The Toronto Raptors PERFECT Offseason! What Does It Look Like? | NBA Ideal Offseason
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What do you guys wanna see from Toronto this offseason?
Edey
@@gordonketch7844 Y’all just want all the Canadians on this team 😂.
@@_AVC_ no Edey is underrated and proving it at the combines
@@gordonketch7844 I agree he is being underrated, I just find it funny how many comments are asking for Canadian players on the team haha.
Resign OG to 40-45 mil and be a playoff team that’s fun to watch
Grady dick really developed this year, half way through the year they rebuilt his routine and game, and his second half stats show where his at more, hes 3 ball shot is there and has other intangibles emerging
I would agree. That’s why I tried to make sure we carved out a pathway for him in this. A guy like him (which I have concerns about defensively but we’ll figure that out later), is critical offensively if you wanna build around Scottie.
@@_AVC_ ur right on the body needing maturing and defensively that being an issue, hes young so it’s understandable, I think he’s spacing will get him time to work on things, I’ve seen him key up on passing lanes and reading when to cut, that has been getting him deflections from active feet, but needs more experience imo to see if he’s able to continue to adapt offence theory into defensive iq
@@logicalraptorsfanatic 100% and I won’t lie I do worry about his physical development on the defensive end (I’ve done a lot of work in college and the league with young players so I’m pretty keen on this usually). But like you mentioned he isn’t a dumb player, how can we leverage that with his length to make him serviceable for the time being. It’s a fun project!
Grady Dicks second half 3 point percentage numbers were among the bestin the league . He is a future starter
That’s certainly the hope! Gotta develop some other skills as well but yes I hope so! That’s why I wanted to make sure we paved the way for him to get good PT next year. On the offensive side of the ball he is the kind of guy you need around Scottie.
The kelly and ochai trade had different issues at play… we almost had 4 picks in this years draft and bringing in that many guys in one year wouldn’t have worked the best, even 3 guys is too much imo, i think ochai is interesting as a prospect, has defensive chops but needs work on offence, which fits with rj on different skills in the same position, so rj can be used at different positions if needed, Kelly’s role is straight forward spacing passing center/pf with strong leadership and mentoring skills for a younger team, we had the 31st pick as well and having a pick in the late 20s doesn’t change a lot for the tier available at 19th and 31st
For sure those are all very fair points. I’m probably a bit too decisive when it comes to talent evaluation (that used to be my job and still kinda is haha), so I’ve probably just already written off Ochai which isn’t really fair. I still would have rather tried to turn those picks into picks down the line, but I understand the idea you have.
@@_AVC_ I agree with that value play when u get a lot of same year picks, diversify years and moving picks in the draft to acquire desired players
@@logicalraptorsfanatic Yeah I totally see that!
@@_AVC_ur cap salary management was reasonable and showed potential for the type of moves to expect, i would say nwora has a high chance of being a min forward, ochai and nwora’s dads played with masai on the Nigerian national team and has strong commitment to work on things so we will see with nwora can improve in the summer enough to earn that 14-15th man position, temple could be back on vet min as well, he’s doing a lot of impactful mentoring with scottie and others
@@logicalraptorsfanatic Hey connections can go a long way in the basketball world (sports world in general) so that makes a lot of sense to me! Always important to have good vets as well!
The biggest need for the Raptors is truthfully development and chemistry. Barnes, Quickley, Barrett, and Dick need to be looked at as your young core. Even if Dick is a bench player. There has been teams in the past that have had young core’s and they fail to develop and mesh. So if the Raptors can do that they can at least have building blocks. The one factor that I don’t think anyone is talking about is finding a killer to pair with Quickley. RJ and Barnes will be a legit wing combo going forward. But they need that that true bucket getter who can form a legit backcourt with Quickley. That’s why I’d love to see them either be aggressive and try to trade up if they have to for a Collier or a Devin Carter for sure. Or clear as much cap and as possible and go after Jamal Murray next off-season if he doesn’t sign a extension. A homecoming would be nice. Murray, Quickley, Barnes, and Barrett would be fun to watch.
