This is the first Madonna song I ever heard. "Deeper" and "Rain" are the best songs from the album for me. Stroking Lucca after saying "Bad Girl" was hopefully just a coincidence 😼
Ok, so this has always been one of my favourites from the album, a dance track, strings, the flamenco section (which Madonna wanted, Shep didn't but it's Madonna and she gets what she wants and she was right). At the time the Gypsy Kings were popular, Bananarama had done a single in 1991 with them, plus it harks back to La Isla Bonita and looks to stuff she did for Evita). As for the song being about coming to terms with being gay - in the liner note for GHV2 , Dan Cadan writes that the song "was about a miner coming to terms with his homosexuality, "I can't help falling love i go deeper and deeper he sings as he disappears deep into the dark shaft". I'd really love to know where this ridiculously specific interpretation comes from. Undoubtedly there is some sexual innuendo in the lyric but that seems like an enormous leap, unless he's joking of course. Madonna has said the lyrics are "not very intellectual" - maybe she made a joke about it somewhere, I don't know. The song is obviously about sexual awakening - I'm guessing the lines about "never gonna hide it again" and "never gonna have to pretend" and "All is fair in love she said", but it could just as easily be about a nice Catholic girl who's discovered boys - "Daddy couldn't be all wrong" implies that she feels she should hold back but the passions are too strong as she falls deeper in love.
This song was a massive club hit but also did well on other charts. Many artists have referred back to other songs in their catalogs. It's nothing new but here, mashing in part of Vogue, doesn't feel out of place melodically.
I'm conflicted here. I'm not a Madonna fan at all but I like this song... that is to say i like the chorus. I like it's Arabesque style strings. The keyboard piano is very club music of the early 90's. I love the 'Vogue' call back. BUT !!! (my big but jokes are never ending) The Spanish sound rubs up against what i hear as arabesque in the chorus. and the verses are musically average compared to the swirl of the chorus. But (tee hee !!) what I can't get my head around is the actual instrumentation. The same thing annoyed me about Michael Jackson of this era. MJ and Madge are monster super-beasts of the industry at this time and neither one of them could muster a real instrument (Spanish guitar aside). Not even a real piano ? Come on guys. Keyboard piano ? Keyboard strings ? Sampled drums ? Grrr... But that chorus... Swirly goodness.
Love the take, James! Insight with a bit of comedy like usual. :) And that's a fair critique, maybe more natural-instrument sounds would work well in a tune like this. I did love the guitar section in particular.
@@mattsnider2667 That was great... real instruments !!! Ok, story time... I used to work in a record shop (a long time ago etc) Depeche mode had played Barrel of a gun on the biggest music show in the UK at that time (Top of the Pops). Anton Corbijin (world famous photographer) was pretending to play the drums whilst DM mimed the song. The next day Martin Gore walked into my record store and we all asked him why Anton was on stage, when there were out of work musicians like us that would do anything to mime a DM song on TV. Martin looked at us and said "He's a friend, we thought it was funny" we saw the funny side of it and left him to his own devices. The point is that Madonna could have musicians cut off their own body parts for the bragging rights to say they worked on something like that. Just sayin.
@MarvinGuatemalanBoy I meant no disrespect. Probably best to read my comments with tongue firmly in cheek. I realise that in this era so many artists were using this style and even if it wasn't a song from this era that keyboard piano (sounds like and old DX7) rubs me the wrong way LOL. Can't deny that chorus being heavenly and I really like the song. I wouldn't call Madonna 'lazy' I'm not really a fan or anything but I wont deny she worked hard. I do understand that choices dictate a sound.
That was kind of on purpose but Vogue was a "signature style" of Shep Pettibone production, a lot of his remixes leading up to Vogue (Janet Jackson's " Miss You Much" Pettibone mixes, single version of " Express Yourself" by Madonna) and after ("Just Another Dream" remix by Cathy Dennis) had that similar treatment and sound
@marvelboy74 oh yeah! Madge's live concert backing vocalists for a long time and used for her recordings too, especially since the Blonde Ambition tour , when they became very much part of her performance.
This is the first Madonna song I ever heard. "Deeper" and "Rain" are the best songs from the album for me. Stroking Lucca after saying "Bad Girl" was hopefully just a coincidence 😼
My favourite song from Erotica album, and still one of my favourite Madonna’s singles. It’s 90’s house and full of references.
Of this song came out an ep of really nice remixes
next song is my fav
Yes, it was a call-back to Vogue toward the end there.
