The biggest thing for me was the world didn't feel like it was home to anyone, other than diamond city, there weren't really many towns, my favorite thing about F3 and new Vegas was exploring all the little towns and communities. The towns that did exist in F4 just felt flat and didn't have the depth the other ones did for me
In new vegas it was tedious..... you gotta walk for 10 minutes to just get to that 1 guy. Open but empty. Also really tired of the "generics" thrown in there,,,patrolling the mojave makes you wish for a nuclear winter"... and such. Even the combat dialogue is cringey...
Yep, but I honestly think it’s my most played and most enjoyed solely because of mods, though. I love the story and lore that was added with FO4 (especially the Far Harbor DLC), although some things make me question what in the world Bethesda is doing with the franchise, and I’ve done numerous vanilla play-throughs messing around with builds, but modding it is why FO4 is my favorite. I love what the community has been able to do with the game. I got into modding back when Skyrim first came out and learned 3d modeling when it came to FNV, but FO4 is where I went all in with Substance Painter, ZBrush, 3dsMax, Photoshop, all of it and and still continue to mod the hell out of … the time I have spent modding this game is honestly shameful as I’ve spent more time sorting load orders and testing stuff, but it’s such a great game for it with honestly one of the best communities.
I absolutely loved the fps aspects and exploration. It just needed a better leveling system with more speech checks or build checks that would help male the game more similar to new Vegas .if that was in the game I would have voted it close to a modern masterpiece!
I have to say, the fact that Power Armor is more "troublesome" in this game is a point in it's favor. If you're going to try to sell the weight, power, and to really hammer home the fact you're a walking *tank*, then at the same time also being able to sleep, eat and just do whatever in it all the time without any negatives to remind yourself that you are, in fact, in a walking mech suit, it really makes the efforts in the former not as impactful.
Some days you leave the power armor behind, go scout and loot or light travel. Some days you take it to go attack raiders, heavy travel, and headed Ad Victorium. System could probably use some polishing but it’s alright.
@@SpoopySquid it’s fun for survival too. Most of my characters are “versatile” sneaky guys and so usually they forgo the power armor. But they use it when they know they have to go up against a tough challenge like Corvega Assembly at low levels. But most of the time they’re scouting or traveling and can’t waste the fusion cores or draw attention to themselves. And then I got my brotherhood character who tries to always be in the power armor, but if he gets caught out of camp on a recon mission or something he still has to get out of it to sleep or rest through the night. In survival it makes sense.
Well actually, it would make more sense for the US government to design them so that you can easily sleep with it on since a soldier could be forced to survive in a hazardous environment for weeks before they would have to fight.
@@TheUnchosenOne some of that has to be game mechanics though. Can’t sleep in a chair or wait around without one. Things I can go do right now. And maybe design limitations. Power armor could make you fly around in space and recycle your own piss for drinking water, or make you shoot laser beams out of your chest. But the engineers in the FO universe were likely limited by technology, resources, and politics. I’d imagine one CAN sleep in power armor. Probably even lay down and take a nap on the spot. But it’s probably not optimal. So In game, you have to take it off to sleep in your bed.
The whole detective thing tracking down Kellogg was really fun, I wish you could go on multiple cases with Nick as his partner living out a detective noir story.
It really was. I wish there was more detective like games or missions. Detroit Become Human is probably the best when it comes to that so far, imo. Far Harbor is second best. Speaking of which, did you play Far Harbor yet?
I mean at a minimum you have three quests being a detective with nick. 4 with far harbor. Idk how much more you could want the whole dlc is a investigation with nick
One of my grips with fallout 4 was that apparently every tool, person with building knowledge, and building plan got blown up in the explosion. Like its been 200 years its not that hard to make a wood structure without it looking like crap
Did you notice that you can gather clean steel, but can only build with rusty steel and rusty corrugated steel? Did you notice while building a barn/warehouse that you made prebroken windows? That you have to build beds, even though in the vault you just left(111) there were 8 beds and 4 bunkbeds, plus undamaged storage items, but that you can't take any of it?
@@alanderek1231 If we were able to use the vault as a settlement, then the raiders couldn't kidnap people and steal food and...supplies. I have no idea what the settlers mean by supplies. With settlements raids only happen when you aren't there, and you have a 50% chance of losing the fight no matter how high your defense is. Non-cheat maximum defense is 999. Even a cheated defense of 90,000, usually against a team of raider with pipe pistols and melee, is just ignored by the game, if you fail to show up.
I've never understood why there wasn't an option for the Railroad to be absorbed as a sub-faction to the Minutemen. It solves the Railroads manpower issue and it gives the Minutemen a route to infiltrate and destroy the boogeyman of the Commonwealth. Hell, I could totally see a romantic subplot between Desdemona and Preston that would've been entertaining.
The answer to this is that the lead writer wasn't smart enough to notice. As they say in the writing bussiness, "never try to write a character smarter than you". Guess this also applies to overarching stories with multiple paths.
THANK YOU, my taughts the entire time playing Minuteman were "Why not make the Railroad a spy wing of the Minuteman?" Like the factions have 0 reasons to hate eachother
Lol, at 27:05 he got absolutely destroyed by that deathclaw while having a serious conversation with Paladin Danse. I did not even know a deathclaw could even spawn near that bunker.
You know one thing I really liked about this game, I iced Father the second he walked in the room so I never found out he was Shaun, and I remember being so confused at the ending after I wiped out the Institute. I do like that they gave you the option to just blast Shawn away like that.
I did the exact same thing! What kind of monster would play with his father's heart like that? I blasted that asshole to pieces then slaughtered everyone in the institute. My game then soft locked and I had to go through talking to that dickhead "Father".
@@Edax_Royeauxthe way I see it, Shaun is gone, he died when the Institute stole him, Father is a completely different person, one born and bred in the Institute. Shaun will never come back, no matter what you say to Father
@@ntfoperative9432Shaun can't have been gone if there was no Shaun to know in the first place. For all we know, Shaun always had it in him to be like he was made to be.
In my opinion, I think the biggest missteps BGS made with fallout 4 were removing skills, dumbing down charisma/speech, and streamlining conversations. Those three major RPG elements are what made Fallouts 1, 2, and even 3 really good and immersive. Hell, I even missed having the Karma system! At the end of the day though, I still put like 400+ hours into fallout 4, so jokes on me I guess..
I'm so glad they ditched the Karma system. I was so sick of the games judging me bizarrely on what the developers thinks is moral or not. At the end of the day, I'd like to ask for more caps or loot items from the Triggerman without bounty hunters being sent after me. Having a companion judge me audibly was always more impactful then some UI update in the corner of the screen, telling I'm a naughty girl for shooting a mass murderer like Roy Phillips. That absolute distain and disbelief Paladin Dance has for you if you play the Silver Shroud quest greedy and ruthless is so much more effective.
@@Edax_Royeaux now that I think about it, the karma system for fallout 3 was a tad sensitive. You'd just think about pickpocketing someone and you'd get bad karma lol. It wasn't like that at all with fallouts 1 and 2. You could "acquire" items from others without getting dinged for it every time you did. You could "silence" others without getting dinged for it as well. Unless it really meant something to the overall story. Oh yeah and that companion karma system in fallout 4 was a pain ha!
@@Edax_Royeaux new Vegas pretty much gave up on the karma system and didn't even bother trying to fix that can of worms. Instead it made a better version, faction karma. This way the game can judge you justifiably. For ex, if you recruit the BOS into aiding the NCR you get negative faction karma from the NCR since they despise the BOS because of helios one.
My first run I accidentally went with Minutemen since i hated the Institute - aftter I entered it first time I just started shooting and killed Shaun without knowing he was my son, and ended the game that way
Brotherhood all the way. Literally every other faction in the game is boring to me (Although I think the Minutemen could have been great and Bethesda should have made them both more effective and more Revolutionary looking). Even then I'm pretty mixed on Bethesda's Eastern Brotherhood of Steel. I'm more of an Enclave guy anyway. And no, this isn't me hating on Bethesda's Fallout games. I like their Fallout games, but they sure aren't perfect.
@@CaesarGB man I love new vegas's Mr House's description of the brotherhood of steel he called them a butch of hypocritical technophiles just try to horde technology and play knight at first I was like What no way I love the BoS then I looked at my self a crazy murder hobo that steals and kills for technology without remorse and runs around helping people but the moment they get between me and some cool laser gun or plasma thing I'd kill anyone and I realized maybe he's on to something
You could have finished the assault on the Brotherhood's ship without ever shooting a bullet. If you have a BoS uniform (I think Deacon even gives you one before you head in but I'm not 100% sure on that) you can walk around and people won't attack you, but you'll be questioned from time to time by different characters and you have to pass some speech checks that get more difficult as time goes on. If you fail, the entire ship attacks you, but if you pass you can plant the charges and walk away, leaning into the espionage side of the Railroad
Yeah this part of the video baffled me. The entire point of the mission is that it's an infiltration, not an assault. You steal an official BoS Vertibird, have the character known for disguise and false personas talk you in, wear a stolen uniform, then try to surreptitiously plant the bombs while avoiding people and potentially having to pass speech checks if you get too close. It is a stealth mission through and through, and only turns into a fight if you fail at stealth or charisma first. It's also undertaken with the understanding that unless the Railroad is able to quickly land a decisive blow they probably won't survive another attack from the BoS, so while it's risky it's also entirely necessary. You can also save the synths and Bunker Hill then pass a high speech check with Father to stay in the Institute so long as you didn't get caught doing it. If you do get caught saving them that is another way to get Banished from the Institute without killing anyone. You do need to recapture one synth for the Institute who is a Raider gang leader, which I think is there more to make you question whether the Railroad are really in the right and give the player a reason to potentially betray them and side with the Institute. I agree with a lot of this video but his understanding of the Railroad's questline and the choices you have available was very lackluster.
@@SkywardShoe Yeah, I definitely agree with you on that. My guess is that he started the Railroad playthrough last so maybe he wanted to finish it as fast as possible because he was tired already, still it's strange how many blatantly wrong statements he has in that section of the video
I had a full suit of high-end combat armor and a tricked-out plasma cannon (hidden under my flight suit, apparently?), so when I finally got caught, I just killed everyone. Same for the Institute. The ability to hide an epic arsenal under street clothes has to be one of the most underrated super-powers.
My problem with 4’s main quest is it feels like a long winded side quest. I very much enjoy exploring the world and interacting with it, but the main quest felt like a chore that I kept forgetting to do.
something else i strongly disliked was that the "choises" you were offered were basically "yes, yes but sarcastically, yes but why? and no but actually yes"
None of us should be surprised that the writing for FO4 was lackluster; Bethesda's lead writer Emil Pagliarulo has made it abundantly clear that he doesn't give a shit about compelling or challenging narratives. He writes his stories to appeal to the largest demographic possible, so anyone who came in expecting NV or Morrowind levels of writing were just fooling themselves.
This also is why I'm not overhyped for Starfield With Emil (Mr Keep It Simple Stupid) Pagliarulo as the lead writer, I feel another hollow experience awaits us.
Yuuup. Unless there’s a serious shakeup at Bethesda we should be worried about TES6. With the current writing team best it’s gonna be Skyrim 2. At best lol.
I assumed Shawn was taken during the vault uprising mentioned in the security computer (early 2077), and thus was long dead by the time I thawed out. So off I went, cheerfully unencumbered by parental responsibilities, determined to crush the wasteland under my iron boot. I was level 20-something before I wandered into Diamond City and discovered that my character was still hung up on his century-dead kid. I guess I'm not father material. :)
Fair, but also xD I just restarted the game for the 7th time this morning and they kinda make it a point to look for the kid, even aside from the uprising and such. It's obvious that the people who take the kid aren't in vault tech clothing, which would lead one to believe it was after the uprising and ultimate fall of the vault. Which is also why every one else is dead. Even talking to codsworth the Sole Survivor makes a point to mention (regardless of what options you pick) that they want to find their son.
Don't take that attitude to heart. I'm a father of 2 kids and I love them dearly. However, I had to let them make their own lives. My daughter is 48 and my son will be 46 in 6 weeks, and they are still doing well. But I felt no attachment to Shawn from the get-go to the end.
I have never played through the main story in hundreds of hours of play. I honestly never gave a shit about Shawn or what may have happened to him. I didn’t even know you could visit the institute until I watched this. In fact I never really did much with any of the factions apart from winning the castle back for the minutemen.
From the stuff you hear in game it made it pretty obvious to me it was the institute who took Shaun, but once I got to the institute, something about their version of events started rubbing me the wrong way, the more I looked into things the less it made sense. Shaun ages 60 years but Kellogg is barely unchanged from the time he takes Shaun and "60 years later" when you're let out. What kind of child even one who didn't grow up with their parent would allow their parents killer to work and benefit from the system you're now in, furthermore why would you leave him to attempt to take out your other parent as a test? Why would the institute let their number 1 most valuable test subject become the leader of the whole thing down the line. I'm willing to bet the research wasn't simply taking blood once.... They probably poked and prodded him until he died. Also the fact he made different child versions of Shaun to try to trick us..... Father isn't Shaun, thus don't feel bad for killing him, in fact you should probably feel redemptive since you're killing one of the people most likely responsible for the death of your in universe child.
@@TanakaMatsumoto Given how they act, I would have assumed they took every blood and tissue sample they could, and cast the rest into an incinerator. But the devs don't want the Institute to be completely evil. They want you to be able to join them, and believe you can turn them around. I'm fairly certain the only reason most people would consider joining them is because your kid lived to be Director, and decided to make you his replacement.
I never understood why they removed weapons from being Holstered, that was one of the first moments a few mins into the game I noticed that FO4 was off, something as simple as that being taken away for no explicable reason other than, laziness. Probably cause they had clipping issues with the power armour, rather than fixing it they just take it away like with everything else in their franchises. The story stuff and bloated radiant quest bullshittery, lack of dialogue options (or knowing what you guys gonna actually say, or tone). It felt like a single player MMO is the best way to put it, but after playing FO76 I can see FO4 was literally a test demo for 76.
Yea, I think a lot of that was definitely due to the clipping since FO4 implemented a layered armor system with various types of different meshes. FO4 was the first Fallout game where we could customize our body shape/types in the character creator on top of all the other extra goodies we were able to do just in CC alone. Tack on how we could layer the armors (which make up all kinds of different mesh sizes), it made for numerous combinations on how a body could look. Which in turn, makes the idea of holstering a weapon a bit trickier since there would have to be numerous combinations/mesh alterations of the modeled weapon to rig to the body with animations for every single combination. On top of that, they would have to account for all the weapon attachments/mods for each weapon mesh that was implements in FO4, which makes it even more tedious. I understand why they did away with it and I don’t blame them. I’d rather have a modular armor system with different combo weapon attachments in the end over a floating gun. There’s no gameplay benefit to holstering aside from the “tacticool” aesthetics anyways, IMO. There are mods that add it to FO4 for those who want it back, though. Better than previous iterations for prior games, but I still think it looks silly. Some mods have found better ways to implement it by trying to hide the floating a bit better with backpacks. However, even the backpacks clip with most outfits or look just as out of place as there aren’t straps for most of those either to account for the numerous body types (all still extremely noticeable when crouched in 3P).
@@TwoBs yeah I agree man. I do think that it is emblematic of Bethesdas design philosophy though.. everything just seems to get pruned when they have issues making it work rather than actually trying to make it work. It makes me wonder.. Will we have Rockstar like Sheathing in the Elder Scrolls 6? I know it's small and might seem petty, but it's something we've had in most of their games now, and I think it will be sad to see it go, I remember finding a mod when playing Skyrim years ago, before FO4 was out, it was called "Unlimited Equipment Overhaul" or something, and it actually allowed you have all of your favourited weapons in the Tab to be displayed on your dude, even when sheathed, it would make your character look hella badass 😂 Its just another way for your avatar to be a bit more personalised to your playstyle ya know. I do love what Modders do, but Bethesda need to fix their own problems, they've used mod makers as a crutch for far too long haha
Codsworth is fascinating to me, because the Mr. Handy units weren't designed with the capacity for sentience, and yet his AI seems to have achieved a sort of pseudo-sentience after 200 years of computing. He's unable to break away from his programming, but his personality has clearly evolved beyond that of a normal Mr. Handy. I'm quite certain you could port his overdeveloped AI into hardware capable of supporting true sapience, and end up with a real person on your hands.
