I think you said that the ‘Best Wheel’ was the Logitech G Pro wheel because of the True Force feature. However, I believe that Fanatec has some wheels (like the Formula V2.5 & V2.5X) that include vibration motors to make up to a similar feature.
had the g29 had it modded with the shifters and the brake was modded aswell got the gt dd pro and havent looked back in my mind was night and day difference have not tried logitechs gpro but the dd pro 8nm is strong enough for most people in my opinion i know was just enough for myself lv it got the mcclaren gt3 wheel and csw2.5
I haven't tried a Fanatec system but the G pro wheel/pedals are great. I was looking at Fanatec but after converting the costs to my currency, taxes/import fee's and delivery charges it was too expensive for me. I bought the G Pro wheel / pedal combo that was offered. Coming from a G29 it's a massive upgrade. No regrets. My son has the G29 now. It's six years old and still works fine. Hope the quality continues.
Either way you can’t really go wrong really they are all quite good I personally prefer the Fanatec wheels as it’s the eco system that I’ve been in for quite a while but the logi does look like a good solid unit enjoy
I also went with the Logitech. It's my first dd wheel and couldn't be happier. The true force is terrible though. I'm really shocked that so many reviewers keep saying that it's a game changer. It feels weird and unnatural. It really just gets in the way of the rest of the ffb outputs. Please stop calling it a game changer. The only thing that changes is that I turn it off. As for price , none of the reviewers tell anyone that if you buy the wheel and pedals together, you get a discount on the pedals. They're discounted by 90 something US dollars. I'm happy with my purchase. I've been using Logitech since the 2000s so I'm sure I'm biased, but I wanted something that I knew would just work. My G25 and G29 put in a lot of work without any issues and would still be chopping away if they weren't in the closet now. I'm hoping I get the same from the pro.
I’ve been using the Logitech pro wheel and pedals. This wheel is incredible. I love the true force. The pedals feel great as well. I was able to get an additional discount on the wheel and pedals using a Logitech promo code. Loving it so far. Being able to change wheel settings on the fly via the wheel base is incredible as well.
I got the Logidays £50 extra discount paid total for wheel and pedals £1212.48p it's big solid and works just fine on my sturdy desk 2 lumps of blue tac keeps the pedals firm and cushioned to my skirtng board so I am loving my G Pro so far.
You're not supposed to use them at full power, you can see the wheel shaking the frame and this is not at all comfortable or nice to drive with, it will be clipping the force feedback in the corners
@@BoosiveFPV bro what r u talking abt, ffb has nothing to do with the rig bro. He’s talking about the reviewer turning the ffb too high making it clip/oscillate like crazy. If the ffb is turned to an appropriate level, the rig, especially an 8020 aluminium profile rig, shouldn’t shake at all.
@@colinwu7344 your comment barely makes any sense. A 10nm wheel shouldn't cause a 8020 rig to move like that. Which is why the issue looks amplified because of the play in the rig. This rig is advertised to take wheelbases like the simucube pro etc.
Clipping is not related to the total force of the base. It is related to the ammount of FFB the game sends to the base. Wheel bases must be set at maximum ffb level to obtain best response. You have to set ingame ffb to not reach clipping.
I really wanted to grab a GT kit from Fanatec but I struggled to catch any stock for like a year. I only recently discovered Logitech had a new DD wheel out and through it was about 400 bucks more expensive, I picked one up to FINALLY replace my old G29. They are readily available direct from Logitech, which is incredibly refreshing. I figured the Logitech would just be cost premium over Fanatec because of the branding but it's legit as far as build quality. The pedal base and setup + the default wheel are so much better than I expected and IMO look better than the Fanatec. The GT wheel from Fanatec looks like some fisher price toy, and the Logitech wheel shifters are scores better. A shame I still have to use the awful G29 manual shifter though, that thing is hot garbage. Mostly though I like that I can adjust FF settings without having to go into the game settings or ghub. Truforce is better, but I only ever leave it set to about 5 / 100.
Having owned the Csl Dd 8nm, with v3 pedals for over a year. It is a solid setup. I now have the logitech Dd too. My preference is Def the logitech in terms of ffb. The wheel on the logitech itself is okay but not my favourite so hoping more options come. Having said that the fanatec gt7 wheel is terrible, so had to buy a new wheel which is a lot better for sure and many fanatec wheels are nicer than logitechs wheel itself. V3 pedals may have the slight edge over logitech pedals but not by much as do like the logitech pedals too. So in summary I think the logitech is better out the box by a fair margin and has more potential for new wheel etc. But fanatec have more options atm and is more compact. Both are great!
I'm leaning towards getting the Logitech because of the poor customer service history many report with Fanatec. I'm sure either will impress compared to my t150.
I have both wheels: the Fanatec with 8nm and the Logitech pro wheel. The Logitech is a little better in terms of direct drive. With 11nm not only stronger, but also much more differentiated and works out the track details much better. The Logitech is better as a total package, which is of course reflected in the price. That's why I only wanted to go into the comparison to the direct drive now. I find the Tru-Force a bit annoying. At least I have not yet found a suitable wheel settings for a good driving experience. Maybe someone has a tip, or can post times his Wheelsettings for GT7!
I started out with trueforce on, and now I can never turn it off (I tried, it feels very bland). It gives soooo much information. I know exactly where the limit is for the tyres thanks to true force. I guess it's one of those new technologies where everyone hates the new weird feeling at first, but eventually, it becomes the norm once you get used to it. So I get what you're saying but I would also suggest that you try to get used to it. Now, sometimes, when leading I will intentionally kick out the car's back in hairpins because the G Pro gives me so much confidence.
ive got the fanatec gt DD pro but i upgraded the pedals - this system for people on a budget is fantastic !! add the fact you can add a handbrake or a sequential shifter to the wheel base and run it through one usb port to your pc is a massive bonus -
true force on logitechlook very important to obtain perfect little details .... this is part of the wheel and an amazing game changer that logitech bring on the table. they don't just jump in DD world ! they jump in with inovation that can make it to an other world !! i love it !
Having just upgraded to fanatec 8nm , couple things might help you guys . First wheel is truly amazing and load cell upgrade is pure quality . However I had massive problems with load cell brake . It was registering me pressing on pedal even though my foot not on brake , tried all the dead zone calibration etc . Still no joy. One of the main things with fanatec is customer service. It's truly frustrating and shocking .they don't answer or address any issue . Literally no response for 10 days or more. I really love fanatec but soon as you get an issue and need to speak to customer care you are on your own . Worst customer care I've ever experienced. Great product but in my opinion I'd avoid this company like the plague , hopefully you guys who go logitech with experience better customer service
I bought the r5 from moza racing.the steering starting to disconect randomly.i contacted them and imediatly send me a new one.customer service is important and moza provide.i was very worried cause i am in greece and far away from china.but they realy do support.
thats why logitech is by far a better choice no matter what . trueforce unique addition to effect ad feedback + amazing SAV and quality / my G25 is still what i use today since so many years that i can not even count ! i put it on floor ad everywhere and rock solid ! logitech over anything in my opinion
@@DonVincenzooGame hahah if you know what true force is why do you think its so unique? its just a gimmick. like turning vibrate on your controller on. if you want higher detail from the game get a buttkicker, i just got mine a few months back and itll make you faster immediately if used correctly. also i havent had the chance to use the logi DD, but i love my fanatec. direct drive is great but i cannot wait to see the good ol logitech reliability kick in. they should stick to making mice as thats the only thing of quality they can seem to produce. ive had their headsets, a g920, many, many of their mice and the mice are the only thing that last w out issue. everyone who has a g920 know if you crash hard, or whip the wheel too hard drifting it comes uncalibrated, sometimes forcing you to restart your pc. its infuriating. not sure why so many try to back it up. my g920 lasted 4 years (from brand new) until the wiring from the bases pcb to the rims pcb got snipped. they let the wires turn the whole 900 degrees WITH THE RIM WTF. its such a stupid design.
Looks like the Logitech G wins this head to head comparison because of the high quality true force feature. It's a fascinating performance comparison and in the beginning, i thought the seasoned Fanatec would win out. like 345
@@SSmallwood It's only a gimmick to people who won't benefit from it. If you're using the wheel for casual racing games then yea, true force won't do you much good. If you're using the wheel to do some actual sim racing and want to improve your lap times, having physical feedback of when your tires are slipping in the corners or on the brakes is a massive advantage.
@@thecow8824 lol if you cant feel when your tires are scrubbing from the wheel itself then the gimmick of truforce isnt going to help you any. ffs im on a csl elite thats coming up on a decade old and feel front end scrub no problem. trueforce is a gimmick.
I found a very useful household item to protect the pins and connectors on the G PRO base it's your average spray can lid ie body spray can furniture polish can it was not hard to find a perfect fit you may have a choice of different colour lids lying around will keep your pins ect safe.
