I mean to be fair, the Hanna Barbara line of cartoon characters were heavily unbalanced in terms of gender and the whole show would be weird if the town of Jellystone looked like the Smurf Village.
@nicksorenson940 Wake up. You're just blinded by nostalgia. I heavily suggest you analyze the show without the lenses of nostalgia instead of letting it cloud your judgement.
I grew up going to Jellystone Camp every summer, and watched the entire Hanna Barbera animated collection on VHS. Jabberjaw was my ultimate bias, but I have fond memories of Auggie Doggy, Squiddly Diddly, Wally Gator, and the rest of the gang. Personally, I love this new show, and what they did with the characters. Most of these characters originally had one personality trait, and it was dumb. I like that they now have more distinct personalities, and the writing on the show is comedy gold.
And you just called Hanna-Barbera's actual characters "dumb" when I wouldn't be at all surprised if this series has been doing things with their characters that would have both of them spinning in their graves now. I guess that would only say a lot about how much you really care about their classic work.
@@nicksorenson940 I grew up on Hanna Barbera characters. I love Hanna Barbera characters. I love the reboot. I don't have anything to prove to you and I don't need to impress you.
There was almost no females, and creating brand new characters was not worth it because there would be too many characters to juggle. It's up to viewers to interpret why certain characters were chosen to be genderswapped over others.
This is disrespectful for 80 or 90 people and pretty confusion. Also it just a kid show why u need to make gender equality stuff in this shows like that?
Jellyatone is, first and foremost, a character driven show. I'm ok with any change to these characters if it allows for more story and comedy opportunities. And it's not like they can just make new female characters, that would go against the whole point of the show.
I can see where you're coming from considering that Top Cat (Don Gato) is VERY popular in Latin America, especially Mexico and right on par with the other Hanna-Barbera shows that Latin America is acquainted with such as Scooby-Doo, The Flintstones (Los Picapiedras), The Jetsons (Los Supersónicos), Yogi Bear and The Smurfs (Los Pitufos). I'm more curious on who they would get for Top Cat and his gang for the Latin American dub of Jellystone, cause no doubt they would use Raul Anaya, Mauricio Pérez and possibly Gerardo Alonso for Top Cat (Don Gato), Benny (Benito), and Fancy Fancy (Panza) from the more recent CG Top Cat film (Don Gato: El inició de la pandilla) while Brain (Demóstenes), Choo Choo (Cucho/Cucha) and Spooky (Espanto/Espanta) be voiced by voiced by women as long as Choo Choo has the Yucatán accent.
Eh, it’s good enough. They still gave Choo Choo a yucatan accent (renaming her Cucha, even giving her a nickname: Cuchis) and with Brain (renamed Demonstenas) they kept the stuttering, something that even the English version omitted.
"Just make new female characters" That usually results in two routes: Tauriel from the Hobbit and Ros from Game of Thrones. Tauriel breaks many rules of her world by her mere existence and actions, overshadows canon characters and doesn't fit with the tone of the story. Ros was alright, but she was mostly decorative and added nothing to the plot aside from some nude (as if Game of Thrones was short of that). She could have been removed from the story and nothing would have changed. Same for Karsi, Kinvara, Myranda (not Royce) and all the other OCs they made. CH Greenblatt can and has invented fantastic funny characters, but the dissonance would have been there. In Jellystone!, even the extras are from HB shows. Not a single OC is present. Same for She-Ra, which also only uses characters from the 80s show. They'd stick out like a sore thumb.
I can support genderbending the characters if you're making sort of a reboot or remake, if there's already enough characters and an additional character could mess up the dynamic or be boring, like most of what you said. In other situations I think they should make new characters though, a lot of the time they're just being lazy and want woke points is my issue with situations where that seems to be the case. Anyway, I don't really care that they genderbent the characters, I just felt like expressing my random opinion so yea. K bye
These should be Jellystone's new female characters: Princess Poodly Poodella Madame McMooMoo (a cow) Granny Goosey Mutt Mommy (Augie Doggie's mom and Doggie Daddy's wife) Daisy the Dolphin Bezzy and the Buzzies (a music girl group consisting of anthropomorphic honeybees) Kelly Kitty (A young white 5 year old cat) Bella the Baby Bluebird Leotard Leopard the Jaguar Jymnast Hogletta (the pig role model) An elderly female chicken
But C. H. Greenblatt should be having no right to be messing around with so many of these classic characters that he didn't create and so are arguably *not his* to even be allowed to be making this series in the first place. Ultimately I'd have to blame the fact that they've been under WB's ownership now, as I'd expect today's corporate management to care even less about the responsibility of wanting to maintain the creative integrity of Hanna-Barbera's own animated work.
I hate gender swapping character but when they do it to a character who not popular and hasn't been around for over 30 years or so i am ok with it. Like i remember Jabberjaw and i am 100% ok.
Really digging your videos Toonstarterz, and although I'm not a big Hanna-Barbera fan as the only HB shows I watched and remembers are Scooby-Doo, The Flintstones, The Jetsons, Tom & Jerry and Top Cat, I am really digging the new show Jellystone not only because it's CH Greenblatt who did Chowder and Harvey Beaks but also for it's Humor and unique cast of characters with some of them being genderbent. You do bring up a good point on the gender balance cause most of the Hanna-Barbera Animal characters were largely male and although we did had a few female animal characters such as Cindy Bear (Yogi Bear), Floral Rugg & Ma Rugg from Hillbilly Bears they only represented 10% of the Male Hanna-Barbera characters hence why Jabberjaw, Auggie Doggie, Yakky Doodle, Loopy de Loop, Choo Choo, Spooky, Brain, Baba Looey, Hardy Har Har, Chopper and Squiddly Diddly were made female in Jellystone. Speaking of Loopy, she is without a doubt one of my favorite characters in the show due to her sass and deadpan chaotic sense of humor but deep down she still cares and shows friendship to her friends including Jabberjaw. Can't help that Loopy reminds me of Rosa Diaz from _Brooklyn Nine-Nine._ Thanks for the video Toonstarterz.
As far as I am concerned, they did screw up with Jabberjaw. Not the gender. Female Jabber is fine. My issue is they did the shark dirty by not talking like Curly from the Three Stooges anymore.
Jabberjaw is the only character who I think should've remained male...and had Peter Potamus' love for anime, while still trying to ask out girls...maybe kinda like Brock from Pokemon. Pretty much failing at it. As for Peter...maybe he could've had somewhat of a Crocodile Hunter kind of show or something. Everyone else is fine, especially Doggy and Oggie. They are adorable as all hell.
