Cognitive Functions - Se vs Si
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One thing i admire about high Se users is the way they always seem confident in their ability to just handle whatever gets thrown at them with minimal preparation. Seems like the most "streetsmart" function. I guess Ne can kind of do that too but it needs more time, it´s not necessarily good at coming up with things instantly.
I'd say Se is comfortable in physical frameworks and Ne in metaphysical frameworks.
@@NoblenoobTM Exactly. I find that high Ne is able to imagine how ideas would fit together, even when there isn't necessarily a lot of concreteness to the discussion (future oriented). They do call Ne the "brainstorm" function sometimes, as users of Ne tend to like to play with different possibilities and ideas.
Ne is streetsmarts with words. Se with action.
When a fight breaks out in bar, I've already read the room and heading out the side door.
@@winterbird4447 with thoughts too
Se a dominant Conqueror vs Si a dominant Ruler... Very good analogy. I agree
Se is the ability to manipulate and observe the physical realm (or at least manipulate oneself to fit to it) to make your path through the world (Ni). Se adapts to the present, connect the present to their personal future. Se lives in the present and the personal unconscious.
Si demands to be comfortable and it does by knowing how others are making there path through the world (Ne) and remembering experiences so they can connect personal past with the future of others. Side effect of this is falling to the abstract realm. Si lives in the past and the collective unconscious.
As Ne/Si user, yep. Makes it hard to synthetize essays. Gotta remind myself there are parameters so the teacher and others can understand and make it a valid paper 😓
@@amjthe_paleosquare9399 Sometimes it's helpful to think like the teacher/test maker when answering. Once you understand the answer they are actually looking for rather than what they literally asked you for, you avoid the trap of being technically correct yet still marked as wrong (and yes this is very annoying).
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what do you mean by personal unconscious and collective unconscious
@@caseypham7975 read jung
Thank you for showing always if you are talking about Se or Si: as a non English speaker (Italian) I got sometime confused by Se and Si when you talk quickly. Also the English pronunciation of "Se" sounds like "Si" in Italian...
Same in Czech. I in Czech is pronounced like E in English
Same in Spanish XD
In German too
Also in Portuguese
Same in Polish
Se blindspot causes me a lot of embarrassment lmao (INFP)
Lmao same as an INXP
Yup, same 😅
-INTP
Si and Se have been confusing sometimes,, so this helps break them down thats more
*digestible*
So on point. For someone who just stumbled on this video to research Jung's Cognitive Function, this is one of those informative channels (they are not that many) supplying accurate knowledge in this theory.
Great explanation, Nathan, do you plan on making a video about the shadow functions?
I’d love that video!
I'd love to see that!
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And then there’re those us with inferior Se and demon Si having to check to see what we’re wearing when someone compliments our shirt. The way you describe Se is also interesting because it sounds a lot like symptoms of my ADHD. I wonder how type theory would fit alongside mental conditions like this, because I’m an INTJ with ADHD and it’s like this ESFP “monster” side of me is continually trying to upend my life (oh but I want it NOW! Oh GOD I’m so BORED! Routine? Might as well just shoot me now!). It makes things interesting but it drives Ni and Te nuts (if we’re personifying, here).
I'm an autistic INTJ with ADHD and I was thinking something very similar. Routine is my fave, but then I will just be in the moment on a rare occasion and enjoy whatever is happening, which will throw off my routine and I won't be able to get my life back together for weeks. It's not like I'm going on a 3-day binge... It could be I just stayed up until 2am talking with friends or reading a really good book, lol.
I literally laughed when it came to "having to check to see what we're wearing when someone compliments our shirt."
But yeah, that ESFP "monster" is definitely relatable. It's a strange duality where Dr Jekyll wants to create efficiency and order while Mr. Hyde wants to blow something up just to watch it explode.
INFJ with ADHD and i can really relate haha...
ENFPs seem to be a particularly likely type to have ADHD. I think both Ne and Se could potentially make one a bit unfocused and impatient if not balanced/honed enough. But ultimately, mental illness is a separate thing from personality type, and people of any type can have ADHD...
@@liss6210 same here, it’s so confusing to exist in this duality sometimes :’)
One hears so much talk about Ni being the "hard to explain function", but for me, Si has always been the one that I've had trouble wrapping my brain around. This video helped a good deal. Thank you!