I have a T-GT II, if i were to buy would be the G PRO by TRue Force. I've already tried a DD PRO but I miss the T-FDB, whether it's fake, lose detail or whatever, the immersion in Gran Turismo is another level. Maybe buy it when the price of the G PRO with pedals goes down.
I went from the logitech G25 to the T-GT2 and was devastated by the notchyness of it- it's terrible. Never been happy with it so I ordered the Gpro today. Never did or will get to try the T-FDB though. Pretty stupid that it was only for GT.
I have both. The DD pro's wheel is cheap and you notice that after hours of racing. The steering wheel lining crumbles and I am already working on my second wheel but it is just as bad. And the aftermarked sale is not their best side either. The Logitech base is big but it doesn't bother me. The pedals are good, the steering wheel is good and the treuforce also works well with the FFB. And the compability with non-racing games is also fine. Just try to get the DDpro decent with Snowrunner, it won't work because the screen keeps spinning. I am now happily playing with the Logitech and am going to sell the DD pro. Hopefully Logitech will come out with a formula wheel soon. I think most people are negative about Logitech because it's Logitech. Most are hyped by Fanatec but forget that Fanatec is also just a relatively entry-level brand.
I love the stiffness on the fanatic lc, it’s an instant pressure response. If there were any more travel I’d probably be more inclined to lock up more.
I’m currently using a Fanatic DDpro with Shifter & Handbrake. Only playing on console for me the biggest plus is both PS & Xbox/PC compatibility. I have a NLR HF8 pad for haptic feedback all for less than the Logitech set up. They definitely need to lower their prices to be more competitive 🤔
@JWalker379 yes, I'm using gt dd pro ps5 gt7 with nlr hf8 thru simhub for real-time live haptic feedback. It's awesome with vr2. The immersion hf8 gives is incredible with all the options.
@@PageCrowes I need to look at running the HF8 through sim hub. I’m currently using sound only through a DAC. I use Sim Tools for my traction loss motion system in GT7. So I’m already running telemetry on PC 🤔
I have the Fanatec DD Pro 8nm, V2.5 formula wheel with V3 pedals (mod to 2 pedals) on my reinforced Playseat Challenge. Love it. I play ACC, GT7 and F1 on Ps5
I have a question Bro, I have a CSl Elite hub and ClubSport Pedals V3 (CSP_V3) setup with the playstation wheel ..I assumed everything should work with the PS5 but what's crazy is everything lights up even seeing the speed on top of the steering wheel...not understanding how I can't steer the cars, like I can do it from the duelsense but I can't figure why it's not working out ..I even the peddles are not connecting any ideas on what you think I should do ? I would love to have the DD Pro but my setup is practically new. I just haven't been using it as much..
@@blastu2fool Hey, not sure what you mean with Elite hub? But, the DD Pro works perfect on the Ps5 and V3 pedals, no issue on this side. I dont know if you have different compatibility options on your base/wheel, as I do have on the DD Pro. I have to put it on "blue" light to use it on Ps5, otherwise "purple" for games like F1 2021, as the DD Pro does not support the DD Pro native, so purple light is compatibility mode on the DD Pro. If I can help in some way, let me know
@@blastu2fool 1 more thing, for me to have the DD Pro be reconise on the Ps5 everytime, I have to first press the "PS" button on the wheel. Just like your Dualsense controller. Do you do that?
@giogamer4825 I had sent you a response awhile ago saying I was trying to avoid buying the DD Pro because I have the CSL Elite but I think I may have to pull the trigger ...the thing really didn't use my set up as much so going to buy dd pro at 600 is not the ideal thing at the moment...as yo your question about Ps button for a start up i have to try it and see what happens
Had some bad recent experience with Fanatec customer service. Went with the Logi Pro wheel and i love it! The FF feeling is just so good and detailed. And i love they went with hard leather on the rim. Now i dont have to wear gloves to not wear it out like alcantera rims.
@@Bobbarker23455 i had a hardly used csl pedal set v1 (with potentiometers). The potentiometers have a habit of breaking down. I wanted to order a couple from them so i would be safe for a while (and save on shipping €10 and handling €10 costs). But instead Fanatec insisted i ordered just one every time. Screw that.
@@Bobbarker23455 lol why? I had a faulty potentiometer after hardly using the pedals. So it is only logical to order some spares for the inevitable (and save money like i said). You sound like a Fanatec fanboy to me.
Man, that rig they show in the video looks rickety as heck. First get this. Playseat Trophy - Logitech G Edition...this thing is sturdy and doesnt rock left and right and all over like what is shown in the video. Plus..it's 33 pounds..not 100, and you can slide it around to move it out of the way. I live in a 900 sqft appartment, and this is super convenient. It's a genius design and never shakes or falters. Then..... I ordered the DD Pro GT from Fanatec....first problem.....even though it was in stock...I didn't get it for 3 weeks.....sent a dispute...etc. etc. whatever. But I can tell you, i got the Logitech DD Pro for not wanting to wait....this is the sweetest experience I have had in a racing wheel. I am so satisfied with its performance that i would go as far as to say, that if this is your first wheel or even your first in its price range...there is no way you could be disappointed. It made me add VR2 for GT7, and I tell you, this is like taking a vacation from your world and transporting you to a real life like race situation. I haven't even touched the settings...out of the box, this thing feels life-like. I love it. With the added VR...it's just on a level I cannot say enough about. Those 'fights for first' are really gonna kick your ass!
Ordered the g pro over moza r12, Logitech is a complete package and it feels awesome. I do feel the 11 nm of torque is nice to have and sometimes I have to dial it down on certain cars so imo, the Logitech true force feedback coupled with their high quality pedals and wheel make it a perfect match for me. I don’t care so much for a variety of wheels but perhaps you do. I think the g pro wheel is awesome with the quick release and the magnetic shifters 😊
If you turned off trueforce are you really getting a fair comparison? Trueforce is part of the appeal of that wheel...its a big feature....its a huge advantage for the wheel in comparison
I am in a predicament where I feel like my logical step would be to go Fanatec as I already am using a mash up of Fanatec V3 Pedals, Fanatec Shifter, but a rather old school Thrustmaster T500RS wheelbase with all of it's belt driven notchiness. So I should probably get a fanatec DD wheelbase and wheel. That way I could just plug all my gear into the wheelbase and only have to worry about the single connection to my PC for my regualr sim mracing titles (AC, ACC and Automobilista 2)however I do plan on getting a Ps5 for gran turismo 7 also which is the next part of my predicament. I hate dealing with Fanatec when things go wrong, and it takes ever so long to get the products I want from them in my country. And they really do love to hammer the absolute crap out of us with shipping costs. I really love my H-shifter and the V3 Fanatec pedals are just much better pedals in general than the ones Logitech provide according to most reviewers I have checked out. So switching to Logitech I would lose the shifter and have to solely use paddle shifters on GT7 which takes a lot away from the experience if you are driving cars that have H-Shifter in real life (which I just have always found much more fun to drive with) So I dunno, If Logitech brought out a really nice H-Shifter then I would probably be like f*ck it, sell all my gear and just go all out Logitech because that Trueforce really does sound like a game changer according to all the reviews I have seen. but right now, it does seem that for me and my current situation, Fanatec would make the most sense and it kinda pains me.
Thanks for sharing your experience with Fanatec I'd say hang on until the end of the year. I recon Logitech will introduce some new stuff by then if they don't go for the Fanatec route. I really do wish Logitech introduced more accessories early on just would have made it easier for console gamers to choose.
@@GeekStreet So with AC2 being due for release in 2024 what sort of deals do you see coming up from Logitech, Fanatec etc. in terms of good prices with current offers as well as new wheels perhaps cuz I´m thinking on holding out on buying something new until then.
@@jeffreybankers3988 thanks for your comment man, yeah I have seen that Truforce is considered terrible in pretty much every game/Sim...other than gt7 where apparently it is implemented and supported very well in that title. But it's not a huge draw for me as I am primarily a PC Sim racer. I just love having the ability to use the wheel on console if need be. My best bet at this stage is the fanatec DD Pro, since I already have fanatec pedals, and shifter.
Yeah what a predicament, I’ll tell you what I would do but just my opinion ok. I would sale all my fanatic and go all out with logic tech. Why? Bc you want to play with or on something that your going to be the most happy and satisfied with. Plus your only goin yo spend that money once, after all is said and done and bought 😂 your going to feel like a champ playing on something you truly wanted. Go with your gut felling even if it’s goin to cost you more money F it you only live once right. I’m going all Logictech; yeah I think it’s to expensive but F it I’m just goin to save up for it little by little than Bam I will have it ohhh yeah.