A disco song with 90’s production
Great track and always fun when she performs it live!
Ok, so this has always been one of my favourites from the album, a dance track, strings, the flamenco section (which Madonna wanted, Shep didn't but it's Madonna and she gets what she wants and she was right). At the time the Gypsy Kings were popular, Bananarama had done a single in 1991 with them, plus it harks back to La Isla Bonita and looks to stuff she did for Evita). As for the song being about coming to terms with being gay - in the liner note for GHV2 , Dan Cadan writes that the song "was about a miner coming to terms with his homosexuality, "I can't help falling love i go deeper and deeper he sings as he disappears deep into the dark shaft". I'd really love to know where this ridiculously specific interpretation comes from. Undoubtedly there is some sexual innuendo in the lyric but that seems like an enormous leap, unless he's joking of course. Madonna has said the lyrics are "not very intellectual" - maybe she made a joke about it somewhere, I don't know. The song is obviously about sexual awakening - I'm guessing the lines about "never gonna hide it again" and "never gonna have to pretend" and "All is fair in love she said", but it could just as easily be about a nice Catholic girl who's discovered boys - "Daddy couldn't be all wrong" implies that she feels she should hold back but the passions are too strong as she falls deeper in love.
Madonna wanted that flamenco guitar addition into the song, killer what a song
This song was a massive club hit but also did well on other charts. Many artists have referred back to other songs in their catalogs. It's nothing new but here, mashing in part of Vogue, doesn't feel out of place melodically.
That’s a deeper analysis then I’ve ever heard about this song before. (Pun intended) You should watch the video, it explains the song more…
This is a great song. It’s about a gay man coming to terms with his sexuality.
I will say nothing, and let your imaginations imply what I was going to say.
Definitely for the best!
I'm conflicted here. I'm not a Madonna fan at all but I like this song... that is to say i like the chorus. I like it's Arabesque style strings. The keyboard piano is very club music of the early 90's. I love the 'Vogue' call back. BUT !!! (my big but jokes are never ending) The Spanish sound rubs up against what i hear as arabesque in the chorus. and the verses are musically average compared to the swirl of the chorus.
But (tee hee !!) what I can't get my head around is the actual instrumentation. The same thing annoyed me about Michael Jackson of this era. MJ and Madge are monster super-beasts of the industry at this time and neither one of them could muster a real instrument (Spanish guitar aside). Not even a real piano ? Come on guys. Keyboard piano ? Keyboard strings ? Sampled drums ? Grrr... But that chorus... Swirly goodness.
Love the take, James! Insight with a bit of comedy like usual. :) And that's a fair critique, maybe more natural-instrument sounds would work well in a tune like this. I did love the guitar section in particular.
@@mattsnider2667 That was great... real instruments !!! Ok, story time...
I used to work in a record shop (a long time ago etc) Depeche mode had played Barrel of a gun on the biggest music show in the UK at that time (Top of the Pops). Anton Corbijin (world famous photographer) was pretending to play the drums whilst DM mimed the song. The next day Martin Gore walked into my record store and we all asked him why Anton was on stage, when there were out of work musicians like us that would do anything to mime a DM song on TV. Martin looked at us and said "He's a friend, we thought it was funny" we saw the funny side of it and left him to his own devices. The point is that Madonna could have musicians cut off their own body parts for the bragging rights to say they worked on something like that. Just sayin.
@MarvinGuatemalanBoy I meant no disrespect. Probably best to read my comments with tongue firmly in cheek. I realise that in this era so many artists were using this style and even if it wasn't a song from this era that keyboard piano (sounds like and old DX7) rubs me the wrong way LOL. Can't deny that chorus being heavenly and I really like the song. I wouldn't call Madonna 'lazy' I'm not really a fan or anything but I wont deny she worked hard. I do understand that choices dictate a sound.
Ah, that typical '90's sound, although a bit sounding too much like 'Vogue'.
That was kind of on purpose but Vogue was a "signature style" of Shep Pettibone production, a lot of his remixes leading up to Vogue (Janet Jackson's " Miss You Much" Pettibone mixes, single version of " Express Yourself" by Madonna) and after ("Just Another Dream" remix by Cathy Dennis) had that similar treatment and sound
And Donna De Lory and Niki Haris did backing vocals which also harkens back to Vogue.
@marvelboy74 oh yeah! Madge's live concert backing vocalists for a long time and used for her recordings too, especially since the Blonde Ambition tour , when they became very much part of her performance.