It's so sad what happened to him, imagine being just, around, nothing to do and no one around for 200 years, it's too much time for a human to even grasp, codsworth didn't seem to leave the property of Nate and Nora even, just tried to clean and continue his duty, it's the most depressing part of the game
I remember not liking any of the endings or outcomes for people. So when I came across a video about a sort of unofficial secret ending, that I liked I went for that one. It basically involves going through most quests, for all the factions to a certain point. And then destroying the Institute. It leaves the game in a state where all the factions are at peace with one another, and friendly towards you
Deathclaws used to be og every time I used to see one or a tail sticking out from behind a rock I would be so filled with terror and dread. Now since 4 and 76 they are not as scary as they used to be. This kinda sucks.
So in the OG games the first time you run across Deathclaws there's literally a pack of them It's so fucking brutal like you can sneak past them but it's not just like a random deathclaw there's a nest one screen over from a town lol
They gave the fo4 deathclaws too many animations. They feel slow compared to the absolute speed demons in fo3 and new vegas. They would've been scarier if they attacked more instead of doing a bunch of roars and running around.
I started with FO4, and after having heard so much about FONV, I wish to play it. It would admittedly be great if we got the gunplay of FO4, and everything else of FLNV lol
23:35 That's not true, we only REALLY meet Mr house and Yes Man because we need to be in vegas first, we can do a lot for the NCR and a bit for the Legion before ever setting for in New Vegas
Plus, you’ve had Victor following you along and interacting with you the entire way to New Vegas. The second you get to New Vegas, you see Victor and he tells you to go meet Mr. House. You’ve also already met Vulpes. The only introduction that really occurs when meeting Benny for the first time is Yes Man
@@caydjj lol i always tried to stealthy kill vulpes cuz i wanted his dog hat. But that was the thing i always found rather shallow about fallout new vegas like i remember people always using the argument that your decision actually mattered, when in reality it really doesnt lol you can kill every ncr or legionaire you find , be the grim fucking reaper and you enter new vegas and its like hey pal you murdered an entire platoon worth of soldiers and and our entire faction hates you with all their might but how about we forgive all your crimes instead ?
@@owningkoning To be fair, you're the first person to ever speak with Mr House so I can understand that they'd try and want you on their side cause that marks you as special
@@bipstymcbipste5641 Yep, everyone wants Mr. House dead since he imposes some measure of neutrality over the Mojave, and you're the only guy/gal in a good position to do the deed.
@@Newt0rz yeh, just means that those people have their priorities straight. I'm sure everyone would be gossiping about the person who just strolled in and walked into the lucky 38. But it's still funny that you can absolutely destroy the Caesar's plans and he just recites the long list of things you've done. Makes me wish there was an option to say, "I know, I've been quite busy" or something to that effect
There's a lot of quests you can do for the NCR before the personal invitation you get on the strip. Camp McCarren, Camp Forlorn Hope, Camp Golf, Bittersprings, Helios One, Mojave Outpost, you can just about guarantee victory for the NCR before they ever start directly asking for your help.
Indeed and also when I was playing New Vegas my main goal wasnt to kill Benny at all. I even released him in both his suite and Ceaser's camp. So that part was not too correct as well on the video.
the hype for this game wasn't unreal, wtf are you talking about. this game was officially announced until 5 months before launch. the rest was gamer hype. hell that channel with the ticking clock that Bethesda DIDN'T release was a player release. everything was speculation, and Bethesda kept fallout 4 under their hat until almost launch. you fucking people and your blaming Bethesda when you should be blaming the fucking stupid fans.
They should’ve had the power armor been destroyed in the beginning. They then give you false hope against death claws, and displays the power of the armor.
power armour would still be pretty easy as shit to get after that, i have like 4 or somethin frames in sanctuary (sold all of the actual armour on them though since i have x01 on one) and found about three decommissioned ones placed around the CW
@@demonpride1975 They were part of a minutemen armory that was raided. Honestly though, even with that plot hole it's better than most of the other writing.
The Commonwealth itself is amazing. I love modding it up to look great and just walking through the ruins of downtown. The devs also did a good job at putting little rewards for exploration such as the story you uncover in Malden. They also did a decent job with environmental storytelling. It's a great world to explore. I love how the city is so vertical. The ruins are amazing. But the story and factions of the game really let it down.
you missed the part where walking through downtown makes your fps drop to 20-40fps because the optimisation was done by an unpaid intern and qa doesnt exist apparently
@@foreverdm7000 That sucks. I don't have that issue near as much. Perhaps one of my mods helps it out. I will get the occasional frame drop but its not persistent. The only time I loose frames consistently is in concord. And that's because I have a mod that that makes concord truly look like a city that was under military control. It adds so much clutter and stuff that it drags my fps to 30. But I can deal with that. Sucks you and sam and others get persistent fps drops.
Pretty much every Bethesda RPG I've played since Oblivion always felt like a theme park to me, rather than a fleshed out world with actual societal depth in the way the world functions. So many small sidequests in places that have no real impact to deliver just enough of an endorphin rush to keep you floating along until the next little sidequest.
Honestly confronting Danse and Maxson is forever burned into my brain It was night and raining and I was desperately trying to convince Maxson that Danse was a paladin first and a synth second I failed my charisma check I was so close I left the brotherhood that day
FNV will always be my favourite, simply because most of the companions have good stories, interesting NPCs, tons of factions and missions, and of course Red Lucy
@@bitterman7258 i liked they changed the combat so we dont have to rely on vats but as far as companions go Cait, Robert, Danse, Nick are interesting, the rest are meh
For me, in both 4 and 76, being an essentially Pre-War character always misses the mark especially since you lack the ability to choose what your character did prewar. Instead you're a Soldier/Lawyer or just "America's Brightest." Imagine in Fallout 4 if you could choose to be a police officer. After you exit the Vault you come back to your home and reclaim your old uniform/service Pistol. Or maybe you were firefighter so you come back to a fire axe and gas mask. These are just a few examples that was a totally missed opportunity Edit I think one your early points shows why voice acting was a problem: Nate was upset. Nate was distraught. You as the player probably aren't as you did not have any time to grow Attachment to the. Spouse. The Sole Survivor is never your character. It's Bethesda's character.
Agreed. Hell, if they kept the point system from the previous games then you could have your profession replace the traits system. Maybe the police officer finds it easier to use smaller weapons, able to more easily intimidate enemies in combat to make them drop their weapons, but suffering with larger weapons. Firefighter, permanent protection to fire, boost to endurance, though with your past of saving lives it's tough for you to intimidate people. We didn't really need to be in the military/be a lawyer. I'm pretty sure it's only brought up once or twice in the whole game.
I was in fact wishing for the Spouse to leave me alone since she wanted to dictate whatever I was doing in pre-war, I couldn't reject Vault-tec because she said so, as a player who already completed earlier games I already knew Vault 111 was gonna run some shady experiment and when the doctor was trying to rush the speech just for you enter to the cryo pod and you were wondering why the fuck there was liquid like something was melting she was just like ''heHE LeTs eNTer tHe PODs'', when I was saying goodbye to Codsowrth she was already running to the vault without even saying shit to the poor robot. So for me when the character was being angry at her death I was like ''yeah whatever, I'm free now''.
I actually got the “Defeat the Brotherhood” ending with the Minutemen as my first playthrough. You can coexist with the Institute if you don’t want to destroy them.
Kellog was the best story element of the entire game. He was well acted, well written, and felt genuine. A consequence of the brutal wasteland, and they did a great job with his character reveal being after you killed him. Other than that, main story was total crap. The whole Shaun thing was just lame, it reeked of subverting expectations which is a tactic i have grown to absolutely abhor! Just make a satisfying story, some twists and turns are great, but can we lay off the depressing af "sorry your whole family was f'd up and your son is a crazy, brainwashed bastard, better luck next time"
For me, Bethesda not following through on them having Nick in his head is where the story really starts to fall apart. There would've been so many possibilities there, with a choice of keeping Kellogg in Nick's head.
I think the evil Father being Shaun could’ve worked well if there was a real reason for it, but since the goals of the Institute weren’t clear, kidnapping Shaun just seemed unnecessary and him being so devoted to the Institute isn’t very believable because we don’t even know what the Institute is actually working towards
But even Kellog was botched in the end. You kill him, Nick accesses his memories, becomes Kellog for a moment that alludes to Nick becoming a threat, and then...Nothing. A whole interesting and compelling plot thread that goes nowhere.
I hope Microsoft replaces that guy who’s best friends with Tom Howard and is responsible for the writing in FO3 and 4. I think it’s bad writing if the fans have to make lots of justifications for the flaws in your writing.
I actually like the writing in fallout 3, sure fallout new vegas has some better writing but i always found the plot stupid in new vegas and the whole "battle of hoover dam" pretty dull and silly. Not nescearily the dam meaning controle over vegas thats pretty okay but the whole fact that your supposed to be this courrier who apparently nobody knows of you dont know who you where and apparently you the player doesnt give a shit either but for some godforsaken reason you do care so much about the goddam dam and the war between the legion and ncr. I just always felt like my character was out of place in new vegas and my motives didnt make sense either. +in new vegas the story is pretty much the main line in the game whereas i have the feeling that in fallout 3 for example the goal is to wander , fallout new vegas just doesnt have that wander around explore the world feeling in my opinion , like i think i have seen the entire new vegas map but i cant recall ever caring about the exploration or recall any notable places outside of the story line.
I fcking agreed its Emil pagriarulo, Bethesda should have a join operation with Chris Avallone and John Gonzalez for the main lead writer for fallout 5
I went through Fallout 4 looking for a settlement on my way to Dimond City, with high hopes I might add. Only to discover that it was the only one aside from Goodneighbor and a Vault. I often found myself realizing that I was forcing myself to play this at some points, unlike all the previous games or the Hearts of Iron Fallout mod (10/10 would rule the wasteland again).
I’ll never forget as a young kid who had never known anything about the fallout franchise before, saw a video of the quest where the castle is attacked and then the player must strike back and break into the institute, and thought it was a simple radiant quest that is part of the settlement system in how you must protect your settlements, and thought this was a very ambitious and complex game and wanted to play it. The disappointment when I found out it was actually the finale 😂😅
The thing that always confused me was why neither the Minute Men or the synth rebellion wanted to claim the institutes base as their own instead of blowing it up. Like the Brotherhood wanted to remove the possibility that more synths could be made or any other dangerous tech, makes sense. The Minute Men, claiming the base might set a bad precedents or frighten the rest of the Commonwealth since that type of thing isn’t what those guys do. But the Synth rebellion in the Railroad ending? I feel like they would want to claim the base and create their own faction. That would have been a wild ending and would have provided an excuse for a couple post game quests to help them get into their feet
“Who would play the brotherhood missions all the way to that point to change sides?” They guy who was setting up an epic tear it all down betrayal that’s who.
One of my biggest problems is the tension between the 4 factions in fallout 4, there is none. In New Vegas you feel that the Legion, NCR and Mr House hated, distrust and wanted to kill the other and using other minor factions to complete their goals regardless of the cost. Fallout 4 on the other hand does not feel like that. Minutemen and Railroad are just there and at times you forget that they are even there. Even the brotherhood and institute don't have any sort of tension, while the brotherhood is screaming how much they want to kill the institute, the institute most of the time doesn't acknowledge them, or any faction, most of the time.
I assume you’re talking about between the minutemen, railroad, and Brotherhood. Because it is well established and reminded about the railroad and brotherhood have for the institute
@@filecorrupted8540 its not, only because they give you quest doesnt mean its established. It just means they gave you quest so story can wrap up lol. With NCR, Legion and House you had a lot of smaller side quests that impacted outcome a lot. Legion had Silus and spy in McCarran. Well you can decide to find the spy and get info from Silus or not. Hell even in one of Camps, yoi have quest with ranger codes that you can give to legion if you wanna. A lot of smaller factions like Freeside, Strip, Khans, Boomers, Remnants that also have their share of story and effect on outcome. What are smaller factions that can move story in 4? There are only 4 main ones and thats pretty much it.
@@Edax_Royeauxbut these factions have none of the depth, and those smaller factions help build up the larger ones via their interactions, ebb, and flow
@@Edax_Royeaux it does in NV. Each and every small factions represent a well-written group of people, their ideal and their goal. The Kings alone is more memorable than any of the big factions in FO4.
I feel like New Vegas seriously upped everyones expectations for Fallout 4 and made everyone forget how mediocre Fallout 3's story was, Bethesda haven't made a single Fallout with a good story in my opinion.
New Vegas had like 15 years of story writing prepped up when Obsidian started so it doesn't really seem fair to Bethesda honestly They'd done *alot* of story pre-production on Van Buren before the IP got sold and Obsidian still had all of that
@@mitchellhorton9382 but you also have to take into account the fact that Bethesda is huge company with expansive experience in writing for rpgs, rivaling Interplay/Obsidian. When they bought the rights to the Fallout franchise, they should have been aware they were responsible for keeping up the standards of Fallout's writing, something that Obsidian understood and managed to do, on a time crunch, for a spin-off game, no less. I'd understand Fallout 3's story being mediocre, but even after a generation of consoles, and after Fallout New Vegas, there are no more excuses
I haven’t but still have 100s of play hours, the only quality story within the past 15 years is red dead series and the witcher 3. Everything else is mediocre
Dude same lol I have 73d 20h 55m of play time and I still haven’t finished the game yet, I actually got close to finishing it I got to the institute but I decided to reset my load order.
Making the minute men the enemy of the institute would have been easy. If the institute is making random people synths. Then you start linking settlements together, word spreads about you interfering with synths missions. Now you started making them irritated. You get in, then you meet Shaun. Since you’re the leader, he tells you to stop messing with the hidden synths missions. But you choose not to, leading them to kick you out and declare you enemies for defying them. Then again this depends on the institute actually doing something important with the fact they replace settlers randomly, and yk, have a purpose
Fallout 4 is one of my most played games. As someone who has sunk quite a lot of time into it I can agree almost 100% with every criticism of it. Side Note: There is actually a way to make an enemy of the Institute without killing anyone, and that’s by going down the dialogue option of refusing to work with Shaun after the battle of Bunker Hill. Additionally, if you equip Brotherhood equipment and calmly make your way onto the Prydwyn you can actually do the entire mission of planting bombs on it without initiating combat. Neither of these I feel are well-known options, but they’re still options.
The Institute's motto is "Mankind Redefined". A motto with no meaning at all. They created intelligent, self-aware artificial life whose goal is to perfectly imitate humanity. But the Institute gets upset and punishes these Synths when they act human. If they wanted dumb robots who follow orders and express no free will or personal desires why would they give Synths a sense of free will at all? Nothing they do makes sense. The Institute should have created Synths with a real purpose. Mankind Redefined right? How about this. Synths are used to infiltrate surface society with the express goal of replacing them with genetically superior humans. Synths would blend into existing families and deliver modified dna to eggs during sex. The children born of these actions would be engineered to be superior than the average human. The Institute's methods would actually have a goal. The cost is the deception and harm caused to current humans to get to the Institute's goals of redefining mankind. And if the improved children are born and don't pan out to be as amazing as the Institute expects or experience long term genetic defects, all the damage they caused to surface dwellers would have been for nothing. Edit: Adding on to this there are so many sub conflicts to explore. Who in the institute will have the greatest influence over the genetics of their newly seeded humans? Who gets to decide which traits are superior? The debate within the Institute would be facinating. And what about the Synths? They should be far more limited in capability than what we got overall. More machine underneath and fallable. However, there could be a sub faction in the institute who thinks seeding humanity 2.0 is a wasted effort, so they secretly have been improving the Gen 3 Synths beyond their intended purposes. What would the Institute do then once they realize their Gen 3 synths have gained a true sense of free will?
Fallout 4 is extremely close to making the Institute make sense. All the pieces are on the board, ready to go - But they never get put in play. Consider this, it's not part of the game, but imagine that the Institute's goal with Synths is to eventually have them replace the members of the Institute and carry on their work underground. Considering that they're created to further the Institute's research and operations long after it's founders have passed away - They'd naturally not want them to go off and get distracted by the outside world or get caught up in a rogue ideology. Want it to make even more sense? The Institute's goals are real long term - Like hundreds of years out. They're creating all this amazing technology underground to eventually be deployed once the ambient radiation above ground has subsided enough and the people above ground have grown civilized enough to utilize it. They create synths as a bastion of pure, uncorrupted DNA to repopulate the earth, program them with every skill and piece of information they might ever need to rebuild the world - And bam, there you have it. An all purpose time-bomb of world saving potential. Mankind literally redefined as in the future the only pure human DNA is going to be reintroduced to the world by robots and their 'Human' offspring. That's not a lot - But that's all you'd have to do to make the Institute make sense.