The style of communication when one uses Se/Ni (Ni/Se) vs Si/Ne (Ne/Si) differs. While the first ones’ seek certain brevity in delivery, or simply ask: What is the point?, the second group does like to go into details and connect one story to another one (that might seem random to someone even if it is not). To understand any function better, perhaps it helps to reduce it to a single notion and build the knowledge from there. Go back to what S stands for and what the added I and E add to the function. Also, cognitive functions are a filter through which we process information. They can influence behavior, but certain types can show similar tendency, so it might be helpful to figure out which 4 cognitive functions one has in their main stack, rather than only focus on 1, or 2. I have sent this video to a friend to watch it, and she said: I see myself in both. And although she does know her type, sometimes explaining one function at a time is beneficial only when we move on to explain the other ones, so people can precisely know what comes from where. All 4 functions in the main stack have certain influence on each other. However, to understand any human being better, one doesn’t have to use cognitive functions in case they seem complicated to understand. Listening intently and understanding people even if their approach differs from ours, can help in forming closer relationship with people. And I am not sure if this helps, but since I saw it was confusing for my friend, it might be so for someone else, as well. Se seeks novelty in the sensory world. Ne seeks novelty when it comes to ideas. And if one has Ne/Si (Si/Ne) in the middle, their approach will highly likely be a mix of following routines/going into details vs seeking novelty in the realm of ideas and connecting those.
i love this so much
Out of curiosity, how good are you at distinguishing the two by asking questions? I ask because I am uncertain of my Sensing function myself, whether it is Si or Se.
@@ethanlynch8275 I think the best way to figure out one's personality type is by understanding ourselves. If one finds it challenging to figure out Se and Si, perhaps it could help to see if one uses Ni or Ne. Have you tried that?
@@solarisan_ I’m not sure of that either. There’s multiple ways to look at the observing functions - is NE just mental variety? Is NE a matter of understanding perspectives? Is NE a random word/sentence generator? Is NE a matter of conceptual or set-piece rearrangement?
Ni of course is the part of the Se-Ni circuit that formulates a conclusion after Se gathers information. They’re straight forward. You could also look at Ni as a coalescing of various datapoints into one conceptual structure, but that entails roughly the same shape.
Ne however you can take a million directions.
@@ethanlynch8275 I don't know if this will help, but I will try to simplify things. What N really stands for is ideas (for both Ne and Ni). When one uses Ne, the process of idea exploration can be quite visible. There will be some "jumping" from one idea/possibility to another one. Ni does the same 'chaotic' process on the inside. Connects ideas/possibilites internally, and because of it, it can come across as 'more collected' externally. Se and Si are different sides of the coin called senses. The focus of Se is external, so engaging in activities that indulge the senses can feel energizing. Si, very much like Ni, needs stabilizing when it comes to the external world. Having a mom and brother who have Si in their main stack (as their 3rd function), I have noticed that they remember details of previous situations. For example: my brother was eating a candy when he said that the package and the taste of it reminded him of childhood. He actually went more into detail of how and why. My mother often explains situations that had happened by connecting stories with details of people/circumstances that I have long forgotten. These are mostly things she subjectively sees as important. Oftentimes, I have heard of Si been called memory, but I think there has to be further clarification on it. Si, in a way, interprets the sensory world and connects such interpretations to one another. So, in that case, it is indeed memory. Honestly, I am not sure if this helps you. I am trying to summarize something that is complex and can come across differently based on how one uses a function. Perhaps reading on cognitive functions can help. Or, try to figure out your Enneagram, Socionics,... it can be a roundabout way to get to know the cognitive functions you are using.
As an ENFP son of an ISTJ father, thar Si function kicked me in the ribs both inside and outside.
I feel like my perspective (INTP) is not super helpful, since Si is my third function. I do learn from mistakes, because I am terrified of making mistakes, but I also don’t like to focus on the past. Well, my past. I love history and stuff like old movies and music. I do love change and I like to constantly entertain myself. I have pretty high Ne for an INTP though.
My ESFP sister with that Se, she always suddenly decides to do something and gets mad at me if I’m not ready to go in 10 minutes. I need time to waffle around and get out of my pajamas.
Sorry, 4am ramblings.
As an ENTP, I do learn from mistakes, but sometimes I dismiss that mistake as a minor failure and try solving the problem from another angle using the same method. Until I am satisfied with experimenting, I will probably make the same mistake a few times due to some clumsiness. Once the entire ordeal is done, my Si will lock that experience in place and I hopefully won't make these mistakes again. I did notice my Si is very relatively developed, so it kinda hurt my progress in relating to other ENTPs.
I'm also not really excited to have someone to tell me to go in 10 minutes. I need to make some preparations and check the things I need to check because I know there's a very good chance I might have forgotten something important.
I'm an INTJ and literally no one would ever ask if I wanted to go somewhere spontaneously and only give me 10 minutes to adjust to that change in schedule and routine... No one that would live to tell about it anyway, lol. Okay, that's silly... I'd just decline the offer... Unless I was feeling spontaneous, which happens once every decade or so, lol. Hey, even Vulcans have Pon Farr!