Great video! But I have to say 2 things: 1) The Fanatec GT DD Pro (and the CSL DD) can not be mounted on the front! Just side mounting or the base. 2) The Trackracer TR120 cockpit looks great and you state as it has "zero flex", but at 7m41s with Fanatec and at 7m50s with Logitech, we can see the base and the aluminium profiles going sideways. Why is this aluminium profile cockpit having so much flex?
The cockpit was previously dismantled and re-assembled but I didnt fully tighen the the bars holding the wheel mount at the sides and only realised a few weeks later hence the movement
I have the G Pro for PS5 and I think it's really good - HOWEVER, it's getting closer to Forza 8 release and we still haven't had a single word about a replacement wheel for it! I plan to play that on Xbox. I tried to talk to Logitech on several occasions but they show absolutely no interest in easing this issue. They won't even confirm it will be more wheels as of end of March 2023. This is insane if you ask me and I'm gonna jump to Fanatec if nothing happens this spring. I would assume they would release a McLaren F1 wheel due to their collaboration but not a single word there either. Frustrating Logitech, frustrating. This on top of super poor customer support, and straight up lies about their delivery date on page.
It is now October 2023 and I am undecided and I have been reaching out to Logitech about any plans for new wheels, shifter, etc. I am getting absolutely no where - total silence.
So... I am looking to upgrade my G29. Maybe Logitech base/wheel and keep the gear shift plus the Logitech G Racing adapter to keep my old pedals and shifter for now. way cheaper than change to a Fanatec system.
I’ve banked on the Logitech g pro wheel under the assumption that it’ll eventually get a shifter and perhaps an e-brake. Also bought the next level gaming GTElite rig with a chair
How does the G pro compare to the Moza R16 or Simucube 2? I know different price points, but same ball park? I just got the g pro as a first serious wheelbase and love it, but wondering if I made the right choice. I use it at 11 and wouldn’t mind just a bit more, plus it’s so limited with wheels. Thanks
I prefer the logitech and I'll let you know why. Having previously owned a simucibe Pro 2 I always found 14nm was my preferred strength. I would turn down the ffb in games as it would be to strong at that nm. However the dynamic range was just better, like weight transfer etc. Also having owned in the past a csl dd, I liked it but found the 8nm to low comparing to the sc2 Pro. Maybe not a fair comparison. Now going on to the logitech that I currently have. I like my bumps to be more dampaned so always ran every base with high filters to make the bumps less abrupt but would also lose some effects as a downside. What I have found logitech does super well is have that filtered feeling by changing settings and then with true force, having the nice bumps too. So after some testing I actually prefer the logitech over the sc2, which Iam surprised about as I thought it would be more on par with a csl dd. Having said all that I think each wheel can suit each individual differently. So the best wheel is what suits you :)
@@FreakCanal I had a SC2 for about 2 years I certainly do know how to set it up for what felt best for me. It is a really great base, I just prefer the Logitech with the statements I mentioned above. You don't have to agree and imagine you have never tried the Logitech for a long period of time? Which is okay as it's all subjective but certainly not wrong from my perspective.
Anyone bought the Logitech and experienced a horrible ship time? I placed an order over a week ago and the items have not shipped yet. They also don’t know when my items will ship. Their customer service personnel are very polite, but so far all I get is “your order is approved and being processed, everything is in stock but being processed “.
I am a Fanatec owner and own the GT DD pro, boost kit, load cell and shiter. Exact one in the video. I cannot recommend Fanatec. The shifter has a common mis shifter problem. The load cell pedal stop working after 9 months. Updated: Both shifter and load cell pedal went back to Fanatec for repair and working at the moment. Now the Wheel starting to have problem with PS5, which will disconnect very freqrently. Sometime every 2 seconds. I have done the fanatec 're-seating' as per their video but same problem would still occur. Having 1 deflective product is unlucky, 2 is a coincident, 3 is consistent. That is saying something about Fanatec product.
If you buy both logitech pro wheels and pedals you get $100 discount and free shipping if you're in the lower 48 states. So for $200 more than the fanatec (figuring in shipping) you get adjustable pedals and true force not to mention a stronger servo. I was sold on the fanatec until I saw how everyone was raving about trueforce. Logitech pro will be coming to my house in the near future.
My G27 (bought in 2015) is in death throes, so I'm looking at DDs. I advise people on camera purchases, and your review showed the pros and cons clearly! I am waiting on a real estate transaction, then I can jump into the DD ocean. I like the idea of the different wheels..Fanatec is looking good
Since im not planning to spend a fortune, logitech g pro is the best option. If i went with fanatec, i might be tempted to get other wheels and upgrades. I feel like with fanatec you will pay a little less now but you will be paying more at the end. Also, true force sounds very interesting to me since i have a buttkicker and enjoys it alot, having a butt kicker device for the wheel is such a bonus. To save some money, i plan to skip the logitech pedal and use my current g27 pedal instead since it was upgraded with truebrake mod giving it a loadcell feel already.
I’m thinking to just get the wheel and use my old g29 pedal. So how is your experience using the wheel + d27 pedal? Is it annoying to set up with the adapter?
@@hoihoi13 i found a used csw 2.5 very happy i didnt spend so much but the upgrade feels amazing compare to g27. i didnt need an adaptor, i just keep the g27 usb plugged into the pc you dont even need the power supply and the wheel still works just no force feedback. the g27 pedal and shifter works flawlessly with csw 2.5.
I'm looking into adding at least two bass shakers to my rig that I use with the console but I don't know which amp to get. Do you have any recommendations?
Great review. Helped me to make up my mind to order a logitech cause I've been waiting weeks for the fantec I ordered to even ship and it was in stock when I placed the order. Of course no way to get in contact with fanatec, so whenever they decide to ship it I'm just going to ship it right back. Logitech will be here in two days. I'm looking forward to trying that thrust feedback. Thanks.
@@BenFilley 18 ftlb is more than enough to snap your wrist if you suddenly hit a wall and your not ready for it. Just like how a 30 mph car crash can cause a concussion, maybe you should go back to school and learn some basic human anatomy.
@@dbzcollector9963 maybe you should try turning a wrench sometime. My smalles torque wrench holds 190ftlb and I use it all day long. 18ftlb is nothing. Spaghetti wrists.
"best wheel" that rig had some play in it compared to the f-gt elite ? ive upgrade my dd pro wheel to magnetic shifters for about 20.00 dollars , i also have the metal fanatec pedal covers over the factory plastic ones , also added a 3rd party parts springs & bushes to the load cell & throttle pedal which i feel made my csl pedals as good as any on the market , i have the 8nm boost kit , normally set at half in the in game settings , i find if u have the settings set to high or pedals to stiff , u will fatigue to quickly & reduce ur overall race lengths & gaming sessions , good video though which i thought was very fair , both have pros cons , if i was a noob again i would go with fanatec
The the Logitech wheel I had the force feedback on max and the TrueForce and had some play I'm suspecting this could be because I have the rig on wheels. I'm working on a permanent fixed location for the rig where the wheels will be removed so it should interesting to see if that makes a difference.
Hey Geek Street! I think you may need a slight update on this. I just ordered the Pro wheel & pedals & Logitech gave a $88 discount on the set ordered together.
Isn't the Logitec pro wheel and pedals price nearly twice the fanatec kit you tested? For the same price you can get a nicer wheel, pedals, and PS5/Xbox/PC compatibility.
I feel maybe the logitech base should have been compared to the simagic alpha mini! I know this is for consoles but still would make a great comparison. Fanatec has gone downhill big time with their products
just sold my logitech set as ive upgraded to asetek invictor . not sim raced before and only had the logitech a couple of months and cant really feel much difference between the to . think logitech pro are under rated but they need to sort the price out and new wheels for the base. brilliant while i had it tho
True Force in Logitech simply eat exaggerated Fanatec on breakfast easily... You should test this on the real racing SIM games like AC or ACC where Logitech with his brilliant true force surprisingly or not is a mile ahead and far way superior from the Fanatec. GT7 is a simple arcade game and can't give the same or more realistic feelings like ACC which use the potential of the true force that's Fanatec can only dream about.
Would it be a risk to purchase from Fanatek at the moment? Was going to buy a GT DD pro for GT7 but wondering if I’m best going for logitech G Pro instead?
the quick release comparison is hilariously short. I have a CSL DD and the QR fanatec is using is awful. Any review of a Fanatec setup should include the price of upgrading to a metal QR. the plastic QR WILL break with a DD base. It's just a matter of time. You end up purchasing a metal QR either way. I'm not a hater I promise. I love my fanatec gear. It's just not perfect without spending a bit more.
