Logitech G923 vs G PRO - Comparison by a PRO Coach
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This is a great comparison video, but not in the intended purpose. Suellio showed a massive difference in immersion by going with a DD. He was so immersed in the pro pedal with more force he couldn't even gather his thoughts. He was able to speak and think way more clearly with the g923. And THAT is why we upgrade to DD. Not necessarily for faster lap times, but to feel so immersed in the vehicle you are in.
I just went from a belt driven base to a DD. There's a bit of a misconception that DD won't make you faster because there's a lack of context when that is said. Over a single lap? No, it very likely will not. Over the course of a full race? Absolutely. Why? Because you minimize your losses from mistakes with the extra feedback, especially if you've driven real cars and feel like there's something missing from the belt/gear driven bases. A mistake on my previous wheel would usually land me sideways or offtrack too often, mistakes with DD are easier to catch, resulting in smaller losses.
Not only the extra information but the passive countersteer you get from having a stronger wheel with a faster response time that will correct the car for you when breaking straight and when oversteering.
What’s it like jumping to dd wheel from belt I have a t248 Thrustmaster it’s my first wheel I am wanting to upgrade soon
My 6nm belt drive base feels the same as a 5nm dd base to me having used both alot.
Actually when I was using the G29 I cut a stress ball and put it inside the spring of the brake pedal and it made a world of difference. It helped a lot because the pedal had a much more progressive feeling and the precision was more "load cell like" but still not quite as precise. I do like a heavier wheel feel so my GT DD pro with boost kit feels perfect.
I kept my G920 and replaced the pedals with the Heusinkveld Ultimate Plus set, and it made a huge difference. Not only the brake , but the throttle is so much more accurate it makes the transitions from brake to throttle so much more smooth. Exits are way more smoother now. And now I’m doing the course and it has helped even more than the equipment. I use a Force Map file to enhance the ffb in iRacing.
I did the same thing. g29 wheel and I added cheap load cell pedals. I have the same thoughts. The brakes are better for sure, and that's why I upgraded the pedals. But surprisingly the throttle is more accurate, too. I wasn't expecting that.
Where did you get your pedals? Us?
oh right so you just spent 1400 euros on pedals but kept the 250 euro steering wheel? sounds legit man,,,,,
@@clippzzorito1420out of your sarcasm, it's legit, no matter if you spend $200 or $2000, a pedal upgrade only on the G29 o G923 is the right way to go, no only due the lack of feeling in the pedals but also due that those pedals tend to fail, potentiometers fail. So instead of spending $300 on an entry level load cell pedals, you go directly to a high-level pedal and then you don't spend money ever again on pedals, also you'll have to get used to a new set of pedals only once. Then you can go to upgrades little by little the rest.
Pedals are way more important@@clippzzorito1420
I’m a decent driver. Competent in the real world. But I’m a complete newby, virgin novice in this SIM world, I’ve been researching for ages, searching here there and everywhere for good info. UA-cam has been a minefield and often contradictory but this is the best video I’ve watched. Very informative. I just can’t wait to get my set up completed so I can get my arse kicked 😂 … I’m going straight for the Pro wheel and pedals as I really want the realism to be there from day one. Cheers for this.
The wheel and the pedals are 100% not limiting anybody going fast themselves, but I think that depends on your setup area and also what you are driving. I got along fine in the mazda, but I was trying to learn the V8 Supercar and sometimes the lack of detail and torque with the very easy to push pedals, you could lose the car before you even felt it and there is just no bringing it back. One of the biggest issues I had with the G29 was the wheel and pedals moving whilst playing(at a desk), the wheel base lock nuts were at the point where if I did them up too much they perma lock and you couldn't undo them and then also if it wasn't tight the wheel would move around even with only 2nm. Same goes for the pedals with those little rubber feet and whatever was on it, Tried numerous things to keep them stable and still eventually they'd slip midrace and you'd loose the car very easy lol. I think with how cheap they are it makes the upgrade paths for other things that help your time quite foggy, for example: A cheap ebay rig with a uncomfortable chair was more expensive than the wheel, pedals and shifter so it was very hard to justify spendng more money just to find consistency
This ABSOLUTELY confirmed what I've been feeling on the G29 for a while now with the braking/pedals. Obviously it isn't all equipment, but it feels like it has gotten more inconsistent with inputs as they have aged after heavy use for the last few years. I think my biggest problem, at least with GT7 is the throttle. The window for input is so narrow.
