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2020 Indian Challenger | In-depth Review
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- Опубліковано 28 лис 2019
- 2020 Indian Challenger | In-depth Review
The 2020 Indian Challenger has been one of the most eagerly anticipated bikes to come out in the touring category since the release of the new Gold Wing in 2018. The Challenger is the return for Polaris to the "Performance Bagger" segment since they unceremoniously shut down Victory Motorcycles back in January of 2017.
With it water-cooler 2018 cubic inch v-twin that produces 122 horses, the new Indian has made a bold statement. If you are looking for a bike in this category, you should really check out the new Indian Challenger
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Just test rode this today, and I have to say as a Cross Country owner your comparison was spot on. I felt right at home on this bike, and thought it handled very nicely. I was impressed with this bike.
Indian has done a nice job with the Challenger. Thanks!
In 6 years of ownership, Challenger is the 1st and only bagger\tourer that's tempted me away from my Cross Country. I plan to keep the XC a few more years, which is perfect to let Challenger mature a bit. Then I'm on it .. :)
Cool, thanks!
👊😮👍
@@CDLNEPA ...Hopefully I won't blow all my money on a really good dirt bike and have nothing left to replace the VIc with...lol. I'm sure am starting to enjoy enduro riding, I think I'm liking it more than road riding .. :-|
Taking the plunge....I have had my 12 CCT since new, and could not find anything to replace the performance, comfort, styling of my CC. I installed a 21” wheel last year, because I didn’t know this was coming. Ordered the Dark Horse in Sandstone, and added a few other touches.
@@carllembke6902 Good luck Carl, you're not going to be disappointed in the DH.....just don't think about the Challenger ...LOL :)
I did buy another dirt bike, so I'll be keeping my Vic for awhile more.
Craig I ride the same Victory Vision you have and had the same impression when I road the Challenger a couple of weeks ago. My reaction was “WHOA, Where was this hiding!?” The earlier Indians were cramped. This one felt more inline with my bike. I had adequate leg room and with the exception of the handle bars it felt great. I begged my wife for the bike I have years ago. It is now 10 years old. She has warned me that if I get another bike, I must keep the Vision. She has ridden many bikes with me including the Challenger. The passenger accommodation is not there for her. The seat for her was narrow. She felt left out of the new design. That said, I believe the touring models will suddenly appear next year with lower wind protection, better passenger accommodation, tour packs, heated seats, heated grips, maybe even a hydraulic clutch, and a 35K+ price. This introduction was a little bit of a tease because we were so impressed by the power that a lot of the creature comforts were overlooked. Polaris now has a pattern of throwing mud on the wall and seeing what sticks. They then eliminate what doesn’t. The wife couldn’t wait to get back on the old Vision after the Challenger ride. It was a chilly day. I personally still love the way the Vision is gawked at when it’s the only bike that is different at the biker spots. I didn’t by it for it’s speed. I bought it because it’s truly different and can’t be mistaken for any other bike on the planet. Okay I may be a little biased😜. The Challenger is the new bike of the future, it’s just not finished yet. Your review I believe was spot on. Great video.
Thanks! Sounds like you are I are pretty much on the same page. I agree about the passenger accommodations. My wife would not even get on this bike without a trunk and I am sure the seat would be too narrow. It will be interesting to see if and when the come out with a touring model...and I am sure your are right about the price.
Thanks for the great review Craig. As a long-time Vic rider I highly value your Vision - related insights.
Thank you!
This video pushed me over the edge. Thanks for the CC comparison and the great comprehensive review of the Challenger.
Thank you!
Really a great review on the bike. I purchased the first 2020 Challenger sold in Georgia. I would agree with most of your points both pro and con. However, I never really felt the buzzing and vibration at highway speeds you commented about. I will say I had the BMW K1600B in mind also before buying the Challenger. I went to the BMW dealer in Marietta Ga and they told me there was a STOP SALE on the bike. Some sort of transmission issues with the motor. I asked how long before they can sell the 1600B again.. The rep had no idea. He said they don't have a fix yet for the problem. That kind of killed it for me as far as purchasing a BMW...
Congrats on the new bike! There is a fix for the transmission, everyone is now waiting on parts to be shipped. I think they are expected sometime in Dec, but we shall see. My K1600 GTL has the same recall on it. I can still ride it, but since there is no a few inches of snow on the ground, I am just waiting for the parts to be in. Thanks!