Your first paragraph describes me perfectly. I am exactly the same. I love history, 50’s film musical, jazz standards, old towns and ruins. But I don’t wish to go back in time to be 20 or 30 again. Whatever path I chose or chosen for me it’s done and over. I learned from past events to help defining what’s essential for me.
I wonder if you are like me about relationships. In the past when I fell for someone romantically, it was intense and seemed out of my control (kind of terrifying tbh). In the back of my mind I felt ridiculous and immature but couldn’t change a thing. When it was over, I moved on emotionally and didn’t care to rekindle (those reconnect via FB years later and get married will never happen to me). I do will all my exes having a good life, but it is not possible to “fall in love” with them regardless how much I had liked them in the past.
Another INTP here, and there's something familiar here...
I also don't really care to focus on my past, I don't really care for nostalgia, it's not really a feeling I do or even understand, and there's certainly lots of things where my attitude is very "I've done that, I'll never need to do that anymore".
Yet I do have a reasonably good memory (so when asked about some past event, can often remember stuff...if it was something I noticed in the first place) and Si allows a certain amount of automation: there are lots of things where I have figured out the best way to do them and so I just do them like that without really thinking (and might get annoyed if for some reason this way was somehow blocked). So yeah, there's certainly plenty of that Si activity going on, but mainly on the less interesting stuff like food and clothes (yeah, INTP).
For the more interesting things, that Ne needs new ideas (though I guess Ne-Si also works for finding new insights for the same things: the activity stays the same but me, I am not the same).
Another MBTI commentator also suggested that Se is more in touch with the "regular" senses like sight, hearing, touch but Si is a lot more in tune with internal experiences like hunger, fatigue, comfort...which also sounds about right :)
@@33Jenesis Your experience does seem remarkably like my own. One of my worst examples was a long term relationship I was in from early to mid 20s. I felt like I stopped maturing the entire time I was in the relationship, and caught up on all the years (plus some) when it ended.
And yes, I do not understand how people can even be friends after they break up! I burn all those bridges and pretend those people no longer exist. Now I just avoid relationships lol.
The better I understand the nuances of the specific functions, particularly from a Socionics perspective (with your help Nathan- thank you), the more Si fits seamlessly into my interpretation of my cognitive parts, while Se is naturally peeling from my understanding of my personality, somewhat like when an old scab is falling off by itself.
I'd say the "control" aspect of Si depends on which other function(s) it's paired with. xSTJs with Si and Te will probably tend to be more deliberate about control of their external environment, whereas Si+Ti is much more inward oriented, primarily concerned with codifying internal frameworks and understanding
That's a very good observation actually! Even Si/Fe could be seen as controlling in certain ways when it relates to keep things harmonious ~ Nathan
I am partially confused about these functions .
Sensing and intuition is how one takes in information.
So Se types take in information by from the world around them and what’s their five senses can detect in their environment who adapt to changes because their senses are in tune with what’s happening while Si is observant of what is happening inward and takes in information inwardly such as being in touch with their body, feelings, thoughts and personalised experiences but Se priorities taking in information from the sensory world and then sharing their experiences with others but Si likes to take in experiences, subjectify and personalise them with thoughts or feelings and keep them to themselves as Personal collections to analyse further and make them last but Se just likes to experience and then give it away and don’t care care about what legacy or accomplishments or goals their experience leave im guessing
This is the most interesting part of mbti. Keep the function vids coming!!
Your recent function comparison videos are THE BEST, most insightful... thank you! I feel much better about my tertiary Fi and inferior Se now.
As an infj (Se) that has been in a long-term relationship with an esfj (Si), I can see how she remembers all the likes and dislikes of everyone, but I have to keep her from walking out of a store into 2 cops arresting a shoplifter.
This is just excellent. Thank you so much!
Spot on! Love how you meticulously keep your videos quick and varied for us Se-users, yet there’s a steady rhythm and pattern for those pesky Si-users 👍
These comparison videos are incredibly helpful! Thank you so much!!! 🙂❤
These videos are succinct and valuable. Thanks Love Who
This is a good take on the functions. It's refreshing gettinga new view on an old topic.
Si is the key to the highest conciousness, if you want to master INFINITI.
-Being Introverted, IN
-Driven by your own values, FI
-Following your inner truth, NI
-Doing what is needed for reason, TI
Being your true self.
This is an interesting comment.
@@lishayost144 ReALLY
Se are the adrenaline junkies and si are the spectators
Excellent break down and explanation of the two axes.
