Toronto Raptors' Bruce Brown Decision and Future Ft. Blake Murphy
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- Опубліковано 8 сер 2024
- Blake Murphy continues Basketball Rewind to chat with Coach Roache, and BeyondTheLockerRoom ahead of the 2024 NBA Draft to discuss what the Raptors should do with Bruce Brown, Boucher, and other decisions.
Chapters
The Bruce Brown of it all - 0:50
Boucher Talk - 4:33
Challenges of Taking a Swing Too Early - 12:40
The PR Problem Surrounding Analytics - 16:23
Blake Murphy - linktr.ee/blakemurphyodc
Coach Roache - / coachroachet
BeyondTheLockerRoom - / beyondlockerrm
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Fantastic show, hope that you guys bring Blake back for more shows.
I am sure he will be back at some point in the future
Show finally popping off!!!
thanks scoot
Coach and Blake must have the same barber.
Comment of the year 😂
Blake is great. Good energy
Great dude as always
ANYONE BUT BOSTON!!! 💯💯💯
Great show...
Thank you as always!
Bruce + Chris + McDaniels for Wiggins + Moody and a pick.
2025 unprotected , that would be fair cause we’re giving warriors a max slot in free agency
@@Jayse exactly!
@@blaqhawk2k918that’s a dream deal for both franchises tbh , warriors also get a good rotation player in Boucher that they won a chip before with
Wiggins for 3 more years at $30 mill+/yr I think I would pass. Unless there is a lot more draft capital. Wiggins is a dog. He may or may not play. He's had 1 year where he was actually dialed in for the year that happened to be a contract year. He doesn't even play for his country. Get him at extreme risk.
I dont know if they would give wiggins and moody and a pick for effectively one player the franchise doesn't really want and another the franchise literally doesn't play and another who is literally there to be a salary dump at this point. Seems like a lot from there side.
My hope is that when the boys get together this summer, they put time in working on their defense. If they can pick up some solid defensive characteristics, it would go a long way to putting them back into playoff contention
Missi and dunn and we’re so back
This is the hope
Blake talked about how the Raptors have to exercise Brown's team option before trading him. I've been hearing about this "rule" recently, so I actually read the CBA. I can't find any rule that says if Brown is traded prior to June 30, the new team can't decline his player option, or that the Raptors can't trade him unless they exercise the option first. I did, however, find that if the Raptors do exercise his player option, the new team can't then decline it. They can't undo it, even if it is before June 30. Once a team exercises it, it can't be undone by the original team or the new team. I'm really curious where people are getting this notion that Raptors must exercise his option to trade him from. Can anyone reference the actual rule?
I will do some digging on this.
I'm too lazy to look it up, but I remember when they changed the rule about 4 or 5 years ago. Teams used to be able to trade a non-guaranteed player before July 1, and the other team would have the option of waiving them for the following season - thereby instantly creating cap space or reducing their tax load. But too many teams took advantage of this, and the CBA was changed to make salary matching possible on a deal between teams only if all unguaranteed traded players were guaranteed for the following year.
It may be hard to discern from the arcane language of the CBA, but I assure you it's there. And if Blake says it's there, then you can be damn sure it's there. Bottom line, before July 1 Brown can only be traded to a team over the cap for matching salaries AFTER his second year has been picked up by the Raptors.
Is all massai fault we are in this situation
They pick up browns option regardless of draft day deal. There’s other ways to create cap flexibility. He’s an asset both as a player and contract. Boucher is 50/50 but worth it at vet minimum but he’s your last finalized deal after IQ and GTJ. Raptors are not signing anyone this summer. There’s no one available that moves the needle in FA. Raps will get a first for brown.
Definitely agree with Kenyon. 2025 is a great draft, and after losing our lottery pick this year the Raptors cannot forego a chance to be in on it. We can't build towards contender status without bringing in more cost controlled young talent, ideally an absolute stud to pair with Scottie. At this point, RJ and IQ don't play defence well enough to pencil in as starters on a contending team. The hybrid strategy may be to start the year a full throttle, then trade Jak at the deadline to fall down to #7 or so in the lottery. The Raps cannot win without a legit C, and starting Olynyk at C has proven to be a surefire way to lose basketball games. (lol)
The Raps won one NBA title in their entire existence and now contender status is the goal? Sac, Utah, Char, Ind, Atl, Orl, Phx, LAC, Minny, NJ have never won a NBA title and have been in the NBA longer than Toronto. I think getting back to the team from 2013-2018 is the goal- a consistent playoff team and top 6 East team. Both RJ and IQ were rotation guys on a playoff teams in NY. RJ was a starter in NY and average 20.2 ppg in 2021-22 and 19.6 ppg in 2022-23. Yes, let's trade Poeltl after going 2-3 years without a quality starting center. Let's tank when the NBA doesn't reward tanking teams in the draft Lottery. Let's just become Detroit North and alienate SB, IQ and RJ so that they force their collective way out of Toronto.