Can we emulate the TrueForce experience just by adjusting settings on the Fanatec? or what kind of changes does the true force does? more power? more level of detail? what really means to activate true force? (please do not answer just because it feels better... I don't know what means that)
Do you have any time spent on the Logitech G Pro and Pedals on IRacing. I'm having all kinds of issues. FFB, RPM LIGHTS. BUTTON MAPPING. All the reviews seem to be done on Grand Turismo. Any help would be much appreciated. I have gotten no response back from Logitech Support for these questions
Hey dude, like I H-H-HATE using damper on wheels as you tend to lose surface details of the road but your wheels are oscillating to such a CRAZY extent 😂😂😂 you gotta chill out! Try using a bit of damper to smoothen out the FFB, that can't be good for the shafts on the wheel.
I have the 8nm CSL DD, upgraded from the old CSL Elite, all with the load cell and pedals, and the fana shifter and handbrake, attached to a frame. I use it almost exclusively for Assetto and drifting, and for that it is a definite improvement over the previous belt driven CSL drive. My drifting improved immediately. It is wary too powerful for a table clamp, and tbh it's too powerful at 100% for a frame. It shakes the entire room when I run off-track.
@@EbNorth I don't use a table clamp, I use a driving frame, and it's too much at 100% ffb for the frame, which is why I know it's way too much for a clamp.
@@EbNorth ...PS the weight of the table would not be the issue I don't think. There's no table stable enough for it, aside from one of those country mansion tables that fifty people sit at. 8nm of torque might not sound like much but it really is.
@@thesprawl2361 this is a ridiculous statement. There’s hundreds of videos of streamers and people using it at full strength on tables and on Riggs with zero issue. You probably need some pads underneath your rig or some thing to keep it quiet there’s no reason for it to be so loud.
@@lukefisher8417 Are they using the same racing frame I use, on the same kind of wooden floor, at 100%? Are they drifting, which involves constant use of left foot braking, with an first gen Fanatec load cell which takes an enormous amount of pressure, and which also which means positioning the frame flush against the nearest solid object because of the force required? Do they have the full 8nm of torque unlocked? If you say yes to all of those things and maintain that no-one has any problems with the scale of the FFB then I am calling either you or them a liar or an idiot.
I went from g29 to fanatec dd pro 5nm with McLaren wheel and hurt my shoulders so can imagine what 11nm would do. if ur looking to just have fun go with fanatec price wise and can play Xbox n PC so why not
I wish there were complete sim-rigs available in the 500-600€ range. I have a G29 and I'm not looking for upgrades that will cost over 1000€ or even just under. I'm a casual racer who is easily 5 secs behind top players racing times in ACC, so I don't really want to have pro gear until I improve several seconds per lap on most tracks.
Pondering between these two. GT DD Pro has a better wheel rotation (Euro Truck Simulator 2) and is more compact for my temporary simrig solution (Playseat Challenge). G Pro has TrueForce and larger wheel size and is more easily available. Many of the racing games I play supports TrueForce, on both PC and PS5.
@@hoihoi13 Neither. Fanatec was out of stock and G Pro too expensive. I did choose Thrustmaster GT-II for 599€ (discount). Well actually 625€ after VAT change. It works with Playseat Challenge and the wheel's features are good, but it feels a little too expensive for what it is. Maybe for 499-550€ it could be recommended.
@@ContentComposer I’m looking at this one too, in mh county it’s actually more expensive than the dd pro can you believe it. How r u liking it anyway? It’s belt drive good enough you think and does it get overheat like the t300?
@@hoihoi13 It does cost 849€ in my country also. Way expensive. I haven't really stress tested it and only used it with GT7. I'm using around 60-70 % torque and have not noticed it to lose power with these settings. I should try some other games too to know how much force experience depends on the wheel and how much it is about the game. If I would have had a working setup, I would have preferred to wait for the Fanatec. Anyway, I've had fun, won races, got near a world record lap time with GT-II and I'm far from a good driver. And I don't think a DD wheel would make me much faster, but it might feel more authentic, who knows.
why is the 1.5k€ wheel the only one out there with a nice real race car looking wheel out of box.. but if you want to use it on a pc and ps5 the gt dd pro is the most practical with the 4 sticks becaus you have 20 buttons alone there to remap
Don't go down that road! I made the mistake once. I came up learning to drive and never use the left foot for braking. I had a clutch as often as not anyway, so wasn't even an option. However, I've come to find that brake left foot, gas right foot is actually the preferred method in sim racing. I'll never be able to undo all that muscle memory, but it's what all the cool kids do now!
So i got a g29 first wheel ive bought dont like it wanna upgrade. I dont play on asphalt though play the new world of outlaws game and would do like rally racing all on ps4 so which would you feel more suitable? Thanks
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Which wheel do you think is better?
Fanatec
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I think you said that the ‘Best Wheel’ was the Logitech G Pro wheel because of the True Force feature. However, I believe that Fanatec has some wheels (like the Formula V2.5 & V2.5X) that include vibration motors to make up to a similar feature.
had the g29 had it modded with the shifters and the brake was modded aswell got the gt dd pro and havent looked back in my mind was night and day difference have not tried logitechs gpro but the dd pro 8nm is strong enough for most people in my opinion i know was just enough for myself lv it got the mcclaren gt3 wheel and csw2.5
@@jeftesantiago honestly that feels nothing like true force.
I haven't tried a Fanatec system but the G pro wheel/pedals are great.
I was looking at Fanatec but after converting the costs to my currency, taxes/import fee's and delivery charges it was too expensive for me. I bought the G Pro wheel / pedal combo that was offered.
Coming from a G29 it's a massive upgrade. No regrets.
My son has the G29 now. It's six years old and still works fine. Hope the quality continues.
Out of interest what would have been the cost of the Fanatec for you?
I’ve had my g27 for almost 13 years! Expect your sons wheel to last him a while. I’m just now upgrading to the g pro!
Either way you can’t really go wrong really they are all quite good I personally prefer the Fanatec wheels as it’s the eco system that I’ve been in for quite a while but the logi does look like a good solid unit enjoy
any DD is a massive improvement from FFB wheel base regardless of the brand
I also went with the Logitech. It's my first dd wheel and couldn't be happier. The true force is terrible though. I'm really shocked that so many reviewers keep saying that it's a game changer. It feels weird and unnatural. It really just gets in the way of the rest of the ffb outputs. Please stop calling it a game changer. The only thing that changes is that I turn it off. As for price , none of the reviewers tell anyone that if you buy the wheel and pedals together, you get a discount on the pedals. They're discounted by 90 something US dollars. I'm happy with my purchase. I've been using Logitech since the 2000s so I'm sure I'm biased, but I wanted something that I knew would just work. My G25 and G29 put in a lot of work without any issues and would still be chopping away if they weren't in the closet now. I'm hoping I get the same from the pro.
I’ve been using the Logitech pro wheel and pedals. This wheel is incredible. I love the true force. The pedals feel great as well. I was able to get an additional discount on the wheel and pedals using a Logitech promo code. Loving it so far. Being able to change wheel settings on the fly via the wheel base is incredible as well.
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I got the Logidays £50 extra discount paid total for wheel and pedals £1212.48p it's big solid and works just fine on my sturdy desk 2 lumps of blue tac keeps the pedals firm and cushioned to my skirtng board so I am loving my G Pro so far.
@@teggsy2165 what is the logidays discount ? how do i get it?
What stand are you using? I just got it but haven't put it up yet
@@MrWhoopwhoop10no it’s just messed up on all base. Just need to turn that crap off
You're not supposed to use them at full power, you can see the wheel shaking the frame and this is not at all comfortable or nice to drive with, it will be clipping the force feedback in the corners
That's more an issue with the cockpit tbh. It doesn't look the most sturdy does it. The Simlab PX1 seems to be the best cockpit.
Tbf, the big green racing line was a giveaway.
@@BoosiveFPV bro what r u talking abt, ffb has nothing to do with the rig bro. He’s talking about the reviewer turning the ffb too high making it clip/oscillate like crazy. If the ffb is turned to an appropriate level, the rig, especially an 8020 aluminium profile rig, shouldn’t shake at all.
@@colinwu7344 your comment barely makes any sense. A 10nm wheel shouldn't cause a 8020 rig to move like that. Which is why the issue looks amplified because of the play in the rig. This rig is advertised to take wheelbases like the simucube pro etc.
Clipping is not related to the total force of the base. It is related to the ammount of FFB the game sends to the base. Wheel bases must be set at maximum ffb level to obtain best response. You have to set ingame ffb to not reach clipping.
I really wanted to grab a GT kit from Fanatec but I struggled to catch any stock for like a year. I only recently discovered Logitech had a new DD wheel out and through it was about 400 bucks more expensive, I picked one up to FINALLY replace my old G29. They are readily available direct from Logitech, which is incredibly refreshing.
I figured the Logitech would just be cost premium over Fanatec because of the branding but it's legit as far as build quality. The pedal base and setup + the default wheel are so much better than I expected and IMO look better than the Fanatec. The GT wheel from Fanatec looks like some fisher price toy, and the Logitech wheel shifters are scores better. A shame I still have to use the awful G29 manual shifter though, that thing is hot garbage.