Another goal could be, if Bethesda actually delved into the slave trade that should've been present and necessary for the Wasteland, the Institute goal should have been effectively 'stop the slave trade' by monopolising it with synthetics. This would explain why they make them with some level of free will, in order for them to develop problem solving skills that would be valuable. If successful this would stop the current slave trade, saving thousands of humans from being kidnapped and slaughter by slavers, as well as bring some level of large workforce that can bring humanity back from the brink, and back to some level of civilisation.
The most annoying thing about The Institute is when you see them and all their advancements, they hid this away from the Commonwealth instead of helping to rebuild. If Institute focused their repairs above ground, they could have improved society immensely. They're inherently selfish and evil and the worst part is it's run by your son and you can't even blame him.
@@whosaprettykitty5076 I've always hated this argument against the Institute, that they're "Evil" for "hiding away the technology". I mean.. look at the "society" on the top world... It's over run by raider gangs, and factions like the Brotherhood who want to destroy you simply for existing and will declare all out war on you until you're destroyed utterly. It's completely decimated by Rad storms, and over run with ghouls and other abominations still 200 years later. What exactly is the Insitute supposed to do to help? Send out their superior technology, where at some point it will be used against the people? Now the Instiute has to play permenant defense in trying to re secure tech that got taken by raider gangs, destroyed by Brotherhood of steel, and all kinds of other problems? Actually hiding away until the time is right and they have the means, technology, support, and infrastructure, and the upper world is stabilized enough to where it wouldn't be detrimental to the future is exactly what the Institute should do, and that's what they do do. In-fact, I think that's 1 thing everyone who analyzes the Institute is missing. The reason for the Robots, is to help bring the stability to the commonwealth, so that the Institute CAN finally show themselves, and help it. But until that time, they need to stay hidden and keep the future of humanity safe while having the freedom to continue their important research.
Fallout 4 was my first fallout, and I loved it so much. It immediately became the franchise I was most interested in, and went back to play new Vegas and FO3. The ending of the story was a bit of a bummer, but all the little side missions and somewhat larger sub stories were so much fun exploring and completing that I still enjoyed the overall experience exponentially
@@shoazdon7000 no doubt. For example ol Valentine's story felt like something they wanted to expand on but for whatever reason didn't. Alot of people you meet feel that way. Definitely so much lost potential
Yeah the ending is really sad but the silver lining is that the protagonist can create a new family with one of the companions. Nate(with Piper or Cait because they’re not robots). Nora(Preston and McCready). Plus it’s really cool that you can rebuild of the commonwealth after the ending. It’s like you’re living out your own ending slides but I still wish we did have ending slides. Lol 😂
@@Steel-101 Im a sucker for Nate x Piper, she seems annoying at first but when you learn her past you totally get why she acts that way. If only the rest of the games story had well written moments like Pipers backstory.
I love Fallout 4, yet I hate it. I always look forward to having my post-apocalyptic harem farm crops in my stronghold, but I cannot for the life of me be motivated to pursue Shawn lol
In fallout 4, the less main story you do, the better the main story is lol. It is kind of funny tho if you're like me and you leave the vault and then run off and go do your favorite side quests. "Oh my wife was just killed in front of my eyes and my kid is missing? Time to go deliver a beer robot across town
@@RobTheDoodler ya pretty much. Especially if you RP that the player figures out the twist. Best to just run off to far harbor after that and make that your main quest
That's been my MO for all of Bethesda's games. I never touch the main story. In fact, for FO4 and Skyrim I actually forgot there was a main story and speedran them both in like 2 hours. To this day I couldn't tell you wtf happened in either but I can you about literally everything else. Also, 'harem farm crops', that's a new one
The minutemen are the "yesman" faction, IE "I locked myself out of all other endings" and thats all they're really used for. Honestly Nuka World feels like a real faction since they affect the world. Shame you need to get mods to allow you to take over the insutute as the raiders though... Speaking of which, this is a game that needs a ton of addons to fix its horrible story. There are some great story mods though that really fix this up, and its hilarious being the overboss and taking everyone over, or being the mayor of diamond city, ext...
That's kinda over reaching don't you think? -- Why can't I be the Seriff of Junktown? Why Can't *I* took over the Master Plan and Lead the Mutant Army? Why Can't I took over the Casinos on The Strip (no, not just "Implied" in the independent ending)? And the game has "Horrible story" is exagerration. You definitely had play other shitty game that actually has horrible story. General consensus like the story of the game.
I’m kinda shocked you didn’t point out Dogmeat tracking Kellogg across the map by a weak scent alone. It felt like a juvenile understanding of dogs on Bethesda’s part, since most dogs aren’t exactly fantastic bloodhounds and nothing established Dogmeat as having all the necessary training at some point. Not to mention Dogmeat just teleports to outside Kellogg’s house even if I haven’t met him and Nick not only knows him but puts his full trust in him. I would’ve changed it so that instead of a scent, players could follow a loose trail of witnesses (and maybe the preexisting evidence spots) to Kellogg’s movement. They wouldn’t lead you perfectly from one spot to another and you and Nick would have to craft the story together based on their not-always-useful accounts.
Yea the dogmeat tracking quest is stupid as hell. It feels like an asspull like they didn't know how to continue the story or they couldnt be arsed to actually make something interesting.
Worst element still imo is them making Shaun an old man and the head of the institute (for whatever reason), there's legit zero reason as to why the story needs such kind of a twist, since you could never grasp the intention of the original institute head who caused you to embark on this huge rescue mission to begin with.
Dogmeat's arguably also a synth. Ain't no other dogs lookin' like that in the wasteland. They're all nasty and wasteland-y, yet here's Dogmeat, fresh, clean and perfect.
@@Robocopnik I agree but its still bad writing that feels dumb and cartoonish to play through. If they wanted DogMeat to be a synth they should have just made it obvious.
The final Danse quest would’ve been great if it hadn’t broken every time I tried to play it. Danse would just glitch out and walk away in the middle of the dialogue.
Having played FO4 for since it came out, and I've finished just about every main and side quest it remains one of the most engaging games I've ever played. Your video helped clear up plot points I've long forgotten about. Thank you for this video!
You can also get banished from the Institute at the end of the Battle of Bunker Hill, without having to kill Shaun, you simply can choose not to be part of them. I usually just run the Railroad to make first contact with the Institute, and just politely leave there. Of course that means I have to use the minutemen for the ending -- but that is what I want.
Honestly the best ending storytelling wise. Your character having the balls to say, no, Shaun, I can’t be a part of this, and him being so devastated and fundamentally broken by that loss that he convinces himself that you’ll destroy everything he’s ever cared about unless he destroys you first.
Great video. I agree with most of it. Bunker Hill was the moment I knew nobody at Bethesda had any clues on how to make the story work. The worst part in this game is the conflict of interest for the player: you need to rescue your kid but take FOREVER to build Minutemen bases and help the commonwealth.... It is sad that I enjoyed the game not because of the story but the mods (story, characters, weapons, quality of life, ...)
One thing about the minutemen you don't have to kill someone at the institute to be banished for to start their quest. You just have to be banished and you can turn down Sean at every opportunity when you first talk to him to get you vanished or after Bunker Hill. There's an opportunity to do it through dialogue too so you don't randomly have to kill someone
I was so confused when he said that because I've completed the minuteman ending twice without randomly killing anyone. One time it was in the mission Pinned, where if you've become general of the minutemen, they are the ones waiting to attack the homestead to rescue Wallace from the synths trying to take him. Siding with the minutemen here will also trigger banished from the institute
The moment the protagonist was refrozen after Shaun’s kidnapping, I assumed Shaun’s age would be uncertain. The whole main quest was frustrating because the player character insisted they were looking for an infant / child and the mismatch between my assumptions and the PC’s broke my immersion more than the backstory and voice acting ever did. Unfortunately I didn’t even register the twist that Shaun was the leader of the institute because I was so frustrated at the “twist” that Shaun was old! I see now that him running the institute was a good reveal, but the child Shaun ruined it for me… Not sure how this landed for others, and I realize that including the possibility of a time gap could have ruined a twist for others that just happened not to work for me.
Yea I pegged the time scale immediately. So Shaun being an old man wasnt a shock. Though I also figured that they'd make him the villain (didn't know about the Institute when I guessed this.)
yeah for me I didn't realize care he was my son I only knew him for a few a minutes and I didn't really care for the war hero identity they gave me also what's funny is if your a female character you start with whatever stats you. want and can use power armor and other crap its hilarious
Well the moment I was out of the freezer I threw the ring away and didn't give a flying fuck about Shaun ... which was really bad because there is no way to reflect that in the game due to the writing being focused on the fact that the Player HAS to care about Shaun no matter what.
I haven't finished the game but from what I know, doesn't the memory sequence reveal that Shaun is a child and so that image of him becomes more relevant even if more time could've passed?
Honestly I wouldve loved fallout 4 more if it delves further into ideas it set up and if it took more risks. Have the sole survivor be a synth and have the player decide what they do with the info. Maybe you embrace it or maybe you hide it, have a copy of you be a major bad guy, give the minutemen some oomph by maybe having the final part of the quest line taking back Quincy. Brotherhood of steel could destroy goodneighbor and the railroad could maybe have a partial settlement system of setting up outposts where you get radiant quests when you and if you decide to go to the location. You were right on the money though, gameplay and exploration is fun but the narrative no longer grasps me
@@TheRealNobleSixx But neither of that adds any real depth to the game or the abysmal stories; it would have been nothing more than reusing a trope that had been overplayed since Bladerunner, and would have offered nothing more than a few more speech checks gameplaywise.
@@TheRealNobleSixx You are talking about a single line of dialogue where this "question" gets brought up and then never again. That is as much additional depth as a puddle.
@@TheRealNobleSixx Take your own advice and read what I first wrote. Tropes do not add depth, especially if your dialogue system is inconsequential to begin with.
Fallout 4 was such a disappointment for me in almost everyway. RP was thrown out of the window. You will always be a war veteran or a lawyer before the bombs fell. You will always have a son that gets kidnapped. Plus the voice character, expressing emotion that will always be there, that goes against what I want to RP. It just disconnected me so much. I was playing Bethesda's story, not making my own. It worked for Mass Effect, The Witcher, because they had defined characters that those people could be. But Fallout is just too open to do the same thing as those games. Because if you want to RP as a nice guy, you will have to go looking for your son as it contradicts your playthrough if you don't, but if you want to play as an asshole, there's not many options for that either. They honestly could've saved themselves so much work by just thinking of a reason like FNV with being a courier. You ended up in a situation that will drive you forward or not. That's RP, I swear they need to host more games of D&D to try and remember what makes RPG's so great. Games have gotten distracted with the term 'RPG-elements' which just means you've got a leveling systems. But that isn't what makes RPG's, it seems the industry has forgotten.
Player character needs more variety in motivation. Family needs to be taken away. I think the house sequence should be how you describe your character. Your choices then change who is “unfrozen” or killed before you wake up in the main game. Examples: Choose to have spouse and child? They should be pulling in any minute from a run to valu-mart. Same sequence from the time you run to bunker. Negative version it is found out you are cheating with the neighbor. Bachelors could establish a scene where they stop by a neighbors house they are romantically engaged with. You could also do a negative karma version where they have a spouse, making you sort of a scumbag. Much more than that would be a lot to do. Already sets up five slightly separate starting paths, including a fifth path that is more neutral and streamlined. If you want to really care about your family and be a good person, you can run right off after a clue. If you want to not care about anyone but yourself, also fine. With room in-between. This would all work best with the fate of your family not being certain until you choose to pursue it. Unless you either know exactly what to do or run straight to objectives it will be a while until you get to the big plot reveal that your kid (who loves you) or your neighbors kid (who hates you for cheating) is in charge of the institute. It would also make MUCH more senSe if the kid is NOT a stupid little infant. Early Teens with references to them being good at science makes some sense, instead of them just inexplicably being in charge. Could go on, but I think from there the rest of the game doesn’t need to be changed. The main questline can work just about the same. I don’t think anyone else ever gives a shit about you and your family.
Not quite accurate. I mean, you will always be [Insert Occupation Here] in any RPG. You will always going to do [Insert ultimate Quests here (Kill Benny, Get GECK, Kill The Master, ] in any RPG. Fallout 4 fails to deliver the Illusion of choices like in New Vegas for example, 2-3 Skill/Speech Checks to do the exact same thing or to get the same information or extra piece of dialogue that ultimately did nothing.
@@IMBREISGAU I think you missed my point a little, but I agree. You have that because that's a product of games needing to give players purpose. To increase appeal, Which a lot of players need to push them in the world. Which isn't a bad thing, but for me good RPG's vs bad RPG's is how far can I distance myself from [insert occupation here] role. FNV has limits for sure, but also pretty crazy the different things you can do, given the time it was made and why good writing is super important. Why I use FNV as a good example is because I can distance myself from being a courier. Also there's so many reasons and characters types that fit into that role, I could've been doing a week or years, my brother gave me a tip of someone making a grand delivery with a lot of caps involved. Maybe I stole the chip. Maybe I killed the courier that came before. Plus the occupation or having something to call the player also helps with writing, the NPC's can't call you by the characters name, so they have to think of ways in which a character in world would call you. But that's where the creativity comes in. I would LOVE a game to release that didn't have any set up and just dropped you into the world full of lore quests and said 'figure it out who you want to be', I think a lot of people are hungry for an RPG like that. The appeal of D&D is you're limited by your imagination with your set up, Skyrim with mods you can really make something special, the amount of possibilities for RP is insane. It's a shame no RPG is made like that and shows what could be possible. Bethesda has this formula, there's is no game out there like Bethesda games.
@@FumblsTheSniper That sounds cool, but I think still too much set up and creativity best suited for fleshing out the world, I would've just cut the whole sequence and have you start anywhere in world like Stalkers Sandbox mod anomaly. Just exploring the world and interacting with factions and such. This is more simulation territory, which I think RPG's thrive in. But then we blur what an RPG is, which if we take D&D as the reference when we talk about RPG's it fits very well with what you can do in immersive sim games or the game Project Zomboid which is great for RP. That said I've noticed I gravitate towards games that don't sell well so maybe I'm wrong in what makes a 'good' game meaning a game that amasses a vast quantity of people's attention and purchase. But I'm just being grumpy that FO4 didn't meet my expectations and I don't hate on anyone that likes that game, I really wish I could also, things are better when you enjoy them :P But yeah man haha I could go on also XD
There's a lot of hypocrisy with the various factions in Fallout...they like the things they like, when those things suit their purposes. When they don't, they're evil and should be suppressed or destroyed.
@@xKazimirx and dont they nuke half the commonwealth if you finish their storyline or does that count as just a big explosion and not a nuke let's be real its highly inconsistent at best
Some of the game details are incredible. Recently found a group of mongrel dog at a random encounter location. Observed them from a distance using my weapons scope, and the they acted like real dog, like rolling on the ground, playing with each other
havent gotten it in my game but theres this girl whos about 13 that you can find travelling a lone road with a sentry bot named Gus. random events n shit like that are the best
@@anarkxi I ran away when first time found her, terrified by Gus, thought they are enemy, Gus also is the first sentry bot I saw (never knew there's also one at the robotic scrapyard that time)
something that the Minutemen could've been used for was altering the Institute story line. No mattering what path you choose Shaun sees the Wasteland as this abominable realm of despair and chaos. however if Bethesda were competent at writing they could've made it so the Minutemen could change his mind. you do enough quests for them that unite settlements, clearing out raider and mutant camps to populate them with civil people and perhaps all of that could make it so Shaun sees the Wasteland as this flourishing beacon of hope. and after seeing all of this, he would wish to help the people of the Commonwealth and your quests within the Institute would be based around creating new facilities in the Commonwealth that would give benefits to cities, towns, and settlements. or maybe even settling political and civil unrest. perhaps you can do missions that involve settling the paranoia surrounding synths and abductions. there could've been so much more potential revolving around the Minutement, and considering how small and insignificant they seem at first glance, a person avoiding them or just refusing to help them would make sense because nobody expects such a small faction to be able to make such a large difference.