You really have two options and I may make a video on this. Either you have one top 5 center or you split the cost of a top 5 center into two really solid centers like we did in the champion ship and you do it via depth.
I think I agree with the hybrid idea. You don't go into the year saying we will lose but naturally allow nature to take its course.
@@IceManLikeGervingood points although those new york teams were deep. to your point RJ was a rotation guy but a 3rd option at best on a team that struggled in the playoffs. IQ rotation guy but was a bench guard. I believe both are solid starters but flawed because we can't defend. Will they improve? Yes, however, many other teams have young players who are getting better as well. We dont have to tank by ripping it down to the studs either .. just dont meaningfully make the team better.
@@IceManLikeGervin 2016? Raptors went to the ECF. That's "contender status". 2018? Raptors were the top team in the East and swept the top team in the West (Rockets) in their season series. That's "contender status". Yes, that's what we all want to get back to.
But it took some great drafts to get to that point, culminating in acquiring OG in 2017 when he miraculously dropped out of the lottery because of his ACL injury. The question is whether the Raptors have enough elite talent to get back to contender status. I'd love it if IQ and RJ become all-star/all-NBA quality players. If they do this season - fine, we'll be top 6 in the East. If not, then let's get as many lottery tickets in the loaded 2025 draft as possible. And then start the winning in earnest. I'm quite sure Scottie is on board with the plan. His big kiss on Gradey's forehead signified that he sees the bright future of this team. The last thing we want to be is the 2005-2010 Cavaliers, with Lebron dragging them to the playoffs every year only to lose to deeper teams.
@@aquamarine99911 we gotta restock the cupboard and that takes time as you are hinting at.
Brown for Wiggins straight up. Buy low on Wiggins and reap the rewards when he returns to form playing in his hometown where he can be with his father which is the reason he has been taking leaves from GS the past 2 seasons. Wiggins would be the Raptors best all around defender and allow SB to roam on defense.
Starters: Poeltl, Barnes, Wiggins, RJ, IQ. Bench: Olynyk, Boucher, GTJ, Dick, Agbaji, JFL, McDaniels, #19 (Ware? Edey?), #31 (Jaylon Tyson?). Sign a f/a pg like Monte Morris or CoJo.
it would need to come with a pick. We are basically 1 year too soon on the wiggins type of move but yeah.... COJO is kind of on his way out btw. I do think Boucher is also likely going to be traded this year. I don't know if I like Edey at 19 but Ware and Jaylon is interesting.
@@BasketballRewind No, it wouldn't need to come with any picks especially if Bruce Brown is included in any potential trade for AW. The time is now. CoJo (33 years old) is a vet that can help mold IQ into a more complete pg plus he can still play back up pg minutes while being a roster vet. As well, he is 5 years younger than Garrett Temple.
@@IceManLikeGervin I have one simple question. are you only wanting cojo because he is Canadian?
@@BasketballRewind I concisely laid out why I would lean towards the Raptors potentially signing Cojo. If you read my above post then you would overstand why I named CoJo as a potential back up pg. Also, take a look at the 2024 free agent point guard class... Monte Morris and CoJo are the best of most attainable few for Toronto. All the best
@@IceManLikeGervin Just had to double check. Monte Morris is a very gettable name and he might end up being the one that is settled on.
Everyone wants Maple Jordan and The Maple Mamba to unite.
I would rather wait for SGA.
We need to go bring Wiggins Home
Sign OG back if the price is right 30-34 mill per year
If I’m raptors if offering 40-45+ idgaf and if we don’t get him we still screw over the Knicks
@@Jayse that would be priceless would it not
as funny as that dream would be it wouldn't really make sense
@@BasketballRewind why do you not think it would make sense
Because you would have to renounce all FA rights to get up to the that level including on ochai ... OG hinted multiple times he wanted out and we can be out bid. Plus he is injury prone. Would he help on defence? Yes. But offensively if he pushes it he will break down and is limited to his ability to help. After two contracts and nearly 8 years in the NBA he was still one of the worst isolation drive guys in the NBA YET he wants to play that way.
Sometimes its good to move on and let the ex go. Y'all broke up for a reason.
But on top of that you lose all your depth to get a guy who is injury prone when you need all the health you can get already. I genuinely do not believe it makes a lot of sense to do this for OG or frankly for any free agent who is available THIS year. Although in literally one year there are way better free agents. many who are younger and less injury prone.
Trade Poetle, Brown, Boucher, Trent. Get draft picks over the next 2 to three years. See how Dick, Barnes, Barrett, Quickley, Agbaji Develop. This team is so devoid of talent.
100% agree!!!! We need all new talent in here. It's going to suck for Scottie for a couple years but what has become evident are injuries are prevelant in NBA these days. We also need better depth for future trades.
Let's just become Detroit North, huh?
yup patience its ok. This would put us way way ahead
@@IceManLikeGervin I dont think the goal is to become detroit but instead you have a starting base with Barnes, and say Gradey. So you move and see what comes from that.
@@BasketballRewind Gradey is not a base with SB over IQ and RJ... It's the BBQ era and GD is just a side dish.