines that she can harvest a penis from a cadaver. And how do you wait 21 years before becoming dissatisfied with your sex change? If you've spent all your adult life in one sex, what could cause you to want to change that, and why wouldn't a therapist or surgeon have detected potential misgivings back in the day? If we give the story the benefit of the doubt, then we have to suppose that this person is highly unstable, and in another ten or twenty years will want to be a woman again. Finally, 20-odd years ago no one spoke of "top and bottom surgical alteration"; that's a latter-day turn of phrase. When people had "the surgery" that meant srs, not cosmetic face remodeling or breast augmentation. So the story is a big fat fib from beginning to end.
It is sad. Also who the hell would give permission for their penis to be "harvested " after his death. Not only creepy, but assumptive. I am all for donor organs ie heart, lung, kidney etc. for genuine not at fault medical reasons, but surely you have to be unquestionably sure before making these irreversable descisions. It's all very well to sue or blame the counselllers or medical "professionals" who allowed this, but their own deluded descisions ultimately led to this.
“Exploratory talking therapy is not conversion therapy.”
Rather than offering minors physical transitioning, assess them properly and offer counselling first!
No, stay clear of those because they aren't trustworthy, a bunch of woke mind virus spreaders.
For a deeper understanding of what’s going on watch the Jordan Peterson imterview with 17 year old detransitioner Chloe Cole.
Have a look into the history of the Tavi, and you will question why the care of vulnerable youngsters was ever handed over to this bunch of Eugenicists.
Yep! I'm not sure I buy the whole "gay kids weren't being transed consciously, necessarily" line. Are we really to believe the commonalities in these kids weren't glaringly obvious to these so-called clinicians?
When your GP is Frankenstien
This woman downplays every concerning point in this story.
Love your Gryffindor tie, Andrew! Appropriate. Fantastic interview and important conversation for the whole world to hear.
Fantastic interview! So glad to have Andrew Doyle continuing to address this! That quote above about "gender" is really important.
'Those for whom (a *physical* transition) would work'. Can we please have two anonymous examples of MtF and FtM transitions whih have *worked*?
I doubt anyone who has had genital surgery would say that it had "worked". Because it is pathetically inept and not fit for purpose.
Well, in answer to the two examples, Buck Angel and Blair White, both call themselves Transexuals and distance themselves from the current Trans gender, they do not support young children being trans'd. They also oppose the Gender Clinics and gender laws in the USA which appear to be based on profitability. So, two successful transitions but both anti trans gender. The also use 'sex' in the correct manner.
@@maryjunebeddow3664 yeah but the transition still didn’t ‘work’ neither are sexually functioning adults are they
And they both haven’t had bottom surgery.
@@maryjunebeddow3664 Non of those examples have successfully changed sex
Even if some people claim they have been happy with the service it still doesn't determine that puberty blockers, cross sex hormones and surgery is the only way for them to have reached that proclaimed happiness especially taking into account the damage all those things do if not immediately then definitely at a time further on down the line from the questionnaire that declared them "happy" in the immediate effect. If left alone the vast majority of these kids end up accepting of themselves past the age of 18 anyway, so its not justifiable to claim that chopping them up and destroying their physical and mental future has some kind of efficacy based on a sort term questionnaire. We don't do the same over dangerous things like cigarettes, alcohol, drugs, tattoos, living alone, not going to school and sexual activity by means of permitting them for minors and then asking if they are now happy that they could access them do we. There are much safer and less invasive routes to acceptance of oneself and happiness. For goodness sake!!
Yes, like some attention from their parents in the first place or even some practice at saying no to them sometimes would go a long way....
Can you please ALWAYS wear a Gryffindor tie (in support of JK?!)
Ooo is this a thing? I'd love to do that (even though I'm _technically_ a Ravenclaw lol).
@@80PercentScottish I bought a copy of Hogwarts Legacy, even though I don't own a console or PC.
@@Madonnalitta1 That's dedication!🧙♀️
@@Madonnalitta1 certified terf
Imagine being this much of a clown💀
The sheer lack of agreement from caring professionals should have been a strong enough alarm bell that real and robust studies need to be researched. We should be searching for the results of what has happened but there should be a desire to avoid any and all chemical or physical life changing treatments and find any alternative treatment that reduces pain and feelings of disphoria before daring to accept a child's view on gender that will potentially ruin a life
Interesting listen, horrifying to think/to know that kids being prescribed these drugs, when in reality may have had mental issues or they were gay or both. Either way, these kids were completely failed. All they needed was help to guide them thru whatever the issues were/are. Rather than do that, the clowns running that horror show, most likely were happily influenced by the woke garbage of America and pursued that agenda accordingly.
These people need to be outed and jailed!
