The Banned and Controversial Flies!
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- Опубліковано 23 вер 2024
- Here is the collection of all the banned and controversial flies we've made to date! Tie and use them at your own risk! If you know of any more, please let me know. I would love to add a few more to the collection.
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Here is the collection of all the banned and controversial flies we've made to date! If you want to learn more about how specific flies can be banned and in what situations we will be discussing it in my next podcast here: www.youtube.com/@mainelyfliespodcast4555
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If you know of any more, please let me know. I would love to add a few more to the collection. Also, if you don't tie you can find some of them on my website: www.mainely-outdoors.com/
Wooly bugger
@@ianwhitehead3086 Where is that banned? Never heard that
Thanks.
I started tying in 1966. I was 9 years old and went to a Trout Unlimited course at a high school. I used these skills all my life up until a few years ago when I developed central tremors. Now days I just buy my flies. I would tell anyone considering a hobby or activity for a young person that this art is very rewarding. Catching your first fish on a fly that you crafted with your own hands is a life long memory. This art can be very lucrative as well.
It is extremely rewarding! Sorry to hear that.. something that crosses my mind from
Time to time and worries me a bit. I’ll enjoy it while I can.
High school at nine years old?
@@Dexhammylmao you can't read. He says "at a highschool" even today there's plenty of highschools and colleges that have courses that you don't need to be a student to attend.
It's art to the fish that bite them
@@idecidenotyouwhat is it if it’s not art? To me this it quite literally an art, I consider this more of an art than those people who jus throw paint splatters on a canvas and try to sell them for thousands if not more
I don't even fish but I really enjoy watching this man's skill it's bloody amazing
Glad you enjoyed it
Agree. Does anyone know why flies are made in such an exacting fashion?
You should fish. Imagine the reward of catching something on a lure you made
It's not bloody at all. UA-cam would totally demonetize
Imagine finding a yellow goose
I didn't think anyone still did this. I learned to tie when I was in middle-school was an elective class. Oh the hours I'd spend making flies for my Dad and his buddies. One of which caught a trophy rainbow on a Muddler Minnow I tied.
I wish we would have had classes like that that. We never even had shop class
I still tie whenever I can however these days it’s harder because I no longer have places I can get to for fishing. I taught myself how to when at 20 I was hit by a car walking home from work from behind the driver too busy yelling at her kids to be paying attention to where she was going. I was in the hospital 3 days and out of work 3 and a half months I had to have something to do so I learned to tie my own flies . Been doing it ever since. As a foot note does anyone know of good places to fish walking distance around the bolivar Missouri area. Because I don’t have the luxury of driving 1 never learned and these days it wouldn’t do any good because I couldn’t afford it things have become so expensive. The working poverty class like me can only afford to keep rent and utilities paid with only food money left and nothing saved. No I’m not asking for financial help I will manage as I always have. Just asking for places that I can fish that I can walk to.
I learned it on my own. My parents got me a tying kit when I was in middle school. I caught a lot of panfish and a few bass on random concoctions I came up with. Surprising to me I made one that looked like a bee that caught the most bass.
Thats so sick that your school had that as a class, what school was it?? I couldn't imagine how a black and chartreuse would slay up some Crappie, or maybe even a dark purple and blue with some silver sparkles.
You didnt know people still tie flies? Did you think they stopped fishing?
This guy knows how to present. Straight forward information, with no bullshit or yak-yak.
Thank you
What you don't like hearing about raid shadow legends, ridge wallet, and dollar shave club for 80% of the video?
yea lol he more clear than my teacher
Lots of BS and yak-yak. No fly pattern was band from fly fishing competition.
@@janlampert5688
No real fly fishierman really gives a shit about "competition"......other than with himself.
That juvinile crap is for the Johnny Morris bubba's.
He had me watching this even though my last time fishing was like 14 years ago in my childhood 😂😂
That any of this is “banned” means we are taking this too seriously.
Bass fishing: THIS LURE IS ABSOLUTELY KILLER, SO HERE'S WHERE YOU CAN BUY IT
Fly fishing: This lure is too good, you're no longer allowed to tie these bits of feather to your hooks and fish with it.
@@dragonwithamonocle lol not a lot of feathers on most of those "flies"
How much of a loser you can be to ban everything because you can’t compete against other people invention.
Some fly fishermen: Yes! Ban!
Just say you don't know anything about conservation.
@@dragonwithamonocle Wrong, as you literally just showed I know nothing about Competition Lure Fishing. Also, no one outside of that sport would know, nor does any part of the video or title make that clear. So, in conclusion, gfys, Mr. Knowitall. You're so smart, why didn't you answer my other comment where I asked a legitimate question, huh Brain?