Jabberjaw is awesome, but aggie doggie has to be the best change, she is just to adorable and it really gives daddy doggy a great twist to his character too!
I’ve gotten used to all the genderswap characters by now, except for one, and that one isn’t really because of the gender. The one character that they changed that I cannot get over is Baba Looey. I’m not mad that they changed the gender, I’m mad because they changed him from Mexican to American, and his entire character as a whole. I mean, why would they get rid of some Mexican representation? I guess there’s Quick Draw (or El Kabong) who’s now Mexican, but why change one and get rid of another? If they kept him Mexcian, that could’ve shown even more representation than from just one character. They didn’t even really build off of his character at all, she’s just a business woman now which does not relate to the original Baba Looey at all. There’s plenty of ways they could’ve gone about this. He could’ve just been an average depiction of a Mexican-American, and have a less exaggerated Mexican accent, so like a modern Speedy Gonzales vibe, and that’s it, he can even be part of Yogi’s friend group in the show. Or he could just be turned into a kid. If they could turn Ruff and Reddy into kids, then they could’ve done the same with Baba Looey. Or even better, still actually have him associated with Quick Draw. He can still be Quick Draw’s sidekick, but have more personality. Like still give him his feisty personality, make him more competent than Quick Draw, have him be a voice of reason. His outfit could even match, like give him a black mask, black bandana, and black cowboy hat, and his weapon could just be a smaller guitar. Now this one character doesn’t make me hate Jellystone, I love Jellystone and can’t wait for new episodes to come, but I’m just disappointed that they did too much to this one character that barely needed anything changed.
I have no nostalgia for that character and I also thought it was the worst change in the series, I don't know what was wrong with her being Mexican in a time where representation in cartoons is a top priority, they could have made her a more interesting character instead of a boring office lady
Wow, I didn't even know that was Baba Looey. Yeah his change and Quick Draw also bother me the most. It's weird cause like, El Kabong is very popular yes but so was Quick Draw, who is the same person, so it's very odd that they've kept and pretended that this disguise with a fake accent is actually the entire character and then also made Looey an entirely different character. Much like was said in this video it's great when the characters fit the template, I love Auggie and the top cat gang, but they just didn't do that at all with Looey and to a lesser extent "Mcgraw"
I agree, change a few characters, but they went totally overboard. But Quick Draw new persona is one of the better changes atleast he’s a more serious character now instead of the goofy that he’s always has been. Plus since one of his past role was being a sheriff. I mean Geesh they could also made him sheriff of the town and El Kabong.
I will say this... more than anything, i fell in love with their voices (on principle, replacing any Paul Lynde role with someone who doesn't try to sound the part is sacrilege), but the one whose voice change that hurt the most was Snagglepuss.
Personally, for me, they did well to change the gender of certain characters. If we think about excluding humans among HB animals, women can be counted on the fingers of one hand because they are so few. Then, again in my opinion, apart from Jabberjaw and Loopy they mostly chose secondary characters or those who take a back seat.
"If you shave bald and strip naked a character and stick them in a room with other characters; you should still be able to tell at a glance who is who." I don't recall the first time I heard that, but it looks like I'm not the only one to hear it.
In some parallel universe, if half of TC’s gang were swapped the other way around, Choo Choo, Brain, and Spook would probably still be voiced by the same voice actors in the Top Cat Movie and Top Cat Begins. Top Cat would probably be voiced by Tara Strong (Harley Quinn NY accent), Benny would be voiced by Grey Griffin (sounding like Vicky), and Fancy would be voiced by Jessica DiCico (sounding like Lynn Loud).
Can I just say some of the best jellystone characters (and these are just off the top of my head) Top cat and his gang, snagglepuss, huckleberry hound and Daddy doggie and auggie doggie
Jabberjaw was the only one that really bothered me but that was just because I liked his Curly-esque voice lol. Kids today wouldn't even know who Curly is...
Look, I don’t care about about it because zi didn’t know half these characters. I’ve heard of a couple of them ( like Yogi, Huckleberry, and Top Cat) but I didn’t really know too much about them because, they just hadn’t really done anything for the past couple years! The only ones I really knew anything about were the banana splits (I think we all know why). So, it didn’t really bother me too much
*sees a majority of characters being turned to girls with some showrunners even claiming they're transgender as a reference to their original portrayals* me: I just think they're neat! : D
Hmmm haven't heard about this til now but I checked it out when I can^^i mean that cool Hannah Barbara characters in a new light like this seem interesting:)
I am ok with the Gender swap in Jellowstone for sure. But for one character that is an issue for me is Loopy for some reason. I like Loopy from the old cartoon and I like that he was my first good wolf character I seen and he was nice and always wanted to help folks. This Loopy……she doesn’t care at all and looks boring. =/ Now that I think about it, I don’t think it’s able the gender but the character.
their is a scene in the supermarket with Doggy Daddy and Augie Doggy where he refers that Augie is his beautiful Girl Son possibly confirming she/he is trans lol
I have a theory that most of the gender swapped characters are actually the sisters & cousins of the originals (or mother in the case of Hardy Har-Har Hyena), that just take on their identities while the real ones are happily relaxed & retired. Their real names are: Girl Squiddly = Octavia (male Squiddly's sister) Girl Loopy = Lupa (male Loopy's cousin) Girl Jabberjaw = Gabbygums "Gabby" (Jabber's sister) Old Lady Hardy = Heidi Har-Har (Hardy's mother) Girl Auggie = Audrey (one of boy Auggie's identical sisters) Girl Chopper = Gnawtasha (Chopper's wife) Girl Yakky Doodle = Yolanda (sister) Girl Choo-Choo = Chi-Chi (sister) "Spooky" = Snookie (Spook's sister) Girl Brain = Brianna (cousin) Girl Dixie = Delilah (sister) Girl Snooper = Susie (sister) Bobbie Looey (one of Baba Looey's sisters, the other sister is married to Quickdraw's son Timothy)
The real problem is that there is no real reason to do a reboot on a character if you're going to change their entire characteristic trait. So they might as well do a completely different and original characters instead of reusing existing ones. So what would have made it better for my suggestion is making a next generation leap version of Hanna Barbara series for example staring their children or new characters into the 2020s.