Mostly though I like that I can adjust FF settings without having to go into the game settings or ghub. Truforce is better, but I only ever leave it set to about 5 / 100.
Having owned the Csl Dd 8nm, with v3 pedals for over a year. It is a solid setup. I now have the logitech Dd too. My preference is Def the logitech in terms of ffb. The wheel on the logitech itself is okay but not my favourite so hoping more options come. Having said that the fanatec gt7 wheel is terrible, so had to buy a new wheel which is a lot better for sure and many fanatec wheels are nicer than logitechs wheel itself. V3 pedals may have the slight edge over logitech pedals but not by much as do like the logitech pedals too. So in summary I think the logitech is better out the box by a fair margin and has more potential for new wheel etc. But fanatec have more options atm and is more compact. Both are great!
So your a greedy bastard? When there is limited stock..
@@Andybarney555 If that is what you think, then sure. I dont expect to change your mindset 😁.
Are you playing on console?
@@nickenyfiken4096 both ps5 and on PC
do you have the hydraulic upgrade for the v3s? or use the pedal vibrators?
I'm leaning towards getting the Logitech because of the poor customer service history many report with Fanatec. I'm sure either will impress compared to my t150.
I have both wheels: the Fanatec with 8nm and the Logitech pro wheel. The Logitech is a little better in terms of direct drive. With 11nm not only stronger, but also much more differentiated and works out the track details much better.
The Logitech is better as a total package, which is of course reflected in the price. That's why I only wanted to go into the comparison to the direct drive now. I find the Tru-Force a bit annoying. At least I have not yet found a suitable wheel settings for a good driving experience. Maybe someone has a tip, or can post times his Wheelsettings for GT7!
I started out with trueforce on, and now I can never turn it off (I tried, it feels very bland). It gives soooo much information. I know exactly where the limit is for the tyres thanks to true force. I guess it's one of those new technologies where everyone hates the new weird feeling at first, but eventually, it becomes the norm once you get used to it. So I get what you're saying but I would also suggest that you try to get used to it. Now, sometimes, when leading I will intentionally kick out the car's back in hairpins because the G Pro gives me so much confidence.
On GT7 set vibration in game to 35 and on the G PRO Trueforce Audio set to 15
ive got the fanatec gt DD pro but i upgraded the pedals - this system for people on a budget is fantastic !! add the fact you can add a handbrake or a sequential shifter to the wheel base and run it through one usb port to your pc is a massive bonus -
true force on logitechlook very important to obtain perfect little details .... this is part of the wheel and an amazing game changer that logitech bring on the table. they don't just jump in DD world ! they jump in with inovation that can make it to an other world !! i love it !
I would really like to thank you for all the help....I am so mixed up with all the choices....THANKS!
Logitech G pro got True Force and this is a game changer. That make this wheel best in the market for PS5 PS VR 2 GT7
Period!
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Having just upgraded to fanatec 8nm , couple things might help you guys . First wheel is truly amazing and load cell upgrade is pure quality . However I had massive problems with load cell brake . It was registering me pressing on pedal even though my foot not on brake , tried all the dead zone calibration etc . Still no joy. One of the main things with fanatec is customer service. It's truly frustrating and shocking .they don't answer or address any issue . Literally no response for 10 days or more. I really love fanatec but soon as you get an issue and need to speak to customer care you are on your own . Worst customer care I've ever experienced. Great product but in my opinion I'd avoid this company like the plague , hopefully you guys who go logitech with experience better customer service
Thanks for sharing your experience
Completely agree. I was over charged and they were like, "oh yeah, nevermind."
I bought the r5 from moza racing.the steering starting to disconect randomly.i contacted them and imediatly send me a new one.customer service is important and moza provide.i was very worried cause i am in greece and far away from china.but they realy do support.
thats why logitech is by far a better choice no matter what . trueforce unique addition to effect ad feedback + amazing SAV and quality / my G25 is still what i use today since so many years that i can not even count ! i put it on floor ad everywhere and rock solid ! logitech over anything in my opinion
@@DonVincenzooGame hahah if you know what true force is why do you think its so unique? its just a gimmick. like turning vibrate on your controller on. if you want higher detail from the game get a buttkicker, i just got mine a few months back and itll make you faster immediately if used correctly.
also i havent had the chance to use the logi DD, but i love my fanatec. direct drive is great but i cannot wait to see the good ol logitech reliability kick in. they should stick to making mice as thats the only thing of quality they can seem to produce. ive had their headsets, a g920, many, many of their mice and the mice are the only thing that last w out issue. everyone who has a g920 know if you crash hard, or whip the wheel too hard drifting it comes uncalibrated, sometimes forcing you to restart your pc. its infuriating. not sure why so many try to back it up. my g920 lasted 4 years (from brand new) until the wiring from the bases pcb to the rims pcb got snipped. they let the wires turn the whole 900 degrees WITH THE RIM WTF. its such a stupid design.
To be honest, they're so similar, you cant go wrong with either
I got the G Pro wheel for $850 and added the CSL Elite V2 pedals. Super happy.
Nice combo!
PC? PS? I am looking to make this combo but to use at PS plataform. GT7.... F1
Looks like the Logitech G wins this head to head comparison because of the high quality true force feature. It's a fascinating performance comparison and in the beginning, i thought the seasoned Fanatec would win out. like 345
is this a joke? true force is a gimmick lol.
@@SSmallwood It's only a gimmick to people who won't benefit from it. If you're using the wheel for casual racing games then yea, true force won't do you much good. If you're using the wheel to do some actual sim racing and want to improve your lap times, having physical feedback of when your tires are slipping in the corners or on the brakes is a massive advantage.
@@thecow8824 lol if you cant feel when your tires are scrubbing from the wheel itself then the gimmick of truforce isnt going to help you any. ffs im on a csl elite thats coming up on a decade old and feel front end scrub no problem. trueforce is a gimmick.
@@BenFilley dude, it’s glaringly obvious your opinion is extremely bias due to the fact that you do not have the ability to experience this. Lol.
@@richpoor146 think what you want. I have 20 years of racing real cars under my belt. Not just pretend ones. It’s a gimmick.
Got the dd pro gt but didn’t liked much the pedals so bought the clubsport v3 inverted with another damper kit added, feels much better
I found a very useful household item to protect the pins and connectors on the G PRO base it's your average spray can lid ie body spray can furniture polish can it was not hard to find a perfect fit you may have a choice of different colour lids lying around will keep your pins ect safe.
I have a T-GT II, if i were to buy would be the G PRO by TRue Force. I've already tried a DD PRO but I miss the T-FDB, whether it's fake, lose detail or whatever, the immersion in Gran Turismo is another level.
Maybe buy it when the price of the G PRO with pedals goes down.
I went from the logitech G25 to the T-GT2 and was devastated by the notchyness of it- it's terrible. Never been happy with it so I ordered the Gpro today. Never did or will get to try the T-FDB though. Pretty stupid that it was only for GT.
I have both. The DD pro's wheel is cheap and you notice that after hours of racing. The steering wheel lining crumbles and I am already working on my second wheel but it is just as bad. And the aftermarked sale is not their best side either.
The Logitech base is big but it doesn't bother me. The pedals are good, the steering wheel is good and the treuforce also works well with the FFB. And the compability with non-racing games is also fine. Just try to get the DDpro decent with Snowrunner, it won't work because the screen keeps spinning.
I am now happily playing with the Logitech and am going to sell the DD pro. Hopefully Logitech will come out with a formula wheel soon.
I think most people are negative about Logitech because it's Logitech. Most are hyped by Fanatec but forget that Fanatec is also just a relatively entry-level brand.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
I love the stiffness on the fanatic lc, it’s an instant pressure response. If there were any more travel I’d probably be more inclined to lock up more.
I’m currently using a Fanatic DDpro with Shifter & Handbrake. Only playing on console for me the biggest plus is both PS & Xbox/PC compatibility. I have a NLR HF8 pad for haptic feedback all for less than the Logitech set up. They definitely need to lower their prices to be more competitive 🤔
Does it work with PS5? I couldn't any info about compatibility. Simhub?
@JWalker379 yes, I'm using gt dd pro ps5 gt7 with nlr hf8 thru simhub for real-time live haptic feedback. It's awesome with vr2. The immersion hf8 gives is incredible with all the options.
@@PageCrowes I need to look at running the HF8 through sim hub. I’m currently using sound only through a DAC. I use Sim Tools for my traction loss motion system in GT7. So I’m already running telemetry on PC 🤔
You're not supposed to front mount the Fanatec GT-DD/CSL DD. Those holes are for acessories like fixed shifting paddles or phone holders.