Got to ride on a challenger and roadmaster elite at demo days. The challenger was very smooth. The roadmaster surprised me at how nimble it was. Both bikes needed tuning . But I may be that v twin guy used to 2500 rpm.They were a pleasure to ride, indian was so nice to us. Made our weekend. Both are in consideration for my next bike. Really loved the feel of the roadmaster it felt tiny compared to my HD Ultra.
I agree, Inidan has done a good job with their bikes, thanks!
I really enjoyed my test ride, I did however run into an issue where it had a cylinder misfire and the bike shut off on me during my test ride. Other than that, it was awesome!
Interesting Demo bikes...
I've read many articles and watched many video reviews of the Challenger in the past two months and ... no bull ... yours is the most balanced and mature. Thank you for not doing the silly "yee-hah" or whatever on your first acceleration out of the lot that others have done. I got to SIT on one a few weeks ago and like it. The biggest problem I have is the over-sized fairing. From the side view it's too out of proportion, too heavy. The saddle bags were made of lighter plastic than the Harley and there were several rubber trim pieces that were crooked or had glue around them. I had trouble closing the fuel cap and one of the locks on one saddle bag wouldn't engage. Yeah, give Indian a little time to fix the small stuff, but that fairing ... too weighty. Thanks, good vid. Oh, and that buzziness ... that's a killer. If it's a wee bit buzzy ... forget it. I got away from buzzy when I sold my great '09 Kawasaki 900.
You should at least take it for a ride and see. Can't hurt. Thanks!
Thanks very much for your honest and in-depth review of the new Indian Challenger. I own a 16 Indian Chieftain that I purchased from MoMs and I came off a 14 Victory XCT. I really liked my XCT but, I have throughly enjoyed my 111+ TS. But, I need to take this new Indian out for a ride.
Have fun!
This is the best review of this motorcycle i have seen...thank you
Thank you!
Hi Craig, nice review! I thought the same thing this is just like riding my cross country only with more torque horse power and better braking. I wondered what they were going to do with that engine when they closed down victory and I’m here to tell you I’m a happy camper! Yeah if you look at the front forks in the swingarm they’re identical as is the wheel base and the way it corners. I Run up to Mount Rainier yesterday with two of my Road Glide freinds and I just left them in the corners repeatedly on my old cross-country . I think there are two seat options on the Challenger, one sets you forward more than the other one. After riding my victory I always feel cramped on an ultra or an Indian so I’m happy about the legroom and geometry on this bike. I’m looking forward to coming out with lowers and possibly a tour pack as it rains a lot where I live. Hopefully the economy will not Stifle that development with this so-called pandemic. Once again I enjoyed your video, ride on!
Thank you very much. Hopefully we are through all of this soon!
I did a testride yesterday. I was hooked, such a nice bike
Great to hear! When do you pick it up?
@@LivingOffTheSlab Idk, I guess I save some more money cause the season is almost over here in Sweden so really no point of having it chill in the garage for 6-8 month. Perhaps a better deal will show up in Spring or perhaps I look into the 2021 models 🙂
@@LivingOffTheSlab Great video btw 😎 keep it up mate
Good review Craig. I always enjoy your videos. I hope winter passes quickly for you up there.
Thank you!
I agree. As a Vision owner, this bike speaks to me....and I like what it is saying.
I get it!
That's the best video you've ever put out. Good job.
Wow, thank you!
FANTASTIC REVIEW / in-depth & spot on!
Thank you!
Excellent balanced review. I enjoy your honesty. SO refreshing compared to some. Coming from an Australian perspective, how is the heat on the Challenger. (It was 44c yesterday, so you can understand why I am asking) !
Have a happy and safe Christmas and New Year brother, from the land down under.
Thank you and Merry Christmas to you and your family! I cannot speak to the hear because it was in the 50s (Fahrenheit) when I rode it, so I felt no heat. It is water cooled, but it is also very large so I imagine it will get hot on a summer day.
I am sure this will be my next bike. I was leaning towards a goldwing, but want to stay with a USA built machine. Thanks for posting.
I would still suggest riding them both. They are have two very different rides. The wing is smoother and the challenger is more visceral. I agree that is good to have American made options with the kind of technology offered on the Challenger. Good luck in your search.
This review swung me over to buy the Challenger. Thanks ...was tired of test riding for 2 months from bmw to Yamaha. Each had its plus and minuses .
Enjoy it! Thanks!
So you tried the Eluder? What made ya decide between the two? ive been lookin at them myself too but this thing really has my eye as well.
@@thewitness9305 you have to ride them and get a sense of how it feels to you . Challenger so comfortable to ride but has enough power for me to feel like a sports/cruiser hybrid .
