Perfect Dark's Lost Sequels - Unseen64
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These cancelled Perfect Dark games would have released on the Xbox 360. They would've had a more serious tone than both Perfect Dark Zero and the original N64 title, and would have been securely based in sci-fi rather than fantasy. Perfect Dark: Core was worked on for about a year, starting in 2006 and into 2007. Liam Robertson is a video game researcher and archiver. In his spare time, Liam creates videos and articles for Unseen64, but will also be contributing to the DidYouKnowGaming channel.
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So much potential for rareware in the past, and yet Microsoft decided to turn them into a "kinect shitshow."
A lot of big corporations are kind of cut off from the rest of society. They don't really know what people want, and feel they can get away with telling people what they want because, for the most part, they're the only ones supplying it. Corporations want to make money, as we all do, but sometimes the best way to make money is to not obsess on it. When ps2 was coming out, sony told it's developers to think about having fun instead of making money, and as we can see that led to a lot of good stuff for playstation.
Microsoft has a lot of good things for it, as the xbox did, but the advent of the Microsoft Xbox signalled the corporatization of video games. Video games were almost in that limbo sweet spot between being indie (creative but poor) and being mainstream (consistent and well funded but not always creative). The upside to this corporatization is that a lot more games are multiplatform, so you don't miss as much if you chose one console over the other. The downside? Well, like I said, less creativity. And that DLC BS where they sell you an incomplete game and then charge you another game's worth for "DLC" that probably should have been in the game all along (somebody needs to go to jail over battlefront)..
Part of the reason they can get away from this is because of their monopoly and money, they're like the one and only source. It's hard to go to someone else. INdie developers can make good games, but it's gonna be like Dust: An Elysian Tale. Good game, but it's not like current gen 3d graphics.
Because there's a lot of people's pay checks waiting on it, many video games have become clones of other games with a nice paintjob. That doesn't mean they're all bad, but it does reduce variety. It's like the "cool kids" in school in the 90s. They think they're all "bad" and "rebellious" and "unique" when really they're more controlling, intolerant, conforming, and authoritarian than the parents they pretend to be rebelling against.
So it is with the recent splurge of Call of Duty games. It's not that these games are all bad....it's just that they took one really good game and cloned it. Doesn't mean the clones are bad, but they are clones and know that people will buy them. The corporations would rather go with what's safe and what they know people will buy, even if it's a piece of shit, or something half way decent that's been done to death.
This wouldn't be as much of a problem if people's indie type stuff wasn't getting bought out by them and then reformed to assimilate to the formula.
Fortunately, we're seeing a lot of indie stuff allow individuals to stretch their wings and experiment. Don't expect a bunch of well funded Call of Duty equivalents in the indie realm, but do expect some unique NES and SNES style games.
+ACEnBEAKY wow * slow claps*
Wasn't it Rare's idea to churn out those Kinect games?
To be fair Nintendo weren't exactly doing great for them with de-railing Dinosaur Planet and putting some rather obnoxious stipulations on Diddy Kong Racing among others. they were great when they were left to do their thing, but both companies meddled way too much.
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"Perfect Dark: Core" sounds really good :/
riggght?
I actually have perfect dark fro the n64 on cartridge. It's a really good fps but I don't really like first person shooters that much but even I enjoyed it.
Piplup42Lol Yeah, I had the cart *at the time of its release*; bought it brand new, in a box, from Wal-Mart. I still remember it! This game was literally *the* reason y I bought an N64 Expansion Pak, again, at the time. (Yeah, I didn't get mine with DK64...I bought it separately for THIS game. ;~D)
There are two books of Perfect Dark, and I would 100% reccomend them. Both are very long books, and the story is compelling. It takes place after Zero and before the original. Perfect Dark: Initial Vector and Perfect Dark: Second Front.
Really, now? that seems interesting.
Holy shit that two part series sounded amazing and that Mr blonde twist and the earth one would've destroyed my mind
watch the sequel actually happen, and everyone who watched this would be spoiled :/
+Bucketfullabiscuits Well.....shit.
They'd rework a lot either way.
+StudioInkblot poooop :3
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Perfect Dark Core? No...
Kinectimals? Yes!
Perfect Dark had so much potential. I still play the old N64 game every now and then and think of what could have been...
damn microsoft..they destroyed the spirit of Rare..looks like they bought Rare just to stop them from making perfect games for Nintendo!!
It's Nintendo's fault for selling Rare.
+NukeA6 The reason Nintendo sold their 49% sharw was because Rare sold their own 51% to Microsoft, meaning Nintendo in practice wouldn't have a say about anything anyways.
So they self-destroyed themself.. so sad..