No child is born in the wrong body
There needs to be more studies into the effects of puberty blockers. Puberty is an extremely complex and important transition that children need to go through to become a fully functioning adult. I don't understand how adults are willing to give this experimental medicine to their children without really knowing the consequences on physical and mental development.
The parents and children will absolutely of believed they knew what they were doing and that's the worst thing... having been in a similar situation (different health issue) I know how it feels to be desperate for help, thinking the Drs know what is best for you, only to learn really they don't understand nearly as much as you'd hoped. I would be sick to the pit of my stomach if I was one of these kids and learnt they had no idea what they were doing essentially, at least with my condition they were completely transparent of the dangers and risks of the treatments they had offered.
It's not even just about sexual development, puberty is so important for bone changes and all sorts
The battle between LBG and trans continues to escalate at the expense of the overwhelming majority of the population. Both movements continually fail to acknowledge their limits and persistently seek to dominate discourse.
*Read Julian Henley's book, "The Gender Reassignment of Children".*
Let kids diagnose themselves and do whatever they want. What could go wrong?
This is the way I feel...so this is the reality. Feelings and facts aren't the same. I have someone i know with a family member, that is not only a trans woman, but now identifies as a cat too. This is serious. No joke. Are we confirming this too? I think its obvious these children are suffering with homosexuality. Nothing more.
When did they start teaching gender theory to school children l wonder🤔
They don't. Children have access to the Internet boomer.
@@guggiman7197 oh but they do! Look up Safe Schools Alliance
The left wing activists do such as Stonewall and Mermaids to justify their own sexual preferences. The more you can convince to join you, the more you are the normal one.
1.5% of people in the uk identify as LGBT+ do we have a tail wagging a dog.?
The T+++ is not part of the LGB!
Glad it is going.
I blame the modern model of affirmative care for many of the problems that Tavistock had. Back in the 1980's when I transitioned, the program very much considered themselves as gatekeepers, which they saw as a prime responsibility for them as medical professionals. t was very much a case of sorting the wheat from the chaff, and could be quite adversarial at times.
If your child had an eating disorder and in their minds they’re obese even though they’re actually dangerously underweight would you as a parent or clinician proscribe slimming pills or liposuction because they’ve told you it would make them feel better
perfect comparison 👍
If their parents were morons then i guess so.
Yes gender disphoria is just another type of body dismorphia. Many girls have been sexually assaulted and now hat their body. Many of the girls sent their actually had anorexia. A lot of boys and girls are gay but have internalized homophobia so they hate themselves. They think if only I was the right sex then my sexual desires would be normal. I mean look at so many gay men that are girly or how many girls are butch. What do people think they are like as kids?
HOW IS IT POSSIBLE TO FEEL MALE OR FEMALE 😂
Absolutely. 8 billion humans. 8 billion different ways to feel.
@@LH-kr4od male and female biological terms not feelings
Sexist stereotypes
At least this lady seemed to know what she was talking about and tried to be fair to both sides. Where I wonder did they get all the medical professionals when trans was almost non existent until recently and then suddenly there were thousands of them. Also there was only one narrative ever allowed which is never a good idea.
"Both sides"? You need to have a look at the history of the Tavistock clinic. Eugenics all the way down.
It wasn't non existent. Trans people have existed for many years if you look up the first transition you'll see a lot of people from early 1900s and a woman who transitioned who was born in 1882 or something.
@@guggiman7197 plenty of people have wanted to occupy the sex role of the opposite sex. Historically many occupations and study closed to women. Lesbianism whilst not illlegal was frowned upon. Many gay men more to do with oppression of homosexual orientation. And none of these were medicalised afaik apart from the oddcastrated male.
@@rightherethereeverywhere And we all need to keep saying NO MAMMAL (and humans are mammals) has ever changed sex, its utterly impossible as sex is encoded in every cell of the body!!! So-called "sex-change" surgery is cosmetic surgery designed to assist in telling a lie. Which is why there are so many detransitioners who realise they are still male or female whatever they have dont to their bodies in the service of this evil ideology.
@@rightherethereeverywhere There aren't trans. The more you enable their fetish and illness, the worse it gets. Don't acknowledge them.
Is the GIDS *REALLY* closing within the next few week? We'll believe it when we see it.
Very good. Closing is the right Signal.
they’ve since opened up numerous ‘regional centres’
@@lw1zfog that is very unfortunate.
Hannah minimises the damage done in her clinic , and falsely discredits historical studies that let us know that childhood gender non-conformity was never predictive of adult trans identity.
Notice how they say 'clinician' and not 'doctor'.
What IS "trans"?
How can a clinician reasonably agree that anyone could have the wrong body?
why is this woman being so hesitant in saying this process has been sped up all out of reason and that clinicians who argued for slowing down and exploring other therapies before grabbing the scalpel were being silenced/shamed/shouted down. WHAT THE HELL, people?
We need to understand the link between Mental Health and Autism in children and young people. We are letting these people down.