One of the best descriptions on UA-cam. I know you gave the caveat that it's just your take but I think your Ti on these definitions is really tight
That’s really great to hear. I appreciate this comment! ~ Nathan
This is brilliant ✨✨
On point wrt conquering versus ruling. I feel like a lot of my job is re-conquering (rediscovering) people each appointment; though I'm a decent ruler of everything but myself. 😜
Thank you for your work. ❤
Great vid man thanks for the video
"because they can get themselves out of potentially sticky situations, they don't feel the need to avoid getting into them in the first place" THIS- I'M SAVING THIS OMG (as an esfp) THIS HIT LIKE A FRIGGGGGING T R U C K woW
Glad to hear it! ~ Nathan
Se - wants physical variety
Si - wants physical familiarity
Ne - neurodivergent, ideas ramify
Ni - neuroconvergent, ideas crystallize
Te - result-focused, task-focused, solutions favor objective data over subjective reasoning
Ti - method-focused, understanding-focused, solutions favor subjective reasoning over objective data
Fe - prefers ethics over morals, harmony over individuality
Fi - prefers morals over ethics, individuality over harmony
As an Se dom… YES. Great video. Super on-point.
tapping into the force is what i tell myself it feels like all the time
Great one 👍🏾
A really helpful explanation🙏🏾
Amazing!!
Excellent
This video helped me look back on when me and an isfj friend broke up. It brought up some points since Ne is my kind of slept on function and since I'm not so great at speaking my opinions. The typical vibe for me as an infj is to just take things like "oh well it happened", but in that case it really just happened for me. Thanks for ur content and btw I tend to excessively analyze my past and actions.
Interesting perspective. I am the opposite yet I share the same type with you. When I say opposite I mean: I need to know why something has happened and learn from it. I am never really satisfied with: it happened. And the goal of Ni is kinda to reverse the process to Ne. Or, to put it simply: notice that there is more than one star on the sky, quickly realize that others are seeing just part of it, try to narrow it down to the side others are seeing, then point out at what is missing. However, I have noticed that Enneagram (which talks about childhood trauma, fear, motivation, communication style,…) does have an influence in how we present ourselves and react in situations. Personally, I do speak my mind. But that Enneagram 1 might be the reason why.
@@solarisan_ I have a relaxed attitude but I also really like to know the root cause of things. It's just that I accept that things that happened are in the past, and that it's good to learn from them.
@@matthewyang7893 My ennea 1 is more obsessive in attitude. I do need the root cause, and then I have to also 'fix' it. Honestly, I annoy myself all on my own.
@@solarisan_ I think I'm enna 2 or 9
@@matthewyang7893 It’s possible to have both of those in your tritype. 259 and 269 are possible combinations with those two in common. 7 is not usually a likely option for INFJs. If you are interested in knowing more, reading helps. Enneagram addresses things that cognitive functions don’t.
P.S. I apologize if I was too direct in my approach. I can be too much at times. But my intentions are good. 😇
This is such an excellent video! Being Ne Si myself, this is exactly how I behave under stress/ at work/ doing something important. Its compulsive ocd like even. Could this be what the loop actually looks like? It's as if every time I've ever buggered anything is marked in bold letters before my eyes as to remind me that I must be supercareful not to repeat such things. So I notice any tiny thing that changes. Everything must be just so. Especially when I'm with my clients. Just 1 error can ruin a reputation. Not when I'm at home tho. I am in that Si at work tho. She is def. the boss of me. Its frigging exhausting.
I love this
So basically ive noticed mostly all introverted functions are or can be "stubborn" in their point of view and vice versa.
I mean in terms of when youre typing someone, its easier to see this in action.
But i couldnt differentiate if its Si or Ni being stubborn
...that fact that I literally had a 'but did you die' sticker on my car says everything...--isfp
Great advice though, on going back and analyzing situations for se
and for others in general
watching your function comparison vids, with my kids in mind who are young adults, their functions are just so opposite of me… thank goodness I gave them the room to be themselves & listened better as I got older… my mother couldn’t handle our differences and always tried to fit me into a mold, an INFP, laughable 😂
me: INFP: Fi, Ne, Si, Te
daughter: ESTP: Se, Ti, Fe, Ni
son: ENFJ: Fe, Ni, Se, Ti
I love my babies and think their functions are perfectly perfect for them ♥️
Stray thoughts:
1. As with every function, how Si manifests will depend somewhat on what other functions it's working with. In an Fi-Si type like mine, the main things Si is trying to preserve are identity, things with personal meaning, and a sense of cohesiveness in our personal journey. Whereas, for example, an Fe-Si type might be more inclined to preserve social values, norms, and traditions.
2. You mention Se taking things in by osmosis; I once saw an INTP describe themselves as taking in information osmotically, and I relate to that as an INFP. I think Se and Ne are both kind of like this, with the concrete and the abstract, respectively, while Si and Ni seem to process new information more slowly and systematically.