I would have to agree with you. You got this young core you might as well figure out what they can do together!
@@_AVC_ on the Javon Freeman-Liberty part is respectfully the only part is disagree with. He’s young. He has shown that he can be a bucket. I’m not saying they need to try to get him to start. But after watching their bench well the last few seasons. It would benefit them to keep him around and still develop his game. He’s only 23/24. And like I said he could score which is needed off the bench. So I get where you are coming from but even a lot of Bulls fans were upset to lose him after seeing how he preformed in the Raptors G-League and a bid at the end of the season.
@@DarianMilliken219 That’s very fair! I personally think they have enough projects on their hands but I get your point.
Good vid I really hope we can pull off a good bruce brown trade like that cuz he kinda stunk it up with us tbh, and kel’el ware would be awesome
Yeah Ware seems like a nice long term option for this core and I agree that Bruce should just be moved now. Building for next years draft class just felt like the right direction.
Great video and analysis, bud. Typically, I don't watch youtube team analysis of the Raptors since they usually leave me scratching my head. Especially if the analyst doesn't watch all or most of their games. And even if it's someone who does cover and support the team full-time, they typically give the wrong take 19/20 times.
Anyhoo. Great job. I really like the Miami Duncan Robinson trade idea. The Raptors really need drafted players that can defend and also shoot from 3. They can't acquire - via the draft - anymore weak or middling defenders the way the roster is currently constructed with Grady, RJ and Quickly or they will never be a good defensive team. While they may not be necessarily horrible defenders, they certainly are not lockdown defenders.
The Raptors biggest needs - and lets be honest, they need everything - are a backup PG who can defend the point of attack, long-armed wings who can switch on D and a backup center of the future who can switch and block shots. 3-pt shooting from center is not a must as long as he can switch but the wings and PGs must be able to shoot from 3 or their spacing is compromised (again!).
Robinson (2 years
Wow there was a lot of voice in this comment haha! I’m really glad you like it and I totally hear you on the Duncan trade. I wanted to pull the trigger on it but I decided to prioritize draft picks for next year.
Seriously though happy to have ya here! Glad you enjoyed!
@@_AVC_ Thanks bud. Keep the content coming. Luv it.
@@chesterfieldjones1055 Sir yes sir 🫡
One thing I saw was having the 2026 Indy pick as a 2nd, its a 1st round pick with top 4 protection, 2026 first round draft pick to Toronto
Indiana's 1st round pick to Toronto protected for selections 1-4 in 2026 and 1-4 in 2027; if Indiana has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Toronto by 2027, then Indiana will instead convey Utah's 2027 2nd round pick and Dallas' 2028 2nd round pick to Toronto [Indiana-Toronto, 1/17/2024]
Yeah there are a ton of stipulations with that pick!
I say start Gradey or make Scottie starting PG and IQ starting SG
Interesting idea. Point Scott haha
I believe the pacers 26 pick is their first not a second for what it is worth.
Wait what? Sorry I’m not understanding 😅. I can be slow at times haha did I mess something up?
@@_AVC_ I believe you sheet had Pacers 2026 pick as a second round going to Toronto. I believe it is a 1st 1-4 protected. This was part of Pascal trade.
@@FillGaps Ohhh if I did totally my bad 😂😅 great catch!
Idk if you’re a raptors fan or not but your perspective seems objective. I think you have a good handle on what their guys are worth
I am not a Raptors fan haha. I just literally work in basketball 😅. Glad you liked the video haha!
There are actually a nice variety of bigs in this draft.
Yeah it’s hard to find size and there are enough intriguing enough dudes in this class for sure!
As a raptor fan 🤓
Elite comment 😂😂
Really well done video bro. Other than not realizing how well Grady shot late in the year, it seemed like it came from a homer.
I swear I mentioned that he shot better later in the year! Did I not? Maybe I’m trippin but I swear I did lol. Regardless glad you like the video!!
I would very happy if this is how it went down, that's a 7-6 place team
I think it certainly would have the potential to be! Glad you enjoyed it! Wanted to give them flexibility to really get after it this year and be able to make moves.
