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he’s so talented he can pronounce all those words in the first 5 seconds without moving his mouth ❤️
id say the no throat movement is even more impressive, making noise without any vocal chord movement is crazy
i got so confused
I went to restart the video, thought my phone was buggin
yea same
I think it might have been an intentional joke since he said he likes ventriloquism right after lol
Being menacingly stared at by Ludwig as he telepathically communicates with me is pretty pog
Where's Ludwig? I only see my king, Mogul Mail
Ludwig who?
Who is this ludwig guy this is mogul mail
Who is Ludwig, I only see mogul mail
Don’t ever say pog that sentence was so fucking cringe
Technoblade was right when he only streamed on youtube, dude he knew it was the right decision before we all could see it.
They joked about his membership options.. where are they now..
@@agirl824chill out fam 💀💀
I'm pretty sure he realized this because at one point in youtube, streaming was almost a "infinite views glitch"
@@hik12 it was years ago like in 2016 -17.. UA-cam has changed it Algo since
E.d.i.t.h moment
so glad lud and the team are fully aware of the video issue but refuse to do anything about it lmao
He just needs to record to a faster drive, I’m pretty sure. Had this exact issue some time ago and that was the fix.
M.2 SSD or even a regular SSD should fix the problem.
@@expelggbut thats not as funny
I think he actually lost it once and got it back to keep the bit going
He replied to a comment a few days ago saying he doesn't know what's causing it and is too scared to change anything lmao
I don't know anything about cameras or anything so I could he completely wrong but I have a feeling that it started off as an accident but then after everyone goes into the comments and makes jokes about it it just makes positive engagement so he keeps running it
I was really starting to think my screen was freezing at the start of these mogul mails but no he's just an amazing ventriloquist
yup
Hey king sam
Hi why are u here
true
That's still me every time lol
I love how Mogul Mail embraces his ventriloquism
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@@pixed8349nuh uh
I JUST GOT HIS JOKE AT THE BEGNNING TOOK A LOT OF TIME FOR ME LOL
I am determined to watch the last 5-10 seconds of every Mogul Mail just so I can witness Lud awkwardly smile and wave while looking really uncomfortable. Highlight of my day tbh
i’m a sapnap fan and i was disappointed with his move to kick, as was a lot of his community. i’m interested to see how much of his community will follow him over, because so far, not many have. great video lud!
Curious question as you are a Sapnap fan, if he switched to UA-cam instead of Kick, how would you react?
@@mrcy9307not a Sapnap fan but the issue isn’t with switching platforms, it’s with Kick specifically. When you have someone like Adin Ross as the face of your platform, regardless of whether or not that was your intention, it doesn’t tend to make people want to support you.
Adin Ross is not the "face of Kick". He's also somewhat of a garbage human being, and CHOOSES not to moderate his chat there, letting them fly off the handle like what was shown. This would happen in any other massive streams if not moderated properly either. There are plenty of moderation tools available, and very wholesome community streams on Kick currently, just like there are STILL unmoderated and downright hateful streams on Twitch as well. Neither of those are the majority, but they exist.@@UnuUO
@@bigbadjohn128 he absolutely is, even if the platform doesn’t intend him to be. I would wager that when the majority of people who don’t watch Kick hear something about its streamers, the first person that comes to mind is Adin Ross, even if his community is just a vocal minority (which it isn’t, it’s quite large).
Did it occur to any of sapnap’s community that by signing sapnap, Kick was attempting to change the general demographic of the viewers on their website? Sapnap and his community seem amazing, and would have been a huge force to push against the vitriol that comes out of Aiden’s streams. They might have even had the power to push kick into increasing general moderation rules.
Instead they all gave up on Sapnap and kick and made judgements instead of making improvements.
Getting sapnap has got to be one of the best deals stake/kick has done, get them kids gambling young, make it shiny with loot boxes, have them take mom's credit card
Twitch puts just as much pool and hot tub and gambling in front of kids at kick does. And kick has a button you can click to turn those categories off from ever showing up again
@@LeviAckermn1907 twitch banned gambling did it not? which is the whole reason kick exists
Don't mobile games already do that.
Sapnap can introduce them to hatespeech young 🥰
Right, because gambling isn't something that is existent throughout all of life, it's only available on kick
Ludwig’s English major allowed him to speak so clearly without even moving his lips, simply incredible.
Edit: Guys, I can't believe I've accidentally mistaken the well-known and respectable journalist Mogul Mail for Ludwig, my utmost apologies to whomever this comment had offended.
Whats a "ludwig" thats Mogul Mail.
Who is "Ludwig"
Harvard of the southwest
without moving anything at all!his background even stands still whilst hes talking,its truly incredible
Who the hell is this "Ludwig" guy lol this is Mogul Mail. You guys have some kinda Mandela effect going on?
i think sapnap is kind of missing the point. It’s impossible to argue whether kick has more or less hate speech then twitter. _But_ Kick is a small ecosystem with only a few top streamers and the main face of the brand whose been directly supported and propped up by Kick does things like interview (that one nazi guy I forget his name and tbh its not worth remembering) and fosters a transphobic, homophobic, and racist community. Twitter does also support racist people but it’s much larger with lots of independent insular communities and that change is honestly fairly recent, and lots of other types of communities were able to get their own footing before that happened. with kick, since it’s known for being the “based” twitch, the vast majority of its userbase are the kind of people you wouldnt want in ur chat as a normal well adjusted person
very well said!