I have the Fanatec DD Pro 8nm, V2.5 formula wheel with V3 pedals (mod to 2 pedals) on my reinforced Playseat Challenge. Love it. I play ACC, GT7 and F1 on Ps5
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I have a question Bro, I have a CSl Elite hub and ClubSport Pedals V3 (CSP_V3) setup with the playstation wheel ..I assumed everything should work with the PS5 but what's crazy is everything lights up even seeing the speed on top of the steering wheel...not understanding how I can't steer the cars, like I can do it from the duelsense but I can't figure why it's not working out ..I even the peddles are not connecting any ideas on what you think I should do ? I would love to have the DD Pro but my setup is practically new. I just haven't been using it as much..
@@blastu2fool Hey, not sure what you mean with Elite hub? But, the DD Pro works perfect on the Ps5 and V3 pedals, no issue on this side. I dont know if you have different compatibility options on your base/wheel, as I do have on the DD Pro. I have to put it on "blue" light to use it on Ps5, otherwise "purple" for games like F1 2021, as the DD Pro does not support the DD Pro native, so purple light is compatibility mode on the DD Pro. If I can help in some way, let me know
@@blastu2fool 1 more thing, for me to have the DD Pro be reconise on the Ps5 everytime, I have to first press the "PS" button on the wheel. Just like your Dualsense controller. Do you do that?
@giogamer4825 I had sent you a response awhile ago saying I was trying to avoid buying the DD Pro because I have the CSL Elite but I think I may have to pull the trigger ...the thing really didn't use my set up as much so going to buy dd pro at 600 is not the ideal thing at the moment...as yo your question about Ps button for a start up i have to try it and see what happens
Had some bad recent experience with Fanatec customer service. Went with the Logi Pro wheel and i love it! The FF feeling is just so good and detailed. And i love they went with hard leather on the rim. Now i dont have to wear gloves to not wear it out like alcantera rims.
I had great customer service with Fanatec
@@Bobbarker23455 i had a hardly used csl pedal set v1 (with potentiometers). The potentiometers have a habit of breaking down. I wanted to order a couple from them so i would be safe for a while (and save on shipping €10 and handling €10 costs). But instead Fanatec insisted i ordered just one every time. Screw that.
@@RJ-cq8dd seems fishy on your part honestly
@@Bobbarker23455 lol why? I had a faulty potentiometer after hardly using the pedals. So it is only logical to order some spares for the inevitable (and save money like i said). You sound like a Fanatec fanboy to me.
@@Bobbarker23455 Lol.
Man, that rig they show in the video looks rickety as heck. First get this. Playseat Trophy - Logitech G Edition...this thing is sturdy and doesnt rock left and right and all over like what is shown in the video. Plus..it's 33 pounds..not 100, and you can slide it around to move it out of the way. I live in a 900 sqft appartment, and this is super convenient. It's a genius design and never shakes or falters.
Then.....
I ordered the DD Pro GT from Fanatec....first problem.....even though it was in stock...I didn't get it for 3 weeks.....sent a dispute...etc. etc. whatever. But I can tell you, i got the Logitech DD Pro for not wanting to wait....this is the sweetest experience I have had in a racing wheel. I am so satisfied with its performance that i would go as far as to say, that if this is your first wheel or even your first in its price range...there is no way you could be disappointed. It made me add VR2 for GT7, and I tell you, this is like taking a vacation from your world and transporting you to a real life like race situation. I haven't even touched the settings...out of the box, this thing feels life-like. I love it. With the added VR...it's just on a level I cannot say enough about. Those 'fights for first' are really gonna kick your ass!
You csn adjust the load cell at least you used to be able to on fanatec. Just had to get the extra pieces of rubber.
Ordered the g pro over moza r12, Logitech is a complete package and it feels awesome. I do feel the 11 nm of torque is nice to have and sometimes I have to dial it down on certain cars so imo, the Logitech true force feedback coupled with their high quality pedals and wheel make it a perfect match for me. I don’t care so much for a variety of wheels but perhaps you do. I think the g pro wheel is awesome with the quick release and the magnetic shifters 😊
Nice enjoy!
Yeah but theirs no good shifter or a hand break with the g pro?
@@natedagreat6704 honestly I don’t care, I enjoy just the paddles and it’s faster then shifter anyway
So true.
But I'm gagging for a F1 wheel.
@@natedagreat6704truthfully I think people buying the pro probably have a pc and can use other peripherals in tandem with the Logitech over usb
If you turned off trueforce are you really getting a fair comparison? Trueforce is part of the appeal of that wheel...its a big feature....its a huge advantage for the wheel in comparison
I just bought the T300RS. A more priceworthy upgrade to go belt driven from gear driven.
Logitech has recently introduced G racing adapter where you could use shifter and pedals from
Previous generations with G pro wheels.
I am in a predicament where I feel like my logical step would be to go Fanatec as I already am using a mash up of Fanatec V3 Pedals, Fanatec Shifter, but a rather old school Thrustmaster T500RS wheelbase with all of it's belt driven notchiness. So I should probably get a fanatec DD wheelbase and wheel. That way I could just plug all my gear into the wheelbase and only have to worry about the single connection to my PC for my regualr sim mracing titles (AC, ACC and Automobilista 2)however I do plan on getting a Ps5 for gran turismo 7 also which is the next part of my predicament.
I hate dealing with Fanatec when things go wrong, and it takes ever so long to get the products I want from them in my country. And they really do love to hammer the absolute crap out of us with shipping costs. I really love my H-shifter and the V3 Fanatec pedals are just much better pedals in general than the ones Logitech provide according to most reviewers I have checked out.
So switching to Logitech I would lose the shifter and have to solely use paddle shifters on GT7 which takes a lot away from the experience if you are driving cars that have H-Shifter in real life (which I just have always found much more fun to drive with)
So I dunno, If Logitech brought out a really nice H-Shifter then I would probably be like f*ck it, sell all my gear and just go all out Logitech because that Trueforce really does sound like a game changer according to all the reviews I have seen.
but right now, it does seem that for me and my current situation, Fanatec would make the most sense and it kinda pains me.
Thanks for sharing your experience with Fanatec I'd say hang on until the end of the year. I recon Logitech will introduce some new stuff by then if they don't go for the Fanatec route. I really do wish Logitech introduced more accessories early on just would have made it easier for console gamers to choose.
almost all of the issues fanatec has been having has been everything but the wheelbase. so id say go for it.
@@GeekStreet So with AC2 being due for release in 2024 what sort of deals do you see coming up from Logitech, Fanatec etc. in terms of good prices with current offers as well as new wheels perhaps cuz I´m thinking on holding out on buying something new until then.
@@jeffreybankers3988 thanks for your comment man, yeah I have seen that Truforce is considered terrible in pretty much every game/Sim...other than gt7 where apparently it is implemented and supported very well in that title. But it's not a huge draw for me as I am primarily a PC Sim racer. I just love having the ability to use the wheel on console if need be. My best bet at this stage is the fanatec DD Pro, since I already have fanatec pedals, and shifter.
Yeah what a predicament, I’ll tell you what I would do but just my opinion ok. I would sale all my fanatic and go all out with logic tech. Why? Bc you want to play with or on something that your going to be the most happy and satisfied with. Plus your only goin yo spend that money once, after all is said and done and bought 😂 your going to feel like a champ playing on something you truly wanted. Go with your gut felling even if it’s goin to cost you more money F it you only live once right. I’m going all Logictech; yeah I think it’s to expensive but F it I’m just goin to save up for it little by little than Bam I will have it ohhh yeah.
Great video! But I have to say 2 things:
1) The Fanatec GT DD Pro (and the CSL DD) can not be mounted on the front! Just side mounting or the base.
2) The Trackracer TR120 cockpit looks great and you state as it has "zero flex", but at 7m41s with Fanatec and at 7m50s with Logitech, we can see the base and the aluminium profiles going sideways. Why is this aluminium profile cockpit having so much flex?
The cockpit was previously dismantled and re-assembled but I didnt fully tighen the the bars holding the wheel mount at the sides and only realised a few weeks later hence the movement
I have the G Pro for PS5 and I think it's really good - HOWEVER, it's getting closer to Forza 8 release and we still haven't had a single word about a replacement wheel for it! I plan to play that on Xbox. I tried to talk to Logitech on several occasions but they show absolutely no interest in easing this issue. They won't even confirm it will be more wheels as of end of March 2023. This is insane if you ask me and I'm gonna jump to Fanatec if nothing happens this spring. I would assume they would release a McLaren F1 wheel due to their collaboration but not a single word there either. Frustrating Logitech, frustrating. This on top of super poor customer support, and straight up lies about their delivery date on page.
Same as you, but I think they’ll put out a wheel we can swap, and I’m not exactly sure about Forza yet anyway lol.
