This Company is Scamming YouTubers
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- Опубліковано 5 сер 2023
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also ctrl-shift-T doesn't work on my keyboard but all other keyboard commands do how do i fix it for the love of god im not in private mode it is killing me
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It always amazes me how much brands end up hurting their reputation by trying to protect their brand.
It's also quite amazing that people that do this for a living for many years still make dumb mistakes like this one 😑
@@stefan514 I think its *because* theyve been doing it for many years tbh. They're stuck in old ways and don't have any idea how to navigate in the modern landscape but refuse to hand power over to people who are more in touch (which tend to be younger)
@@its-timewow how creative you’re a bot that links a vid making fun of bots. Guys they’re evolving 😅
Reputation? Using the Guinness world record and reputation in the same sentence in itself is a world record.
Mojang right now lol
It’s sad to see Ludwig is no longer a ventriloquist
damn what did my original reply say 🤔
What's a Ludwig?
i dont know why it happens and im too scared to change anything
@@freshmaker0088 lud = lord
a lord's wig
@@MogulMailsmh.
imagine being a widely accepted official record keeper and not doing something as popular as video games because it “changes too much”
Imagine scamming your users because you refuse to make money off of the video game industry and the immense business it would bring
They're not accepted at all they're a scam
@@jackg6887 But back in the 80s? Sure...back when they came in the yearly book catalogue in grade school.
@snickle1980 that's 40 plus years ago man they're ruined what little reputation they had.
They probably don’t have the manpower to keep up with it.
I also got a copyright strike from EXACTLY THIS TOO!!
Please be safe everyone.
Wsg cuzzo
Please clean your balls before u sleep🙏🙏🙏
Yes be safe
UA-cams dead
@@alwayshere6956 not really. there is 2 billion users on here
@@alwayshere6956 then why are you using it
Mogul Mail calling out Guinness World Records about this is extremely brave, something Ludwig could never do.
Stop with the joke already he's tired of it that's why he said he's mogul mail in a previous vid
@@deadboltzz5199 I will never stop. Day and night I shall keep refreshing my youtube feed, in the hopes that another Mogul Mail video is posted. As soon as this happens, I will rush to make the most tasteless Ludwig vs. Mogul Mail joke I can think of. I will watch the likes count on my comment slowly rise, as I have in this video and in videos before. This attention is the only thing that gives me purpose, that keeps me alive. This is my dragon, and I will keep chasing it until it becomes the end of me. Also ludwig bad mogul mail good.
@@klausmana9512 this feels like the start of an incredible villain arc
Who is Ludwig? A streamer?
@@robinaartsen3679Yeah, i only know mogul mail
Recent record holder here. GWR has fostered such a monetized and messy process that the World Record title has lost a lot of it's meaning. They're a pain in the ass to work with, and i wouldn't recommend it to anyone.
out of curiosity which record
@@petaflop.That would basically be doxxing themself
@@burnttoast26 whoops forgot abt that
wii sports bowling lmao
it might be on my channel, not sure if i unlisted it
it costs like 5k to get one of those people out too
Just gonna add, I’ve broken records before with proof, and solely because I’m a youtuber they asked for upwards of $7500 to make it Guinness official.
fuckin outrageous
Underrated. this needs more comments and likes
So wait, they gladly took your $50 for you to submit your record but then turned around and said they won't even bother? That seems almost borderline illegal
I mean there’s a lot of business models that fall under that type of category, it doesn’t surprise me that they’re doing it too
He didn't have to pay 50$
@@everythingpony Bro what? Lud literally says he paid 50$ for it
A big company scamming youtubers?? What a surprise!
questionable copyright claims too??? i’ve never seen this before!!!!
I sure hope other large companies aren't doing awful things like this!
"A big company scamming??"
What a surprise!
While this company is garbage af, not wanting their logo on shit that is not affiliated to them is completely understandable. That’s a textbook copyright case. UA-camrs are so entitled just using everything they find on the internet for their own profit and when they get striked for it they mobilize millions of fans that have 0 clue about rights and laws
@@ssigeon it's not questionable. You can't just plaster a real companys official logo on your things and then make money from it.
There's a reason why movie producers don't fill their movies up with everyday brands, because it's not legal to do so. It could seriously hurt the brand of a company if marvel for example shows the big bad mass murdere guy to drinking starbucks.
Remember when it comes to copyright you actually have to change it before you can use it. You can't just copy paste.
saddest part is guinness could so easily become relevant by sponsoring or starting their own speedrun records site
No, that would be effort.
Guinness just going for the record of “most copyright strikes given out”
Nintendo, UMG, WMG and SME: Are you challenging us?
