When Goose died, the f14 A's engine stalled (as like previously), and due to the far spread engines, this caused a differential in thrust balance therefore creating a flat spin at 30 degrees vertically. Sorry to go too technical, I agree, he is very brave.
Man you fly great I have my F-14 tomcat for two years and still haven't flown it I keep crashing my training aircraft on landings best videos on F-14 tomcat I've seen I'm so crazy I want the up grade engine So I can really go fast straight into the ground. Dude good flying .
I bought the ARF Plus version last week, its supposed to be delivered tomorrow so I feel like a kid waiting on Santa. Sadly the PNP was out of stock, and going the ARF route is much more expensive than getting everything bundled in with the PNP, but at least it gives you the freedom of choosing your power system. I have a few 100 and 120 amp ESCs in my spare electronics box but just decided to go with the MIG 29 100A ESC to give myself some leeway for larger motors in the future and also try and keep heat down compared to the stock 80 amp but not go overboard and add unnecessary weight. Just still unsure of my choice for motors. I went ahead and got two of the 3530-1680kv motors, which are the stock EDFs in the PNP version. The only 6 cells I have are 4000 mAh and figured if I went bigger without larger capacity batteries my flight time would just plummet. I read that the motors from either the MIG 29 or the A-10 are a nice upgrade over the F14's stock outrunners, and I'm sure there are other choices. Between my battery situation and still being a little wet behind the ears with larger EDFs with my current largest being my FMS 70mm F-18 and the ones I spend a lot of time flying are my two UMX jets. So even though I feel the need, the need for speed, I figured the stock motors would be good enough without immediately going balls to the wall. Only thing that makes me worry a bit is when you mentioned the large possibility of stalling the Cat out on the stock motors; I didn't realize they were that underpowered and makes me want to rethink my motor choice and just go a little more powerful from the getgo
I wouldn't get the stock motors. They're rather underpowered and heavy. You're better off with the 9 blade motor that comes stock in the Gripen and other new jets.
@@TwoBrosRC I'll check out those ones. I was eyeballing the MIG 29 EDF units to use with this one, but I'd be open to whatever. I just really don't like it that the stockers are so underpowered stalling is a big issue. The other thing that comes to mind with something like the F14 is these planes aren't centerline thrust like many jets are and asymmetrical thrust can really turn into a bad time if it happens when you aren't explicitly wanting it to happen. No idea if the asymmetric thrust would be a huge issue on a scale RC plane like it is the real deal, but just another thing that makes me want some better motors. I know 9 blades are more efficient but I just hate the sound they make, its kind of like a nails on chalkboard thing to my ears. Mine got here yesterday but I've yet to open it and start work on it. Do you happen to know what the maximum size the airframe would allow? Thr two I was eyeballing yesterday were a pair of either 3658-1857KV 12 blades or 3658-1920KV 9 blade (both inrunners). But those are a smidge larger than what it lists so I didn't know how much wiggle room there is, or if its just a "make it fit" deal do some custom modifications to get it to fit.
This seems similar to how turbines fly , having to plan ahead and deal with energy management? Great vid again amazing plane just need a mig28 up front !
Wow! Very cool plane. Will you be able to save the after burners you already have or will you have to buy new for the new motors? Is it pretty normal to upgrade the stock motors, or is that just typically a need for the older models? Thanks for sharing your flights it’s very encouraging for me being new to the hobby. Looking forward to the F-5 also!
Probably. As summer approaches I may cut my content back to once or twice a week because it's getting too damned hot to fly, so I'll be looking for other things to do with the channel.
Big fan of your work. I live not to far away in Fletcher where I have a fairly smooth grass strip where I fly. The EDF’s are awesome but the nose gear just don’t hold up over time in my opinion. I’ve been through several nose gear on my eFlite f4 that I replace before they break and ruin the nose on landings. Do you have any suggestions for jets that are more friendly in the grass?
I'd personally say that you should do what you can to find a paved runway. Jets don't hold up to grass. The mounts for the gear will eventually tear out on most models. If you can't avoid grass, look for jets without cheater holes on the belly and for jets with trailing link gear systems.