Yup that's how capitalism works. You do whatever you can to eliminate competition so you can make more money.
TomNook77
Oh boy, another social marxist? Go look up corporatism before you blame something on Capitalism and maybe you won't look like a total idiot.
Microsoft: "Let's buy Rare but never use their IP..."
This is exactly why IP needs to be abolished.
+JukaDominator true but I was just being facetious. I think M$ bought Rare more than take away from Nintendo than to help themselves
yep. wouldnt trust microsoft not to ruin what it's got so far. its better off dead
iraqilemonade Exactly, IP being used for its intent: to destroy competition.
Stavros Alithinos I think PDZ was fine
"It wasn't all for loss. They used some of the tech for Nuts and Bolts."
So it was indeed, all for loss.
eh. nuts and bolts isnt bad. its just a bad banjo kazooie game. If they gave the game a original cast of characters it actually would have done pretty good... but then they put classic characters in a type of game as far from what we want from them as possible. I hated it when I was playing it wanting banjo threeie...but then I came back to it a lot later and kinda blocked the banjo part of it out of my mind. and it wasnt all that bad.
so microsoft ruined three IPs with their decisions, banjo kazooie, Perfect dark, and whatever Nuts and bolts could have been if they hadnt made the dumb decision of forcing a popular franchise to fit into something it wasn't.
almost like nintendo is doing with that shitty kiddie metroid game
victomba
how is it kiddie? and it looks fine to me. people are just bitching that its a metroid game without samus. its OK to flesh out the universe outside of the main character people!
CloudHiro dude it's art style is very childish. and it even has fucking soccer mini game... like it's a kid game.
people like you are whats wrong with gaming.
Im nearly 30 and it looks like fun, not really 'kiddy' at all.
The amount of twists sounds like M Night Shyamalan's ultimate wet dream
would still probably be a better story then his movies, though XD
Fuckin Microsoft...
I really hope Playtonic has the desire to create a Perfect Dark spiritual successor.
The N64 game was so unique, I hate seeing so much potential die.
My thoughts exactly. Unless they plan to make a series out of Yooka-Laylee (probably depends on its success), then I wouldn't be surprised if their next title is exactly what you, me, and probably many others hope for. The only thing is that the FPS genre is very saturated and making a successful one is very difficult right now. Even Call of Duty is starting to suffer from franchise exhaustion (good riddance if you ask me). Battlefield will start to feel it soon, too, I'm sure.
However, we have crowdfunding at our disposal. While it may have many pitfalls, it still has proven to be a great way to bypass these idiotic publishers that only want to cater to the biggest audience possible. Crowdfunding lets the serious gamers actually choose and support the kind of games they *really* want to see and not have to witness once-great franchises be torn apart and mutated in to mindless shovelware. Yooka-Laylee is a fantastic example of crowdfunding in action. On top of that, there are already many other games out there that have been successfully finished and released after being crowdfunded like crazy. Wasteland 2, Divinity: Original Sin, and Pillars of Eternity are three great examples. They're fantastic games that the people actually wanted, and they have all sold very well. Kickstarter has revitalized genres of gaming that were long thought to be dead. Classic RPGs, point-click adventure games, and 3D collectathon platformers are all making a comeback.
Nick Baysingar I'm kind of hoping for a DKR lineup where they make a fresh cast of characters each planned with their own game.
JC4R That would be pretty cool, too.
JC4R Same!!! This game series deserves to see the light of day again. I'm sad that there hasn't been another title since Zero : /
Bloody yes!
Microsoft: "Alright Rare I know you've got some neat ideas, but hear us out. Kinect Sports."
thattagen if rare themself not Microsoft
M$: "We think gamurs, that sit around all day, want SPORT GAMES."
M$: "Now we know you made most of the games on the N64 good, but, imagine sports!."
Rare: "But sports aren't our forte..."
M$: "SPORTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!".
All because of microshit. Really wish they never bought Rare.
I bet Rare feels the same way.
That's where a bit of the team that's making Yooka Laylee comes from. Hopefully, they do well and we'll see more innovation from the classic developers.
Moore like Moore
Heh
+Emo_Kakyo Moore was a fall guy don't be fooled.
"wasn't a total loss"
"banjo nuts and bolts"
lol
Had the very same thought.
I laughed pretty hard when he said that
i haven't even played it but I know that a platformer gone racing is always a shit idea
Even the in game dialogue is super passive aggressive about it lol.
+Ryan Vanderhoof
"I know that a platformer gone racing is always a shit idea" Not necessarily. Crash Team Racing is a good game. The original genre is irrelevant when doing a spin-off.
Also: www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/banjo-kazooie-nuts-bolts
Just goes to show that Microsoft is capable of fucking up everything.