Nice work! Anecdotally, at a trout lake near me, the only ppl catching were using what looked like (very brightly coloured) pellet like ‘flies’ which looked very much like the food pellets the stock fish were fed on! No one else was catching anything. 😂
Is this trout lake in Northern California?
@@upriverfishing It was in Hampshire, England/UK
Lmao my
Uncle just got some of the actual pellets from the fish hatchery
Power bait is the way to go for stock trouts.
@@krisvind1715 🤣🤣🤣 Is that what they call it? LMAO.
Been watching a few of these now, and the OP makes it look so easy [although he must have a vast supply of cords & feathers etc]. My Scots grandfather would tie his own flies, & i remember watching him doing it as a kid. I still have them, and the salmon flies, and all the ancient split cane rods... which are beautiful in themselves. Glad i've kept them.
“WAHHH HIS FLY IS CATCHING MORE BAN IT!!!”
Didn’t know fishers were such babies
They aren't...but some "sierra club", flyfishing guys are.
@@harrydick3300The sierra club kicked me out of their facebook group bc they didn't like me talking about hunting and fishing
That's when I realized it was just a front for communist vegan losers
Brother you have no idea…
everyone's babies
At 2:46, are those UV orange beads kind of soft or really hard? Also, at 3:35, did you use UV glue to soak and glue the orange bead and egg yarn together to give them that wet, flowing look?
Those are really hard, soft eggs won’t hold the hook shank from melting. At 3:35 he simply wets the fly with water to show how it will look in the water. No magic.
In NZ I learned of the "nail polish fly" from a guide. Very simple-- wrap plastic around a large barbless hook and paint with bright pink nail polish.Streamlined and sinks fast. I hooked and lost a massive brown using it in a deep pool. Also good for deep runs where you want to get down deep fast w/o weights or even a bead head. He said some guides frowned on it.
No one puts out more info in less time. Excellent job. My wife ask me if I would ever have enough fly tying material? No, just look at how many you use. That is big part of the fun!
LOL...my wife asked the same question...I responded with "how many pairs of shoes do you have now"?.....crickets....lol
It’s many a year since I tied a fly never mind fished but your video has stirred my interest once again. It would be interesting to see how these flies are successful in the UK. My gut feeling is they may be very successful on reservoirs as the patterns are very similar to some deadly flies on there. A big thank you.
My grandma taught me how to tie flies at the age of 7. Years later I still tie flies for professional anglers and charge anywhere from 1 pound to 1000 pounds per fly depending on the order. Thanks Grandma. Last year I caught by biggest fish on the fly. 35lbs.
I don’t fish-my cousin does-but I’m here to enjoy the craftsmanship. Definitely falls into my bucket of ”strangely satisfying”
That first fly was gorgeous! I don't have the patience for small intricate work like that. It's too fiddly for me. I really enjoyed watching you do your craft and the attention to detail
The big ones that got away were all almost caught on my hideous looking homemade gobs of whatever I could find in the corners of my fishing box and sisters jewelry box.
Cabela's said , "I don't care if the fish like em, people sure do".
I have fished once in my life, but I’m pretty sick and it’s like 1:30 am and I slept all day and can’t sleep but I’ll prolly throw up if I try and get up and do anything like yesterday so here I am watching a video about controversial flies which I didn’t even know existed, let alone wasn’t a bug, and it’s pretty cool😂
I’m going to start this with the fact that I’ve never been fly fishing before but I’ve done a lot of everything else. So correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t all the technique involved in flying fishing in the cast? Like u don’t twitch or jig the lure correct? Cause if so i don’t think “ lures”should be banned especially outside if competitions, kinda feels like a “ i lost so I’m gonna complain” situation. With that being said it’s totally fair for competitions to bane them especially if they want the challenge to be more difficult. Beyond that I don’t think they should be banned unless they’re actually harming the environment and now days they’re limitations on how much you can catch usually so i don’t think over effective bait is going to cause issues.
i don't fish but i find these videos fascinating
Same here lol
Try it very fun.
Plot twist: The Actual Person that banned these Flies wasn't a person. But a Fish....He lost His wife and Grandpa and has never been the same.😬
😂😂😂
i subscribe to this theory
Do you just get the supplies at an arts and crafts store or do they have stores with supplies specifically for making flies?
Generally we get the stuff at fly fishing shops that sell the supplies, but I have gotten some from crafts stores for cheaper (but lower quality)
Never heard of fishing lures being banned because they are to good that's really strange. Like don't they make lures to attract fish?