The F-14 manual calls for a reverse servos for the one flap and one elevator. Does the Hitec 32085S HS-85MG Metal Gear servo you recommend have to be reversed electronically?
Out of all your jets you have flown which one has been the best to fly? and by best I mean which do you prefer? I know they all excel at different stuff
Dohhh! I finally pulled the trigger this weekend. It'll be here Thursday. Guessing I'll definitely need to upgrade the motors seeing I fly at mile high altitude. . What motor you think the best to replace?
@@TwoBrosRC ohhh yeah! See. I put a 2150kv or something like that by xfly in the 70mm thunderbird. No performance increase. Was told to put the fms motor that comes in the 70mm hornet but keep same fan and housing from the thunderbird. Man! That sucker got unlimited vertical almost at mile high altitude. Then the wimpy 70amp esc went out. Put the 100A from my crashed p51 eflite. Then got to close inverted over the tarmac and landed upside down during the swap meet at my club. Hahaha. But yeah. You should try just the motor swap on the thunderbird and tell me what you think.
Jon I had to find a suitable video to ask this, also knowing that you fly spektrum too... I'm buying the freewing Mig29 with the same set up as this.. if I change the ESC to Avians hooked up to an AR631 will I still get telemetry on my NX10? I'm just not sure if I'll lose the telemetry somewhere along the throttle cables path. Any help is much appreciated. Cheers. Mark 🇬🇧
You will, but I wouldn't run a 631 in a huge jet like that. There's so many places for the antenna to get blanked out that you'll run a huge risk of losing the jet without at least two antennas. I'd personally run a second or third remote receiver in it. You should get telemetry but you'll need a separate BEC running at 5 to 5.5v to avoid burning the retracts out.
@@TwoBrosRC thanks for that. Is there any bec you recommend? I've never installed an additional bec before. I'll have a look at some how to guides on here. Thanks
Have you done the X Fly upgrade yet? I just bought the F 14 and I have the X Fly's at home waiting to be installed for the upgrade. I'm also using the Mig 29 esc's for the power upgrade as well. I have Innovative designs Tempest 120a Sbec esc's full programable waiting just in case the Freewing Mig 29 esc's have issues with the X fly's. Thoughts?
Is the X-fly system drop-in or do I need to shave the housings to make them fit? If so, I'm just going to use a Freewing 9 blade motor because I already have one to use right now.
@@TwoBrosRC I believe they are very close to drop in. @Just Plane Cazy put the FMS V2 Platniums in and it looks like he had to do a little mod, but nothing crazy 🤪. I'll start the install next week with the X fly's and give u an update. Either way it's going to be an awesome mod.😁😁😁
@@TwoBrosRC also Dustin Holloman replied back to my email about the landing gear mod. He said the new shop is almost ready and will get the mod out soon. @Raven Rock Machine
@@TwoBrosRC I've also heard the 9 blade fans turn out to be under powered by one UA-cam videoer and even talked to motion tech and they would be under powered. Your talking about what's in the Mig 29 right?
Hello, I see that when you land you lower all the acceleration and it practically comes gliding, is that right? I have one but I haven't flown it yet and the landing is complicated
Yes, I cut the throttle prior to landing. Carrying thrust on this jet with full span flaps is vital to bringing it down safely, otherwise it will stall more often than not.
@@TwoBrosRC great. Thank you for the quick reply. Torn between this plane and a few others. My edfs currently consist of an Arrows F15, Freewing F35 and an Eflite A10. Any suggestions on my next investment?
@@BigBlue579 We'd personally recommend the F-16 80mm from Horizon, either in the Thunderbird variant or the standard gray version. You can see how it performs if you check our channel. It's one of the most fun scale jets you can fly, and it's incredibly aerobatic if set up correctly.
