Corruption is in different churches irrespective of the denomination. Whether you persecute the Roman Catholic Church or another denomination the fact remains that we are all one in Christ.
@@acrxsls1766Protestants believes the same, Outside of the Church there is no salvation. What church that is?? Well that’s the church that we are all part of spirituality regardless of your denomination. Jesus says that those that do the will of the Father are his brothers, sisters, and mothers. One spiritual family. Now in addition, the Latin Roman Church indeed teaches since the council of Trent that there is no salvation outside of the church. But don’t forget that in the 2nd Vatican Council Protestants are now separated brothers. You can’t call us heretics anymore and there is now a “maybe” or posible chance there could be salvation outside of the Roman Church. Understand your Magisterium.
Not really since Protestantism started in the 16th Century and Roman Catholicism started somewhat around 1054 AD. So no, all must come home to Eastern Orthodoxy ☦️. The young man making this video is Eastern Catholic, so he rejects the Filioque (The Great Schism of 1054 AD and venerates St Gregory Palamas). For our loved ones who died outside of Orthodoxy, prayer for them daily.
@@FaithfulComforter I have brothers in Christ Jesus that are Eastern Orthodox. Great Christian. Many that I know are not sectarian like most in the East. I truly respect that Eastern Orthodox are the only Christinas to follow all 7 ecumenical councils perfectly. But as Protestants that’s not what saves you. But only believing in the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Many of the Eartern Orthodox I know I consider broters. Others only care about their traditions which some cannot be supported by the first 400 years of Church history.
Absolutely, but you still fall short. Not because of anything on Jesus's part. God will make sure even the desire to sin is erased before coming to heaven
@@most_rustic_patrickto say I fall short after being cleansed by the blood of Christ is to say Christ fell short on the cross. Either his sacrifice means something or it doesn’t. You can’t just flip flop to support heretical doctrine.
@Southernstereotype If I gave you a car, and said "this car is yours for free (his sacrifice), just be sure to maintain it (the multiple verses on repentance, acceptance, and avoidance of sin)" and you wreck it next year (adultery, blasphemy, murder). Would you tell others "the car shouldn't be totaled because he gave me a free working car?" How many Christians become atheists later in life, do you think them denying the existence of our Savior is ok because they got baptized once apon of time?
@@lucas____________ Hebrews 9:27 King James Version 27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: there’s no death and then waiting and then judgment its death and then judgment
Literally. I love my Catholic broyhers but he always goes so hard on Protestants like they have something more wrong going on. You're both good on some stuff and not great on others. No church is perfect.
As an eastern orthodox, catholic indulgences were and still are worse than us. Our indulgences were rarely mandatory. The church never asked money and in the moments they did, it was just to help poor people here.
Don't forget all the stake burnings they did. I've seen some of his class, but never heard him mention burning Protestants at the stake, maybe you can tell us about the famous Catholic bloody marry
Then you deny the Father's immutability that one cannot see him without being sanctified before seeing Him. Otherwise you would die if you were imperfect. That is why this is fallacious reasoning.
exactly ! we were cleansed the moment we put our faith in Christ's work on the cross! anything added to his finished work is stating that you have the power to cleanse yourself or add to your salvation. Salvation is God centered! Saved by the grace of God Saved from the wrath of God Saved for the glory of God
if the Church never officially supported the sale of plenary indulgences, then why did the Pope go after Martin Luther so hard for speaking out against them? shouldn't the Pope have been *thankful* to Luther for bringing attention to it?
At that point Luther wasn't looking to leave the Roman Catholic church. Instead he wantes it to reform indulgences. Luther saw how the practice was being abused in order to raise money. The Pope at the time was very much involved. Many of the grand buildings in the Vatican were paid for by the same indulgences that lead to the reformation. Its very suspicious that the Roman Catholic church burned people alive in order to stop the production and distribution of translated bibles people could read/listen to in their own language.
@@nada.830The Catholic Church was speaking Heresy. Martin Luther read the Bible and realized the Catholic Church was full of BS and was not following the Bible.
@@MonarchEAS but who created the bible Bro??? Inspired by God, compiled by the church. There is no such thing as sola scriptura or perdonal interpetration of the bible, because If we do, o csn prove rn that Elijah was abudcted by an ufo or smt like that. We need tradition, tradition that IS prior to the bible and tradition that comes from the church. Im not Roman catholic, but anything is best tham this newborn thing so called protestantism that is heresy. And i agree aswell that the Roman catholic church had and has some heresy, but protestantism is an entre heresy.
@@nada.830 Protestants are not an entire heresy. The Bible was inspired by God but the disciples of Jesus Christ were also eyewitnesses. The Bible is a historical document with corroborating accounts of Jesus. Human tradition is human tradition. It has nothing to do with God at all. We celebrate things like Christmas and Easter but none of it is required by God. It is just human tradition.
There is nothing on earth that we can do that will make us clean or un corrupted, hence why we need Jesus to die and rise again to cleanse us of those sins and if we accept his offer of forgiveness we are changed spiritually so we can be allowed into heaven, if it was earthly works then God could just say nah I don’t want you into heaven and there would be nothing we could do about it for all have fallen short of the glory of God and only Jesus can make us holy and blameless in the eyes of God “for I am the way the truth and the life non come to the father except through me.”
Yes and the church is so deeply connected that when paul was persecuting the church God had said why are you persecuting me. Not why are you persecuting the church. That being the catholic church
@@thund3r94 We ask them to pray for us as they are in direct communication with God in heaven, all prayers are to be directed towards Him as a prayer is in essence, a holy request
@@calmite literally just pray to God, why ask for intersession when you can pray DIRECTLY to him, he’s God so even if you pray to the saints he already knows what you have prayed so there’s literally no point in doing that
As a Catholic, I agree with this. The first King of England (King William I) built Westminster Abbey (a Cathedral in London which is used for coronating Kings and Queens of England) for the Catholic Church to make sure he didn’t go to hell and received a full “indulgence”. The Pope approved of this practise and is largely why Lutherans exist BECAUSE of the corruption which went on with the Catholic Church and European Monarchies.
The Pope approved it, and the Pope could have prevented the split of the protestant church if the Catholic Church had done away with the indulgences and other corrupt practices at the time. Luther didn't want to leave the Catholic Church and even after he knew protestants could not be unified to the Catholic Church he sought to unify with the "Greek"(aka Orthodox) Church
It was the Catholic church that cam close to wiping out the Christian church before God sent the reformation as Jesus promised the gates of hell would not prevail against His church.
Your sugar coating greatly it was german princes that wanted to be away it was 100% political backing. Theologically and practices are another topic Charity as a indulgence was approved but it was the abuses that derivied from it because anything with money will get people to act up hence why they remove because it was to great of a temptation for people tl abuse
The pope could not have stopped anything as Christ promised the gates of hell would not prevail against His church and the Catholic church came close to wiping out the Christian church, as such God sent the reformation.
@@IndianaJonesTDH No indulgence of ANY kind should be "approved". Who on earth did they think they were? Supposed to be servants of God but were just raking it in. The good Lord never charged a dime to forgive sins. Indeed he paid for our sins with his life. And many protestant martyrs died too for daring to raise it as an issue. I'm RC but I tell you, the church has a LOT to answer for. Then and now.
This is outright wrong. Johann Tetzel was a member of the Dominicans and specialized in the sale of indulgences. When the Archbishop of Mainz acccumulated too much debt, the Archbishop asked him to sell indulgences on behalf of the church of Mainz to fix his debt problem. He was so effective that Pope Leo (...yknow the leader of the Catholic Church) asked him to sell indulgences to fund St. Peter's Basilica. And not just any indulgences, but special indulgences which directly PARDONED a man of his earthly sins. So to say it was a "few bad apples" or something akin to that is flat out wrong. The POPE literally took part in it. And this wasn't about lessening a persons time in purgatory. They were selling indulgences to "Excise" people of their sins in this world... something which (I might be wrong about my theology here) they CAN NOT DO.
Yeah, there were always sinful men in the church. Our very first pope denied he even knew Jesus three times. It is a few bad apples. It doesn't serve an anti-Catholic argument to cite sins - even a pope's sins. I don't think the Protestant tradition should be dismissed simply because Protestants tor churred and mer derred innocent women during the Salen Which Trials. Silliness to do so
"Indulgences pardoned for SINS1!" is kinda crazy cause there's a thing the Catholic Church has for specifically that. It's called confession. It's always open, you can go there whenever your free as long as you have a church near you :)
@basedropeist6617 No, indulgences never pardoned sins. Indulgences are only designed to help a soul - that had already been forgiven - get through purgatory.
Ephesians 2:8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast. Not by works brother
This is usually said to disprove the doctrine of Catholicism. But I have to ask, what doctrine? As far as I know, there is no Catholic doctrine that says “works = saved” or “faith + works = saved” because it is not Catholic teaching.
@@crispminer come on man, even catholics accept it was a rampant abuse of power and manipulation of theologically illiterate worshippers. Was it enough to lead to a split? No but the abuse was rampant.
@ well it doesn’t, because it doesn’t talk about purgatory in the first place… it’d make more sense if I asked you, where does the Bible actually say purgatory?