Imagine getting anything for Bruce Brown lol. I'd happily take cj. If somehow hero was in talks for Bruce, take that and run lol.
You know what’s funny, I feel like the Heat fans say the same thing about him. Maybe y’all can have a handshake deal haha.
Knicks offseason vid would go crazy
Once they get eliminated/win it all I got you lol. Gotta be their offseason to get the offseason video!
CJ is expensive 30+30 and he'd be more of GTJ upgrade, the problem I see is that Raps would still be small, forcing Barnes to be the lead defender, which I don't think would work out well. How to fix it, I"m not sure, but I like FA Patrick Williams, Andrew Wiggins, someone 6'9-6'7 who can defend and shoot, Naji Marshal? OG light.
Might be better to let Brown walk and sign an FA, the 2025 pick would be nice.
Yeah I just really wanted that pick. I think it does two things: Obviously put Toronto in a place to trade up if someone you really want is there. Second, having that $30 million can also be an asset. Yes he doesn’t help you win right now but that’s not happening regardless. If someone becomes disgruntled you have a guy that can be used in the deal to bring them in. CJ is easy to sell a franchise on so look at it as trading for the ability to strike when someone becomes available.
@@_AVC_ I like almost everything here but Dick needs to be looked at as a starter. Quickley-Barrett-Gradey Dick-Barnes-Poetl. I am signing Brown and see if he can up his value before the deadline. Raps pick next year so it is their style to stand pat with whatever draft capital they got. Brown for Wiggins works once he's trade eligible and with option picked up. Taking Wiggins contract should come with a pick from GSW. I also do not think I would pick a big at 19 unless we are convinced a freak of nature like Zac Edey translates. So I think I'd take upside Carrigton there. At 31 I'd pick a big from who is left. On day 2 of the draft Masai will select: Izan Almansa (who?) and then same day sign someone who did not get drafted like big 4-5 PJ Hall. I think Monte Morris is a possibility as back-up point guard and as mle acquisition. They will have to have a tank trap door for Copper Flagg. Garrett Temple might be back for his improbable career victory lap.
@@BennyGeserit I love the amount of thought that went into this! Big time!
I wasn’t (and still not) ready to give GD the keys yet. BUT I made sure to lay the ground work in this video to make sure he would get the chance to show it. If he becomes the player we hope him to be then hell yeah let’s start him.
Good vid man! Quicklet will get closer to 30m, he s an RFA but I think other teams will offer him that amount. Hell No to herro!!
Damn maybe in today’s market. I would think it’s lower but who knows! Goad you liked the video!
Draft kelel ware and Ryan Dunn and sign saddiq bey in the offseason
Ouuu you’re my first Ryan Dunn comment. What do you see in him?
@@_AVC_ OG without the shot
@@James09291 Huh, interesting comparison. I dig it! Well if that happens I’ll remember this comment 😂.
J F-L is an OK third PG no more he might be back or not
Yeah I think you can find something better.
Loool impossible we could trade Bruce brown against CJ and picks,
Whatcha mean?
@@_AVC_ i don’t think pelican would accept this trade. But great trade for raptors
@@jeremynoumen3172 I could see just the single 1st you could be right. Maybe get 2 because of the cap relief. You should watch my Pistons video on Thursday. I would be curious to see these two trades happen. Could wrap it all together nicely.
Dude the raptors traded the 29th pick for Ochai and Kelly. That’s a steal. Not sure what your talking about.
I personally just didn’t think it was needed. It’s just kinda counterintuitive to the other moves they made this year. I would have preferred finding a way to push that asset (draft pick) further down the line to allow for flexibility next year.
Kelly O and OA where for the 29th pick from OKC as part of Pascal trade
You are correct!
I don't think Brown is as valuable to the league as you think he is. I love that Pelicans trade as a Raptors fan, but can't see a world where that happens.
You should look at the comments of my Denver video 😂. I know he wasn’t greta for y’all but we literally just watched him play a huge role in a championship haha.
@@_AVC_ Yeah. maybe you're right. I just hope that the GMs and talent acquisition departments on other teams didn't watch as many horrible Bruce Brown plays in the late Raptors season as I did, because he wasn't even a shadow of what he was in Denver.