Really enjoyed your review and commentary - you sound like my brother from a different mother.
Also appreciate that you own a nicely modded Victory Vision, which gives you a pretty unique angle from which to view this new Indian.
Thank you!
Excellent review and I'm playing in demoing one tomorrow.
Thank you, have fun!
On my test ride i kept it at low rpms 2500-3500 on standard mode and had no issues with around town driving it still pulled hard when needed, as for comfort to be fair they did put one of the upgraded seats thst pushed you forward a bit and had a little less padding and loved it. As for the clutch its cable assisted andvit was butter smooth and i had absolutely no issues with feel and pressure, i felt a light buzz but not from the seatbof floating floor boards and it was actually sonething i looked for if anythingb i would not have noticed it if not looked for, the stock audio system was loud and clear at low setting 5 and just as good higher up. Another thing i did like was the rear suspension i went over rough patched black top and it was smooth not jerky ,the steel braided stock brake lines are great as well , i will say it does need a little more touches like stock bag filler inserts for the base and dark horse models and the screw on top of the fuel tank sould have been hidden better but other than that nothing major, ill give this a solid 9 out of 10 , btw some maybsay this looks like a road glide copy its far from it in feel and comfort to me.
Thanks for your input!
Really appreciate the review and comparison to Victory as the Cross Country is only touring bike that made me consider buying a touring bike. Currently riding Kawasaki ZRX 1200.
Thanks! Back in the day, I had a Z1R 1000.
I agree with you, this would be a bike that I don't feel like I would need to do any engine mods for more power. I could ride it stock and be plenty happy with it!
Thanks!
I shared your review with the local Indian owners group I ride with will be interesting to see their responses but I certainly between yourself and Adam Sandoval as the best of the reviews I’ve watched. Cheers and safe riding hope you had a great thanksgiving weekend.
Thank you!
One of the best reviews of this motorcycle I’ve watched, I’ve watched a lot.
Wow, thanks!
I'm an old vision owner and I now have a road glide. I feel that this would be very close to my vision ride. Great to hear your opinion 👍
Thanks!
Enjoyed this well balanced review. I’ve just purchased a base challenger but is winter so zero miles. I’m coming off a 14 Chieftain that I had zero issues with over several years enjoyed your review there as well to compare.
Thank you! I too am eagerly awaiting spring!
I agree with your review 99.9% except my Roadmaster is just as comfortable as my Vision but then again I’m only 5’6”
Thanks!
Higher RPM range to keep in the power band, is going to result in a higher fuel consumption as well. Not a good thing if you ask me. Lower RPM range for the power band is going to result in higher fuel economy as well.
Probably...
Love your Vision perspective.. and our design tastes are the same .. I’m tempted to test drive this awesome new model
Thanks! You should check it out, fun bike.
@@LivingOffTheSlab I'm tempted, but right now I'm leaning towards a new, holdover 2018 Goldwing (no trunk) .. I've also always liked the K1600 GT with no trunk, but the nearest BMW dealer is over 100 miles away
Buzziness in grips, seat or floorboards is a definite deal breaker for me. Thanks for the review.
Thanks!
Might want to make sure Matt Laidlaw sea this...nice neutral review and good job.
Thank you!
I haven't really had any vibration. It is definitely less than my Victory vibration wise. Maybe a bike variation. I can agree regarding the suspension adjustment. It is now available on the Challenger as an addon or on the Pursuit Premium editions. Again agree should be stock at this price. The other item on the Challenger that I believe should be standard is heated grips. Overall after about 20,000 miles between my 2 Challengers (I totaled one by hitting a deer), I have been very happy with the bike. You are correct that it is a mix of a Cross Country and Vision as far as feel.
Overall a very fair review!
THANK YOU!
Jim
The most important thing I got from this, was the commentary about the RPMs and riding characteristics. I didn't know that, and I'm really seriously considering buying one. They seriously need lower fairings and a trunk tour pack for this.
Thanks! I am sure you will see a full touring version at some point. It may not be until after this covid stuff has settled down...we shall see.
Great review. I just went from a 19 HD SGS to the 20 Challenger Dark Horse and never looked back. Years ahead of HD on tech, handling and performance. Smaller 108 engine but more power and torque than HD’s 117. Remote locking saddlebags and gas tank, adjustable windshield, inverted shocks, fox racing shocks in the rear, lean angle ABS, etc in an American made Vtwin. What else do you need?
Thank you! Enjoy and ride safe!
This is the second video I watched where a brand new bikes electronics were twitchy. I think that's something to look out for. What kind of warnentee does it come with?