Billy Mitchell: um, no thatd be me
The thing with Guinness in 2020 was that they started hosting some speedrun world record videos on their channel, with permission. As soon as my video went up- it was horribly edited and had tons of other issues but that's a different story- then their auto copyright claiming system started claiming hundreds if not thousands of Super Mario Bros. speedruns because they were similar to a video they now had on their channel.
It was also the weekend so they didn't see it right away. Once they did they actually handled it pretty well. That being said they are a horrible, low quality, meaningless company and don't actually care about competition or skill or integrity at all.
Unfortunate that they essentially have a monopoly on a section of culture that they hardly seem to care about
wow
Karljobst made a video about that
It's weird to think about how Guinness World Records started as a barbook made by Guinness (the beer company) to settle drunk arguments. One would think that one of the world's biggest beercompanies could afford to payroll a sub-company like Guinness World Record, but I don't even know if they're owned by Guinness anymore
I agree when it comes to the small online submit a video type records. But when we're talking an adjudicator i don't see why GWR should flip that bill because you want an official there instead of just doing it the other way like everybody else.
I mean we're talking plane tickets, hotel room, food, salaries, renting a car, etc. etc. eveytime someone wants an official judge there.
Its kinda like Michelin Stars in a way, yk what i mean with that right
I had to get rid of like 20 videos because of this 😭
The thing that happened to Kosmic is actually an interesting story and there's a lot more to it. After Kosmic got the first 18 minute time in Super Mario Bros. Warpless, Guiness reached out to him to do a video for their channel. They basically did a bare-bones interview and then just uploaded his run unedited. A while later they decided to do content ID takedowns with that video, which claimed Kosmic's original video as well as a bunch of other SMB1 speedrun related videos. I personally got hit with 27 claims, all I had to dispute. It was a really fucked up situation. I know Karl Jobst made a great video about that story, but I think he took it down because of the Guiness stuff happenening recently. Anyway after that situation and watching that Karl Jobst video I personally believe Guiness World Records to be a scam and pay-to-win.
Also when I broke the Warpless world record shortly after Kosmic they didn't reach out to me at all so I too have personal beef with them :P
They dont even fact check their records half the time! Billy Michel's records should NOT have been posted in the book bc there was NO confirmation of them and thats not the only time theyve done that, they are a scam company where you have to pay them to get into their shitty little book, which isnt that good its cool but i want detailed articles about the records and stuff not short blurbs
^ bots, they claim they arent bots but they are
@@officialII Your whole family left you, and here's why: ua-cam.com/video/bXfUjaOxKi0/v-deo.html
what in hell 😭
1:28 did you get a refund on that $50? Do they clearly state they no longer do video game entries on their website? That seems like the bigger scam to me; how many $10, $20, or $50 application fees have they taken just to tell people "nah we don't do that"?
Oh I'm sure they have plenty in their terms and conditions that says "no refunds and we have no fucking obligation to do anything."
@@gregothy9190Sure, but those terms & conditions aren’t necessarily enforceable either depending on the situation. Same with those waivers you sign when doing certain activities stating that a place is “not liable” if you injure yourself, etc. It’s always case by case but don’t assume those documents are infallible.. places will just have people sign documents like that to act as a chilling effect to convince people that litigation would be futile and to cover their asses partially… those sorts of documents (signed or not) do not protect them from negligence, fraudulent sales practices, etc.
@@gregothy9190You pay 50$ for a premium, for them to look at your record and get a answer faster then if you send the free one
why would he? He paid 50$ for a premium, he could have done it for free but paid 50$ for the premium
@Malbert. he didn't. He had to wait the normal six months like everyone else
they need to just end the 3 strike system entirely. if a channel is getting multiple strikes then a real ass human being can come and verify whats going on.
At 2 strikes in a row, at least, someone should review it manually for false strikes
@TaiAngel01 yeah, the more I hear the more I realise they are FAR too loose about strikes. They're supposed to be an extreme last resort, but because big companies have lots of money and no morals they can and do just strike people willy-nilly without so much as a warning.
You can’t convince me that Ludwin doesn’t have every single world record ever recorded
He’s too kind and humble to come out publicly about it
@@AlyssiaCollard I agree, too kind and too dang fast. A true prodigy
no. but Mogul Mail might
He has the record for worlds shortest co-
@@ChrisPtoes27 👀👀
i've had beef with guinness since they uploaded the video of giving the person who could do the most turns. they turned it into a match between a man and woman, both professional ballet dancers. but then the guy didn't do the correct turns (one of the hardest technical turns) and won because he did an easier type while the woman did it correctly
I don’t think Guinness is quite obsolete yet, but their track records and the continual innovations of the internet are starting to drag them down to a point where it seems they only have bad decisions to make, which is sad because I also have fond memories of buying one of their books at a scholastic fair.