I feel like the only noteworthy characters who even casual hanna barbara fans might take issue with their genders being changed is jabberjaw and half of top cat’s gang
The new Augie Doggie is one of my favorite changes that Jellystone! and C.H. Greenblatt has made. I'm glad that Jellystone! has breathed new life into a lot of semi-obscure characters and brought them to a newer audience. All in all, I'm just wanting more Snagglepuss and Top Cat and even more Huckleberry Hound screentime because I love them so much.
Guess what. When Jellystone first came out, that was the first time most people saw Oggy doggy and doggy daddy, and they’re getting their history wrong.
My mom loved squiddly diddly as a young teen and when she grew up she passed it on to me, most people around my mom's age too like that character, where I'm from his cartoons were always airing sinse the late sixties I think. So yeah when you said some characters shouldn't be changed, he kinda fits that criteria, at least for us
@@igomes8794 I'm confused on what you mean exactly but if you think I'm mad about this whole genderswap thing, I'm really not Most of the characters were just given eye lashes and that's it wich is fine but squiddly was completly changed, she has hair, a different outfit and a different personality. She's basically a new character
If the original IP is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO bad, if it has so many "Not Perfect" things, if it is a sausage fest, if the female characters are "ancillary", if it aged so poorly and no body cares, why make a reboot? Oh the origial was all those bad things was so lame and dated but the reboot is so great thanks to the gender swap, wonder why that is.I wonder why you only liked the IP until they introduce genderswap? It's almost as if that's the only metric you use for how good things are. Mmmmmmmmmmmmm.
I don't think they did it because of equality Or at least, it serves another goal unintentionally Which is this There are enough HB characters to populate a town, but most of them are dudes, a town only with male characters is kind of strange Therefore Swap some characters might be as good as adding new ones only to add females like they did in the looney tunes suburbs
I'm old and grew up on all of these shows, and I love Jellystone! I don't really understand how anyone could be upset about doing a new spin on these old characters. It's just its own thing. Edit: I also find it hilarious that, for the most part, the only visual changes to the genderswapped characters is they have eyelashes now. I half think that's intentional commentary on how so many male cartoon characters would be given female counterparts who are just them with eyelashes.
Because even if they've been with WB now these characters have always truly belonged to Hanna-Barbera, and it's WB that should be honoring their legacy by keeping the integrity of their established classic array of characters and properties. They should not be having someone like C. H. Greenblatt doing "his own spin" on these properties in any shittier looking animation style that strips all the original charm and appeal out of them. What they should be doing is staying faithful to *Hanna-Barbera's* style, because it's *Hanna-Barbera's* characters.
Nobody gives a sh** about Hanna Barbera characters, they were never so popular or so iconic despite being famous. The only exception would be touching the balls of the Flintstones for example, or Scooby-doo (*Velma vietnam flashback), or perhaps The Jetsons, although with this one I doubt it, it always seemed to me like a Flintstones diluted in water.
I'm 100% with your opinion. To those always complaining about these kind of changes (race, gender, sexual diversity, etc), just change the fkng channel! Not every content is for everyone, so whatever, haters...
I may like classic Hanna-Barbera cartoons, but Jellystone is its own universe similar to multiverses like Digimon, Megami Tensei, DC, Marvel, Transformers, or Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Jellystone is a re-imagination of classic Hanna-Barbera cartoons.
I think it's a "non-issue". As you said these new generation of cartoons aren't made for "us". For every 40 or over 50 year old complaining about the "new cartoons" there are thousands of kids enjoying them. I don't want to sound like an "woke old guy", I'm 53 and admit that some changes are done to ca$h on new trends but in the case of Jellystone it was done seamless. There's a lot of stuff outhere I don't agree with but I don't go complaining about it. I just simply stop watching, unsuscribe, unfollow or (and this one is the most effective) stop paying or buying.
That's irrelevant to me. If WB today really cares as much as they should about keeping the integrity of Hanna-Barbera's classic animated properties and characters under their ownership, long after their original creators have passed, that they should be keeping that consistent for *every* generation. But what's it really been saying about WB in that regard if they've been so busy greenlighting these embarrassing looking "modern" revisions of HB's work in the first place with Jellystone!, Velma, and Yabba Dabba Dinosaurs that completely stray away from their established animation style and fly right in the face of the creators' original intent? What they're wanting to feed kids with this series is bullshit. This is *not* a true and respectable reflection of Hanna-Barbera's characters and animation for the current generation. Only someone else's own perversion of them making all of their characters look bad. Shows like this are not how they should be keeping their legacy alive and relevant.
I like that the show focuses on lesser known characters, if it had the Mystery Gang, Flintstones, and the Jetsons day 1, they would take up all the screen time.
Honestly, turning Jabberjaw in a sassy black woman was the only instance of genderswapping in Jellystone that put me off, because I was already somewhat familiar with the original character from that old Boomerang music video and the Mystery Incorporated crossover episode that featured Jabberjaw. Otherwise, I didn’t really care about any of the others.
And if there's nothing truly wrong with the *actual* (not just "old") versions of these characters as Hanna-Barbera created them, then just watch them and *stop having this kind of pervasive garbage being done with them in the first place* ! How about not wanting to give any of our own fuel to this sort of fire by telling them that what they've been wanting to do with a lot of these classic properties nowadays is even "good" to begin with?
They did a good job balancing the gender-swapping of the shows (and even made some of them LGBTQ-friendly). Since most of these characters have been around since the 50s, their is bound to be some baggage they had to deal with over the years.
There are actually plenty of female animal characters they could’ve fleshed out such as Lila Lion, Desert Flower, Roxy Bear, Zelda Ostrich and Sheena Lion.
the funny thing about this video is you sound like a young men who probabily has never wtached any of those hanna-barbera show and yet think you have "authority" to say what the ones who did must feel..oh,yeah "these kids nowadays",the only ones who is entlited to opinions...
I say this as someone who only just found out about the show and had some thoughts about how they gender swapped a number of characters. Honestly, I get it. For what it was trying to do, I can see they couldn't just make new female characters. That being said, while I'm fine with the changes (from the clips I've seen, it *is* a pretty funny show, although I couldn't consider Jabber Jaw as anything but a totally different character that looks similar to and has the name of Jabber Jaw), I think some of your reasoning for getting others to be fine with it kinda questionable. It's true that the female characters in the older shows were ancillary most times, I don't think that's really enough of a reason to support the gender swap, since it kinda says that they couldn't do anything with the female characters that were already there; that they *had* to Rule 63 characters because developing the already female characters wouldn't work. Also effectively telling people "No one cares about your shows, really" isn't the best way to support being okay with the gender swaps.
