Indian Challenger Review with Passenger!
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- (And improved audio)!
Original ride review with a bit of audio issues found here:
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Engine & Drivetrain
Bore x Stroke 4.251 in x 3.799 in (108 mm x 96.5 mm)
Compression Ratio 11.0:1
Displacement 108 cu in
Drive/Driven Clutch Wet, Multi-Plate, Assist
Electronic Fuel Injection System Closed loop fuel Injection / 52mm dual bore
Engine Type
PowerPlus
Exhaust Split Dual exhaust w/ Resonator
Horsepower 122 HP (90 KW)
Peak Torque 128 ft-lbs
Peak Torque RPM 3800 rpm
Transmission/Final Drive 2.379:1
Transmission/Primary Drive Gear Drive Wet Clutch
Dimensions
Fuel Capacity 6.0 gal (22.7 L)
Ground Clearance 5.4 in (137.3 mm)
Lean Angle 31°
Overall Height 56.2 in (1428.5 mm)
Overall Length 98.5 in (2500.7 mm)
Overall Width 39 in (990.2 mm)
Rake/Trail 25° / 5.9 in (150 mm)
Seat Height 26.5 in (672 mm)
Weight (Empty Tank / Full of Fuel)805 lbs (365 kg)/840 lbs (381 kg)
Wheelbase 65.7 in (1667.8 mm)
Brakes
Front Brakes Dual / 320mm Semi-Floating Rotor / 4 Piston Radial Caliper
Rear Brakes Single / 298mm Floating Rotor / 2 Piston Caliper
Front Tires
Metzeler Cruisetec 130/60B19 66H
Front WheelCast 19 in x 3.5 in
Rear Tires
Metzeler Cruisetec 180/60R16 80H
Rear Wheel
Cast 16 in x 5 in
Suspension
Front Fork Tube Diameter 43 mm
Inverted Telescopic Fork Front Travel 5.1 in (130 mm)
Rear Suspension Single Shock w/Hyd adjust
Rear Travel 4.5 in (114 mm)
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This is the first review that I’ve actually heard from the passenger. Thanks
You're welcome!
Agreed...your wife's review was priceless...she felt completely comfortable in 2 up riding and bike still has power to spare ..
Finally a passenger perspective!
That was one of the most thorough reviews I’ve seen of the Challenger. Love how clear you were describing the infortainment system. Great video.
Thanks!
This platform is going to make a nice replacement for the Victory Touring Cruiser Deluxe.
Thanks for this helpful video. Your wife's commentary was particularly helpful!
RH, Thanks for taking the time to re-do this review. This bike certainly rates it.
No problem, it needed it. I was really mad that my wire got that cut in it and caused that terrible static in the other.
Great idea having Mrs Hedgehog ride along and give her perspective!
Thanks!
This was a fantastic video wellinformed great perspective for the passenger just an all around terrific video
Nice job! So far this bike has had incredible views! Wondering and hoping it’s the same after the 3000, 5000 mile type reviews start coming out 🤘🏽
Those are the reviews I'm waiting on before I purchase one.
Ray Jones smart sir !
I am trying to convince Indian to allow such a thing to happen, so far the response has been more silent than crickets.
Another fine review Mr. Hedgehog. Your reviews are fantastic, and (although not in the business), I can appreciate that you are respectful to a dealer bike, and not thrashing on it. You're a class act, dude.
Thanks for the support!
Good to hear from the better half. Keep her happy and you know that you have a good bike. 😁
As always love your reviews, adding Honey is a great addition to your reviews! After all, many of us have our Gal on the back!
Indeed that is why I borrowed her here :)
Finally a passenger perspective, thank you for that. Great video.
At 9:06 is one of the most dangerous areas for riding. My next bike will be the challenger. They just need to come out with a tour pack and lowers.
Very solid review of the Challenger. I just took delivery on the 2020 Challenger deepwater metallic. You describe the bike perfectly. One thing I would mention on the mapping page, for OCD guys like me that like to see true course direction and not "North UP" on the GPS screen, if you just touch the N icon on the screen it will convert your map to Course up and then show the compass so you know which direction you're heading. Other Indian owners may already know this but I though it might help to mention. Thanks again for your in depth review and for not thrashing a brand new bike that hasn't been broken in yet.
I just did not play with the settings it was on what it was on. Generally I have it tracing the course live and in 3d mode moving around.
Finallllllyyyy A REVIEW. A watched most of them and this is the best one +1 for passanger exper. 👌
Thanks!
Thank you for this very informative and detailed review with passenger. My wife wants me to get a bigger bike that's more comfortable for her so appreciate the input from your wife.
Cheerz!
Thanks for the support!
You have your foot massager here, your reclining seat here, your all wheel drive button here, your auto pilot right here and your auto park button right here and if you press up up down down left right left right B A select start you and the second rider get 30 lives. Give me a carb, start, stop and throttle by cable and that's all I need. FWIW I love how my HD clunks smoothly in gear, lets you know it's locked in. Thanks for sharing
If I can press the Konami code into the motorcycle and totally get extra lives to ride more motorcycles I am pretty sure it is worth that price! lol
The front end looks like the Yamaha Eluder, profile looks like a RG. Nice review brother stay safe and ....... Ride hard or stay home😎
Sounds like a Vision replacement to me. Definitely something I'm thinking about
Excellent balanced review. Well done brother!
