Your commentary is GOLD. Crackalacking sense of humour that makes ANYTHING interesting to listen to...yes, EVEN "boring''(?) Science. :) Going through this video confirmed to me that I'm a hardcore INTJ who has been wrestling with Fi for the past 3 years and has a random collection of unexpected Se moments (like noticing straightaway that someone is wearing a new shirt/sporting a new haircut/wearing make up...or going bonkers with energy at the idea of joining a fight club or trying THAT cake from the local bakery)...yeah. It's an enlightening experience to explore my attitudes through the prism of functions. Still, I do get very worked up about my clumsy Ti and useless Si. So, types like INTPs and ISFJs always end up in my "people to keep around and to learn from" tag list. :)
I don't disagree with what you said, but I think it's important to keep in mind that the "organization" goes on DURING the process of perceiving. Introverted sensing sees the whole world through a filter. (It is a filter based on past experiences, obscure rules, or whatever.) Typically the filter is most pronounced when the situation is one that the Si-user has already experienced. If it's a totally new area or a subject that can't easily be categorized, there may be less difference between the two types of sensation.
We have a 91 year old grandma like that. A family joke is that we should make a multiple choice quiz based on memories she's repeatedly shared of her life.
potato psoas My mom is an ISTJ and I am an ENFP. I have to just let her go through the motions as I mumble in agreement until see is finished. Ideas I entertain only cause concern and push her further into the loop...
My friend uses his Se all the time. He will explain to me in detail exaclty what happened, when it happened, who was there, what was going on, who said this to who... without ever getting to the point. It’s like all this sensory stuff IS the point. Well I have demon Si and he drives me nuts haha.
My ISTJ friend has to know EVERYTHING step by step, every little detail of a certain assignment it's a bit annoying since those gasps mean a bit of freedom and to play your own card but yeah it's just how she is xD
I empathise with your friend, as an ISTJ xD Immediately, in response to your comment, I thought "Well that's just asking for trouble, skipping steps! If you do it right the first time, you don't have to go back and fix what you screwed up for not giving your teacher/boss/etc just what they've asked for. Once you give them what they want, then you can run around being a fuck up for shits and giggles, and no one will bother you about it." That's my mantra; do things right, do it beautifully and make people proud so they'll leave you the fuck alone and you can go do the things you REALLY want to do.
Loved this. I’m very familiar with MBTI, but new to your channel. Learned a lot and I appreciate that you stayed on point. Looking forward to watching more.
I appreciate you guys and what you do very much ♡ I'm INFJ and I'm thankful you both have the Te. I'm autistic with ADHD.. the information you give honour my Ti and Fe (except the comment about animals walking around like idiots in another video). You guys have got me into Socionics too, the MBTI makes more sense to me with Socionics because we still have to interact with the world... systems and things.
Lol, after watching this video I realized that as an ENTP I tend to use Si really meticulously when attempting to convince someone about something rather controversial or that seems extreme. I have my preconstructed procedure that I follow to really make my viewpoint land. I guess another prerequisite is that I have a strong personal conviction, this might even be the main determinant. I use it when I no longer see a valid reason to continue debating the issue. Whenever I've finally reached a final conclusion (which is rather rare), I condense it into a focused and effective little mental package aimed at being as convincing and effective as possible. One reason for this being mainly applied for very controversial topics is that somewhat unwilling listeners will oftentimes interrupt you if you're unable to relay the information withing a limited timeframe.
So as a result of these videos I've gone from "I'm definitely an INFP" to "what if I'm not an INFP" to "You know what I was probably right the first time, I'm an INFP" to "I could be any one of these 16 types with equal probability". ...does this make self-identity a demon for me? Because I have no idea who I am. But I also suck at reading the tribe too, so this isn't helping.
Syogren I have the same problem too :( it feels like after MBTI my sense of identity has been really scattered becauSe I’m always switching inbetween what type i think I am
Because ENFPs have no structure or identity XD I suggest instead recognizing the qualities that are your demons and then you’ll start to appreciate being on the opposite end of the spectrum. Learn to enjoy the chaos; having more creativity and spontaneity is more fun!
@@kylebarrington8873 yah i when i take erickthor test i get enfp but i m an introvert and it doesnt fit i thought i was intp then in 16 personalities test it get me to intj A like whaaaatttt so yah i m confused as hell
I was thinking I would have put "detail-oriented" -- although I don't know if that's accurate, but imo it seems right. I personally get in trouble from it as much as it has helped me, since, yeah, I'm a person who seems to often see details that others don't, but I also sure miss the connections and big pictures a lot.
Oh, and I'm pretty sure I do make typos and errors like this, and I even don't get bent out of shape over it. O_o' Fingers honestly just have a mind of their own sometimes.
Makes so much sense, as a lead Si user, all day every is exhausting filtering through stored information and ordering it in files in my mind. If there's gaps, I will go research and find what I need to fill in the gaps. Also, first thing I notice about objects is how they're organized, this includes people. I also get inner sensations when something just doesn't feel right. If the object or objects (including people) is about to become disorganized my muscles tense up and it feels like pins and needles. So it's my duty as an ISTJ to fix it. What was your role in your family? It's a great way to start determining your type. What do you feel responsible for? In my case, it was my lead Se brother...throw a bunch of crap against the wall to see what sticks. ☺️😆 My mom couldn't handle him so she assigned me the responsibility. She was lead Si also, but Fe parent. She gave me the parental responsibility of thinking for the tribe (Te). Problem solver extraordinaire!🙌
6:42 OMG, your point about Si bringing out the same exact story, with the same points, in the same order at the same place. You've just described my father perfectly. and if I interrupt the story part of the way through by giving him the answer that would come at the end, in the middle because I know how the ending is going to go. It completely throws him off. and yes my stories for the most part unless I'm concentrating, I'm Se, are a shit list of fact in no particular order.