Pretty smart take! (I think it’s Tubbo who said these things in response to sapnap’s move )
There's literally no point to be made. If you see people in your chat that you don't want there you can just ban them. If you don't like certain streamers and the way they act then just don't watch them. If you don't want to see gambling/sexual content then you can literally push a button to get rid of all of that content. There's no reason sapnap's streams would be any different than they would be on twitch or yt. It's all just overblown nonsense by oversensitive kids.
@@annieone-trick oh ya my bad ur right
@@nighthawk2548 the issue isn’t for if sapnap or tubbo moved communities imo. It’s more for somebody with little to no community making the choice if theyre going to start streaming on Kick (since it is better for creators purely from the monetization angle) or Twitch. If you’re trans and you try to start streaming on Kick it’s just going to be objectively worse than Twitch as far as community building goes. You’re not going to have automods and a team of mods to kick people. You probably won’t even be able to get out of the sub 100 viewer elo hell with follow mode on bc u need to make engagement easy so even if u kick people spanning slurs they’ll just come back. And since the kick user base in general largely just wants you to die on principle it’s just going to be shitty. I agree if a big streamer moves sites it’s not like their community is going to change much on kick unless kick handles chat moderation differently. But it still does have an effect on the site as a whole.
My main point is that it’s impossible to objectively quantify the culture of a site but we can make inferences off of how Kick is being run. And they’re putting their full support into streamers who interview nazis and have a chat filled w the hard r and death threats. You can tell what the overall culture of the site is from that.
Like Dan Olsen said, "If you compete with a monolith, the first people to jump on board will be the people who were tossed off the other ship".
Letting Charlie drop his contract to have the flexibility of streaming on other sites is a rare Twitch W.
Dad left all of these bots (it’s finally finished)
Personally I'm cynical of this decision. I think that Twitch understands that Charlie has a lot of sway in the online community, many people respect his opinion (rightly so, he's level headed and not motivated out of malice). I think they've made this decision to keep him on side, and not out of any benevolent intent.
His contract ran out did it not? They can't force him to renew. They didn't "let" him do anything.
thats not how contracts work
@@NicoDoesLPcharlie said in his video that he had a lot of time left on his contract, and that both him and Twitch agreed to terminate his contract early to allow him to have more flexibility. Twitch could have said no and kept him stuck on their platform until it expired, but they let him leave before his contract was up.
so happy that ludwig continues to practice his ventriloquism skills ❤ he's getting so good!
You mean Mogul Mail
@Kai_V mogul mail is run by ludwig
@@patar00Do not spread lies.
@@patar00 Don't spread misinformation
Ludwig is a good friend of Mogul Mail
@@patar00 (it's a running joke on this channel that lud and mogul mail are different people)
Everyone’s talking about how talented Ludwig is at talking without moving his mouth. But bros so humble, he forgot to mention his wave at the end. In those 10 seconds, soooo much information was communicated. Those last seconds were more meaningful than the first minutes.
Truth. He really made is point clear in those 10 seconds, it changed the entire tone of the video for me. Profound.
Who's Ludwig? This is Mogul Mail *Duh*
@@shiningstarcaper oops ma-bad
Kick seems to be forcing their way to the top by getting large streamers on their website, and (seemingly) not focusing on anything else. It's giving me Mixer vibes in that way, I'm a bit worried this plan will fail if they keep pushing.
The difference is that Mixer just assumed all they needed to do was bring over big streamers and the fans would follow. Kick is doing a lot to appeal to smaller creators as well naturally, beyond signing the big streamers. Mixer showed 0 growth in 2 years, while Kick is already showing large growth quarter over quarter.
what else is there to focus on lol the entire business is the streamers
I would say its rather that hateful creators finally have a more mainstream platform to spread hate with now, as Twitch has shown not to support such creators anymore, but I agree that it feels like Mixer all over again, only difference being that Kick has infinite money glitch attached to it while Mixer was just another midnight purchase by Microsoft to see if they can get a huge platform
Still shocked that this “PenguinZ0” guy really let some random Twitch Streamer “Moistcritikal” take his channel for streaming
Just like “big guy” and “schlatt” in ‘99…
at least Mogul respects Lud, sometimes at least 😂
When will these livestreaming sites understand they have to pick a lane? Kick could just keep on being the "cool, edgy streaming platform," but no, in the pursuit of maximum viewership we're now going to bring a bunch of kids to a site that seems completely unmoderated, as if that isn't an inherently stupid idea
It isn't 'completely unmoderated' streamers have the ability to have their own chats how they like it. I don't see what the problem is
it is moderated, I've seen tons of corn streams being shut down within 5 minutes and where streamers start getting too spicy you'll see kick mods show up and tell them to stop. i remember once seeing a latina girl stop playing with herself and panicking because she couldnt understand what kick mod wrote in english and she muted herself and presumably called her manager 😂😂😂
nevertheless if you do nothing your channel will get 404'ed until you talk to kick staff and if necessary your vod removed, something twitch aint bothering in doing.