It's just clickbait
The term "banned" is completely misused as it pertains specifically to competitive fly angling competitions... There is only one real governing body for this though, and only they can decide but yes flies can be banned for reasons that seem ridiculous at first but really they just don't want things that have an instant unfair advantage (again in the competitive sense)
@MeadowFireMusic its only unfair if only one person can use it.
Hey I know its a lot to ask for but you channel is amazing, and has made me wanna get into this. Could you make a video showing what equipment is needed to get into fly tying and some basic materials?
Yes, it might take me a bit but I plan to expand the channel in to teaching as well. Right not it’s more of a pattern catalog but I’ll be starting to think about how to go about it.
@@MainelyFlies sweeeeeet thanks for the reply too.
@@bobhide1037 No problem! hope to implement it soon
@@MainelyFlies i'd also like to see that mate. This is lovely fly though, it does almost look too irresistible for a fish. Funny they banned it.
Check out Tom rosenbalm and orvis if you wanna learn to fish aswell
I've never even tried fly fishing this is amazing I've watched a ton of your videos thank you so much.
I read the title and half expected to see a fly laced with cocaine... still, a great artform in fishermanship displayed with such detail.
Keep making great angler content!
It's for fly fishing 😀
@@ericadesjardins1603 Really, a "fly" that is handcrafted for the explicit purpose of catching fish? Who would have guessed it would be used for such a concept? 🙄
@@Blitzkrieg_WolfI thought it was for deer hunting!
I like these ‘cause you say banned or controversial, & they’re pretty simple too. Thanks.
Part of the reason they are banned or controversial is based on that. Makes for an easy tie, thought!
@@MainelyFlies Banned by whom?
@@garrettswoodworx1873 In most cases, it's competitions. For example, the squirmy worm is banned from use in Italy or Spain comps, but there are specific rivers where states banned them too
Do you not counterwrap your wire on tinsel? I found without counter wrapping, if a small bit comes undone the whole thing does.
Generally, I would. If I didn’t, it was definitely a mistake. Sucks when the tinsel pops
Man I haven't been fly fishing in 20 years but this makes me want to take it up again
Watching this makes me realize this hobby is a regret I never learned! Wow, great video and skills top shelf right up there with the peanut butter! Satisfying to watch.
So glad I started tying flies. also so glad that I found your channel!
I’m a born and raised 3rd generation Alaskan steelhead and trout Flyfishing Angler. I have and will continue to use these flies. Especially egg patterns, beads are the most productive way to catch fish in my state. Having grown up Flyfishing and guiding it’s insane the way grown adults wail act over a style of fishing. I’ve learned in my 42 years (35 of which flyfishing) is a great deal of respect for every angler. It’s not about the style of fishing, rather the ethics of our eco system and keeping the rivers and creeks clean and abundant for the next generation. No fly should be illegal but I digress.
People collect these, right? Some tied by famous people? I wonder who taught him. Beautiful work.
Back when I had a shoulder that worked I fly fished and tied my own.
I tied a yellow perch lure for bass . number six sickle hook, striped yellow and black feathers, black marabou tail, a bit of tinsel and worked it in northern New England and Wisconsin ponds on sinking 8 weight line from a canoe.
The salmon egg,or steelhead eggs I tied 45 years ago were all yarn,I would blend light pink and orange,with a single strand of white,some would get a light white streamer,some with two single strand of red,like a blood strand,take the main yarn and pull it up and cut it half round to form an egg,trim it round,take the skane strand and trim it about an inch,I made thousands of these,sold them all over northern Cal to Oregon,I paid people to tie them,a lot of work,but a fish killer!
Banned by who? how tf was that enforced?
I am just speculating here, so not completely sure. Game wardens could hypothetically come around and check people’s gear, if a specific fly is so good to be banned means it would probably be extremely popular and common in kits.
Banned in competitions is the idea here I believe. Of course game wardens check out what you're fishing for and what you're fishing with, it's their job.
@@Mushroom.Madness.yeah fr, he says in the video “banned from competitions” multiple times. So that’s who enforced it, the competition organizers. Pretty sure the commenter didn’t watch the video
@@brandonlamb735 yes I had posted my response early in the vide. Banned by who was probably on their mind as soon as the video started and ended 😆 I'm sure .
Same way they enforce the a rig ban in competitions
I know nothing about fishing.
I have no interest in fishing.
However this is truly fascinating. The artistry and craftsmanship looks beautiful. They actually look like small fish, insects, and worms
Then you need to go fishing. Trust me.
Ive never been fly fishing before (float fishing, trapping and small game hunting for me) but making the flies is so damn cool, i didnt even know it was so complex
This is very new to me. For the designs, are they trying to mimic the fish's food? or just trial and error? Very interesting because I never thought that fish are very visual animals, before I thought they have to smell the bait before trying them.