Se explains why one of my key problem solving tactics is just push all the buttons and see what happens. when I tell other people use the strategy it look at me like I had three heads. my father who he is Si always insist I read the manual. I'm not going to do that.
“Something that gives you a whole little Shit list to go through” 🤣. I’m sure if I looked for two sections ...which I’ll probably do in a moment, I could find out what type you are. But you remind me a lot of myself, an INTJ.
How I see the irrational functions (guess what my dominant function is based on this lol)~ Se: I SEE A TREE! Si: Wow! That tree is HUGE!! Ne: If that tree dies, how many species will die out? Ni: That big seed has a lot of importance, yet its sad how people don’t see that. It supports life and gives us more oxygen, which we need. We need this tree and this tree needs us. *If all of those big seeds die out, we are going to struggle.*-(most important Ni moment!!)
If I didn't know before, shitmess sensory reports would be the only keywords I'd need. And, yes, Si did come from college and a very organized college gf lol. Se will often skip over conjunctions or minor ideas while writing. For that I think writing is still pen to page, typing is not writing. Unless it's a dispassionate report, but that's just typing too
Sometimes I shifting into the Demon Si under the Saviour Fe for somewhat my discreet formulae of defense mechanisms, I cannot explain this time how I made the ways, I take more verifications for what I really mean for my futures next mechanically defensive revolutions
Can you make a video with a detailed look into typing someone? Maybe an example of your process, of tips on how to 'find their punchline' as you mentioned in another video?
a channel called NT support has good street-typing videos. They have 4 dudes all doing the typing and from the videos I've seen, usually at least 3 out of 4 of them seem to independently come to the same conclusion, and most of their audience is in agreement.
He says it all the time : Get to know that person over a long period of time... He can't make a video out of that. Well, he probably speed type people like the rest of us, tho. But it's not the point of his course.
An Si personality type who is not dependable nor dedicated to duty is either not dominant in Si or does not have Si even as an auxiliary function or is probably pissed off or stressed out so he or she is in their shadow functions or demon functions.
I always score as intp, but I'm pretty sure I have high Si. Although after reading many articles about blind spots and shadow functions I thought I was an ISFP, but they have Se. I'm confused again, what should I read about now?
Okay so actually the horrible powerpoint slide at the beginning is not all wrong. Te does require (in a way) quick results because Te leans heavily on an efficiency concept, additionally being adverse to rules and regulations may be a reference to anti-Ti (sort of but not completely) in that Ti is concerned with accuracy of information.
It's weird. I feel like I can't easily perceive things as they simply are, especially in the very space and present. That, or I _can_ see things, but it's inherently meaningless for me to consciously acknowledge as the simple truth of reality. I find that Mindfulness (Meditation) really helps alleviate that feeling of dissociation, when I fall into a loop of thinking too much, digging myself into a pit of grey uncertainty in conclusion and followed up action. I wonder if this phenomenon I'm trying to explain of myself can be considered as an example of inferior, or no Se. But I'm also wondering what the use of saying so would even be. As a side note, whether or not I know my type, I find that setting myself and aiming towards objective goals, and maintaining a present and retrospective view of variety in my daily life is what keeps me from falling into my own psychological traps, which I have been falling into lately (i.e. over-analyzing to the point of head-aches, more or less). Typing this comment probably won't help, to be honest, lol. So before I post it, I'm gonna put on my to-do list: "Comment your subjective, possibly trivial, thoughts on Dave's latest video" and check it off. :,)
I think that’s why as a M Se savior I’m terrible at telling jokes and stories. I’m just like, “haha punch line!” Or hey this and this crazy thing happened! Whenever I run to prove something it’s with random bits of anecdotal evidence I can recall.
i still don’t know which i use.. for a while i was under the impression i was an INFJ.. which is wrong.. apparently.. so i still don’t know wether I have Se or Si. because i can’t think of any examples of where i use either, on paper I relate more to Si i think. despite always thinking I was Se
what if you have characteristics of Se and Ne AND Ni but dont know what you really fit into? ive been super confused as to what type i am because i dont have ANY idea which one i am.
Is it true that people without Se like an INTP will have bad short term memory and better long term memory from Si? Cause it sure feels like my conversational memory is nonexistent...
What about people being/acting differently in different situations, how do we know which is the "true" functions, eg. I'm very Si at work, I want all the steps to be written out because I don't want to mess up, I don't want to be blamed for mistakes, by following the steps, I can fall back on "this is the procedure/policy that was agreed upon". However, at home or during my "leisure" time, its more of "as long as the ingredients kinda make sense, it should be fine, we don't need to follow the exact recipe" type of thing. Its because logically, when you mess up at work, its a bigger issue, that's why a more "solid" approach is required, while when its just for fun, it doesn't really matter that much and its more fun to do it without following every single step. In this case, which scenario should I judge my personality upon?
Based on this my preference seems to be more Se but definitely lower in function stack (get stressed out with excessive sensory info). Not much Si I guess. I'm guessing Ni might be my preference. When I am baking I just glance at a recipe, guess the general idea, unless there are specifics (such as measurements), but otherwise just kind of "guess" "or "know" my way though with occasional interjections to alter the recipe, such as adding cranberries or strawberries into a blueberry muffin mix if I have them around. (try it, really tastes good.) I don't even use a timer much of the time. I just kind of "know" when it is done and take it out, give it a test. Usually I get something edible out of it. With meats I use a thermometer. Very seldom do I burn something even if don't use a timer. This is even when baking. I guess my father cooks that way too, except when baking uses a timer. Just kind of skims over the recipe and then guesses what is needed based on what we have or his creative choices. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. There's a family joke about our cooking style too, passed on from his family, about you either like it or hate it, but either way eat it up, because you won't have that dish again.