It comes with a 2 year warranty.
Good review, I'm looking to purchase one of these. Like you I am a victory owner and love a higher revving high horsepower twin. Hopefully Indian makes a set of highway bars that are similar to the forged set you could get on the cross country bikes. I think it would add to the bikes already good looks.
Let us know if you get one!
@@LivingOffTheSlab I absolutely will do that when it happens. In the meantime keep up with the good videos, I do enjoy watching them.
Can't wait to see the touring edition.
Currently I ride a Vision, which I love most things about it, but I come from sport touring bikes previously.
I think your description of the engine makes it seem like it bridges the gap between higher revving sport tourers and traditional V-twins.
Yeah, that is a good description. Thanks!
It sounds just like my Victory Judge. Drill out the baffles with a hole saw and it will give the motor some throaty sound but will still be quiet at idle. Or just buy the after market pipes
Thanks!
Hey. Mom's is where I bought my Highball and plan to buy a Challenger from!
Not a bagger guy, but I would ride this! I like the cleaner styling and performance over a slow ass Hawley...I'm looking into a Scout...or Triumph.
Thanks for the input!
Very good review! I too come from a stage 2 Vision. Good chance this will be my next bike.
Thank you!
If I had to ride a twin tour it would most likely be this one. I'm a Goldwing rider...Vibration? What is that?
My new Beemer is the same. Thanks!
Nice in-depth review! I know on the Roadmaster the weight feels really low which makes it easy to handle. How does this compare?
It feels similar, but the Challenger is a bit longer I think.
These new Indians look more like Victorys with each new bike. I guess the "Victory" nameplate couldn't compete with Harley, so Polaris decided to call everything 'Indian", hoping to capitalize that the history and nostalgia would appeal to buyers more. They kept a few of the older models in the line -up to satisfy everyone. Smart move. But the newer bikes are really Victory's. Still I'm sure from everything I've read it's a far superior bike in performance, braking and ride. Couple things I don't like the location of, is the air filter under the tank and the starter located directly at the bottom of the motor, next to the road and elements.
Here's a link to another un biased comparison review.
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Sure, Polaris bought Indian for exactly the reasons you state. Victories were great bikes, so are the Indians. I guess it gets down to what each buyer values. The nostalgia and name or engineering and performance. There is no wrong answer, it just depends on what each rider is looking for.
i am 5/8 and short arms
i test rode challenger stock
was not fully able to floor it my heals wer up
and would have to replace the bars with 14"
and pull em back
it was not a pleasant test ride
would have to instal a lower kit and different low profile seat
but the bike moves so easy at 85 Mph
The Indian is better than the road glide in every way. Except looks. My head, heart, and wallet are fighting. The road glide just looks so much better to me. Love the air cooled look. However, if you want your harley to be as good as this it's really gonna cost you. The glide will need a stage 3 or 4 kit for power, better rear shocks, a taller wind screen, LED headlights, stage spend more money audio, and the front forks you are stuck with. That's a lot of money. The idea of needing 10k in upgrades on a vehicle to match a direct competitor really test brand loyalty. Imagine having to do all that to a Chevy 1500 to match a ford. You would probably just buy the ford even if you like the way the Chevy looks better. Just my 1,000,000 cents.
Very interesting. Thanks!
Nothing wrong with Indian motorcycles, but I’m so into my BMW K1600 GTL.
The perfect Sports tourer in my opinion.
Great review myself as a bong different writer dealer Network serious problem
Thanks! I don't know that the Indian dealer network is that big an issue. It of course depends on where you live, but there are generally enough to take care of you on the road. Back here, there are 5 within a couple of hours.
Thank heavens someone finally explained "Sport" mode. The Marketing dept figured out a way they could sell poor fueling to the unwashed masses as a feature, not a bug.
That smooth rise in power you feel in "Standard" mode is called "linear" power. That is the proper fueling for anything besides doing wheelies. And you can make always make yourself a "Sport/Wheelie" mode while in "Standard" mode by simply pulling in the clutch, revving the throttle, then dropping the clutch.
Thank you!
@@LivingOffTheSlab We have the same boots. I love these shorty boots. One of the best things to come along into motorcycling in a while IMHO. This Challenger is pretty sweet too, but they need to put a better passenger seat on it. It's definitely set up for solo power cruizer doods now.
I was informed that the Roadmaster top box fits it which is most excellent.