JellyStone seems like a Modern twist to a classic formula, but if the writers had the balls they should’ve only changed a few characters and just created a bunch of new characters that would complement the Chemistry with the already existing characters. Just to let You know. Jabberjaw was never meant to be a female teenager girl and Magilla gorilla was never supposed to be Andy Warhol who drive a Lexus SUV to work. The writers on this show turn Magilla Gorilla into an art Deco critic that’s pretty much a Yuppie. I get that certain characters had to be updated and Jabberjaw and Magilla Gorilla are minor characters, but still iconic. Also Quick Draw Macgrew talks with a Latin accent instead of his white Cowboy accent. I get that he pretends to be Zorro. But for real besides the accent maybe that’s one of the few improvements that I can understand. But his sidekick turn into a white female Business woman. They went too far in my opinion. I look at this show taking place in an amalgamated parallel universe.
Well I'm not okay with it, cause C. H. Greenblatt should be having no true license to mess around to this extent with the characters that will always belong to William Hanna and Joseph Barbera before him. Anyone who would truly want to honor the integrity of their work would know that, but Jellystone! is one of those shameless animated reboots that spits right in the face of it.
@@nicksorenson940 keep in mind that I'm pretty sure the creator said that jellystone is not to replace the other cartoons. So in reality. Jabberjaw is still a male. And uh etc.
Loopy makes my Francophile tendencies go nuts. Give her an art deco cigarette holder and some absinthe and she's ready to sing torch songs in a cabaret and dodge tuberculosis.
Even tho I agree the gender change is pretty unique, I have some mixed feelings with it. I can agree that most characters like Loopy De Loop, Auggie Doggie, Yakky Doodle and Jabberjaw actually fits the change. But others like Baba Looey and some of Top Cat's friends... don't really fit.
6:32 I highly doubt that was consolation. Actually, that whole thing was presented very insultingly. If you consider pissing people off while they're still upset consolation, then yeah, it's consolation. Anyway, I don't care if that one green cat from that show I never watched is female now, or if the ska song shark no longer talks like curly. Just thought that had severe "shut up, I'm better than you" vibes
Gender Bending is fine. They did it to characters that were very bottom of the barrel. Though, the cartoons were on much later than you mention. Even if they were re runs. The last hanna barbara cartoon (That wasn't scooby doo) I saw on TV in a time slot where a lot of kids would of seen it was around was back around 2000 to 2002. Of all shows, It was Hong Kong Phooey and it was on around 6:30 or 7 at night.
"For some reason", you say? Maybe cause people in that fanbase respect that Hanna-Barbera were the ones who created these characters and don't ask for them to have to be made into anything other than what they wanted them to be. More than C. H. Greenblatt has shown to respect that, I'm sure.
These are not the famous Hanna Barbera characters being pasted down from decade to decade male or female like in the 2000s and the early 2010s and so!!!!!!!! They're identicals strangers!!!!!!!!!
While some genderswap characters got better than original, the shift in personalities make them feel like a mixed bag: I don't like that they turned Hardy Har Har into a smiley-looking Madame Foster clone. Last time I checked, it physically hurt that hyena to smile let alone laugh. Part of Hardy's charm was his pessimism and it seems like that was sucked clean out of him. As far as I'm concerned, Hardy was butchered in Jellystone. Also, I seriously doubt Spook and Spooky are the same character as one is a chill beatnik and the other is one of the derpiest cats I've seen in a cartoon since Waffle from Catscratch. I could see Spooky as a quirky older sister to Spook but not a full-on transition. Choo Choo is one of my sacred comfort characters and while I enjoy this version of them, the original will always be my favorite. I do think that more bland characters like Loopy De Loop and Augie Doggie were improved, though. Jabber Jaw more or less has the same old personality from what I recall despite the genderswap.
I Approve The Change Honestly Like If They Were The Same Gender Their Would Only Be Like 1 Female Character In The Intro!
2* Cindy and Winsome Witch
I mean to be fair, the Hanna Barbara line of cartoon characters were heavily unbalanced in terms of gender and the whole show would be weird if the town of Jellystone looked like the Smurf Village.
As someone who grew up on a diet of Hanna Barbara shows, I'm happy to see their characters being given a new lease of life nowadays 😊
The style leaves much to be desired
Only this is not the way to properly do it. Far from it.
@nicksorenson940 Wake up. You're just blinded by nostalgia. I heavily suggest you analyze the show without the lenses of nostalgia instead of letting it cloud your judgement.
Augie Doggy: Dear ol Dad!
Doggy Daddy: That's my... girl!
I grew up going to Jellystone Camp every summer, and watched the entire Hanna Barbera animated collection on VHS. Jabberjaw was my ultimate bias, but I have fond memories of Auggie Doggy, Squiddly Diddly, Wally Gator, and the rest of the gang. Personally, I love this new show, and what they did with the characters. Most of these characters originally had one personality trait, and it was dumb. I like that they now have more distinct personalities, and the writing on the show is comedy gold.
For me, it was not VHS; I saw Jaberjaw and many of the others on USA Network's Saturday morning block, Cartoon Express.
And you just called Hanna-Barbera's actual characters "dumb" when I wouldn't be at all surprised if this series has been doing things with their characters that would have both of them spinning in their graves now. I guess that would only say a lot about how much you really care about their classic work.
@@nicksorenson940 I grew up on Hanna Barbera characters. I love Hanna Barbera characters. I love the reboot. I don't have anything to prove to you and I don't need to impress you.
I honestly didn't expect any of the characters to have their genders changed, tbh.
There was almost no females, and creating brand new characters was not worth it because there would be too many characters to juggle. It's up to viewers to interpret why certain characters were chosen to be genderswapped over others.
This is disrespectful for 80 or 90 people and pretty confusion. Also it just a kid show why u need to make gender equality stuff in this shows like that?
@@0deadx21I don’t know a lot of woman that actually watch the show
@@animationman7772how is that disrespectful.
Jellyatone is, first and foremost, a character driven show. I'm ok with any change to these characters if it allows for more story and comedy opportunities.
And it's not like they can just make new female characters, that would go against the whole point of the show.
A lot of my Mexican friends really don’t like how the gender swapped some of the topcat cast but think the show is pretty funny regardless
I can see where you're coming from considering that Top Cat (Don Gato) is VERY popular in Latin America, especially Mexico and right on par with the other Hanna-Barbera shows that Latin America is acquainted with such as Scooby-Doo, The Flintstones (Los Picapiedras), The Jetsons (Los Supersónicos), Yogi Bear and The Smurfs (Los Pitufos).