Get a Brook Ras1ution 2 converter and you’re good
It is now October 2023 and I am undecided and I have been reaching out to Logitech about any plans for new wheels, shifter, etc. I am getting absolutely no where - total silence.
I've spoken to my contacts there and no news on this so far
Argh.
I need an F1 wheel!
Love this unit tho
So... I am looking to upgrade my G29. Maybe Logitech base/wheel and keep the gear shift plus the Logitech G Racing adapter to keep my old pedals and shifter for now. way cheaper than change to a Fanatec system.
I’ve banked on the Logitech g pro wheel under the assumption that it’ll eventually get a shifter and perhaps an e-brake. Also bought the next level gaming GTElite rig with a chair
Nice!
I own them both, also fanatec DD1, moza R9, R16, simucube 2 sport and accuforce v2.
I chose the Logitech Pro over the CSL DD with boost kit any day
How does the G pro compare to the Moza R16 or Simucube 2? I know different price points, but same ball park? I just got the g pro as a first serious wheelbase and love it, but wondering if I made the right choice. I use it at 11 and wouldn’t mind just a bit more, plus it’s so limited with wheels. Thanks
How does the Logitech pro compare with the dd1, I would like to know , please!
Great review. But I’m surprised at the movement in that rig. Not what I expected to see at all.
Thanks, yeah my bad with that I realised 2 weeks some of the bolts on there weren't tight as I'd previously made some adjustments.
I prefer the logitech and I'll let you know why. Having previously owned a simucibe Pro 2 I always found 14nm was my preferred strength. I would turn down the ffb in games as it would be to strong at that nm. However the dynamic range was just better, like weight transfer etc. Also having owned in the past a csl dd, I liked it but found the 8nm to low comparing to the sc2 Pro. Maybe not a fair comparison. Now going on to the logitech that I currently have. I like my bumps to be more dampaned so always ran every base with high filters to make the bumps less abrupt but would also lose some effects as a downside. What I have found logitech does super well is have that filtered feeling by changing settings and then with true force, having the nice bumps too. So after some testing I actually prefer the logitech over the sc2, which Iam surprised about as I thought it would be more on par with a csl dd. Having said all that I think each wheel can suit each individual differently. So the best wheel is what suits you :)
Thanks for sharing your experience and your right different wheels can suit each individual differently.
@Infinity Dave ....Definitively you dont know how to set SC2Pro. What you are saying is just nonsense.
@@FreakCanal I had a SC2 for about 2 years I certainly do know how to set it up for what felt best for me. It is a really great base, I just prefer the Logitech with the statements I mentioned above. You don't have to agree and imagine you have never tried the Logitech for a long period of time? Which is okay as it's all subjective but certainly not wrong from my perspective.
fell the bumper and still having amazing details is exactly what i need ! ty
Do you have any recommended settings?
Anyone bought the Logitech and experienced a horrible ship time?
I placed an order over a week ago and the items have not shipped yet. They also don’t know when my items will ship. Their customer service personnel are very polite, but so far all I get is “your order is approved and being processed, everything is in stock but being processed “.
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Great Video as my DD Pro is on the way. Stepping up from a G920, and T150!
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I am a Fanatec owner and own the GT DD pro, boost kit, load cell and shiter. Exact one in the video. I cannot recommend Fanatec.
The shifter has a common mis shifter problem.
The load cell pedal stop working after 9 months.
Updated:
Both shifter and load cell pedal went back to Fanatec for repair and working at the moment.
Now the Wheel starting to have problem with PS5, which will disconnect very freqrently. Sometime every 2 seconds. I have done the fanatec 're-seating' as per their video but same problem would still occur.
Having 1 deflective product is unlucky,
2 is a coincident,
3 is consistent.
That is saying something about Fanatec product.
Are you still experiencing this issue?
If you buy both logitech pro wheels and pedals you get $100 discount and free shipping if you're in the lower 48 states. So for $200 more than the fanatec (figuring in shipping) you get adjustable pedals and true force not to mention a stronger servo. I was sold on the fanatec until I saw how everyone was raving about trueforce. Logitech pro will be coming to my house in the near future.
Great review. Thank you!
My G27 (bought in 2015) is in death throes, so I'm looking at DDs. I advise people on camera purchases, and your review showed the pros and cons clearly! I am waiting on a real estate transaction, then I can jump into the DD ocean. I like the idea of the different wheels..Fanatec is looking good
Ha! Even a year late, I stand for MOZA wheels. The main reasons are:
- Access;
- Price;
- Extras;
- Variety.
Since im not planning to spend a fortune, logitech g pro is the best option. If i went with fanatec, i might be tempted to get other wheels and upgrades. I feel like with fanatec you will pay a little less now but you will be paying more at the end. Also, true force sounds very interesting to me since i have a buttkicker and enjoys it alot, having a butt kicker device for the wheel is such a bonus. To save some money, i plan to skip the logitech pedal and use my current g27 pedal instead since it was upgraded with truebrake mod giving it a loadcell feel already.
Just take a closer look to the logitech wheel-base conection, close to the fanatec one. More wheels confirmend imo! :D
But the dd pro is cheaper
I’m thinking to just get the wheel and use my old g29 pedal. So how is your experience using the wheel + d27 pedal? Is it annoying to set up with the adapter?
@@hoihoi13 i found a used csw 2.5 very happy i didnt spend so much but the upgrade feels amazing compare to g27. i didnt need an adaptor, i just keep the g27 usb plugged into the pc you dont even need the power supply and the wheel still works just no force feedback. the g27 pedal and shifter works flawlessly with csw 2.5.
I'm looking into adding at least two bass shakers to my rig that I use with the console but I don't know which amp to get. Do you have any recommendations?
I bought the Logitech after waiting months for the fanatec to come back into stock, happy so far!
It’s a real shame fanatec has so many supply chain issues
@@GeekStreet sign of the times.
@@GeekStreet I just hope Logitech bring out more accessories for the pro wheel, hopefully it’s selling well!
@@TeaPea111 yeah pretty sure they will
Great review. Helped me to make up my mind to order a logitech cause I've been waiting weeks for the fantec I ordered to even ship and it was in stock when I placed the order. Of course no way to get in contact with fanatec, so whenever they decide to ship it I'm just going to ship it right back. Logitech will be here in two days. I'm looking forward to trying that thrust feedback. Thanks.
How do you like the pro wheel?
Buying the Logi when it goes on sale,,as I bought the G25 six months after it came out, at first sale-And still use it everyday
Nice review.... just a small point... 1000hz vs how much from the Fanatec?
This makes me feel like my recent purchase for a Fanatec DD2 setup that supports 25nm of force feedback is severe overkill😂😂 can't wait to get it!!
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Those things will snap your wrist if your not careful lol
@@dbzcollector9963 buddy, maybe YOUR wrists, but most peoples wrists arent made of dry spaghetti. its 18 ftlb. thats so little lol.
@@BenFilley 18 ftlb is more than enough to snap your wrist if you suddenly hit a wall and your not ready for it. Just like how a 30 mph car crash can cause a concussion, maybe you should go back to school and learn some basic human anatomy.
@@dbzcollector9963 maybe you should try turning a wrench sometime. My smalles torque wrench holds 190ftlb and I use it all day long. 18ftlb is nothing. Spaghetti wrists.
"best wheel" that rig had some play in it compared to the f-gt elite ? ive upgrade my dd pro wheel to magnetic shifters for about 20.00 dollars , i also have the metal fanatec pedal covers over the factory plastic ones , also added a 3rd party parts springs & bushes to the load cell & throttle pedal which i feel made my csl pedals as good as any on the market , i have the 8nm boost kit , normally set at half in the in game settings , i find if u have the settings set to high or pedals to stiff , u will fatigue to quickly & reduce ur overall race lengths & gaming sessions , good video though which i thought was very fair , both have pros cons , if i was a noob again i would go with fanatec
The the Logitech wheel I had the force feedback on max and the TrueForce and had some play I'm suspecting this could be because I have the rig on wheels. I'm working on a permanent fixed location for the rig where the wheels will be removed so it should interesting to see if that makes a difference.
@@GeekStreet i use wheels aswell on myn, it looked from the video it was moving around thats all , maybe the logitech is just a monster.
@@leighdog5866 yeah the Logitech is a beast 😂
Hey Geek Street! I think you may need a slight update on this. I just ordered the Pro wheel & pedals & Logitech gave a $88 discount on the set ordered together.
Nice enjoy!
@@GeekStreet yeah it will be dedicated to console .. Gran Turismo 7 on PS5 …… maybe ACC down the line
Isn't the Logitec pro wheel and pedals price nearly twice the fanatec kit you tested? For the same price you can get a nicer wheel, pedals, and PS5/Xbox/PC compatibility.