New sub here, I've had my '06 Yamaha Stratoliner S for 10 years now, bought it used with 1,800 miles on it. I'm at 45,000 miles now and was considering the Indian Challenger however I'm disappointed with the clutch cable. With all the technology the bike has, you'd think they'd have gone with a hydraulic clutch. Also, the nearest dealership is 2+ hours away from me, if anything went wrong with the bike, that'd be difficult. I'd still like to test ride one and hope a dealership will open closer to me in the near future...
Great review, I do like the motorbike however I’ve been riding Harleys since 1992, maybe I’m getting old but I’ve always been fine with the performance or lack of with my Harley Davidson‘s, I don’t think I would ever be compelled to switch just because the rev range is higher or the bike is a bit faster.
I am sure you would get used to it very quickly. Thanks!
Like you I'm a Harley guy but I built all my Harleys two, panheads, three Shovels a blockhead and half a dozen sporties. Harleys,at least the ones I've owned are great bikes .I'd ride them anywhere but this new Indian has made me perk little. Just because one Harley as a co.is shit.two I'm getting to old to want to wrench every year. So much so right now I'm riding a kaw that I put 18k on this year and changed the oil and gave it new shoes and it's ready for the snow.
I was used to my Harley too until I bought a Victory Judge. I’m never going back. I like my Harley but there is no comparison. The power curve on that modern engine beats a Harley any day. The handling is much more responsive and I used to scrape the pegs a lot when I first switched over.
It's not just the power of the Indian . It's the frame the mono shock , the break's. And everything else. Is superior on the Indian.
Just test rode one yesterday and stalled it because I didn’t have the revs high enough
Euro 5 requires TC just like Euro 4 required ABS.
Yep, European standards are higher than here in the US.
Great review Craig. 🤘⚡️🤘
Thank you!
Where is the heel/toe shifter?
I am sure there is one it you want to add it on. Personally I dont like them, so I didn't look for one.
You made a very good point, the Power Plus engine doesn't need an upgrade. I have a Sport Glide 107 and the day I purchased the bike the dealer said I would be back for a Stage upgrade and swap out the final drive since I would find the stock 78HP isn't adequate and Harley used tall final drive gears to meet EPA requirements and this ratio makes the bikes performance anemic. Therefore, reach in your pocket for another $2K+ to make the bike perform like it should have right off the showroom floor. If Indian would make a frame size / weight like the Sport Glide and cram in the Power Plus engine it would be in my garage in a New York minute. I'm done with Harley's.
I am with you on the smaller version of this bike. We need a American Sport Touring bike with this kind of engine. Thanks!
I came to love indian because of the front fender.. I can't believe i am liking an indian bike with out traditional indian front fender.
Thanks!
i really enjoyed this review. Im buying one very soon. Thanks
Thank you and enjoy!
Enjoyed the comparison ride to the Vision. That's what I was looking for considering the Vision is the best day riding bike I've ever owned. Currently have a 2019 Harley FLHT. I appreciate your comments.
Thanks!
At the end of the video the critiques about the clutch look like the same ones I noticed with my Judge. Same setup with the exception of the transmission. The vibes are about the same on the 106 ci engine on the Judge. The Judge has a harmonic at the front right mirror too. Thanks for the review. I first saw the Challenger and I was thinking that would be my next bike. I like the bike for the same reasons I like the Victory. Modern styling and performance.
Thanks!
It sounds like the Challenger has many of the same performance characteristics of the Scout. The Scout is happy at 3-4k. In 5th gear, riding 2-up I can pass effortlessly. If the Scout's throttle response could be compared to the Challenger ride modes, it would definitely be the Sport mode. It sounds like the PowerPlus is a Scout engine on steroids, based on the reviews I've read.
Yes that is fair, although I would say the Scout is more like Standard mode. I found the Scout to have a nice smooth throttle, where sport mode can be a little twichy. But, we are all different.
Nice looking bike. I just can't say that I would ever trust them with quality or even warranty coverage. There are too many polaris claim deny stories out there
As a Victory owner, I never experienced that.
That high revving buzzy engine is a deal killer for me. After 2 hours on the highway, if your ass and hands are numb, and you have 6 hours to go, that sucks. Torture touring ain't my bag. I'm 5 foot twelve, and need short shifts with long floorboards.
Thanks!
Great review
Awesome Review!
Thank you!
Nicely done...A wonderful video and honest review.
Thank you!
I personally can't stand the hydraulic clutches. I love the fact the challenger has a cable clutch. It feels rite.
Thanks!
Hi
I have victory cross country tour, I will change it to challenger limited , did you find him more powerful from cross country tour
Yes, the Challenger is substantially more powerful than the stock Freedom 107, which is still a great powerplant.