I'm more curious on who they would get for Top Cat and his gang for the Latin American dub of Jellystone, cause no doubt they would use Raul Anaya, Mauricio Pérez and possibly Gerardo Alonso for Top Cat (Don Gato), Benny (Benito), and Fancy Fancy (Panza) from the more recent CG Top Cat film (Don Gato: El inició de la pandilla) while Brain (Demóstenes), Choo Choo (Cucho/Cucha) and Spooky (Espanto/Espanta) be voiced by voiced by women as long as Choo Choo has the Yucatán accent.
@@EChacon it’s probably going to be jarring and I hope that the voices can fit well despite being a different gender
Eh, it’s good enough. They still gave Choo Choo a yucatan accent (renaming her Cucha, even giving her a nickname: Cuchis) and with Brain (renamed Demonstenas) they kept the stuttering, something that even the English version omitted.
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"Just make new female characters"
That usually results in two routes: Tauriel from the Hobbit and Ros from Game of Thrones.
Tauriel breaks many rules of her world by her mere existence and actions, overshadows canon characters and doesn't fit with the tone of the story.
Ros was alright, but she was mostly decorative and added nothing to the plot aside from some nude (as if Game of Thrones was short of that). She could have been removed from the story and nothing would have changed. Same for Karsi, Kinvara, Myranda (not Royce) and all the other OCs they made.
CH Greenblatt can and has invented fantastic funny characters, but the dissonance would have been there. In Jellystone!, even the extras are from HB shows. Not a single OC is present. Same for She-Ra, which also only uses characters from the 80s show. They'd stick out like a sore thumb.
I can support genderbending the characters if you're making sort of a reboot or remake, if there's already enough characters and an additional character could mess up the dynamic or be boring, like most of what you said. In other situations I think they should make new characters though, a lot of the time they're just being lazy and want woke points is my issue with situations where that seems to be the case. Anyway, I don't really care that they genderbent the characters, I just felt like expressing my random opinion so yea. K bye
How about giving more use to the female characters that were already created? It worked for Cindy.
These should be Jellystone's new female characters:
Princess Poodly Poodella
Madame McMooMoo (a cow)
Granny Goosey
Mutt Mommy (Augie Doggie's mom and Doggie Daddy's wife)
Daisy the Dolphin
Bezzy and the Buzzies (a music girl group consisting of anthropomorphic honeybees)
Kelly Kitty (A young white 5 year old cat)
Bella the Baby Bluebird
Leotard Leopard the Jaguar Jymnast
Hogletta (the pig role model)
An elderly female chicken
But C. H. Greenblatt should be having no right to be messing around with so many of these classic characters that he didn't create and so are arguably *not his* to even be allowed to be making this series in the first place. Ultimately I'd have to blame the fact that they've been under WB's ownership now, as I'd expect today's corporate management to care even less about the responsibility of wanting to maintain the creative integrity of Hanna-Barbera's own animated work.
I hate gender swapping character but when they do it to a character who not popular and hasn't been around for over 30 years or so i am ok with it.
Like i remember Jabberjaw and i am 100% ok.
this is probably my favourite video of yours, I laughed out loud at several points
I love the theme song and the character redesigns. Can’t wait to watch the whole show
5:28 The lip sinc with Lord Huckleberry was done perfectly with what you was saying lol.
Really digging your videos Toonstarterz, and although I'm not a big Hanna-Barbera fan as the only HB shows I watched and remembers are Scooby-Doo, The Flintstones, The Jetsons, Tom & Jerry and Top Cat, I am really digging the new show Jellystone not only because it's CH Greenblatt who did Chowder and Harvey Beaks but also for it's Humor and unique cast of characters with some of them being genderbent.
You do bring up a good point on the gender balance cause most of the Hanna-Barbera Animal characters were largely male and although we did had a few female animal characters such as Cindy Bear (Yogi Bear), Floral Rugg & Ma Rugg from Hillbilly Bears they only represented 10% of the Male Hanna-Barbera characters hence why Jabberjaw, Auggie Doggie, Yakky Doodle, Loopy de Loop, Choo Choo, Spooky, Brain, Baba Looey, Hardy Har Har, Chopper and Squiddly Diddly were made female in Jellystone.
Speaking of Loopy, she is without a doubt one of my favorite characters in the show due to her sass and deadpan chaotic sense of humor but deep down she still cares and shows friendship to her friends including Jabberjaw. Can't help that Loopy reminds me of Rosa Diaz from _Brooklyn Nine-Nine._
Thanks for the video Toonstarterz.
C. H. Greenblatt made a good decision on making some characters females
As far as I am concerned, they did screw up with Jabberjaw. Not the gender. Female Jabber is fine. My issue is they did the shark dirty by not talking like Curly from the Three Stooges anymore.
Well, seeing as the male Jabberjaw didn't get no respect...
Jabberjaw is the only character who I think should've remained male...and had Peter Potamus' love for anime, while still trying to ask out girls...maybe kinda like Brock from Pokemon. Pretty much failing at it. As for Peter...maybe he could've had somewhat of a Crocodile Hunter kind of show or something.
Everyone else is fine, especially Doggy and Oggie. They are adorable as all hell.
"Doped up on estrogen" murdered me I'm subbing.
Out of all the characters of Jellystone that are now female, Jabberjaw is one of my favoritos characters
Jabberjaw is awesome, but aggie doggie has to be the best change, she is just to adorable and it really gives daddy doggy a great twist to his character too!
Choo Choo is my favorite
@@majamystic256 Choo Choo is pretty cool
Anyone else agree that Squiddly Diddly was the best genderswap?
I’ve gotten used to all the genderswap characters by now, except for one, and that one isn’t really because of the gender. The one character that they changed that I cannot get over is Baba Looey. I’m not mad that they changed the gender, I’m mad because they changed him from Mexican to American, and his entire character as a whole. I mean, why would they get rid of some Mexican representation? I guess there’s Quick Draw (or El Kabong) who’s now Mexican, but why change one and get rid of another? If they kept him Mexcian, that could’ve shown even more representation than from just one character. They didn’t even really build off of his character at all, she’s just a business woman now which does not relate to the original Baba Looey at all. There’s plenty of ways they could’ve gone about this. He could’ve just been an average depiction of a Mexican-American, and have a less exaggerated Mexican accent, so like a modern Speedy Gonzales vibe, and that’s it, he can even be part of Yogi’s friend group in the show. Or he could just be turned into a kid. If they could turn Ruff and Reddy into kids, then they could’ve done the same with Baba Looey. Or even better, still actually have him associated with Quick Draw. He can still be Quick Draw’s sidekick, but have more personality. Like still give him his feisty personality, make him more competent than Quick Draw, have him be a voice of reason. His outfit could even match, like give him a black mask, black bandana, and black cowboy hat, and his weapon could just be a smaller guitar. Now this one character doesn’t make me hate Jellystone, I love Jellystone and can’t wait for new episodes to come, but I’m just disappointed that they did too much to this one character that barely needed anything changed.