Raptors are really stuck in the middle unless they get some insane lottery luck.
Yeah that’s why I was a little confused by some of their moves this season but hey if the right person becomes available they might be able to make a play.
@@_AVC_ I can see that. If these young guys are having a somewhat promising season then all they really can do is buy into that and trade for some piece to support them.. Hopefully we don't see this thing imploding in the next couple of years because the young guys just don't become good enough to make an actual playoff spot.
@@EDTheOneable Yeah I think you are looking at this pretty logically. That’s where my concern is as well. They have some real intriguing players but like you said I don’t know what their ceiling really is.
Gary Trent Jr?
You think it’s worth bringing him back?
G Dick was poor first half but much better second half and could be future backup SG or SF
I’ll even say a hopeful starter eventually!
Would maybe try and sign and trade Gary Trent instead of letting him walk
I guess do you think he’s gonna want to go somewhere where they don’t have the cap room for him? Legit asking what team that would be. Cuz then that team would not only have to value you for that $ amount but whatever they trade. I personally think he ends up in like an Orlando/Philly/SAS where the money is already there.
@@_AVC_ could look to trade up in the draft maybe to like Houston (pretty improbable) or Chicago for a young/younger piece like Nate Williams or Ayo Dosunmu and their draft pick for this years draft. I think the raptors could really benefit from having a lottery pick this year. I am somebody who really wanted them to keep their top 6 protected pick lol Orlando could also sign and trade Markell Fultz for Gary which I like for both squads cuz Raps need more defence at the guard position and Orlando needs more shooting. I also don’t think Gary is worth the money he was previously paid so it depends how the league values him. I value him closer to a 12-15 a year player rather than 17+
@@BDebney12 Yeah I think 8-10 is probably the max for him. Those are all interesting thoughts! I personally think it’s better that y’all lost the pick this year so you can have it for next year’s class but I totally understand the struggle.
Really upset my raptors lost there pick
Their*
Sorry I just had to kick you while you were down 😂. No fr though it actually sucks. Was that the Kawhi trade?
@@_AVC_ its the jakob poetl trade. It was like top 6 protected or something but didnt fall within protections so it went to spurs. I actually think its better they lost this yrs pick because if they kept it then the spurs woulda got the raptors 2025 first
Edit: if u think about it the raptors basically traded down in this yrs draft while also getting indys 2026 first. Not ideal but i mean siakam had 1 yr left and the team wasnt going anywhere
@@M8trix6363 Ohhh that’s right. No yeah given the situation with the pick this is a way better outcome. This year I lose a lot of interest after like 5-6 players, and next year looks much more promising.
CJ is more valuable than Brown. Raptors would be the ones sending picks in that deal. I like alot of your videos but this one became very unrealistic at that point. If you took on a bad contract it could work to get some future picks but CJ is valuable to a contender so it just doesn't make sense. I don't think any team trades more than 1 future first for Brown, he really isn't that valuable. I think they get a good second realistically at most. Should be lucky if they get a future 1st.
Hey appreciate the thoughts! So I do have some questions/thoughts.
So when we say someone is more valuable than someone I think that’s rarely a 100% truth. Some guys are more valuable to different teams because they are in need of different things or find themselves in different phases. So I’ll challenge you to try and rethink that one. I try to challenge people to not use absolute statements, it’s a bad debate practice haha.
My question for you is why do you think CJ is more valuable to NOLA than Bruce? Cuz obviously you can have that opinion, I’m just curious why cuz I also would have thoughts on it.
@@_AVC_ I can't be hyper specific in outlining when someone is more or less valuable (semantics) but CJ will be more valuable to almost every team in the league from a relative standpoint (better player now, and can trade away for better future assets), Brown is a good bench player CJ is a good number 3 on a contending team. His skillset is alot more rare. Brown is a 33% 3pt shooter for his career and barely shot 31% from 3 last year. The modern NBA doesn't value that skill set as much as it did just a few years ago, you can't sustain a wing player in a strong rotation with those numbers now a days. CJ shoot 40% from 3 for his career (elite shooter). If the Pelicans trade CJ they can get a much higher quality player and/or more valuable pics than a Brown type player with only 1 year left on his deal and on top of that giving up a bunch of future assets, just doesn't make sense really. Not trying to criticize, just can't imagine a straight swap being considered (much less giving up additional future draft assets) by the Pelicans.