@@LivingOffTheSlab thx . Its really beautiful bike .
Awesome review...... of a great bike!! I'd love to own one!
Thank you!
When I buy something new, I want it to look new. It’s a bummer if friends are asking if the bike is new or not. Of course, I am not trying to make my friends happy. Water cooled motors are an improvement to air cooled. Remember when the Porsche 911 went from air cooled to water cooled. Before, Harley would state the public buys anything we make. That view has changed with more competition. Why should I spend thousands more to upgrade engines that should come stock from the factory with stage 4. After all Harley is a premium bike. All the other manufacturers offer more horsepower and tech every year not just new paint jobs. The Challenger is the most bang for the buck. I am not brand loyal.
Thanks for input!
Good stuff mate 👍🏽
Thank you!
thanks for the review.
Thank you!
Thank you for the informative and neutral review Craig. I haven't had a chance to ride the Challenger yet and not sure that I do given that I bought my second Indian (an 18 Chieftain Limited) last year. I really enjoyed my 16 Springfield and put 24k trouble free miles on it. I'm enjoying my Chieftain too but have to say the Challenger speaks to me. As a former '18 Road Glide Special owner, I liked the fixed fairing and look of the bike but did not enjoy the ride of that particular bike and never bonded with it. I'll probably put another season or two on the Chieftain and see what shakes out with the Challenger in the meantime. Thanks again for your review.
Thank you sir!
Another great review Craig,thank you!
This is a beautiful bike that I would consider trading my Harley SGS for, however, I agree that a cable clutch is a let down, particularly with all the tech it has.Also, it should have almost un- noticeable vibration,as it’s a big tour bike, and should be supremely comfortable.I hope Indian addresses those short comings for the 2021 model year.Subscribed!
Thank you very much, appreciate the input!
Living Off The Slab
My pleasure!👍
Thanks Graig. I am coming off of a 2018 BMW GS and looking for a lower ride. Really love BMW's ESA. Can't believe the Challenger and Road Glide don't have heated grips. Haven't had good enough wx to do much test riding so really appreciate your review. Am looking at the Road Master, or Challenger and Road Glide. How would you compare the 116 motor vs 108 vs 114 HD. Thanks
They are all good engines, it just depends on what you are looking for. Do you want a lower revving torque monster, or something that revs higher and pulls longer. I would try to ride as many of the models you are interested in and see which one you like better.
I've heard that the Ride Command is unreliable. I wonder if the hardware /software has been upgraded for the 2021 models yet?
Most people I knew say they like it, but I dont have an Indian so it is hard for me to say. The online app itself is easy to use.
Very curious to see if this motor will make its way into the chieftain in the next couple years. That may be enough for me to upgrade from my Victory as I like the chieftains styling better.
I would not be surprised.
Great review Love the Bike.
Thanks!
It does look to me like victory and Harley Davidson had a baby I like it I'm a die hard Harley Davidson fan and owner but it's a nice bike I would ride it
Thanks!
Do u prefer your bmw k1600gtl to this bike? Which one do u prefer and why?
Yes, I prefer the BMW K1600. To be fair, I only got to ride the Challenger for a couple of hours, so you have to take this with a grain if salt. The K is 100 pounds lighter, better handling and more power (160 hp, 129 trq). I have also come to prefer the more upright riding posture with my feet underneath me. It is better on my low back and for handling the bike, using body position in turns, etc. I can also easily stand on the bike when necessary. Overall it is a bit more refined. Some will say it will cost me more for service, we shall see, but that does not concern me as long as it performs well. Thanks!
I put a deposit on the blue limited a couple weeks back. Too bad it won't be in for several months. I've been waiting for this to drop for almost a year now.
Nice!
Okay, the suspension is not remotely adjustable. But how does it WORK? No mention of that in the review. Looked like a lot of cracks and tar strips on those back roads. How much do you weigh, and how did the suspension feel during your ride?
The suspension was very good. I road over several bumps and as you mentioned, tar snakes without issue. Thanks!
The police finally somebody mentioned something about how this bike handles but I'm still astonished that 98% of every review about a challenger just talks about doodads buttons and going straight this is the only one they even gave a clue that it might be okay in a corner but even if that minimum
Thanks! The Challenger does handle well, but it still is an 800 plus pound cruiser.
As a touring rider one thing we are wondering is how this might work with an Aspen, or Bunkhouse behind? Your thoughts please.
I have not pulled a trailer so my input is limited, but I see no reason you could not do that, or that you would have an issue. Of course, you would need to find a hitch. Not sure if the other Indians will work...they might. Thanks!