@@silverhawkroman the fact that she wasn't banned instantly for playing with herself on stream is proof enough that moderation is far too relaxed
Could be worse they could come to a site that promotes child labor… and to pretend that there isn’t a huge section for porn on twitch is ridiculous
@@silverhawkroman What do you mean, "something twitch aint bothering in doing"? Are you trying to imply that a latina can play with herself on stream, ignore twitch staff and not be banned, or what?
People seem to not understand that Kick will eventually, if it gets popular enough, change how it’s ran to match the cost demand. Mainly, the freedom to say and do whatever you want will slowly evaporate to appease advertisers. This path is unavoidable for any platform that wants to be taken seriously amongst the current giants.
In my opinion, strict guidelines when it comes to the protection of marginalized groups and a big incentive to demonize most stupid behavior is the few good these corporate conglomerates get right.
They don’t do it because they have good morals. Advertisers know that if they don’t do this they can start boycott trends on social media or they won’t be able to sell to certain minorities. This is purely a case of voting with your dollar. Your purchasing power extends to social issues as well
kick doesn't have to appease advertisers because it's funded by stake to promote gambling
kick doesnt have to do anything, all the money they make gets funneled directly back into their own businesses, the platform is quite literally what you would think an ideal streaming platform is, yet everyone just shits on it because of hivemind loser mentality.
Bro they are funded by gambling and you can still stream porn.
They do not care
Yeah sure, It's not like the algos incentivize racism, misogyny and bigotry, or anything.
Just in case anyone is confused about the link between kick and stake. The Alfa Romeo F1 team’s main sponsor is stake but when f1 goes to countries with anti gambling laws the cars stake ads all turn into kick ads. The companies are pretty heavily linked together
twitch still allows gambling and doesn’t have settings to turn it off like kick what about it?
I’m not surprised a platform run by a gambling company is an unmoderated lawless cesspool.
calm down lil bro😭
@@user-tp2dd8is2k you seem triggered? do you work for stake?
@@user-tp2dd8is2k I have no issue with gambling but they’re not the type of people who like rules and regulations especially when the entire website is illegal in the CEO and founder’s home country.
yeah it’s awesome
waching Kick for 5moutnh ant i dont whana this site bocome beta twich site
Glad that Tubbo said it, this is what I had been thinking. xqc was mad that he was being called out and not everyone was unanimously supporting his move to kick. Him and some others were calling anybody who said anything jealous... but you can't really deny that taking a 9 figure deal and moving to a platform like that with a young viewer base is bound to get you some side eyes
tbf im sure 90% of people wouldnt say no to a 9 figure deal even if youre already making 7/8 figures and like many people have said twitch has some questionable morals too altough i also think that most of the critique kick has gotten is fair (besides honestly the gambling thing but thats a big discussion and i also think that changes should be made to how gambling is done on the internet but that also doesnt mean that there isnt a place for it)
@@Brandon-vd7erOoo you just love saying slurs don’t you? Welp enjoy kick and 4chan since you clearly can’t handle being in society without whining and crying about censorship.
@@miquelmoorrees6010tubbos stream was mostly about sapnap and why he moved to kick (as they are in the same community) and Tubbo read sapnaps statement witch was pretty stupid and Tubbo just said it would’ve been easier to just say it was for the money
@@Brandon-vd7er its crazy you want a space for people to literally spam about killing black people, gay people, and Jews all in one
Glad that he said what, a bunch of lies? "Black people are unsafe on kick" are you serious? Every streamer moderates their own chat just like on twitch, adin ross and his wild ass viewers streaming on the same platform won't hurt anyone (unless he specifically hate raids someone which he hasn't), same as his viewers didn't hurt anyone while he was on twitch.
Think the toxic and intimidating audience Kick has cultivated stems straight back to its first big users. Adin, Trainwrecks, XQC etc. The behavior of W community streamers and their chats has always been on the edge of, if not entirely, toxicity. I mean Adin is directly linked to Andrew Tate. So the fact that Kick started out with those people and those communities, obviously will set a tone for the platform and who is drawn to it, to either stream or view. If Kick wants to change and be an place for EVERYONE then its going to have to start clamping down on the behavior of some of its founding communities... which I dont see them doing. They're people pleasers, and the last thing they want to to upset their biggest benefactors.
Isn’t Trainwrecks one of the founders?
@@razzamatrazz34 I believe so, but he still uses the platform so I just grouped him in with the first streamers. Still, it just pushes the fact that even the foundations of the platform are built on audiences of that ilk
Twitch made people scared to say the word simp without getting banned. You cant even joke about anything on twitch, Freedom of speech has consequences but that's why kick exist. You can be yourself. Moderate your OWN chat. Build the community YOU want. You get the sponsorships and ad deals you want. As a viewer a 3min ad is making me turn that stream off. If you're to scared to talk on an issue and not be true to your audience that's a problem
@@toastedbarrel204 you make a good point. I'm in no way saying Twitch is good. It sucks. The changes they've made has made it extremely difficult to build or even keep an audience whilst also squeezing the income so much that its not even worth trying.
Twitch isn't a good platform for streaming anymore.