Interesting idea - what you are hitting here is what the video notes, namely the story is very linear and your choices just don't seem to matter. What should have been done was a bunch of potentially intertwining branches that can have different results.
Interesting indeed, maybe they should’ve made him a little younger aswell. The old man thing is weird. It might have been more interesting to come across a younger Shaun who has only just become leader dealing with all the politics of people who feel like they should’ve been. And if you can convince Shaun to change his ways a civil war breaks out in the institute. Only problem is the brotherhood though they wouldn’t just let the institute slide
I think the minutemen story would be improved by adding more variety in settlement building. Maybe have a few unique missions for each settlement to help get them up and running and once these were done and the settlement was built to a certain point it had an impact on the surrounding area. I also think the minutemen/institute rivalry could have started with 1 or multiple synths taking refuge at one of the settlements which the institute attack. Potentially a mission which could be part of both factions storylines.
if the railroad fit more of an infiltration mindset, where to gain standing and their end you had to fulfil side objectives while doing the BoS & Institute quests it would have been a good plot, such as getting elder maxson assassinator to throw the BoS out of wack while sabotaging the reactor for the institute
There is one logical way for the minutemen to side against the institute. You can do the battle of bunker hill for the institute (free the synths against Shaun’s will) and quit the faction once he questions you.
I sided with the Minutemen, they are my favourite faction amongst the four, but I don’t recall the institute attacking me, nor why I had to invade the institute as the Minutemen. It was the Brotherhood who attacked me, which where laughably easy because the Castle was my main settlement.
@@Wookie_oo7 They attack you after you get a certain number of settlements. Remember they want to keep the commonwealth divided, and a strong Sole Survivor clearing out the wasteland and untied settlements is the thing they fear most. Especially with you having inside knowledge about how they operate. But if you haven't seen the mission where they attack, just UA-cam "defend the castle".
3:05 I've always found the voice acting and mediocore because it just detaches you from the character really sure the preformance in the dead wife moment works but I don't care about generic spouse number 335 and then his comments about the roaches and the like are intrusive 16:00 But the dogmeat bit is a bit dumb like how if you've never interacted with the dog nick whisles and half a wasteland away a random dog hears it comes and nick and meat act like best buds 20:15 I don't know I'd say its standard and very predictable really as its just a primary plot element in most frozen in time plot lines that and bethesda's writing is very predictable 35:00 When your password is the same as your username 37:29 another point...If we destroy the institute there will never be any new synths making the rail road redundant...That and if you are already director man then you have unlimited power within the institute to reform and change aspects 43:20 The only time killing old man shaun would make sense would be when you first meet him and you shoot him on sight out of anger for kidnapping your son other than that context it just doesn't work
I still think it could be kinda cool if Shawn was The Lone Wonderer’s grandfather. It would explain how James is so tech savvy. He would have spent time in the institute and wanted to take what he learned and try to start Project Purity. Plus both Shawn and James are Irish Names. And then it would tie the returning Fallout 3 characters to the Sole Survivor in a round about way. That’s at least my head cannon, anyway.
Fallout is such an amazing series but I totally agree. 4 lacked in a lot of areas, it had great promise but wasn't executed properly. New Vegas will always be my favorite. Can't wait til we get fallout 5.
Good narration, and a fine take on the "main" story. However you have overlooked the true story of Fallout 4. The Silver Shroud! This is the the true story of FO4, from your becoming The Shroud, growing into the role, saving a friend from evil and having a final showdown with The Mechanist. That is the real reason to go back to this game. I for one look forward to a video going on that journey. Keep up the good work.
I recently started playing Fallout 4 and I've been a Fallout Geek for years and I have to say it does leave alot to be desired, but in no way is it a bad game just lackluster. My personal criticisms of the game is 1. The soundtrack is just ripped from Fallout 3. I really enjoy the new songs they've added. Wished they put Bobby Darin and even some 70's songs to add some twist on the whole 50's style, gets repetitive. 2. The execution of the story was so underwhelming. I know New Vegas was a different entity, Bethesda should have took some notes on how that game was able to present so many different kinds of choices to the player to essentially create their own story. Also throw in some politics and philosophy. 3. The main character. Really a mess that can't represent the player or immerse them fully in the game. I hate a good chunk of the dialog options cause I don't know how my character is gonna respond and I hate how most of the encounters are set up. Yesterday I came across a guy trying to kill a synthetic and I tried to talk him out of it but I failed every speech check and the only options left were to kill the guy or kill the synth. Fallout 4 is really lacking in options and I always have to go about them in ways I really dislike.
Pretty sure that failing the "speech checks" doesn't affect the outcome The only way to get a different result is to be part of the Institute, at which point the imposter outright admits the truth and waits smugly for the Sole Survivor to do what's necessary
@@davidhong1934 it probably didn't, but I was complaining about lack of options. Just as you said it wouldn't affect the outcome in anyway unless you were part of The Institute. That was my mini critique of the game though, Fallout 4 is my all time favorite Fallout game.
The weird part about giving you power armor that early is that even with the deathclaw, it's not necessary thanks to the areas level design. It could be a max level, legendary deathclaw and still could have been cheesed from the corner building.
The Institute is my favourite example of 'A stupid person's idea of a smart person' You are 100% correct about all the factions. The game would have been better if they focused on the brotherhood and the institute and how they mirror each other. Which is something they bring up but never expand on.
It’s been a long time since I’ve played, but I think you can get tracked onto the minute man ending without randomly killing Institute NPCs. If I remember right, it’s done by siding against the Institute at bunker hill, then meeting Shaun on the roof of the CIT building and picking certain dialogue.
or ater in the institute questline, they ask you to retrieve a guy, if you are the general then the minuteman will be protecting him, if you side with the minuteman you will be banned
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When I first played the last section of the main story it really hit hard for me, I was emotionally invested in finding my son, and was getting the railroad to help me and in turn I was helping them, however after the battle of bunker hill. I had a conversation with my son and honestly the conversation with Shaun on top of the building was kinda heartbreaking for me, I didn’t want to betray Shaun but I couldn’t help the institute, so I had an open and honest conversation with him, it was just a fantastic scene. After that I was kicked out of the institute and couldn’t finish the railroad quest, Then I could either go to the brother hood(which didn’t sit right with me) or the I ask my friend’s at the minutemen’s help, so I asked the Preston for help, and went from there, So for me the mixture of railroad then minutemen for me was my favourite ending,
Fallout 4 was my first ever Fallout game. So I have a heavy bias towards this game. With that being said, its flaws are obvious. Although I would never as a casual Fallout fan, bother playing the previous entries, just to get into the lore. People like Shoddycast and Oxhorn have already done a fantastic job with filling people like me, who also joined in FO4, in on the lore and legacy.
Dude I thought the same thing but then I played the older games and ruined f4 for me. But thats a good thing, fnv and f3 are better than f4 but that doesn't f4 is shit either. I still play f4 even after basically ruining it for myself after playing fnv and f3
@@TheReZisTLust i would play the older fallouts but ps now sucks ass, the furthest i got into FONV is running into what were they, the powder gangers from goodsprings, and running into the legion at that one town where they burned it, forgot what it was called
That Fucking Virgil quest in survival mode is a pain my my ass! Literally Bethesda thought- “We should make the player go halfway across the map, then we should make them backtrack into the glowing sea for this quest.” 😑
About the power armor training not being required in this game. Nate was military and was even scheduled to make a speech as a war veteran the day the bombs fell, so he probably knew how to operate PA. I don't know why Nora is also able to though, since she was a lawyer, but one could argue that coming from a time before the bombs fell she is much more used to operating high tech equipment than people born in the wasteland.
This is really small but I noticed it on my last playthrough. On the part about Kellogg speaking through nick and the game never mentioning it again, one or more of the dialogue options has nick explain that Amari told him there may be some temporary after-effects from the equipment. The Kellogg in his mind probably faded soon after or something like that.
The story of this game absolutely gripped me at the time. It was my introduction to the fallout universe and I haven’t been as deeply enthralled in a universe since. Now when I replay it I can’t believe how many stupid bugs and plot holes I easily looked past and I don’t think I’ll ever enjoy it as much as I did the first couple times I played through the story.
@@robertdowling4673 I mean, that totally discounts a LOT of older games... Racing games as a whole end up basically gone, so do arcade games, a LOT of casually fun games as well are just abandoned with that mindset... Gameplay makes a game, story makes it better.
@@Waskomsause don't like racing games, a ton of older games, and besides strategy games and a couple of games and maybe Minecraft (although thats mainly out of nostalgia and community) I only really like story games. the story is what makes a game. gameplay just makes it better. That's the sole reason I liked fallout 4. for its story. to say it has a bad story is saying its bad.
Fallout 4 was my 1st game of the franchise, so when I saw that everyone hated it and claimed the others were better, I decided to check them out. I liked the older ones more for the story, but still prefer 4's better combat and building settlements
It's not just story that is better in the previous games, it's character building and role playing that is far better. 4 does have better combat but it should as it came out 7 years after 3.
What an amazing year for video games. 2015 was incredible, I'll never forget it. Witcher 3, mgs5 and fallout 4! Even though the story was weak I loved the exploration and gameplay.
As a long time fallout player, fallout 4 isn’t even a terrible game I just think the biggest issue is that fallout 4 was designed to be a game for new players where as most of the others were designed to the fallout fan base
In my opinion the problem with Fallout 4’s story is it’s urgency. In the beginning of the game you saw your family destroyed, your son kidnapped. As a parent the logical thing to do is to stop at nothing to save your child. Because of this backstory, it does not make sense for your character to explore the world freely (if you intend to follow the story). While in New Vegas, your character does not remember who he/she was. The only thing that you are suggested to do is to find the person that tried to kill you and find out who you were. You can choose to ignore that and just explore the world, and that decision can still make sense.
Yep, FO4 is a textbook example of how to completely DESTROY plot pacing. I can only make sense of this by pretending the main character is a generation 3.5 synth from the institute, sent into the world to test how effective planted memories are at shaping their personality (not very effective/lasting at all). Codsworth and initial game until Sanctuary is just fake memories, with player just booted up right after the bright lights on the elevator. The experiment backfires and the 3.5 synth has no control chip so it can't be shut down, which may or may not destroy the institute. Maybe they just decide to fool around with sim settlements or power armor, who knows :D
The biggest thing for me was the world didn't feel like it was home to anyone, other than diamond city, there weren't really many towns, my favorite thing about F3 and new Vegas was exploring all the little towns and communities. The towns that did exist in F4 just felt flat and didn't have the depth the other ones did for me
In new vegas it was tedious..... you gotta walk for 10 minutes to just get to that 1 guy. Open but empty. Also really tired of the "generics" thrown in there,,,patrolling the mojave makes you wish for a nuclear winter"... and such. Even the combat dialogue is cringey...
@@cactusmann5542 to meet 1 guy with more personality than the railroad and minuteman faction combined....
Same. It just felt empty of meaningful substance. I also don't like the weapon design of Fallout 4. Much prefer 3's and New Vegas's weapon design.
@@CaesarGB I agree I don't like the fo4 guns so I use mods to add some guns plus I also add the fo3 and nv weapons in fo4
@@Username_-yf2zw I also tend to add modded weapons when I play. That and radios because Diamond City radio gets old after a while.
Fallout 4 is simultaneously one of my most favorite games of all time and most disappointing games I’ve ever played
very well said!
Yep, but I honestly think it’s my most played and most enjoyed solely because of mods, though. I love the story and lore that was added with FO4 (especially the Far Harbor DLC), although some things make me question what in the world Bethesda is doing with the franchise, and I’ve done numerous vanilla play-throughs messing around with builds, but modding it is why FO4 is my favorite.
I love what the community has been able to do with the game. I got into modding back when Skyrim first came out and learned 3d modeling when it came to FNV, but FO4 is where I went all in with Substance Painter, ZBrush, 3dsMax, Photoshop, all of it and and still continue to mod the hell out of … the time I have spent modding this game is honestly shameful as I’ve spent more time sorting load orders and testing stuff, but it’s such a great game for it with honestly one of the best communities.
I absolutely loved the fps aspects and exploration. It just needed a better leveling system with more speech checks or build checks that would help male the game more similar to new Vegas .if that was in the game I would have voted it close to a modern masterpiece!
ong fallout 4 so ass I love it
I cant have it in my favorites cause i dont put modded games in it and base f4 is rough but with some its fun
I have to say, the fact that Power Armor is more "troublesome" in this game is a point in it's favor. If you're going to try to sell the weight, power, and to really hammer home the fact you're a walking *tank*, then at the same time also being able to sleep, eat and just do whatever in it all the time without any negatives to remind yourself that you are, in fact, in a walking mech suit, it really makes the efforts in the former not as impactful.
Some days you leave the power armor behind, go scout and loot or light travel. Some days you take it to go attack raiders, heavy travel, and headed Ad Victorium. System could probably use some polishing but it’s alright.
Yeah the power armour was one of my favourite new additions in FO4
@@SpoopySquid it’s fun for survival too. Most of my characters are “versatile” sneaky guys and so usually they forgo the power armor. But they use it when they know they have to go up against a tough challenge like Corvega Assembly at low levels. But most of the time they’re scouting or traveling and can’t waste the fusion cores or draw attention to themselves. And then I got my brotherhood character who tries to always be in the power armor, but if he gets caught out of camp on a recon mission or something he still has to get out of it to sleep or rest through the night. In survival it makes sense.
Well actually, it would make more sense for the US government to design them so that you can easily sleep with it on since a soldier could be forced to survive in a hazardous environment for weeks before they would have to fight.
@@TheUnchosenOne some of that has to be game mechanics though. Can’t sleep in a chair or wait around without one. Things I can go do right now. And maybe design limitations. Power armor could make you fly around in space and recycle your own piss for drinking water, or make you shoot laser beams out of your chest. But the engineers in the FO universe were likely limited by technology, resources, and politics. I’d imagine one CAN sleep in power armor. Probably even lay down and take a nap on the spot. But it’s probably not optimal. So In game, you have to take it off to sleep in your bed.
The whole detective thing tracking down Kellogg was really fun, I wish you could go on multiple cases with Nick as his partner living out a detective noir story.
It really was. I wish there was more detective like games or missions. Detroit Become Human is probably the best when it comes to that so far, imo. Far Harbor is second best.
Speaking of which, did you play Far Harbor yet?
@@dirtydan9153 LA Noir is a really good detective game
@@colton3927 I enjoyed it, i just really hated how interrogations were handled in that game.
Silver shroud quests kinda have the same feel
I mean at a minimum you have three quests being a detective with nick. 4 with far harbor. Idk how much more you could want the whole dlc is a investigation with nick
One of my grips with fallout 4 was that apparently every tool, person with building knowledge, and building plan got blown up in the explosion. Like its been 200 years its not that hard to make a wood structure without it looking like crap
Did you notice that you can gather clean steel, but can only build with rusty steel and rusty corrugated steel? Did you notice while building a barn/warehouse that you made prebroken windows? That you have to build beds, even though in the vault you just left(111) there were 8 beds and 4 bunkbeds, plus undamaged storage items, but that you can't take any of it?
@@hugehappygrin7425 it always irks me that we couldnt make a settlement out of vault 111 like it has clean running water and is a fortified position
@@alanderek1231 If we were able to use the vault as a settlement, then the raiders couldn't kidnap people and steal food and...supplies. I have no idea what the settlers mean by supplies. With settlements raids only happen when you aren't there, and you have a 50% chance of losing the fight no matter how high your defense is. Non-cheat maximum defense is 999. Even a cheated defense of 90,000, usually against a team of raider with pipe pistols and melee, is just ignored by the game, if you fail to show up.
It's the ambient radiation. People have been damaged at a genetic level. That's why everything is half-assed and still fucked.
Tell that to the slums in Karachi and the favelas of Rio
27:06 Danse has balls of steel. Gets attacked by a deathclaw and carries on with the conversation like nothing is happening. What a mad lad.
He's part of the Brotherhood of *Steel.* Why wouldn't he?
I’d assume so considering he’s a synth lol
He has literal balls of steel
I totally banged Paladin Danse. Rode all night on his 6 inches of robo steel.
He's literally built different.