Sonicfan 1999 I get that a lot, and most of these comments usually comes from a comment I make that actually relates to the video.
Yeah, fuck them for not adding another sci-fi FPS to a potentially over-saturated market.
like how EA can go fuck itself for not letting Maxis make a gritty, brown, modern-day FPS with regenerating health.
+Nick Johnson Yeah but this is Perfect Dark. Not just any other dull sci-fi shooter starring a chief in some masterfully green armor
Roving RagaMuffin
To the consumer base, there is no difference. Same genre = same game when you only care enough to read the plot synopsis. That's what Microsoft was afraid of.
Everyone is capable of fucking up everything at this point.
I've never even played Perfect Dark but holy crap those two games sound like they would have been brilliant.
yo if u have xbox 360 you can buy the first game and its amazing
No they really don't. Joanna being Cynical and bitter isn't who she is at all.
Why game publishers insist on buying up small, beloved studios, ruining their IP, gutting their code and tossing the designers aside for a quick profit is beyond me.
NU, CAPITALISM IS GETTING A LOAN OF AMILLION DOLLARS
***** Short-term gains isn't the goal of capitalism, but rather greed.
It's because [pay $20 to download the DLC to find out the answer]
(Looks at Hudson and Bloody Roar) Yeah thanks Konami -__-
Smart Capitalists play the long game.
............There's not alot of smart people in charge of companies these days sadly.
"For Rare it wasn't a complete loss however some of the technology was used for other projects such as Banjo-Kazooie Nuts and Bolts"
So it WAS a complete loss then?
Microsoft: "A space shooter? We don't want competition with our Halo..."
That is a really sucky way to look at things, especially since more Perfect Dark games would have sold me on buying an Xbox a long time ago (I never owned an original xbox or a 360, and ironically got the xbox one to play the rare replay pack...)
Microsoft being out of touch from its fanbase? that's new!
Perfect Dark is Forever.
One of my favorite games.
So they dropped this... To make banjo nuts and bolts...? Fuck sake.
The story of RARE is a sad one.
They had so much potential and then Microsoft happened.
thehoeslaper ...yes...
@@z0e898 they were on the downfall anyway
This was just depressing
Man, Microsoft made a lot of stupid moves in the mid 2000s. As many smart business moves as they made for the Xbox 360, they also really killed creativity in their studios.
+Arjun Roy I keep hoping they will learn. license more rare IP's to good developers preferably those that original members may be a part of. I think this will at least help keep some of the charm of the original series.
leave it to microsoft to fuck up the potential of another beloved game.
Man, Microsoft was really stupid to turn those down... sound interesting as all hell
I hear you.
RIP Rare
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You ever gonna talk about Blizzard's project Titan?
please do video for a cancelled Prince of Persia 3 Kindred Blades
please do video for a cancelled Prince of Persia 3 Kindred Blades
First off, well done on the video.
Question, where'd u get all that HD Perfect Dark footage?
Any plans on talking about allll the rest of the cancelled Rare projects? I know there's quite a few and I don't wanna spend a hundred hours on Rare Replay to unlock all the content!
that plot was actually good
I thought it sounded kinda shit but the gameplay sounds great
I don't know I think the plot sounded terrible honestly time travel is usually one of the worst plot devices out there. Joe finding out that the main Antagonist is her from the future in disguise is a seriously stupid plot twist and sounds like the ending to INFAMOUS which was also terrible.
The double Joanna thing sounded corny, but I really dug the secret of Titan.
Dang it, Microsoft! You killed what could have been an awesome game!
They killed what could have been a bad game.
Don't get me wrong, Microsoft can suck a barrel of dicks and all but neither of those ideas sound very interesting, and it would have been their money that would have to be the budget of the game.
's business.
I agree it could go either way, but whether the ideas are interesting or not is subjective. I think it had very good potential. At least from a story standpoint.
Whether the game would be good or not doesn't matter. It's about if it sells. I'm pretty confident personally that it would be much better than the other shooters on 360 but I also feel pretty confident that it wouldn't have good sales.
It's also worth mentioning that a large amount of Rare's key devs that were responsible for making GoldenEye 007 and Perfect Dark what they were along with likely a bunch of less important devs left late in PD's development to form Free Radical, creators of the Timesplitters trilogy. All future PD games by Rare were more than likely doomed to fail from that point on.
Arcadian Legend
That's a fact I can't refute. If Rare's original devs aren't there anymore, this game would either have sucked or never have been made. I still think the story bits they showed are awesome, though.
It's watching videos like this that keep me wondering: Why the hell did Microsoft buy Rare if they didn't want to actually use Rare and their IP
They wanted Donkey Kong.