Ok...... you have to humor my dumbass here for a minute. Are the afterburners truly functioning as they do on a real jet engine? If so, does it suck the fuel at the crazy rate that a real jet engine with afterburner. Also, what about the heat issue? Man it sure looks real as hell. I would love to get into RC aviation. I have always wanted one of those large scale bi-planes that are built extra strong for doing aerobatics. We have a little restaurant that is located on a little airport near me. It's called the fly-in because during the summer one or two planes will fly in for breakfast and then fly back out. Well there is a guy that has a really old Steerman (sp?) bi-plane with a rotary and man it is so cool to watch him fire it up and roll it onto the runway and let the cylinders get warmed up. He then will do a run up with the brakes locked and that thing is wanting to get loose..... you can see it pulsating from that rotary power. When he lets off the brake and in very little wind he is off the ground in about 500-600 feet. He always shows off because he always draws a crowd. He will try and keep it on the pavement as long as possible and then he trys to get as steep of a climb out as possible.
It's an electric jet - you can see us connecting batteries in the beginning. If it was turbine powered you'd see us adding jet fuel or kerosene. The afterburners are simply lights to create the illusion of an afterburner system.
@@TwoBrosRC Thanks..... I had my brain turned off and I never thought about seeing batt's getting plugged in.... I didn't think it was a true turbine and I bet the fan is moooocho' cheaper than a turbine. There is nothing "cheap" about building any type of scale model rather it be cars or planes etc. Some of those guys build some really incredible race cars from scratch. I cannot imagine how many hours you put into this jet. It is really a beautiful jet and all of the fighter jets look really awesome in the sky. Thanks for the reply. Peace
Beautiful… unbelievable how far RC has come in the past 20 years
No joke. I can't wait to see what it'll be like in another 20.
@@TwoBrosRC maybe we will have RC that can transport people
Never used to like Jets until I saw this channel. I really enjoy the touch n Go’s and the landings👌🏾
They're really something else, aren't they? Thanks so much!
Again , thanks for your time filming this hobby 👍
Cool flying and very nice filming. You could see all the details when flying. Top Job.👌
Sweet flight man absolutely love the afterburner
7:41 That sounds awesome!
Nice content man, enjoyed every drop
This guy is the number one UA-camr for planes. He needs way more subscribers
Nice flying man!
Freedom units! I love it!
Awesome flying like always. Thanks for sharing 😊
Just ordered mine, Can’t wait!!!
Enjoy it man. It's a unique thrill.
So far this is the best freewing f-14 video out there. You got a new subscriber here
Thanks Gramps! I've got more content coming on this jet soon.
@@TwoBrosRC what state are you flying in
@@grampskraka6976 North Carolina
@@TwoBrosRC ah ok. Florida here
Born and raised in Orlando. Left after 35 years for my career, otherwise I'd still be down there right now.
Great videography! 👍👍
Brave man deliberately spinning a F-14. That's how we lost Goose!
Fortunately we don't have issues with flameouts on ducted fans!
When Goose died, the f14 A's engine stalled (as like previously), and due to the far spread engines, this caused a differential in thrust balance therefore creating a flat spin at 30 degrees vertically. Sorry to go too technical, I agree, he is very brave.
Excellent flying and narration, Jon. TG2 is a very good movie! 👍🏻
Thanks man! Looking forward to seeing it.
Twin EDFs always sound great .
I did not realise how big that jet is!!
1.5m wingspan - it's a Turbo Timber that weighs like 8x more and is significantly faster.
Man you fly great I have my F-14 tomcat for two years and still haven't flown it I keep crashing my training aircraft on landings best videos on F-14 tomcat I've seen I'm so crazy I want the up grade engine
So I can really go fast straight into the ground. Dude good flying .
Great flying I have this jet, hope to get it set up and flying as well as you do
Very cool and entertaining
Man your videos r great
Also installing the Centerburnners from RC Geek. when you order it has the X fly's as an option.
i enjoy the preflight
Great flying and video. Keep a eye on the foam compression by the mains, it's a weak are of the jet.
For sure, will do. Thanks man.
