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you can find a logitech shifter or alibaba shifter and handbrake wich this channel has also covered, if you want a better shifter and handbrake you will have to sacrifice a lot and get a t300 wich i dont think is sworth it
I felt this was super out of touch with the average person getting into sim racing. No human should be spending this much money on something unless they are 100% confident they're going to be deep into the hobby, or budget isn't an issue. Personally for anyone looking to 'get started' in 2024. Go onto marketplace, and pick up a used g27 or g29 rig for less than $150. Gives you time to confirm you enjoy and offers a bloody brilliant value for money proposition. Once you're stuck in, then you can think about spending $700+ on something you know you'll love if it's in your budget.
I think this is a good video for your 2nd sim setup. Used G27, G29, driving force gt, to start for sure. That said, if you already have experience sim racing (say at a friend's house) and are sure you want to continue with the hobby, I do think you should skip the G27 and go for a $7-800 setup. I had a G27 for years, and recently upgraded to an alpha mini and simjack pro pedals. The difference is huge and I wish I would've made the upgrade much sooner. You can probably be just as fast with a G27, but a dd wheel and load cell pedals makes for a much better feel, more akin to driving a real car.
I do agree that if you have never raced anything this is quite high spending when you can start with a G29 strappede to your desktop so you get a feel for how it is racing. also i feel that he is disregarding the Moza R5 bundle. In my country its only about 120$ more expensive and there is night and day difference in those sets. Personally i'm disregarding my own advice a bit. 20 years i had a stearin wheel for racing it was without force feedback or anything else. but it was hard getting it to work and having to set it up and take down all the time ment that i didn't use i to much. But ever since that time i have wanted a dedicated rig and every time i had the opportunity to jump in one i did. Now my oldest kid have moved away from home and i finally have the space to build a setup. So i'm going to buy a cockpit, find a 50+ tv to put on the wall and then go for a Moza R5 set. Yes i dont know if im going to use it as much as i hope but i have to give it a go.
I couldn't agree more. I started with the G29 cause I wanted a wheel that I could use on my PC and PlayStation5. Now that I'm hooked I'm looking at these more expensive upgrades. Tho my big game of choice is American Trucking Sim. the one of choice for me is gonna be the Moza for the fact they offer a truck wheel. And they have a packaged deal for $689. I'll just have to pick up the truck wheel later down the road. No pun intended lol. But yeah get a cheaper wheel to make sure you're gonna spend some actual time using it otherwise it could turn into money wasted in the corner of your space.
Yeah, something like a used T300, with t3pa pedals. Clamped to your desk, or if you want, bolted to a cheap and dirty 2x4 custom rig (those cost like 40$ and an evening of work) and a junkyard car seat. If you want an H-pattern coupled with an SHH newt. You're talking less than the cost of just the motor for the direct drive offerings. And are gonna have plenty of fun. You can then upgrade later when you get a better idea of what your looking for. Personally id avoid G27/G29 because they're less powerful and less smooth than the t300 and on the used market, at least where i live, usually around the same price.
@Envixitynix2211 So I bought a wheel with pedals and shifter with shipping for less then $450...sooooo....yea your wrong.....www.alibaba.com/product-detail/PXN-V12lite-bundle-direct-drive-gaming_1600730643594.html?spm=a2700.find_similar.normal_offer.d_image.25495f93AIVCqH
@Envixitynix2211bruh for ENTRY a logitech g29 with a shifter is all you need which you can get for less then 400. You don’t need to spend 400 on that bs unless you know this hobby is going to be something you want to do long term, then you get shit like that.
Me too. I know he’s a student but he’s younger looking than I would’ve expected. The production level of his content stands among the best of the best in the sim racing community so it’s on me and my old ass for assuming such high quality content came from someone older.
$400 US is around $600 Canadian. This is $200 more than I spent for my entire initial setup. The problem I have with most racing channels is that their ideas of 'budget' is mid to high tier for most people starting out.
I never said these were “budget” recommendations. In this video I give my thoughts on the best value (in terms of bang for your buck comparing dollar spent versus value gained). Never did I say these were budget friendly recommendations…
@@OCRacing Well if you target it for new people it makes sense they don't want to pour in $2k+ dollars immediately. It's like recommending a car for new drivers and telling them to buy 2024 Honda Civic. Don't get me wrong these recommendations are great, but I don't think they are for new sim racers, more for already "experienced" sim racers who really want to get deep into the sim racing. TLDR - If you aim it for new commers it makes sense they'll look for budget options.
@@OCRacingYour title says people who are just starting. if someone is just starting they wouldn’t want to pour acouple thousand let alone 500 or more into this. Should change the title to something else. Something for a beginner would be something like a G29 with a shifter then if they find out they like the hobby and are into it they upgrade into stuff like you mentioned in the video. Imagine the people who watched this vid and bought expensive shit just for them to fall out of the hobby a month in. I feel like directing this video to new people is wack. The guy original comment and the guy above me are right 100%
I got a bundle with a playseat for 300 used, but it retails for 300 euro new, decent pedals and good belt driven wheel. Please don't buy logitech g29 idk why everyone still recommends it
I am just starting and today I ordered an Moza R12 base, a CS V2P wheel, CRP pedals and a stand for the set. I believe these are more than enough for a starter.
The CRP pedals are really unimpressive for the price though and the R12 is weaker than supposedly 10nm simagic alpha mini. I blame moza for false advertising
@@wangte27 CRP pedals are beyond unimpressive. They are very uncomfortable, difficult to make adjustments and too high for my feet but you can't adjust height. So I ordered a p1000i set. R12 was very good but I changed it to R21 just out of curiosity. R21 feels only slightly better than R12. But I at least I have extra capacity in case I need it. I loved the CS V2 wheel. But since it didn't go well with F1 games I got an FSR F1 wheel for them. I loved it too. Moza products are better priced than Simagic while having similar quality and performance. The quality of the CRP pedal set is very good too but it's poorly designed.
Yes, I went Alpha Mini. It uses 18bit high resolution encoders for a start which achieve 264K, not the 15bit medium resolution encoders you get with the R5, R9 and R12 which make only 32K. This results in NO cogging when you turn the wheel on the Mini and is really smooth plus stronger ffb than the others mentioned. I also use it with the GT Neo wheel and VRS pedals. Just an awesome combination.