Seriously, they thought Rare owned the rights to DK...
You...you're kidding right? I know Rare did DK Country and 64, but... seriously?
***** Yes. Look it up.
Microsoft isn't very smart.
they wanted donkey Kong country
+Unshaved Malevolence From what I understood, it was just one mistaken MS employee that asked if they would get the Donkey Kong IP during a visit to Rare. I'm pretty sure they knew they weren't getting the Donkey Kong IP in the company acquisition, just the geniuses behind the games, which makes me question their business decisions for cancelations and Kinect games even more...
Did Microsoft get any benefit from buying Rare? Or was the plan to just not let Nintendo use them?
Pretty sure that was the plan, yeah
Well, they needed SOME COMPANY to make all those crappy Kinect games
According to Wikipedia, it says that:"Game development costs gradually increased and Nintendo did not provide Rare with more capital nor did they purchase the company's remaining stake. According to Rare founders Tim and Chris Stamper, they were surprised that Nintendo did not directly acquire the studio.Rare then looked for potential buyers. In early 2000, workers from Activision and Microsoft began visiting Rare with purchase offers. Rare was interested in Activision's offer, but the deal collapsed and on the 24th of September 2002, Microsoft paid $375 million for the company." I think the question should be instead: Did Rare benefit from joining Microsoft?
I'm pretty sure they bought up Rare because they wanted their IPs, the problem is they made bad use of them for the most part. I think at some level the plan was to use the majority of their games to appeal to their kid demographic.
They made the Kinect. That was a universal success right? The prevented Nintendo to make amazing games. That helped the industry right?
As a huge Perfect Dark fan, and a now PS4 owner, I would have absolutely gotten an Xbox one for this Perfect Dark. I have always looooved Perfect Dark. Zero was serviceable but Core sounds amazing.... Sounded like it had a lot of potential. Shame on you Microsoft. Zero sold well for you and was critically successful. Why wouldn't you greenlight another? Morons.
I agree with you 100%. They changed so much when they made Zero, I was left saying WTF, but ok. I played it and ended up liking it for what it was, which was a dumb down version of Perfect Dark. Core sounded fantastic though. Too bad it will never be made. If Microsoft was smart, they'd launch a new perfect dark, as "Retro" is cool again. This would give them a console exclusive that many people would jump ship for (I know I would) plus hearken back to the old days of Perfect dark.
+MARDUK I wouldn't say it's the fans that gave Zero a pass, but the critics. Yet Microsoft probably paid critics to give it good reviews to get good sales when the 360 launched.
+MARDUK but also you got a good point. People need to speak up more about what they want rather that just taking whatever the devs think you want. Look at Sonic. So many terrible games but fans keep on buying them and accepting them. There are people out there who even think Sonic 06 and god forbid Boom to be good games.
MikePitcher I have perfect dark for the Xbox one
MikePitcher halo and gear of Wars
story sounded pretty ambitious, in a good way
In other words; Microsoft killed rare
What haven't they killed?
Adderly Puntiel sony
That plot sounds incredibly convoluted.
The original Perfect Dark will always be one of my favorite games. PDZ was still interesting in it's own way but I have since dreamed of a sequel like the ones you describe in this video. I hope some day it will be resurrected.
"Kiss my alien butt!" - Elvis
Everything Microsoft touches dies
Truest shit.
Except for Halo...
+Planet Spatula Incorporated Because Halo is the only exclusive Microsoft has that makes money anymore. It's not even good but it sells like hotcakes.
damn straight
after they suck it dry of course
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I think Halo's good.
Maybe not modern Halo so much but older Halo was fantastic.
Based on this story, Microsoft gave EA a run for their money in the category: Publisher ruining a studio's IP.
yup
screw that Moore guy
Haha yup. And that's why Peter Moore went over to work at EA after that.
Microsoft, the killer of dreams. They also killed the Fable series just so no one else could make money from it. It's sad how petty Microsoft is.
It isn't really something unique to Microsoft either sadly. The way corporate targeted laws are structured (at least in the US where Microsoft is stationed) encourages CEOs to act like assholes (hoarding IP, treating workers like shit, dismantling unions, exploiting tax shelter loopholes, etc.). One day these hens will come to roost and we will wonder what the hell happened.
TLDR: This is one ridiculously small symptom of a larger disease plaguing society.
Thumbs up for Perfect Dark (N64)
Comment for Perfect Dark Zero (X360)
Dosgamert I hate zero
Was just playing Zero a couple minutes ago lol... boy multiplayer is dead. Sad because I love perfect dark.