I have no nostalgia for that character and I also thought it was the worst change in the series, I don't know what was wrong with her being Mexican in a time where representation in cartoons is a top priority, they could have made her a more interesting character instead of a boring office lady
Wow, I didn't even know that was Baba Looey. Yeah his change and Quick Draw also bother me the most. It's weird cause like, El Kabong is very popular yes but so was Quick Draw, who is the same person, so it's very odd that they've kept and pretended that this disguise with a fake accent is actually the entire character and then also made Looey an entirely different character. Much like was said in this video it's great when the characters fit the template, I love Auggie and the top cat gang, but they just didn't do that at all with Looey and to a lesser extent "Mcgraw"
The simple answer would be: they didn't want to piss off the Mexicans.
I agree, change a few characters, but they went totally overboard. But Quick Draw new persona is one of the better changes atleast he’s a more serious character now instead of the goofy that he’s always has been. Plus since one of his past role was being a sheriff. I mean Geesh they could also made him sheriff of the town and El Kabong.
I will say this... more than anything, i fell in love with their voices (on principle, replacing any Paul Lynde role with someone who doesn't try to sound the part is sacrilege), but the one whose voice change that hurt the most was Snagglepuss.
Personally, for me, they did well to change the gender of certain characters. If we think about excluding humans among HB animals, women can be counted on the fingers of one hand because they are so few.
Then, again in my opinion, apart from Jabberjaw and Loopy they mostly chose secondary characters or those who take a back seat.
Started watching Jellystone properly, bit difficult since its not easily shown where I am. And I love it. Choo Choo is best character.
"If you shave bald and strip naked a character and stick them in a room with other characters; you should still be able to tell at a glance who is who."
I don't recall the first time I heard that, but it looks like I'm not the only one to hear it.
I'm only not okay with swapping half of Top Cap Crew. They are street thugs, local mobsters.
In some parallel universe, if half of TC’s gang were swapped the other way around, Choo Choo, Brain, and Spook would probably still be voiced by the same voice actors in the Top Cat Movie and Top Cat Begins. Top Cat would probably be voiced by Tara Strong (Harley Quinn NY accent), Benny would be voiced by Grey Griffin (sounding like Vicky), and Fancy would be voiced by Jessica DiCico (sounding like Lynn Loud).
Can I just say some of the best jellystone characters (and these are just off the top of my head) Top cat and his gang, snagglepuss, huckleberry hound and Daddy doggie and auggie doggie
Jellystone definitely has C.H. Greenblatt's fingerprints; there are moments where I get Chowder-vibes!
And it's pretty damn funny!
You forgot baba Louie Quickdraw Mcgraws sidekick
He's always El Ka-Boing
Because most people didnt care for most of the characters that got GS, I mean Brain and Spooky were the least important member of the TC gang.
Jabberjaw was the only one that really bothered me but that was just because I liked his Curly-esque voice lol. Kids today wouldn't even know who Curly is...
They will after a Google search.
Look, I don’t care about about it because zi didn’t know half these characters. I’ve heard of a couple of them ( like Yogi, Huckleberry, and Top Cat) but I didn’t really know too much about them because, they just hadn’t really done anything for the past couple years! The only ones I really knew anything about were the banana splits (I think we all know why). So, it didn’t really bother me too much
I agree with you on the Doggy's but the whole "helicopter parenting" thing is kind of 😬 ehhhh yeah
*sees a majority of characters being turned to girls with some showrunners even claiming they're transgender as a reference to their original portrayals*
me: I just think they're neat! : D
WHY can't they just made these the sisters of the original characters ? It would be actually great and It would made a lot of sense
Be Cool Scooby-Doo looked like Seth MacFarlane had some sort of involvement in it
Ok but
Girl Augie is precious and anyone who complains about her is heartless in my eyes
I can really tell that r34 is having their eyes on loopy de loop and brain
Hmmm haven't heard about this til now but I checked it out when I can^^i mean that cool Hannah Barbara characters in a new light like this seem interesting:)
When most of the cast in og Hb era were male , having the gender changed for half of them makes it so that it isn’t just a giant sausage fest .
I am ok with the Gender swap in Jellowstone for sure.
But for one character that is an issue for me is Loopy for some reason.
I like Loopy from the old cartoon and I like that he was my first good wolf character I seen and he was nice and always wanted to help folks.
This Loopy……she doesn’t care at all and looks boring. =/
Now that I think about it, I don’t think it’s able the gender but the character.
their is a scene in the supermarket with Doggy Daddy and Augie Doggy where he refers that Augie is his beautiful Girl Son possibly confirming she/he is trans lol
Most of the gender swaps are okay
Accept Baba Looey
I have a theory that most of the gender swapped characters are actually the sisters & cousins of the originals (or mother in the case of Hardy Har-Har Hyena), that just take on their identities while the real ones are happily relaxed & retired.
Their real names are:
Girl Squiddly = Octavia (male Squiddly's sister)
Girl Loopy = Lupa (male Loopy's cousin)
Girl Jabberjaw = Gabbygums "Gabby" (Jabber's sister)
Old Lady Hardy = Heidi Har-Har (Hardy's mother)
Girl Auggie = Audrey (one of boy Auggie's identical sisters)
Girl Chopper = Gnawtasha (Chopper's wife)
Girl Yakky Doodle = Yolanda (sister)
Girl Choo-Choo = Chi-Chi (sister)
"Spooky" = Snookie (Spook's sister)
Girl Brain = Brianna (cousin)
Girl Dixie = Delilah (sister)
Girl Snooper = Susie (sister)
Bobbie Looey (one of Baba Looey's sisters, the other sister is married to Quickdraw's son Timothy)
That's very interesting idea, actually.
The real problem is that there is no real reason to do a reboot on a character if you're going to change their entire characteristic trait. So they might as well do a completely different and original characters instead of reusing existing ones. So what would have made it better for my suggestion is making a next generation leap version of Hanna Barbara series for example staring their children or new characters into the 2020s.