I feel the same. I'm on PC and mostly use Assetto Corsa. I've had to keep increasing my throttle deadzone due to phantom inputs when I was off-throttle
I'm still rocking my 2004 Logitech Driving Force GT. Pedal upgrade is super important. I upgraded to load cell pedals and I gained a ton of time. Even more time after watching Suellio's videos on trail braking and rotation. The wheel isn't 100% but I was able to get a third place trophy in my iracing league last season against some fierce competition.
Re: Pedals.
With angle sensors (potentiometers or Hall-Effect sensors) you can get (almost) as precise as loadcells (force sensors).
It’ll require an output curve translating the angle position to better align with the force feel, of which the Force Factor within iRacing is just one example.
When using a pedal set’s proprietary software (i.e. Moza Pithouse) or a 3rd party Windows HID “translator” (i.e. Joystick Gremlin) you can change the curve which modifies the raw input (sensor measurement) to output (game input) by multiplying the sensor reading with the customized user curve.
The tricky thing is the setup to get the feel right. That will be much more easy with a loadcell, because there is little to no translation needed.
For a angle sensor based system, you could use a weight scale to measure the force needed for certain angle deflections, used to find the points where 0, 10, 25, 50, 80, 100% force applied lines up to which angle deflection.
Using that data you can craft a output curve that emulates the output of a loadcell pretty closely.
Where I live, the G923 costs 429€... The Fanatec Ready 2 Drive 399€ + shipping... Let that sink in for a moment....
there's also the new Cammus C5 set as well, which is priced to compete against the G923.
I went one better and checked what the comps are in Oz.
Logitech sell the G923 for AU$649 free shipping.
Fanatec offer the Ready 2 Race bundle at AU$639.90 + shipping.
Wow!
Recently started simracing on GT7 and just discovered you. Feels good to have a coach who has in-game experience as well as real life driving!
I don't know if you wrote the book on how to be fast in iRacing or if it's the only realistic one, but all your tips, like fishing for grip, inducing oversteer, and things like this, work like a charm in iRacing. However, they don't seem to apply as well in ACC, GT7, and other simulators. In GT7, for example, it's almost impossible to spin on entry on most cars (and I'm talking about race cars, rear driven, bb towards rear and oversteery setup), and you don't feel the passive countersteer even with the Logitech Pro Wheel. I don't know how Vitor Genz and other influencers said that GT7 is a good simulator. By the way, your content is the best I have found on the internet. It's direct, practical, and it's really transforming my driving skills.
I have been using the G923 for about a year , still expecting to get a good 4-5 years from it ,
the money I could spend on a better wheel are definitely better spent on getting a foldable sim cockpit to replace my desk setup, upgrading from my aging 1660ti GPU (I recently upgraded from a regular 1080p@60 monitor to a 1440p@165hz one) ... and perhaps I might even get a VR headset, as I definitely dont have the money or space for a 3ple monitor setup (that would require me to buy 2 more 1440p165 monitors plus i would need an $1000+ GPU to power all those monitors)
All the while , i can still enjoy driving my G923 , and as you guessed , I dont have the kind of money to spare for iRacing ... my go-to sims are : rFactor2, Assetto Corsa (the original , not ACC because I dont care at all about GT cars) and Automobilista 2
I dont know if playing solo career mode on F1 2020 , F1 22 and Project Cars 2 counts as Sim Racing, but I also do that too...
Yeah , Im not struggling ,but with everything Im intending to buy, iRacing is definitely out of my budget
I had my G29 wheel/pedal for 10 years. Went Pro... night and day difference! Worth it when your ready.