André I got the rare gameplay and the original zero for Xbox. I bought 2 years ago, and forgot I had it. Just started playing it and the 2000 memories have returned... but like I said multiplayer is dead for both versions on Xbox live. :/
I didn't have a problem with Zero. It was kinda bland story-wise, but I still enjoyed it
Both
Perfect dark core sounded awesome I can't believe Microsoft didn't go for it. Although I prefer the idea of Joanna saving the day in Perfect Dark Vengence instead of failing
If they were treated with the amount of time, resources, and respect that they truly deserved, Rare would currently be the world's greatest game dev team.
The issue is that Microsoft always looks at things from the business side of things rather than from any sort of creative aspect... thus we get cancelled games because "we have enough of that kind of game" and lackluster consoles.
Even before that, the problem started when Nintendo deemed Rare not worth the business investment, and when they hijacked Rare's new game Dinosaur Planet to shoehorn in Star Fox. Speaking as someone who exclusively buys Nintendo consoles other than that PS2 I bought three years ago for £15 off the local comic shop, I am entirely done with Nintendo's bullshit.
I just bought a copy of Perfect Dark and I love it. it's too bad that a good sequal never came to be.
At least there's an okay prequel
I'm gonna play devil's advocate here and say Microsoft wasn't wrong in their decision. The market was oversaturated with shooters at the time, and Perfect Dark was too much of a niche title to bring a sequel in so many years after the original, let alone two of them. If it had been made a few years later, say 2011 or so, it probably would've been more appropriate for the time.
Same. It's an unfortunate thing but people were complaining about too many fps shooters.
It could've been a great game but the risk was too high given the market.
I can certainly understand the reasoning and do agree to an extent, but isn't the market still saturated with FPS shooters? If they where concerned about it being drowned out by other sci-fi shooters then it seems like there would never be an appropriate time to release it, it's 2016 and we got a new GoW, Doom 4, Overwatch, and the last few years has seen CoD with Jetpacks, Halo as a TV series & movie, Titanfall & that new Bungie franchise that I'm blanking out on.
MayanExpression GoW4 may not sell well and is a TPS anyway, Halo is a dying franchise with middling sales figures every year, CoD has horrible figures right now, Doom 4 was released 13 years after the Doom 3 so it was the perfect time anyway, and Overwatch isn't really a scifi shooter so much as an innovative multiplayer game. Also, nobody even cares about Titanfall anymore. The only real comparison is Destiny. And Half Life if it wasn't dead in the water.
The point is that while we have a lot of FPS games now, it wasn't an industry punchline like it was back in 2007-2008. Compelling singleplayer campaigns are coming back and people clearly want something new other than the same old shit we've been getting. Perfect Dark Core if released now could be something to fill that gap in the multiplayer-only age we live in, and a worthwhile distraction for Half Life fans for example, or Deus Ex fans.
so if was stored for later it would do good to day? that sounds right. more rpgs are coming out.
I agree. IMO the original Perfect Dark was interesting, unique and creative. These ideas are all over the place and aren't that original. This game would have a hard time finding it's audience in a sea of first person shooters. The story kind of reminds me of the Conduit. Anyone play that game? It was a pretty good game on the Wii but it was generic compared to it's contemporaries.
Nintendo get your shit together and buy that franchise from Rare.
FUCKING THIS!! Just buy Rare and let them create their own shit then maybe Nintendo would have more that 3 good games instead of buckets of shovelwear games.
+conkerlive101 I agree. The thing is Microsoft doesn't really due anything with Rare. Except Killer Instinct and like two other titles. But other than that they aren't doing shit but re release the old games in a bundle. Nintendo and Rare where in on the top and making a shit ton of money. Then Rare sold themselves to Xbox and didn't sell many games. Which Microsoft just put Rare in a shelf and collecting dust.
Microsoft and other game studios tend to hoard IP. Would you want to be the Microsoft CEO that has to explain to shareholders why Nintendo just made bank on Perfect Dark 2 and not them? Not to mention that Nintendo is more likely to go after an affiliated company like Next Level Games or Platinum Games that has a larger manpower pool and compatible corporate culture. That being said I do think Nintendo's choice to sell Rareware is still hurting them to this day. Look at the software gaps on the Gamecube,Wii, and Wii U. Had Rare been their maybe they wouldn't have suffered as bad and they would have been more competitive in the move to the HD era during Wii U.
I can't see anyone at Nintendo doing PD justice though with the exception of Retro Studios.
+Arcadian Legend Didn't Nintendo help out Platinum Games. Plus they advertised Ryu for the new street fighter,Corrin fe Fates and Cloud final fantasy.
I always liked how Perfect dark Zero looked in gameplay, it always looked like an E3 showcase of the gameplay, you know how the gameplay looks more pre-rendered than gameplay, which is a good thing i think.