I feel like the only noteworthy characters who even casual hanna barbara fans might take issue with their genders being changed is jabberjaw and half of top cat’s gang
Loopy De Loop Is Based!
I'm disappointed with Yogi cuz he acts like Peter from modern family guy.
Holy shit he does lol
I’ve never heard of this show imma check it out
The new Augie Doggie is one of my favorite changes that Jellystone! and C.H. Greenblatt has made. I'm glad that Jellystone! has breathed new life into a lot of semi-obscure characters and brought them to a newer audience. All in all, I'm just wanting more Snagglepuss and Top Cat and even more Huckleberry Hound screentime because I love them so much.
The most odd genderswap was Jabber Jaw. His Curly voice was iconic.
I love your mind, my bro! I got on the Hanna Barbera High since the 90's; Jellystone was the VERY FIRST YOGI BEAR SERIES IN 30 YEARS SINCE Yo, Yogi!
I got a crush on female brain lol.
Guess what. When Jellystone first came out, that was the first time most people saw Oggy doggy and doggy daddy, and they’re getting their history wrong.
My mom loved squiddly diddly as a young teen and when she grew up she passed it on to me, most people around my mom's age too like that character, where I'm from his cartoons were always airing sinse the late sixties I think.
So yeah when you said some characters shouldn't be changed, he kinda fits that criteria, at least for us
I´m from the same generation of yopur mom and i think that´s pure arrogancy how this mater put in this video
@@igomes8794 I'm confused on what you mean exactly but if you think I'm mad about this whole genderswap thing, I'm really not
Most of the characters were just given eye lashes and that's it wich is fine but squiddly was completly changed, she has hair, a different outfit and a different personality. She's basically a new character
I’m not for gender swapping existing characters. Seems like a cheap way to put females into the show. Not complaining, just saying.
Sometimes this kind of change may be really funny and Jellystone has an array of good examples. For me this is a great show
If the original IP is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO bad, if it has so many "Not Perfect" things, if it is a sausage fest, if the female characters are "ancillary", if it aged so poorly and no body cares, why make a reboot? Oh the origial was all those bad things was so lame and dated but the reboot is so great thanks to the gender swap, wonder why that is.I wonder why you only liked the IP until they introduce genderswap? It's almost as if that's the only metric you use for how good things are. Mmmmmmmmmmmmm.
I’ve got a few episode ideas and a way I would write jellystone would you like to hear?
Go for it
I don't think they did it because of equality
Or at least, it serves another goal unintentionally
Which is this
There are enough HB characters to populate a town, but most of them are dudes, a town only with male characters is kind of strange
Therefore
Swap some characters might be as good as adding new ones only to add females like they did in the looney tunes suburbs
I'm old and grew up on all of these shows, and I love Jellystone! I don't really understand how anyone could be upset about doing a new spin on these old characters. It's just its own thing.
Edit: I also find it hilarious that, for the most part, the only visual changes to the genderswapped characters is they have eyelashes now. I half think that's intentional commentary on how so many male cartoon characters would be given female counterparts who are just them with eyelashes.
Because even if they've been with WB now these characters have always truly belonged to Hanna-Barbera, and it's WB that should be honoring their legacy by keeping the integrity of their established classic array of characters and properties. They should not be having someone like C. H. Greenblatt doing "his own spin" on these properties in any shittier looking animation style that strips all the original charm and appeal out of them. What they should be doing is staying faithful to *Hanna-Barbera's* style, because it's *Hanna-Barbera's* characters.
If there's no season 3 this year I'll be glad that it didn't happen
it's okay, though the only Real part, i was actually A little Sad about, is, the Age Change of Lippy lion and Hardy Har Har.
Nobody gives a sh** about Hanna Barbera characters, they were never so popular or so iconic despite being famous. The only exception would be touching the balls of the Flintstones for example, or Scooby-doo (*Velma vietnam flashback), or perhaps The Jetsons, although with this one I doubt it, it always seemed to me like a Flintstones diluted in water.
I'm 100% with your opinion. To those always complaining about these kind of changes (race, gender, sexual diversity, etc), just change the fkng channel! Not every content is for everyone, so whatever, haters...
If my favorite series was jelly stone I would hate this lol
I may like classic Hanna-Barbera cartoons, but Jellystone is its own universe similar to multiverses like Digimon, Megami Tensei, DC, Marvel, Transformers, or Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
Jellystone is a re-imagination of classic Hanna-Barbera cartoons.
I think it's a "non-issue". As you said these new generation of cartoons aren't made for "us". For every 40 or over 50 year old complaining about the "new cartoons" there are thousands of kids enjoying them. I don't want to sound like an "woke old guy", I'm 53 and admit that some changes are done to ca$h on new trends but in the case of Jellystone it was done seamless. There's a lot of stuff outhere I don't agree with but I don't go complaining about it. I just simply stop watching, unsuscribe, unfollow or (and this one is the most effective) stop paying or buying.
That's irrelevant to me. If WB today really cares as much as they should about keeping the integrity of Hanna-Barbera's classic animated properties and characters under their ownership, long after their original creators have passed, that they should be keeping that consistent for *every* generation. But what's it really been saying about WB in that regard if they've been so busy greenlighting these embarrassing looking "modern" revisions of HB's work in the first place with Jellystone!, Velma, and Yabba Dabba Dinosaurs that completely stray away from their established animation style and fly right in the face of the creators' original intent?
What they're wanting to feed kids with this series is bullshit. This is *not* a true and respectable reflection of Hanna-Barbera's characters and animation for the current generation. Only someone else's own perversion of them making all of their characters look bad. Shows like this are not how they should be keeping their legacy alive and relevant.
Imagine a city with ONLY men. Awkward.
I like that the show focuses on lesser known characters, if it had the Mystery Gang, Flintstones, and the Jetsons day 1, they would take up all the screen time.
nice vid! I'll check out the series.
Honestly, turning Jabberjaw in a sassy black woman was the only instance of genderswapping in Jellystone that put me off, because I was already somewhat familiar with the original character from that old Boomerang music video and the Mystery Incorporated crossover episode that featured Jabberjaw. Otherwise, I didn’t really care about any of the others.
Im pretty sure the reason why some characters were gender swapped is because, without it, every character would be a man
If people like the old versions, then just watch the old versions. A lot of tgem are on DVD.
And if there's nothing truly wrong with the *actual* (not just "old") versions of these characters as Hanna-Barbera created them, then just watch them and *stop having this kind of pervasive garbage being done with them in the first place* !