But I can't say that Kick is much better. Of course it has the amazing offer for pay deals, and the points you make. But the the freedom for limited moderation just makes it a melting pot for anyone to say anything and do anything without consequences... which clearly invites internet trolls and degenerates from these communities to run rampant. So it's just a threatening environment atm, and I think many people are waiting for that to change before they jump in.
How do you not feel ashamed that your fans are constantly talking about murder in your chat, oh wait its adin ross, he can't feel shame.
Murder, what he killed someone or you just hate the guy and just making shit up
So long as Aidan Ross remains the face of Kick, I will not give them the time of day.
u are part of the problem
I would definitely agree on Kick not being generally a "safe" place to stream or chat on, considering the downright batshit insane stuff that goes on there, with several incidents related to Adin Ross and xQc, although Kick would definitely be a great starter point for beginner full-time streamers who want to get a good start, although personally I wouldn't stay there for long, and eventually maybe transfer to either Twitch or UA-cam when I have a decently large fanbase that's ok with change
Start there and be forever associated with the gamba hate speech platform 🤗
@@AlleonoriCat well if kick and their streamers get their shit together that could change
@@voidcre497 I honestly think that's not their goal. Their goal is to be anti-twitch and allow everything you can't do on twitch to attract people who feel that twitch restricts them too much. I think it will be like that and at some point down the road they will try and pull something like tumblr banning porn and it will be the end of them.
oh noooo it's not a safespace I'm just tired this bullshit mentality.
@@AlleonoriCattwitch is full of hate speech. Ever heard of hasan?
Im just happy that you are still on youtube and not on some morally shady streaming website.
'morally shady' 🤓
@@yungpenaldo78OP ain't lying dude. Kick as a whole is a streaming platform created just to funnel people to Stake.
@@yungpenaldo78" "morally shady" 🤓" 🤓
@@vamshibhat""morally shady🤓"🤓"🤓
Lmao
A saying I’ve seen a few times in my life “You can say ‘all are welcome’ but if wolves and sheep are both welcome you’re only going to get wolves” and kick from an outside perspective seems like a lot of wolves
Ya, the only reason I personally haven't even visited kick is due to the stigma surrounding it's community. If kick actually care about moderation and making the website as safe for everyone as possible like they claim they do, they gotta try *way* harder than they do now. I see way too many screenshots from not only Adin's chat, but other streamers as well, and there are walls of hate speech and death threats being slung at multiple minority groups
Got a list? Most streams I watch have their own mods that mod their chats and ban people for hate speech. Its all up to the creator and how they want their chat to be. I can go find you screenshots of hate speech on twitch as well because its a single moment in time that hate speech is said. Maybe its people making accounts to say hate speech to screenshot and spread negativity before its removed by mods? It seems a lot of people have a negative opinion on something that they haven't even went and looked first hand. I'm Canadian and hear Americans are dumb doesn't mean imma apply that to all Americans and leave it at that, I'll meet a bunch and realize that only the ones viral and in the spotlight are usually not the brightest putting a stigma on all Americans.
Yeah, I used to watch xqc sometimes. But no way in hell am I gonna watch on Kick.
@@fifi_lurksthat tells me you're not around for much, ive been following the hot tubs section for the past four months almost daily and it does get regulated. kick mods show up to tell you to stop and straight up corn gets 404'ed within 5 minutes.
i often see streamers who get too spicy get 404ed and vod removed if necessary.
some girls change how much they spice it up, after a while they get less and less spicy. kick was a mess half year ago but now its waaaay more moderated. give it some hope please, rome wasnt built in a day!!!
Individual streamers can moderate their chat, just like on twitch so I'f you don't like what a streamer lets them say blame the streamer for the lack of moderation, and watch someone who does Kick admins / Tos don't need to be involved
you could also mention how sapnap’s mods (who don’t get paid a dime) didn’t know anything about the kick switch and now they are gonna have to work overtime to keep hate speech out of chat
Kick not having done enough to moderate chats is an understatement, it's not just the chats, it's the creators like Adin themselves who are openly racist and bigoted and show gambling or p*rn on stream, while being promoted as the faces of the platform
i propose you act more honestly to make people take you seriously. Its like saying tate is openly a rapist human trafficker. The beliefs are fine, but saying it's "openly" as if they said it or as if they agree makes you instantly sound like someone that has a valueless opinion as they are just lying or at best being so hyperbolic their statements shouldn't be taken seriously.
@@Juble-rk3pt mate, there are LITERALLY endless clips of specifically Adin Ross laughing out loud at, and not even trying to stop, his fans saying the N-word on stream and making racist jokes in his "comedy night"
nice try tho
so dont watch those creators lol
@@Juble-rk3ptAdin Ross literally streamed porn knowing minors are in his chat
@@Weeniehutnurse I never denied that. If so thats probably bad, but at the same time minors see porn all the time so it doesn't seem like the biggest deal.
That Kick leader had a terrible response to Tubbo. Thats the LAST type of response you want to have for such a serious issue. Basically enforcing peoples beliefs that Kick isn't a safe place and probably never will be.