Exactly this but OC doesn't even mention this. Or the fact that of these, only Simagic can feature 360hz FFB on iracing and can be mounted any which way without having to pay more for mounts.
I went with fanatec dd pro for gt7 and all in with fanatec shifter fanatec handbrake v3 padels and the csl p1 v2 wheel. I'm really having a blast with this new hobby for me
This is a very niche scenario, but if you're gaming on Linux, the CSL DD has community drivers that work really well, I am currently using these drivers as I fully switched to Linux. I used my CSL DD on a dual booted Windows a few months ago so I can compare, and it feels exactly the same with community drivers on Linux. As far as direct drive wheels go, I think Moza doesn't really work under Linux so if that's your use case, consider going with the CSL DD. ACC works well, I am having fun on LFM with it on Linux. AMS2 works great as well, so does rFactor 2. iRacing TECHNICALLY can work well, but the anticheat blocks the ability to play iRacing. I will be trying to reach out to the team as recently they switched to a new AC and for like a week it was possible to run iRacing on Linux but they patched something and now it kicks you as soon as you join a session.
I've used the Moza HGP before, and it was nothing but issues. It would need constant re-calibrating due to going from neutral into 4th gear not working, and constantly losing it's place where shifting into 1st gear would put you in 3rd gear. I heard that fanatec's shifter has the same issue. Simagic' H-shifter, on the other hand, has worked perfectly fine since I got it. If you want a more reliable H-shifter that won't need constant fixing, go for that instead. Its more than double the price of Moza but 100% worth it.
huh.... i actually had this same issue with my old logitech g29 shifter annoyed me so much i just bought a generic shifter interesting to know it happened on a moza HGP shifter
Eh... I purchased my Fanatec shifter back in November for a steal of a deal thanks to Black Friday and been using it since it was delivered in early December. Haven't had any issues with it after 7 months. Granted, I don't slam my gears as I'm sure those with issues probably do.
I respect this guy's opinion immensely, but I have to disagree on the wheelbase. If you can afford the extra cash spend it here and go with the alpha mini. He says it's no much of an upgrade but with the 5-pole servo motor and higher bit rate encoder I genuinely think it's more than worth the ~$100
Hey I appreciate it. Looking at the specs the Alpha mini is better, as you mentioned. However, I’ve found that in-game, apart from feeling a bit more powerful at its highest FFB setting, the detail and overall feedback is very very similar. To some, that added torque may be worth the extra price and that’s totally fair. However, when you also take into account that simagic’s wheels are also (for the most part) more expensive than most of Fanatec’s or Moza’s, it begins to turn the tables a bit. Furthermore, Fanatec has integrated Xbox compatibility on many wheels thus allowing the CSL DD to work on that console and Moza is beginning to do the same - two other factors I took into consideration and thus came up with my final recommendation. At the end of the day though, all three are excellent.
Perfect timing, I just bought a cockpit and seat but haven’t bought any tech yet, I’m about to donate my G920 setup to a buddy and go direct drive/load cell. I have a NLR F-GT Elite 160 as it was on sale for the same price as a normal Elite
I think its important to consider yes the simagic alpha mini is more expensive the the moza r9 or the fanatec csl DD, but it also is a more powerful base. The moza r9 has a peak of 9nm, the csl DD is 5 nm or 8 nm with the boost kit, but the simagic alpha mini is 10nm, and thats sustained torque not peak. For the price of $539 to get 10 nm sustained is a good deal. (Also their pedals are some of the best in the business too, you just review the p1000 pedals)
You make a good point, thank you for the insight. Honestly I feel as though you really can’t go wrong with any of those three (R9, CSL DD, Alpha Mini). The performance difference between them is also extremely minimal
Plus the new neo wheel is on par in price with the moza and fanatec wheels you suggested and arguably an upgrade in quality. I love my mini. Sustained would probably work out to around 12 to 13 peak, which is actually significant. Also, with Fanatec, if you want to use a 3rd party wheel and get force feedback, you need to purchase a quick release AND a $150 podium hub, only need a qr with the other 2 products.
Im not sure how much the R9 is in dollars but the difference isnt worth it for an extra nm in the UK. The R9 is much better value here and still an amazing wheel base. Especially for a similar price to something like a thrustmaster for example
Running the Fanatec CSL ready to race set with LC and an aftermarket Aliexress 8nm brick. SHH Thorn Shifter, Simjack E-brake and just bought the McLaren V2 as an additional wheel. Couldn't be happier with this combo 😊
@@OCRacing using the ali boostkit for about 7 month now, absolutely no issues. Comparing the cost to the og fanatec, I really think it's a no brainer to recommend it for about 1/5 of the price.
Hey, my old plywood rig made the video (7:03)! Great recommendations. It's worth it in the long run to spend a bit more up front then upgrading later. I'm on my third wheelbase, third wheel rim, and third set of pedals. I'm currently running a Fanatec CSL DD, Clubsport RS wheel, Aseteck Forte pedals, Moza shifter, and Simlab EVO rig. I'm pretty happy with my setup, don't forsee any more upgrades for a while.
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Overall, these recommendations are great. I use an R9/ES Steering Wheel on my desk, and I can say that I probably would have put the ES Steering wheel as the pick for MOZA. While the wheel is smaller, you can buy a 12-in wheel mod from the website for $80 dollars, which would total $210, being cheaper than the CS V2P. I also do a lot of formula racing and it also comes with a formula wheel mod so you get a 2 in 1 and don't have to swap out.
I wonder why recommending Fantec hardware hence they're bankrupt and they'll need a lot of time to recover their loses. So go for Moza, Thrustmaster or even logitech imo.
From someone who lives in Canada and plays on console (PS5), a tip of advice for other Canadians, you're much better off getting the Logitech G Pro DD wheel instead of the Fanatec ones. While the ecosystem is definitely better, if you're like me and don't really care about having 2-3 different wheels and all the other accessories, then it's perfectly fine. Logitech also said that more offerings are going to be available in the future and the Logitech G Hub software on PC recently got updated with notes that included support for a future ecosystem, so it may be coming soon. The base itself is more powerful than the cheapest Fanatec bundles, even when combined with the Pro Pedals. Fanatec doesn't sell the 5NM version by itself, it forces you to get the more expensive 8NM version if you just want the wheel base, and then you still have to get a rim and pedals. The bundle isn't that great either since the pedals it offers is legitimate dogshit and you WILL most likely upgrade to a load cell anyways. and the MOST important thing is that Logitech has free shipping to Canada. Fanatec is notoriously bad with shipping costs and mis-marking the quantity of what you bought so whenever it reaches Canadian Customs, they make you pay a SHIT TON of duty and taxes on it, raising the price to insane levels.
