Trident - Up and Over Rig tutorial/discussion
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- Опубліковано 11 лют 2021
- Out in the workshop on a cold February afternoon making rigs and experimenting with terminal tackle. The Trident range is very low in cost when compared to other brands and in particular the Gemini variants.
I'm keen to try a locked in hook snood compared to my usual running ledger arrangement and the adjustable crimps made by Breakaway.
Using the designated crimp tool and crimps, this is my first experience using these items and I’m keen see how they compare to power gum stop knots.
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Hi Mark great video 😎👍🏻
Great job
I bet you catch a flounder with that 2/0 hook 🤣 . Great video once again and another rig I can try and make.
It wouldn’t surprise me if I caught one when targeting something else, that’s the way it goes. 😉
Great video as usual, can't wait to see the rigs in action
Thank you, I’m curious about this one as well.
Thanks again Mark . I am lazy when it comes to making rigs but watching you
It have inspired me to give it a go. Looking forward to your next adventure. Take care ps I would like a couple of your stickers Mark .
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Great informative video thanks Mark. The breakaway adjustable crimps look interesting - gonna check them out. I've always had doubts about using crimps for fear of them damaging the rig body, but those look the business! Good luck with the fishing - look forward to the video! Stay safe & well. 👍👍
When gishing larger single baits ive gone over to using up&over rigs for a while now, with hooklength 5ft or so long. Started of using fixed snoods, but then went over to sliding version, seems to give better bite detection
Pulleys and up’n’over rigs fish differently but are both amazing to have ready to go. 2 of the most popular rig videos on the channel are the 2 where we discuss and modify up and overs. Amazing for rays.
Never used the adjustable crimps before. Maybe one day il give them a shot if I ever come across them. Well explained video 👍
I think they may have a place in my tackle box, I’ll see how it goes. 👍🏻
Hi Mark ! As usually lovely video. I have 2 up and over rigs full trident :one with hair elastic silicon from my daughter really good as a stop knots power gum and one with adjustable crimps. I am happy with both of them ...good stuff. I used on high tide but no luck only tangled.. on low tide its a lot more better .. i hope will bring u lots of fishes this rig.. i had whiting... happy fishing and tight lines👍😉
Thank you for the kind words, I think this type of rig fishes best with a current so either a rising or falling tide. Slack at high water could lead to tangles.
Worth dressing your rig as it hits the water and stretches out before it settles.
Hi mark can’t wait to see it in use to see if you like using the trident components the hang over clips have never let me down hopefully you catch on them and enjoy using the hangover clips which I think are a fantastic piece of kit and at a sensible price as well look forward to seeing the result and your thoughts on the components.
All the best
Lee
An up and over using the “hangover” is a tidy solution if the tension is right.
Hi mate great video just received my order from trident absolutely fantastic gear and the price is just miles away from the rest 👏👏👏💪
My particular favourite is the Termalink.
Cracking video mark
Cheers SKF 👍🏻
Hi Mark, looking forward to your next Vid as Ive never used a fixed up & over, fishing for Bass or Smooth Hounds. I use a running up & over with two or three Neophrene snippets under a bead before the Trident Hang over( Spring and plastic bit) then a bead followed by one Neophrene snippet. I`m realy intrested to see how you get on with the adjustable krimps. Great well explained Vid as always.🍻👍
It is all an experiment for me but I will do another video with improvements and a post use view.
I make my up and over rigs with Trident tackle now, I really rate it. I think it increased my catch rate for rays and hounds. Good luck fishing tomorrow.
Cheers Gareth.
Hi Mark, have you made a follow up to the trident videos? I'm a fan of theirs but have struggled with the roto clip with my "sausage fingers" and a big bait plus the pulley would always bring my line in twisted. I'm about to try their " kicker" to see if it's easier than the roto. Might make a good follow up vid?
Pete, I haven't made a follow up yet as I like to give these things a proper workout. You have reminded me though 👍🏻
I like it and will try making this rig myself.
Let us know how you get on. 🎣👍🏻
@Mark Williams Sea Angling well rigs are still great but I still am not catching 7blanks on the bounce now, but I won't give in as it won't last forever
@@garethrodd5351 where are you fishing?
Mostly penarth but also the cold knap in barry. Going out again Thursday morning at penarth again as I need to stay very local so fingers crossed 🤞.