Rivco makes a good hitch for Indians
Why wouldn't they have lowers on a bike that costs 23 k ?
It is a bagger. I am sure we will see a touring version next year.
sounds like the Vaquero, by the way the vaquero likes to rev as well.
Thanks!
Power band is similar to my old Vrods, everyone who rode my bike never got into sweet spot. That's a good looking bike but I don't care for the cock pit or those clunky switch covers. Agree with the clutch especially with a new bike and the lay down of power. Yep high rpm = some kind of buzz not found on standard twin......nice review......Ride hard or stay home😎
Thanks!
You talked about being a Vision owner. Thought you traded that in for a BMW K1600?
Nope, I still have it.
Cool; I purchases a 2015 CCT in 2016 an couple of months later Polaris announced they were shutting down Victory. I was sick realizing my resale potential just disappeared and I am struck with riding my Victory until the wheels fall off...LOL.
@@nickheinz3737 I understand. I have had mine for 10 years, but it is now worth much, so just hanging on to it for a while.
You mentioned in another video you put cams in your Vision. Was it worth putting cams in? Did you bike remain reliable? Thanks
@@nickheinz3737 Did it remain reliable, yes. Would I do it again, no. After all is said and done, it is a lot of money for minimal benefits, at least for the kind of riding i do. Yes, it makes two up passing a bit more fun, but the stock guys are not that far off. And, I did have issues at altitude on this last trip.
One of the things that disappoints me about this bike is at that displacement it should really be making more horsepower and torque. But according to the dyno it's rear wheel is 113HP.
Which means if they put this engine in a Chief, a harley M8 114 engine bike would be better with a stage 2 build. Because stage 2 114s are pushing 116HP and 125lbs TQ at the rear wheel. More torque and more power at a lower cost comparison, and the Softails are much lighter than the Chiefs.
And considering the fact that Indian pretty much receives next to no aftermarket support, we'll likely never see big bore kits or cam kits for the challenger. So an M8 will have way more power to gain for real cheap with all the bigbore kits and cam choices out there.
A fuel moto 124kit is just 880$ an SnS 475c is just 200$. Stage 3 is so cheap on the M8 it'll end up smoking the stage 1 Challenger easily.
Indian really needs to not report crank horsepower like that.
It's just misleading.
Everyone reports crank horsepower. Harley just did with the 1250 engine they are putting in Pan America. I have been told upgrade kits are already in the works. I would not do it, but I am sure some riders will. Glad your are happy with your Harley, ride safe!
If Indian did not do it someone else would, we are near 2020 so a motorcycle like this just built on the high tech bike and motor Polaris had with the Victory. The Indian Challenger is everything everyone wants mainly being your not on top of a hot motor, you have ease of maintenance with a single oil fill, a gear drive primary, LED lighting front to back, ride modes. adjustable windshield, and easy oil drain. The only issue with this bike for me is the handlebars. If they can get the bars verticle like mayhem bars by KST customs they may have a new customer.
Now I am Harley Davidson street glide bagger guy and have been on a Harley for 21 years, but this bike in of itself is not going to get people to change over just like that but the Indian has my attention big time. Again verticle handlebars are the key. For those who want a motorcycle with no vibration or shake buy a Honda gold wing or a BMW, now for me I like a little vibe and shake.
Thank you sir!
It makes a K1600 look good 😀
The K1600 looks good going fast 😉
@@LivingOffTheSlab Yes, but Challenger is still way cooler looking going slow.... ;)
Technology, aesthetics, engine performance and value, yes! Fit and finish is not up to par. Thin cheap feeling bags and closures with loads of plastic. Paint looked and felt cheap. Indian is definitely onto something and it’s a great start.
Thanks for the input!
Listening to your comments on this video which I find quite interesting, the thing that comes up to me is the cost..... You have put in a lot of additional expense in that Harley to get it where you want it to be. The motorcycles are very closely priced from the factory but Indian gives you far more bang for your buck right out the door. Simple things like electric locks for the saddlebags makes it much easier to lock them up. The electric windshield that goes up and down could be a very important feature. And the ride on the Indian is really superior to that of a Harley. I too am a Harley rider but I think Indian is out doing the Harley from the factory right now which I think is a shame.
For many years Kawasaki Honda and Yamaha I’ve been building smaller bikes for kids. As these kids get older they’re looking for bigger bikes from companies they’re familiar with. They don’t even look at a Harley. Harley has ignored this area for many years And now they’re losing sales because the young don’t have the love for the Harley like we do because we grew up with them. Plus, A Harley Davidson is not cheap and a lot of middle-class people cannot afford to jump into the bigger bike market when it’s 40 or 50% more.