I felt the same, i bought the same kit as you, and also the alurig he recommends, i went with 3x 27" monitors aswell. :) Got everything in house besides the rig, hopefully it comes soon :D
bought the R3 as soon as Moza re released it, unfortunately a plastic inside the USB port in the Wheel Base and ive been going back and forth with Moza for 2 months on trying to get a fix. It took them a month to send me a new motherboard and even sent me a video on how to replace it. Problem was that the wheel base they used to show me how to switch out the motherboard in the wheel base was completely different to the R3 and did not tell me i needed wire soldering tools. So now we opted to send me a shipping label to send back my bundle and when they receive it they'll send me a new R3 bundle. I genuinely have no words, i thought customer service wasn't that bad at Moza but the really slow email replies and that whole wrong wheel base being used to show me how to replace a motherboard thing was just annoying. In the video they sent it as all just unscrew the old and screw back on the new. But there was a gold peice in the R3 that was NOT in the video they sent and it was a grey peice. said peice was keeping me from completing the switch. Im getting tired of this I just want to use my wheel lol
I started with Logitech G29 with Logitech Playseat. If i continue doing sim racingvdown the road i will do a upgrade. These options he talks about is not a good choice for people getting into simvracing and or on console. Moza and PxG dont support ps5 and barely support xbox. Im glad he said his opinion.
could you maybe start a series with multiple budget to show best for the price for example $1000,$1500 etc until like 3--5k even maybe, and then show wheelbase rim pedals and rig(maybe even other accessoires ?
Yeah, FANATEC takes forever to show up. Customer service takes two days or more to respond. Ordered FANATEC, never showed, tried to cancel, they said they couldn't because it shipped. Magically received tracking number next day. Refused the delivery and I am currently in month two of fighting for my money back. Went on a site out of California, ordered Moza, had it in two days. No issues.
For me Now me and my dad own a SIM rig and we have a T300RS and the rest is fanatec. And I will say that what ever you do or want… never and I mean NEVER buy logitech SIM stuff brand new unless its like the shifter. Because its not worth it. I suggest you get it used so you know if you like it or not and then you can upgrade to like fanatec or moza on the budget side. I suggest either starting with thrustmaster or completly skipping it. Because when we got the T300RS right after fanatec made their budget Bundle where you get like a wheel, pedals and the dd motor which is pretty amaizing and I suggest that. And I can say that direct drive wheels are absolutely amaizing and being able to get a dd setup for like ≈500€? Is pretty insane. So Yeah I suggest getting something super cheap that has force Feedback and then upgrading to better stuff.
about the fanatec shifter i have seen ton of reports of it breaking down so I probably would go with simagic one. Im personally rocking csl dd (8nm) with cs formula 2.5 and cs bmw gt2 wheels, aiologs handbrake, th8a shifter (next upgrade), heusinkveld sprints and simlabs gt1 evo cockpit
Have you tried out the SHH shifter? I think it’s better value than anything else, and feels way better to use than any Logitech or thrustmaster options.
Good video altogether, but I really feel like you missed a gem with shifters and I'm talking about SHH shifter. In your review from 2 years ago stadard mounting that you were using was really weak, I've got mine with side mount and it is still rock solid. I've got mine for 1,5 hear now and everything is still working exactly as it should with no problem at all. Longetivity and sturdiness of it is really great and I cannot recommend it enough, specially for a price (€109). Easy to customize as well, got Ford gear knob with sleeve on it and it didn't missed a beat.
Handbrake alone for 200 lol. You can buy a second hand logitech g29 for that price with the h shifter and pedals to go with. Anyone who wants to try sim racing should just go with a g29. It is by far the best value package and will service you well for any sort of driving: track, rally or street racing. If this is just a hobby to you then the g29 is all you'll ever need.
I notice a lot of reviews mention how things look which I'm sure some people care about but most shopping at lower price points like me probably don't care about looks especially for things you don't really see like the pedals but I guess it could be important for streamers/content creators. I just know that companies listen to reviews and such and sometimes they focus on the wrong thing when trying to create a new product or improve an existing one. Would be a shame if they sacrifice a bit of efficiency in order to make something look nicer or raise the price point. Note: i know this matters to some I'm just not among them
I'd go Alpha Mini with a GT Neo over Fanatec or Moza. As for pedals, I'd pick the Simforge Mark 1 although the Cammus look interesting at that price point. The Fanatec ready2race McLaren bundle is probably a good starter, I'd still rather see people save a little more and get better equipment to start. Good choices on cockpits.
@OCRacing objectively disagree. Moza is great for entry level R5 but beyond that no. Components quality are sacrificed and advertised power ratings are, well, exaggerated. Furthermore, only Simagic can do 360hz FFB on iracing. And no need to shell out extra for mounting if you can't do bottom mount. The list goes on. This is coming across like a moza sponsored ad disguised as a review. I mean come on, moza pedals and shifters are really low quality. Even the handbrake isn't even a true loadcell that's why it's cheap. "Aviation grade" aluminum? Are you just repeating the what's printed on the box or have you actually verified this claim? It's all marketing BS
The alpha mini is only 539 and is 10nm. The r5 or csl DD Are only 5.5 nm ans are 400 bucks. Over 500 bucks for both the r9 and 8nm dd upgrade. The alpha mini is better for sure, by a good amount.
@@nxm_bops Dan Suzuki tested the newer version (v3) and tested 13.5 nm. Nearly all the reviews are about the newer version and Dan said that this wheelbase literally does everything better than R12.