Hi mark be interesting to see how you get on with the crimps and captive snood , personally I prefer stop knots but keen to see how the crimps work. I also use a bead with a SRT spring do you have any trouble with the springs rusting I have had a couple rust even rinsing and drying after use like to hear your thoughts on that one happy fishing mate
The SRT springs certainly have a life span of only a few uses even if they are washed/dried. When they get a little crispy that is when I change them but usually make a fresh rig then even if the body still has some life left in it.
I think we all have our favourite components and they tend to be a mix of manufacturers. I do like the Trident stuff but it gets mixed with other stuff that they don't yet make. I like an up & over with a pulley bead at the bottom but the aero doesn't really suit being at the bottom of a rig as it can't spin so the Tronix or Breakaway pulley bead is still my preference for that. I will keep watching Trident for any new products that come out.
Have used the trident hangover lots of times now and think they are great but have stopped using the roto bait clip as hasn't released the hook on two occasions..changed to the imp.good luck catching the bass
I have had a couple of non releases with the Rotobait and really like the IMP.
Tried the hangover clip last night for the first time in anger, which was not a great success partly due to the adverse weather but also the two inexperienced fishing companions I had also leant the rigs to, even I who fully understood the workings and had made the rigs myself had trouble. At first sight the clip looks great very neat and discreet, unfortunatly I consider it to be too small with not enough area to grip the line. I will be forced to go back to using cut down Relay Clips without the leg that recieves the rubber tube using an SRT spring, bead and silicone tube adjustable stop
Interesting to hear your experience, could I ask what lb body and snood you were using along with the length?
@@seaangling Yes it was a 60 lb rig body with a 17lb fluro snood 4foot long, the bottom clip did not help much either as it was an all wire giant bait and lead clip
Im thinking of trying the gemini splashdown clip
@@seafishinggirl the combination of Fluro and rig body might have been the issue. Fluro doesn’t stretch/give like mono and doubled up would have been stiffer than the rig body. 20lb amnesia may have worked better.
When I make my rigs I try them out attached from the top to a wire in my workshop. Putting them under strain and releasing as it unloads will show most faults.
Great vid again Mark.... But can I ask, what is the purpose of the crimp above the srt spring and hangover clip? Totally get the one underneath for adjustments and tensioning but see no benefits of the one above and is just creating another potential weak spot
I totally agree and even as i was doing it I realised it was not needed. I will do a second video where I capture all aspects from the comments and changes needed after fishing with it.
Doing these videos this way help those new to rig making to see how you develop and adjust your rigs to species/conditions/use.
I hope that helps. 👍🏻
I have never had an issue with roto. And that's because I don't use pyramid shaped leads. Maybe that is the reason for bait clip to fail.
Evening Mark looks good 👍
Thank you, are you using something similar?
@@seaangling yes very similar
Hi Mark I love your channel. Just made up a few... 10 of your hybrid Trident/Gemini pulley dropper rigs with power gum. In this one you use adjustable crimps. Did the power gum let you down or are you like me love to try new things?
I like trying new things and was interested to see how the adjustable crimps compare with the power gum. I think gum beats on performance but the crimps are very easy.
@@seaangling I may be a bit strange but like the feeling when you have achieved a decent system of repeating a good knot. Gum brings a different dimension :)
Do the adjustable crimps stay put under pressure of distance casting? Never used them before.
I don’t know yet buddy but I will give them a good work out soon.
Be interesting to hear your opinion on how this compares to others, if it does.
Had sorted an order for trident Tackle, and was going to double check it, when I received notification that they were suspending sales.
Yeah, blame me.
Hope they come through this OK.
Good luck and stay safe. 👍👏👌😷
The pandemic has hit a lot of companies both in supply of materials and in production.
Fingers crossed for all of those struggling out there. 🤞🏻
As I've just said to Mark above, sales were suspended due to raw material supply issues - email from Gary at Trident this morning - sales hopefully open again from Monday 8th March.
Great rig, I’m using detachable hook lengths but when is it most effective to use the different lengths? my shortest is 3ft and longest is 6ft. Thanks
Tide and species will dictate when to vary the length. For smooth hounds actively on the feed and not fussy, 3’ is perfect.
For sensitive rays and if you are using grip weights you want the bait as far away from the lead as possible and for this I use a maximum of 5’. I must admit I’ve never gone as long as 6’. It is beneficial to set the rig after casting and draw back as it falls through the water on the drop. This will straighten everything out and give the hook snood a chance to fish it’s very best.