3. I've noticed people tend to overassociate Se with any kind of physical skill, including in the artistic/aesthetic realm. I've seen discussions on Personality Database where people assumed an artist or musician must be a type with Se because they were so technically skilled. And that is such an unreasonable assumption, especially given how frequently NFPs are also inclined toward these things and skilled at them.
As an INFP, I've always had a natural facility with artistic things of all kinds, in a way that I decidedly do not with most physical things. It's a realm that feels completely different from most of the physical realm; it's very intuitive, and it's strongly tied to Fi. I'm also very perfectionistic when it comes to art and aesthetics and have put a lot of effort into attaining technical mastery there.
In regards to your #4, my husband (ISTP) and I (INTP) were discussing having an ability to do something physically could come from a few times of trying it, happening to get it right, and having the muscle memory of doing it, so being able to do it naturally and effortlessly thereafter. "For an INTP" I'm actually quite good at a lot of physical things including sports, art, music, construction, etc. And I'm a girl (which doesn't mean anything, except stereotypically). Once an Si person knows how to use their body parts in any given way, they will pretty much always be good at that thing, even if it took a few tries in the beginning, or, as in my case (like yours) with Ne being above Si, if a lot of time has passed since last doing said thing, it doesn't take long to get the skill back. A few swings of the tennis racket, a few strums on the guitar, etc. Maybe an Se person is good at physical things for different reasons. It does seem to me that Se dom people might ENJOY doing physical things more (or not feel a fuss about it... possibly because they're not really thinking about doing it, they just do it). I personally sometimes like the IDEA of doing something, but then actually doing it is another story, lol! It's like, when actually I have to get up off my butt to do the thing, I don't really want to. However, once I do get going, I'm usually fine and momentum takes over. I definitely take a lot of time to think about the doing before actually doing. I agree with Nathan's point on Si wanting quality physical experiences. If I've going to expend my precious physical energy, I want it to go well! ;) I think Se people think about what they're doing WHILE doing it. Si people are more likely to think about what they're gonna do before doing it, and then think about other things while doing it... unless that's just people with Ne above Si or even Ni above Se. There could be a scale. Se is known for being present in the current moment, so does that mean only people with Se in their first or second have no trouble staying in the present moment?
Great
We'll, did I die? If not, then it's probably fine. This pretty much sums me up 😆
Perfect depiction
I'm still learning about functions, I first got my type through 16p(I know it's not accurate) as INFP after learning about cognitive functions I still think I'm INFP which means I have Si, but I think I'm pretty good at noticing my surroundings/directions, I used to work in a fast food restaurant and I was praised for my speed
How could I use my functions to be a better "ruler"? This is important information for when I'm emperor of the universe-Entj
To rule you have to delegate, there's no way around this. Work on creating a strong and trustworthy inner circle of competent people who understand exactly what you want to implement yet can think for themselves too ~ Nathan
Here's a possibly interesting set of data points. As someone with Se trickster I often become aware too late that my voice has risen to an uncomfortable level when discussing an exciting topic in public. My Si child makes me acutely aware when someone has moved the seat of my vehicle (even slightly) and I instantly complain like the 'Princess and the Pea'. -- My wife has Si Trickster and becomes forgetful of where she leaves things unless she writes it down or documents it in some way. She has a habit of never leaving things in the same place twice. Her Se child becomes bored quickly and she must constantly be doing something. When playing video games, this combination often results in her running off and getting lost and forgetting where she is and is fine with this. When I play video games, I'm very meticulous, making maps and making sure things things are in their place. We sometimes laugh about at how this frustrates each other's play style but often works out in a sort of "best of both worlds" sort of way, each covering for the other's weakness.
0:27 Adapting vs Imposing
2:52 Details
8:03 Variety vs Familiarity
8:16 Questions and thoughts
You are really good with this. Calling people out! I’m an INTJ and though I’m not sure about the functions, I can tell I’m most likely Si. But as a challenge I do try to shake things up to create discomfort and learn. Otherwise I can easily get stuck in my own head while doing similar things that I already know well.
INTJ is Ni Te Fi Se
Introverted intuition
Extraverted thinking
Introverted feeling
Extraverted sensing
You might feel more Si than Se because Si can resemble Ni in some ways. I think of Si as the organization of the sensory and Ni as the organization of the conceptual. So they are both organizational, focused, routine, possibly even determined. Also, our 4th function is considered our "inferior" function, so that would explain why you would not be able to see the Se in yourself so much.
I said that while also hesitating. I appear to be a total contradiction because while I can be habitual and routined in some things, I also do shake up my environment very often. I moved 10 times in 12 years just to have a new apartment to design. I do the same with people. I love strangers and prefer to have the new encounter and never get to know them well, as time is valuable, but I also deeply appreciate the consistency the few close people portray as I give them the same consistency. If that all makes sense.