@@V29546 The G Pro + the loadcel pedals is 4 times the price of the G923 though...
My upgrade path: G29 - SimRig - T-LCM - 3dRap for T-LCM, DD, Sprints. The biggest upgrades were the SimRig and 3dRap modded T-LCM, which are like Sprints at 30kg. When I bought DD, immersion went up. When I bought Sprints, I was surprised how similar the brake pedal was to the modded T-LCM. With DD (8nm) wheel, I found out, I can catch slides so much more easily, and you feel suspension (like bottoming out), and limit of the tires. You don't feel these things on G29. On G29 you drive more with your eyes. With DD, you feel all these things. I would say 8nm DD is just a little too weak, you're better off saving a month or two more and buy a stronger wheel.
I also got significantly slower when I switched from the g29 to the Fanatec. I got the G29 wheel in November of 22 and the Fanatec in May of 23 so I'm still very new to the wheel in general. I love the wheel though, it makes it so much more fun.
Hey Suellio, great to see a Brazilian mate having a very successful career virtually and now in real life too! I've been following your videos and rooting for you! Would you consider making a video with the settings you use for your G Pro on GT7 to make it feel as close to real life as possible? I truly enjoy racing GT7 to decompress, but honestly don't know if my settings are right or just super off
So, I have a G923. I could never drive on pedal position alone. Perhaps I should have stuck with it, but I fitted it for the AXC True Brake. It helped massively, but even with that, holding specific pressures I found really hard. That's partly because the resolution is only 255 and the polling is also pretty low. I added the leo bodnar cable which increases resolution to 1024 and doubles polling. While there's no disagreement from me that learning technique and mechanics is going to get you bunch more time, the equipment is a huge factor in that. Even if you know how to trail brake, actually doing it on g9xx pedals is super hard, because there are feet limits of measurement and they aren't updated as frequently. You'll have a much squarer response on these pedals than sone with better sensors, drive electronics, abd software.
I'm using a g920 actually, the precision is really the harder thing to get, but with your vids and the experience I got, I can say this was the year I had the biggest progression ever.
I don't have Iracing but overall I went from the world top15% to the top5%, particularly this month where I had the biggest progression ever (from the top11% to the top5%)
That's a big jump for 1 month! 2024 is your year man keep it up!
@@Zanooz Yeah it's gonna be a mega year
I'd also love to do i racing but i don't think my current pc is up to it. It seems way more demanding in a lot of respects compared to most of the other sims.
I only got into sim racing 8 months ago when i bought a 2nd hand G920. I'm now hooked and have bought a cockpit and I'm just about to purchase a DD bundle with load cell kit although I'm still undecided between fanatec and moza entry DD platforms.
After I've got the rig sorted I'm then gonna look at updating my pc so i can get into i racing, hopefully with either triple monitors or a decent vr system. It's a never ending quest for equipment it seems lol.
@@braveheart4603 what are your pc specs? i have a ryzen 5600 and rx 580 and can get 300 fps
@@user98292 I have the same graphics card. my cpu is i3-6100 CPU @ 3.70GHz with 24gb ram. It was a pc i used to use for office stuff that i'm gonna upgrade but i'm concentrating on my rig first.
I'm not very computer savvy so i don't look forward to that bit lol.
I'm looking into a used G29 as a cheap way into sim racing. This video is giving me hope. You can also have a load cell mod done to the Logitech pedals.
I noticed you were clipping ALOT when using the g pro. I have the same wheel. I try to avoid clipping in IRacing. Do you find it beneficial to have more force and slight clipping with the GPro? Or, was this mostly for demonstration? I would love to know your IRacing in game settings with the gpro wheel. Do you still use linear? Thanks in advance.
I always use the Auto function in iRacing while having the wheelbase at 11Nm. Clipping is only bad when you hit the bar on red for a long duration. But flashing red here and there is totally fine, you're not really losing any detail. Auto in iRacing allows around 2-3% clipping, and especially at nords where you get a lot of kerb strikes and compressions, clipping should happen.