I feel maybe the logitech base should have been compared to the simagic alpha mini! I know this is for consoles but still would make a great comparison. Fanatec has gone downhill big time with their products
Yeah, my next wheel is gonna be a Moza R5(.5?)
just sold my logitech set as ive upgraded to asetek invictor . not sim raced before and only had the logitech a couple of months and cant really feel much difference between the to . think logitech pro are under rated but they need to sort the price out and new wheels for the base. brilliant while i had it tho
True Force in Logitech simply eat exaggerated Fanatec on breakfast easily... You should test this on the real racing SIM games like AC or ACC where Logitech with his brilliant true force surprisingly or not is a mile ahead and far way superior from the Fanatec.
GT7 is a simple arcade game and can't give the same or more realistic feelings like ACC which use the potential of the true force that's Fanatec can only dream about.
I’d be happy with either. I prefer the fanatec.
can we use the logitech g pro wheel with the fanatec pedals cause they are less expensive
Would it be a risk to purchase from Fanatek at the moment? Was going to buy a GT DD pro for GT7 but wondering if I’m best going for logitech G Pro instead?
the quick release comparison is hilariously short. I have a CSL DD and the QR fanatec is using is awful. Any review of a Fanatec setup should include the price of upgrading to a metal QR. the plastic QR WILL break with a DD base. It's just a matter of time. You end up purchasing a metal QR either way.
I'm not a hater I promise. I love my fanatec gear. It's just not perfect without spending a bit more.
Can we emulate the TrueForce experience just by adjusting settings on the Fanatec? or what kind of changes does the true force does? more power? more level of detail? what really means to activate true force? (please do not answer just because it feels better... I don't know what means that)
I'd describe trueforce as more detail, and more coming though in vibration. If you had a simcockpit you could feel this vibrations in the frame.
I went finally for the Logitech PRO.
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Do you have any time spent on the Logitech G Pro and Pedals on IRacing. I'm having all kinds of issues. FFB, RPM LIGHTS. BUTTON MAPPING. All the reviews seem to be done on Grand Turismo. Any help would be much appreciated. I have gotten no response back from Logitech Support for these questions
Have you tried uninstalling the Logitech G Hub app and reinstall and check for firmware updates?
“It has very smooth operation” (saws at wheel uncontrollably) 😂
Good review tho. 👍
What sim is it that you're driving with the logitech? Cheers in advance
Informative video!
Why not compare the Clubsport DD base?
The pricing (with wheel) is the same as the Logitech, force is the same, etc.
It's a closer comparison
Hey dude, like I H-H-HATE using damper on wheels as you tend to lose surface details of the road but your wheels are oscillating to such a CRAZY extent 😂😂😂 you gotta chill out! Try using a bit of damper to smoothen out the FFB, that can't be good for the shafts on the wheel.
I have the 8nm CSL DD, upgraded from the old CSL Elite, all with the load cell and pedals, and the fana shifter and handbrake, attached to a frame.
I use it almost exclusively for Assetto and drifting, and for that it is a definite improvement over the previous belt driven CSL drive. My drifting improved immediately.
It is wary too powerful for a table clamp, and tbh it's too powerful at 100% for a frame. It shakes the entire room when I run off-track.
Is the clamp the issue or the table not being heavy? (Enough)
@@EbNorth I don't use a table clamp, I use a driving frame, and it's too much at 100% ffb for the frame, which is why I know it's way too much for a clamp.
@@EbNorth ...PS the weight of the table would not be the issue I don't think. There's no table stable enough for it, aside from one of those country mansion tables that fifty people sit at. 8nm of torque might not sound like much but it really is.
@@thesprawl2361 this is a ridiculous statement. There’s hundreds of videos of streamers and people using it at full strength on tables and on Riggs with zero issue. You probably need some pads underneath your rig or some thing to keep it quiet there’s no reason for it to be so loud.
@@lukefisher8417 Are they using the same racing frame I use, on the same kind of wooden floor, at 100%? Are they drifting, which involves constant use of left foot braking, with an first gen Fanatec load cell which takes an enormous amount of pressure, and which also which means positioning the frame flush against the nearest solid object because of the force required? Do they have the full 8nm of torque unlocked?
If you say yes to all of those things and maintain that no-one has any problems with the scale of the FFB then I am calling either you or them a liar or an idiot.
Cool review. Could You link those gloves ?
Best wheel?.... haven't bought yet... like the look and reviews of the logitech.
Host; "11 Nm may be a bit much..."
OSW owners; "hold my beer..."
this "trueforce" is very interesting... question is can be implemented for other wheels or is to closed format only for logitech
As far as I'm aware its just Logitech only.
I went from g29 to fanatec dd pro 5nm with McLaren wheel and hurt my shoulders so can imagine what 11nm would do. if ur looking to just have fun go with fanatec price wise and can play Xbox n PC so why not
Great video bro thanks 😊 👍🏻 🙏🏼 👌
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Please tell me what is the best wheel to buy for pc..?
from your video, I can see logitech seems too shaking even on the straight road. seems too strong unnecessary feedback.
@geekstreet
Is your wheel calibration correctly?
Mine is slightly off to the left and it's very annoying... 😅
Yes both mine are calibrated, just connect to a pc and get it done, think you can also do directly from the wheel base
I like the Logitech Pro wheel but it's way too expensive
I wish there were complete sim-rigs available in the 500-600€ range. I have a G29 and I'm not looking for upgrades that will cost over 1000€ or even just under. I'm a casual racer who is easily 5 secs behind top players racing times in ACC, so I don't really want to have pro gear until I improve several seconds per lap on most tracks.
Look at GT omega
Pondering between these two. GT DD Pro has a better wheel rotation (Euro Truck Simulator 2) and is more compact for my temporary simrig solution (Playseat Challenge). G Pro has TrueForce and larger wheel size and is more easily available. Many of the racing games I play supports TrueForce, on both PC and PS5.
Which one you bought finally? I have a playseat challenge too so whether it can handle these wheels play a big factor..
@@hoihoi13 Neither. Fanatec was out of stock and G Pro too expensive. I did choose Thrustmaster GT-II for 599€ (discount). Well actually 625€ after VAT change. It works with Playseat Challenge and the wheel's features are good, but it feels a little too expensive for what it is. Maybe for 499-550€ it could be recommended.
@@ContentComposer I’m looking at this one too, in mh county it’s actually more expensive than the dd pro can you believe it. How r u liking it anyway? It’s belt drive good enough you think and does it get overheat like the t300?
@@hoihoi13 It does cost 849€ in my country also. Way expensive. I haven't really stress tested it and only used it with GT7. I'm using around 60-70 % torque and have not noticed it to lose power with these settings. I should try some other games too to know how much force experience depends on the wheel and how much it is about the game. If I would have had a working setup, I would have preferred to wait for the Fanatec. Anyway, I've had fun, won races, got near a world record lap time with GT-II and I'm far from a good driver. And I don't think a DD wheel would make me much faster, but it might feel more authentic, who knows.
So what's the actual depth of the pro wheel from the desk mount point, backwards? Trying to compare this to the G27 :)
You are overlooking logitec ghub software. It makes it very easy to play and maintain update and custom setting wise.
So if I were to go either route fanatec or Logitech. How do I get any of these two setups to work with both Xbox and ps5, maybe even pc?
Quite a bit of wobble on our steeringwheel for it being mounted on such a massive rig.
The GPro is awesome son
I fucking adore it
why is the 1.5k€ wheel the only one out there with a nice real race car looking wheel out of box.. but if you want to use it on a pc and ps5 the gt dd pro is the most practical with the 4 sticks becaus you have 20 buttons alone there to remap
Need to tweak your settings, getting shaken to pieces down the straights isn't fun
i don't like wheel shaking back and forth even going on straight line. Is that a setting you can adjust on that?
Hey what are the games the g pro works on I play f1, acc, dirt 5 and snow runner
I really love my Fanatec DD pro
Like your video,
Im just curious why you put your left foot on brake pedal?
Don't go down that road! I made the mistake once. I came up learning to drive and never use the left foot for braking. I had a clutch as often as not anyway, so wasn't even an option. However, I've come to find that brake left foot, gas right foot is actually the preferred method in sim racing. I'll never be able to undo all that muscle memory, but it's what all the cool kids do now!
Left foot braking is preferred for racing and drifting
So i got a g29 first wheel ive bought dont like it wanna upgrade. I dont play on asphalt though play the new world of outlaws game and would do like rally racing all on ps4 so which would you feel more suitable? Thanks
Curious are they both plugin play ? Do I need a laptop in any way?
Thanks for the video
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Do logitech sell other steering wheels? I can't find any on their site?
Flex in that rig and wobble is hilarious!! People think these ali rigs are the best...
Why nothing were told about "dead zone"? On common logitech g29 it was a nightmare, I couldn't bare it. Does these wheels has it?