@@seaangling Perfect, thank you!
Hi Mark, sorry if i sound dumb but what is the reason of putting a terminal link at the end of the rig which connects to the splash down, can't you just use a snap clip instead which are cheaper?
Hi David, the Termalink is there to attach to the Rotobait. Both of those are Trident components and this is a Trident orientated rig. 👍🏻
If you want to use a solo splashdown you can tie that direct and save the clip.
Thanks for the quick reply Mark. I bought a load of Trident tackle gear before they stopped supplying, I would just like to know the best way to utilise it as it looks good and affordable
Thanks Mark for another good tutorial. I'd like to try the Trident roto-bait clip and terma-link but emailed Trident twice late last year to see if they could send them to NZ (for a while last year at height of pandemic first wave, mail from the UK could not be sent here). Got no answer either time..... any idea why?
The pandemic has hit UK businesses hard and a lot are at reduced output or shut down altogether.
Once restrictions lift and if you still can’t get a global delivery, I’d be happy to send some out to you. 👍🏻
Thanks Mark 😊
@@seaangling
Mark - I had an email from Gary at Trident at the end of January stating that they were going to have to shut down due to problems with raw material supplies.
Had another email just this morning to say that problems are being resolved and they hope to resume sales from Monday 8th March. Hope this info is helpful. Dave.
Good luck fishing, hard going around Southampton at the mo.
I blanked recently and caught a 5” bass on another. It is certainly hard work out there from the shore and bitter cold.
@@seaangling fingers crossed for you. Was going Sunday but weather no good.
hi mark, the eastbourne fisherman, jason said he had a great contact for his merch, i mentioned on your last live were having trouble finding someone, he said he will contact you, hope this helps
Cheers, I appreciate it. 👍🏻
Mark, is the Trident Kicker taking over from the Trident Roto?
I haven’t had any yet as supplies have been affected by COVID. I’m interested to have a look and try them out.
Hi Mark, great video - again- always useful. One question, which may have been asked by others in the past. With our seas already awash with plastic which as anglers we probably witness more than most, do you think we, and the tackle companies, ought to be trying not to introduce more plastic via the terminal tackle we use? I have made an effort to reduce the plastic I use with no discernible difference in outcome. I know we all get annoyed by anglers who leave rubbish on the beach, so why leave it in the sea?
A very valid point and worth discussion. I have recently read the the largest contributor to plastic pollution in the sea comes from lost trawl gear/netting.
Trying to reduce any plastic getting into the sea and eventually ending up as micro plastics in our food chain has to be high in everyone’s thoughts. There are metal alternatives to terminal tackle but the line of choice is still mono. I believe the correct rig and line discrimination for the conditions species will almost eliminate tackle loss. If tackle loss persists then maybe it is right to move along and fish elsewhere.
I think with everything there is a balance to be struck and education to share.
I don’t pretend to know the answers but I do appreciate your thoughts. It has been some time since I last lost a rig.
@@seaangling I guess I've gone to the rule of every little helps. But yes being thoughtful of the conditions and adapting rigs to suit is an excellent point. My own changes came frpm the amount of mono I dredged up fishing in the Bristol Channel, a notorious tackle graveyard. The light tackle, better fight notion, has always been difficult for me, better save the fight and get the fish back as quickly as possible. We are after all lover of the sea and its wildlife.
Nah Steve I disagree with about leaving plastic in the sea because it wouldn’t happen if people used shockleader on there reels with the right lb line the aswell well as for rigs you have to use plastic on the rigs
Hi there where best place to get trident hangover clip
They use to be mail order only from Trident but lots of shops stock them now.
Keen to try making some grip leads but not sure which make of mould to buy. Has anybody got any recommendations? 5 and 6 oz
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@@seaangling they look interesting. will have a look at reviews. thanks bud 👍
I perfer the lead to be running on the shockleader with a 100lb casting swivel and a imp because it’s a big fish rig
Interesting, what is the benefit of that configuration?
@@seaangling it’s just the way I use it for my rays and smooth hounds fishing becasue I only use 4/0 uptide hooks and I use 7-8oz leads with it
@@vincentkemp88 leads sound heavy but obviously depends where you are fishing. I’d be interested to see how you set up your rig.
Where I fish is very deep and hard running but it chucks up double figure fish quite regularly
@@seaangling also I use half bluey or mackerel fillets targeting bass and rays
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