The emperor has no clothes on….
Are we awake yet🕊
Real question.. how do we help these people get serious help for their trauma?
With trauma informed therapy.
Thank goodness it’s closing…let children be just that, til they are of an age to know what they want!
Much better to watch the 90 minute interview with Hannah Barnes on the Modern Wisdom channel (ep 611) where she has a much greater degree of analysis of the entire issue.
Chris WIlliamson's channel.
Big surprise that affirming insanity doesn’t work.
All you had to do was listen to story after story of young people talking about their own personal experiences.
I only had to hear one person say “ the day I turned 18 I drove to a clinic 100 miles from where I lived and emerged 30 minutes later with testosterone,“ to understand how corrupt this industry is.
Make it lifelong patient and have none of the pesky business of follow up.
There’s an excellent four part series from Sweden about how they’ve turned around their gender industry to slow it down. And it clearly see how slick the corruption is.
To create plausible deniability throughout the process, you have a medical part and a mental part, but they have no mechanism for coordinating between the two. Even if you assume - - I believe wrongly - - that there is no mental peace to the desire to transition, you cannot deny the need for follow up post transition, both medically and psychologically. But it’s not done.
In the most prestigious, medical and psychological organizations, adopt a strict policy of a firm. Only, you should see the corruptness.
Puberty blockers have only been around for less than 20 years there’s no long-term studies. It be minus one of the basic things that has set medicine apart which is the intellectual desire to study causes and results. All this best 😮practice is thrown out the window in an effort to overturn thousands of years of biology knowledge. It’s like we’re in the middle of a Dr. Mengele inspired experiment.
Why is the trans movement so hell bent on having young kids medicalised? Any attempt to have a reasonable discussion ends in a tantrum! Why don’t they care about kids, especially those who de transition, by all accounts they are utterly savage towards these young people.
Please dont be fooled, the Tavistock may be closings in London, but we are never told the truth it is being broke down into many smaller clinics all over the uk
Not really a great interview...she is more interested in non hurting feelings than telling us what she found.
Must read. I’m reading “The New Puritans” first.
I lover her. Getting her book.
people who pre-pubescent are called "children"
The problem is we need long term studies, that do not only cover the first few years of transition. Also, how can an adult, who has never gone through puberty as a child, ever know how he or she would have fared not transitioning? Children are robbed their own development, many will be sterile and never have an orgasm. So how can they ever know how it would have been? They have been robbed the opportunity to come to terms with their sexed body.
Why do we need any studies on this at all? The enitre practise needs stopping
'cause no harm!' sue the crap out of the NHs and those that ran the Tavistock institute! its got to be worth £500,000 to be intentionally sterilised! its also well against several articles in the universal declaration of human rights, united nations! it could close the NHs all together.
I get the impression Hannah is being very cagey with how she's phrasing things. There's a lot that we know happened that she's sort of smoothing over a bit. I'm not sure whether she's trying to avoid the gender cultist mobbing her, or whether she's genuinely come away with a neutral conclusion.
The former.
I cannot believe that any young person would voluntarily surrender themselves to this kind of ‘treatment’ if they were told that they would forever lose all possibilty of having an orgasm. FOREVER.
Tavistovk is England's Vanderbilt
Several new clinics are set to open
Which is generally understood to be a significant improvement (a) so that more people can be seen (b) so that the sort of things than happened at the Tavistock wont be repeated (i.e., more exploratory approach rather than automatic gender affirming approach as before).
Barnes's halting style of speech was exhausting.
I want to keep hearing more of this. It seems most of the big new around Tavistock is all from 7 or more months ago. This needs to be kept in the spotlight. When does it actually shut down? I've heard it officially shuts down this spring of 2023. Is this true?
Don't have this problem in Russia.
Jacob rees mogg received 6,100 likes when only 2,100 people watching?! I don't think so. GB news increasing likes and viewers?!
Bloody fence sitter!!
We should be looking at why there’s been such an explosion in numbers of kids trying to access these services and thinking that they’re trans. It’s obviously a social contagion , driven or amplified by social media.
The only explanation for the sudden phenomenon of youth having gender "confusion" can only be explained by rampant social media information or misinformation, or a sudden rise in mental instability. Parents need to retain their rights to decisions. What has never changed--forever--is that teens are experimental with a lack of maturity which is why parents must retain some control of life-long decisions.
Another case of if your favorite tool is a hammer, every problem is a nail.
The one girl I know about who was transitioned at Tavistock who tried tried to detransition still looks and sounds like a boy. She was so upset about that that she sued. How can she be doing that well now?!
It’s obvious the science is clearly lacking.
Drs. should DO NO HARM. Only the insane can justify mutilating a child.