That's a rumor that's been dispelled officially. So you might want to stop perpetuating it unless you have evidence to back it up which no one has @@nxm_bops
didnt even know it was less than half an hour since upload, damn. also im planning to finally buy a wheel, after like 230 hours in assetto corsa w/ kb and mouse thinking of buying the r5 bundle, any pedal recommendations since i tried the bundle out and never really enjoyed the pedals (300 usd budget for the pedals)
Hi mate thank you for your video. I'm a fanatec customer, I use a csl dd 8nm with csl load cell pedals set and mclaren v3 steering wheel. I'd like to upgrade my base to the cs dd+, i'd like to upgrade my pedals set and steering whell too but I wish to see a new high-end pedals set and a new gt3 steering wheel, the 27 cm diameter of the v2.5 is little for me!
idk how to feel about this list tbh, yeah the gear is good but i feel like most people are ready to drop 1k+ on a new hobby that they dont even know if theyre gonna stick to for a long time 🤷 i got lucky a few months ago when i first got into sim racing and picked up a T300RS with the GT Wheel, TLCM pedals and the TH8A for only like 400 bucks on ebay, still using it and ill probably keep using it until it either dies or im dedicated enough to spend more money
I like to buy a ps and xbox compatible wheel and cockpit. However, because shipping fees and exchange rate, i can buy food for 5 years with the cost. So, I'm stuck with g29 for the moment.
I'd say these options are still NOT ENTRY LEVEL IMO and NOT for those who want to start out with sim racing (this is so out-of-touch to an average) but rather just for those who have decided to drop themselves into the rabbit hole. Depending on where you are, these are NOT AFFORDABLE and not everyone have deep pockets for these options. A used G29 or T300 should suffice.
Way too expensive for half a world, dude. Makes the audience think that a one needs nasa tech to perform good in races and that's not necessarily true.
Note :- The title might suggest it but this video is not recommended for beginners who are unsure if sim racing is their hobby or not. This video felt super out of touch from reality of an average person thinking about starting sim racing. Get a second hand g29/g920 or other options in that price range and if your budget allows T300 rs Gt for PS5 as it will be far more cheaper and will give you a great entry point into sim racing. Also, some of my friends who compete on top levels still use g29 with upgraded load cell for brake pedals. Spending $1000 on a hobby you are not sure about isn't smart in any way.
IMO people will get much more bang for the buck spending more money on better pedals (e.g. Heusinkveld Sprints) and skipping H-pattern shifter / handbrake unless you really know you will want them.
Idk if it's just me but all of these are perfect for mid to high end racers. However i don't think that a dd, loadcells plus an aluminium cockpit are good if you just start out simracing and don't even know if you like it or not. Even if you have the space for them, it's too big of an investment for a begginer.
To me your recommendations are a bit monothematic. It‘s only Fanatec or Moza, and if you recommend sth else it is a too expensive Thrustmater handbrake without forgetting to mention to also look at the Moza HGP handbrake… If I am on budget and just start with sim racing then Simagic has a far better value/price ratio.
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still weird to see your face got used to just seeing you walk by and stuff lol
Maybe you should do a recommendation series for 2024 depending on budget in a series of separate videos.
$300, $500, $700, $1000, etc
please! I have been trying to find the best value parts for $500 but its complicated.
@@alxti maybe a cammus c5 and thrustmaster pedals, you still have some wiggle room
you can find a logitech shifter or alibaba shifter and handbrake wich this channel has also covered, if you want a better shifter and handbrake you will have to sacrifice a lot and get a t300 wich i dont think is sworth it
Yeah that would be cool cause im looking at a $3000 budget
@@alxti marketplace t150 or g29 or g920 with simjack pedals if you're on pc.
I felt this was super out of touch with the average person getting into sim racing. No human should be spending this much money on something unless they are 100% confident they're going to be deep into the hobby, or budget isn't an issue.
Personally for anyone looking to 'get started' in 2024. Go onto marketplace, and pick up a used g27 or g29 rig for less than $150. Gives you time to confirm you enjoy and offers a bloody brilliant value for money proposition. Once you're stuck in, then you can think about spending $700+ on something you know you'll love if it's in your budget.
agreed, got a TS300 + Acelith open wheel mod while saving up for the 488 GT3 Wheel. I'm having tons of fun
I think this is a good video for your 2nd sim setup. Used G27, G29, driving force gt, to start for sure.
That said, if you already have experience sim racing (say at a friend's house) and are sure you want to continue with the hobby, I do think you should skip the G27 and go for a $7-800 setup.
I had a G27 for years, and recently upgraded to an alpha mini and simjack pro pedals. The difference is huge and I wish I would've made the upgrade much sooner. You can probably be just as fast with a G27, but a dd wheel and load cell pedals makes for a much better feel, more akin to driving a real car.
I do agree that if you have never raced anything this is quite high spending when you can start with a G29 strappede to your desktop so you get a feel for how it is racing. also i feel that he is disregarding the Moza R5 bundle. In my country its only about 120$ more expensive and there is night and day difference in those sets.
Personally i'm disregarding my own advice a bit. 20 years i had a stearin wheel for racing it was without force feedback or anything else. but it was hard getting it to work and having to set it up and take down all the time ment that i didn't use i to much. But ever since that time i have wanted a dedicated rig and every time i had the opportunity to jump in one i did. Now my oldest kid have moved away from home and i finally have the space to build a setup. So i'm going to buy a cockpit, find a 50+ tv to put on the wall and then go for a Moza R5 set. Yes i dont know if im going to use it as much as i hope but i have to give it a go.
I couldn't agree more. I started with the G29 cause I wanted a wheel that I could use on my PC and PlayStation5. Now that I'm hooked I'm looking at these more expensive upgrades. Tho my big game of choice is American Trucking Sim. the one of choice for me is gonna be the Moza for the fact they offer a truck wheel. And they have a packaged deal for $689. I'll just have to pick up the truck wheel later down the road. No pun intended lol. But yeah get a cheaper wheel to make sure you're gonna spend some actual time using it otherwise it could turn into money wasted in the corner of your space.
Yeah, something like a used T300, with t3pa pedals. Clamped to your desk, or if you want, bolted to a cheap and dirty 2x4 custom rig (those cost like 40$ and an evening of work) and a junkyard car seat. If you want an H-pattern coupled with an SHH newt. You're talking less than the cost of just the motor for the direct drive offerings. And are gonna have plenty of fun. You can then upgrade later when you get a better idea of what your looking for.
Personally id avoid G27/G29 because they're less powerful and less smooth than the t300 and on the used market, at least where i live, usually around the same price.
I literally began looking for sim gear this monday and i speedran all the vid this channel has. Well this is timming
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I actually bought a GT Elite because of his review of it lol
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At 1:47 this dude said $400 is a good entry. WTF who's money are you stealing all I have is $400.