Parts of the unreleased Perfect Dark sequels were used in the making of Banjo Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts?
That reminds me of a song...
AND AAAAAAEEEAAAEEEE
HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!
WILL ALLLWAYSSS LOVE Y-
ICAN'TBELIEVEYOUDIDTHISTOME, HOWCOULDYOUDOTHISTOME!?!?!?!?
I think you forgot a GODDAMNIT in that last sentence, but good on ya for the reference
No.
at this point, Rare has more games cancelled than released ones.
That's what happens when you're owned by Microsoft.
Yeah no fuck your potentially amazing game were gonna invest in Kenect sports instead. Fucking Microsoft was the worst thing that ever happened to Rare. Should have stuck with Nintendo then maybe. Rare would still be here and Nintendo would have more than 3 decent games.
conkerlive101 The funnies thing is that after all planned projects, only the Wii Sports Knock off is the one to get the green light.
radiak55 I hate myself for saying this but I just.. literally cant even right now.
+conkerlive101
Star Fox Adventures was ass.
Nintendo should've never let Rare go to Microsoft... PD was my favorite FPS on the N64. Logged literally hundereds of hours. Over 600 IIRC and loved every minute of it. I had Golden Eye, Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, and Smash Bros but Perfect Dark kept me coming back for more. So many options and customizations made multiplayer fun and incredible.
Here's to hoping Rare is making a real comeback and bringing back a childhood favorite of mine with a sequel deserving of its hype. Perfect Dark was so good!
Should have called Core "Perfect Dark: Betrayal"
Man, that story sounds incredible. That's exactly the sort of bombastic twist I love. Wish it had come to pass, even if I've never owned an X-Box. Makes me wonder why Microsoft aquired Rare if they intended to shut down all of their efforts to create new and interesting games. I mean, what has Rare put out in the, what, 15 years since they went to Microsoft? A disappointing sequel to Banjo Kazooie, a disappointing prequel to Perfect Dark, and, ummm... Grabbed By the Ghoulies?
don't forget the kinect sport game they made
truly the best game they ever made
I didn't know about that one. Although I did remember they did Viva Pinata, which people seemed to like. So that's one.
that guy should totally write something else
I totally disagree. Twists for the sake of twists are such a lame cliché nowadays. Elvis turning "evil"? Nah...
"Perfect Dark: Zero" didn't meet sales expectations because Microsoft forced Rare to publish it unfinished, then they used those sales numbers to justify killing off the series. Microsoft stacked the deck against "Perfect Dark".
There would have been RIOTS if Elvis betrayed Joanna
I miss rare from back in the N64 days.
After hearing the plot description for Perfect Dark: Core and its sequel, I have never been more glad that it was never made. The franchise has never needed all that grimdark nonsense, and if it ever gets revived I hope it steers well clear of it in the future.
So Banjo Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts was released but not this?
man that perfect dark game that never happened sound awesome as hell
Corporate bureaucracy, is there anything it can't ruin?
Also. Still pissed at Microsoft for ruining this and many other Rare franchises for the freaking Kinect. Screw Kinect...
"Also"? What are you saying "also" to? You have to say something first, or reply to something relevant, before you can say 'also'.
Also in reference to the video. This is in reply directly to the video.
Then it wasn't necessary in this context, replying to the entirety of a video/as a whole. If you singled out a specific line of dialogue from the video, then it woulda worked!
The More You Know
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Lol 2 things. 1: No one else has been confused by this ever. I do this a lot.
2: Why is this even mildly important?
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Lol 1 thing. 1: I'm not saying it's confusing or important, just that it is incorrect.
God damit Microsoft. You had two perfect sequels in your hand "no puns attended" and refused to use it. This is the kind of shit that makes me wish you didn't buy rare from Nintendo. You hire a fantastic & legendary game company to make games for you, but keep refusing there work and ideas. What the hell is wrong with you beside everything.
Oh Microsoft, being terrible like always.
There's a starman waiting in the sky
Halo
@@misterchief3338 Halo what? What about it?
Largentina TM
Microsoft are responsible for the Halo series. Don’t even try to tell me thats horrible when it’s got some of the best games of all time in it.
@@misterchief3338 Subjectively. There hasn't been a good Halo game since 3 or Reach, so you saying the name Halo after the OP's comment doesn't change anything considering that's ONE series. So yeah, Microsoft is terrible as always, minus the one time they helped Bungie publish a couple games years ago.