Thank you for taking the time to reply. Much appreciated!
I still have my T300 with the Fanatec CSL Elite Pedals working alongside with my Leo Bodnar adapter. Its still an amazing combo especially with the adapter because of the ease of adjustability on the load cell right off the bat. Eventually I'll get a DD wheel and have my T300 combo as an arcade rig (Initial D Arcade Stage) but for now, my setup will suffice due to how I don't Sim-Race as often anymore.
Gracias por compartir lo que aprendiste en el camino al 1% de verdad me a servido mucho , estoy viviendo uno de los mejores periodos de mi vida en esto de convertirme en un piloto virtual. Muchas gracias y feliz 2024.
Bro's uploading this after I bought the Pro Racing Wheel to this years christmas after watching his review half a year ago.
I have G29 set and yeah Pedal is just... Ugh. But what I did was actually add about 51% of "deadzone", basically a point where you touch the rubber inside the pedal and I made that a start breaking point in GT7 then I press as much as it goes to reach the 100%.
So basically i removed all of the linearity and made it all pressure based even though it's linear potentiometer without modding. It's not perfect but my mind already is already learning the pressure muscle memory and I'm thinking less and less what I'm doing with pedal compared to before where I actually had no clue whether I'm 30% or 50% and it messed up my trail braking. Now at least I can trail brake more consistently.
It's not perfect, there is small amount of travel and there is fuck ton of dead pedal zone (I hold my foot pressed on the pedal and rest it on the rubber where it's still not activating).
I'm thinking of whether I should just do some sort of load cell upgrade kit for G29 pedals or maybe just go straight to G pro pedal with G29 wheel.
I can’t agree more with what is said in this video! The only time I would say an upgrade in hardware is necessary is if you have something like an old old old wheel like a T80, which in my case was what I had and used for 6-8 months until I decided to upgrade, but first it was load cell pedals and then later on it was the csl dd 8nm, the difference was more than night and day but I guess beach’s the T80 only had 180° total rotation and only a rubber band to pull it back to centre but no actual feedback haha and it was a nightmare and I some how managed to get through rookies in IRacing with it
Question to people who have experience with real racing cars, are real cars steering really that heavy? I found the DD’s 5+NM was already too heavy, leat alone 11 NM. Can’t imagine racing drivers doing it all day.
From what i've learnt, better equipment wont make you faster, but it will make you more consistent.
He's a drivers coach. All he was doing is demonstrating the difference between a DD/LC and non
Suelio, whats your opinion on Trueforce? With it configured to with with physics in iRacing, I really don't think it's a gimmick. I feel the road texture and I think it's well with it. Driven some DD abd belt drives without it and find it hard to know from the wheel if you are on grass curb or track. On the 923 its subtle, but its useful as an indicator of where the tyres are. On the G Pro my guess is that it works even better
For those with logi base wheels you can find brake mods to improve the feel.
I used an eraser and felt great and theres also some actual mods that are similar to load cell
I cba do these home brew mods, cutting eraser and what else there is... what I did was actually just remove all the spring based motion until I touch rubber in the pedal (G29). That's where I set the dead zone to and it is about 51% as basically until I hit the rubber I can't feel shit how much I'm braking it's all loosey goosey. So where the rubber begins is where braking activates and I press it as hard until 100% so I kind of am mimmicking load cell pressure braking and it helps a lot. But heck it ain't no damn load cell lol. At least it is helping me build that muscle memory and I can be more consistent.
And i'm stuck on whether I should upgrade G29 brake pedal with load cell or just go straight to G pro pedals... (But it will cost 390 euros as I need to get that adapter for G29 base).