I also might reuse some of the design ideas I loved about the last place 🤦🏻♀️ So that’s like Si a bit.
@@NanulSavage very interesting! :)
You're probably an INTP then
Perhaps from this explanation, it should be called Introverted Seeing and Extroverted Seeing
INTP here and idk if this resonates with other INTPs. So that means i have Ne auxiliary and Si tertiary.
Si to me works like this, and I just recently realized this, like 3 weeks ago when I was out of town that was somewhat new to me (i visited the town in my childhood but forgot about it by the time I visited it again like 3 weeks ago):
I gradually acquire experiences by familiarity. Forgive my English.
anyway, as I went on a trip to that town (along the way to that town), I noticed how similar things were to my hometown. The roads, streets, buildings, etc etc. It felt like a déjà vu. Even the area of my family's residence looked so similar to the area where my Pastor used to live.
I don't pick up data in the moment. When "in the moment", i won't be focused on the things around me or my environment. I will be focused on my thoughts. So i think I pick up details in my environment subconsciously (because I don't necessarily intentionally pay attention to the things around me) when I am in the moment, to be used in the future.
Out of all the random things to stick out to me the most: You didn't call the Notification Bell "dreaded" this time. 🤔
I have often times felt like object become an extinction of my body when i use them; think of extreme dexterity. For example if i'm holding a knife and fork they start to feel like they're my actual hands. its similar with operating a vehicle; it's like my mind/body is extended to include the vehicle. i feel like ive manifested some kind of external shell that i can operate as if it's my arm or a larger body. would this be described as hi SE ?
Do you think an ISFJ or ISTJ will be better at routines and efficiency?
Of course ISTJ. ISTJ has Si dom and Te Aux = efficiency. While ISFJ has Si dom ans Fe Aux.. which has not much to do with efficiency
When you read Jung . It’s written by jung Si has more to Ni . Trauma as perception determination is what is being seen as Si . Thus strong memory . Se as you say adaptability is the ability to not involve trauma and get actual reality data and be influenced by it . Funny - traumatized Se person is strongly controlled by occult
My primary and tertiary functions are Ne/Si respectively (primary Ti, inferior Fe).
Makes sense, the part about making a map, that'a why it takes me some time to make a story. I want the story to be deep, that the research in history and culture shows. That... leads to me making the big picture fantastic and grand... and then it's time to get to the details of the everyday experience I created... but suddenly it's a drag. So frustrating.
But then the part about Si relating to the past came up. Oof.
Usually when I make a big mistake I'll be beating myself up for quite some time and get sad ans stuff until I push it all into the trash bin. Too much dwelling on the past and my own stupidity, keep moving forward until next time. Because apparently with all Intry to learn and absorb, I simply cannot process the most basic development to avoid the same mistake later on. Tsk 😞
I prefer quality over quantity, hence all the time I dedicate to perfect the few projects I have. Hey, another reason for the typical INTP procrastination!
I won't go back to edit this comment, I'll just keep looking at it over and over again and make small changes here and there.
My Mom is an Si dom since she is an ISTJ. She prefers order and has few hobbies. I'm trying to encourage her into working out and eating healthier. Though I feel like she is holding herself back. Any suggestions to make her want to work out?
If someone dresses for fashion they probably have Se, if someone dresses for comfort, they probably have Si.
Intuitives wonder why society insists on clothing in the first place.
That's interesting! As an isfp, I do care about my looks, but I'm more of comfort>fashion.
I guess I like fashion but dressing myself up is a completely different story
It's like a balance between the two, but I'd still try to dress nicely while making sure I'm comfortable in my wear
I want to make a weird question and if many answer, the better.
Imagine this scenario for an XSFP:
They go to the same bathroom stall in their company. Same floor, same bathroom, and same stall every time. If someone is in that stall, they wait. When asked they answered, "I guess bcs I'm comfortable since I've been there before." and they explain that that stall is secluded, bcs you can't see it from the main door. Could this be attributed to their Fi? As in, they feel good in that stall? Or they might be a mistyped XSFP and they're in reality a high Si user?
Thank you 😊
There are many reasons why someone would do this. I would say it could be an Ni OR Si thing. And because there are many reasons why people do what they do (it's not all 100% related to the strengths of our cognitive functions or order of the cognitive functions) that means it really could be any of the 16 personality types. Because even someone with Ni or Si as their inferior function, there is still a reason they are doing what they're doing. And never underestimate the ability for a past trauma (consciously known to them or not) to affect someone's current behavior, no matter their type. This is just one clue in the giant puzzle that is this person. I will say though, that based on personality type generalities, it is less likely for an ESFP to do this than an ISFP.
i have nothing to do soooooo
I'm First
i don't understand anything but pop off ig😍
A really good breakdown, this Se endorses this message.