Largentina TM
Halo 4/5 are bad due to the company making its failure to understand what made halo great. Gears of war is amazing. Xbox Game pass is great. Forza is great, them buying Minecraft was great. Really the only thing they did bad was rare. Even then Rares games are good to mediocre most of the time, and I honestly can’t think most of Rares N64 games are overrated as fuck. Like really man Conker without it’s comedy is a pretty mediocre platformer.
I really want that Perfect Dark sequel...
Here we go ;)
Kinda.
You know that Microsoft did a shit job with Rare when Rare had to actively avoid being ntoiced by Microsoft in an attempt to finish their game, the original of which was insanely successful before Microsoft got involved in the first place.
No surprise all the talent left Rare. Why would they stay?
So they could continue to have their creative freedom surpressed?
This is so sad. I almost wish I hadn't watched it. Thank you for this enlightening video. Fucking Microsoft.
Rare should have never left Nintendo.
+BetaWolf47 Rare and Nintendo's talent would still be restored if they work together again
+BetaWolf47 actually they still work with Rare that myth was debunked in the Rare Replay
What a shame. That sounded like a great story.
Who’s coming back after the new trailer for the new Perfect Dark
LOL what's up!
I find it cool that new gameplay trailer seems to have used the parkour and takedown mechanics they wanted to implement in the sequels that didn't made it.
Me, brother.
This game would have broken the mold in fps story games. I'm glad the creators of the game came up with such a Sci-Fi fps story.
That is a great shame... How could Microsoft say no.
This was incredibly sad to watch. I loved perfect dark.
This was very cool and I hope MS and Rare bring back Perfect Dark.
Funny because they're making Sea of Thieves and will more then likely show gameplay at E3.
man this breaks my heart and i thought perfect dark zero was alright
The more I hear from Rare, the more I hate Microsoft.
Why buy a renowned game studio if you don't want them to do what they do?
They've essentially bought childhood memories and locked them away forever, occasionally showing their twisted remains just to make sure you know they're truly dead.
rare made soooo many poor selling games during the time Microsoft let them do what ever they wanted so Microsoft decided it was best not to shut them down but to put them to work on other products.
I'm calling false.
PD Core being canned is still not as much a kick in the dick as Conker showing up in the Project Spark trailer.
"Almost ten years since a new game! Guess we'll HAVE TO MAKE OUR OWN! :V"
Buys Rare, refuses to let the majority of their ideas ever see the light of day. A+ business strategy
From what I've heard, Microsoft only bought them because they thought that they'd get the rights to Donkey Kong, but upon finding that Rare didn't own the rights to Donkey Kong (which is pretty fucking obvious) they realized that they made a mistake and let them fade to obscurity.
well that's stupid what made them think that?
+Jordan3D Donkey Kong?!
I'm so done.
Monarchsub X Because Nintendo licensed Donkey Kong out to Rare to make Donkey Kong Country 1-3, Diddy Kong Racing, and Donkey Kong 64, etc which led Microsoft to believe that Rare owned the franchise. It's a similar situation with Pokemon. If somebody every bought Game Freak they'd find that they have no rights to Pokemon as Pokemon is owned by Nintendo but just so happens to be developed by the third party developer that is Game Freak.
Wow, the fact that these games sounded really really good, man Perfect Dark was the best,
Hopefully Playtonic can make a spiritual successor to Perfect Dark in the future. And a Conker one while they're at it!
the people at playtonic said i believe that they were not the ones to work on conker but maybe they could take inspiration
play the timesplitters trilogy, they were made by the same dudes who made goldeneye and perfect dark and have basically the same gameplay and style
I would play the fuck out of Perfect Dark: Core. Rest in peace
makes me so angry and sad at the same time. Perfect Dark really is a series that deserves to thrive. Hope Playtonic can do a spiritual successor after Yooka Laylee.
I don't think Playtonic would fit the bill for an FPS, maybe another studio.
+Galactic Specter lol that's what everyone said with Rare back in the day tho "how can the people who made Donkey Kong country make a beat-emup? I don't think the people who made Diddy Kong Racing could make a FPS.." ;)
That was a different development team that had previously worked on Goldeneye, most of the folks who worked on Rare's FPS's split off to form Free Radical and create the Timesplitters series.
Chris's studio, gory detail, should do it!
ketchupkatsup i mean i think the playtonic part were banjo and kazo guys not the like fps guys who Goldeneye
And thats how Microsoft killed Rare..... I love Perfect Dark so much.... Played the hell out of it... If they stuck with Nintendo, we might've got all those incredible sequels!
Nintendo did own Rare, but a minority stake of the company. If only they increased their share of the company significantly.
@Xzt Nintendo decided to own only a little of it to respect the owner of rare since if Nintendo owned it completly, Rare wouldn't hav gotten any of the money they were gaining for their games.