That's exactly right, most fly fishing is for trout and salmon types of fish that tend to feed on insects off the top or the water
I've never heard of flies being baned or controversial, and I have been tyeing sins. 1994verry interesting thanks for the vid 👍
Not surprising to me. In california it is illegal to use a small fishing net to catch fish (like the handheld ones you use to scoop them up after reeling in).... and to that I don't really understand why. If we do not exceed the limit they set, why does it even matter how we catch them?
That caddis fly was way better technique than mine. I'm going to tie them the Way you demonstrate. Thanks.
I like when he said “secure”.
Makes me feels secured.
Hey, thanks man. I have a hook holder in the closet and have been short of hobbies as I am sitting in a computer lab as of late. Two fly rods in water country. Thank you sir. Cool, cool.
These videos make this look like the funnest part of the entire sport.
Who enforces the ban? Are they banned at tournaments or are they actually illegal to use and fish and game will check them?
You've sold me on learning to tie my own flies. Wow that is nice to watch.
In my opinion, I really don't see why a fly should be "banned" because the entire point of fishing as a sport is doing whatever you can to fool the fish. I would understand if you were actually cheating somehow, like literally brainwashing all of the fish in the water or something, but this is just really good bait. I don't see the issue with that. If it's so good, maybe other people should use it
I thought this was about the bug Fly when I clicked on it. I was wondering how the hell they banned a bug.
To be clear, banned from competition. In all my years of fly fishing, and license checks that go with the hobby, not one officer has requested I open my flybox or even cared what I had tied on.
Depends on the river as well as some do ban specific patterns like the squirmy worm and eggs
Your videos are very much appreciated! Any chance you can provide a link or description of the hook & orange bead combo you use in the veiled egg pattern?? Thanks so much.
I’m sure it’s been done before, but I’ve made a fly with the shank wrapped in wire and then just yellow chenille to look like a corn kernel… works.
Why would a fly ever be banned? What they’re saying is, “Your work is too good. You can be good at your craft, but not that good.”Which makes no sense, whatsoever.
Never thought hooks for fishing could be this seriously well thought of
Even plain hooks are very thought out. After all the hook is the most important part of fishing. Theres all kinds of variables when it comes to hooks.
This is like a rabbit hole. Once you watch you fall in. Ide have a hard time using any of these flies, they are pieces of art. Thanks
Glad you enjoyed them!
Could you give us some links to the ban for the first fly in the 1800's?
There’s no such thing as a fly that’s “banned” unless it doesn’t comply to local regulations, then they are ALL banned when they don’t comply lol… common sense
After watching this I instantly understand why people make fishing flies as a hobby even if they don't use them
Fish be like:
8:40 "Hmm I'll take a gamble here, looks real but I'll wait and see if it takes off and and lands again"
9:45 "Ooh la la that is either a piece of stick or a worm, either way I'm munching on that!"
Very nice tutorial! Not sure why I haven’t come across your channel but now, I’ve caught ya and not going to release!
Glad you enjoyed the video! We’ve got a great collection of flies for you to browse through
and all these years ive been fishing an crank magneto from an old phone. Seriously ..very cool work.
Is this man the binging with babish of fly tying
"Why are you ordering a fly fishing rod, you just started with a reel and rod a month ago."
The man with nice voice makes it sound nice.
😂😂
Banned by whom? Where is this written down?
I mostly tie Wretched Mess flies. They kinda look like the wretched mess in a trouts stomach.
Hey now! I’ve made something VERY similar to this one! Except for the hackle, it’s identical! 😅 guess I’ll work on nymphos this weekend.
Omg!!!! NYMPHS!!!! NYMPHS!!!!
Hey man that sounds like a fun weekend!!!
Love fishing but never took the time for fly fishing. I am actually surprised that there are "banned" flies because they work too good. I would have never thought that was even a thing.
The thing is, there are fish you'd never get to even look at anything else... trophy browns that will only eat larva the size of an eyelash (during the time you happen to be fishing there). Drag something like a roostertail or rapala through, they'll swim directly away immediately and likely stop feeding for the rest of the day.
Great video. No nonsense and great presentation. These are quite a variety of flies.
For the first fly, I don't understand why one should be careful to wind the gold wire with the same spacing. What do the fish care about this?
I have never seen a fly being made. Amazing skills!!!