Congratulations for your channel dude! I am loving your content! + 1 subscriber =)
I find my brake on the G923 to really stiff. In the b roll footage you have in the video showing the peddles being pushed it looked really smooth.
dang, I'm going from controller to a 15nm base, wish me luck haha
I don't agree at all with the recomendation of driving in iRacing for most people. For most people who are racing ocasionally, ACC, LMU or even rFactor 2 are much better options. You will get the same quality, if not better in some aspects, with no subsription fees. Only go for iRacing if you are going to spend several hours a week racing online. Otherwise is just a waste of money,
I think a good loadcell with make you faster. Not like secs but 10ths for sure but it will take practice if your not using a loadcell now
its utterly, utterly useless if you don't already know how to trail brake. like you will basically have 0 benefit from LC if you can't utilise its benefits. ive seen a lot of people like you giving the "load cell will make you faster" like its automatic. at best its really misleading for beginners. idk why y'all preach this so much.
@@kingardk2233 its not automatic, everytime you move to a new pedal set you need to learn to use those pedals, which can take a few hours or days.
BUT having had normal thrustmaster pedals, non LC + their LC, there is a big difference, and it can make you more consistent and help with trail braking. Dont use Thrustmaster anymore, but having used a lot of pedals now, i will say that it does help a lot.
I was making this question to my self like a week ago because I have g29 so I think I am ready to buy the fanatec bundle
I am curious…what do you set your brake force setting at in the g pro wheel base? And which elastomers are you using?
So what do you recommend a newbie like me should get i wanna play GT but i wanna experience it with a racing wheel just not sure what to get but also not sure if ill stick with it or use it a few times and let it collect dust
I have one. You can buy a generic load cell to install on this wheel.
If you're installing a load cell on a wheel, you're doing it wrong :P
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Hi Suellio. Can you please let me know the settings that you used for force feedback for G923 at the moment at that video?
The G pro is a great wheel base, I have one but................ it has been over a year and still no addon wheels for it. If I was going to do it again I would have waited for Thrustmaster DD base. All their wheels works on it.... just saying
Wheel diameter is a big difference. Just 27cm on the G29/G923
I knew it was time to upgrade my wheelbase when I was driving the Porsche GT3 on the limit through a few fast corners and having an inconsistent turn-in (since there was a bit of a dead zone in the G920) which caused the 911 to miss the ideal line and spin. Once I upgraded, I made the corner full-throttle 90% of the time instead of 50% haha. It also helps with smoother corner entries since there is no dead zone anymore.
Totally agree that pedals made the biggest difference and technique is much more important than upgrading either though. I actually lost iRating for a couple of weeks after upgrading my pedals too, and then it skyrocketed. It took me almost a month to gain back the lost iRating when I upgraded my wheelbase since I couldn't find settings that sat well with me and made me consistent. Now I can't imagine going back, although I would be faster than before after reading your book. :)
How do you like the playseat trophy? Love the content man you're definitely one of the best on UA-cam for sim racing I've learned a lot from you. Getting a g pro and trophy, coming from a g920 and desk
Bro you'll LOVE the g pro and trophy coming from a desk!
@@SuellioAlmeida awesome I CANNOT wait, I'll be checking the tracking on my packages like a mad man for the next few days lol. I'm ready for direct drive, I'm pretty fast with the g920 and this setup is gonna feel amazing. Thanks for the response, clears up any worries about my purchase 🤘
@@SuellioAlmeida update, it's amazing!!
How much nm do you think you have in the radical and is g pro higher force then that car?
Does It mean that even if i do have a pretty good budget on simracing equipment 17:33 i should first invest in a Logitech g923 , train , learn and take my level , driving technique on a good level and then invest in expensive equipment , because im also starting with simracing
It is more fun with more expensive equipment. So go for it if you have the funds and want the fun.
Assuming you are on PC, I'd recommend spending a little more to buy a direct drive and get the Moza R3 bundle. Have more to spend? Consider the Moza R5 bundle. Moza is arguably the best bang for the buck today. Another reason is if you want a GT or formula experience they have different wheels along with many other accessories to customize your sim experience. First upgrade I would get in any case is load cell pedals. They increase consistency during braking which is the easiest place to find time.
@@JonRacesCars I can spend around 10000 bucks because I've got daddy's money and I want to do open wheel racing on iracing simulator
No, if you want good equipment, go for it!