Bro that is some rewriting of history. Pope Leo X issued the papal bull "Exsurge Domine" in 1520, which condemned the errors of Martin Luther, including his teachings against indulgences. While the bull did not explicitly say that indulgences should be sold, it upheld the Church's authority to grant indulgences and implicitly supported the practices at the time, which included the sale of indulgences. The Catholic Church officially addressed the issue during the Council of Trent (1545-1563). The council reformed the practice of indulgences, eliminating the abuses associated with their sale. The Council decreed that while indulgences are valid and can be granted by the Church, they should not be sold. Had they had the council of trent at the time of the 95 thesis was written, with Luther invited to participate, it may avoided the schism with protestanism. But they waited 25 years.
No they wouldn't have avoided "excommunication" rather than "schism" as you put it because that wasn't the only reason he was excommunicated, he also wanted to marry a nun and removed books from the Bible, here are 50 reasons as to why luther was excommunicated in 1521: I'm not presently trying to defend the rightness or wrongness of Catholic teaching, but rather, demonstrating that Luther was “heterodox” or “heretical” by the criterion of Catholic teaching. Based directly on statements in these two works, I summarize below how Luther was indisputably heterodox by 1520: judged by existing Catholic theological standards. 1. Separation of justification from sanctification. 2. Extrinsic, forensic, imputed justification. 3. Fiduciary faith. 4. Private judgment over against ecclesial infallibility. 5. Rejection of seven deuterocanonical books. 6. Denial of venial sin. 7. Denial of merit. 8. Sola Scriptura and radically private judgment: “if we are all priests . . . why should we not also have the power to test and judge what is right or wrong in matters of faith?” 9. Denial that the pope has the right to call a council. 10. Only justified men can do good works. 11. Denial of the sacrament of ordination. 12. Denial of exclusively priestly absolution. Anyone in the Christian community can grant absolution. 13. God has not instituted the office of bishop. 14. God has not instituted the office of the papacy. 15. Priests have no special, indelible character. 16. Temporal authorities have power over the Church; even bishops and popes: “The pope should have no authority over the emperor”. 17. Vows of celibacy are wrong and should be abolished. 18. Denial of papal infallibility. 19. Unrighteous priests or popes lose their authority. 20. The keys of the kingdom were not just given to Peter. 21. Private judgment of every individual to determine matters of faith. 22. Denial that the pope has the right to confirm a council. 23. Denial that the Church has the right to demand celibacy of certain callings. 24. God has not instituted the vocation of monk 25. Feast days should be abolished. 26. Fasts should be strictly optional. 27. Canonization of saints is thoroughly corrupt and should stop. 28. Confirmation is not a sacrament. 29. Indulgences should be abolished. 30. Dispensations should be abolished. 31. Philosophy (Aristotle as prime example) is an unsavory, detrimental influence on Christianity. 32. Transubstantiation is “a monstrous idea.” 33. The Church cannot institute sacraments. 34. Denial that the Mass is a good work. 35. Denial that the Mass is a true sacrifice. 36. Denial of the sacramental notion of ex opere operato. 37. Denial that penance is a sacrament. 38. Assertion that the Catholic Church had “completely abolished” the practice of penance. 39. Claim that the Church had abolished faith as an aspect of penance. 40. Denial of apostolic succession. 41. Any layman who can should call a general council. 42. Penitential works are worthless. 43. The seven sacraments lack any biblical proof. 44. Marriage is not a sacrament. 45. Annulments are a senseless concept and the Church has no right to grant them. 46. Whether divorce is allowable is an open question. 47. Divorced persons should be allowed to remarry. 48. Jesus allowed divorce when one partner committed adultery. 49. The priest’s daily office is “vain repetition.” 50. Extreme unction is not a sacrament (the only two sacraments are baptism and the Eucharist). NCR.
I am not sure where I said it would have avoided excommunication over schism. I don't disagree with any of your points regarding the papal bull of 1520 where Luther was excommunicated for heretical views. My point is had the Church called a council in 1518, instead of calling Luther to Rome, it may have avoided a schism. Leo X did not "read the room" by realizing the political climate had changed to that of his predecessors who could kill a heretic and move on ad they had done with Jan Hus, Jerome of Prague, Girolamo Savonarola, and William Tyndale. Luther became more heretical (vocal?) in his teaching in response to the church ignoring his demands or perhaps emboldened by the freedom of the the Germanic princes protection which allowed Luther to veer further in his criticism of Church practice as his predecessors had. By the time the Papal Bull for excommunication was written, 3 years had passed by in a powder keg of poltical maneuvering which meant very little. The council of trent may have satisfied Luther in 1518, but it was way too late a response. Or more importantly itau have satisfied the populace at large, causing Luther to lose popularity. Either way this was a miscalculation by the Catholic Church.
So tell me how the Pope influenced the Church in India and helped with its growth? Or is St. Thomas a joke of an Apostle to you? You realize THEY WERE INDEED GIVEN THE KEYS TO THE KINGDOM, CORRECT? Reason 20, Lutherfer was actually correct on that point, believe it or not. Too many Catholics are DANGEROUSLY lukewarm. Repent and seek the Orthodox Church@@dhilonstephan
Wild to think the Reformation was only, mainly, or even largely about indulgences. It was because Luther and the rest thought they understood scripture better than the Catholics.
I will never understand how you can say you need something between earth and heaven to enter heaven. That something is JESUS. I greatly admire and respect many aspects of the Catholic faith and my Catholic brothers and sisters, but Jesus is the only way. Nothing else can “cleanse” us.
They didn't approve selling indulgences for profit. Donations for a cathedral is charitable. It wasn't to benefit those collecting the funds, it was for future generations of the faithful.
In the early 16th century, the Catholic Church did indeed authorize the sale of indulgences to raise money for the construction of St. Peter's Basilica in Rome. Pope Leo X sanctioned this practice, and Johann Tetzel, a German monk, became particularly well-known for his role in selling these indulgences. This practice was intended to fund the extensive and expensive construction project of the basilica, which brought together some of the greatest artists and architects of the time, such as Michelangelo, Bramante, Bernini, and Raphael. Once Luther posted his thesis, Pope Leo X issued the papal bull "Exsurge Domine" in 1520, which condemned the errors of Martin Luther, including his teachings against indulgences. While the bull did not explicitly say that indulgences should be sold, it upheld the Church's authority to grant indulgences and implicitly supported the practices at the time, which included the sale of indulgences. According to Ginny Justice in her thesis "The Role of Indulgences in the Building of New Saint Peter’s Basilica," the primary funding for the early stages of the basilica's construction came from the sale of indulgences. This practice was officially sanctioned by the Church. The Bridwell Library holds a unique copy of a 1507 Latin indulgence specifically issued to raise funds for St. Peter’s Basilica. This document confirms that indulgences were sold to finance the basilica, supporting the scholarly consensus on this matter. bridwell.omeka.net/exhibits/show/luther/antecedents/stpeterindulgence www.themorgan.org/exhibitions/online/word-and-image/3
@@ServusRegis add on that the Council of Trent condemned any form of financial transaction related to indulgences and called for the abolition of all forms of "evil traffic" in them. The Council affirmed the validity of indulgences but sought to correct the practices that had led to widespread scandal and criticism. In 1567, following the Council's decrees, Pope Pius V took further action by officially canceling all grants of indulgences that involved any fees or financial transactions, thereby eliminating the commercial aspect of indulgences that had caused much of the controversy during the Reformation. Pope Leo could have condemned the sale of indulgences as an immediate response Luther’s objections which would have supported the current catholic teaching. He thought Luther could be killed as a heretic and misread the mood of the world at that time.
"never approved of selling indulgences"?!?!?! But, Flex, that's how they financed the building of St. Peter's Basilica in the Vatican ... and sparked the Protestant Reformation in the process. It's an art form to witness how you minimise the colossal sins committed by and with the approval of the Roman Catholic Church. Question: at your next confession will own up to breaking one of the Ten Commandments in this episode?
Catholics never own up to their Church's crimes. Everything is a misunderstanding or can be explained away, when they're not just flat out lying. Biggest lot of idolaters, worshipping their clergy more than God.
Many Catholics don't know that indulgence cannot erase sins but the temporal punishment for sins. We can only receive indulgence from our good works only after our mortal sins are forgiven. Indulgence is described in paragraph 1471 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church "An indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven..."
@Circa_2nd ok I see the confusion. Respectfully, you are ignorant of the topic. I would recommend researching indulgences to figure out what they actually are. I would be glad to explain it too. Did the church sell indulgences? No. It was always prohibited as it is the sin of simony. Those guilty of such a sin are excommunicated. Did individual people demand money for indulgences and holy things? Yes. But, the number of them confirmed are below 20. They were excommunicated. So no, the church never sold indulgences, and still never do. Indulgences are something God gave us through the church, through His mercy. Something I attempt to take advantage of often
@Circa_2nd it was a Wikipedia search I did awhile back. It listed the clerics who did so. I would challenge you to find evidence of how widespread it was. Because most sources don’t list any people, or misunderstand indulgences so much that they think donating to the construction of st.peter’s constitutes buying an indulgence.
well it was cosigned by the pope at that time, it was only later revealed because the protestant churches was gaining popularity. just as the current pope cosigned marriage between gay couples as legitimate.
@jm6456 well the wording is a bit weird what the pope actually means, but catholic priests can bless gay couples, they just can't do weddings or any of those ritual things which is a very odd decision. because blessing a union is approving of it. and it was designed to make the church more "inclusive" even though it still states that gay people can't get married. and well the selling of indulgences being approved by the pope, all you have to do is look at the deal of albert of brandenburg and pope leo X and st.peters basilica. and there is other proof of selling of indulgences being approved by popes, namely the crusades, those who set out for crusades were given letters of indulgence but those who couldn't go were made to pay for them.