Fred never disappoints to keep me updated with the current news
JINKIES!
I think there is a really lucrative opportunity for a sort of rival to Guinness World Record, like another company that tracks and posts world records. Not only because they're a shitty corporation but because there are just an unenumerable amount of categories they don't really deal with that a rival could really get into. Just my two cents.
Yeah, that would actually a good timing to start a business regarding archiving world records with a website along with it.
“Scholastic Bookfair”?
“The guy with the really long nails”?
Holy shit you just took me back to a simpler time 😩
I also took down my world record videos. I thought okay lets make it official then with guinessbook records so I don’t have to take it down. First I needed to pay a fee and then it got declined for “not having a category” this company is a joke🤡
How is this barely liked
^ bots (except first comment, that ones normal)
peoples world records are like "I stood the longest outside in Antarctica while holding 7 oranges and an Iphone in my hands facing east, 5 seconds because nobody ever thought to do that specific thing"
Guinness is no longer a record keeping agency, they're a PR firm.
tbh getting copyright strikes because you don't own the logo of something is like basically the most common form of copyright and trademarks lol. A lot of companies usually don't act on it but you have to be really careful when including logos in things because yeah they're in their full right to act against it.
As Ludwig touches on, the records really went into territory that was just dumb and gimmicky, rather than interesting feats - A Guinness World Record should be based on something like the field having a prior following or interest, rather than "I watched Ludwig's latest mogul mail the fastest" and because I bought my way in I can claim it as a world record.
Side note - I thought Neil was someone playing SF6 lmao
I remember ALL the kids in my elementary school would legit fist fight over these books when we went to the library. If you managed to get the newest edition you usually had a crowd of kids who wanted to be your friend.
Can’t wait to digest this information a second time when Charlie makes a video:)
and Asmongold.
and maybe Philip Defranco
And pyrolive
Rounding it out with xQC watching all of those without commentary. =)
They arent a world record holding company they are a novelty book store where you pay to get you "record" on there
You love to see Glugwig use his journalism degree. Lovely entertainment.
It's trying to set its own record: Most copyright strikes in one day .
Basically if you want Guiness WR just pay a glorified bribe.
A standard fee for a service is not a "bribe"
You must be so confused when it's time to pay the exterminator 🙄🤦♂️
@stephenmason9527 nah, you can pay them to find a record for you to break as company and then you can do that and advertise with it for 2 years. So yeah half their business is now marketing
@@stephenmason9527 no its a bribe if they don't take normal world records but only those from the people that pay them.
@@stephenmason9527 well seeing how you can basically go "well I paid more so they'll pay more attention to my submission" that doesn't seem like a service fee, otherwise the fee would be the same for everyone and not get priority because you paid 2 thousand dollars instead of 100.
Thats just a corporative bribe to me
@@alexanderxyz9572 absolutely none of this could be described as a "bribe" 🙄🤦♂️
It makes sense when you think about it. That logo is essentially their only asset as a company. It's reasonable that they would want to protect its usage.
It only makes sense if you don't think about it...
Their claim against the logo would be under trademark/fraud, not copywrite. The strikes don't make sense.
@@uniquename6925 First of all, you don't know how to spell "copyright" so I take it you aren't an expert. Secondly, they have both the trademark and copyright to the logo so are free to make a claim. Thirdly, your point here is that they should be suing for trademark infringement which is much worse than a copyright strike. Do you really think these creators deserve a harsher punishment than they already received?
Funnily enough, that exact png is on Wikipedia, meaning it's Creative Commons licensed or they truly are just picking on UA-camrs.
@@talkssometimes They are choosing to act against people who are misusing their property in a way that threatens the integrity of their products, which is entirely reasonable. That said, Wikipedia claims the image is ineligible for copyright but likely hasn't been challenged on it so that neither proves or disproves their ownership.
@@_xeereafter 5 years is crazy 🤣
Fairly certain they said they gave away all that pizza from the largest pizza to local poor communities not thrown away
It’s not good enough anymore to have a stable business that makes a profit with a quality service or product(s). You must always be growing, expanding, merging, buying the competition, cutting costs, adding subscriptions, monetizing everything, and raising the stock price.
MORE MORE MORE. 😢
That's why capitalism sucks.
