There are definitely benefits for Char first, but the difficulty is just so much higher than Kaldir that in any challenge run scenario you almost always just default to that one.
This is a challenge run whose challenge isn't actually possible in every situation, and when it is, it's not as challenging as it should be. I don't think there's a greater tragedy when it comes to challenge runs than that.
I *WOULD* have watched all 3 of these the day that the first one came out but I actually have to be rather structured in watching through stuff to have enough time to get through it all. Besides, it's good to savor that A1 content.
Tbh the Zerg in SC2 aren't a great faction to base the campaign around if you're looking for challenges because of how they were designed within it. It feels like they tried to go the way of Age of Mythology with a fun and cool spectacle taking precedent over balance, but they forgot to make the enemy stronger for it in the way that matters the most: Giving them their own dumb crap that ultimately balances the scales overall.
Theoretically if I could take the second hatchery, sure. However spawn camping demands that you need a ton of crawlers on both sides to tank damage and finish off enemies for Corpsers to spawn in waves, and drones on standby to constantly morph in more and more crawlers whenever needed. Without that added economy it's just not doable.
Here's what makes heart of the swarm brutal different from hard You Take hard difficulty. Now add on a +25% damage taken modifier and buff tanks. That's pretty much it
If you want to replicate it at home, try zooming your camera off and on Spine Crawlers while they're attacking. If you time it right they go fucking flying, it's incredible.
This seems like an easier no production challenge, still looks like hell to go through though. Im glad to see more content from your channel, I was starting to miss your dead voice Also yes I know its a monthly video sched, just miss your voice :C
I mean, for the last few missions it's essentially the same challenge. For the first few, nah. Not even half of the missions are possible. Key thing to note as always with that comparison, Brutal is an entirely different ball game when compared to Normal or even Hard.
The HOTS options really is bullshit broken huh, holy crap. No wonder it's famously the easiest campaign. It's essentially a power fantasy. Iirc isn't LotV the campaign with he most brutal enemies? I don't remember if it's the hardest one since you do get access to ridiculous shit like timestop, but in terms of enemies and general difficulty LotV was the highest.
WOL is the hardest overall, but there are a few missions in LOTV that are harder than missions in WOL. Most missions are easier though. Spear of Adun is completely busted
@@Ghi102 yeah I remember it's by far the hardest if you don't use adun for it, you notice how strong adun is and how insane the enemies in LotV are when you fight it without any active abilities lmao. Overall you can bypass bullshit missions of any kind with just a single timestop though. That ability is hilariously funny.
@@acehughj4527 Can attest to this. Even when i 'cheated' and got the passive ones + loaded all solarite into the auxillary,ones, LoTV is still way harder.
I never understood why wild mutation is so underrated, I always seen it dicussed as the worst of the three but the synergy with raptorling is just crazy. Like, do I want to mend my ultralisk, or do I want to transform my pack of zergling into honorary ultralisk? I tend to prefer the latter =p
I mean Spawn Banelings has a very good chance of just instantly deleting the enemy force. and Mend for 150 on a short ass cooldown allows her to just walk through most armies.
@@nacl4988 I feel like it's more a case of "kerrigan is so op that you don't *need* to do more than spamming mend and walking her through the ennemy forces" rather than it being much better.
Just saying if getting the second hatch on shoot the messenger ruins the run because the game gives you a two more supply then this run is over from the start cause the game gives you 200 once the second fase starts. You could argue that one can be avoided but it's the same premise. The game gave you something in the level
Problem is that requires minerals. In order to do the pure greed strat not only do we have to have a TON of minerals saved up, but we also are entirely unable to rebuild mutas until the supply evens out to where it used to be, which is terrible.
I mean this in the nicest way possible, I don't think I've heard a single human being ever fucking say "Oh damn it, that drop killed my pylons and now I'm Psi blocked!!" or "Well this roach army comp is really effective at flooding the map, but you really quickly reach 200 control".
@@maltardraco9555 Starcraft 2 didn't keep this distinction. In SC1, the three different supply types were literally different supply counters, and maps where you controlled more than one race required you to track each separately. In SC2 it's all mixed into one pool, which is called "Supply" in game, even if it has other names in lore.