+Bug Folk I think people with Ni and Se have a very good timing for everything in general. Dom-Se know when to jump into the action to shine their brightest lights, while Dom-Ni know how much time has elapsed since events X and Y in a very intangible way. My personal example is that I'm NEVER late for anything...even when I leave my house "late". Similarly, I put my alarm clock on snooze with the intent of sleeping 10mins, then usually wake up BEFORE the 10mins countdown is about to hit the -30s mark. I'm Vegetarian, but when I cook meat, I figure out when the dish is ready without tasting it. It's a really strange experience though: like living out in the realm of Spacetime rather than the world of Gravity. :)
Now that you mention it I do notice much of the time I can kind of know or guess time/ hour/ sometimes within a 5-10 min range) of day without looking at a watch. I do anyway to make sure I'm accurate with making bus schedules, but I have an idea how long it takes for me to walk to the stop. Sometimes I there will be a gut feeling is something is going to go wrong, like I'm going to miss the transfer. Sometimes that proves to be normal anxiety, but other times it really happens just as my hunch foresaw. Fe related: I sometimes seem to "know" what to say or do and cheer someone up in a bad mood. One instance was on the bus, I heard an emotional exchange over the phone with a mother and her daughter. Whatever it was, distressed the mother. She snapped and then grunted "Uffda" and all of a sudden I just laughed and blurted out "You said Uffda!" and she suddenly cheered up and laughed along. I had this happen today in a gift store with an older lady and her grown daughter or caretaker trying to offer her random things and her saying "No I can't use this? What am I going to do with it?" She was negative and downbeat. But I had the urge to joke with her, tease her by offering her a toy snake. At then she opened up about being a rare person who likes snakes, shared personal details about her past, and started opening up. We could have carried the conversation a bit more but I was with a college class field trip and we had to go. But it kind of spooked me how that worked out, knowing that was quite a risk. Sometimes anxiety holds me back from acting on those Fe moments, but when I do it is interesting what happens.
+Bug Folk This is a great and enlightening account. :) Yes, for Fi-Tert users, I think INTJs can catwalk the Fe-realm in crisis situations really well. I think your idea that it might be Ni-Se related makes a lot of sense, now that I look at certain social situations in retrospect (i.e IXFJs confiding so freely in me like I'm their psychanalyst). Just don't shove me in the middle of an EXFJ party.
I can "walk" Fi at times, but I feel shame and a sense of being exposed later if it isn't reciprocated. Having PMS depression intensifies this effect. Fe is looking for external validation for whether my emotion is an appropriate reaction but then also realizing no one else is a mind reader, thus trying to figure it out by myself, but being unable to change my emotions internally. Best I can do is seek out someone to bounce that off and get feedback to check my level of emotional balance. This tends to be very effective, much better than self analysis. But throw me in large social gathering and, I don't believe I can sustain ExFJ party either. In my cause it may not be death by Fe. More like Death by Se? Death by Ti? I can bounce of an E's energy, but the sensory stimuli like noise and music, and a bit of feeling like there's too much info to keep up with and I need to return to my quiet place is what gets me. But if I am an ambivert maybe I'm I am xNFJ. Considering that, could that explain why both Fe and Se values can fluctuate in a person? If I focus, Se works like my above post. It can also be a hindrance when losing or misplacing stuff. When under stress I get to "speed reading" and thus end up with things seeming to be either out of focus or poorly rendered in my mind. (think anxiety attack, everything is glowing and swooshing just like the movies.) Just trying to determine whether Ti or if Se is my inferior. Or perhaps they swap order depending on circumstance and emotional state.
+Bug Folk Hm. It does seem like you use Fe as your standard tool to interact with/navigate the world. Fi is probably your sort of alerting you that you might be going overboard with the Fe-ness, but at the same time leaving you in a difficult situation where your emotions are neither processed nor validated (I have the same issue with making Te-heavy decisions and then pondering whether I've thought the whole process through accurately). Talking about parties, I have an INFJ colleague and he always goes mental when people around him are unnecessarily loud for the sake of loudness = degree zero of communication. It's like a mix of Fe-Ti->Se exasperation. Funny thing is, he does that sassy thing against anyone he considers close to him. :) With the amount of analysis you are doing, I doubt that you are Ti-inf. Ti-Inf (ExFJs) usually make zero sense to me as they vent with some kind of badly hidden agenda while pretending to be objective in their observations.
Me baking, can't follow a fucking recipe: hm... I put that extra egg by accident and now, my thing is super fluffy... More eggs=more fluffy? *proceeds to do experiment, cooked thing explodes in the oven and kitchen is a mess* Welp... Looks like we're done cooking. Let's go dig up my old chem books...
I don't think your first function can be a demon. Your second or third can be though, and your fourth always is. Depression can be a result of many different factors, but I don't think it is the result of any personality type in and of itself. Just a thought, it could stem from having a severe imbalance in your functions or how you spend your energy/time, likely your first and fourth functions. For whatever it's worth, I'm still figuring our this myself, so take what I'm saying with a grain of salt.
This is just an opinion, but I think you might be labelling the introverted functions wrong. Wouldn't Ni be organizing *Facts* in a *Single Pattern* and Si be organizing *Concepts* in the a *Single List/Timeline* ?
But speaking of facts and ideas, I don't think they work that separately for most people. I guess I'm just trying to make sense why some people fall for conspiracy theories (or make them up) while some people don't. Being an INFP, I do care about facts, where they came from, and who gathered/said them. But I'm bad at explicitly recalling and organizing information unless I have them saved or written somewhere. Or maybe that's a Decider vs Observer thing. But I really doubt that people who don't check facts or their credibility are just Intuition users with very inferior Sensing. At least most of the INTJ, INFJ, ENFP, and ENTPs I've met do care about facts. Weirdly enough the ISTJ & ISFJ I know seem to be more vulnerable to believing in hoaxes. Is it because they're just bad at seeing the pattern behind information?