I remember going to a convention when I was a kid, where we could all try and break various records. I remember i set a record on how far from my back i could extend my shoulder blades, kinda like a cat when they walk, i know its freaky. I had so many fond memories of guinness world record, its such a shame to see them fall to this trash behaviour.
Hey Lud, does performing right click along the top of chrome -> undo closed tab happen to work? If so it might be another program (or extension) intercepting the Ctrl-Shift-T input but idk what your setup is 🤷
That’s pretty unfortunate. My family has given me for Christmas the Guinness book every year since 1999. It’s a tradition at this point. Such a bummer hearing how this actually works now.
He’s gone full Fred, I fear
I never really liked Guiness World Records and glad to see they are still giving me reasons to dislike them by going straight for strikes without reaching out about it.
Someone buy Mogul Mail an orange ascot, let him complete his Fred Jones cosplay
Glad to see that company getting more and more criticism and their practices exposed. First I learned of this from hbomberguys excellent video on the roblox oof. Then a german tv show reported on how they work with regimes, including deleting inconvenient negative records about a former dictator when his son wanted to get elected too. They even posed as north korean officials/government PR to try to get records like "most corrupt country" deleted, and were not outright rejected
When I was a kid Guiness World Records was a paper back book with no pictures... it was thick like a bible lol...
They should have at least made a public announcement ahead of time and say "het, we will be copyrighting anyone using our logo, u have a week to get it sorted, past that time u will receive a copyright"
Is that Evo footage playing in the background? I'd recognize Cammy spiral arrow anywhere.
i'm in the guiness world record book, i forget what year. i was in girl guides (canadian girl scouts) and while i was at summer camp we all broke a guiness world record for worlds longest friendship bracelet
Neat
He said "well gang" instead of "boys" today is a unique day in the history of youtube
Darcy's acting of the mic guard was phenomenal 👏🏼
i used to live in ashgabat lmao.
leader of turkmenistan also built the world’s biggest…
Horse Head Statue,
Architectural Star(?),
indoor ferris wheel,
Largest Lesson of Ecology,
Longest Biking Parade,
“the world's First plant for the production of gasoline from natural gas."
Guinness don't have the authority to verify or adjudicate shit, it's the record equivalent of having your drawing put on the fridge.
3:11 incorrect, the claim is because the super Mario bros world record became a Guinness world record at that time and Guinness uploaded it on their channel which ended up copyrighting hundreds of Mario runs because of how similar they look to the content Id system.
Honestly, you should just make your own "world Record" style of content.
RE: ctrl-shift-T, not completely sure how to fix it, but you can right click next to the minimize button on chrome and select "restore closed tab". (Also check if you have a "Fn" or function key that likes to get toggled on and off, that might've been toggled on by mistake and is kinda common on smaller keyboards o:
guinness origin story was already sus being an alcohol company
They trying to break a record for the faster copyright claim of all time
Ludwig looks SOO much like Fred from Scooby Doo wtf
Just know about this pisses me off even more about my interaction with Guinness World Records. I am a photographer and a few years ago I photographed quite an interesting wildlife interaction. I also had a video that accompanied it that went slightly viral and eventually someone at Guinness World Records contacted me and they have an interest in using my photo in one of their upcoming books. They wanted to use it for free basically. They would not give me a cent for the use of my photo in a book that was going to have several thousand copies produced. I’m a no-name photographer, but as photographers have to really put our foot down when situations like these occur and say no because we don’t want to set a precedent that our work can be used for free. Just hearing that they make millions of dollars off of other things and they can’t pay photographers what they’re rightly owed for the use of their photos in their books just makes me so mad now.
Mogul mail and Ludwig collab is gonna go crazy
Wow a company based on their reputation would never hurt it. How could that happen
trademark and copy right. thats why u see “ reserve rights”
I'm glad Fred Jones gives his two cents on this situation.
what's funny is the record he chose to be like "you could hold a world record tomorrow if you wanted" (the standing on one leg blindfolded one) is actually an incredibly difficult thing to do. if you've never tried it, stand on one leg and close your eyes. it's amazing how quickly you lose balance when you can focus your eyes on an object/horizon
For the Airrack record thing, I seem to remember some video where he said he donated it all.
Oh boy, Mogul is back to deliver us the mail
The kosmic mario speed running situation with Guinness was so much crazier than was mentioned here, and ever since then I have been very anti-Guinness
Going up Mount Fuji with a pogo stick is on a whole other level 💀
3:33 Lud, my elementary school library had an ENTIRE section of these books and they were always so fun to look through, I'm like 7-8 years younger than you but yeah those books were my childhood too, the idea of kids looking online instead of the books hurts my soul😢
It feels like its just way to risky to ever use a companies logo in a thumbnail under the current state of UA-cam.
also it's not legal if the logo and branding is infact copyrighted. Doing a fortnite video saying you broke a record and then putting their logo on the thumbnail without the permission of the rights holder isn't covered by fair use because it's not "Research and study", "review and criticism", or "parody or satire".