Nostalgia. As a kid I used to prep fishing gear after my daily Sanpei watch LOL
Love your clean presentation style and step by step instructions.
do they not name these things? i just wanna buy them on amazon 💀
I don't do fly fishing, but I always appreciated the flies both as art and a science. Though, as some of these show, you don't need to reinvent the yarn string if you're playing with a cat. There's just some cues that gets animals interested, and I can imagine how these catch the eye of a fish even if not at all natural looking. Though the level of detail on some of the natural looking flies I see are amazing. But hey, why spend top $ on cat toys when plastic bottle lids are more fun anyway?
Agreed. I fell on this by accident and I am completly mesmerised.
I'm not expert bit you're goose tail was tied quickly and wasn't places properly, it should have been pinch wrapped pulling from the bottom to make the goose feather stick up with a slight curve almoast, gorgeous tie only issue I saw, along with you could use some type of glue to secure the tinsel a little better, Tight lines! EDIT: talking about the great Alexander
One day my son and I were fishing these private ponds for Father’s Day having zero luck. I told him I’m trying my Booby Flies. Holy Smokes; constant fish on, all big ones!! Just cast a sinking line and fish it stationary. When the line swims away you have a FISH ON!!
so when i was a kid, i was going fishing and used most of this flies... no fish whatsoever ... but i did get a lot of wood flies trying to mate with my fishing rod while i was trowing rocks in the water...
Do these flies carry a felony or misdemeanor?
Most are for competitions so nether. The ones for specific waters are probably the lowest fine you could get
@@bravotangoxray Oh wow, that's interesting! It would be awkward to explain that one after a job background check
Life sentence
The first design fly in this video was amazing
i'm new to fishing, only picked it up a month ago. Help me understand why "banned" lures/baits are a thing?
Yeah ban ones that'll do more harm than good to the fish but ban ones that are "too successful"?
There are plenty of materials to just glue to the hook! I catch a lot of fish using colored grubs.😁😄
I was scoffed by a fisherman after I caught a trout on a royal coachman dry fly. Some people are purists and prefer only fishing with patterns that mimic known scientific names. :P The first fly looked like a classic though. :)
I have little interest in actually doing fly fishing, but that's a combination of being disabled (I require something solid and stable to keep from falling) and being poor. If I were in better shape, and had enough income to buy the necessary gear, I could see me trying it out...but it would be stupid to spend all that money, only to find it doesn't thrill me.
The thing that does interest me, is fly tying. One of my favorite murder mystery series is Foyle's War. Foyle loves to fly fish, and is an expert in fly tying. This wouldn't have mattered much, but they had enough sense to show the flies close up. Of course, getting into fly tying, without actually using them, seems like a pointless hobby...and also requires some investment to get started, though I probably have a fair amount of the tools I'd need. Well...since I already have too many hobbies that I'm kind of ignoring, it'd be stupid to add yet another...so, I guess I won't get into it, but at least watching them being tied is pretty interesting.
Great photography! Lighting, focus: perfect! But you make tying look way too easy.
I been fly fishing for 23 years I proudly have used a majority of these.
Knowing WHY such and such is "Banned" would have been nice..
Somedays, I brush my hair for that extra buggy look.
And for those really boujee fish you can add a Diamond with platinum wraps for bigger trophies
How to drag a hook to make it look FABULOUS!!!
In having a hard time conceptualizing how a custom hand made and unique fly can be banned for being "too good". Isnt making good flies part of the deal? Isnt that the point? What are there only a select list of legal flies? Seems like a strange format to me.
Awesome video nonetheless!
Your teaching us some illegal stuff 😂
But really, there is an artistic angle to this. I'll most likely never make one, but its damn satisfying to watch!
Banned from what?
"Helicopter the excess free".
Dude I thought I was the only one that did that.... oh, wait.
Ive never been fishing and dont know crap about it. Im just suuuper curious as to why these hooks are controversial that led them be banned or considered to become banned.
Would be nice to know why these flies are so effective. Which invertebrates do they mimic?
They don't necessarily imitate inverts. Could be fish. But these are mostly attractor patterns which means they don't imitate any one specific creature....they just loosely imitate a bunch of them
Me who never fished: oh I should definietly watch this!
love the channel! New Sub here! Waving hi from SF!! I thought intially that said Man Leee Flies! Great viedeo!
Glad you enjoyed it Ian! Thanks for joining in!
It is a great skillet to make lures, although I once saw a guy from Honduras make one from a black garbage bag and a weight that actually worked.
Yeah honestly you don’t always need much I’ve tied some very weird ones that still catch fish including a cheeseburger
Banned? Who's going to police any "ban"?
Yep, because the fish can tell if the wraps are not evenly spaced
No idea why the Alexanda would be banned (unless you mean in North American waters). It's an old & established pattern I used to tie & fish in English reservoirs in the seventies.