The problem with those “uncensored” services is that no one wants to go on them bc it’s a bad time
Yeah, it only takes like 2 minutes before you think, "Well, this negativity is depressing, and all this hate is annoying." and it only takes a flick and a tap to close kick and open up UA-cam again.
No, nobody wants to go on them because nobody ever makes an “uncensored” version of something that doesn’t already exist and is already very popular. If Kick was the very first streaming site and was uncensored, it still would have become popular. People just don’t like moving to new services.
Imagine if a competitor to Discord came out, like Guilded, that was better in every single way. Discord literally steals features from this competitor, then makes them worse somehow and Nitro only. Objectively, switching platforms would be the best option. What are the chances that you and your friends change off of Discord? 0% chance. It’s never happening. Not because the other platform isn’t better, but because you’re already on Discord, and changing platforms is annoying.
I’m not saying kick is better than Twitch, just that even if it *was*, still barely anybody would switch.
@@Daktyl198 You must be pretty young, people change platforms all the time. I wouldn't bet on Discord sticking around forever. Heard AIM? Skype? Teamspeak? That being said, I don't want to see a move to kick since it's a shithole like 4chan.
@@darksider7162the internet is filled with the remains of once popular sites replaced with newer, better services, yeah
@@Daktyl198this hypothetical is useless. Discord came out and was better than Skype and teamspeak in every way, and EVERYONE switched to it. Your analogy just doesn't hold up.
Specifically on sapnaps community its clearly not safe for them, adin ross for instance did a foul call out towards them and there has been one or two terrible chat messages in sapnaps chat considering hes only streamed twice. me personally would love to support him on kick since its something new and exciting but when it runs the risk of hate speech being shoved down your throat it can feel sickening even opening the app. I hope kick can fix it in the long run bc its clear their AI moderation isn't working all too well but i doubt i can see a change any time soon.
it’s just adins dark humour between him and his chat how does that affect the platform as a whole?😂
@bengton a direct callout that included transphobic regards is just dark humour? maybe to you but as a trans person myself it was hurtful, but maybe we're just not on the same path. and I never said adins comment will effect the app directly, those were two separate points I was making, adins comment can/will effect sapnaps growth on kick because it makes his community feel unsafe and makes them not want to join the app even more knowing they aren't welcome on there and can run the risk of being hate crimed.
@@goopyguy21 please explain to me how a chat on kick will lead to real life hate crimes god damn there is no hope left for the chronically online😹
@@bengton actually forget the old one, I appogise for my wording, what I meant was hate speech can be shared online which it is then common for that to advance to irl hate crimes, hence why social sites esp ones that are trying to get big need correct moderation so they can get rid of and ban/lock accounts that share this hate speech, apps as an example are UA-cam, twitch and twitter that have this report system to stop situations like this, but unfortunately kick does not have this system yet, which is why I was saying I hope it can get fixed soon
@@goopyguy21 You cannot Dm on kick, all that needs to happen is proper chat moderation and none of the edgy other content creators matter to an insulated community. Yes transphobic jokes are still jokes and tend to be dark in nature. something offending people does not disqualify it as a joke, it just means you have to pick your jokes depending on the people listening. I have made racist jokes, as long as they aren't malicious, or at someone that gets offended it remains a harmless joke. Most jokes offend people, its just they don't use it on those that are likely to get offended. To be frank, just don't engage in adin ross' community and you don't see the mean shit you don't like. I also don't partake in jokes that make me feel bad. Its common sense and everyone should do so.
I think the problem with Kick isn't just that they are not good enough at making creators moderate their chats, etc, but that being unmoderated is how they sold themselves as a platform. They are actively recruiting creators banned elsewhere for unhinged stuff and have profiled themselves the entire time as an absolute free speech platform. The first thing that happened when Kick went live was that people went into chats and spammed the N-word over and over. The fact that people are now trying to pretend this is not the case because Kick pays them tons of money from all the gambling addicts they've bled dry, really doesn't change the fact that this is who they have always tried to be. They've never wanted moderation and they don't want to change.
People moving to kick for a simple reason: They think Kick is gonna die like Mixer so they're ok going there for a year or two, get the massive bag of cash and coming back to twitch once it close.
As a viewer, I enjoy watching streams on yt SOOOOOO much better.
I find it easier to view smaller and more niche streams on YT that wouldn't even show up for me on Twitch. I feel like if you put a lot of effort in to your channel YT has the better tools to grow.
Especially for me, I have an incredibly poor internet connection, so Twitch streams ALWAYS have to buffer for me. UA-cam's compression is probably the best there is and I've never had an issue watching a YT stream.
Couldn’t agree more with both of you 👍
@@voigtoi find this interesting bc ive seen a lot of people say it and idk where yall are looking, but ive never seen a youtube stream that i didnt seek out at all, much less one from a smaller creator, but on twitch i can find hundreds of small streamers constantly recommended to me, and even more when i look through games/categories i like
I don’t watch streams much, but yes, UA-cam streams are so much easier and nicer to watch. Less ads and it runs more smoothly. Gotta love it.
I honestly feel like this kick thing isn’t gonna go well. It’s sad that creators that have younger audiences like for example sapnap is basically promoting kick by switching. I think kick really needs to think about safety and filters before handing out these contracts to people with younger audiences.