2:21, 3:08, 3:56 etc Why do you swear? And why don't you do it more often? Do you think you might run the risk of sounding vulgar if you swear too much?
2:30 how in the world is that Se by itself? As someone with lead Se and supporting Fi my first "though" is how I feel about something "I like it" / "I dislike it" / "I feel weird about it" etc. Instinctively comparing whatever you see to something you remember is Si.
Se is a function that gathers new information like Ne gathering new concepts, the big idea is that they're both gathering functions. Your first function is harder to notice since it's the function you're using the most. Me having Ni as lead is hard for me to notice myself using until I start recognizing that I'm obsessively organizing physically to avoid chaotic mess around me. Sometimes I'm aware that I went over the same concepts over and over again. It'll take me at least two weeks to months until I'm ready to gather more concepts. What you're describing about Fi is the action of the animal Consume. The expression for Consume is Oe + Di meaning it takes an extroverted perceiving function plus an introverted decider. In this case based off of what you have described, you would be using Se + Fi; you're gathering new information based on what you like. This requires you to use two functions simultaneously. Remember anybody can do everything. Anybody can compare from their past experience, it's how you're doing it that makes the difference. I compare my recent art projects with my old ones and focus on how I improved over the years knowing I'll get even better in the future if I keep practicing. Saying someone can compare due to their own memory is a very broad way of tracking sensory in general. Using that to only track Si would break down very easy since everyone can compare from their past experience.
He totally blows it there. I don't give rats ass about whether someone stuff is better or worse than my stuff. Se is not into hierarchical sorting based on "status," that is a Si thing. I may make a judgement, "that's a nice painting" but that's it.
I honestly prefer the definitions given by Cognitive Personality Theory, who states intuition as a broadened view of whichever way a Precieving lense is focused, and sensing as a concrete, focused lense. So Si is a concentrated view of the internal world, relating to the past-oriented, detailed side of Si users, and Se as a concentrated view of the external world. How you use them depends on your judging functions, maybe an INxP has a very focused view on their Ti/Fi, a precise lense that moves between differing states. An INTP will have a detailed inner world surrounding the concepts gathered by Ne, which will be observed by Ti and Si.
I think a good way to separate the two is perception functions (N and S) are passive ordering and gathering while judging functions (T and F) are active ordering and gathering
I'm still finding it difficult to accept this perspective. This is what I'm used to: ESXP is gathering facts from your surroundings ISXP is gathering facts from your memory ESXJ is organizing facts from your surroundings ISXJ is organizing facts from your memory.
He mainly meant that you kinda suck at your Si, just like I suck at Fe, or he sucks at Se. (If I remember well) Demon is just another term for "repressed"
I love your content but hate the delivery. I wish you could clearly communicate the information without littering it with swearing and trying to be funny.
I'm so done with your channel. I used to love it, but... Typical INTJ, you criticize everything and don't realize your own hypocrisy. You contradict yourself so many times between videos and even in the SAME VIDEO, I'm giving up on trying to make sense of what you're trying to say, let alone trust you know what in the world you're talking about.
Finally!!!! Someone explains those f*ing functions! With anecdotes! That's all I needed after burning my brain everywhere else. Thank you!
So good hey!?!?
Yes !! Short , simple and understandable!!
instablaster...
I have never seen anyone getting so excited when an ad pops up on the screen.
i laugh every time
3:55 What Si is going through all day: "HOW THE HELL WOULD I KNOW????"
Sounds about right T_T
Artbug I’m an infp is it normal for me to feel the same way
As an intp, this is my life.
@@Sts998 well it's your third function so yes. I'm an infp and my Si shows too sometimes
Thanks, now I want pumpkin pie. 😐
Fatty. :P
Your commentary is GOLD. Crackalacking sense of humour that makes ANYTHING interesting to listen to...yes, EVEN "boring''(?) Science. :)
Going through this video confirmed to me that I'm a hardcore INTJ who has been wrestling with Fi for the past 3 years and has a random collection of unexpected Se moments (like noticing straightaway that someone is wearing a new shirt/sporting a new haircut/wearing make up...or going bonkers with energy at the idea of joining a fight club or trying THAT cake from the local bakery)...yeah. It's an enlightening experience to explore my attitudes through the prism of functions.
Still, I do get very worked up about my clumsy Ti and useless Si. So, types like INTPs and ISFJs always end up in my "people to keep around and to learn from" tag list. :)
I don't disagree with what you said, but I think it's important to keep in mind that the "organization" goes on DURING the process of perceiving. Introverted sensing sees the whole world through a filter. (It is a filter based on past experiences, obscure rules, or whatever.) Typically the filter is most pronounced when the situation is one that the Si-user has already experienced. If it's a totally new area or a subject that can't easily be categorized, there may be less difference between the two types of sensation.
potato - your five senses perceive sense-facts. That's literally what they do.
this comment is super useful!
Oh my goooosh my ISTJ father does that same exact thing, where he tells the exact same story over, and over, and over, and over...
We have a 91 year old grandma like that. A family joke is that we should make a multiple choice quiz based on memories she's repeatedly shared of her life.
Yes! My dad will tell the same story with the same words in the same order. It's freaking archival.
My dad too lol
potato psoas My mom is an ISTJ and I am an ENFP. I have to just let her go through the motions as I mumble in agreement until see is finished. Ideas I entertain only cause concern and push her further into the loop...
Same here with my dad. Okay, it's a trend, book it.