I've never understood why there wasn't an option for the Railroad to be absorbed as a sub-faction to the Minutemen. It solves the Railroads manpower issue and it gives the Minutemen a route to infiltrate and destroy the boogeyman of the Commonwealth. Hell, I could totally see a romantic subplot between Desdemona and Preston that would've been entertaining.
And it makes sense considering BOTH factions are pretty much at brink of death.
Like minutemen are literally 3 dudes and drug addict grandma lol
The answer to this is that the lead writer wasn't smart enough to notice.
As they say in the writing bussiness, "never try to write a character smarter than you". Guess this also applies to overarching stories with multiple paths.
No way. RR is totally simping for some robots. They have a robo fetish.
THANK YOU, my taughts the entire time playing Minuteman were "Why not make the Railroad a spy wing of the Minuteman?" Like the factions have 0 reasons to hate eachother
It would make it like new Vegas where you can ally the brotherhood and ncr(or the khans) and it feels so much more immersive and rpg
Lol, at 27:05 he got absolutely destroyed by that deathclaw while having a serious conversation with Paladin Danse. I did not even know a deathclaw could even spawn near that bunker.
You know one thing I really liked about this game, I iced Father the second he walked in the room so I never found out he was Shaun, and I remember being so confused at the ending after I wiped out the Institute. I do like that they gave you the option to just blast Shawn away like that.
"Right, wrong... irrelevant" - That line alone justified killing Father.
I did the exact same thing! What kind of monster would play with his father's heart like that?
I blasted that asshole to pieces then slaughtered everyone in the institute. My game then soft locked and I had to go through talking to that dickhead "Father".
@@Edax_Royeauxthe way I see it, Shaun is gone, he died when the Institute stole him, Father is a completely different person, one born and bred in the Institute. Shaun will never come back, no matter what you say to Father
I did too, after he said he was my son. I was like, "nah." Anyways, I started blasting
@@ntfoperative9432Shaun can't have been gone if there was no Shaun to know in the first place. For all we know, Shaun always had it in him to be like he was made to be.
In my opinion, I think the biggest missteps BGS made with fallout 4 were removing skills, dumbing down charisma/speech, and streamlining conversations. Those three major RPG elements are what made Fallouts 1, 2, and even 3 really good and immersive. Hell, I even missed having the Karma system! At the end of the day though, I still put like 400+ hours into fallout 4, so jokes on me I guess..
I'm so glad they ditched the Karma system. I was so sick of the games judging me bizarrely on what the developers thinks is moral or not. At the end of the day, I'd like to ask for more caps or loot items from the Triggerman without bounty hunters being sent after me. Having a companion judge me audibly was always more impactful then some UI update in the corner of the screen, telling I'm a naughty girl for shooting a mass murderer like Roy Phillips. That absolute distain and disbelief Paladin Dance has for you if you play the Silver Shroud quest greedy and ruthless is so much more effective.
@@Edax_Royeaux now that I think about it, the karma system for fallout 3 was a tad sensitive. You'd just think about pickpocketing someone and you'd get bad karma lol. It wasn't like that at all with fallouts 1 and 2. You could "acquire" items from others without getting dinged for it every time you did. You could "silence" others without getting dinged for it as well. Unless it really meant something to the overall story. Oh yeah and that companion karma system in fallout 4 was a pain ha!
@@bryanbosarge If there was a karma system in Fallout 4, I strongly suspect painting Diamond City blue would be an "evil" act.
@@Edax_Royeaux 😂
@@Edax_Royeaux new Vegas pretty much gave up on the karma system and didn't even bother trying to fix that can of worms. Instead it made a better version, faction karma. This way the game can judge you justifiably. For ex, if you recruit the BOS into aiding the NCR you get negative faction karma from the NCR since they despise the BOS because of helios one.
My first run I accidentally went with Minutemen since i hated the Institute - aftter I entered it first time I just started shooting and killed Shaun without knowing he was my son, and ended the game that way
He dies anyway so it doesn't matter
Brotherhood all the way. Literally every other faction in the game is boring to me (Although I think the Minutemen could have been great and Bethesda should have made them both more effective and more Revolutionary looking). Even then I'm pretty mixed on Bethesda's Eastern Brotherhood of Steel. I'm more of an Enclave guy anyway.
And no, this isn't me hating on Bethesda's Fallout games. I like their Fallout games, but they sure aren't perfect.
love shoot first dont ask questions later 👍
@@CaesarGB man I love new vegas's Mr House's description of the brotherhood of steel
he called them a butch of hypocritical technophiles just try to horde technology and play knight
at first I was like What no way I love the BoS then I looked at my self a crazy murder hobo that steals and kills for technology without remorse and runs around helping people but the moment they get between me and some cool laser gun or plasma thing I'd kill anyone
and I realized maybe he's on to something
Lazy af
You could have finished the assault on the Brotherhood's ship without ever shooting a bullet. If you have a BoS uniform (I think Deacon even gives you one before you head in but I'm not 100% sure on that) you can walk around and people won't attack you, but you'll be questioned from time to time by different characters and you have to pass some speech checks that get more difficult as time goes on. If you fail, the entire ship attacks you, but if you pass you can plant the charges and walk away, leaning into the espionage side of the Railroad
Yeah this part of the video baffled me. The entire point of the mission is that it's an infiltration, not an assault. You steal an official BoS Vertibird, have the character known for disguise and false personas talk you in, wear a stolen uniform, then try to surreptitiously plant the bombs while avoiding people and potentially having to pass speech checks if you get too close. It is a stealth mission through and through, and only turns into a fight if you fail at stealth or charisma first. It's also undertaken with the understanding that unless the Railroad is able to quickly land a decisive blow they probably won't survive another attack from the BoS, so while it's risky it's also entirely necessary.
You can also save the synths and Bunker Hill then pass a high speech check with Father to stay in the Institute so long as you didn't get caught doing it. If you do get caught saving them that is another way to get Banished from the Institute without killing anyone. You do need to recapture one synth for the Institute who is a Raider gang leader, which I think is there more to make you question whether the Railroad are really in the right and give the player a reason to potentially betray them and side with the Institute.
I agree with a lot of this video but his understanding of the Railroad's questline and the choices you have available was very lackluster.
@@SkywardShoe Yeah, I definitely agree with you on that. My guess is that he started the Railroad playthrough last so maybe he wanted to finish it as fast as possible because he was tired already, still it's strange how many blatantly wrong statements he has in that section of the video
You SAY that, and yet I got caught immediately, and had to scarper with God Mode on to survive.
I had a full suit of high-end combat armor and a tricked-out plasma cannon (hidden under my flight suit, apparently?), so when I finally got caught, I just killed everyone. Same for the Institute. The ability to hide an epic arsenal under street clothes has to be one of the most underrated super-powers.
yeah, ngl i feel like he sorta missed the point of the minuteman and esp the railroad plots.
My problem with 4’s main quest is it feels like a long winded side quest. I very much enjoy exploring the world and interacting with it, but the main quest felt like a chore that I kept forgetting to do.
Wrong the story is a masterpiece and im tired of you saying the game is bad.
@@robertdowling4673 fallout 4’s main quest couldn’t be any further from a masterpiece than what it already is
@@aaronwhite1297 then its a bad game then.
Same with Skyrim. Main quest lacked any impact and it felt like side quest.
@@robertdowling4673what
something else i strongly disliked was that the "choises" you were offered were basically "yes, yes but sarcastically, yes but why? and no but actually yes"
I almost quit the game when i only had 4 options
"HOW DO YOU POLISH RUST?!" is one of my favorite lines in any game ever, its so desperate and emotional, he's truly pleading with god to answer him
I mean he is a robot and curie said she couldnt figure out out to outsmart programing Even after she became sentient
None of us should be surprised that the writing for FO4 was lackluster; Bethesda's lead writer Emil Pagliarulo has made it abundantly clear that he doesn't give a shit about compelling or challenging narratives. He writes his stories to appeal to the largest demographic possible, so anyone who came in expecting NV or Morrowind levels of writing were just fooling themselves.
This also is why I'm not overhyped for Starfield With Emil (Mr Keep It Simple Stupid) Pagliarulo as the lead writer, I feel another hollow experience awaits us.
Yuuup. Unless there’s a serious shakeup at Bethesda we should be worried about TES6. With the current writing team best it’s gonna be Skyrim 2. At best lol.
@@jamesmeldrum4563 NOOOOO FUCK
Because having good writers is expensive and they know they can get away with the equivalent of "instant ramen" of story writers.
Can't really blame us though. We had alot of shit going on at the time and didn't even think to pay attention to that detail.
I assumed Shawn was taken during the vault uprising mentioned in the security computer (early 2077), and thus was long dead by the time I thawed out. So off I went, cheerfully unencumbered by parental responsibilities, determined to crush the wasteland under my iron boot.
I was level 20-something before I wandered into Diamond City and discovered that my character was still hung up on his century-dead kid.
I guess I'm not father material. :)
Fair, but also xD I just restarted the game for the 7th time this morning and they kinda make it a point to look for the kid, even aside from the uprising and such. It's obvious that the people who take the kid aren't in vault tech clothing, which would lead one to believe it was after the uprising and ultimate fall of the vault. Which is also why every one else is dead.
Even talking to codsworth the Sole Survivor makes a point to mention (regardless of what options you pick) that they want to find their son.
Don't take that attitude to heart. I'm a father of 2 kids and I love them dearly. However, I had to let them make their own lives. My daughter is 48 and my son will be 46 in 6 weeks, and they are still doing well. But I felt no attachment to Shawn from the get-go to the end.
I have never played through the main story in hundreds of hours of play. I honestly never gave a shit about Shawn or what may have happened to him. I didn’t even know you could visit the institute until I watched this. In fact I never really did much with any of the factions apart from winning the castle back for the minutemen.
From the stuff you hear in game it made it pretty obvious to me it was the institute who took Shaun, but once I got to the institute, something about their version of events started rubbing me the wrong way, the more I looked into things the less it made sense. Shaun ages 60 years but Kellogg is barely unchanged from the time he takes Shaun and "60 years later" when you're let out. What kind of child even one who didn't grow up with their parent would allow their parents killer to work and benefit from the system you're now in, furthermore why would you leave him to attempt to take out your other parent as a test? Why would the institute let their number 1 most valuable test subject become the leader of the whole thing down the line. I'm willing to bet the research wasn't simply taking blood once.... They probably poked and prodded him until he died. Also the fact he made different child versions of Shaun to try to trick us..... Father isn't Shaun, thus don't feel bad for killing him, in fact you should probably feel redemptive since you're killing one of the people most likely responsible for the death of your in universe child.
@@TanakaMatsumoto Given how they act, I would have assumed they took every blood and tissue sample they could, and cast the rest into an incinerator. But the devs don't want the Institute to be completely evil. They want you to be able to join them, and believe you can turn them around. I'm fairly certain the only reason most people would consider joining them is because your kid lived to be Director, and decided to make you his replacement.
I never understood why they removed weapons from being Holstered, that was one of the first moments a few mins into the game I noticed that FO4 was off, something as simple as that being taken away for no explicable reason other than, laziness. Probably cause they had clipping issues with the power armour, rather than fixing it they just take it away like with everything else in their franchises. The story stuff and bloated radiant quest bullshittery, lack of dialogue options (or knowing what you guys gonna actually say, or tone). It felt like a single player MMO is the best way to put it, but after playing FO76 I can see FO4 was literally a test demo for 76.
For Power Armour, a second fix would have power armour holster on the armour
If you hold the reload button (R,Square,X)
your character holsters their gun
@@demodot323 I'm talking about being displayed on your character like the old games.. not like a Rockstar game 😂
Yea, I think a lot of that was definitely due to the clipping since FO4 implemented a layered armor system with various types of different meshes.
FO4 was the first Fallout game where we could customize our body shape/types in the character creator on top of all the other extra goodies we were able to do just in CC alone. Tack on how we could layer the armors (which make up all kinds of different mesh sizes), it made for numerous combinations on how a body could look.
Which in turn, makes the idea of holstering a weapon a bit trickier since there would have to be numerous combinations/mesh alterations of the modeled weapon to rig to the body with animations for every single combination. On top of that, they would have to account for all the weapon attachments/mods for each weapon mesh that was implements in FO4, which makes it even more tedious.
I understand why they did away with it and I don’t blame them. I’d rather have a modular armor system with different combo weapon attachments in the end over a floating gun.
There’s no gameplay benefit to holstering aside from the “tacticool” aesthetics anyways, IMO.
There are mods that add it to FO4 for those who want it back, though. Better than previous iterations for prior games, but I still think it looks silly. Some mods have found better ways to implement it by trying to hide the floating a bit better with backpacks. However, even the backpacks clip with most outfits or look just as out of place as there aren’t straps for most of those either to account for the numerous body types (all still extremely noticeable when crouched in 3P).
@@TwoBs yeah I agree man. I do think that it is emblematic of Bethesdas design philosophy though.. everything just seems to get pruned when they have issues making it work rather than actually trying to make it work.
It makes me wonder.. Will we have Rockstar like Sheathing in the Elder Scrolls 6? I know it's small and might seem petty, but it's something we've had in most of their games now, and I think it will be sad to see it go, I remember finding a mod when playing Skyrim years ago, before FO4 was out, it was called "Unlimited Equipment Overhaul" or something, and it actually allowed you have all of your favourited weapons in the Tab to be displayed on your dude, even when sheathed, it would make your character look hella badass 😂
Its just another way for your avatar to be a bit more personalised to your playstyle ya know. I do love what Modders do, but Bethesda need to fix their own problems, they've used mod makers as a crutch for far too long haha
Codsworth is fascinating to me, because the Mr. Handy units weren't designed with the capacity for sentience, and yet his AI seems to have achieved a sort of pseudo-sentience after 200 years of computing. He's unable to break away from his programming, but his personality has clearly evolved beyond that of a normal Mr. Handy.
I'm quite certain you could port his overdeveloped AI into hardware capable of supporting true sapience, and end up with a real person on your hands.
Yeah perhaps give him to the institute and make some sort of synthetic codsworth would be pretty cool
That's exactly what happened to Curie
It's so sad what happened to him, imagine being just, around, nothing to do and no one around for 200 years, it's too much time for a human to even grasp, codsworth didn't seem to leave the property of Nate and Nora even, just tried to clean and continue his duty, it's the most depressing part of the game
-And unlike Cortana, Guilty Spark, Durandal or Mendicant Bias, he DIDN'T decide one night that he was God.
It's almost like a Ray Bradbury story.
I remember not liking any of the endings or outcomes for people. So when I came across a video about a sort of unofficial secret ending, that I liked I went for that one. It basically involves going through most quests, for all the factions to a certain point. And then destroying the Institute. It leaves the game in a state where all the factions are at peace with one another, and friendly towards you
Deathclaws used to be og every time I used to see one or a tail sticking out from behind a rock I would be so filled with terror and dread. Now since 4 and 76 they are not as scary as they used to be. This kinda sucks.
So in the OG games the first time you run across Deathclaws there's literally a pack of them
It's so fucking brutal like you can sneak past them but it's not just like a random deathclaw there's a nest one screen over from a town lol
They gave the fo4 deathclaws too many animations. They feel slow compared to the absolute speed demons in fo3 and new vegas. They would've been scarier if they attacked more instead of doing a bunch of roars and running around.
They’re strong as hell wym? I always avoided death laws in fallout 4
@@odst2247 maybe you should try using your power armor?
I heard in the first 2 Fallouts that they're practically impossible to beat, even at a high level.
Fallout 4 was my introduction to the fallout franchise. It has a special place in my heart even when it has glaring flaws.
Exactly how I feel.
Oh wow I started with 3 now I feel old lol
Spoke my mind, always nostalgic about it now
I started with FO4, and after having heard so much about FONV, I wish to play it. It would admittedly be great if we got the gunplay of FO4, and everything else of FLNV lol
Same. It's a love hate relationship
23:35 That's not true, we only REALLY meet Mr house and Yes Man because we need to be in vegas first, we can do a lot for the NCR and a bit for the Legion before ever setting for in New Vegas
Plus, you’ve had Victor following you along and interacting with you the entire way to New Vegas. The second you get to New Vegas, you see Victor and he tells you to go meet Mr. House. You’ve also already met Vulpes. The only introduction that really occurs when meeting Benny for the first time is Yes Man
@@caydjj lol i always tried to stealthy kill vulpes cuz i wanted his dog hat.