I don't think it'll change. I remember Train said Kick is a "free speech" platform
Streamers are open to moderate their chat just the same as they did on Twitch. People just see the worst toxic streamers and apply that to all streamers of that platform but why not when they were on twitch first? Twitch still has gambling streams and hot tub streams now what site allows you to hide them? What site removed Hot tub and gambling streams than brought it back because of backlash?
@@fifi_lurks they have to if they wanna grow as a website.
@@yololoyo7379it is free speech, average twitch user lmao
As the other guy down here said, people can moderate their chats the same way they could before. If anything I’d argue Kick has done better than Twitch in certain ways to have kids avoid bad content by being able to hide the hot tub streams and gambling.
Tubbo is such a good kid 😭😭
I just assume anyone who signs with kick is the worst kind of person and is bigoted in a dozen different ways
If the most wholesome person ever signed with them im just going to assume that there going to be taken a new edgier approach
That’s an extremely shallow opinion to have. Should I make an assumption about your entire life based solely on your name basically saying “dick lord”? Who’s “edgy” now?
that doesn't even make any sense
There should be other options for streaming buuut rumble and kick are so sketchy. I honestly give a sideeye to any creators that move there, especially the ones that are popular with kids. We need reputable places
@@Renko-510Real
@@Renko-510im so tired of this fake deep "no ethical consumption" bullshit. there's a difference between a platform that openly supports and uplifts dangerous and hateful rhetoric and one that doesn't
Selective outrage.
Kick and Rumble hasn't done anything bad that Twitch hasn't done either......you're just picking and choosing what to be mad at.
@@Renko-510rumble is pretty much just a den of nazis, though.
peter thiel and j.d. vance? come on.
Twitter situation may have gotten worse over the last few months, but i think you can still find your safe space pretty easily, which is not the case with Kick.
Umm wtf are you smoking most creators on kick are fine Elon unbanned a person sharing CP get a life
Agreed, I might get the occasional "content I don't want", but I press I'm not interested and done, will never see anything about that anymore.
it literally is. The duty of moderation is on the streamer at kick. All the streamer has to do is moderate their chat at a basic level and its better than tqitch since it has no dms so there isn't a method around the moderation like on the other sites.
The silence at the end as Lud waves for like 10 seconds
the stuff I have seen on kick wasn't bad. I found an old man streaming minecraft and him and his chat were wholesome.
yall dont get it, Ludwig is just making sure we're aware of our bandwidth speed and making sure we check it once in a while
I think that not only Kick, but also streamers should be responsible for their chat. If you, as a streamer, allow hate speech, you are part of the problem. Not just the platform itself imo.
That is why Adin got banned from Twitch because his chat was filled with unhinged hate speech which he refused to moderate.
IS the platform problem too when they sign a streamer as problematic as all those scumbags
You want to be responsible for what a bunch of people you know nothing about, message in your chat. Lol. Good luck with that.
@@GigiRuffa you have complete control of what can or can't be said in twitch chat through the use of bots and twitch itself
@@GigiRuffadon't you know how streaming works? That's why people have moderators, bots, members only chat and filters...
13:10 Legends says he still waving till this day
The problem with youtube livestreaming, at least for me, is that it's ridiculously hard to know when someone is live if you don't have notifications on, which I'm pretty sure most people don't.
I only ever know if someone is live if it shows up on my main page whenever I open youtube or, if for some reason, I look at the tiny little spot where the subscriptions list sits on and they just so happen to be on the 7 first places which is also placed in alphabetical order.
It is so difficult to find out who's live on youtube that I still don't know how to search for livestreams here except typing "LIVE" on the damn search bar.
Even the EXPLORE section has "Trending", "Music", "Sports", "Gaming" and "Movies".
All this to say that, if there's a place in youtube to let us search only livestreams in a manner that doesn't give me an aneurysm faster than I get the results I want, I have yet to find it.
I feel like having adin ross as a cover guy is only gonna hurt them more and more as time goes on. Like it was bad at the begining, but he was a big streamer who helped them make their point against twitch, so it was fine. But now that they're trying to expand to the minecraftsphere, it's gonna get much worse. Obviously sapnap will moderate his chat himself, but his mod team is unpaid. If he gets raided its not gonna end well. Though id assume kick has its own form of sub only? Id hope. But with some of the streamers on kick it doesnt fill me with hope. I dont watch streams anymore, only watched one streamer and hes gone now, so doesnt effect me either way, but its a massive industry and i hope this will get better
That's the most probable outcome to all this. The fact that they're barely even taking a stance or any action towards stopping (or at least moderating) hate speech on their platform will only allow weirdos to thrive on there even more, which means it's only gonna get worse from now on. I hope those baby streamers from the hourly revenue program will be able to keep their careers going afterwards, because even if a big streamer like Sapnap goes through a bad phase, he can easily recover from it. They might have a much harder time, and if this keeps going the way it's been going, then Kick will crumble on itself like a card tower.