@Envixitynix2211 So I bought a wheel with pedals and shifter with shipping for less then $450...sooooo....yea your wrong.....www.alibaba.com/product-detail/PXN-V12lite-bundle-direct-drive-gaming_1600730643594.html?spm=a2700.find_similar.normal_offer.d_image.25495f93AIVCqH
@Envixitynix2211bruh for ENTRY a logitech g29 with a shifter is all you need which you can get for less then 400. You don’t need to spend 400 on that bs unless you know this hobby is going to be something you want to do long term, then you get shit like that.
Fr tho
used market to save money
this whole sets you recomended is far beyond the 1000 dollar mark. No one is spending over 1000 dollars just to try out sim driving/racing
i'm about to
@@Ryan-mb9iusame here.
Just did.
Used to autocross tires are expensive even junk yard tires get expensive plus admission to the place. I'm looking at this to save money 😅
My dad just sent 2k on his first ever sim racing setup
Oh my guy is showing his face now. Nice to finally meet you OC.
Ye that caught me off guard too haha
I may be late, but this is the first time I've seen this guy's face...always knew he looked like a GigaChad tho 😎
Agreed
same
Me too. I know he’s a student but he’s younger looking than I would’ve expected. The production level of his content stands among the best of the best in the sim racing community so it’s on me and my old ass for assuming such high quality content came from someone older.
me five
$400 US is around $600 Canadian. This is $200 more than I spent for my entire initial setup.
The problem I have with most racing channels is that their ideas of 'budget' is mid to high tier for most people starting out.
I never said these were “budget” recommendations. In this video I give my thoughts on the best value (in terms of bang for your buck comparing dollar spent versus value gained). Never did I say these were budget friendly recommendations…
@@OCRacing Well if you target it for new people it makes sense they don't want to pour in $2k+ dollars immediately. It's like recommending a car for new drivers and telling them to buy 2024 Honda Civic. Don't get me wrong these recommendations are great, but I don't think they are for new sim racers, more for already "experienced" sim racers who really want to get deep into the sim racing.
TLDR - If you aim it for new commers it makes sense they'll look for budget options.
@@OCRacingYour title says people who are just starting. if someone is just starting they wouldn’t want to pour acouple thousand let alone 500 or more into this. Should change the title to something else. Something for a beginner would be something like a G29 with a shifter then if they find out they like the hobby and are into it they upgrade into stuff like you mentioned in the video. Imagine the people who watched this vid and bought expensive shit just for them to fall out of the hobby a month in. I feel like directing this video to new people is wack. The guy original comment and the guy above me are right 100%
Hard budget? Get a t300rs gt used and don't even look at a logitech.
I got a bundle with a playseat for 300 used, but it retails for 300 euro new, decent pedals and good belt driven wheel. Please don't buy logitech g29 idk why everyone still recommends it
Bro this isnt a starter setup. You've been doing this too long.
I am just starting and today I ordered an Moza R12 base, a CS V2P wheel, CRP pedals and a stand for the set. I believe these are more than enough for a starter.
That’s what I bought 2 weeks ago and I’m loving it no regrets
The CRP pedals are really unimpressive for the price though and the R12 is weaker than supposedly 10nm simagic alpha mini. I blame moza for false advertising
@@wangte27 I will hopefully see myself in few days.
@wangte27 That's only true about the V1 version of the alpha mini. The current version V3 is capped at 10nm. Still great though.
@@wangte27 CRP pedals are beyond unimpressive. They are very uncomfortable, difficult to make adjustments and too high for my feet but you can't adjust height. So I ordered a p1000i set.
R12 was very good but I changed it to R21 just out of curiosity. R21 feels only slightly better than R12. But I at least I have extra capacity in case I need it.
I loved the CS V2 wheel. But since it didn't go well with F1 games I got an FSR F1 wheel for them. I loved it too.
Moza products are better priced than Simagic while having similar quality and performance. The quality of the CRP pedal set is very good too but it's poorly designed.
Went from Fanatec gear to Simagic alpha mini and P1000 pedals. Best sim purchase I ever made.
Yes, I went Alpha Mini. It uses 18bit high resolution encoders for a start which achieve 264K, not the 15bit medium resolution encoders you get with the R5, R9 and R12 which make only 32K. This results in NO cogging when you turn the wheel on the Mini and is really smooth plus stronger ffb than the others mentioned. I also use it with the GT Neo wheel and VRS pedals. Just an awesome combination.
Exactly this but OC doesn't even mention this. Or the fact that of these, only Simagic can feature 360hz FFB on iracing and can be mounted any which way without having to pay more for mounts.
I went with fanatec dd pro for gt7 and all in with fanatec shifter fanatec handbrake v3 padels and the csl p1 v2 wheel.
I'm really having a blast with this new hobby for me
This is a very niche scenario, but if you're gaming on Linux, the CSL DD has community drivers that work really well, I am currently using these drivers as I fully switched to Linux. I used my CSL DD on a dual booted Windows a few months ago so I can compare, and it feels exactly the same with community drivers on Linux. As far as direct drive wheels go, I think Moza doesn't really work under Linux so if that's your use case, consider going with the CSL DD.
ACC works well, I am having fun on LFM with it on Linux. AMS2 works great as well, so does rFactor 2. iRacing TECHNICALLY can work well, but the anticheat blocks the ability to play iRacing. I will be trying to reach out to the team as recently they switched to a new AC and for like a week it was possible to run iRacing on Linux but they patched something and now it kicks you as soon as you join a session.
I've used the Moza HGP before, and it was nothing but issues. It would need constant re-calibrating due to going from neutral into 4th gear not working, and constantly losing it's place where shifting into 1st gear would put you in 3rd gear.
I heard that fanatec's shifter has the same issue.
Simagic' H-shifter, on the other hand, has worked perfectly fine since I got it. If you want a more reliable H-shifter that won't need constant fixing, go for that instead. Its more than double the price of Moza but 100% worth it.
huh.... i actually had this same issue with my old logitech g29 shifter annoyed me so much i just bought a generic shifter interesting to know it happened on a moza HGP shifter
Eh... I purchased my Fanatec shifter back in November for a steal of a deal thanks to Black Friday and been using it since it was delivered in early December. Haven't had any issues with it after 7 months. Granted, I don't slam my gears as I'm sure those with issues probably do.