@jm6456 nice of you to clarify, as for unions, all it really says is that the pope gives the ok to bless same sex couples to priests and bishops, but it's not marriage or any of the sort which is why it's confusing, but long story short blessings are blessings and marriage is marriage. so gonna quote somethings to clarify. "The church "remains firm" in teaching that marriage can be contracted only between one woman and one man, he said, and continues to insist that "rites and prayers that could create confusion" about a marriage and another form of relationship "are inadmissible."" so they can bless them but not call it marriage.
When Luther sat down and read the Bible, he found contradictions between the rituals of the Catholic Church and the Bible. Since the Bible is the Word of God, he was convinced that the Catholic Church had migrated from orthowalking in the gospel. I can say that I find it strange that the Catholic Church charges for things like prayers. When I was in Quebec, I went to the basilica in Montrèal and found prayers on sale for $2 Canadian. With tables all around the outside of the basilica holding candles and credit card readers, I took a look around and mentally had the image of Jesus flipping over the tables there. I understand the context is different, but based on Jesus’s ministry, I am convinced that shoving giving in the face of people is taking away some of their autonomous decision to give. At our church, we don’t even pass offering platters around. We have a small box in the back that is never mentioned (and an online portal, yes). I don’t think that passing an offering platter is wrong, but I do think that requiring specific payments and rites contradicts one of Paul’s reoccurring statements: we’re saved by faith, not works. That doesn’t mean don’t give to your church, to nonprofits, etc, but it does mean that’s not what saves you, not in whole or in part. Jesus’s ultimate sacrifice on the cross is what saves us.
James 2:14-17 14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. Your verse u used as an argument simply defines that work alone do not save someone aka a nonbeliever
Only the finished work of Christ and His Holy Spirit “IN” you will seal you for eternity. You can’t rely on works to get into heaven. There is no purgatory…
Do unclean things enter heaven? Is every believer perfectly clean at the moment of death? No? Then some cleansing must happen after death, or in other words, purgatory.
Tell that to the guy on the cross who Jesus said will be with Him in paradise. It was his belief in Christ… not his works that allowed him into paradise “Then one of the criminals who were hanged blasphemed Him, saying, “If You are the Christ, save Yourself and us.” But the other, answering, rebuked him, saying, “Do you not even fear God, seeing you are under the same condemnation? And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds; but this Man has done nothing wrong.” Then he said to Jesus, “Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.” And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”” Luke 23:39-43 NKJV
@@inCHRiSTiamFREE you're at level 0 on a much deeper discussion. None of the modern Christian denominations believe in a works-based church. Your line of argument is wrong at 1st principles.
@@acrxsls1766 There were other reasons to, but this in one. I don't understand why everyone says protestants are heretics, we believe some things are different sure, but we're still Christian. One problem I have with Catholicism is the hierarchy. I understand he came from Peter, but the pope overstepped the line. There was a council, but the guy thought he was like a king. He was supposed to be the first umung Equals.
@@acrxsls1766 You're right. It was indulgences and all the other crimes and wrongdoings that Rome was responsible for. It's no wonder they protested it, as you should protest it now.
Dude talks like he doesn’t understand how Jesus’s atonement makes you white as snow. You have imputed righteousness. Imparted to you by Christ. To be absent from the body is to be Present with Christ.
Good video. If not the multitude of martyrs and various reformers and many godly people this abuse and spiritual crime would get to the next terrible level of evil and torture of people's lives. Indulgences were just the trigger for people to rise up against the corrupt organization then call catholic church. I'm so happy that suffering of hundreds of thousands of people did not pass in vain and even Catholic church straightened in many ways.
@@francescaderimini2931 I'm not trolling anyone or anything. As far as Muslims concerned, I differentiate people that believe in God thru quran and the islam with its muhammad and its teaching and quran... People did NOT have a choice to make whether to believe in the Bible and Its teachings and the Savior God Jesus Christ or in brought by terror islam. I respect all Muslim people but the ones that bring death and terror and abuse and slavery of mind.
Ephesians 2:8-9 says, "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not from you; it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so no one may boast"
Not necessarily when you realize that bt denying Purgatory you deny the Father's immutable traits of being too perfect for unclean souls, which is why the Arch of the Covenant vanquished the Israelites' enemies. Do you want to be burned alive for seeing the Father's Face? That's why Purgatory MUST exist.
As I said, there is no recognition of Jesus' unique all sufficient sacrifice. To believe in a non- scriptural purgatory is to blaspheme Christ. RC is not Christianity therefore.
@cherryt72 Good job strawmanning something you don't understand. Also Purgatory IS Biblical. It is in the Book of Revelation, and if you actually cared about the Apocrypha, you would know that it is necessary or otherwise you contradict the Book of Exodus.
@cherryt72 Roman Catholicism gave you the Holy Trinity. Therefore it is Christianity, simply not your erroneous understanding your understanding of it.
Purgatory is not a biblical concept but something instituted by the Catholic Church. When JESUS died on the Cross He died for ALL our sins. He made us clean by His atoning death. The Church sold indulgences to finance their building projects, allowing people to sin, citing that they had an indulgence to "forgive" their sin. This man needs to check his history.
Purgatory is merely the place where the effects of sin are cleansed…Jesus paid for our debt of sin, but that doesn’t mean we are somehow sinless are we?
@@AveChristusRex789 "On 4 August 1999, Pope John Paul II, speaking of purgatory, said: 'The term does not indicate a place, but a condition of existence.'"
Many still practice this. Alms and charity are 2 different things. Alms deeds are to the poor and cleanse the soul. Charity out of a pure heart is only after God has circumcised ur heart. And you can do the work he has called you to Do.
Let's be clear and stop blaming the Catholic Church for the actions of disobedient members! The Catholic Church does not now *_nor has it ever approved the sale of indulgences._*__This is to be distinguished from the undeniable fact __*_that individual Catholics_* (perhaps the best known of them being the German Dominican Friar Johann Tetzel [1465-1519]) did sell indulgences -- but in doing so *_they acted contrary to explicit Church regulations._* A person should never abandon Jesus's Church (Catholic) that He built for us, because of the Judases in the Church. Is this what Peter and the Apostles did when Judas (chosen by Jesus) betrayed Jesus? Is this what they did when heresies or sinful behavior arose in the various Parishes in the Catholic Church? No. They spoke against and corrected those behaviors and heresies when they found out. Pope Pius V put a stop to the illicit sale of indulgences, while he also affirmed the validity of indulgences themselves so long as no money was exchanged.
Reading of the New Testament will reveal that the Catholic Church does not have its origin in the teachings of Jesus or His apostles. In the New Testament, there is no mention of the papacy, worship/adoration of Mary (or the immaculate conception of Mary, the perpetual virginity of Mary, the assumption of Mary, or Mary as co-redemptrix and mediatrix), petitioning saints in heaven for their prayers, apostolic succession, the ordinances of the church functioning as sacraments, infant baptism, confession of sin to a priest, purgatory, indulgences, or the equal authority of church tradition and Scripture. We are not saved by sacraments; we are saved by faith. As one can see the origin of the Catholic Church is not in the teachings of Jesus and His apostles.
What do you mean Judases? That's a bitter statement to make. There was no way for anyone to make the blinkered popes at the time see the wrongs going on. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. Or else you got burned at the stake. Thank heavens for brave Luther and Calvin. Else it might be still going on today.
@squizza, you're thanking the "god" of this world (The father of all lies) instead of Our Lord Jesus. Those men did not obey Jesus and His teachings and commandments.
Má fé dizer que a Igreja vendia indulgências , pois era oferta para ajudar na construção da Basílica . Ouve um abuso em certas dioceses no pedido . Mas o Papa disse que pedir abusivamente seria excomungado .
There's no verse that uses the word purgatory. However there are verses of prayer for those who have died. Now, there would be no need to pray for the dead if they have already reached heaven which implies a place between heaven and earth.
Jesus taught purgatory: Luke 12: 42 - 48 first servant goes to heaven, second goes to hell, third and fourth are TEMPORARILY punished ('beaten' based on the gravity of their sins) = purgatory. :) God bless. Hope this helps.
@@low1ryda You mean the books that were added to the Jewish bible by the 'church'? The old testament was and is the Jewish Bible we just added that to the new testament. But somebody wanted to pretend like the Jewish bible had books that were not in it.
My brother in christ we did break off over nothing 1. just cause the church bever "supported it" even tho the popes during those periods were notoriously did nothing to stop it( I will say it wasn't all of them that did nothing I think there was like maybe two who tried to do something) 2. Martin Luther got literally hunted for pointing out that bs, so they definitely like selling em 3.jesus is the thing in-between, it was the whole point of him dying on the cross good deeds according to the Bible "our good deeds are like filthy rags to the lord" now does that mean you shouldnt do them no ,please do, it'd bring more people to christ or boost there faith plus there ain't no wrong in helping people I will say I personally believe that prostant church's and Christians need more tradition like you catholics and orthodox have but I disagree with how strict yall are about it, at this point yall just seem like the pharises who killed Jesus more concerned about looking good by doing good deeds while saying it's the only way to get into heaven when it's very clear that it's not and anyone who disagrees is a hectic or is simply to dumb to know what there talking about P.s now I come across mean here but I would just like to say I love all Christians regardless of their denamanation and non Christians obviously
Lol, my favorite letter is Luther's letter to his bishop, saying my parishioners are refusing to come to confession and / or are coming to confession telling me that they don't need it because they bought a piece of paper at market" one thing Christ commanded, the other the Church commanded.