But that was the thing i always found rather shallow about fallout new vegas like i remember people always using the argument that your decision actually mattered, when in reality it really doesnt lol you can kill every ncr or legionaire you find , be the grim fucking reaper and you enter new vegas and its like hey pal you murdered an entire platoon worth of soldiers and and our entire faction hates you with all their might but how about we forgive all your crimes instead ?
@@owningkoning To be fair, you're the first person to ever speak with Mr House so I can understand that they'd try and want you on their side cause that marks you as special
@@bipstymcbipste5641 Yep, everyone wants Mr. House dead since he imposes some measure of neutrality over the Mojave, and you're the only guy/gal in a good position to do the deed.
@@Newt0rz yeh, just means that those people have their priorities straight. I'm sure everyone would be gossiping about the person who just strolled in and walked into the lucky 38. But it's still funny that you can absolutely destroy the Caesar's plans and he just recites the long list of things you've done. Makes me wish there was an option to say, "I know, I've been quite busy" or something to that effect
There's a lot of quests you can do for the NCR before the personal invitation you get on the strip. Camp McCarren, Camp Forlorn Hope, Camp Golf, Bittersprings, Helios One, Mojave Outpost, you can just about guarantee victory for the NCR before they ever start directly asking for your help.
Indeed and also when I was playing New Vegas my main goal wasnt to kill Benny at all. I even released him in both his suite and Ceaser's camp. So that part was not too correct as well on the video.
@@mertkanozcelik8872 you can literally go the entire game never even seeing benny ever again after the opening cutscene lol
At th 27th minute, when you express your admiration for the brotherhood storyline and a sethclaw suddenly ruins the scene, I really felt that.
Dude the hype for this game was unreal. I remember my friends and I skipped a class in high school so we could watch the reveal.
lol
the hype for this game wasn't unreal, wtf are you talking about. this game was officially announced until 5 months before launch. the rest was gamer hype. hell that channel with the ticking clock that Bethesda DIDN'T release was a player release. everything was speculation, and Bethesda kept fallout 4 under their hat until almost launch. you fucking people and your blaming Bethesda when you should be blaming the fucking stupid fans.
@@demonpride1975 bro chillax it’s not that serious
@@demonpride1975 how much is Bethesda paying you bro
@@kirklandcofer9279 they are not paying me anything, but simply lying because you hate something is giving people bad information.
They should’ve had the power armor been destroyed in the beginning. They then give you false hope against death claws, and displays the power of the armor.
They should've just had it give you only the chest piece. Then Preston would give locations to find the others across the wasteland.
power armour would still be pretty easy as shit to get after that, i have like 4 or somethin frames in sanctuary (sold all of the actual armour on them though since i have x01 on one) and found about three decommissioned ones placed around the CW
@@dr.3998 that makes zero sense, why would preston know anything about locations of power armor pieces, he literally has no interest in that.
@@demonpride1975 They were part of a minutemen armory that was raided. Honestly though, even with that plot hole it's better than most of the other writing.
@@dr.3998 see i would agree with that if they took the power armor and put it in the armory, but they left it which would be bad writing.
The Commonwealth itself is amazing. I love modding it up to look great and just walking through the ruins of downtown. The devs also did a good job at putting little rewards for exploration such as the story you uncover in Malden. They also did a decent job with environmental storytelling. It's a great world to explore. I love how the city is so vertical. The ruins are amazing. But the story and factions of the game really let it down.
you missed the part where walking through downtown makes your fps drop to 20-40fps because the optimisation was done by an unpaid intern and qa doesnt exist apparently
I literally haven't explored downtown since 2015 because if my fps isn't 15 my game just crashes
@@foreverdm7000 That sucks. I don't have that issue near as much. Perhaps one of my mods helps it out. I will get the occasional frame drop but its not persistent. The only time I loose frames consistently is in concord. And that's because I have a mod that that makes concord truly look like a city that was under military control. It adds so much clutter and stuff that it drags my fps to 30. But I can deal with that. Sucks you and sam and others get persistent fps drops.
Downtown almost always crashes my game plus I'm not at all interested in exploring it but I do like the glowing sea imo
The environmental storytelling and the terminal entries were the laziest form of storytelling.
Pretty much every Bethesda RPG I've played since Oblivion always felt like a theme park to me, rather than a fleshed out world with actual societal depth in the way the world functions. So many small sidequests in places that have no real impact to deliver just enough of an endorphin rush to keep you floating along until the next little sidequest.
And you just summed up why I cannot get into the game.
Honestly confronting Danse and Maxson is forever burned into my brain
It was night and raining and I was desperately trying to convince Maxson that Danse was a paladin first and a synth second
I failed my charisma check I was so close
I left the brotherhood that day
This was my favorite moment of the game. Luckily I had the speech skill and picked the right choices to convince Maxson to let Danse live.
FNV will always be my favourite, simply because most of the companions have good stories, interesting NPCs, tons of factions and missions, and of course Red Lucy
yo the fallout 4 companions are good
@@bitterman7258 i liked they changed the combat so we dont have to rely on vats but as far as companions go Cait, Robert, Danse, Nick are interesting, the rest are meh
@@Poketrainer92 how
@@Poketrainer92 I mean Deacon is cool too
@@Poketrainer92 who tf is Robert
For me, in both 4 and 76, being an essentially Pre-War character always misses the mark especially since you lack the ability to choose what your character did prewar. Instead you're a Soldier/Lawyer or just "America's Brightest."
Imagine in Fallout 4 if you could choose to be a police officer. After you exit the Vault you come back to your home and reclaim your old uniform/service Pistol. Or maybe you were firefighter so you come back to a fire axe and gas mask. These are just a few examples that was a totally missed opportunity
Edit I think one your early points shows why voice acting was a problem: Nate was upset. Nate was distraught. You as the player probably aren't as you did not have any time to grow Attachment to the. Spouse. The Sole Survivor is never your character. It's Bethesda's character.
"It's Bethesda's character." And very poorly written at that.
That needs a mod
Agreed. Hell, if they kept the point system from the previous games then you could have your profession replace the traits system.
Maybe the police officer finds it easier to use smaller weapons, able to more easily intimidate enemies in combat to make them drop their weapons, but suffering with larger weapons.
Firefighter, permanent protection to fire, boost to endurance, though with your past of saving lives it's tough for you to intimidate people.
We didn't really need to be in the military/be a lawyer. I'm pretty sure it's only brought up once or twice in the whole game.
@@7rhymes599 hell, there was already something for that, the trait system, to bad that's gone
I was in fact wishing for the Spouse to leave me alone since she wanted to dictate whatever I was doing in pre-war, I couldn't reject Vault-tec because she said so, as a player who already completed earlier games I already knew Vault 111 was gonna run some shady experiment and when the doctor was trying to rush the speech just for you enter to the cryo pod and you were wondering why the fuck there was liquid like something was melting she was just like ''heHE LeTs eNTer tHe PODs'', when I was saying goodbye to Codsowrth she was already running to the vault without even saying shit to the poor robot.
So for me when the character was being angry at her death I was like ''yeah whatever, I'm free now''.
I actually got the “Defeat the Brotherhood” ending with the Minutemen as my first playthrough. You can coexist with the Institute if you don’t want to destroy them.
I play fallout everyday, here in Detroit don't even need a controler...
Lol
@@petergianakopoulos4926bro replied 2 years later lmao
@@callmeoblivion7959 does funny degrade with time?
Kellog was the best story element of the entire game. He was well acted, well written, and felt genuine. A consequence of the brutal wasteland, and they did a great job with his character reveal being after you killed him.
Other than that, main story was total crap. The whole Shaun thing was just lame, it reeked of subverting expectations which is a tactic i have grown to absolutely abhor! Just make a satisfying story, some twists and turns are great, but can we lay off the depressing af "sorry your whole family was f'd up and your son is a crazy, brainwashed bastard, better luck next time"
For me, Bethesda not following through on them having Nick in his head is where the story really starts to fall apart. There would've been so many possibilities there, with a choice of keeping Kellogg in Nick's head.
I think the evil Father being Shaun could’ve worked well if there was a real reason for it, but since the goals of the Institute weren’t clear, kidnapping Shaun just seemed unnecessary and him being so devoted to the Institute isn’t very believable because we don’t even know what the Institute is actually working towards
But even Kellog was botched in the end. You kill him, Nick accesses his memories, becomes Kellog for a moment that alludes to Nick becoming a threat, and then...Nothing. A whole interesting and compelling plot thread that goes nowhere.
I hope Microsoft replaces that guy who’s best friends with Tom Howard and is responsible for the writing in FO3 and 4. I think it’s bad writing if the fans have to make lots of justifications for the flaws in your writing.
And replace him with Chris Avelone, the worst most unoriginal writer ever?
@@cactusmann5542 he never even mentioned Avalone. So why bring him up? Are you just salty lmao
@@cactusmann5542 If Avelonne is the "worst writer ever" then Pagliarulo is a goddamn bacteria by comparison.
I actually like the writing in fallout 3, sure fallout new vegas has some better writing but i always found the plot stupid in new vegas and the whole "battle of hoover dam" pretty dull and silly.
Not nescearily the dam meaning controle over vegas thats pretty okay but the whole fact that your supposed to be this courrier who apparently nobody knows of you dont know who you where and apparently you the player doesnt give a shit either but for some godforsaken reason you do care so much about the goddam dam and the war between the legion and ncr.
I just always felt like my character was out of place in new vegas and my motives didnt make sense either.
+in new vegas the story is pretty much the main line in the game whereas i have the feeling that in fallout 3 for example the goal is to wander , fallout new vegas just doesnt have that wander around explore the world feeling in my opinion , like i think i have seen the entire new vegas map but i cant recall ever caring about the exploration or recall any notable places outside of the story line.
I fcking agreed its Emil pagriarulo, Bethesda should have a join operation with Chris Avallone and John Gonzalez for the main lead writer for fallout 5
I went through Fallout 4 looking for a settlement on my way to Dimond City, with high hopes I might add. Only to discover that it was the only one aside from Goodneighbor and a Vault.
I often found myself realizing that I was forcing myself to play this at some points, unlike all the previous games or the Hearts of Iron Fallout mod (10/10 would rule the wasteland again).
I’ll never forget as a young kid who had never known anything about the fallout franchise before, saw a video of the quest where the castle is attacked and then the player must strike back and break into the institute, and thought it was a simple radiant quest that is part of the settlement system in how you must protect your settlements, and thought this was a very ambitious and complex game and wanted to play it. The disappointment when I found out it was actually the finale 😂😅
The thing that always confused me was why neither the Minute Men or the synth rebellion wanted to claim the institutes base as their own instead of blowing it up. Like the Brotherhood wanted to remove the possibility that more synths could be made or any other dangerous tech, makes sense. The Minute Men, claiming the base might set a bad precedents or frighten the rest of the Commonwealth since that type of thing isn’t what those guys do. But the Synth rebellion in the Railroad ending? I feel like they would want to claim the base and create their own faction. That would have been a wild ending and would have provided an excuse for a couple post game quests to help them get into their feet
“Who would play the brotherhood missions all the way to that point to change sides?” They guy who was setting up an epic tear it all down betrayal that’s who.
One of my biggest problems is the tension between the 4 factions in fallout 4, there is none. In New Vegas you feel that the Legion, NCR and Mr House hated, distrust and wanted to kill the other and using other minor factions to complete their goals regardless of the cost. Fallout 4 on the other hand does not feel like that. Minutemen and Railroad are just there and at times you forget that they are even there. Even the brotherhood and institute don't have any sort of tension, while the brotherhood is screaming how much they want to kill the institute, the institute most of the time doesn't acknowledge them, or any faction, most of the time.
I assume you’re talking about between the minutemen, railroad, and Brotherhood. Because it is well established and reminded about the railroad and brotherhood have for the institute
@@filecorrupted8540 its not, only because they give you quest doesnt mean its established.
It just means they gave you quest so story can wrap up lol.
With NCR, Legion and House you had a lot of smaller side quests that impacted outcome a lot.
Legion had Silus and spy in McCarran. Well you can decide to find the spy and get info from Silus or not.
Hell even in one of Camps, yoi have quest with ranger codes that you can give to legion if you wanna.
A lot of smaller factions like Freeside, Strip, Khans, Boomers, Remnants that also have their share of story and effect on outcome.
What are smaller factions that can move story in 4? There are only 4 main ones and thats pretty much it.
@@imma5761 More factions doesn't necessarily make a game better.
@@Edax_Royeauxbut these factions have none of the depth, and those smaller factions help build up the larger ones via their interactions, ebb, and flow
@@Edax_Royeaux it does in NV. Each and every small factions represent a well-written group of people, their ideal and their goal. The Kings alone is more memorable than any of the big factions in FO4.
I feel like New Vegas seriously upped everyones expectations for Fallout 4 and made everyone forget how mediocre Fallout 3's story was, Bethesda haven't made a single Fallout with a good story in my opinion.
Correct
New Vegas had like 15 years of story writing prepped up when Obsidian started so it doesn't really seem fair to Bethesda honestly
They'd done *alot* of story pre-production on Van Buren before the IP got sold and Obsidian still had all of that
@@mitchellhorton9382 but you also have to take into account the fact that Bethesda is huge company with expansive experience in writing for rpgs, rivaling Interplay/Obsidian. When they bought the rights to the Fallout franchise, they should have been aware they were responsible for keeping up the standards of Fallout's writing, something that Obsidian understood and managed to do, on a time crunch, for a spin-off game, no less.
I'd understand Fallout 3's story being mediocre, but even after a generation of consoles, and after Fallout New Vegas, there are no more excuses
Yeah but new vegas had a shit world to explore, a linear progression to story, and horrible gameplay.
@@Majorblack
"fallout new vegas"
"linear story progression"
pick one
Thank you for explaining to me why I never finished the game.
I can relate to this comment XD
@Straw I do that only with challenges but not with casual playthroughs
I haven’t but still have 100s of play hours, the only quality story within the past 15 years is red dead series and the witcher 3. Everything else is mediocre
@@Majorblack there's definitely been way more amazing stories in the past 15 years dude, you just need to play more games
Dude same lol I have 73d 20h 55m of play time and I still haven’t finished the game yet, I actually got close to finishing it I got to the institute but I decided to reset my load order.
Making the minute men the enemy of the institute would have been easy. If the institute is making random people synths. Then you start linking settlements together, word spreads about you interfering with synths missions.
Now you started making them irritated. You get in, then you meet Shaun. Since you’re the leader, he tells you to stop messing with the hidden synths missions. But you choose not to, leading them to kick you out and declare you enemies for defying them.
Then again this depends on the institute actually doing something important with the fact they replace settlers randomly, and yk, have a purpose
Fallout 4 is one of my most played games. As someone who has sunk quite a lot of time into it I can agree almost 100% with every criticism of it.
Side Note: There is actually a way to make an enemy of the Institute without killing anyone, and that’s by going down the dialogue option of refusing to work with Shaun after the battle of Bunker Hill. Additionally, if you equip Brotherhood equipment and calmly make your way onto the Prydwyn you can actually do the entire mission of planting bombs on it without initiating combat. Neither of these I feel are well-known options, but they’re still options.
The stealth planting is what I did, that was my final playthrough for the last ending I needed so I wanted to do something different
The Institute's motto is "Mankind Redefined". A motto with no meaning at all. They created intelligent, self-aware artificial life whose goal is to perfectly imitate humanity. But the Institute gets upset and punishes these Synths when they act human. If they wanted dumb robots who follow orders and express no free will or personal desires why would they give Synths a sense of free will at all? Nothing they do makes sense.
The Institute should have created Synths with a real purpose. Mankind Redefined right? How about this. Synths are used to infiltrate surface society with the express goal of replacing them with genetically superior humans. Synths would blend into existing families and deliver modified dna to eggs during sex. The children born of these actions would be engineered to be superior than the average human. The Institute's methods would actually have a goal. The cost is the deception and harm caused to current humans to get to the Institute's goals of redefining mankind. And if the improved children are born and don't pan out to be as amazing as the Institute expects or experience long term genetic defects, all the damage they caused to surface dwellers would have been for nothing.