What he really nails here is how the inferior Ni operates. It's running in the background, but its really useful and so are it's conclusions. Long before I even knew about cognitive function, I've been "throwing problems in the basement" to get worked on intuitively. Sometimes the solution not evident or there are several possible options competing and defying resolution by my SeTi. Eventually, the Ni puts it all together and says here is you answer.
7:39 that made me chukle! "at least (pronoun) didn´t die/break" is one of my everyday go to excuses to give me a pat in the back for getting something done with a dash of amusement of myself for pulling something off.
I´m more Se that I´d like to admit... sight :/
My english isn’t very good but regarding the last part, I tend to do things slightly differently each time, while I also value familiarity. I did not understand if trying things differently is more Si or Se?
For example when I have driving lessons, I tend to try slightly different ways to stop or turn each time just to see what happens, kinda making my instructor go mad. Also, I usually save playlists to listen to later but when I actually want to pick a playlist, 70% of the time I pick a new one from the suggestion list rather than those I’ve already heard no matter how much I liked them.
I just thought of this now, when I do something right I write down sometimes the steps I took to get there so next time I can repeat them, but the thing is, I rarely go through what I write in real life and am usually more interested to try it in a different way and I get bored easily if I have to follow my own instructions or anyone elses, unless it’s a recipe that took me a long time to perfect and I know I’m bad at cooking in general, BUT I do write instructions to myself 😅 for driving, recipes, work stuff, etc.
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Everything said seems to contradict a lot the stereotypes of, e.g., an INTP, having Si, whereas an ENTJ having Se.
From what you explained, Si tries to create methods, learn slowly but assured, focus in details. INTP stereotypes: blunt, new experiences oriented, and open minded.
From what you explained, Se tries to get more experiences and steer as it goes not caring much about details. ENTJ stereotypes: reckless, methodical, planner, stubborn.
Both types have these functions on same position.
As an INTP, I have found it to be highly illogical to resist and/or refuse to adapt to change. Change is constantly happening whether we are aware of it or not.
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This should've ended up being about Spanish-speakers who know and Spanish-speakers who affirm.
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Great now I know my main 4 cognitive functions. Now how do I know which one is dom/aux/tertiary/inferior?!
That rabbit hole continues... ~ Nathan
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Don't agree with point about attention to detail. Or maybe having Si in 5th, it works in with Se to support and is not so under-developed due to parental influence / survival skills? Do agree with Ni taking time for Se. When all goes well, Ni makes sense of it all. When over-tired, Ni is too slow and/or can't be heard. Self reflection and variety both essential for Se.g
are there any se users here in the comments? how would you explain this function?
i want to doubt the part Se desiring or preference and Si imposing . Introversion itself imposing on the outside and controls the attitude . Ni Si Ti Fi are imposing samely . Se is not about preference because Extroversion is about being impacted and being a catalyst of energy . Mutation and transformation . Being open . Preference is always Introverted . I think you are merging some of your functions while figuring out it, into this , Ti ?
I'm so bad at my si..4th slot..
another . Conscious intent of Si . Intent is always conscious . We can speak Subconscious intent yes yet the purpose of word Intent implies conscious , and Se user decides in condition to being stimulated . Si user is deciding based on Introverted preference/ belief . Because Si is linked to subconscious . Whatever is there is individually there . Conscious intent can be way different to Subconscious because consciously you are free to choose . And Si is preferring memory sourcing the perception and determining reality . Even Si can consciously decide different . Se prefers the external condition because its External and S means 5 senses . Why ? well we are designed to be influenced with reality and cooperate with external life surrounding our illusion . I call it being open when I compare it to Si because Extroversion is balancing with Introversion . Yet The Se and Si are not comparable because they heave different function and linkage to other Cognitive Functions . Like a boat and car to travel , one is for water not the other to compare . This is not correcting , preaching . I am writing here for those who are uncertain about what is being said in video and might feel similar truth to mine .
INTP,
Ne
usually do/think different kinds of techniques, ways and stuff
Si
then get stuck to it, stuck on shuffling ideas, using what worked,
Ni
"but then this isn't what it should be, it isn't improving at all, this is not what we've seen"
Ne
get bored, shuffle again, try things
Si
REPEAT
Ti
"You suck"
If im infj does rbat mean im se?
INFJ has Se, but as their inferior function. This is the same as my type, INTJ. For us, we have Se, but it's usually pretty underdeveloped. Right now, in my mid-30s, I'm working to try and be more present in the moment, "being" rather than "doing," have fun, connecting to nature and my surroundings through my 5 senses, and experiencing pleasure through the physical without overdoing it. I'm no expert, but this is what I've gathered can help us Se inferior types to become more well rounded, healthy individuals. Not sure any of that is true in a generalizable way (MBTI validity and reliability of all types is actually pretty low, tbh), but for me personally, it does seem to be a good short hand for areas of strength and needs for improvement. So, I like it.