I gotta give it to this guy and his devoted knowledge of his religion. Bc of him my heart has soften towards Catholics. I don't agree with half of what he says. But I do enjoy his articulate way of introducing us to his religion. Tons of Christians like myself could take some motivation from this guy. Bc the only sin that can't be forgiven is not being a child of the father. So we gotta love each other.
When nothing unclean enters heaven, your sinful body is left behind, and your soul is brought to the kingdom. God doesn't let you go to heaven if your body is unclean. He lets you go to heaven if your spirit is, And you are someone after God's own heart as God described David.
As a Catholic, I’m thinking indulgences but it could also be the enormous amount of cash given during the offertory over several hundred years. Either way the Catholic Church is rich when it comes to finances because it has been a church for 100’s of years
Purgatory is the devil's way of minimizing the value of the blood of Jesus, give a reason to keep on sinning and making the ignorant pay for loved ones to make sure that they earn their way to hell.
selling holy things for money has always been bad and the church has always said it’s wrong. therefore selling indulgences was a grave oversight that cost us a lot and should have never happened.
Eastern Orthodox may not have "indulgences", but they allow you to pray off certain sins by doing levstaki/kanons. You can also pay other people to pray those sins off for you, so definitely no way to exploit that, right?😂
Glad it's banned. However, I still see it being practiced here in our country (made business). And the worst part it, the priests don't say something about it!
The pope at the time was an Italian warlord locked in a death struggle with other warlords including the Holy Roman emperor well as having a need to finance St.Peter 's another Renaissance marvels.
Purgatory is actually the drip pan of the universe. anyone who was truly evil but believed they were righteous, anyone who was truly righteous but believed they were evil, or anyone who were so indecisive so that they never gave their soul to Any Being fall into that drip pan. Indulgences were the most honest the catholic church has ever been. I've had catholic missionaries say that they did not have issues with indulgences as they existed, but could not say why they were discontinued.
For all the protestants saying “Jesus is that cleansing” you don’t understand the argument the Catholic church makes. We are saying you do not believe in Christ when you do not follow His commands. Many will come to Christ saying they did His deeds and Christ says I do not know you.
It sounds a lot like the typical "God will let me in because im a good person and do more good than bad" argument. The Catholic church is saying that somehow Jesus covers us with His own perfect rightiousness, but we still need to do some salvifically meritorious actions to make sure that the work of Jesus can be completed. Kinda takes the power out of "It is finished". It essentially says that the once-for-all attonement that Jesus made for the complete forgiveness of our sins was not enough.
Brother, it isn't "some clergy"... Come home. You're practically there already. Reject the prideful church of Rome in full and be truly Orthodox Godspeed 🙏☦️
Psalm 49: 6-8 "Those who trust in their wealth, and boast in the multitude of their riches, none of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him - For the redemption of their souls is costly, and it shall cease forever." (Only Jesus Christ can save us)
Really? Here in the Philippines, why do we still give money to "pray for the souls in purgatory"? Donation boxes are everywhere. Heck, even candles are sold inside church premises.
I got very upset with my preist one sunday mass becuase the presit said as I hold the usher basket to help: do you want to go to heaven? then please donate to africa. this seemed a little bit offensive. and disappointing, asking people to buy their way into heaven.
For those of you who do not belive in purgatory, please let me know how you would interpret the following verses on your own: 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 Matthew 5:25 Matthew 12:32 Id like an honest interpretation, specifically with the greek interlinear
The Catholic church did A LOT of injustice on the native Americans in my country. I love Jesus but this hurt runs deep. My Grandmother was an alcoholic her whole life trying to forget what happened to her in the residential schools. Search up Canadian Residential schools.
The Bible says over and over again that Jesus is the Only Mediator between God and Man and He and His Blood cleanse us from sin, not a Church, purgatory, your good works, Jesus Christ and Only Him.
Anyone who doesn’t think Protestant ideas exited before Augustine need to read the writings of Marius Vicrotinus and his commentary on Galatians. He was before Augustine and was clearly Sola Fida.
Isn't that the reason why Martin Luther left the Catholic Church, whether you know it or not the most high is coming back for his church his church his church his church
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Corruption is in different churches irrespective of the denomination. Whether you persecute the Roman Catholic Church or another denomination the fact remains that we are all one in Christ.
No we aren't. Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus - Outside of the Catholic Church there is no salvation.
And according to the teaching magisterium, Protestant brethren "subsist in" the Catholic Church
@@acrxsls1766Protestants believes the same, Outside of the Church there is no salvation. What church that is?? Well that’s the church that we are all part of spirituality regardless of your denomination. Jesus says that those that do the will of the Father are his brothers, sisters, and mothers. One spiritual family.
Now in addition, the Latin Roman Church indeed teaches since the council of Trent that there is no salvation outside of the church. But don’t forget that in the 2nd Vatican Council Protestants are now separated brothers. You can’t call us heretics anymore and there is now a “maybe” or posible chance there could be salvation outside of the Roman Church. Understand your Magisterium.
Not really since Protestantism started in the 16th Century and Roman Catholicism started somewhat around 1054 AD. So no, all must come home to Eastern Orthodoxy ☦️. The young man making this video is Eastern Catholic, so he rejects the Filioque (The Great Schism of 1054 AD and venerates St Gregory Palamas). For our loved ones who died outside of Orthodoxy, prayer for them daily.
@@FaithfulComforter I have brothers in Christ Jesus that are Eastern Orthodox. Great Christian. Many that I know are not sectarian like most in the East. I truly respect that Eastern Orthodox are the only Christinas to follow all 7 ecumenical councils perfectly. But as Protestants that’s not what saves you. But only believing in the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Many of the Eartern Orthodox I know I consider broters. Others only care about their traditions which some cannot be supported by the first 400 years of Church history.
Jesuse is that cleansing to enter into heaven
Absolutely, but you still fall short. Not because of anything on Jesus's part. God will make sure even the desire to sin is erased before coming to heaven
@@most_rustic_patrickto say I fall short after being cleansed by the blood of Christ is to say Christ fell short on the cross. Either his sacrifice means something or it doesn’t. You can’t just flip flop to support heretical doctrine.
@Southernstereotype If I gave you a car, and said "this car is yours for free (his sacrifice), just be sure to maintain it (the multiple verses on repentance, acceptance, and avoidance of sin)" and you wreck it next year (adultery, blasphemy, murder). Would you tell others "the car shouldn't be totaled because he gave me a free working car?"
How many Christians become atheists later in life, do you think them denying the existence of our Savior is ok because they got baptized once apon of time?
Sure, that’s still purgatory
@@lucas____________ Hebrews 9:27
King James Version
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: there’s no death and then waiting and then judgment its death and then judgment
Brother… cmon… you’ll go so hard against Protestants but then you act like the reformation was over nothing 🤣
That's all Catholic UA-camrs do. There is no Love in them
Because it was
Literally. I love my Catholic broyhers but he always goes so hard on Protestants like they have something more wrong going on. You're both good on some stuff and not great on others. No church is perfect.
As an eastern orthodox, catholic indulgences were and still are worse than us. Our indulgences were rarely mandatory. The church never asked money and in the moments they did, it was just to help poor people here.
Don't forget all the stake burnings they did. I've seen some of his class, but never heard him mention burning Protestants at the stake, maybe you can tell us about the famous Catholic bloody marry
“Something has to happen between here and here”… yes, it already happened ✝️
Then you deny the Father's immutability that one cannot see him without being sanctified before seeing Him. Otherwise you would die if you were imperfect. That is why this is fallacious reasoning.
Ah yes, cause sin is obviously in heaven 😂
exactly ! we were cleansed the moment we put our faith in Christ's work on the cross!
anything added to his finished work is stating that you have the power to cleanse yourself or add to your salvation.
Salvation is God centered!
Saved by the grace of God
Saved from the wrath of God
Saved for the glory of God
@ Being cleansed doesn’t mean you don’t commit sin anymore. Are yall dumb?
Amen :) Why did Christ say we should get baptized?
if the Church never officially supported the sale of plenary indulgences, then why did the Pope go after Martin Luther so hard for speaking out against them?
shouldn't the Pope have been *thankful* to Luther for bringing attention to it?
At that point Luther wasn't looking to leave the Roman Catholic church. Instead he wantes it to reform indulgences. Luther saw how the practice was being abused in order to raise money. The Pope at the time was very much involved. Many of the grand buildings in the Vatican were paid for by the same indulgences that lead to the reformation. Its very suspicious that the Roman Catholic church burned people alive in order to stop the production and distribution of translated bibles people could read/listen to in their own language.
Because Martin luther was not going against indulgences only, he was speaking heresy. Note: im not a Roman astholic
@@nada.830The Catholic Church was speaking Heresy. Martin Luther read the Bible and realized the Catholic Church was full of BS and was not following the Bible.
@@MonarchEAS but who created the bible Bro??? Inspired by God, compiled by the church. There is no such thing as sola scriptura or perdonal interpetration of the bible, because If we do, o csn prove rn that Elijah was abudcted by an ufo or smt like that. We need tradition, tradition that IS prior to the bible and tradition that comes from the church. Im not Roman catholic, but anything is best tham this newborn thing so called protestantism that is heresy. And i agree aswell that the Roman catholic church had and has some heresy, but protestantism is an entre heresy.