Thanks!
I prefer the styling of the road glide, but the powered windshield and the closer infotainment screen are two things that would have me at least test ride this bike.
Try it when the tour comes around, if it ever gets to come back around.
man, awesome vid! how did you record the passenger voice so well? the sound is fantastic!
I've been trying to do dual vlogs too but so far struggling with sound quality. cheers mate
So we have Cardo pack-talk slims connected so we can hear one another. I then tie in a field recorder and a lav mac so that there is separated audio from the headsets and cameras and then tie them all together. I use a TASCAM DR-05 and DR-05X to complete the recordings.
I am in the minority and a old fart. I love the classic Indian look and my Roadmaster has enough power for me and my wife. The new bike is nice and will appeal to the younger generation or speed demons. I like old cars with lots of chrome to . Us old farts are dying off so Indian needs to modernize. Having said that we old farts have better taste lol just kidding sort of.
I would not say that you have better taste, just got the luck of the draw for the best generation of machines and design. I believe that there is a time and a place for every machine that is out there, Roadmaster, Challenger, Chieftain, Street Glide, Road Glide, Ultra Classics, and whatever else might show up. For a good solid cruise around the country that Roadmaster is going to be the one to go with for all around comfort as the passenger has a throne and the rider one of the best stock touring seats around, the Challenger would be a great solo touring, but add a person and they will be like, hey where's my backrest? My trunk space? etc.
Thank you for the review!
My pleasure!
If they would have stuck with the Victory styling I would have bought one, I just can’t get over the look of the fairing and the plastic around the engine. Ended up buying a roadglide instead.
Ahh but that CB1100! Have a 2014 myself!
Harley is in deep trouble. I love my Sporty, but Indian is trailblazing with this one.
For sure. Also keep the Sporty cause they are fun! I have a heart for them as it was the first bike I ever owned myself, an Iron 883.
A shot of the pillion would have been helpful.
Great review! Now I want one!
Take one out for a test ride some time.
My favorite color
The irony.
Thanks & Enjoy
Your explaining sounds like an airline pilot or a tour guide!!!
Nice bike...
You' ve been on the Kawasaki Vaquero. So how do they compare? I just bought a new 2021 Vaquero. Love the ride and the price. Under 17k
The Kawasaki offers a great ride and the creature comforts at a good price point, though a little dated and underpowered compared to the Challenger. I do still believe though that it's a great motorcycle and gets the job done right.
The challenger needs a tourpak!
Buy the pursuit.
Indian of OKC is the best!
They are fantastic people to work with!
Very well done presentation, with assistant. I've seen nothing but glowing opinions on the videos I've watched, so i can believe y'all are not Indian sales people LOL. My only concern is I never buy a first run vehicle, I can't wait to be disloyal to myself. Is it gear driven primary like my cross country ?, I don't hear the sowing machine.
It is a gear drive yes. I have been impressed with the Polaris first year efforts on these machines.
Wish you could do a base model review
Finally a test with a passenger! Been wanting this since it came out..how does the mono shock deal with two passangers. How does the bike handle with a passenger
Very well! Even better than the Chieftain to be honest.
Many channels not concern of passenger perspective, well done
The DEVINE Mrs. "R" (hey, Bond had "Q")
Cheers bro 🤙🏾
Hello Thank you for the video.
Very interested by this bike. Wanted to buy a Roadglide Ultra in 2017 but because of the wind buffet for for my passenger I bought and Electra Glide.
So is the passenger getting buffet once the windshield is up? Around 70 MPH
I think I would buy a longer waved windshield but interested in your opinion for riding passenger comfort with open\half helmet?
Thanks,
Mario
My passenger was 5'3" and did not experience any buffeting with the windshield fully up and had a little bit of wind when fully down at highway speeds of around 70 or so. If your passenger is taller may experience different results.
Very informative review. Straight to point. How does it compare to the 2020 chieftain?
I am going to get a review of one with a 116
@@RabidHedgehog can't wait bro, keep em coming
looks good !!
Is it better then the chieftain??
But it doesn't have the classic look
Very much
Rapid, I can't really tell from your comments on the video... do you like the bike? :-)
Maybe... I am not sure ;)
@rabid, how does it compare to the Triumph Rocket 3 for power and comfort?
The Rocket is more potent by far and I like the more cushiony seat on the Triumph better. Challenger has more goodies to play with and is plenty customizable too. Just do not believe you can reach Rocket performance out of this one at all though. Challenger for long rides out of the wind. Rocket to just make the earth breeze by.
This is the best Indian I’ve never rode !!
"I've never Ridden" lol...
@@danielgannon9502 thx (thanks) for the grammatical correction, but "pun" was intended in my comment lol. No offence meant..