NIIIIIIIIIIIICE! 😁👍
I bought the ARF Plus version last week, its supposed to be delivered tomorrow so I feel like a kid waiting on Santa. Sadly the PNP was out of stock, and going the ARF route is much more expensive than getting everything bundled in with the PNP, but at least it gives you the freedom of choosing your power system. I have a few 100 and 120 amp ESCs in my spare electronics box but just decided to go with the MIG 29 100A ESC to give myself some leeway for larger motors in the future and also try and keep heat down compared to the stock 80 amp but not go overboard and add unnecessary weight. Just still unsure of my choice for motors.
I went ahead and got two of the 3530-1680kv motors, which are the stock EDFs in the PNP version. The only 6 cells I have are 4000 mAh and figured if I went bigger without larger capacity batteries my flight time would just plummet. I read that the motors from either the MIG 29 or the A-10 are a nice upgrade over the F14's stock outrunners, and I'm sure there are other choices. Between my battery situation and still being a little wet behind the ears with larger EDFs with my current largest being my FMS 70mm F-18 and the ones I spend a lot of time flying are my two UMX jets. So even though I feel the need, the need for speed, I figured the stock motors would be good enough without immediately going balls to the wall. Only thing that makes me worry a bit is when you mentioned the large possibility of stalling the Cat out on the stock motors; I didn't realize they were that underpowered and makes me want to rethink my motor choice and just go a little more powerful from the getgo
I wouldn't get the stock motors. They're rather underpowered and heavy. You're better off with the 9 blade motor that comes stock in the Gripen and other new jets.
@@TwoBrosRC I'll check out those ones. I was eyeballing the MIG 29 EDF units to use with this one, but I'd be open to whatever. I just really don't like it that the stockers are so underpowered stalling is a big issue. The other thing that comes to mind with something like the F14 is these planes aren't centerline thrust like many jets are and asymmetrical thrust can really turn into a bad time if it happens when you aren't explicitly wanting it to happen. No idea if the asymmetric thrust would be a huge issue on a scale RC plane like it is the real deal, but just another thing that makes me want some better motors.
I know 9 blades are more efficient but I just hate the sound they make, its kind of like a nails on chalkboard thing to my ears. Mine got here yesterday but I've yet to open it and start work on it. Do you happen to know what the maximum size the airframe would allow? Thr two I was eyeballing yesterday were a pair of either 3658-1857KV 12 blades or 3658-1920KV 9 blade (both inrunners). But those are a smidge larger than what it lists so I didn't know how much wiggle room there is, or if its just a "make it fit" deal do some custom modifications to get it to fit.
I must get this jet!
Not bad not bad, greatings from germany
👀
Cool man loving your vids ya she needs sum umf lol
This seems similar to how turbines fly , having to plan ahead and deal with energy management?
Great vid again amazing plane just need a mig28 up front !
That landing almost turned into a dog fight!
"For you guys who don't use Freedom units..." LOL!!!
Wow! Very cool plane.
Will you be able to save the after burners you already have or will you have to buy new for the new motors?
Is it pretty normal to upgrade the stock motors, or is that just typically a need for the older models?
Thanks for sharing your flights it’s very encouraging for me being new to the hobby.
Looking forward to the F-5 also!
Not sure, I'm hoping I can reuse them. I've heard that it's common to upgrade this jet's motors. I can see why.
Will you ever do a Q&A?
Probably. As summer approaches I may cut my content back to once or twice a week because it's getting too damned hot to fly, so I'll be looking for other things to do with the channel.
@@TwoBrosRC Be careful don’t fly to close to the sun or your wings will melt.
Big fan of your work. I live not to far away in Fletcher where I have a fairly smooth grass strip where I fly. The EDF’s are awesome but the nose gear just don’t hold up over time in my opinion. I’ve been through several nose gear on my eFlite f4 that I replace before they break and ruin the nose on landings. Do you have any suggestions for jets that are more friendly in the grass?
I'd personally say that you should do what you can to find a paved runway. Jets don't hold up to grass. The mounts for the gear will eventually tear out on most models. If you can't avoid grass, look for jets without cheater holes on the belly and for jets with trailing link gear systems.