I respect this guy's opinion immensely, but I have to disagree on the wheelbase. If you can afford the extra cash spend it here and go with the alpha mini. He says it's no much of an upgrade but with the 5-pole servo motor and higher bit rate encoder I genuinely think it's more than worth the ~$100
Hey I appreciate it. Looking at the specs the Alpha mini is better, as you mentioned. However, I’ve found that in-game, apart from feeling a bit more powerful at its highest FFB setting, the detail and overall feedback is very very similar. To some, that added torque may be worth the extra price and that’s totally fair. However, when you also take into account that simagic’s wheels are also (for the most part) more expensive than most of Fanatec’s or Moza’s, it begins to turn the tables a bit. Furthermore, Fanatec has integrated Xbox compatibility on many wheels thus allowing the CSL DD to work on that console and Moza is beginning to do the same - two other factors I took into consideration and thus came up with my final recommendation. At the end of the day though, all three are excellent.
Perfect timing, I just bought a cockpit and seat but haven’t bought any tech yet, I’m about to donate my G920 setup to a buddy and go direct drive/load cell. I have a NLR F-GT Elite 160 as it was on sale for the same price as a normal Elite
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I think its important to consider yes the simagic alpha mini is more expensive the the moza r9 or the fanatec csl DD, but it also is a more powerful base. The moza r9 has a peak of 9nm, the csl DD is 5 nm or 8 nm with the boost kit, but the simagic alpha mini is 10nm, and thats sustained torque not peak. For the price of $539 to get 10 nm sustained is a good deal. (Also their pedals are some of the best in the business too, you just review the p1000 pedals)
You make a good point, thank you for the insight. Honestly I feel as though you really can’t go wrong with any of those three (R9, CSL DD, Alpha Mini). The performance difference between them is also extremely minimal
Plus the new neo wheel is on par in price with the moza and fanatec wheels you suggested and arguably an upgrade in quality. I love my mini. Sustained would probably work out to around 12 to 13 peak, which is actually significant. Also, with Fanatec, if you want to use a 3rd party wheel and get force feedback, you need to purchase a quick release AND a $150 podium hub, only need a qr with the other 2 products.
Im not sure how much the R9 is in dollars but the difference isnt worth it for an extra nm in the UK. The R9 is much better value here and still an amazing wheel base. Especially for a similar price to something like a thrustmaster for example
I just bought my setup recently and your reviews came in clutch, ended up going fanatec with a trakracer tr120
That's exactly what I did. Congrats on the nice rig 👍
Running the Fanatec CSL ready to race set with LC and an aftermarket Aliexress 8nm brick.
SHH Thorn Shifter, Simjack E-brake and just bought the McLaren V2 as an additional wheel.
Couldn't be happier with this combo 😊
Glad to hear! How has the aliexpress boost kit worked out? I’ve always been so curious about that
@@OCRacing using the ali boostkit for about 7 month now, absolutely no issues. Comparing the cost to the og fanatec, I really think it's a no brainer to recommend it for about 1/5 of the price.
Hey, my old plywood rig made the video (7:03)! Great recommendations. It's worth it in the long run to spend a bit more up front then upgrading later. I'm on my third wheelbase, third wheel rim, and third set of pedals. I'm currently running a Fanatec CSL DD, Clubsport RS wheel, Aseteck Forte pedals, Moza shifter, and Simlab EVO rig. I'm pretty happy with my setup, don't forsee any more upgrades for a while.
I got the PXN V12Lite Bundle and bought the Moza Universal Hub and the TSW Wheel when i truck, its amazing that you can combine wheels
Oh and could you please review the Simsonn Pro Pedals? I would love to see your opinion for them! Nice Video i have been subbed since 30k
Awesome to hear
@@user-bq9lm6eq7ssimsonn pro prdals are rlly good i have them!
I'm happy with my Playseat evolution with T3PA pedals and T 300 base with Ferrari Alcantara
My Playseat F1 sim rig the first edition with the F1 rim on T 300 base and TLCM pedals as we'll as the Next Level Racing F-GT for my flight simulator 2020 flying with Honeycomb yoke and throttle quadrant along with Logitech rudder pedals and 3 Logitech flight instrument panels and radio and autopilot panels 😃 Continue to enjoy your channel
Stay well eh 🇨🇦 🏁
Overall, these recommendations are great. I use an R9/ES Steering Wheel on my desk, and I can say that I probably would have put the ES Steering wheel as the pick for MOZA. While the wheel is smaller, you can buy a 12-in wheel mod from the website for $80 dollars, which would total $210, being cheaper than the CS V2P. I also do a lot of formula racing and it also comes with a formula wheel mod so you get a 2 in 1 and don't have to swap out.
Shocked me with that face reveal. I am sure you must have already done it, but caught me off guard for sure. Pleasure to meet you sir.
Thanks for making this video. I'm planning on piecing together a mid-level sim rig and this is extremely helpful.
I wonder why recommending Fantec hardware hence they're bankrupt and they'll need a lot of time to recover their loses. So go for Moza, Thrustmaster or even logitech imo.
From someone who lives in Canada and plays on console (PS5), a tip of advice for other Canadians, you're much better off getting the Logitech G Pro DD wheel instead of the Fanatec ones. While the ecosystem is definitely better, if you're like me and don't really care about having 2-3 different wheels and all the other accessories, then it's perfectly fine. Logitech also said that more offerings are going to be available in the future and the Logitech G Hub software on PC recently got updated with notes that included support for a future ecosystem, so it may be coming soon.
The base itself is more powerful than the cheapest Fanatec bundles, even when combined with the Pro Pedals. Fanatec doesn't sell the 5NM version by itself, it forces you to get the more expensive 8NM version if you just want the wheel base, and then you still have to get a rim and pedals. The bundle isn't that great either since the pedals it offers is legitimate dogshit and you WILL most likely upgrade to a load cell anyways.
and the MOST important thing is that Logitech has free shipping to Canada. Fanatec is notoriously bad with shipping costs and mis-marking the quantity of what you bought so whenever it reaches Canadian Customs, they make you pay a SHIT TON of duty and taxes on it, raising the price to insane levels.