His main point is that if you have the best equipment, it is not necessarily going to make you faster. Because technique is pretty similar across equipment. And technique matters most
@@_illi2rate If 10K is your budget and you know you'll stay with sim racing then buy once, cry once. Don't waste money or time with a G923. My setup is about 10K. 49" ultrawide, P1X, Simucube 2 Pro, GSI wheel. For me it was all about the immersion that good stuff offered.
Do you have your settings for the DD? I'm having trouble deciding.
Hello, loved your video! But i have an problem, my g29 brake pedal has a big dead zone in the beginning of travel and in the end. So when you SSU that i skuld be able to brake to 1%, 2% and so on, so its hard beucase i Might think om braking 25% but im relly just costing. What do you recomend i do to fix this?
What black sock footwear were you wearing?
Im using the g923 and waiting for my DD to finally arrive. My biggest issue after all is losing grip on corner exit on slow to medium corners. Was wondering if I will be able to feel the grip better.
Turn down the force feedback a bit, ur ffb is clipping
I have a friend I know in gt7 in the top splits using the controller gyro settings
i think that g920 is great beacouse i have it. But when i tried the g pro i think its good but bad for its HIGH PRICE. i think other wheels ofer more witch lower cost
I am using a g29, so the first upgrade should be better pedals?
Do you have any recommendations for filter and damper in iRacing and AC1? iRacing I’ve mostly gotten to feel great but I am struggling to find settings that work well in AC1.
DD wheel BTW.
Please don't tell dummy things that it's no difference between dd and budget wheels. After changing to DD I improved all circuits, the cars feel and reacting much better as cars from another league, pushing don't take cars from the road, cars are much stable. So don't say if you are good it's no matter what kind of gear you have.
Who knows,were did disappear Viperconcept?😮
In this video, on your G Pro, did you set the brake force to 100? By default it’s 30
I use 80!
I would Love for you to jump on the new Rfactor2 Online racing and see what you think. I have been on a real track a hand full of times and I played iracing for a year but now I find rf2 way more enjoyable and more realistic. Would love to see what you think
Iracing is not a good game when it comes to driving feel and ffb. And I agree with you that rf2 feels much much better. Once I tried rf2 and AC, I cancelled my iracing sub after 3years. It feels pretty bland and boring to drive compared to rf2/AC
@@bobbyQQ yeah man I fully agree. I had a iceracing subscription for a year and a half and the only reason for that was I forgot to take off auto by for the next year. But I tried every now and then and it's just so bland to play and you can't race close cuz the second you barely touch a car or tap on wall. Your car is completely out of whack. Since the new RF2 online, it's been fun with clean close racing and you can actually tap each other without completely ruining a race. But the ice racing diehards will claim. It's just because "you dont know how to drive"😂😂
I use a G27 and I use linear brake factor … finished 12 in stint one today at Summit Park
Is there a casual/budget upgrade path for the g920? I'm kinda stuck with it (I also removed the rubber piece from the brake because my street car has overly power assisted brakes).
I have a custom rig also holding my desk, but I can extend it with lateral reinforcement to take a stronger DD wheel to also build up muscle memory over single digit Nm.
While I see no problem having a load cell for brake, I only have a street car seat and I only drive street cars in AC so I'm only not looking for an all-out wrestling rig with 80kgs of braking force needed. Is there a 'middle road' package I can transition piece by piece?
Gonna get accused of shilling but AXC true brake and Leo bodnar cable
Same* I have a G25 and used the clutch spring out of the Char Yong 3 pack on Amazon, moved the old brake spring to my clutch and the old clutch spring to my throttle. In AC I have the input meter enlarged to know when I'm close to 100% and changed the Brake Gamma in control settings to the max (5.0) and it feels right for me so far
But this experiment is not accurate because you ve started with the g923 first then you got some more experience around green hell and then you ve switched to g pro with more experience
I have 5000000000 laps at the nordschleife, I don't think it would change too much. It's more the car really and the fact that I had no practice with the base.