Edit: Adding on to this there are so many sub conflicts to explore. Who in the institute will have the greatest influence over the genetics of their newly seeded humans? Who gets to decide which traits are superior? The debate within the Institute would be facinating. And what about the Synths? They should be far more limited in capability than what we got overall. More machine underneath and fallable. However, there could be a sub faction in the institute who thinks seeding humanity 2.0 is a wasted effort, so they secretly have been improving the Gen 3 Synths beyond their intended purposes. What would the Institute do then once they realize their Gen 3 synths have gained a true sense of free will?
When you put it like that, the Institute as a whole is probably meant to be a parable for bad parenting.
Fallout 4 is extremely close to making the Institute make sense. All the pieces are on the board, ready to go - But they never get put in play. Consider this, it's not part of the game, but imagine that the Institute's goal with Synths is to eventually have them replace the members of the Institute and carry on their work underground. Considering that they're created to further the Institute's research and operations long after it's founders have passed away - They'd naturally not want them to go off and get distracted by the outside world or get caught up in a rogue ideology.
Want it to make even more sense? The Institute's goals are real long term - Like hundreds of years out. They're creating all this amazing technology underground to eventually be deployed once the ambient radiation above ground has subsided enough and the people above ground have grown civilized enough to utilize it. They create synths as a bastion of pure, uncorrupted DNA to repopulate the earth, program them with every skill and piece of information they might ever need to rebuild the world - And bam, there you have it. An all purpose time-bomb of world saving potential. Mankind literally redefined as in the future the only pure human DNA is going to be reintroduced to the world by robots and their 'Human' offspring.
That's not a lot - But that's all you'd have to do to make the Institute make sense.
Another goal could be, if Bethesda actually delved into the slave trade that should've been present and necessary for the Wasteland, the Institute goal should have been effectively 'stop the slave trade' by monopolising it with synthetics. This would explain why they make them with some level of free will, in order for them to develop problem solving skills that would be valuable. If successful this would stop the current slave trade, saving thousands of humans from being kidnapped and slaughter by slavers, as well as bring some level of large workforce that can bring humanity back from the brink, and back to some level of civilisation.
The most annoying thing about The Institute is when you see them and all their advancements, they hid this away from the Commonwealth instead of helping to rebuild. If Institute focused their repairs above ground, they could have improved society immensely. They're inherently selfish and evil and the worst part is it's run by your son and you can't even blame him.
@@whosaprettykitty5076 I've always hated this argument against the Institute, that they're "Evil" for "hiding away the technology".
I mean.. look at the "society" on the top world... It's over run by raider gangs, and factions like the Brotherhood who want to destroy you simply for existing and will declare all out war on you until you're destroyed utterly. It's completely decimated by Rad storms, and over run with ghouls and other abominations still 200 years later.
What exactly is the Insitute supposed to do to help? Send out their superior technology, where at some point it will be used against the people? Now the Instiute has to play permenant defense in trying to re secure tech that got taken by raider gangs, destroyed by Brotherhood of steel, and all kinds of other problems?
Actually hiding away until the time is right and they have the means, technology, support, and infrastructure, and the upper world is stabilized enough to where it wouldn't be detrimental to the future is exactly what the Institute should do, and that's what they do do.
In-fact, I think that's 1 thing everyone who analyzes the Institute is missing. The reason for the Robots, is to help bring the stability to the commonwealth, so that the Institute CAN finally show themselves, and help it. But until that time, they need to stay hidden and keep the future of humanity safe while having the freedom to continue their important research.
Fallout 4 was my first fallout, and I loved it so much. It immediately became the franchise I was most interested in, and went back to play new Vegas and FO3.
The ending of the story was a bit of a bummer, but all the little side missions and somewhat larger sub stories were so much fun exploring and completing that I still enjoyed the overall experience exponentially
same for me, I’m annoyed though because the story had a lot more potential
@@shoazdon7000 no doubt. For example ol Valentine's story felt like something they wanted to expand on but for whatever reason didn't. Alot of people you meet feel that way. Definitely so much lost potential
Yeah the ending is really sad but the silver lining is that the protagonist can create a new family with one of the companions. Nate(with Piper or Cait because they’re not robots). Nora(Preston and McCready). Plus it’s really cool that you can rebuild of the commonwealth after the ending. It’s like you’re living out your own ending slides but I still wish we did have ending slides. Lol 😂
New vegas goes hard af
@@Steel-101 Im a sucker for Nate x Piper, she seems annoying at first but when you learn her past you totally get why she acts that way. If only the rest of the games story had well written moments like Pipers backstory.
I always choose the Railroad ending. Infiltrating the BoS is EXTREMELY easy if you never joined them, or at least never visited the Prydwen before.
The reveal about Father was so unbelievable to me that I played through the entire game twice absolutely 100% convinced that Father wasn't my son.
I love Fallout 4, yet I hate it. I always look forward to having my post-apocalyptic harem farm crops in my stronghold, but I cannot for the life of me be motivated to pursue Shawn lol
In fallout 4, the less main story you do, the better the main story is lol. It is kind of funny tho if you're like me and you leave the vault and then run off and go do your favorite side quests. "Oh my wife was just killed in front of my eyes and my kid is missing? Time to go deliver a beer robot across town
@@cosmicdisaster02 to top it off, you get revenge on that guy who shot the spouse so you can kinda stop right there.
@@RobTheDoodler ya pretty much. Especially if you RP that the player figures out the twist. Best to just run off to far harbor after that and make that your main quest
Haha same bud, lvl 100+ and i still didnt enter the institute yet lol .
But hey my settlements look pretty dope
That's been my MO for all of Bethesda's games. I never touch the main story. In fact, for FO4 and Skyrim I actually forgot there was a main story and speedran them both in like 2 hours. To this day I couldn't tell you wtf happened in either but I can you about literally everything else. Also, 'harem farm crops', that's a new one
The minutemen are the "yesman" faction, IE "I locked myself out of all other endings" and thats all they're really used for. Honestly Nuka World feels like a real faction since they affect the world. Shame you need to get mods to allow you to take over the insutute as the raiders though...
Speaking of which, this is a game that needs a ton of addons to fix its horrible story. There are some great story mods though that really fix this up, and its hilarious being the overboss and taking everyone over, or being the mayor of diamond city, ext...
That's kinda over reaching don't you think? -- Why can't I be the Seriff of Junktown? Why Can't *I* took over the Master Plan and Lead the Mutant Army? Why Can't I took over the Casinos on The Strip (no, not just "Implied" in the independent ending)?
And the game has "Horrible story" is exagerration. You definitely had play other shitty game that actually has horrible story. General consensus like the story of the game.
I refused to go further than Old Guns with the Minutemen, since that's the last quest with an achievement attached to it.
@Xavier The Great you literally cannot become the leader of the great khans in New Vegas. You can become an honorary member, but that's it
I’m kinda shocked you didn’t point out Dogmeat tracking Kellogg across the map by a weak scent alone. It felt like a juvenile understanding of dogs on Bethesda’s part, since most dogs aren’t exactly fantastic bloodhounds and nothing established Dogmeat as having all the necessary training at some point. Not to mention Dogmeat just teleports to outside Kellogg’s house even if I haven’t met him and Nick not only knows him but puts his full trust in him.
I would’ve changed it so that instead of a scent, players could follow a loose trail of witnesses (and maybe the preexisting evidence spots) to Kellogg’s movement. They wouldn’t lead you perfectly from one spot to another and you and Nick would have to craft the story together based on their not-always-useful accounts.
Yea the dogmeat tracking quest is stupid as hell. It feels like an asspull like they didn't know how to continue the story or they couldnt be arsed to actually make something interesting.
Worst element still imo is them making Shaun an old man and the head of the institute (for whatever reason), there's legit zero reason as to why the story needs such kind of a twist, since you could never grasp the intention of the original institute head who caused you to embark on this huge rescue mission to begin with.
Your perception could help you in locating the evidence too.
Dogmeat's arguably also a synth. Ain't no other dogs lookin' like that in the wasteland. They're all nasty and wasteland-y, yet here's Dogmeat, fresh, clean and perfect.
@@Robocopnik I agree but its still bad writing that feels dumb and cartoonish to play through.
If they wanted DogMeat to be a synth they should have just made it obvious.
The final Danse quest would’ve been great if it hadn’t broken every time I tried to play it. Danse would just glitch out and walk away in the middle of the dialogue.
Having played FO4 for since it came out, and I've finished just about every main and side quest it remains one of the most engaging games I've ever played. Your video helped clear up plot points I've long forgotten about. Thank you for this video!
This is the reason I played the game once, went with the Brotherhood, and called it good lol. Great vid
Wish I learned like you did, played like 500 hour before realising It cant be the rpg I want and I dislike all the factions. Never even beat the game.
@@Kirtahl wow, reading this is sad
I payed £150 for the pip boy collectors edition and I've still never completed this game, i lost all interest and gave up 🤣
@@Grimnir_x damnnnnnn no return on investment man
Lol, I did the exact same thing as you did.
You can also get banished from the Institute at the end of the Battle of Bunker Hill, without having to kill Shaun, you simply can choose not to be part of them. I usually just run the Railroad to make first contact with the Institute, and just politely leave there. Of course that means I have to use the minutemen for the ending -- but that is what I want.
Honestly the best ending storytelling wise. Your character having the balls to say, no, Shaun, I can’t be a part of this, and him being so devastated and fundamentally broken by that loss that he convinces himself that you’ll destroy everything he’s ever cared about unless he destroys you first.
Great video. I agree with most of it. Bunker Hill was the moment I knew nobody at Bethesda had any clues on how to make the story work. The worst part in this game is the conflict of interest for the player: you need to rescue your kid but take FOREVER to build Minutemen bases and help the commonwealth.... It is sad that I enjoyed the game not because of the story but the mods (story, characters, weapons, quality of life, ...)
One thing about the minutemen you don't have to kill someone at the institute to be banished for to start their quest. You just have to be banished and you can turn down Sean at every opportunity when you first talk to him to get you vanished or after Bunker Hill. There's an opportunity to do it through dialogue too so you don't randomly have to kill someone
I was so confused when he said that because I've completed the minuteman ending twice without randomly killing anyone. One time it was in the mission Pinned, where if you've become general of the minutemen, they are the ones waiting to attack the homestead to rescue Wallace from the synths trying to take him. Siding with the minutemen here will also trigger banished from the institute
Man your channel is a goldmine. I can't wait to binge your videos
The moment the protagonist was refrozen after Shaun’s kidnapping, I assumed Shaun’s age would be uncertain. The whole main quest was frustrating because the player character insisted they were looking for an infant / child and the mismatch between my assumptions and the PC’s broke my immersion more than the backstory and voice acting ever did. Unfortunately I didn’t even register the twist that Shaun was the leader of the institute because I was so frustrated at the “twist” that Shaun was old! I see now that him running the institute was a good reveal, but the child Shaun ruined it for me… Not sure how this landed for others, and I realize that including the possibility of a time gap could have ruined a twist for others that just happened not to work for me.
Yea I pegged the time scale immediately. So Shaun being an old man wasnt a shock. Though I also figured that they'd make him the villain (didn't know about the Institute when I guessed this.)
yeah for me I didn't realize care he was my son I only knew him for a few a minutes and I didn't really care for the war hero identity they gave me
also what's funny is if your a female character you start with whatever stats you. want and can use power armor and other crap its hilarious
Well the moment I was out of the freezer I threw the ring away and didn't give a flying fuck about Shaun ... which was really bad because there is no way to reflect that in the game due to the writing being focused on the fact that the Player HAS to care about Shaun no matter what.
I haven't finished the game but from what I know, doesn't the memory sequence reveal that Shaun is a child and so that image of him becomes more relevant even if more time could've passed?
@@kellynolen498 yeah, I get a US marine knowing how to use power armor, but a lawyer?
Honestly I wouldve loved fallout 4 more if it delves further into ideas it set up and if it took more risks.
Have the sole survivor be a synth and have the player decide what they do with the info. Maybe you embrace it or maybe you hide it, have a copy of you be a major bad guy, give the minutemen some oomph by maybe having the final part of the quest line taking back Quincy.
Brotherhood of steel could destroy goodneighbor and the railroad could maybe have a partial settlement system of setting up outposts where you get radiant quests when you and if you decide to go to the location.
You were right on the money though, gameplay and exploration is fun but the narrative no longer grasps me
@@TheRealNobleSixx But neither of that adds any real depth to the game or the abysmal stories; it would have been nothing more than reusing a trope that had been overplayed since Bladerunner, and would have offered nothing more than a few more speech checks gameplaywise.
@@TheRealNobleSixx You are talking about a single line of dialogue where this "question" gets brought up and then never again. That is as much additional depth as a puddle.
@@TheRealNobleSixx Take your own advice and read what I first wrote. Tropes do not add depth, especially if your dialogue system is inconsequential to begin with.
@@TheRealNobleSixx Nah, people are simply blowing things way out of proportion in the usual cringe Redditor fashion.
@@TheRealNobleSixx Yes.
Fallout 4 was such a disappointment for me in almost everyway.
RP was thrown out of the window.
You will always be a war veteran or a lawyer before the bombs fell.
You will always have a son that gets kidnapped.
Plus the voice character, expressing emotion that will always be there, that goes against what I want to RP. It just disconnected me so much.
I was playing Bethesda's story, not making my own.
It worked for Mass Effect, The Witcher, because they had defined characters that those people could be. But Fallout is just too open to do the same thing as those games.
Because if you want to RP as a nice guy, you will have to go looking for your son as it contradicts your playthrough if you don't, but if you want to play as an asshole, there's not many options for that either. They honestly could've saved themselves so much work by just thinking of a reason like FNV with being a courier. You ended up in a situation that will drive you forward or not. That's RP, I swear they need to host more games of D&D to try and remember what makes RPG's so great.
Games have gotten distracted with the term 'RPG-elements' which just means you've got a leveling systems. But that isn't what makes RPG's, it seems the industry has forgotten.
Player character needs more variety in motivation. Family needs to be taken away. I think the house sequence should be how you describe your character. Your choices then change who is “unfrozen” or killed before you wake up in the main game.
Examples:
Choose to have spouse and child? They should be pulling in any minute from a run to valu-mart. Same sequence from the time you run to bunker. Negative version it is found out you are cheating with the neighbor.
Bachelors could establish a scene where they stop by a neighbors house they are romantically engaged with. You could also do a negative karma version where they have a spouse, making you sort of a scumbag.
Much more than that would be a lot to do. Already sets up five slightly separate starting paths, including a fifth path that is more neutral and streamlined. If you want to really care about your family and be a good person, you can run right off after a clue. If you want to not care about anyone but yourself, also fine. With room in-between.
This would all work best with the fate of your family not being certain until you choose to pursue it. Unless you either know exactly what to do or run straight to objectives it will be a while until you get to the big plot reveal that your kid (who loves you) or your neighbors kid (who hates you for cheating) is in charge of the institute. It would also make MUCH more senSe if the kid is NOT a stupid little infant. Early Teens with references to them being good at science makes some sense, instead of them just inexplicably being in charge.
Could go on, but I think from there the rest of the game doesn’t need to be changed. The main questline can work just about the same. I don’t think anyone else ever gives a shit about you and your family.
Not quite accurate.
I mean, you will always be [Insert Occupation Here] in any RPG.
You will always going to do [Insert ultimate Quests here (Kill Benny, Get GECK, Kill The Master, ] in any RPG.
Fallout 4 fails to deliver the Illusion of choices like in New Vegas for example, 2-3 Skill/Speech Checks to do the exact same thing or to get the same information or extra piece of dialogue that ultimately did nothing.
@@IMBREISGAU I think you missed my point a little, but I agree.
You have that because that's a product of games needing to give players purpose. To increase appeal, Which a lot of players need to push them in the world. Which isn't a bad thing, but for me good RPG's vs bad RPG's is how far can I distance myself from [insert occupation here] role.
FNV has limits for sure, but also pretty crazy the different things you can do, given the time it was made and why good writing is super important. Why I use FNV as a good example is because I can distance myself from being a courier. Also there's so many reasons and characters types that fit into that role, I could've been doing a week or years, my brother gave me a tip of someone making a grand delivery with a lot of caps involved. Maybe I stole the chip. Maybe I killed the courier that came before. Plus the occupation or having something to call the player also helps with writing, the NPC's can't call you by the characters name, so they have to think of ways in which a character in world would call you. But that's where the creativity comes in.