How would you compare the "fit and finish" to that of a harley?
The Indian does have some plastic bits in places where HD does have metal (switch gear housings and some covers), but everything else is on par to me.
What's the orange light on the speedo display.
Cruise control on, not set.
too much extraneous black plastic compared to Road Glide as Harley, seriously that upper fairing black plastic looks tacked on
I wouldn't. The Goldwing is still on top of the food chain
It is a precision machine, but let's not forget about the ball bearing steering head that fails and causes a wobble. They all have faults they all have advantages. Sometimes it's okay to just lumber along on a big twin.
Another guy did an honest comparison of the two bikes. I forget the outcome but it was very close.
Great idea for a video. Would be nice to know her inseam and how her legs ride. My wife has about 32" and she usually feels her knees are a little high on the Indians. I think the Indian floorboards are adjustable though. She likes those better.
I was wondering about that seat. It seems kinda skinny and low in the passenger area.
I look forward to the introduction of a Road King style and a tour pak.
I'll add it to the next video. My wife's inseam is only 27 inches or so, but it's under 28. She believes this one is better than the Chieftain as it is a bit longer.
You should have the passenger back rest
Well, it was a dealer bike.... But if I get one...
Indian ? Victory? Tomato? Tomato? Hahahah!! Still a Victory in Indian clothing. Indian died in 53!!
Well, yes and no. The assets of the original Indian have been sold and traded and bought again and dumped and brought back for years. And in technicality HD died in 1969 when AMF bought them out to save them from certainly shuddering its doors. So yeah... I am not nitpicking a brand name.
@@RabidHedgehog such a great reply ! LOL
My God, you call these A motor cycle? Sorry you made me laugh. To me it comes from some place where nobody has ever seen one before, what we call " Motor Bike ". If you're to said these come from years 1900, them I Maybe will take it .
I wish there was a “translation” button! 😁
it's a Performance Bagger.. Victory Is dead ! sheesh... #PowerPlus108
Steven Harleynot Victory will live on with this bike and the Scout. The engine on this bike was originally a Victory design and the Scout is just a rebadged Victory Octane. This challenger is the first bike to bring me back to Polaris.
@@shisno314 LOL, the Challenger says MFG by Indian Motorcycle on the frame. Live off that non-legendary, discontinued Victory Brand if you like... it never made a dime. I'm a PII shareholder fyi. Please don't try and drag the Iconic Indian Motorcycle brand down the Victory shithole. Hanging onto that VOG "new cross country" spyshot is not healthy. Michael Song designs are gone thank God. Greg Brew (Head Director Of Industrial Design at Polaris) told me to my face that they bought the rights to the Indian Brand for #StreetCred. R.I.P. Victory #ImNotNew #IronIndians www.mrzip66.com/2017/01/09/rip-victory-motorcycles-shuts-down/
ua-cam.com/video/b5w4F6ak2Kk/v-deo.html
@@shisno314 the scout and octane came out at the same time ..the octane got a slightly bigger motor . Think the same as in the FTR
It's a copy of the Road Glide. It was designed to compete with the Road Glide. Dur.
Thats ok, Electra glides copied the goldwing. Nothing but good competition, unless you cannot compete.
@@johnrice8313 Wrong. Electra glides were introduced in 69 with the fairing. The goldwing wasn't introduced until 74 and didn't go into production until 75. The Electra glide was in production beginning in 65.
@@davidkelly1639 I stand corrected. I still like the Indian though. JMO.
It is not a copy, it is an idea, Harley did not make their own fairings until the late 70s. Electra Glides, like Gold wings were not equipped with fairings until later in their production. BWM was the first motorcycle company to offer a production motorcycle with fairing in 1976 with the R100RS. Harley used Vetter fairings and the first "Bat Wing" was made in the mid-60s, but was not of HD origin either. Competition drove HD to use fairings, competition drove Indian to build this bike, Competition has forced HD to make a BMW GS series and a Ducati Monster if you want to call out copying, fine we'll do it. But this is not a copy, it is original, it has more character lines, it has a better chassis, it has a better engine, it has better equipment in general. It is a healthier competitor to the Road Glide, but not a copy.
@@RabidHedgehog - Royal Enfield, 1958. First fairing'd motorcycle. And it's gonna be a copy forever... That's what you call it when you are imitating something because you need one too, regardless of mechanical differences or cosmetics. It was produced to entice buyers away from Road Glides and to an Indian in the hopes of turning them into long term owners and devotees. Most of Indian's product line is because they're trying to get the market share. You don't even have to know someone in Indian to know this, you can tell just by looking at the lineup and how it changes to handle HD's gains or misses.
How tall is your wife.?
5'2"
It’s a copy of the Roadglide,
Not even close... I worked for Harley, been on many road glides, stared into their ugly faces over and over again and I can tell you they are worlds apart. Same idea, but totally different. Also How's Harley's BMW GS series coming along? Or The Harley Ducati Monster? There is no copying there either, just competition getting spicy.