@@nada.830 Protestants are not an entire heresy. The Bible was inspired by God but the disciples of Jesus Christ were also eyewitnesses. The Bible is a historical document with corroborating accounts of Jesus. Human tradition is human tradition. It has nothing to do with God at all. We celebrate things like Christmas and Easter but none of it is required by God. It is just human tradition.
boy that was the point of Jesus dieing on the cross,through him is the only way to heaven
He never denied that. Is sanctification not a thing? Because that’s basically what purgatory is.
@@NotSoCradleCatholicJesus sanctifies us
@@ParkerBondservantForChrist 200% agree. Jesus’ sanctifies the not perfectly sanctified through purgatory.
Paraphrased quote from Catholic Answers:
“Purgatory is not an insult to Jesus’ sacrifice. It _depends_ on it.”
Purgatory is only for those that are already saved so you still have to already be a Christian to go there. The Damned wouldn’t go to Purgatory
There is nothing on earth that we can do that will make us clean or un corrupted, hence why we need Jesus to die and rise again to cleanse us of those sins and if we accept his offer of forgiveness we are changed spiritually so we can be allowed into heaven, if it was earthly works then God could just say nah I don’t want you into heaven and there would be nothing we could do about it for all have fallen short of the glory of God and only Jesus can make us holy and blameless in the eyes of God “for I am the way the truth and the life non come to the father except through me.”
Yes and the church is so deeply connected that when paul was persecuting the church God had said why are you persecuting me. Not why are you persecuting the church.
That being the catholic church
Just another false teaching of the RCC !!!
@@kapps7658 yea and hence why I don’t think praying to the saints or anything matters just pray to Jesus
@@thund3r94 We ask them to pray for us as they are in direct communication with God in heaven, all prayers are to be directed towards Him as a prayer is in essence, a holy request
@@calmite literally just pray to God, why ask for intersession when you can pray DIRECTLY to him, he’s God so even if you pray to the saints he already knows what you have prayed so there’s literally no point in doing that
The abuse of indulgences were not just limited to “some clergy”, it was widespread
Tell the truth man. It wasn't "basically some clergy got greedy".
As a Catholic, I agree with this. The first King of England (King William I) built Westminster Abbey (a Cathedral in London which is used for coronating Kings and Queens of England) for the Catholic Church to make sure he didn’t go to hell and received a full “indulgence”. The Pope approved of this practise and is largely why Lutherans exist BECAUSE of the corruption which went on with the Catholic Church and European Monarchies.
The Pope approved it, and the Pope could have prevented the split of the protestant church if the Catholic Church had done away with the indulgences and other corrupt practices at the time. Luther didn't want to leave the Catholic Church and even after he knew protestants could not be unified to the Catholic Church he sought to unify with the "Greek"(aka Orthodox) Church
It was the Catholic church that cam close to wiping out the Christian church before God sent the reformation as Jesus promised the gates of hell would not prevail against His church.
Your sugar coating greatly it was german princes that wanted to be away it was 100% political backing.
Theologically and practices are another topic
Charity as a indulgence was approved but it was the abuses that derivied from it because anything with money will get people to act up hence why they remove because it was to great of a temptation for people tl abuse
The pope could not have stopped anything as Christ promised the gates of hell would not prevail against His church and the Catholic church came close to wiping out the Christian church, as such God sent the reformation.
@@IndianaJonesTDH No indulgence of ANY kind should be "approved". Who on earth did they think they were? Supposed to be servants of God but were just raking it in.
The good Lord never charged a dime to forgive sins. Indeed he paid for our sins with his life. And many protestant martyrs died too for daring to raise it as an issue.
I'm RC but I tell you, the church has a LOT to answer for. Then and now.
This is outright wrong.
Johann Tetzel was a member of the Dominicans and specialized in the sale of indulgences. When the Archbishop of Mainz acccumulated too much debt, the Archbishop asked him to sell indulgences on behalf of the church of Mainz to fix his debt problem.
He was so effective that Pope Leo (...yknow the leader of the Catholic Church) asked him to sell indulgences to fund St. Peter's Basilica. And not just any indulgences, but special indulgences which directly PARDONED a man of his earthly sins.
So to say it was a "few bad apples" or something akin to that is flat out wrong. The POPE literally took part in it. And this wasn't about lessening a persons time in purgatory. They were selling indulgences to "Excise" people of their sins in this world... something which (I might be wrong about my theology here) they CAN NOT DO.
Indeed. One of various reasons I am Orthodox and not R. Catholic. 🙏☦️
Yeah, there were always sinful men in the church. Our very first pope denied he even knew Jesus three times. It is a few bad apples. It doesn't serve an anti-Catholic argument to cite sins - even a pope's sins.
I don't think the Protestant tradition should be dismissed simply because Protestants tor churred and mer derred innocent women during the Salen Which Trials. Silliness to do so
"Indulgences pardoned for SINS1!" is kinda crazy cause there's a thing the Catholic Church has for specifically that. It's called confession. It's always open, you can go there whenever your free as long as you have a church near you :)
@basedropeist6617 No, indulgences never pardoned sins. Indulgences are only designed to help a soul - that had already been forgiven - get through purgatory.
@@Michael-pw2td ik i was saying confession is free and where you get pardoned for sins
Ephesians 2:8-9
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast.
Not by works brother
This is usually said to disprove the doctrine of Catholicism. But I have to ask, what doctrine? As far as I know, there is no Catholic doctrine that says “works = saved” or “faith + works = saved” because it is not Catholic teaching.
“Some clergy” understatement of the century.
No it isn't
@@crispminer come on man, even catholics accept it was a rampant abuse of power and manipulation of theologically illiterate worshippers. Was it enough to lead to a split? No but the abuse was rampant.
@@crispminer Brotha the pope was in on it 😭
@@greyerskullzproof?
@@josephjansen6452Indulgences were what paid for Vatican city
The Blood of Jesus is what cleanses us from all our sin. 1 John 1:9; 2 Corinthians 5:21; Titus 3:5.
Jesus paid it all on the cross when he said it is finished, no need for indulges or purgatory
Yes indeed.
Where does the bible say no purgatory?
@ well it doesn’t, because it doesn’t talk about purgatory in the first place… it’d make more sense if I asked you, where does the Bible actually say purgatory?
I don't need purgatory because I have Jesus!!!
Amen
Plus we have the Holy Spirit who sanctify us daily and making us more like jesus
That same attitude had lucifer.
Jesus says to go and sin no more
Jesus paid for your sins. He didn't remove your desire to sin.
Bro that is some rewriting of history.
Pope Leo X issued the papal bull "Exsurge Domine" in 1520, which condemned the errors of Martin Luther, including his teachings against indulgences. While the bull did not explicitly say that indulgences should be sold, it upheld the Church's authority to grant indulgences and implicitly supported the practices at the time, which included the sale of indulgences.
The Catholic Church officially addressed the issue during the Council of Trent (1545-1563). The council reformed the practice of indulgences, eliminating the abuses associated with their sale. The Council decreed that while indulgences are valid and can be granted by the Church, they should not be sold.
Had they had the council of trent at the time of the 95 thesis was written, with Luther invited to participate, it may avoided the schism with protestanism. But they waited 25 years.
It’s biased. Which is sad because you’d expect someone who wanted unity, to not be biased with the facts
No they wouldn't have avoided "excommunication" rather than "schism" as you put it because that wasn't the only reason he was excommunicated, he also wanted to marry a nun and removed books from the Bible, here are 50 reasons as to why luther was excommunicated in 1521:
I'm not presently trying to defend the rightness or wrongness of Catholic teaching, but rather, demonstrating that Luther was “heterodox” or “heretical” by the criterion of Catholic teaching. Based directly on statements in these two works, I summarize below how Luther was indisputably heterodox by 1520: judged by existing Catholic theological standards.
1. Separation of justification from sanctification.
2. Extrinsic, forensic, imputed justification.
3. Fiduciary faith.
4. Private judgment over against ecclesial infallibility.
5. Rejection of seven deuterocanonical books.
6. Denial of venial sin.
7. Denial of merit.
8. Sola Scriptura and radically private judgment: “if we are all priests . . . why should we not also have the power to test and judge what is right or wrong in matters of faith?”
9. Denial that the pope has the right to call a council.
10. Only justified men can do good works.
11. Denial of the sacrament of ordination.
12. Denial of exclusively priestly absolution. Anyone in the Christian community can grant absolution.
13. God has not instituted the office of bishop.
14. God has not instituted the office of the papacy.
15. Priests have no special, indelible character.
16. Temporal authorities have power over the Church; even bishops and popes: “The pope should have no authority over the emperor”.