I pulled the trigger on the bmw csl dd kit a day ago glad that was one of your top picks
I felt the same, i bought the same kit as you, and also the alurig he recommends, i went with 3x 27" monitors aswell. :)
Got everything in house besides the rig, hopefully it comes soon :D
bought the R3 as soon as Moza re released it, unfortunately a plastic inside the USB port in the Wheel Base and ive been going back and forth with Moza for 2 months on trying to get a fix. It took them a month to send me a new motherboard and even sent me a video on how to replace it. Problem was that the wheel base they used to show me how to switch out the motherboard in the wheel base was completely different to the R3 and did not tell me i needed wire soldering tools. So now we opted to send me a shipping label to send back my bundle and when they receive it they'll send me a new R3 bundle. I genuinely have no words, i thought customer service wasn't that bad at Moza but the really slow email replies and that whole wrong wheel base being used to show me how to replace a motherboard thing was just annoying. In the video they sent it as all just unscrew the old and screw back on the new. But there was a gold peice in the R3 that was NOT in the video they sent and it was a grey peice. said peice was keeping me from completing the switch. Im getting tired of this I just want to use my wheel lol
Proud to say i subbed in 2021
Perfect timing was just about to look to add something to the rig
You know I got you 😉
Thank you! very informative
Glad it was helpful!
I started with Logitech G29 with Logitech Playseat. If i continue doing sim racingvdown the road i will do a upgrade. These options he talks about is not a good choice for people getting into simvracing and or on console. Moza and PxG dont support ps5 and barely support xbox. Im glad he said his opinion.
could you maybe start a series with multiple budget to show best for the price for example $1000,$1500 etc until like 3--5k even maybe, and then show wheelbase rim pedals and rig(maybe even other accessoires ?
Yeah, FANATEC takes forever to show up. Customer service takes two days or more to respond. Ordered FANATEC, never showed, tried to cancel, they said they couldn't because it shipped. Magically received tracking number next day. Refused the delivery and I am currently in month two of fighting for my money back. Went on a site out of California, ordered Moza, had it in two days. No issues.
Fanatec parent company filing for bankruptcy. Looks like you dodged a bullet!
this is the perfect video since I'm currently saving up money to build my first sim rig in a month or two.
For me, getting a direct-drive system was not an option, since my budget as a student is pretty low. So a G29 it was
100k dude! So awesome to see how far youve come. Well done 👍
Thank you! 🙏
Can you make a video another the best console setup? Please
For me Now me and my dad own a SIM rig and we have a T300RS and the rest is fanatec. And I will say that what ever you do or want… never and I mean NEVER buy logitech SIM stuff brand new unless its like the shifter. Because its not worth it.
I suggest you get it used so you know if you like it or not and then you can upgrade to like fanatec or moza on the budget side.
I suggest either starting with thrustmaster or completly skipping it. Because when we got the T300RS right after fanatec made their budget Bundle where you get like a wheel, pedals and the dd motor which is pretty amaizing and I suggest that.
And I can say that direct drive wheels are absolutely amaizing and being able to get a dd setup for like ≈500€? Is pretty insane.
So Yeah I suggest getting something super cheap that has force Feedback and then upgrading to better stuff.
about the fanatec shifter i have seen ton of reports of it breaking down so I probably would go with simagic one.
Im personally rocking csl dd (8nm) with cs formula 2.5 and cs bmw gt2 wheels, aiologs handbrake, th8a shifter (next upgrade), heusinkveld sprints and simlabs gt1 evo cockpit
Super informative video, thank you.
Glad I could help out :)
Have you tried out the SHH shifter? I think it’s better value than anything else, and feels way better to use than any Logitech or thrustmaster options.
Good video altogether, but I really feel like you missed a gem with shifters and I'm talking about SHH shifter. In your review from 2 years ago stadard mounting that you were using was really weak, I've got mine with side mount and it is still rock solid. I've got mine for 1,5 hear now and everything is still working exactly as it should with no problem at all. Longetivity and sturdiness of it is really great and I cannot recommend it enough, specially for a price (€109). Easy to customize as well, got Ford gear knob with sleeve on it and it didn't missed a beat.
Thanks bro I’m learning to upgrade my setup and your help is actually helping me
It’s kinda crazy how Moza managed corner and compete with fanatec only within 3 years
The Chinese always have to chase somebody
The Fanatec Ready to race bundle is no longer available… the pain 😢
one of the best natural body builders
Handbrake alone for 200 lol. You can buy a second hand logitech g29 for that price with the h shifter and pedals to go with.
Anyone who wants to try sim racing should just go with a g29. It is by far the best value package and will service you well for any sort of driving: track, rally or street racing. If this is just a hobby to you then the g29 is all you'll ever need.
idk why people obsess over the g29. Something like Thrustmaster t150 pro is far better than a g29, due to being belt driven instead of gears.
Bro owns everything simracing
I have a big test tomorrow but when OC Racing posted you just have to watch.😂😂😂
School is definitely more important than oc racing but I appreciate your support 😂😂
dope you're showing your face now. you look very natural behind the camera
I notice a lot of reviews mention how things look which I'm sure some people care about but most shopping at lower price points like me probably don't care about looks especially for things you don't really see like the pedals but I guess it could be important for streamers/content creators. I just know that companies listen to reviews and such and sometimes they focus on the wrong thing when trying to create a new product or improve an existing one. Would be a shame if they sacrifice a bit of efficiency in order to make something look nicer or raise the price point.
Note: i know this matters to some I'm just not among them
Is Thrustmaster tx worth 200€ used with the alcantra ferrari 599x wheel rim
I'd go Alpha Mini with a GT Neo over Fanatec or Moza. As for pedals, I'd pick the Simforge Mark 1 although the Cammus look interesting at that price point. The Fanatec ready2race McLaren bundle is probably a good starter, I'd still rather see people save a little more and get better equipment to start. Good choices on cockpits.
fantastic video!!! building a rig based on your recommendations
@OCRacing objectively disagree. Moza is great for entry level R5 but beyond that no. Components quality are sacrificed and advertised power ratings are, well, exaggerated. Furthermore, only Simagic can do 360hz FFB on iracing. And no need to shell out extra for mounting if you can't do bottom mount. The list goes on. This is coming across like a moza sponsored ad disguised as a review. I mean come on, moza pedals and shifters are really low quality. Even the handbrake isn't even a true loadcell that's why it's cheap. "Aviation grade" aluminum? Are you just repeating the what's printed on the box or have you actually verified this claim? It's all marketing BS
The alpha mini is only 539 and is 10nm.
The r5 or csl DD Are only 5.5 nm ans are 400 bucks. Over 500 bucks for both the r9 and 8nm dd upgrade. The alpha mini is better for sure, by a good amount.