As an ENTJ I appreciate how fast you talk
Same here as an INTJ
My friend uses his Se all the time. He will explain to me in detail exaclty what happened, when it happened, who was there, what was going on, who said this to who... without ever getting to the point. It’s like all this sensory stuff IS the point. Well I have demon Si and he drives me nuts haha.
I really like the way you describe everything! It's so clear and understandable. I also like your sense of humor 😂
My ISTJ friend has to know EVERYTHING step by step, every little detail of a certain assignment it's a bit annoying since those gasps mean a bit of freedom and to play your own card but yeah it's just how she is xD
I empathise with your friend, as an ISTJ xD Immediately, in response to your comment, I thought "Well that's just asking for trouble, skipping steps! If you do it right the first time, you don't have to go back and fix what you screwed up for not giving your teacher/boss/etc just what they've asked for. Once you give them what they want, then you can run around being a fuck up for shits and giggles, and no one will bother you about it." That's my mantra; do things right, do it beautifully and make people proud so they'll leave you the fuck alone and you can go do the things you REALLY want to do.
@@KelseyStanbrook This comment made me instinctively groan as a lead Ne. You're 100% typed right lol, type is scarily real
i love ur sense of humor
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Loved this. I’m very familiar with MBTI, but new to your channel. Learned a lot and I appreciate that you stayed on point. Looking forward to watching more.
I guess that’s why I don’t mind following recipes over and over it’s less stressful! lol.
I can also make the same references over and over.
I appreciate you guys and what you do very much ♡ I'm INFJ and I'm thankful you both have the Te. I'm autistic with ADHD.. the information you give honour my Ti and Fe (except the comment about animals walking around like idiots in another video). You guys have got me into Socionics too, the MBTI makes more sense to me with Socionics because we still have to interact with the world... systems and things.
This was great Sir SuperPowers! Gracias!
Lol, after watching this video I realized that as an ENTP I tend to use Si really meticulously when attempting to convince someone about something rather controversial or that seems extreme. I have my preconstructed procedure that I follow to really make my viewpoint land. I guess another prerequisite is that I have a strong personal conviction, this might even be the main determinant. I use it when I no longer see a valid reason to continue debating the issue. Whenever I've finally reached a final conclusion (which is rather rare), I condense it into a focused and effective little mental package aimed at being as convincing and effective as possible. One reason for this being mainly applied for very controversial topics is that somewhat unwilling listeners will oftentimes interrupt you if you're unable to relay the information withing a limited timeframe.
These give me life! Thank you :)
So as a result of these videos I've gone from "I'm definitely an INFP" to "what if I'm not an INFP" to "You know what I was probably right the first time, I'm an INFP" to "I could be any one of these 16 types with equal probability".
...does this make self-identity a demon for me? Because I have no idea who I am. But I also suck at reading the tribe too, so this isn't helping.
Syogren I have the same problem too :( it feels like after MBTI my sense of identity has been really scattered becauSe I’m always switching inbetween what type i think I am
Me in a nutshell
im getting an enfp vibe from your comment
Because ENFPs have no structure or identity XD
I suggest instead recognizing the qualities that are your demons and then you’ll start to appreciate being on the opposite end of the spectrum. Learn to enjoy the chaos; having more creativity and spontaneity is more fun!
@@kylebarrington8873 yah i when i take erickthor test i get enfp but i m an introvert and it doesnt fit i thought i was intp then in 16 personalities test it get me to intj A like whaaaatttt so yah i m confused as hell
1:00 very *_adept_* at giving attention to detail
The irony.... 😅
"very adapt at giving attention to detail. unlike the person who typed this."
I was thinking I would have put "detail-oriented" -- although I don't know if that's accurate, but imo it seems right. I personally get in trouble from it as much as it has helped me, since, yeah, I'm a person who seems to often see details that others don't, but I also sure miss the connections and big pictures a lot.
Oh, and I'm pretty sure I do make typos and errors like this, and I even don't get bent out of shape over it. O_o' Fingers honestly just have a mind of their own sometimes.
Dang, you're speaking FAST
And the ENTP’s watching will still put it on 2x speed
I had it on 1.5 speed. Infj
I don't even have to speed it up, compared to most other UA-camrs! (INFP)
Makes so much sense, as a lead Si user, all day every is exhausting filtering through stored information and ordering it in files in my mind. If there's gaps, I will go research and find what I need to fill in the gaps. Also, first thing I notice about objects is how they're organized, this includes people. I also get inner sensations when something just doesn't feel right. If the object or objects (including people) is about to become disorganized my muscles tense up and it feels like pins and needles. So it's my duty as an ISTJ to fix it. What was your role in your family? It's a great way to start determining your type. What do you feel responsible for? In my case, it was my lead Se brother...throw a bunch of crap against the wall to see what sticks. ☺️😆 My mom couldn't handle him so she assigned me the responsibility. She was lead Si also, but Fe parent. She gave me the parental responsibility of thinking for the tribe (Te). Problem solver extraordinaire!🙌
What a great video!!! The good old days!!!
“Let’s head over to Google so we know how to do it wrong” !!! Had me laughing so hard 😂😂😂
6:42 OMG, your point about Si bringing out the same exact story, with the same points, in the same order at the same place. You've just described my father perfectly. and if I interrupt the story part of the way through by giving him the answer that would come at the end, in the middle because I know how the ending is going to go. It completely throws him off.
and yes my stories for the most part unless I'm concentrating, I'm Se, are a shit list of fact in no particular order.
When I see that room I'm asking "Why is the couch facing away from the TV?"
I thought the same thing!
while I'm at it, I'd close the window for better tv watching lol
Me too -ENFP
I was listening to him rather than analysing the photo hahaha but cool
Would love to see videos on developing your functions !
Se explains why one of my key problem solving tactics is just push all the buttons and see what happens. when I tell other people use the strategy it look at me like I had three heads. my father who he is Si always insist I read the manual. I'm not going to do that.