0:01 i thought my computer gone to blue screen lol.
in my opinion it'd be weird to sign up to kick right now as any creator, with the 95/5 splits and 0 ads the platform is insustainable and alongside it's horrible reputation (partially due to the major streamers they have signed being... not so cool), it just seems really unappealing. Eventually they will change the platform to bring in money and when those changes happen and if the image has improved then MAYBE I'd consider it a good streaming platform to consider. That is just a random person's take though
It’s made sustainable because the entire platform is backed by a massive gambling company. They’ve got tons of replenishing money to throw at big creators, and in turn they’re hoping they will contribute to adding new life long gamblers to the pool.
I doubt it’s as worth it for starting creators in general. It’s essentially the same way on Twitch where things become more worth it once you’re able to make advertising contracts.
@@_indigo_inked ive heard that point before but in my mind the amount of people who will become hooked on gambling would never be enough to finance the absurd split and lack of ads, right? it just doesnt check out for me, anyway.
@@orkazzz2733 Fair enough. I won’t pretend like I know how much money it takes for these major sites to run. Waaaay more than i could hope to see in my life. Plus there’s no shot I can predict the turn over or acquisition rates of gamblers Stakes would be depending on without research.
I was throwing in a guess, but yeah you’re point is just a valid and possible for the site. To me, it seems like there’s the potential for sustainability for their major creators, but probably not as much opportunity for anyone who falls below that.
@@orkazzz2733it's going to be sustained by the amount of kids that get into gambling. There's a reason why stake gave so much money to xqc prior his move to kick. He was paid millions but stake earned wayyyy more by getting children in gambling on stake.
Appreciate the long farewell in the end.
Amazon bought Twitch for 270 million. Kick paying more than 1/3rd of that to a creator, irrespective of their size should be seen as a waste of investor funds(something these startups are known for)
970 million you mean*
It was 970 million and back in 2014 when the streaming space was much smaller
what investors bud
There is also a 4th group of people on Kick which are the people who just want to stream TV series or anime but will get flagged if they do it on YT or Twitch
Honestly, genius idea to watch stuff with friends
With the way streaming services like Netflix are pivoting to anti-consumer/pro-shareholder policies this is entirely ethical. Plus it's not like Netflix pays actors or screenwriters anyway, hence the strikes.
@@voigtoI mean, you can think it is ethical, it is still illegal and entirely in the right of the companies whose legally copyrighted material being distributed to sue the platform of Kick and the creators doing these illegal streams. It is just a good way to essentially brick your platform by having a dozen different giant media companies sue you at once for streaming their various shows and movies, killing the site for some "ethical" practice of protest against their actions, which actually does nothing to help the striking workers as the companies will get even more money suing Kick.
Which only works because Kick is so small that copyright holders don't care (yet)
Yo Lud you should really make a video on how you would improve the livestreaming experience on UA-cam.
I personally really like using UA-cam as a all in one app I do watch some UA-cam streams but I would like to see the platform grow more in the stream side
Helluva way to get the most rewatched part to be the first 5 seconds. Mogul Moves.
9:49
This feels bad actually.
If a *founder's best response to criticism is whataboutism* then you know to limit your expectations in fixing said criticisms.
whataboutism isnt inherently a bad thing though, it can actually be a good thing if it actually has heavy relation to the topic.
person 1: look at xqc's streams its so wholesome spamming xqcL. that must mean kick is friendly and inviting!
person 2: well what about adin ross streams? his chat is very toxic and harmful to groups and people so that musn't be accurate.
u uploaded as soon as i got my food ready and was looking for a youtube video. Couldnt be a more perfect timing then this 😂
Literally all UA-cam has to do is make 3 separate tabs (Shorts, Videos, and Streaming).. you click on what you're trying to watch, and it takes you to that page/window that's set up specifically for that view type. Guess that's to big of a big brain idea though 😂
I forgot how braindead ludwigs fanbase is about Kick before clicking in this video. Dear god the comments😢 congrats sapnap
They are willing to spend hundreds of millions of dollars because they want the next generations gambling money.
If this was true why would they have an easy to get to way of hiding casino and hot tub streams that twitch doesnt even have?
@1WithTheDark cause it's a good PR move and they know most people won't bother doing it.
This way they can deny all the accusations while having little negative impact from it.
@@1WithTheDark xqc is not going to sleep with you kid
Fr. Twitch is just a wholesome website and bezos is a great guy who really everyone can trust.
@badbunny371 and pokimane won't sleep with you kid.... (I don't even watch xqc)
I knew the ltt drama was big but I didn't expect to reach a point where I would see it on the side of a video from Mogul Mail on twitter trending.
I don't think I've seen such a bad like/dislike ratio on an ltt video before until today. It's 50/50
@@AltraHapiwhat video?
The Ludwig freeze frame has just become a staple of mogul mail at this point
the way that none of these comments are talking about the actual video but just talking about his ventriloquism
Great to know Mogul Mail is back in the ventriloquism scene!
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Only a true american like Ludwig could say "Go for your dream even it means being a little evil!" and "it's cool if millionaires get money if they do cool shit with it!"
You dont know how much i like the awkward goodbyes of your videos
I love when I hear Ludwig's disembodied voice in my head
8:50 tubbo based view
Im still a bit sus of Kick for a multitude of reasons, but they sure have made their mark on the streaming sphere and will be interesting to see where the platform will be in one or two years
I have hard time believing those stake guys thought a streaming platform is a good business venture. It's obviously there to funnel people to stake.