The reason is obvious. Companies don't want their branding used in videos that might hurt said branding. Imagine if in inglorious bastards the nazis were drinking starbucks without the permission of starbucks, that could hurt their brand.
I don't know how you are such an engaging youtuber on these Mogul mails. I feel like you would studder way more, but know you have an impressive flow and dialogue throughout.
The ctrl-shift-T could be a problem from a chrome extension that interferes with the command or just a skill issue
I find kind of funny the John Wick movies use the word adjudicator. Kind of fits.
Well no, Instant Pot’s CEO claimed scaling killed the company, but the truth is they just mismanaged their investments and went under because of it.
Mr. Mail bout to go solve mysteries with a stoner, a dog, a genius and a woman
Who's lud
yo that street fighter gameplay in the back was going crazy.
4:30 bro really ignored the best proven voice assistant, Google
In Hbomberguy's video about the roblox sound he goes in depth about how you can buy any world record you want. Guiness isn't some credible body of keeping metrics. It's like the walk of fame, where you can just buy a spot.
Evo punk v haitani in the background. It was a really good set where punk continued to dominate in a 3-0. Congrats to AngryBird who ended up with the W in Grands, he worked so hard and for so long for his moment here. Props to Mena as well, resetting grand finals and coming up short had to have stung, but he was having fun and laughing all the way to the end. Great way to start out SF6, can’t wait to see where it goes from here.
You're the only other person I could find who also caught that in the background haha. SF6 had a really good top 6 overall, really great matches
What I don't get is why they just randomly decided to now with no warning copyright striking videos with their logo when for years they were fine with it like they could've at least warned the UA-camrs quite a rude asshole like thing to do
Mogul Mail and Gothamchess gotta be the best death stare intro of all time.
I cannot wait for Ludwig to get copy strike on this video 😂
Yes! He’s back in his phase of posting on this channel for about a week and then forgetting!🎉
Imagine being such a bad gamer that you need to say you're the best "Marioparty-gamer" there is
One leg blindfolded? I kind of want to do that now, just gotta train balance for a bit
fun fact: guiness first started their business selling beer, and later began publishing world records. if their book sales decline, just make more beer to sell 🤣
They have 2 goals - 1) protect their brand by making it seem like they still do legit records 2) sell pr-stunt-as-a-service
I think its absurd but what can you do, just wait until they start requiring subscriptions to maintain a world record. It kinda throws the validity of their records out the window since its no longer a this is the best someone can do in the world but instead the best someone can do that can afford to pay us to watch them do it, if it was cheap it wouldn't be that big of a deal but 12k-500k is nuts, you could afford to get a much more valuable piece of paper then a world record like a degree from a respected college for 500k.
coming from speedrunning communities, Guinness has been known to be a garbage scam for a long time.
Someone should let Tommy Tallarico know about this. His records could not be legitimate, which would not make his mother very proud.
To be clear A MAIN PART OF THAT AIRACK PIZZA RECORD WAS THE FACT THE PIZZA HAD TO BE EDIBLE, WAS EDIBLE, AND WAS EATEN BY FANS WHO CAME TO SEE HIM WATCH THE VIDEO MY GUY
Going up Mount Fuji by pogo stick is by far the most impressive world record I've heard about
3:30 The scholastic book fair flashback 😂
You can't really blame a company for not wanting people to use their logo. Most companies will have their logos copyrighted and have strict rules about people not being able to use their logo without their permission. The problem is that if people see a brands logo being used then they may think that the video is affiliated with that brand and could cause harm to the company in question.
Honestly, you should just make your own "world Record" style of content.. Fred never disappoints to keep me updated with the current news.
bot; two comments in one
what even is the point of this one lmao
noooo Ludwig is no longer a ventriloquist
I love how there’s just some dude chilling in the back playing games with a soy boy jumper on.
Ludwig I will never forget what you did to those kids back in 09. Such a despicable act will not go unpunished. Ludwig I am coming for you after what you did to those poor children. They will never forget what you did and I will make you never forget me. Be warned
you got the wrong guy bro
You're thinking of Schlatt, and it was back in 99
mb bro it just sounded familiar
here from the stream 👇
Some men are to ashamed to be a "minuteman" but Lud wants his recognition as even faster
Fun fact: Guinness world record has a whole ass book about video games, so yeah you got scammed