@@javiernoris3496 No yeah I don’t take it as criticism I just wanna make sure we don’t use blanket language as much haha. Cuz now we can have an actual conversation which is way more fun!
So I want to make ya think again about fit and value, and I wanna be clear I like both players a ton. The value of CJ comes from his shooting and from what I understand his leadership. You get some deficiencies then in his ability to finish and pretty much the entire defensive end of the court. So you get some give and take and in reality the players have some opposite qualities, meaning depending on what a team needs the value of those two players will be different. One also costs a lot more and is at a much older age so teams consider that as well.
So here is my thought then. I don’t look at that trade in a vacuum and maybe I should explain that better in the video. The Pelicans are trying very hard to add a new PG this offseason. You might not even move CJ in that trade, so why not flip him into something that compliments your new PG better than he might.
Curious to hear your thoughts!
@@_AVC_ You can get more than Brown and subtracting picks for CJ. Doesn't make sense. Zion is already a non shooter, can't add more non shooters and expect to compete. Brown and Zion would basically be unplayable together, you can at most have 1 non shooter on the floor at one time come playoff time.
@@javiernoris3496 I’ll tell ya from a strategic POV that’s not really true. On a high level view yes, but so much goes into spacing and movement outside of shooting. I did a report for an NBA team just last week about this actually haha.
It was titled “How Ausar Thompson is one of the best spacers in basketball.”
Cavs offseason ?
Drops at 4PM CT today!! I got you. It was definitely the one with the most trades so far 😅.
@@_AVC_ excited for this one 👌
@@brentfaiyazsons1809 It’ll be a ride 😅.
bruce brown trade = terrible
Like in general or my trade specifically?
@@_AVC_ general
@@murillorocha83 Oh gotcha gotcha. So you just wanna keep him or not pick up the option?
@@_AVC_ depends on the direction the fo choose, memphis seems open to talk about the 9th, trae maybe is going out and now raptors have control over the picks, the idea of having a 2025 1st for him is great, but cj sallary would limit the cap, they need to find a cheaper option
@@murillorocha83 I’m glad you brought up the CJ thing actually because I didn’t explain it as well as I wanted to. The benefit of CJ isn’t on the court obviously, it’s actually the contract amount. If a particular player becomes available he helps easily fill the financial side of the deal to get negotiations going. He gets traded (and probably bought out) and Toronto brings in a big time player. Or he just plays solid basketball for y’all and frees up cap space in 2 seasons.
Terrance Shannon does not fit Toronto.... that 31st pick shoulda been Pacome Dadiet
Are we saying that because of the allegations?
@@_AVC_ Nah man, idc about allegations.... if he aint proven guilty it means nothing! i liked him when i first started looking into this draft but the more and more i watched him i didnt like him nor the fit in Toronto! Dadiet is the right age group for the Raptors group also a playstyle that fits better next to RJ, IQ and Scottie
@@Sio-33 Oh fair enough. I just saw some other people saying the Toronto FO would never take someone with even allegations haha.
I personally haven’t watched a ton of Pacôme, at least not enough to have a well thought out opinion, but TSJ is someone I have a ton of confidence in as an NBA player. Guess we’ll see!
@@_AVC_ thats fair enough man! should def look into Dadiet as well as Nikola Djurisic! i have high hopes for the both of those guys
@@Sio-33 Where is that second guy from? I remember Dadiet being another French dude. A lot of those guys right now!
why do you want quickly to quit the nba lol
Huh? 😂
@@_AVC_ it's re-sign not resign resign mean you quit
@@natesportsfanatic4670 Oh in the thumbnail 😂😂 phenomenal catch lol. Will I change it? No. I need to own my mistake.
@@_AVC_ already then I didn't say anything about changing it you should always pay closer attention when your making a video