![I got the Heart of the Swarm Speedrun World Record! [Speedrun Showcase]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/yZCcmOQi_o0/mqdefault.jpg)
Defeated by the tutorial, truly lab rat is a bastard of a mission.
A rat bastard mission, could you say?
@@unexpected2475 har dee har.
With that start, I was legit expecting just a 30 minute video of you just AFK in the tutorial
I was considering it, but ultimately I'd have to upload an actual HotS video at some point for the trilogy so I decided to scrap it :(
@@DaveyGunface next do this and name it
"legit Hots video no supplay without any overlord or mission supplay boost
@@arafatmarius331 "Heart of the Swarm: No Overlords Run"
Technicly, overlords increase CONTROL, not supply, so according to the title it could be a regular playthrough of HoTS
@@vikingsundlof9040 mean I'm pretty sure it's only called control in 1, and all 3 use supply in 2, but I could be wrong.
7:35 for my own more casual playthroughs i highly enjoyed going to char first, as making infinite banelings with Niadra is just hilarious
There are definitely benefits for Char first, but the difficulty is just so much higher than Kaldir that in any challenge run scenario you almost always just default to that one.
This is a challenge run whose challenge isn't actually possible in every situation, and when it is, it's not as challenging as it should be. I don't think there's a greater tragedy when it comes to challenge runs than that.
I never realized how op the infestors are until you compared them to the hive mind emulators
I *WOULD* have watched all 3 of these the day that the first one came out but I actually have to be rather structured in watching through stuff to have enough time to get through it all. Besides, it's good to savor that A1 content.
16:48 minigun hydra my beloved
Tbh the Zerg in SC2 aren't a great faction to base the campaign around if you're looking for challenges because of how they were designed within it. It feels like they tried to go the way of Age of Mythology with a fun and cool spectacle taking precedent over balance, but they forgot to make the enemy stronger for it in the way that matters the most: Giving them their own dumb crap that ultimately balances the scales overall.
I loved you incantation at the end.
Even the no production run is impossible because of the first mission. hehehe
I'm wondering if in The Crucible you could push to the map edges and spawn camp with crawlers, then focus your army on the bottom entrance?
Theoretically if I could take the second hatchery, sure. However spawn camping demands that you need a ton of crawlers on both sides to tank damage and finish off enemies for Corpsers to spawn in waves, and drones on standby to constantly morph in more and more crawlers whenever needed. Without that added economy it's just not doable.
@@DaveyGunface Ah, understand, thanks!
Kerrigan is just too powerful, she can't be contained by simple challenge run logic
Why no one did hots with no kerrigan?
@@АльбионФармер Giant Grant Games did it.
@@АльбионФармер some no build missions are too difficult without kerrigan. other than that, someone did hots without kerrigan.
Here's what makes heart of the swarm brutal different from hard
You Take hard difficulty. Now add on a +25% damage taken modifier and buff tanks.
That's pretty much it
Usually, tutorials recquires using important mechanics. Luckily, they didn't recquire an overlord in this game's first level!
This is the first video I've seen with the new UA-cam UI, great as always
4:49 what is that strain of spine crawlers! Give me that!
If you want to replicate it at home, try zooming your camera off and on Spine Crawlers while they're attacking. If you time it right they go fucking flying, it's incredible.
Thank you. I will add the ability to overloards immeadiadley
Brakk just fucking JIRATING against the wall made me chuckle ngl
"Assuming the corpsers weren't corpsing away"
My favorite part is when that corpser said "it's corpsin time" and corpsed all over those guys.
You must construct additional pylons
First chapter "Depresssion"
Heart of the Swarm is the easiest campaign of all the time, even on Brutal
HotS Brutal is honestly comparable to WoL Hard and even Normal at times.
Unless you add challenge elements to it, like say, only zerglings?
This seems like an easier no production challenge, still looks like hell to go through though. Im glad to see more content from your channel, I was starting to miss your dead voice
Also yes I know its a monthly video sched, just miss your voice :C
I mean, for the last few missions it's essentially the same challenge. For the first few, nah. Not even half of the missions are possible.