🤣😅
I hope you'll never get to work in a nuclear power plant !
You are going to be a good doctor... push until it hurts.
Brilliant explanation thank you
“Something that gives you a whole little
Shit list to go through” 🤣. I’m sure if I looked for two sections ...which I’ll probably do in a moment, I could find out what type you are. But you remind me a lot of myself, an INTJ.
How I see the irrational functions (guess what my dominant function is based on this lol)~
Se: I SEE A TREE!
Si: Wow! That tree is HUGE!!
Ne: If that tree dies, how many species will die out?
Ni: That big seed has a lot of importance, yet its sad how people don’t see that. It supports life and gives us more oxygen, which we need. We need this tree and this tree needs us. *If all of those big seeds die out, we are going to struggle.*-(most important Ni moment!!)
im an entp and according to the internet im Si ,but i relate alot more to Se so idk wtf is going on
If I didn't know before, shitmess sensory reports would be the only keywords I'd need. And, yes, Si did come from college and a very organized college gf lol. Se will often skip over conjunctions or minor ideas while writing. For that I think writing is still pen to page, typing is not writing. Unless it's a dispassionate report, but that's just typing too
Sometimes I shifting into the Demon Si under the Saviour Fe for somewhat my discreet formulae of defense mechanisms,
I cannot explain this time how I made the ways,
I take more verifications for what I really mean for my futures next mechanically defensive revolutions
Can you make a video with a detailed look into typing someone? Maybe an example of your process, of tips on how to 'find their punchline' as you mentioned in another video?
See the online class on their website
a channel called NT support has good street-typing videos. They have 4 dudes all doing the typing and from the videos I've seen, usually at least 3 out of 4 of them seem to independently come to the same conclusion, and most of their audience is in agreement.
He says it all the time : Get to know that person over a long period of time...
He can't make a video out of that.
Well, he probably speed type people like the rest of us, tho. But it's not the point of his course.
Goddamn it, Turi.
An Si personality type who is not dependable nor dedicated to duty is either not dominant in Si or does not have Si even as an auxiliary function or is probably pissed off or stressed out so he or she is in their shadow functions or demon functions.
Well explained
dominant Ni must have some overlap with Si, cause I thought I was an SJ many times, but once I delved deeper, I realized that was wrong
Ty
"OOO! An add!"
Great video homie (:
What do you define as the difference(s) between Consume & Gather?
I love gathering facts. I crave to gather facts about things I am interested in. That confuses the issue.
Coolness
What about the ISxP and ESxJ functions?
hm when I tell a story I always add more stuff cause more stuff comes to mind...
Can some explain the difference in gathering patterns and gathering facts?
You're like the Dr. Cox MBTI.
I always score as intp, but I'm pretty sure I have high Si. Although after reading many articles about blind spots and shadow functions I thought I was an ISFP, but they have Se.
I'm confused again, what should I read about now?
Well, in INTPs Si is a terciary function. Which means you could be an INTP with a very well developed Si, it could def happen.
Okay so actually the horrible powerpoint slide at the beginning is not all wrong. Te does require (in a way) quick results because Te leans heavily on an efficiency concept, additionally being adverse to rules and regulations may be a reference to anti-Ti (sort of but not completely) in that Ti is concerned with accuracy of information.
pretty sure that thing about pumpkin pie is a Te thing
My cooking is clear intuition
It's weird. I feel like I can't easily perceive things as they simply are, especially in the very space and present. That, or I _can_ see things, but it's inherently meaningless for me to consciously acknowledge as the simple truth of reality.
I find that Mindfulness (Meditation) really helps alleviate that feeling of dissociation, when I fall into a loop of thinking too much, digging myself into a pit of grey uncertainty in conclusion and followed up action.
I wonder if this phenomenon I'm trying to explain of myself can be considered as an example of inferior, or no Se.
But I'm also wondering what the use of saying so would even be.
As a side note, whether or not I know my type, I find that setting myself and aiming towards objective goals, and maintaining a present and retrospective view of variety in my daily life is what keeps me from falling into my own psychological traps, which I have been falling into lately (i.e. over-analyzing to the point of head-aches, more or less).
Typing this comment probably won't help, to be honest, lol.
So before I post it, I'm gonna put on my to-do list:
"Comment your subjective, possibly trivial, thoughts on Dave's latest video"
and check it off. :,)
Trayson INTP?
I’m an Infj and I heavily relate to this feeling.
I think that’s why as a M Se savior I’m terrible at telling jokes and stories. I’m just like, “haha punch line!” Or hey this and this crazy thing happened! Whenever I run to prove something it’s with random bits of anecdotal evidence I can recall.
i still don’t know which i use.. for a while i was under the impression i was an INFJ.. which is wrong.. apparently.. so i still don’t know wether I have Se or Si. because i can’t think of any examples of where i use either, on paper I relate more to Si i think. despite always thinking I was Se
i cant grasp the difference between facts and patterns no matter how hard i try and its frustrating
What are the patterns?
what if you have characteristics of Se and Ne AND Ni but dont know what you really fit into? ive been super confused as to what type i am because i dont have ANY idea which one i am.
Punnet square? . . Did you take intro to Genetics lmfao
9:3:3:1 doe
Is it true that people without Se like an INTP will have bad short term memory and better long term memory from Si? Cause it sure feels like my conversational memory is nonexistent...
@@cocob0l0 I meant more like knowledge and learning than about long term memories of people and events.
What about people being/acting differently in different situations, how do we know which is the "true" functions, eg. I'm very Si at work, I want all the steps to be written out because I don't want to mess up, I don't want to be blamed for mistakes, by following the steps, I can fall back on "this is the procedure/policy that was agreed upon".