17. Vows of celibacy are wrong and should be abolished.
18. Denial of papal infallibility.
19. Unrighteous priests or popes lose their authority.
20. The keys of the kingdom were not just given to Peter.
21. Private judgment of every individual to determine matters of faith.
22. Denial that the pope has the right to confirm a council.
23. Denial that the Church has the right to demand celibacy of certain callings.
24. God has not instituted the vocation of monk
25. Feast days should be abolished.
26. Fasts should be strictly optional.
27. Canonization of saints is thoroughly corrupt and should stop.
28. Confirmation is not a sacrament.
29. Indulgences should be abolished.
30. Dispensations should be abolished.
31. Philosophy (Aristotle as prime example) is an unsavory, detrimental influence on Christianity.
32. Transubstantiation is “a monstrous idea.”
33. The Church cannot institute sacraments.
34. Denial that the Mass is a good work.
35. Denial that the Mass is a true sacrifice.
36. Denial of the sacramental notion of ex opere operato.
37. Denial that penance is a sacrament.
38. Assertion that the Catholic Church had “completely abolished” the practice of penance.
39. Claim that the Church had abolished faith as an aspect of penance.
40. Denial of apostolic succession.
41. Any layman who can should call a general council.
42. Penitential works are worthless.
43. The seven sacraments lack any biblical proof.
44. Marriage is not a sacrament.
45. Annulments are a senseless concept and the Church has no right to grant them.
46. Whether divorce is allowable is an open question.
47. Divorced persons should be allowed to remarry.
48. Jesus allowed divorce when one partner committed adultery.
49. The priest’s daily office is “vain repetition.”
50. Extreme unction is not a sacrament (the only two sacraments are baptism and the Eucharist).
NCR.
I am not sure where I said it would have avoided excommunication over schism.
I don't disagree with any of your points regarding the papal bull of 1520 where Luther was excommunicated for heretical views.
My point is had the Church called a council in 1518, instead of calling Luther to Rome, it may have avoided a schism. Leo X did not "read the room" by realizing the political climate had changed to that of his predecessors who could kill a heretic and move on ad they had done with Jan Hus, Jerome of Prague, Girolamo Savonarola, and William Tyndale.
Luther became more heretical (vocal?) in his teaching in response to the church ignoring his demands or perhaps emboldened by the freedom of the the Germanic princes protection which allowed Luther to veer further in his criticism of Church practice as his predecessors had.
By the time the Papal Bull for excommunication was written, 3 years had passed by in a powder keg of poltical maneuvering which meant very little.
The council of trent may have satisfied Luther in 1518, but it was way too late a response. Or more importantly itau have satisfied the populace at large, causing Luther to lose popularity.
Either way this was a miscalculation by the Catholic Church.
So tell me how the Pope influenced the Church in India and helped with its growth? Or is St. Thomas a joke of an Apostle to you? You realize THEY WERE INDEED GIVEN THE KEYS TO THE KINGDOM, CORRECT?
Reason 20, Lutherfer was actually correct on that point, believe it or not. Too many Catholics are DANGEROUSLY lukewarm. Repent and seek the Orthodox Church@@dhilonstephan
Wild to think the Reformation was only, mainly, or even largely about indulgences. It was because Luther and the rest thought they understood scripture better than the Catholics.
I will never understand how you can say you need something between earth and heaven to enter heaven. That something is JESUS. I greatly admire and respect many aspects of the Catholic faith and my Catholic brothers and sisters, but Jesus is the only way. Nothing else can “cleanse” us.
Matthew 12:32
Catholic church did approve indulgences. They wanted to build st peters basilica and needed money for it
Do you have any evidence to back that up?
They didn't approve selling indulgences for profit. Donations for a cathedral is charitable. It wasn't to benefit those collecting the funds, it was for future generations of the faithful.
@@ServusRegisthe Church did, but there's nothing wrong with building a church.
In the early 16th century, the Catholic Church did indeed authorize the sale of indulgences to raise money for the construction of St. Peter's Basilica in Rome. Pope Leo X sanctioned this practice, and Johann Tetzel, a German monk, became particularly well-known for his role in selling these indulgences. This practice was intended to fund the extensive and expensive construction project of the basilica, which brought together some of the greatest artists and architects of the time, such as Michelangelo, Bramante, Bernini, and Raphael.
Once Luther posted his thesis, Pope Leo X issued the papal bull "Exsurge Domine" in 1520, which condemned the errors of Martin Luther, including his teachings against indulgences. While the bull did not explicitly say that indulgences should be sold, it upheld the Church's authority to grant indulgences and implicitly supported the practices at the time, which included the sale of indulgences.
According to Ginny Justice in her thesis "The Role of Indulgences in the Building of New Saint Peter’s Basilica," the primary funding for the early stages of the basilica's construction came from the sale of indulgences. This practice was officially sanctioned by the Church.
The Bridwell Library holds a unique copy of a 1507 Latin indulgence specifically issued to raise funds for St. Peter’s Basilica. This document confirms that indulgences were sold to finance the basilica, supporting the scholarly consensus on this matter.
bridwell.omeka.net/exhibits/show/luther/antecedents/stpeterindulgence
www.themorgan.org/exhibitions/online/word-and-image/3
@@ServusRegis add on that the Council of Trent condemned any form of financial transaction related to indulgences and called for the abolition of all forms of "evil traffic" in them. The Council affirmed the validity of indulgences but sought to correct the practices that had led to widespread scandal and criticism.
In 1567, following the Council's decrees, Pope Pius V took further action by officially canceling all grants of indulgences that involved any fees or financial transactions, thereby eliminating the commercial aspect of indulgences that had caused much of the controversy during the Reformation.
Pope Leo could have condemned the sale of indulgences as an immediate response Luther’s objections which would have supported the current catholic teaching. He thought Luther could be killed as a heretic and misread the mood of the world at that time.
Fascinating, We in the E. Orthodox Church view that means of detachment from Sin as Theosis, as in being one with God in sharing his energy.
"never approved of selling indulgences"?!?!?! But, Flex, that's how they financed the building of St. Peter's Basilica in the Vatican ... and sparked the Protestant Reformation in the process. It's an art form to witness how you minimise the colossal sins committed by and with the approval of the Roman Catholic Church. Question: at your next confession will own up to breaking one of the Ten Commandments in this episode?
Catholics never own up to their Church's crimes. Everything is a misunderstanding or can be explained away, when they're not just flat out lying. Biggest lot of idolaters, worshipping their clergy more than God.
"Some clergy" he said 😮 I guess it includes the pope as well 🤷🏻
The Blood of Jesus cleanses us of all sin.
Learn the Greek folks, your mind will widen
How, I am curious?
Jesus did not speak Greek.
@@jamesalston7474yes he did
@@jamesalston7474yes…. but the ENTIRE New Testament was originally written in Greek.
@@jamesalston7474…..seriously?
Jesus is the sacrifice that purges the sins of the believers
Amen! What’s your point?
Many Catholics don't know that indulgence cannot erase sins but the temporal punishment for sins. We can only receive indulgence from our good works only after our mortal sins are forgiven.
Indulgence is described in paragraph 1471 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church
"An indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven..."
So you're saying it was a con anyway? Sounds the sort of thing Satan would do. It does make you wonder, doesn't it!
A indulgence is buying your way to heaven.
Why do you think that?
@@JamesMathison98 the catholic church has a long history of taking bribes from people to get rid of sins.
@Circa_2nd do indulgences require giving money?
@Circa_2nd ok I see the confusion. Respectfully, you are ignorant of the topic. I would recommend researching indulgences to figure out what they actually are. I would be glad to explain it too.
Did the church sell indulgences? No. It was always prohibited as it is the sin of simony. Those guilty of such a sin are excommunicated. Did individual people demand money for indulgences and holy things? Yes. But, the number of them confirmed are below 20. They were excommunicated.
So no, the church never sold indulgences, and still never do. Indulgences are something God gave us through the church, through His mercy. Something I attempt to take advantage of often
@Circa_2nd it was a Wikipedia search I did awhile back. It listed the clerics who did so. I would challenge you to find evidence of how widespread it was. Because most sources don’t list any people, or misunderstand indulgences so much that they think donating to the construction of st.peter’s constitutes buying an indulgence.
well it was cosigned by the pope at that time, it was only later revealed because the protestant churches was gaining popularity.
just as the current pope cosigned marriage between gay couples as legitimate.
@jm6456 want me to give you proof?
@jm6456 well the wording is a bit weird what the pope actually means, but catholic priests can bless gay couples, they just can't do weddings or any of those ritual things which is a very odd decision.
because blessing a union is approving of it.
and it was designed to make the church more "inclusive" even though it still states that gay people can't get married.
and well the selling of indulgences being approved by the pope, all you have to do is look at the deal of albert of brandenburg and pope leo X and st.peters basilica.
and there is other proof of selling of indulgences being approved by popes, namely the crusades, those who set out for crusades were given letters of indulgence but those who couldn't go were made to pay for them.
@jm6456 nice of you to clarify,
as for unions, all it really says is that the pope gives the ok to bless same sex couples to priests and bishops, but it's not marriage or any of the sort which is why it's confusing, but long story short blessings are blessings and marriage is marriage.
so gonna quote somethings to clarify.
"The church "remains firm" in teaching that marriage can be contracted only between one woman and one man, he said, and continues to insist that "rites and prayers that could create confusion" about a marriage and another form of relationship "are inadmissible.""
so they can bless them but not call it marriage.
So much innovation in the Catholic Church. It’s amazing.
Exactly. They still maintain a very sophisticated observatory to peruse God's universe.
When Luther sat down and read the Bible, he found contradictions between the rituals of the Catholic Church and the Bible. Since the Bible is the Word of God, he was convinced that the Catholic Church had migrated from orthowalking in the gospel.
I can say that I find it strange that the Catholic Church charges for things like prayers. When I was in Quebec, I went to the basilica in Montrèal and found prayers on sale for $2 Canadian. With tables all around the outside of the basilica holding candles and credit card readers, I took a look around and mentally had the image of Jesus flipping over the tables there. I understand the context is different, but based on Jesus’s ministry, I am convinced that shoving giving in the face of people is taking away some of their autonomous decision to give. At our church, we don’t even pass offering platters around. We have a small box in the back that is never mentioned (and an online portal, yes).