@@micahroberts8383 sweet. Thanx for explaining
I am ENTP, does that mean me being bad at Si means that I have a problem learning from the past and am not so good at keeping my environment or thoughts regulated 🥺 and how does it work infj who has Se as last function
Since ur an intuitive this analogy might help.
Se si ne ni are how we take in information or what we take information from and how we think and process.
Se like to take in information from the sensory world which are the details of the external environment such as fashion, cars, trends and are observant to the details and their five senses can adapt to change and things that are fleeting. For Se it’s all about taking in and sharing collective experiences with the world.
Introverted in mbti means “inward focused and keeping things to yourself and for yourself” so it’s as if u are living in ur own bubble when u use an introverted function.
For Si they like to take in experiences and sensory details from the external environment and personalise it to their thoughts and beliefs if they are a thinker, or their feelings and connection to it if they are a feeler.
They often like to take in experiences and I’d say that they’d prefer to keep them as trophies or add to their personal collection or stash that is only important to them usually.
For isfj, their experiences hold sentimental value that they would rather keep and analyse then try to get rid of by sharing.
For istj their experiences are viewed as life lessons that have a lasting legacy and they are very goal orientated people, because istj and isfj are all about things being long lasting and stable, Si like tradition so inferior Si (enfp and entp) can appear erratic and wishy washy people who aren’t grounded in reality and lack the pragmatism and lack goals because they jump from idea to idea from perspective to perspective
The way I see it if ur inferior Si, instead of waking and processing in a linear function by continuing to walk in one line to one destination, you’re all over the place and constantly switching sides and wishy washy behaviour I think and
About infj, inferior Se means that ur Ni clashed with Se and how that plays out is that Ni takes in information from theories concepts beliefs ideas ideology, information that is “what if?” Rather than “what is?” all that and internalises it with a personal bias that believes in their insights and truth over all the other possibilities.
intuition and mbti is al about simplification to process things better that requires the ability to not just take in things how they are but make an interpretation of it. Ni believes in one interpretation and one right and one wrong, Ne believes there are many right answers and many wrong answers.
Ni will take in information and judge for themselves whether they want it or don’t and will only take what they want or need, Ne will take in theoretical information and trade their judgements and interpretations by leaving it open for interpretation, they will share their beliefs and perspectives and also take in others while Ni will not care what others think and keep it to themselves and for themselves.
Ni can clash with Se because Ni can be very stubborn and deep rooted into their beliefs that they struggle to try new things unless they can find a purpose to it.
Intuitives often crave meaning but Ni can be less open as they tend to be judgy before trying something new. Ni get into the trap of Being stuck in their own heads and overthinking what’s going to happen before trying it and that annoys Se because they prefer to try first and think later.
@@YourMom-iy6cvwhich function is good at focusing? Si or se? Bc I have adhd and I need to know
Se as Se Dom ?
Regarding the last part about Se and new experiences: As an ENFP (Ne Dom), I need variety and new experiences, too. It is even difficult for me to watch a movie more than once, unless it is really funny, or one of my favorites. Too much repetition and routine drains me. Or maybe I'm mistyped? 😂 On a side note, I may have ADHD.
I know ppl who don’t ever re-read books or re-watch shows. I revisit my fav books and films from time to time. They are like comfortable shoes or food to fall back on when I need some respite.
@@33Jenesis I was just using those things as examples. The way he describes Se in that way is exactly how I feel with dominant Ne. I crave new people, places, things, and experiences, but I also crave new ideas, concepts, and things to ponder/obsess about.
@@LizzMo This is me, too! I get bored not having new obsession. Unfortunately nothing is ever work related or can make money. Perhaps one of these days I might find investment interesting lol.
@@33Jenesis I'm guessing you are ENFP, too? Any guesses on Enneagram type? I'm type 6. Despite looking for new "Oooh shinies," I do also find comfort in familiar things. I'm very sentimental, too!
@@LizzMo INTP. I have never liked crowd or going out, prefer to stay in the head space. Traveling in a city setup is exciting yet exhausting. Ne is there to help my brain work thru the new idea or subject. If I was a Ne dom I’d be more comfortable in a group, talking to ppl, or more spontaneous.
How can it come that you have such a multifaceted, individual and complex way of understandig every personality? I can understand that one can recognize the types and categorize them with a handful of information, but I woundn't expect someone to know about the darksides, especielly not when these parts often are put under the radar. Socializiation is sometimes required to see the fullest of a person. Since you are an intp, I assume you don't you don't like peopling... (and I can understand that!).
As yes, the functions that the world would be better without