However, at home or during my "leisure" time, its more of "as long as the ingredients kinda make sense, it should be fine, we don't need to follow the exact recipe" type of thing. Its because logically, when you mess up at work, its a bigger issue, that's why a more "solid" approach is required, while when its just for fun, it doesn't really matter that much and its more fun to do it without following every single step. In this case, which scenario should I judge my personality upon?
damn that SE random
Based on this my preference seems to be more Se but definitely lower in function stack (get stressed out with excessive sensory info). Not much Si I guess. I'm guessing Ni might be my preference. When I am baking I just glance at a recipe, guess the general idea, unless there are specifics (such as measurements), but otherwise just kind of "guess" "or "know" my way though with occasional interjections to alter the recipe, such as adding cranberries or strawberries into a blueberry muffin mix if I have them around. (try it, really tastes good.) I don't even use a timer much of the time. I just kind of "know" when it is done and take it out, give it a test. Usually I get something edible out of it. With meats I use a thermometer. Very seldom do I burn something even if don't use a timer. This is even when baking. I guess my father cooks that way too, except when baking uses a timer. Just kind of skims over the recipe and then guesses what is needed based on what we have or his creative choices.
Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. There's a family joke about our cooking style too, passed on from his family, about you either like it or hate it, but either way eat it up, because you won't have that dish again.
+Bug Folk I think people with Ni and Se have a very good timing for everything in general. Dom-Se know when to jump into the action to shine their brightest lights, while Dom-Ni know how much time has elapsed since events X and Y in a very intangible way.
My personal example is that I'm NEVER late for anything...even when I leave my house "late". Similarly, I put my alarm clock on snooze with the intent of sleeping 10mins, then usually wake up BEFORE the 10mins countdown is about to hit the -30s mark. I'm Vegetarian, but when I cook meat, I figure out when the dish is ready without tasting it. It's a really strange experience though: like living out in the realm of Spacetime rather than the world of Gravity. :)
Now that you mention it I do notice much of the time I can kind of know or guess time/ hour/ sometimes within a 5-10 min range) of day without looking at a watch. I do anyway to make sure I'm accurate with making bus schedules, but I have an idea how long it takes for me to walk to the stop. Sometimes I there will be a gut feeling is something is going to go wrong, like I'm going to miss the transfer. Sometimes that proves to be normal anxiety, but other times it really happens just as my hunch foresaw. Fe related: I sometimes seem to "know" what to say or do and cheer someone up in a bad mood.
One instance was on the bus, I heard an emotional exchange over the phone with a mother and her daughter. Whatever it was, distressed the mother. She snapped and then grunted "Uffda" and all of a sudden I just laughed and blurted out "You said Uffda!" and she suddenly cheered up and laughed along. I had this happen today in a gift store with an older lady and her grown daughter or caretaker trying to offer her random things and her saying "No I can't use this? What am I going to do with it?" She was negative and downbeat. But I had the urge to joke with her, tease her by offering her a toy snake. At then she opened up about being a rare person who likes snakes, shared personal details about her past, and started opening up. We could have carried the conversation a bit more but I was with a college class field trip and we had to go. But it kind of spooked me how that worked out, knowing that was quite a risk. Sometimes anxiety holds me back from acting on those Fe moments, but when I do it is interesting what happens.
+Bug Folk This is a great and enlightening account. :)
Yes, for Fi-Tert users, I think INTJs can catwalk the Fe-realm in crisis situations really well.
I think your idea that it might be Ni-Se related makes a lot of sense, now that I look at certain social situations in retrospect (i.e IXFJs confiding so freely in me like I'm their psychanalyst).
Just don't shove me in the middle of an EXFJ party.
I can "walk" Fi at times, but I feel shame and a sense of being exposed later if it isn't reciprocated. Having PMS depression intensifies this effect.
Fe is looking for external validation for whether my emotion is an appropriate reaction but then also realizing no one else is a mind reader, thus trying to figure it out by myself, but being unable to change my emotions internally. Best I can do is seek out someone to bounce that off and get feedback to check my level of emotional balance. This tends to be very effective, much better than self analysis.
But throw me in large social gathering and, I don't believe I can sustain ExFJ party either. In my cause it may not be death by Fe. More like Death by Se? Death by Ti? I can bounce of an E's energy, but the sensory stimuli like noise and music, and a bit of feeling like there's too much info to keep up with and I need to return to my quiet place is what gets me. But if I am an ambivert maybe I'm I am xNFJ. Considering that, could that explain why both Fe and Se values can fluctuate in a person?
If I focus, Se works like my above post. It can also be a hindrance when losing or misplacing stuff. When under stress I get to "speed reading" and thus end up with things seeming to be either out of focus or poorly rendered in my mind. (think anxiety attack, everything is glowing and swooshing just like the movies.) Just trying to determine whether Ti or if Se is my inferior. Or perhaps they swap order depending on circumstance and emotional state.
+Bug Folk Hm. It does seem like you use Fe as your standard tool to interact with/navigate the world. Fi is probably your sort of alerting you that you might be going overboard with the Fe-ness, but at the same time leaving you in a difficult situation where your emotions are neither processed nor validated (I have the same issue with making Te-heavy decisions and then pondering whether I've thought the whole process through accurately).
Talking about parties, I have an INFJ colleague and he always goes mental when people around him are unnecessarily loud for the sake of loudness = degree zero of communication. It's like a mix of Fe-Ti->Se exasperation. Funny thing is, he does that sassy thing against anyone he considers close to him. :)
With the amount of analysis you are doing, I doubt that you are Ti-inf. Ti-Inf (ExFJs) usually make zero sense to me as they vent with some kind of badly hidden agenda while pretending to be objective in their observations.