I don’t think that passing an offering platter is wrong, but I do think that requiring specific payments and rites contradicts one of Paul’s reoccurring statements: we’re saved by faith, not works. That doesn’t mean don’t give to your church, to nonprofits, etc, but it does mean that’s not what saves you, not in whole or in part. Jesus’s ultimate sacrifice on the cross is what saves us.
The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Ephesians 2:8-9
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
James 2:14-17 14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
Your verse u used as an argument simply defines that work alone do not save someone aka a nonbeliever
@@S0N7works are the fruit/proof of the faith. Works do not merit any increase in salvation like council of Trent declares
@@NyghtingMan Do you know what faith by works even means, just give me your definition in relation to your claim
@@NyghtingManthat isn't the Christian understanding, nor is it biblical.
@@NyghtingManWhere does the Council of Trent say that works merit an increase in salvation?
It's good to do all those things, but they don't make us clean. Belief in Jesus and repentance does.
Only the finished work of Christ and His Holy Spirit “IN” you will seal you for eternity. You can’t rely on works to get into heaven. There is no purgatory…
Do unclean things enter heaven? Is every believer perfectly clean at the moment of death? No? Then some cleansing must happen after death, or in other words, purgatory.
@@lucas____________ wrong. It is Christ Spirit that allows us to be clean to enter Heaven. He paid the debt in full for us to spend eternity with Him.
Tell that to the guy on the cross who Jesus said will be with Him in paradise. It was his belief in Christ… not his works that allowed him into paradise
“Then one of the criminals who were hanged blasphemed Him, saying, “If You are the Christ, save Yourself and us.” But the other, answering, rebuked him, saying, “Do you not even fear God, seeing you are under the same condemnation? And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds; but this Man has done nothing wrong.” Then he said to Jesus, “Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.” And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.””
Luke 23:39-43 NKJV
@@inCHRiSTiamFREE you're at level 0 on a much deeper discussion. None of the modern Christian denominations believe in a works-based church. Your line of argument is wrong at 1st principles.
@@Gerry-jr1mp prove it!
Only the blood of Christ can clean you from your sin
Yeah, this is why the reformation started. One reason anyway. Also, great video. I really enjoy watching you and learning more about Catholicism!
Not really. A few corrupt German priests selling indulgences invalidly (they were told to stop by Rome) does not trigger mass heresy and apostasy.
@@acrxsls1766 There were other reasons to, but this in one. I don't understand why everyone says protestants are heretics, we believe some things are different sure, but we're still Christian. One problem I have with Catholicism is the hierarchy. I understand he came from Peter, but the pope overstepped the line. There was a council, but the guy thought he was like a king. He was supposed to be the first umung Equals.
@@acrxsls1766 You're right. It was indulgences and all the other crimes and wrongdoings that Rome was responsible for.
It's no wonder they protested it, as you should protest it now.
@@SonicForgesOrthodoxy is the right path. Catholics left Orthodoxy then Protestants left Catholics. Pretty much they're both heretics.
@@acrxsls1766 They were told, "Stop it, stop it" in a manner more akin to a man making advances towards a woman who wants the advances to continue.
Buy one indulgantice get one free amen no but seriously only Jesus can give you ETERNAL LIFE amen hallelujah❤❤❤❤
Dude talks like he doesn’t understand how Jesus’s atonement makes you white as snow. You have imputed righteousness. Imparted to you by Christ. To be absent from the body is to be Present with Christ.
It is not forensic, it is transformative. We are a new creation, not merely applied with a status.
Regeneration and justification are one and the same
@@ArmandoTheCatholicthats is a very good explenation brother,
God bless you brother : )
Well, you can argue with Jesus as He mentions the state of Purgatory in the Gospels.
@@richardounjian9270what verses does Jesus talk about purgatory?
1 Corinthians 3:11-15 😂
Good video. If not the multitude of martyrs and various reformers and many godly people this abuse and spiritual crime would get to the next terrible level of evil and torture of people's lives. Indulgences were just the trigger for people to rise up against the corrupt organization then call catholic church. I'm so happy that suffering of hundreds of thousands of people did not pass in vain and even Catholic church straightened in many ways.
I respect your point. Do you troll Muslim sites as well? I wonder what your comments would be like?
@@francescaderimini2931 I'm not trolling anyone or anything. As far as Muslims concerned, I differentiate people that believe in God thru quran and the islam with its muhammad and its teaching and quran... People did NOT have a choice to make whether to believe in the Bible and Its teachings and the Savior God Jesus Christ or in brought by terror islam. I respect all Muslim people but the ones that bring death and terror and abuse and slavery of mind.
"All forms of donations were banned."
*Passes collection plate*
YEAH! And let's not wash anymore because people who make soap are only after our money!!
That is for charity in general, NOT for indulgences. Indulgences occur at specific times like Hallowmas.
The plate's OK, that's voluntary donation. Indulgences were corruption.
Ephesians 2:8-9 says, "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not from you; it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so no one may boast"
The false idea of Purgatory undermines the perfect sacrifice of Jesus
Not necessarily when you realize that bt denying Purgatory you deny the Father's immutable traits of being too perfect for unclean souls, which is why the Arch of the Covenant vanquished the Israelites' enemies. Do you want to be burned alive for seeing the Father's Face? That's why Purgatory MUST exist.
As I said, there is no recognition of Jesus' unique all sufficient sacrifice.
To believe in a non- scriptural purgatory is to blaspheme Christ. RC is not Christianity therefore.
@cherryt72 Good job strawmanning something you don't understand. Also Purgatory IS Biblical. It is in the Book of Revelation, and if you actually cared about the Apocrypha, you would know that it is necessary or otherwise you contradict the Book of Exodus.
@cherryt72 Roman Catholicism gave you the Holy Trinity. Therefore it is Christianity, simply not your erroneous understanding your understanding of it.
Purgatory is not a biblical concept but something instituted by the Catholic Church. When JESUS died on the Cross He died for ALL our sins. He made us clean by His atoning death. The Church sold indulgences to finance their building projects, allowing people to sin, citing that they had an indulgence to "forgive" their sin. This man needs to check his history.
The only thing between man and God is Jesus. Purgatory is herecy Jesus Christ is the only thing that clenses us of sin
Purgatory is merely the place where the effects of sin are cleansed…Jesus paid for our debt of sin, but that doesn’t mean we are somehow sinless are we?
@@AveChristusRex789 "On 4 August 1999, Pope John Paul II, speaking of purgatory, said: 'The term does not indicate a place, but a condition of existence.'"
{replying to: @@AveChristusRex789}
We are made righteous through Christ (`Romans 5:1`), and the purgatory is stated *nowhere* in the Bible.
@@AveChristusRex789NOOOO! Purgatory is a STATE! Purgatory is a process of sanctification.
@@Б.Сэцэр I know I know 😂
Many still practice this.
Alms and charity are 2 different things.
Alms deeds are to the poor and cleanse the soul. Charity out of a pure heart is only after God has circumcised ur heart. And you can do the work he has called you to Do.
Let's be clear and stop blaming the Catholic Church for the actions of disobedient members! The Catholic Church does not now *_nor has it ever approved the sale of indulgences._*__This is to be distinguished from the undeniable fact __*_that individual Catholics_* (perhaps the best known of them being the German Dominican Friar Johann Tetzel [1465-1519]) did sell indulgences -- but in doing so *_they acted contrary to explicit Church regulations._*
A person should never abandon Jesus's Church (Catholic) that He built for us, because of the Judases in the Church. Is this what Peter and the Apostles did when Judas (chosen by Jesus) betrayed Jesus? Is this what they did when heresies or sinful behavior arose in the various Parishes in the Catholic Church? No. They spoke against and corrected those behaviors and heresies when they found out. Pope Pius V put a stop to the illicit sale of indulgences, while he also affirmed the validity of indulgences themselves so long as no money was exchanged.
Reading of the New Testament will reveal that the Catholic Church does not have its origin in the teachings of Jesus or His apostles. In the New Testament, there is no mention of the papacy, worship/adoration of Mary (or the immaculate conception of Mary, the perpetual virginity of Mary, the assumption of Mary, or Mary as co-redemptrix and mediatrix), petitioning saints in heaven for their prayers, apostolic succession, the ordinances of the church functioning as sacraments, infant baptism, confession of sin to a priest, purgatory, indulgences, or the equal authority of church tradition and Scripture. We are not saved by sacraments; we are saved by faith. As one can see the origin of the Catholic Church is not in the teachings of Jesus and His apostles.
Protestants paid with their lives for daring to protest against this evil trade.
What do you mean Judases? That's a bitter statement to make. There was no way for anyone to make the blinkered popes at the time see the wrongs going on. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. Or else you got burned at the stake.
Thank heavens for brave Luther and Calvin. Else it might be still going on today.
@squizza, you're thanking the "god" of this world (The father of all lies) instead of Our Lord Jesus. Those men did not obey Jesus and His teachings and commandments.
@@c.Ichthys and those that think there is a queen in heaven follow the teachings of Christ.
Má fé dizer que a Igreja vendia indulgências , pois era oferta para ajudar na construção da Basílica . Ouve um abuso em certas dioceses no pedido .