@@jellytwins1018even then this great threat to twitch will put some peppers in their butts so they can start thinking for once
"weebfox" kill me ☠️
You should make a like weekly news series or something I feel like you would be good at it
Dude I love that trick where he doesn't move in the beginning of his videos! Never gets old
its crazy to me that ludwig talks about the hate speech in adin's chat, but not about the awful things that adin ross has said himself.
Love the 2am uploads
11:49 thats what they said in his day too 😮
i like when he says ventriloquism he immediately drops the ventriloquism, this man can do anything
"We want people to think of us when they think of streaming" dont worry, we do but its not in a good way. The fact they didnt ban a guy that SA a woman on stream, it doesnt look good for PR
We will always be moist no matter where Charlie streams
The deleted part he's talking about:
ua-cam.com/video/AOg5JNc9efk/v-deo.html
Ludwig must master the Gothamchess opening stare to avoid the freeze frames
the end KEKW
Honestly at this point I fully believe Kick is going to become an adult only streaming service with little moderation. Hopefully it works out for the best though
I hope so.. there shouldn't be much moderation tbh.
There are channels I watch that have the same moderation as twitch. They have normal mods like a twitch chat that bans and censors the chat to the creators liking.
which would be a terrible thing for sapnap, large majority of his fanbase are minors
I think if they changed it to make the adult content opt-in instead of opt-out, you'd see a big improvement. They have a chance to do what twitch should've done, allowing adult content to thrive while keeping it separated enough from your main content base that it's not going to interfere with a younger users experience or annoy people who simply aren't interested in that content. This notion that a site has to be just for adults or just for kids is what's ruining content creation, the platforms should simply be doing a better job at distributing content to the demographic it was meant for
@@colbyley7008exactly
so proud that mr. mail can do ventriloquism so well, ludwig could never
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Kicks chat reminds me of early 2010s Internet
Ludwigs passion being ventriloquism and simultaneously looking like a puppet makes sense.
I love tubbo man what a guy
i get wanting to go fulltime and using kick as that opportunity, but dont quit your day job, this deal they have cant last, same thing with the 95/5 split, its a ticking time bomb. If you can benefit from it without hurting your life/lifestyle, you should try it and go for it, but getting rid of your safety of a ticking time bomb like kick, isn't going to be worth it, and will set you back rather than set you forward.
I really loved when you put jesus switching to youtube on your thumbnail but didn't even mention it post editing, that was really educational and insightful🥰🥰🥰
Eddie Craven's father was arrested and bankrupted after his involvement in the the collapse of the Spedley Group. Now that he's an adult, Eddie has been involved in a number of businesses with his father. And then there's Stake - a company that can't do business in Australia, but operates Curacao, a country that is exempt from Australian money-laundering laws. The company has received a lot of scrutiny by Australia media and politicians, and none of it good. Everyone seems to be in agreement that the company only really exists because of loopholes in legislation, and that it should be shut down immediately. And consider the fact that Eddie isn't even 30 and he's worth billions.
I think we can put 2 & 2 together to figure out how Kick can sign these guys on and grow without advertising. And I think we can figure out where this will inevitably lead...
Honestly the reason why I see Sapnap moved to Kick is because he wishes to move away from a large majority of his fan base and wants to be accepted by a more mature audience where gambling, s3x, and 18+ topics can be very openly talked about without the minor crowd dragging him through the mud on twitter every time. He wants to move away from the Minecraft streamer he grew famous for and be accepted by a call of duty type lobby. And honestly I don't think his fan base is even going to follow him over to kick because of the moderation problems. They're going to get hate from someone in the chat and Sapnap isn't going to defend the person cause he wants them gone, he's just not going to say it. So once he's forgotten from his minecraft days he gets what he wants which is a more mature fanbase.
NGL having minecraft audience is one of the worst jobs ever, it is like running a day care, but you have thousands of kids at once
guys come quick, more mogul mail just dropped
Excellent ventriloquism bit in the intro, just gotta say.
Man, the honking Doom music fits wells
I think part of the problem is the fact that the communities on kick are more unhinged and don't give a damn about what they're saying, I feel that IF they manage to get alot more family friendly content creators, while not perfect, however I do think that side would get watered down alot more and be less noticable, I do think there needs to be more moderation, I get it's meant to be an open website however where's the limit
Lud has been practicing his ventriloquism again, you’re getting really good.
I think one of that youtube won't make it in streaming aside from many problems is that they locked the pop-up function to be only accessible to premium.
That intro got me LMAO
Thank you for mentioning the lack of content moderation.
These changes seem to be great for smaller streamers, and I think with time Kick will become less bigoted. That being said it does seem to be a great option for aspiring streamers.
I was pondering that even with these advantages Kick will offer for small streamers, how does the all-mighty Twitch Prime compare to all of it? Would it still be more advantageous to try and make it on Twitch because of that juicy Prime money? I doubt Kick will have a product like that any time soon...
Additionally, Kicks moderation is questionable, but to me, that seems to be a problem that is solved with time.
we need dat unhinged back
Im impressed with how long that outrow wave was.