Finalllllllyyyyyy
Ne/si is not reading the manual because you believe you will figure it out with intuition and then reading the manual when you screw up anyway
i think i might use Si bc i dont relate to Se at all and my Si is in the 1st point
4:50 Isn't wanting to stick with the facts more of a Te thing?
I feel like these videos are purposefully made to be confusing so we buy the course
I agree use the sensory lol
Me baking, can't follow a fucking recipe: hm... I put that extra egg by accident and now, my thing is super fluffy... More eggs=more fluffy? *proceeds to do experiment, cooked thing explodes in the oven and kitchen is a mess* Welp... Looks like we're done cooking. Let's go dig up my old chem books...
"FUCK "These" Facts" I lol'ed.
Is depression linked to having your primary function as a deamon?
I don't think your first function can be a demon. Your second or third can be though, and your fourth always is. Depression can be a result of many different factors, but I don't think it is the result of any personality type in and of itself. Just a thought, it could stem from having a severe imbalance in your functions or how you spend your energy/time, likely your first and fourth functions. For whatever it's worth, I'm still figuring our this myself, so take what I'm saying with a grain of salt.
Primary Ni recipe for depression: Pick a girl you like and have visions many years into the future, then wait for reality to crush your dreams.
This is just an opinion, but I think you might be labelling the introverted functions wrong. Wouldn't Ni be organizing *Facts* in a *Single Pattern* and Si be organizing *Concepts* in the a *Single List/Timeline* ?
But speaking of facts and ideas, I don't think they work that separately for most people. I guess I'm just trying to make sense why some people fall for conspiracy theories (or make them up) while some people don't. Being an INFP, I do care about facts, where they came from, and who gathered/said them. But I'm bad at explicitly recalling and organizing information unless I have them saved or written somewhere. Or maybe that's a Decider vs Observer thing. But I really doubt that people who don't check facts or their credibility are just Intuition users with very inferior Sensing. At least most of the INTJ, INFJ, ENFP, and ENTPs I've met do care about facts. Weirdly enough the ISTJ & ISFJ I know seem to be more vulnerable to believing in hoaxes. Is it because they're just bad at seeing the pattern behind information?
0:40 I'm an INTJ and Imma Gansta!😜
3:57 I say this alot
Personality cafe is a dumpster fire of misinformation
I do not understand SI
2:21, 3:08, 3:56 etc Why do you swear? And why don't you do it more often? Do you think you might run the risk of sounding vulgar if you swear too much?
2:30 how in the world is that Se by itself?
As someone with lead Se and supporting Fi my first "though" is how I feel about something "I like it" / "I dislike it" / "I feel weird about it" etc.
Instinctively comparing whatever you see to something you remember is Si.
Se is a function that gathers new information like Ne gathering new concepts, the big idea is that they're both gathering functions. Your first function is harder to notice since it's the function you're using the most. Me having Ni as lead is hard for me to notice myself using until I start recognizing that I'm obsessively organizing physically to avoid chaotic mess around me. Sometimes I'm aware that I went over the same concepts over and over again. It'll take me at least two weeks to months until I'm ready to gather more concepts. What you're describing about Fi is the action of the animal Consume. The expression for Consume is Oe + Di meaning it takes an extroverted perceiving function plus an introverted decider. In this case based off of what you have described, you would be using Se + Fi; you're gathering new information based on what you like. This requires you to use two functions simultaneously. Remember anybody can do everything. Anybody can compare from their past experience, it's how you're doing it that makes the difference. I compare my recent art projects with my old ones and focus on how I improved over the years knowing I'll get even better in the future if I keep practicing. Saying someone can compare due to their own memory is a very broad way of tracking sensory in general. Using that to only track Si would break down very easy since everyone can compare from their past experience.
He totally blows it there. I don't give rats ass about whether someone stuff is better or worse than my stuff. Se is not into hierarchical sorting based on "status," that is a Si thing. I may make a judgement, "that's a nice painting" but that's it.
I honestly prefer the definitions given by Cognitive Personality Theory, who states intuition as a broadened view of whichever way a Precieving lense is focused, and sensing as a concrete, focused lense. So Si is a concentrated view of the internal world, relating to the past-oriented, detailed side of Si users, and Se as a concentrated view of the external world. How you use them depends on your judging functions, maybe an INxP has a very focused view on their Ti/Fi, a precise lense that moves between differing states. An INTP will have a detailed inner world surrounding the concepts gathered by Ne, which will be observed by Ti and Si.
I feel like you are describing Ti
I think a good way to separate the two is perception functions (N and S) are passive ordering and gathering while judging functions (T and F) are active ordering and gathering
I'm still finding it difficult to accept this perspective.
This is what I'm used to:
ESXP is gathering facts from your surroundings
ISXP is gathering facts from your memory
ESXJ is organizing facts from your surroundings
ISXJ is organizing facts from your memory.
I like this dude he talks fast and straight forward I like it 🌚💞🍟
Edit:I got bored 🌚
¿Por qué ese anuncio en español?
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¿¿Qué diablos está pasando aquí??
lol
Lmao @ shit list 😂
Screw the "facts". They are never right in the first place.
I'm an ENFP. ARE U SAYING MY Si is a demon? I don't get it. I think u were mainly talking about lead So. You're quite pompous.
He mainly meant that you kinda suck at your Si, just like I suck at Fe, or he sucks at Se. (If I remember well)
Demon is just another term for "repressed"
I love your content but hate the delivery. I wish you could clearly communicate the information without littering it with swearing and trying to be funny.
far too abstract
I'm so done with your channel. I used to love it, but... Typical INTJ, you criticize everything and don't realize your own hypocrisy. You contradict yourself so many times between videos and even in the SAME VIDEO, I'm giving up on trying to make sense of what you're trying to say, let alone trust you know what in the world you're talking about.