Let’s goo new vid Good vid oc!
Thanks 🐐
missing the simjack and simsonn pedal options, would be interesting to see a review of those as they seem unbeatable in their pricerange
Oh shit! Oscar showing face in the new vids! Let’s go my guy! Keep up the excellent content!
6:43 good shoes
Why didnt you mention the GT Neo by Simagic and how ist a R9 as strong as a alpha mini???
Alpha mini v3 is abit stronger than the r9 the v1 however is stronger than the r12
@@nxm_bops Dan Suzuki tested the newer version (v3) and tested 13.5 nm. Nearly all the reviews are about the newer version and Dan said that this wheelbase literally does everything better than R12.
@@fuchsroehre9 dan tested the v1 as you can see from the rear veiw of tje base which is rated at 13.5nm but the v3 whichis currently being sold 10
That's a rumor that's been dispelled officially. So you might want to stop perpetuating it unless you have evidence to back it up which no one has @@nxm_bops
Glad you started appearing in the videos dude
Might as well right? 🤣
didnt even know it was less than half an hour since upload, damn.
also im planning to finally buy a wheel, after like 230 hours in assetto corsa w/ kb and mouse
thinking of buying the r5 bundle, any pedal recommendations since i tried the bundle out and never really enjoyed the pedals (300 usd budget for the pedals)
230 hours on keyboard and mouse is insane! 🤣
I would look into the two pedals i mentioned in the “pedals” section of this video
@@OCRacing endured the pain lol, just wanted to make sure that i REALLY liked sim racing before eventually spending way too much money
What if only the G29 is available in your country?
Hi mate thank you for your video. I'm a fanatec customer, I use a csl dd 8nm with csl load cell pedals set and mclaren v3 steering wheel. I'd like to upgrade my base to the cs dd+, i'd like to upgrade my pedals set and steering whell too but I wish to see a new high-end pedals set and a new gt3 steering wheel, the 27 cm diameter of the v2.5 is little for me!
a really well put together video
instant subscriber
Glad to hear! Welcome aboard :)
Facecam is pretty cool
Glad you think so 🤣
Really nice video OC❤
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed :)
idk how to feel about this list tbh, yeah the gear is good but i feel like most people are ready to drop 1k+ on a new hobby that they dont even know if theyre gonna stick to for a long time 🤷
i got lucky a few months ago when i first got into sim racing and picked up a T300RS with the GT Wheel, TLCM pedals and the TH8A for only like 400 bucks on ebay, still using it and ill probably keep using it until it either dies or im dedicated enough to spend more money
whoa, your face again?!?🤣
Keep up with the high quality content OC.
Might as well, makes editing slightly easier 🤣
CSL DD 8nm + Mclaren GT3 v2 + Clubsport RS wheels. Been having these for 3 years now, don't feel I need anything else.
Very solid setup. What did you go with for the pedals?
Dude. This editing style gives me anxiety 😂. CALM IT DOWN MAN!!!! 🤙
Oscar your pics are right on, I should know🤣🙋👍
I like to buy a ps and xbox compatible wheel and cockpit. However, because shipping fees and exchange rate, i can buy food for 5 years with the cost. So, I'm stuck with g29 for the moment.
I'd say these options are still NOT ENTRY LEVEL IMO and NOT for those who want to start out with sim racing (this is so out-of-touch to an average) but rather just for those who have decided to drop themselves into the rabbit hole. Depending on where you are, these are NOT AFFORDABLE and not everyone have deep pockets for these options. A used G29 or T300 should suffice.
Ngl simracing has improved over the years and prices skyrocketed but at least you can find some good simracing gears for cheap in the used market
I think prices have come down a lot for something’s like direct drive wheelbases, but it’s certainly still not a “cheap” hobby by any stretch…
Not openly displaying prices while recommending a product over another is a predatory tactic.
In my opinion, buy a g29 and after that buy anything else that is better if not you will not apreciate the difference
Will the iRacing series will show your face too? Coz I do love this new format.
Love the videos ❤ when’s the next sim project setup video??
I would buy the csl dd or elite but I can't explain spending half a grand for a wheel
Need a tutorial on how to install crew chief for iracing
Way too expensive for half a world, dude. Makes the audience think that a one needs nasa tech to perform good in races and that's not necessarily true.
Note :- The title might suggest it but this video is not recommended for beginners who are unsure if sim racing is their hobby or not. This video felt super out of touch from reality of an average person thinking about starting sim racing. Get a second hand g29/g920 or other options in that price range and if your budget allows T300 rs Gt for PS5 as it will be far more cheaper and will give you a great entry point into sim racing. Also, some of my friends who compete on top levels still use g29 with upgraded load cell for brake pedals. Spending $1000 on a hobby you are not sure about isn't smart in any way.
Recommending the fanatec shifter....
I used mine for a very long time and it’s been great 🤷♂️
End of the day I recommend based off my personal experience and it’s been solid
IMO people will get much more bang for the buck spending more money on better pedals (e.g. Heusinkveld Sprints) and skipping H-pattern shifter / handbrake unless you really know you will want them.
Idk if it's just me but all of these are perfect for mid to high end racers. However i don't think that a dd, loadcells plus an aluminium cockpit are good if you just start out simracing and don't even know if you like it or not. Even if you have the space for them, it's too big of an investment for a begginer.
Hey, really liked the video! Since Fanatec is going out of business, does much of this video's advice change or does it not matter? Thanks.
Avoid fanatec if you want to make sure you get the product you purchase
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I would buy PXN V-12 cause it's 300$ for Base + Wheel in my country
Wow, for that price it’s a great deal!
Thoughts on the vnm shifter? Personally like it over the three choices you said.
How much is the most expensive sim racing setup you’ve seen?
Broo the MOZA handbrake is like 100$ and works super well. dont spend $300 on a handbrake
To me your recommendations are a bit monothematic. It‘s only Fanatec or Moza, and if you recommend sth else it is a too expensive Thrustmater handbrake without forgetting to mention to also look at the Moza HGP handbrake…
If I am on budget and just start with sim racing then Simagic has a far better value/price ratio.
Seeing this after ordering a csl DD. Calm
😂😂
Can we mix and match ? Or should they be used in the same ecosystem?
Bro forgot bout the 12 inch mod for the es wheel 💀💀