How about not wanting to give any of our own fuel to this sort of fire by telling them that what they've been wanting to do with a lot of these classic properties nowadays is even "good" to begin with?
They did a good job balancing the gender-swapping of the shows (and even made some of them LGBTQ-friendly). Since most of these characters have been around since the 50s, their is bound to be some baggage they had to deal with over the years.
I can see why this was necessary. Most of hanna-barbera's characters were men
There are actually plenty of female animal characters they could’ve fleshed out such as Lila Lion, Desert Flower, Roxy Bear, Zelda Ostrich and Sheena Lion.
Yeah I'm OK too with some of the gender swap characters in this show
the funny thing about this video is you sound like a young men who probabily has never wtached any of those hanna-barbera show and yet think you have "authority" to say what the ones who did must feel..oh,yeah "these kids nowadays",the only ones who is entlited to opinions...
This is not even a Hanna Barbera if it's for HBO MAX!!!!!!!!
I say this as someone who only just found out about the show and had some thoughts about how they gender swapped a number of characters.
Honestly, I get it. For what it was trying to do, I can see they couldn't just make new female characters.
That being said, while I'm fine with the changes (from the clips I've seen, it *is* a pretty funny show, although I couldn't consider Jabber Jaw as anything but a totally different character that looks similar to and has the name of Jabber Jaw), I think some of your reasoning for getting others to be fine with it kinda questionable.
It's true that the female characters in the older shows were ancillary most times, I don't think that's really enough of a reason to support the gender swap, since it kinda says that they couldn't do anything with the female characters that were already there; that they *had* to Rule 63 characters because developing the already female characters wouldn't work.
Also effectively telling people "No one cares about your shows, really" isn't the best way to support being okay with the gender swaps.
I don't like this idea sorry i just think it was a bit unnecessary
JellyStone seems like a Modern twist to a classic formula, but if the writers had the balls they should’ve only changed a few characters and just created a bunch of new characters that would complement the Chemistry with the already existing characters.
Just to let You know. Jabberjaw was never meant to be a female teenager girl and Magilla gorilla was never supposed to be Andy Warhol who drive a Lexus SUV to work. The writers on this show turn Magilla Gorilla into an art Deco critic that’s pretty much a Yuppie.
I get that certain characters had to be updated and Jabberjaw and Magilla Gorilla are minor characters, but still iconic. Also Quick Draw Macgrew talks with a Latin accent instead of his white Cowboy accent. I get that he pretends to be Zorro. But for real besides the accent maybe that’s one of the few improvements that I can understand. But his sidekick turn into a white female Business woman. They went too far in my opinion. I look at this show taking place in an amalgamated parallel universe.
Well I'm not okay with it, cause C. H. Greenblatt should be having no true license to mess around to this extent with the characters that will always belong to William Hanna and Joseph Barbera before him. Anyone who would truly want to honor the integrity of their work would know that, but Jellystone! is one of those shameless animated reboots that spits right in the face of it.
@@nicksorenson940 keep in mind that I'm pretty sure the creator said that jellystone is not to replace the other cartoons. So in reality. Jabberjaw is still a male. And uh etc.
Loopy makes my Francophile tendencies go nuts. Give her an art deco cigarette holder and some absinthe and she's ready to sing torch songs in a cabaret and dodge tuberculosis.
I notices this early update of top cat 🐱 has him smoking. I kind of always thought of him as a smoker anyway
The males are not the real characters, they're identical strangers as well.
Even tho I agree the gender change is pretty unique, I have some mixed feelings with it.
I can agree that most characters like Loopy De Loop, Auggie Doggie, Yakky Doodle and Jabberjaw actually fits the change. But others like Baba Looey and some of Top Cat's friends... don't really fit.
I don't mind the gender swap either.
6:32 I highly doubt that was consolation. Actually, that whole thing was presented very insultingly. If you consider pissing people off while they're still upset consolation, then yeah, it's consolation. Anyway, I don't care if that one green cat from that show I never watched is female now, or if the ska song shark no longer talks like curly. Just thought that had severe "shut up, I'm better than you" vibes
Yeah I gotta agree that was the worse part of the video.
huh i just think it's strange but as long as the writing is good, i'll check it out
They didn't swap the characters genders, they did something worse....
The show's writer confirmed that some of the characters were transgender
Gender Bending is fine. They did it to characters that were very bottom of the barrel. Though, the cartoons were on much later than you mention. Even if they were re runs. The last hanna barbara cartoon (That wasn't scooby doo) I saw on TV in a time slot where a lot of kids would of seen it was around was back around 2000 to 2002. Of all shows, It was Hong Kong Phooey and it was on around 6:30 or 7 at night.
I’m not a big fan of the design I will say the show is not that bad like TTG or Thundercats Roar
A lot of the Hanna Barbera fanbase was angered when they genderswapped some of the characters for some reason but I don't mind it.
"For some reason", you say? Maybe cause people in that fanbase respect that Hanna-Barbera were the ones who created these characters and don't ask for them to have to be made into anything other than what they wanted them to be. More than C. H. Greenblatt has shown to respect that, I'm sure.
But how long will the show last for it to be acceptable
It’s probably just me, but I’ve never seen that much complaints.
I-I never even heard of any of this 😭
If this has Hanna Barbera characters then why is it on Cartoon Network instead of Boomerang?
I’m 33, I kinda remember those old characters and I like the new change. They are given more storylines
These are not the famous Hanna Barbera characters being pasted down from decade to decade male or female like in the 2000s and the early 2010s and so!!!!!!!! They're identicals strangers!!!!!!!!!
While some genderswap characters got better than original, the shift in personalities make them feel like a mixed bag:
I don't like that they turned Hardy Har Har into a smiley-looking Madame Foster clone. Last time I checked, it physically hurt that hyena to smile let alone laugh. Part of Hardy's charm was his pessimism and it seems like that was sucked clean out of him. As far as I'm concerned, Hardy was butchered in Jellystone.
Also, I seriously doubt Spook and Spooky are the same character as one is a chill beatnik and the other is one of the derpiest cats I've seen in a cartoon since Waffle from Catscratch. I could see Spooky as a quirky older sister to Spook but not a full-on transition.
Choo Choo is one of my sacred comfort characters and while I enjoy this version of them, the original will always be my favorite.
I do think that more bland characters like Loopy De Loop and Augie Doggie were improved, though. Jabber Jaw more or less has the same old personality from what I recall despite the genderswap.