Thanks for the input!
Good review.
Thank you!
@@LivingOffTheSlab I'm in MA too. I'll be heading to MOMs to buy in the next few months. I'm leaning toward a Chieftain, but wanna check out the new Challenger in person before pulling the trigger.
Shouldn't this engine be in the Roadmaster Elite?
Maybe bore it to give it a few more cubes and have liquid cooling.
Just thinking out loud.
Depending on sales, I would imagine you will see that in future generations.
@@LivingOffTheSlab Few people ride like I do, and I wouldn't expect many to, but I ride hard; many 700-800 mile days and that can include across deserts where the temperatures can reach 110+ degrees Fahrenheit. The air-cooled engines get extremely hot. I have the new Yamaha Star Venture also and it gets very hot as well. If I'm going to spend as much as $35K or more, I would like to be able to ride without my legs and body suffering. The Honda Gold Wing was always a solid and cool bike to run but Honda ruined that in 2018, when they introduced the "new" Gold Wing; that's no longer a long-range touring bike; that bike is now a toy. Harley is an option also but for the model that I'd want, the Harley would be scratching $50K, and major heat with that one also. I'd really like to run a V-Twin (I love the sound and power) but without the heat. At some point, somebody will introduce something; it'll eventually come. I realize that you're not the guy who's going to resolve these issues but engineers who work at the major manufacturers do read these discussions and perhaps posts like this one will trigger someone to motivate the companies to build a bike for people who actually ride long distances; it only takes one person to begin to address the issue. Happy New Year to you, sir.
@@truthseeker5890 Hopefullt the OEM will read this, but I have a feeling that an 1800cc vtwin engine is always going to get hot, liquid cooled or not. They are just big engines. I road my Vision through Death Vally this year (2019) and was fine. I probably dress different than you though, with a Klim Touring suite that protects my legs from the engine heat. You might also try a different style of bike, such as an Adventure Touring bike. They are alot of fun, very comfortable run cooler because of the engine configuration and seating position. Just a suggestion.
Hello there,
First of all, congrats on your video and review, I really liked it.
Second, and given I've also watched your videos on the BMW K1600GTL, and I´m considering purchasing one of these two bikes, how would you compare the two of them?
Especially in terms of comfortability, ridebility, realiability and overall perfomance.
I know they are quite different bikes but I would really appreciate your view and opinion on this.
Thanks in advance and best regards from sunny Barcelona, Spain...
First, thanks very much! The K1600 GTL and Challenger are very different bikes but I will try to give you my two cents. Both are very comfortable bikes and it will depend on whether you want the legs out in front cruiser position or the feet underneath you sport touring position. It is really a personal preference, but I have come to really like the more sport oriented position of the K1600. It forces me to sit up right, keeping my back straight and gives me more control over the bike. On the other hand, being able to stretch your legs on the highway can be very nice on the Challenger. Both seats are very comfortable for the rider, but I think your passenger will like the K1600 better.
As far as performance, you cannot beat the BMW. It just has all the power you could want and is smooth as silk. The Challenger has a very strong engine that likes to rev, but it is noisier and a little more buzzy. It has more of that v-twin feel, which is again personal preference.
Handling is again going to be better on the BMW. It is basically a big sport bike, which means it moves a little bit more than the Challenger will on the highway. It is not big deal, I got used to it right away, but you do notice it at first.
For reliability, I have not had mine long enough to say, but I would suspect the Indian will be cheaper to own over the long haul and have fewer issues. Will it be a lot more, I am not sure by so far the BMW cost about 25% more to maintain. I have had one warranty issues and on recall on it. But, the Indians have had recalls as well.
In the end I think you just have to go ride the two bikes and see for yourself. Do you like the low cruiser style and position or the more sporty BMW style. No wrong decision, they are both very nice bikes.
Hope this helps!
@@LivingOffTheSlab Thanks a lot for your comments, I really appreciate.
Based on that I'm considering again the new Goldwind 2020. From your answers I think it have the perfect balance of comfort and speed. and reliability. Have you tested it by any chance? I had one for 20000 miles and really enjoyed it.
Best regards...
No, I have not had the chance to ride one, but hear they are very nice.
Riding a V-twin in the 4-5000 rpm range? Are you sure you're not just spoiled from riding that K1600 ? Just kidding, great review love the channel.
I am spoiled and I know it is sacrilege, but this a different beast than most big v-twins. Thanks so much!