I also own the G PRO and its my "daily driver" so this experiment is bound to be innaccurate to some level regardless.
I owned the G923 for years when I started, then the G PRO for a long time too, and I coach drivers in both potentiometer + belt and load cell + DD, so everything I talked about in the video stands true
You can get some feel with G923, but it is too weak. You can learn technique but my advice for people is just get something better, some DD wheel, don't waste money on this like I did.
I agree. I have a g920 and I feel if I get a better wheel, I'm going to improve my lap times a lot because trail braking is a nightmare with these travel pedals. You need to guess so much.
I bought a used g920 and have been using it for 3 years, but as you said, its too weak, so I'm planning to upgrade to CSL DD next year.
Can iask why you use the Logitech over the Fanatec??
I think he is sponsored by Logitech, but I could be wrong
Whats the gap time?
Bro your complaining Abt a g29 i have a wheel that turns 90° in both directions 😭
G923 and it's G27 derivatives are so outdated by today's standards it's not even funny. It's fine for a children's toy, but for anyone half serious about simracing, the T300RS is really the bare minimum imo.
You chatting shit now.
Sit down and shut up .
What an idiotic elitist comment.
Outdated maybe, but I'd have to agree with Suellio that the equipment isn't the limiter to going fast.
@@burritoh1It isn’t, however they can be a limiter on enjoyment.
IMO you don’t know what you’re talking about. Pedals are far more important than the wheel. You can be competitive with a cheap wheel, but not cheap pedals.
is there any way that I can get you to coach me? I have started sim racing a couple months ago and I use the logitech g920. I mainly play f1 23 or assetto corsa because I don't have Iracing
You book 1-on-1s though his website
I'm also a beginner, wish i could afford a driver coach lol. I used to think they were only really beneficial for established drivers, idk why i thought that given nobody has more to learn than newbs but i seen Suellio coach a beginner recently and I realized what a huge advantage it is if you can start off your journey with clear advice on what and how to learn by someone like Suellio evaluating your driving and giving personal instruction. I say beginner because that's what the dude claimed but he was certainly one hell of a fast learner lol
@braveheart4603 yeah but $179… that’s a lot of money
@@Juiceisbetterthanmilk I know that's why I opened my comment by saying I wish I could afford it lol It's well out of my reach.
A driving coach is certainly a luxury in my eyes and only really feasible for people who are comfortably well off or are planning competing seriously and expect that initial outlay to pay dividends later on.
For me I'm thankful of all the free videos and resources put out there by folks like Suellio. You can learn all the same techniques by watching him teach other beginners.
@@braveheart4603 that’s a good point I think it’s better to get somewhat decent without coaching and when you want to get serious then you get a coach
*IMPORTANT WARNING*: Logitech ( DO NOT ) carry spares or have service centres. They DO NOT carry any spares and even the smallest issue will result in the unit being bricked. Stick to an item with aftersale support and spares. Please dont make the mistake I did.
So then what do you do when you claim warranty if they don't have parts or service centers to repair ?
@@sermerlin1 This is exactly why I felt the urgency to let everyone know that logitech is a BIG mistake and to rather buy something else. Mine is completly useless and ready for the bin because of a small board issue. I have been holding on to it for the mean time in case logitech decides to change their ways but I feel it will inevitably end up on a scrap heap. I was fortunate to have my insurance pay me out and I have since replaced it with an alternate brand that I am very happy with. I made sure that my new brand I purchaced carries spare parts prior, and Im glad to say they do. I am extreamly disapointed with logitech for regaurding the gpro wheel and pedals as if it was just another disposable item such as a mouse.
Apologies I think you were asking if it were in warranty and they don't give you a nonsense excuse like they gave me, then they claim they swap out the unit totally. However I got told that because I had it delivered to a friend's house he was the rightful owner even though it was my billing and card information and also my friend was willing to try assist.