*Stuck*
@@TheSpacey52 corrected! thanks for pointing it out :)
I really hated them for buying them, was seriuosly pissed off.
During the acquisition of Rare by Microsoft I kept largely calm. Surely they would supply the quality titles they always had under Nintendos umbrella. God was I wrong ;_;
Gabbed by the ghoulies, Viva Piniata, and Kameo are good games.
Why the fuck did Microsoft buy Rare if they keep them on such a short leash? All they make are connect games anymore.
Yes, that was in the past? Have you not seen their new game that's coming out? Although, we haven't seen much of it just yet.
That's Playtonic Games. They quit Rare and made their own company so they could revive their old style of game development. Rare is currently working on Young Conker.
+Sade Adjibodou Project Spark is already canceled, so no more Conker.
Jimmy Ramos but didn't they reveal a weird VR thing called Young Conker this year? I remember watching a couple of videos about it.
+Sade Adjibodou dude... Are you serious? That's not a game. That's a gimmick. Just like the kinect. Instead of making the games that rare has always been known for... Like banjo kazooie, perfect dark, and conker's bad fur day... They've been pumping out kinect games. And now they're going to be pumping out Xbox VR games.
If you think a "young conker" jumping around your room is going to be fun for linger than 30 minutes, good in you. But I'll take the old rare back any fucking day.
Elvis betraying Joanna himself?
Eh, sort of a redflag without further details. Elvis wasn't quite the character who'd do something like that lightly.
perhaps she did something to provoke it? it could have been interesting.
He did say she ends up causing the disaster. I bet vengeance ends up with you becoming Prince whatshisname
I understand why Microsoft didn't want to back this game even though it sounded pretty good because back in those days ppls number one complaint about Xbox was that all it featured were shooters and didn't have any other styles of games so I can imagine that this game would have just added onto that.
10:47 "the team was reduced to no more than several people" how do you even words?
This makes me sad, Perfect Dark is one of my favorite games. A sequel would be awesome
Both Rare and Silicon Knights were companies that should 100% have stayed associated with Nintendo
I really want the rare replay collection or just the HD Re-master of Perfect Dark on PC. Literally my favourite game ever is Perfect Dark for the N64 (and obviously the superior re-release)
Shit i thought the remastered version of perfect came out on pc.
Well, that sucks. Sounds like it would have been fun.
Seriously, the best console FPS ever and definitely the most in depth multiplayer mode ever.
Microsoft acquiring Rare was the worst thing that happened to Rare
Pretty much yeah.
While I never played any of the perfect dark games, I really like the concept of the lost sequels and wish that Microsoft would have funded it.
"It wasn't a total loss, they repurposed some of their tech for Banjo Kazooie N+B!"
So, it was a total loss. Gotcha.
The fact that Microsoft hardly used any of Rare's IPs when they first aquired them further reinforces the story that they only wanted them because they thought they owned the rights to Donkey Kong.
I hope Elvis doesn’t betray Joanna.
PD came out in 2000, not 1999.
Anyhow, this sounds like it was going to make many of the same mistakes that PDZ did. Instead of sticking with the proven, beloved style of GE & PD, they were going to add parkour, melees, assassinations, combos, etc. Not to mention turn Joanna super gritty, overdo the plot, and ruin Elvis' character.
When people say they want a Perfect Dark sequel, that's ALL they want. Take Perfect Dark, right a new story in the same vein, crank everything up to 11, sold!
If you want a popular franchise to stay popular, DON'T CHANGE IT! Take a hint from Call Of Duty and The Elder Scrolls, not Halo and Banjo-Kazooie.
"if you want a popular franchise to stay popular, DON'T CHANGE IT! Take hint from Call Of Duty"
Yeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaah, you might wanna take a look at COD:Infinite Warfare.
Ok then, take a hint from COD up to the most recently released game, then put the series in the latter category.
If TES VI does a Nuts & Bolts, Mario and Madden might be the only remaining series that have stayed consistent...
FrothingFanboy
actually, COD has changed quite a bit.
from a ww2 educational game to a Michael Bay Modern Shooter to a Titanfall Clone.
Modern Warfare was what made it a super-franchise. Now that it's going sci-fi, they're losing it...
FrothingFanboy
But Change isn't always bad
for example: Resident Evil 4, Metal Gear Solid 5: Phantom Pain, Crash Twinsanity, Multiple Sonic Games, Mega Man X, DMC Devil May Cry.
I just realized how awesome this franchise could really be
So basically the same as Half-Life 2 and it's expansions:
Perfect Dark 3
Perfect Dark 3: Core
Perfect Dark 3: Vengance
Perfect Dark 3: Multiplayer