Mas o Papa disse que pedir abusivamente seria excomungado .
please show me the Bible verse that talks about purgatory, I've looked and looked, and I can't find it
There's no verse that uses the word purgatory. However there are verses of prayer for those who have died. Now, there would be no need to pray for the dead if they have already reached heaven which implies a place between heaven and earth.
Jesus taught purgatory: Luke 12: 42 - 48 first servant goes to heaven, second goes to hell, third and fourth are TEMPORARILY punished ('beaten' based on the gravity of their sins) = purgatory. :) God bless. Hope this helps.
@@SidneyVenanciodelaTorre-yo4oz I've read it, I believe that is talking about the second coming.
@@low1rydapeople werent in heaven right after they died tho. They were uncouncious
@@low1ryda You mean the books that were added to the Jewish bible by the 'church'? The old testament was and is the Jewish Bible we just added that to the new testament. But somebody wanted to pretend like the Jewish bible had books that were not in it.
My brother in christ we did break off over nothing
1. just cause the church bever "supported it" even tho the popes during those periods were notoriously did nothing to stop it( I will say it wasn't all of them that did nothing I think there was like maybe two who tried to do something)
2. Martin Luther got literally hunted for pointing out that bs, so they definitely like selling em
3.jesus is the thing in-between, it was the whole point of him dying on the cross good deeds according to the Bible "our good deeds are like filthy rags to the lord" now does that mean you shouldnt do them no ,please do, it'd bring more people to christ or boost there faith plus there ain't no wrong in helping people
I will say I personally believe that prostant church's and Christians need more tradition like you catholics and orthodox have but I disagree with how strict yall are about it, at this point yall just seem like the pharises who killed Jesus more concerned about looking good by doing good deeds while saying it's the only way to get into heaven when it's very clear that it's not and anyone who disagrees is a hectic or is simply to dumb to know what there talking about
P.s now I come across mean here but I would just like to say I love all Christians regardless of their denamanation and non Christians obviously
This is why UA-camrs aren't as good as history books.
history books are just the youtubers from before the internet. (I'm joking)
Lol, my favorite letter is Luther's letter to his bishop, saying my parishioners are refusing to come to confession and / or are coming to confession telling me that they don't need it because they bought a piece of paper at market" one thing Christ commanded, the other the Church commanded.
Love me some rank heresy in the morning. Repent friends. Christ paid it all.
Lol wait till bro finds , His soul has to go purgatory before entering heaven skull ☠️
@@IsraelCountryCube Wait till you go to hell for eternity because you think Jesus death wasn’t sufficient.
Ur Baptist and a homosexual
@@IsraelCountryCube So Jesus didn't suffer enough for me?
Pray the 15 prayers of St Bridget for days of indulgence.
Why would I want to make Satan happy?
Just another false teaching of the RCC !!
No dummy, Purgatory isn’t a false teaching. It’s Biblical.
Like you suddenly are able to pontificate.😂😂😂 Congrats blood, you became your own pope.
The Main reason for the Reformation😅
The Church is right
Money is one of truest act of Agape
I gotta give it to this guy and his devoted knowledge of his religion. Bc of him my heart has soften towards Catholics.
I don't agree with half of what he says. But I do enjoy his articulate way of introducing us to his religion.
Tons of Christians like myself could take some motivation from this guy.
Bc the only sin that can't be forgiven is not being a child of the father. So we gotta love each other.
I’m glad to hear that. If you want to discuss any of your views with a Catholic I’m here :)
When nothing unclean enters heaven, your sinful body is left behind, and your soul is brought to the kingdom. God doesn't let you go to heaven if your body is unclean. He lets you go to heaven if your spirit is, And you are someone after God's own heart as God described David.
But… how did the Catholic Church pay for the saint peters basilica??
As a Catholic, I’m thinking indulgences but it could also be the enormous amount of cash given during the offertory over several hundred years. Either way the Catholic Church is rich when it comes to finances because it has been a church for 100’s of years
Yeah, something did happen to detach me from my sin and allow me to be clean enough to get to Heaven. Jesus laid his life down for me on the cross.
Purgatory is the devil's way of minimizing the value of the blood of Jesus, give a reason to keep on sinning and making the ignorant pay for loved ones to make sure that they earn their way to hell.
selling holy things for money has always been bad and the church has always said it’s wrong. therefore selling indulgences was a grave oversight that cost us a lot and should have never happened.
Oversight, I like it! This was not some accounting error, it was blatant corruption of the worst kind.
@ i think oversight works to describe corruption cause people overlooked it. like the ones with power who could have stopped it.
Catholic church: "the righteousness Christ gives us isn't enough, we need to help him through our own "good deeds".
Wonderful explanation
Jesus is that cleansing, the only reason to do works is because we love Jesus and God
Eastern Orthodox may not have "indulgences", but they allow you to pray off certain sins by doing levstaki/kanons. You can also pay other people to pray those sins off for you, so definitely no way to exploit that, right?😂
It's not the same thing. Read up!
Yes, something does happen.... ACCEPTING CHRIST
I’m trying to understand why everything in the Catholic church has a name for it but can’t find it in the Bible like purgatory
Or the Holy Trinity! Right on!
@@francescaderimini2931we see evidence leading to the Trinity, unlike purgatory.
@@cthefroPurgatory is literally in the Book of Apocalypse.
Glad it's banned. However, I still see it being practiced here in our country (made business). And the worst part it, the priests don't say something about it!
I don't believe in purgatory, but no worries, I live in Phoenix. 🥵
Romans 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth and in your heart believe God rose Jesus from the dead you will be saved
Just because salvation is an event that is not complicated, according to Paul, doesn't mean we should not serve God
There’s no such thing. When you breath your last breath, judgement has been made
Yes,you are right
The church in other words became Gods in their own mind. Catholics didn't admit this wrong for centuries.
The pope at the time was an Italian warlord locked in a death struggle with other warlords including the Holy Roman emperor well as having a need to finance St.Peter 's another Renaissance marvels.
Catholic = universal.
Christian = follower of Christ.
Which would you like to be known as. Pick one.
The Catholic Church is Christian, so we get both :D
Purgatory is actually the drip pan of the universe. anyone who was truly evil but believed they were righteous, anyone who was truly righteous but believed they were evil, or anyone who were so indecisive so that they never gave their soul to Any Being fall into that drip pan.
Indulgences were the most honest the catholic church has ever been.
I've had catholic missionaries say that they did not have issues with indulgences as they existed, but could not say why they were discontinued.
For all the protestants saying “Jesus is that cleansing” you don’t understand the argument the Catholic church makes. We are saying you do not believe in Christ when you do not follow His commands.
Many will come to Christ saying they did His deeds and Christ says I do not know you.
It sounds a lot like the typical "God will let me in because im a good person and do more good than bad" argument. The Catholic church is saying that somehow Jesus covers us with His own perfect rightiousness, but we still need to do some salvifically meritorious actions to make sure that the work of Jesus can be completed. Kinda takes the power out of "It is finished". It essentially says that the once-for-all attonement that Jesus made for the complete forgiveness of our sins was not enough.
I guess they don't believe its the blood of Christ that cleanses us from all unrighteousness as the scriptures tell us.
Brother, it isn't "some clergy"...
Come home. You're practically there already. Reject the prideful church of Rome in full and be truly Orthodox
Godspeed 🙏☦️
I used to live across the street from a place that sold indulgences. A liquor store.
Psalm 49: 6-8 "Those who trust in their wealth, and boast in the multitude of their riches, none of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him - For the redemption of their souls is costly, and it shall cease forever." (Only Jesus Christ can save us)
When you have been cleaned by the blood of Jesus, you don't need purgatory !
If only a certain someone came down here 2000 years ago so we could be restored to
The Father fully and not have to go to purgatory ✝️
Really? Here in the Philippines, why do we still give money to "pray for the souls in purgatory"? Donation boxes are everywhere. Heck, even candles are sold inside church premises.
I got very upset with my preist one sunday mass becuase the presit said as I hold the usher basket to help: do you want to go to heaven? then please donate to africa.
this seemed a little bit offensive. and disappointing, asking people to buy their way into heaven.
Unbelievable! Did you report him to the Bishop?
Also known as a works based salvation.
Then faith without works is dead according to James.
For those of you who do not belive in purgatory, please let me know how you would interpret the following verses on your own:
1 Corinthians 3:11-15
Matthew 5:25
Matthew 12:32
Id like an honest interpretation, specifically with the greek interlinear
Protestants say Jesus paid it all
The Catholic church did A LOT of injustice on the native Americans in my country. I love Jesus but this hurt runs deep. My Grandmother was an alcoholic her whole life trying to forget what happened to her in the residential schools. Search up Canadian Residential schools.
I think the key word here is “sold”. (And the particular theology that encourages the “sale”)
Jesus cleaned us
Can you tell me what I have to do to enter heaven
The Bible says over and over again that Jesus is the Only Mediator between God and Man and He and His Blood cleanse us from sin, not a Church, purgatory, your good works, Jesus Christ and Only Him.
No one here is denying that salvation is not earned.
Anyone who doesn’t think Protestant ideas exited before Augustine need to read the writings of Marius Vicrotinus and his commentary on Galatians. He was before Augustine and was clearly Sola Fida.
And no church Father ever labeled him a heretic.
I'm gonna hold my peace
Isn't that the reason why Martin Luther left the Catholic Church, whether you know it or not the most high is coming back for his church his church his church his church
By grace your save just truly belive in jesus repent and love god and you go to heaven
That's why we have reformation