WOKE means oppressors and the oppressed. (1) Men are the oppressors, women are the oppressed. (2) Whites are the oppressors, non-whites are the oppressed. (3) Companies are the oppressors, workers are the oppressed. (4) Heterosexuals are the oppressors, homosexuals are the oppressed. Number (5) is the one I believe: (5) politicians are the oppressors and voters are the oppressed. -- Yes, there are abuses in our society and we should all have equal rights, such as life, liberty, freedom of religion, etc. If an adult human with male genitalia wants to be a woman and wear a dress that is okay with me. Should this human be allowed to enter a woman's dressing room? I say no. Should this human, born in a male body, with male genitalia or without them, if surgically removed, be allowed to compete in any sport, as a woman, for money, position, title, etc. I say no. After puberty males are stronger, faster, heavier and have denser bones and more blood cells.
If the trans community don't start raising awareness about the abuse of transitioning children it's accomplice and the community will suffer a backlash.
Be careful.
Take away your hands out of the children.
I don't believe that the old evidence base is weak or invalid in any way. I don't think it applies to many of these youth though, because they are presenting with these issues because of social contagion. It was insane to ever give puberty blockers to teenagers. Puberty is too important and should never be interfered with or jeopardized in any way, and outcomes are already showing as predicted by those with level heads that it doesn't work the way it is claimed to by all the so-called experts.
Child abuse? PIE was not considered child abuse at the time. And what about the hippocratic oath / 'Do no harm'? To find some real truth, it is time an investigative journalist followed the money to find out the source of what indicates as social contagion
It hasn't 'collapsed'.
It's still operating. Isn't it?
NHS now saying it is a phase.
They said it once, then they went very quietly. I wonder what they'll come out with next!
This is an odd road to go down when being gay was pushed to be normalized way before Trans
Not really, there is still homophobia today - so you could be a gay kid growing up in that environment and so you feel (wrongly) that you are really trans when the gender issue you have is really as a result of you being a gay boy or girl and not coming to terms with your own sexuality. Thats where things can go very wrong as the journalist here suggested.
I've seen this sort of thing before: the interviewer (in this instance the UK's treasure Andrew Doyle) seems to want to lead the subject a certain way, to fly the tattered old 'anti-woke' flag or even use these trendy terms-- but they're temperamentally refusing, oblivious to the paradigm. Ms Barnes just WON'T be the the person the interviewer seems to want her to be. Her responses clearly showed me that she's trying to be academic, logical, rational, fair and rigorous in her research and assessment of this sprawling, complex cultural issue. Interviewers seem to want such people to tow the 'anti woke' team line, which I'm getting tired of seeing. Worst, is when the American Conservative Chrisitans get in on this stuff; it's all filtered through religious belief/moral relativism and volleyed at the Socially Progressive 'Left Wing' clubhouse as if there were no foot soldiers roaming the playing ground in between. Most people I consider intelligent and cultured are exactly those people; not part of either cartoonish Americanised 'team'. What is going on with our species? Are we getting stupider and simpler?! Either way, Ms Barnes just refused to be the person Doyle and so many others assumed she'd be, going by the questions continually rephrased and asked of her over and over.
Maybe to some extent, but she said the girl had detransitioned and was doing really well. As far as I know she still looks and sounds like a boy and was so upset about that that she sued! Doesn’t seem that accurate to me.
@@lh2435 It's desperately sad to behold these unstable, lost, mentally agonised teens and young folks being marshalled through this pathway so hastily instead of having a far more holistic, tailored, thorough type of therapy that addresses their own unique angst and confusion. I hope a great deal more of them sue, as you said. I also hope that more come out of the woodwork to talk generously and candidly about their experience. That's of far more value to me than listening to the strident theorising and never-ending thought experiments from over-exposed gasbagging American academics and ideologues. The mentally unwell have been horribly neglected and used in our era, it's them I feel for.
There is a much longer interview done on Chris Williamson's channel. Much more is covered, it's pretty good.
@@adam7802 Thanks for the recommendation. I'll head over and check it out.
"Natal sex" is a much better term than "gender assigned at birth."
I see future trials and huge payouts.
This book got a cover endorsement from Judith butler. Say no more! 😂😂😂😂
Whaaat?!
Judith Butler? Are you sure? Can you give her quote please. Thanks.
Judith Butler should take some responsibility for this travesty.
@@TheSapphire51 Damn right there!
Same sex attracted is amazing, says a lifelong 50 something lesbian. These kids need more gay and lesbian role models not celebrity's coming out as bloody non binary.
"It puts the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again!"
There is no one that has been badly harmed.
This interview is disingenuous. No mention of the 1,000 lawsuits brought against Tavistock for harm caused? What a half assed way to do journalism.
Interesting subject, but she's a hopeless speaker.
trans today untrans tomorrow
I wonder how many commit suicide because they can’t transition?
They shut down Tavistock because they were getting sue right left and center
John Money...all over again 😢