First time I've heard an audio report of voltage. Is that an add on or part of the TX/RX brand as an added feature?
Spektrum receivers can report voltage if you're using Spektrum ESCs or using a voltage wire.
The F-14 manual calls for a reverse servos for the one flap and one elevator. Does the Hitec 32085S HS-85MG Metal Gear servo you recommend have to be reversed electronically?
We're only using the HS-85s in the stabilators.
Out of all your jets you have flown which one has been the best to fly? and by best I mean which do you prefer? I know they all excel at different stuff
The Viper 90mm has been the most outstanding jet I've flown to date. There's very little else that comes close to it.
I thought you talked about replacing the elevator servos in one of your F-14 videos. I can't seem to find it. Would you please update me.
Thanks!
Look for Hitec HS-85MG servos in the description.
Can you give details on programming setup as to how you disabled ailerons with wing swept? I'm using IX 14 but cant disable ailerons?
ua-cam.com/video/CIBCqHt9v4o/v-deo.html
Notice a lot of wobble on extended and retracted wing flight. Are you using gyro? If so, is it setup on the knob?
Wobble is the jet encountering turbulence - a gyro dampens that but can't stop it completely.
Dohhh! I finally pulled the trigger this weekend. It'll be here Thursday. Guessing I'll definitely need to upgrade the motors seeing I fly at mile high altitude. . What motor you think the best to replace?
We went with the Freewing 1920kv inrunners, the same ones that go into the Gripen and MiG-29. We're hoping to get the flight recorded this Wednesday.
@@TwoBrosRC ohhh yeah! See. I put a 2150kv or something like that by xfly in the 70mm thunderbird. No performance increase. Was told to put the fms motor that comes in the 70mm hornet but keep same fan and housing from the thunderbird. Man! That sucker got unlimited vertical almost at mile high altitude. Then the wimpy 70amp esc went out. Put the 100A from my crashed p51 eflite. Then got to close inverted over the tarmac and landed upside down during the swap meet at my club. Hahaha. But yeah. You should try just the motor swap on the thunderbird and tell me what you think.
@@joshuaburgess4730 We're pretty happy with the 70mm - remember that we live in NC, and we're not at high altitude. It performs really well here.
Jon I had to find a suitable video to ask this, also knowing that you fly spektrum too... I'm buying the freewing Mig29 with the same set up as this.. if I change the ESC to Avians hooked up to an AR631 will I still get telemetry on my NX10? I'm just not sure if I'll lose the telemetry somewhere along the throttle cables path. Any help is much appreciated. Cheers. Mark 🇬🇧
You will, but I wouldn't run a 631 in a huge jet like that. There's so many places for the antenna to get blanked out that you'll run a huge risk of losing the jet without at least two antennas. I'd personally run a second or third remote receiver in it. You should get telemetry but you'll need a separate BEC running at 5 to 5.5v to avoid burning the retracts out.
@@TwoBrosRC thanks for that. Is there any bec you recommend? I've never installed an additional bec before. I'll have a look at some how to guides on here. Thanks
@@M4rkmcc21 The ZTW ESC that Motion sells works well.
Hi,are those afterburner produce by the turbine or led?Pardon me,still a newbie 😅
LED via www.fiftytwoeightyrc.com
Was the near miss landing pilot errors
Do what?
@@TwoBrosRC
You said you nearly lost it on landing.
Was that a plane fault or pilot fault
Have you done the X Fly upgrade yet? I just bought the F 14 and I have the X Fly's at home waiting to be installed for the upgrade. I'm also using the Mig 29 esc's for the power upgrade as well. I have Innovative designs Tempest 120a Sbec esc's full programable waiting just in case the Freewing Mig 29 esc's have issues with the X fly's. Thoughts?
Is the X-fly system drop-in or do I need to shave the housings to make them fit? If so, I'm just going to use a Freewing 9 blade motor because I already have one to use right now.