So you're doing the rounds of all the Logi G Pro reviewers and posting this rubbish. How or why would Logi not honor a warranty just because it was delivered to your mates home? If you have the invoice then YOU ARE THE OWNER but why can't your mate put it in for warranty?
Didn't you post elsewhere that Logi support wouldn't answer your calls? Your stories have more holes than a sieve and I don't think anyone will make the mistakes you did.
@@jed2055 Yeah super weird, which is why i didn't bother replying further... xD
Well this just sold me the pro😅
When you say you don’t need more than 11N, how heavy is formula 4 car or radical that you have driven? I have noticed after driving a go car my car wheel becomes very light. I can imagine a bigger go kart(F4 car).
It felt so awkward, let me take a guess, the person from sponsorship in logitech asked you to make a video with the objective of selling both the g923 and the gpro. So you couldn't really talk bad about the g923 or say you can get a much better deal with other brands like fanatec, moza, cammus, etc. It felt like they really put you on the spot, that was a hard video to make.
Just gonna through this out there for anyone looking at a DD wheel. I’d stay away from logitechs. (I own their DD) and it’s over priced for what they offer. They charge $1000 for 11nm, no ecosystem and extra wheels and complete plastic casing.
For $1000 with MOZA you can get so much more bang for your buck right now. Logitech has a lot they need to work on before they become a viable option for any sim racer.
The way its so week I max everything 😂
Then you've got clipping, that means the game sends higher forces to the wheel what you can't feel trough the wheel, so you loose detail, buy another wheel mate 😂
I had wheels with 2,4,6 and 18nm torque peaks. I end up at around 14-15. G pro is strong enough for most people for sure! I like a littie bit higher but my arms al also little bit bigger then Suellio's. I totally agree with Suellio's statements. Better gear is nice, but won't make you a better driver. Maybe 0.5%. But thats about it.
In real race cars forces can peak as high as 25+. Bot not at all classes. Look at this indycar cockpit racing. Its insane! ua-cam.com/video/jCd6j15NfIA/v-deo.html
Tyre physics iracing😂?
11 Nm is not enough for high level
Source please?
@@SuellioAlmeida bro your wheelbase was clipping the whole video
@@mgerimindeed it’s clipping the whole video, but it’s probably his settings that are bad. 11nm is plenty enough for GT. With 8nm, I only had issues with Formula cars as it was difficult to get both strength and details without clipping. I upgraded to Simucube since then so it’s not a problem anymore
There are aliens out there with entry level gear (g29, t300rs, …). Redouane Messaoud is world champion on Project Cars, RaceRoom, had 8k or 9k irating using a low end Thrusmaster TX or something like that
@@nicolaslopez3987 Settings weren't bad, some clipping on high compressions is fine. I actually explain in the video that it's better to have around 2-3% clipping to get some more corner entry information if you don't have a high ffb.
Clipping is bad when the bar is continuously red. If it flashes red here and there that's good.
I mean.... you have Logitech everything.. so they paid you to say this right? that being said the g923 sucks. needs to be discontinued after pretty much 20 years of the same mechanics.
How do they call it Pro when you have one rim and never getting another one lmao Logi can not ha Pro tag at those wheels 😂 anyone who’s on market for DD look anywhere else lol Moza is soooooo much better lol I would rather have TM DD and all the replica rims , Logi never made extras so good luck with that one ugly generic rim 😂
LOL. Fanatec or Moza fanboi.
Do you have your graphics settings anywhere I could find? I’m having a really hard time getting this sim to look decent. I feel like yours looks pretty good
Look up ir sidekick it is a reall handy tool that will asses and set iracing to run on your particular system it allowed me to run triple 34 inch ultrawides on a 3060 graphics card at anywhere from 65 to 150 frames depending on the track. The main thing is turning all the extra off track stuff all the way down or off. I highly recommend it.
What racing simulator do you recommend if you don’t use a PC 🥲 I’m on PS5
Asseto corsq contetitzione or asseto corsa ultimate edition
With 1.49 update (July 2024), physics in GT7 are much, much better. Less "arcadey" I have a Pro, FWIW.