Key thing to note as always with that comparison, Brutal is an entirely different ball game when compared to Normal or even Hard.
@@DaveyGunface makes sense, now I look back at it I forgot one of the first protoss campaign mission is impossible
Lol at the Brakk seizure :D
The HOTS options really is bullshit broken huh, holy crap. No wonder it's famously the easiest campaign.
It's essentially a power fantasy.
Iirc isn't LotV the campaign with he most brutal enemies? I don't remember if it's the hardest one since you do get access to ridiculous shit like timestop, but in terms of enemies and general difficulty LotV was the highest.
WOL is the hardest overall, but there are a few missions in LOTV that are harder than missions in WOL. Most missions are easier though. Spear of Adun is completely busted
@@Ghi102 yeah I remember it's by far the hardest if you don't use adun for it, you notice how strong adun is and how insane the enemies in LotV are when you fight it without any active abilities lmao. Overall you can bypass bullshit missions of any kind with just a single timestop though. That ability is hilariously funny.
We need a unit named spear of Adun
Imagine orbital strike spam
@@acehughj4527 Can attest to this.
Even when i 'cheated' and got the passive ones + loaded all solarite into the auxillary,ones, LoTV is still way harder.
I was wondering if there is any chance of some Warcraft 3 challenge runs?
Loved the video. Did the q&a response video get canceled?
It hasn't, but this video series took so much more time to make than expected so I'm only just now really working on the next few projects
@@DaveyGunface okay thanks for responding
Damn he is still alive
I never understood why wild mutation is so underrated, I always seen it dicussed as the worst of the three but the synergy with raptorling is just crazy. Like, do I want to mend my ultralisk, or do I want to transform my pack of zergling into honorary ultralisk? I tend to prefer the latter =p
I mean Spawn Banelings has a very good chance of just instantly deleting the enemy force.
and Mend for 150 on a short ass cooldown allows her to just walk through most armies.
@@nacl4988 I feel like it's more a case of "kerrigan is so op that you don't *need* to do more than spamming mend and walking her through the ennemy forces" rather than it being much better.
@@Laezar1well if you have the option of macro up and build, Or just not bothering, and both work equally well. I'm not gonna bother
@@nacl4988 I mean, fair enough, I just like, y'know, playing the game xD
you're welcome
the scripting is entertaining :) One itneresting video :)
Just saying if getting the second hatch on shoot the messenger ruins the run because the game gives you a two more supply then this run is over from the start cause the game gives you 200 once the second fase starts.
You could argue that one can be avoided but it's the same premise. The game gave you something in the level
NANI?!
No queen?
J Allen Brakk XD
now run without roaches
the hate on LoL players is warrented
why do you kill the workers just order them to morph and start making the mutas then cancel the mirphing no??
Problem is that requires minerals. In order to do the pure greed strat not only do we have to have a TON of minerals saved up, but we also are entirely unable to rebuild mutas until the supply evens out to where it used to be, which is terrible.
Actually for Zerg, it is called Control.
Terran = Supply
Zerg = Control
Protoss = Psi
I mean this in the nicest way possible, I don't think I've heard a single human being ever fucking say "Oh damn it, that drop killed my pylons and now I'm Psi blocked!!" or "Well this roach army comp is really effective at flooding the map, but you really quickly reach 200 control".
@@DaveyGunface You never played Starcraft 1?
@@maltardraco9555 I'm selecting more than 12 units at a time so I don't think that's all too relevant here.
@@maltardraco9555 Starcraft 2 didn't keep this distinction. In SC1, the three different supply types were literally different supply counters, and maps where you controlled more than one race required you to track each separately. In SC2 it's all mixed into one pool, which is called "Supply" in game, even if it has other names in lore.
@@Kerostasis So building a supply depot means I can control more zerg in 2 but not 1?
Why video is released 30min ago but comments are from 2 d ago
He released all of the videos unlisted on the same day. If you look at his comment, you can watch his LOTV early
I love your voice
Like of mine you have
6:51, communism
i love your channel and this video is great but i had to listen to it on 1.25x playback speed
wtf davey gunfarce failing challenge immediately cancel plz