@@TwoBrosRC I believe they are very close to drop in. @Just Plane Cazy put the FMS V2 Platniums in and it looks like he had to do a little mod, but nothing crazy 🤪. I'll start the install next week with the X fly's and give u an update. Either way it's going to be an awesome mod.😁😁😁
@@TwoBrosRC also Dustin Holloman replied back to my email about the landing gear mod. He said the new shop is almost ready and will get the mod out soon. @Raven Rock Machine
@@TwoBrosRC he said 2-3weeks.
@@TwoBrosRC I've also heard the 9 blade fans turn out to be under powered by one UA-cam videoer and even talked to motion tech and they would be under powered. Your talking about what's in the Mig 29 right?
Hello, I see that when you land you lower all the acceleration and it practically comes gliding, is that right? I have one but I haven't flown it yet and the landing is complicated
Yes, I cut the throttle prior to landing. Carrying thrust on this jet with full span flaps is vital to bringing it down safely, otherwise it will stall more often than not.
i think not all models can cut all throtle while landing, i have frewing sabre and fms yak 130 cant land like that, become bouncing and roll
That is one of the only few Jets I'm afraid to fly!
Don't be afraid of it - just be aware that it's big and heavy and needs to be treated with care.
How long can you fly on a charge?
Depends on the batteries. The lithium high voltage batteries we use now can get us 5 to 6 minutes per flight.
Do you recommend this to beginners
Absolutely not.
Hi. estimated flight time?
Watch the video and see.
@@TwoBrosRC ı dont speak english🙋♂️
Weight and balance?
14 pounds, and it balances.
Can you fpv it. It will be epic
Probably could.
How many feet would you say this takes to get off the ground? Freewing claims 300’
150ish or less with good batteries.
@@TwoBrosRC great. Thank you for the quick reply. Torn between this plane and a few others. My edfs currently consist of an Arrows F15, Freewing F35 and an Eflite A10. Any suggestions on my next investment?
@@BigBlue579 We'd personally recommend the F-16 80mm from Horizon, either in the Thunderbird variant or the standard gray version. You can see how it performs if you check our channel. It's one of the most fun scale jets you can fly, and it's incredibly aerobatic if set up correctly.
Ok...... you have to humor my dumbass here for a minute. Are the afterburners truly functioning as they do on a real jet engine? If so, does it suck the fuel at the crazy rate that a real jet engine with afterburner. Also, what about the heat issue? Man it sure looks real as hell. I would love to get into RC aviation. I have always wanted one of those large scale bi-planes that are built extra strong for doing aerobatics. We have a little restaurant that is located on a little airport near me. It's called the fly-in because during the summer one or two planes will fly in for breakfast and then fly back out. Well there is a guy that has a really old Steerman (sp?) bi-plane with a rotary and man it is so cool to watch him fire it up and roll it onto the runway and let the cylinders get warmed up. He then will do a run up with the brakes locked and that thing is wanting to get loose..... you can see it pulsating from that rotary power. When he lets off the brake and in very little wind he is off the ground in about 500-600 feet. He always shows off because he always draws a crowd. He will try and keep it on the pavement as long as possible and then he trys to get as steep of a climb out as possible.
It's an electric jet - you can see us connecting batteries in the beginning. If it was turbine powered you'd see us adding jet fuel or kerosene. The afterburners are simply lights to create the illusion of an afterburner system.
@@TwoBrosRC Thanks..... I had my brain turned off and I never thought about seeing batt's getting plugged in.... I didn't think it was a true turbine and I bet the fan is moooocho' cheaper than a turbine. There is nothing "cheap" about building any type of scale model rather it be cars or planes etc. Some of those guys build some really incredible race cars from scratch. I cannot imagine how many hours you put into this jet.
It is really a beautiful jet and all of the fighter jets look really awesome in the sky. Thanks for the reply.
Peace
Split the throttles lmao jk jk
"freedom units"??? Like freedom from a world of science that standardises metrics and avoid space shuttle disasters?
Jokes don't usually sit well with you, eh?
you are pushing your luck reducing power and retracting flaps just after lift off while pulling elevator
Not with the thrust to weight ratio I've got.