I would LOVE a game to release that didn't have any set up and just dropped you into the world full of lore quests and said 'figure it out who you want to be', I think a lot of people are hungry for an RPG like that. The appeal of D&D is you're limited by your imagination with your set up, Skyrim with mods you can really make something special, the amount of possibilities for RP is insane. It's a shame no RPG is made like that and shows what could be possible. Bethesda has this formula, there's is no game out there like Bethesda games.
@@FumblsTheSniper That sounds cool, but I think still too much set up and creativity best suited for fleshing out the world, I would've just cut the whole sequence and have you start anywhere in world like Stalkers Sandbox mod anomaly. Just exploring the world and interacting with factions and such. This is more simulation territory, which I think RPG's thrive in. But then we blur what an RPG is, which if we take D&D as the reference when we talk about RPG's it fits very well with what you can do in immersive sim games or the game Project Zomboid which is great for RP. That said I've noticed I gravitate towards games that don't sell well so maybe I'm wrong in what makes a 'good' game meaning a game that amasses a vast quantity of people's attention and purchase.
But I'm just being grumpy that FO4 didn't meet my expectations and I don't hate on anyone that likes that game, I really wish I could also, things are better when you enjoy them :P But yeah man haha I could go on also XD
@@FumblsTheSniper This is offering role-playing without sacrificing the story the obviously wanted to tell. Its perfect
So close to a million views. Keep up the great work!
What a great video, summarises the game perfectly. I appreciate the hours that must have gone into this , very well done
The Brotherhood: We preserve technology
Also The Brotherhood: *destroys the Institute*
They preserve technology that doesn't go too far like nukes or artificial humans.
@@poleybear914 they use the mini nuke launcher "fat man" they use nukes
There's a lot of hypocrisy with the various factions in Fallout...they like the things they like, when those things suit their purposes. When they don't, they're evil and should be suppressed or destroyed.
@@K40005 There's a big difference between tactical nukes and and strategic nuclear weapons, you know
@@xKazimirx and dont they nuke half the commonwealth if you finish their storyline or does that count as just a big explosion and not a nuke let's be real its highly inconsistent at best
Some of the game details are incredible. Recently found a group of mongrel dog at a random encounter location. Observed them from a distance using my weapons scope, and the they acted like real dog, like rolling on the ground, playing with each other
the bandit you find burying another bandit is real great too
havent gotten it in my game but theres this girl whos about 13 that you can find travelling a lone road with a sentry bot named Gus. random events n shit like that are the best
@@anarkxi I ran away when first time found her, terrified by Gus, thought they are enemy, Gus also is the first sentry bot I saw (never knew there's also one at the robotic scrapyard that time)
well now i don't wanna kill them anymore
U guys probably think the baseball bat shop guy is funny.
something that the Minutemen could've been used for was altering the Institute story line. No mattering what path you choose Shaun sees the Wasteland as this abominable realm of despair and chaos. however if Bethesda were competent at writing they could've made it so the Minutemen could change his mind. you do enough quests for them that unite settlements, clearing out raider and mutant camps to populate them with civil people and perhaps all of that could make it so Shaun sees the Wasteland as this flourishing beacon of hope. and after seeing all of this, he would wish to help the people of the Commonwealth and your quests within the Institute would be based around creating new facilities in the Commonwealth that would give benefits to cities, towns, and settlements. or maybe even settling political and civil unrest. perhaps you can do missions that involve settling the paranoia surrounding synths and abductions. there could've been so much more potential revolving around the Minutement, and considering how small and insignificant they seem at first glance, a person avoiding them or just refusing to help them would make sense because nobody expects such a small faction to be able to make such a large difference.
Interesting idea - what you are hitting here is what the video notes, namely the story is very linear and your choices just don't seem to matter. What should have been done was a bunch of potentially intertwining branches that can have different results.
Interesting indeed, maybe they should’ve made him a little younger aswell. The old man thing is weird. It might have been more interesting to come across a younger Shaun who has only just become leader dealing with all the politics of people who feel like they should’ve been. And if you can convince Shaun to change his ways a civil war breaks out in the institute. Only problem is the brotherhood though they wouldn’t just let the institute slide
I think the minutemen story would be improved by adding more variety in settlement building. Maybe have a few unique missions for each settlement to help get them up and running and once these were done and the settlement was built to a certain point it had an impact on the surrounding area.
I also think the minutemen/institute rivalry could have started with 1 or multiple synths taking refuge at one of the settlements which the institute attack. Potentially a mission which could be part of both factions storylines.
if the railroad fit more of an infiltration mindset, where to gain standing and their end you had to fulfil side objectives while doing the BoS & Institute quests it would have been a good plot, such as getting elder maxson assassinator to throw the BoS out of wack while sabotaging the reactor for the institute
This video was really well made. Unlike fallout 4's dialogue system.
There is one logical way for the minutemen to side against the institute. You can do the battle of bunker hill for the institute (free the synths against Shaun’s will) and quit the faction once he questions you.
I sided with the Minutemen, they are my favourite faction amongst the four, but I don’t recall the institute attacking me, nor why I had to invade the institute as the Minutemen. It was the Brotherhood who attacked me, which where laughably easy because the Castle was my main settlement.
@@Wookie_oo7 They attack you after you get a certain number of settlements. Remember they want to keep the commonwealth divided, and a strong Sole Survivor clearing out the wasteland and untied settlements is the thing they fear most. Especially with you having inside knowledge about how they operate. But if you haven't seen the mission where they attack, just UA-cam "defend the castle".
You know, if the twist was "you were a synth all along" and have naritive building around I think it could have worked.
Love that Codsworth dialogue about polishing rust. One of my favorite lines
The first time the airship comes in and the theme plays gave me goosebumps
It almost evokes the intro to StarCraft Brood War.
3:05 I've always found the voice acting and mediocore because it just detaches you from the character really sure the preformance in the dead wife moment works but I don't care about generic spouse number 335 and then his comments about the roaches and the like are intrusive
16:00 But the dogmeat bit is a bit dumb like how if you've never interacted with the dog nick whisles and half a wasteland away a random dog hears it comes and nick and meat act like best buds
20:15 I don't know I'd say its standard and very predictable really as its just a primary plot element in most frozen in time plot lines that and bethesda's writing is very predictable
35:00 When your password is the same as your username
37:29 another point...If we destroy the institute there will never be any new synths making the rail road redundant...That and if you are already director man then you have unlimited power within the institute to reform and change aspects
43:20 The only time killing old man shaun would make sense would be when you first meet him and you shoot him on sight out of anger for kidnapping your son other than that context it just doesn't work
I still think it could be kinda cool if Shawn was The Lone Wonderer’s grandfather. It would explain how James is so tech savvy. He would have spent time in the institute and wanted to take what he learned and try to start Project Purity. Plus both Shawn and James are Irish Names. And then it would tie the returning Fallout 3 characters to the Sole Survivor in a round about way. That’s at least my head cannon, anyway.
They would fit with 1 and 2 where in the sequel you play their grandchild
And also fill in some gaps as to where James used to be before he had a kid
@@alexf0723 exactly. It would go to explain how he got all that science experience.
Fallout is such an amazing series but I totally agree. 4 lacked in a lot of areas, it had great promise but wasn't executed properly. New Vegas will always be my favorite. Can't wait til we get fallout 5.
I don't think Fallout 5 will come out until the 2030's honestly.
@@davidfitzgerald3201 with how 76 was made I either feel the franchise is dead or the next game is gonna be so bad you wish they left it to die.
2:54 The Great War is about to end not begin.
but I appreciate your work. keep it up.
Good narration, and a fine take on the "main" story. However you have overlooked the true story of Fallout 4. The Silver Shroud! This is the the true story of FO4, from your becoming The Shroud, growing into the role, saving a friend from evil and having a final showdown with The Mechanist. That is the real reason to go back to this game. I for one look forward to a video going on that journey. Keep up the good work.
I recently started playing Fallout 4 and I've been a Fallout Geek for years and I have to say it does leave alot to be desired, but in no way is it a bad game just lackluster. My personal criticisms of the game is
1. The soundtrack is just ripped from Fallout 3. I really enjoy the new songs they've added. Wished they put Bobby Darin and even some 70's songs to add some twist on the whole 50's style, gets repetitive.
2. The execution of the story was so underwhelming. I know New Vegas was a different entity, Bethesda should have took some notes on how that game was able to present so many different kinds of choices to the player to essentially create their own story. Also throw in some politics and philosophy.
3. The main character. Really a mess that can't represent the player or immerse them fully in the game. I hate a good chunk of the dialog options cause I don't know how my character is gonna respond and I hate how most of the encounters are set up. Yesterday I came across a guy trying to kill a synthetic and I tried to talk him out of it but I failed every speech check and the only options left were to kill the guy or kill the synth. Fallout 4 is really lacking in options and I always have to go about them in ways I really dislike.
Pretty sure that failing the "speech checks" doesn't affect the outcome
The only way to get a different result is to be part of the Institute, at which point the imposter outright admits the truth and waits smugly for the Sole Survivor to do what's necessary
@@davidhong1934 it probably didn't, but I was complaining about lack of options. Just as you said it wouldn't affect the outcome in anyway unless you were part of The Institute. That was my mini critique of the game though, Fallout 4 is my all time favorite Fallout game.
The quick save at the end killed me
She might be mediocre but goddamn do I love it
The weird part about giving you power armor that early is that even with the deathclaw, it's not necessary thanks to the areas level design.
It could be a max level, legendary deathclaw and still could have been cheesed from the corner building.
The Institute is my favourite example of 'A stupid person's idea of a smart person'
You are 100% correct about all the factions. The game would have been better if they focused on the brotherhood and the institute and how they mirror each other. Which is something they bring up but never expand on.
I love the power armor system in this game, every single playthrough I do somehow involves a power armor build
It’s been a long time since I’ve played, but I think you can get tracked onto the minute man ending without randomly killing Institute NPCs. If I remember right, it’s done by siding against the Institute at bunker hill, then meeting Shaun on the roof of the CIT building and picking certain dialogue.
or ater in the institute questline, they ask you to retrieve a guy, if you are the general then the minuteman will be protecting him, if you side with the minuteman you will be banned
Yo can also just refuse to join the Institute altogether and leave after you first met Father.
Yknow man I think your in an amazing category here on UA-cam. Along side others like Joseph Anderson, wendigoon and many others these long game reviews and in depth dive format videos are quickly becoming my “comfort food” if you will here on UA-cam. And this video wAs a wonderful one. Thank you for this masterpiece you’ve more then earned a sub and I will be watching the rest of what you have. PS your halo video was great too
I've played this beginning part 100s of times. The beginning was 👌
When I first played the last section of the main story it really hit hard for me, I was emotionally invested in finding my son, and was getting the railroad to help me and in turn I was helping them, however after the battle of bunker hill. I had a conversation with my son and honestly the conversation with Shaun on top of the building was kinda heartbreaking for me, I didn’t want to betray Shaun but I couldn’t help the institute, so I had an open and honest conversation with him, it was just a fantastic scene. After that I was kicked out of the institute and couldn’t finish the railroad quest,
Then I could either go to the brother hood(which didn’t sit right with me) or the I ask my friend’s at the minutemen’s help, so I asked the Preston for help, and went from there,
So for me the mixture of railroad then minutemen for me was my favourite ending,
Love these types of videos it’s nice to see somebody put this much effort into them
Fallout 4 was my first ever Fallout game. So I have a heavy bias towards this game. With that being said, its flaws are obvious. Although I would never as a casual Fallout fan, bother playing the previous entries, just to get into the lore. People like Shoddycast and Oxhorn have already done a fantastic job with filling people like me, who also joined in FO4, in on the lore and legacy.
You should at least play new Vegas fantastic game heavily recommend low intelligence build
@@JoshPlaysVideoGames man the low int builds are great. That and the different choices for the ending are as well
@@JoshPlaysVideoGames Don't even bother with kids nowadays lol they cant handle our aged games as well since its rough on their 720p mind 💀
Dude I thought the same thing but then I played the older games and ruined f4 for me. But thats a good thing, fnv and f3 are better than f4 but that doesn't f4 is shit either. I still play f4 even after basically ruining it for myself after playing fnv and f3
@@TheReZisTLust i would play the older fallouts but ps now sucks ass, the furthest i got into FONV is running into what were they, the powder gangers from goodsprings, and running into the legion at that one town where they burned it, forgot what it was called
That Fucking Virgil quest in survival mode is a pain my my ass! Literally Bethesda thought- “We should make the player go halfway across the map, then we should make them backtrack into the glowing sea for this quest.” 😑
I just cheat to fast travel across the glowing sea anyway in survival
Always went partly into the brotherhood questline for the flares. Always fly back to the city. Survival can be a slog but I like the immersion.
About the power armor training not being required in this game. Nate was military and was even scheduled to make a speech as a war veteran the day the bombs fell, so he probably knew how to operate PA. I don't know why Nora is also able to though, since she was a lawyer, but one could argue that coming from a time before the bombs fell she is much more used to operating high tech equipment than people born in the wasteland.
This is really small but I noticed it on my last playthrough. On the part about Kellogg speaking through nick and the game never mentioning it again, one or more of the dialogue options has nick explain that Amari told him there may be some temporary after-effects from the equipment. The Kellogg in his mind probably faded soon after or something like that.
The story of this game absolutely gripped me at the time. It was my introduction to the fallout universe and I haven’t been as deeply enthralled in a universe since. Now when I replay it I can’t believe how many stupid bugs and plot holes I easily looked past and I don’t think I’ll ever enjoy it as much as I did the first couple times I played through the story.
The only way a game can be good is for its story, So I can't enjoy it again.
@@robertdowling4673 I mean, that totally discounts a LOT of older games... Racing games as a whole end up basically gone, so do arcade games, a LOT of casually fun games as well are just abandoned with that mindset... Gameplay makes a game, story makes it better.
@@Waskomsause don't like racing games, a ton of older games, and besides strategy games and a couple of games and maybe Minecraft (although thats mainly out of nostalgia and community) I only really like story games. the story is what makes a game. gameplay just makes it better. That's the sole reason I liked fallout 4. for its story. to say it has a bad story is saying its bad.
@@Waskomsause also would you like fallout nv as much if it wasn't for the story. then you know how I fell.
Fallout 4 was my 1st game of the franchise, so when I saw that everyone hated it and claimed the others were better, I decided to check them out. I liked the older ones more for the story, but still prefer 4's better combat and building settlements
It's not just story that is better in the previous games, it's character building and role playing that is far better. 4 does have better combat but it should as it came out 7 years after 3.
same played fallout 4 as the first game of the franchise after that play new vegas and 3 but still prefer 4
@@BruhBruh-mk5yg that is just straight up sad
@@BruhBruh-mk5yg You have awful taste
@@slynt_ New Vegas fans when other fallout player prefer other fallout games be like:
What an amazing year for video games. 2015 was incredible, I'll never forget it. Witcher 3, mgs5 and fallout 4! Even though the story was weak I loved the exploration and gameplay.
MGSV and Fallout 4 are both disappointing games. Witcher 3 is a masterpiece.
Add The Order, Dying light, and Mad Max to the list. So many good games.
As a long time fallout player, fallout 4 isn’t even a terrible game I just think the biggest issue is that fallout 4 was designed to be a game for new players where as most of the others were designed to the fallout fan base
Even though fallout 4 was my first intro into fallout, nothing can beat Fnv even with its flaws
In my opinion the problem with Fallout 4’s story is it’s urgency. In the beginning of the game you saw your family destroyed, your son kidnapped. As a parent the logical thing to do is to stop at nothing to save your child.
Because of this backstory, it does not make sense for your character to explore the world freely (if you intend to follow the story). While in New Vegas, your character does not remember who he/she was. The only thing that you are suggested to do is to find the person that tried to kill you and find out who you were. You can choose to ignore that and just explore the world, and that decision can still make sense.
Yep, FO4 is a textbook example of how to completely DESTROY plot pacing. I can only make sense of this by pretending the main character is a generation 3.5 synth from the institute, sent into the world to test how effective planted memories are at shaping their personality (not very effective/lasting at all). Codsworth and initial game until Sanctuary is just fake memories, with player just booted up right after the bright lights on the elevator. The experiment backfires and the 3.5 synth has no control chip so it can't be shut down, which may or may not destroy the institute. Maybe they just decide to fool around with sim settlements or power armor, who knows :D