How I came up with my answer/estimate: According to reddit the diameter of europa is 19km. I need the radius, which is 9.5km. I convert km to meters to get 9500 meters. The volume of a sphere is (4/3)pi(r)^3 which comes out to be 3.59136*10^12 when i plug everything in. There is a physics equation that states that Mass/Volume= Density. The density of water is about 997 kg/m^3. But we want ice. The density of ice is about 917. kg/m^3 If you have the density, which is a ratio, and then if you have volume... you can find the mass. Using Density = Mass/Volume I plugged in the values to get: 917 kg/m^3= mass/3.59136*10^12 kg/m^3. I multiply both sides by volume to get my final answer which is 3.29*10^15 kilograms of ice. This is all off the top of my head of course. The question Andrew asked is a standard physics question at my university. I can't believe I was able to use what I learned so soon. Sorry if I sent anyone into PTSD!
Choke_Me _Funny good question. Naw it assumes 2 things: it’s a perfect sphere and that it’s completely solid Ice, which is solid ice in game. To make a more accurate estimate for the mountains and valleys we’d need to get into calculus 2 and 3.
This is actually super simple math and I came up with this math in the first few seconds of the video. Also the volume of the rocky core has to be substracted wich we have got estimations of or rather how thick the icy surface is. I doubt people will get PTSD of that xD
@@choccymilk596 At this point, we're dealing with such large numbers that we can just assume that every hill fills every valley enough to make it a perfect sphere. Even if it doesn't, the numbers we're dealing with are so large that even a million kilograms either way won't really change our answer all that much. BB would have probably gotten a significantly larger variation than a million if he had used one less or one more digit of Pi in his calculation.
Omg that was a hilarious intro! Def needed the pick me up today :P edit: I will donate all the se credits to the Space Kids Orphanage known to help children who lost their parents to Klang. Thank you.
this was a very interesting video however about 98% of the people watching this video (me included) will probably forget that number within the next 24 hours
before watching the video, here's my guess. 10^21 kg. This is calculated based on a lot of assumptions: -First, assume Europa is fully made of ice. It's probably not, but I'm just doing an estimation. -Second, assume it's 1000km in diameter. Almost certainly not, but its just a guess. From my time playing universe sandbox, that's around the size of the moon so let's assume its the case in space engineers as well (which, of course, it's not) -Third, assume Europa is a cube. Of course it's not, but this will make the math easier and I'm already being so innacurate it doesn't matter. If I remember correctly, 1 m^3 of water weighs 1000 kg. Let's assume ice is the same density (which it's not, it's a bit lower than water), but again, this is an estimate So, because we want cubic meters, we convert the km to m, to get a 1 million by 1 million by 1 million meter cube of ice, or 10^6 cubed, or 10^18 m^3 of ice. Multiply by 1000 (or 10^3) to convert to kilograms to get approximately 10^21kg of ice. Let's watch the video to see how accurate my estimate is! edit: okay my estimate sucked, the actual number's roughly 10^15 so I was off by about 5 orders of magnitude
That's also a very _high_ estimate of its ice content, as Europa also contains various deposits of ores. Not sure what percentage of Europa comprises ore, but it's certainly non-trivial.
Well, Big Red is the biggest ship I've ever made and she maybe 12 H2 tanks. Considering that the amount of ice on Europa could easily fill 4 BILLION H2 tanks, I would need a ship about 339 MILLION times the size of Big Red to use all of the ice on Europa.
Can you siege a castle in space engineers? Can you launch a spaceball at a castle door to save the cookies from the evil king? Do trebuchettes and stuff even work?
I estimate it at 4.050 quadrillion. Why? Because, if you noticed, the amount of kg slowly curves downward like it is slowly lowering to a certain amount as the volume of what was mined went up. (think on graphing Tan(X)=Y only having graph extend out horizontally instead of vertically. I suggest graphing your results with X being the size of the cube or the volume, and Y being the kg of ice mined.
Now the question is, is the Europa ingame a complete ball of ice? I seem to recall that if you dig deep enough it turns into rock much like most of the other planets ingame. Which means that you would need to work out the diameter of the inner ball of rock and then subtract that from the 4.1 quadrillion you already have to get the true amount of ice.
The real europa has only a very thin layer of ice on the surface compared to the full volume of the moon, however the space engineers version is very unrealistic, it has no rocky core, and of course no liquid water. There are ores in the ice, but they are rare enough that they probably don't effect the total volume by much.
Next up, how many large grid large cargo containers to store it, how many large grid hydrogen tanks to store the resulting fuel processed from it, and how long it would take to accelerate that resulting grid on a single large hydrogen thruster. :D
Worked it out and that much ice is enough to keep one engineer breathing for 170 trillion years or almost half way until the universe stops producing new stars, and 1/10th the way until the sun becomes a black dwarf
For those larger blocks of ice it might have been easier to have used the Nanobot Drill mod, rather than making all those hundreds of drilling heads. Perhaps then Great Klang wouldn't have been summoned. Also, just a pet peeve of mine is the fact that Europa is a moon of Jupiter, not Mars (or is it Saturn? No it's Jupiter). Mars' TWO moons are called Phobos and Deimos, basically just captured asteroids in Mars gravity. Someday Keen will put out a patch for the game that will change and correct this error.
Wanted to mention that your emote filming is on point, friend. Naburine may even be impressed enough to forgive her representative being a bearded guy. ;)
one thing that kinda bugs me even tho i know about this much i personally would think that you would get twice the hydrogen but hydrogen takes less space and has less mass i think then oxygen.
Yes, you would! I could not possibly mine the entire Europa because of the game's limitations (it would totally crash), but we tested this on smaller planets and after mining the whole thing, there was a weird empty atmosphere effect that still had gravity.
wait, your estimate is based on it being solid ice, is Europa solid ice in space engineers? Because it should have a rocky interior. In real life the ice in Europa is only about .006% as thick as the total moon, about 20 km's vs. 1560 km radius.
True, this does make that assumption. Come to think of it, I dont know if Europa has a rocky core in SE. If it does, the math isnt much more difficult. Just gotta calculate the size of rocky core and subtract from the assumed size of europa.
Wouldn't it just have been easier to make an ice sphere then mine that. Calculate the diameter of the tiny sphere and the Europa. Then divide them and times that by the volume of ice in the sphere
That actually is what I did! Kind of. The only difference is that I used cubes instead of spheres. I still got the volume of the tiny cubes, but instead of using sphere calculations, I just used length x width x height.
Lmao and if you're really into s&m, you could figure out how many "Large Hydro Thruster burn hours" that it 🤣. I find your videos endlessly entertaining.
Isn't the Core of every planet a Null space to delete trash. Depending on the size of this Null core it might have a significant impact on your calculations.
When you get into numbers this big, the last 5-6 digits don't really matter. A 5% margin of error will cover the irregularities of the surface. Now for the next trick...how much Hydrogen will that produce and how much power can you make from the Hydrogen?
Good point. At the end, we do calculate how much Hydrogen and Oxygen that would be, but we dont calculate the power. That would be interesting to know!
@@AndrewmanGaming I only mention it because that's the eventual goal of Hydrogen, either you're using it for thrust or converting it to power. It'd be nice to see how many MW of power you get out of X kg of ice.
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How I came up with my answer/estimate:
According to reddit the diameter of europa is 19km. I need the radius, which is 9.5km. I convert km to meters to get 9500 meters. The volume of a sphere is (4/3)pi(r)^3 which comes out to be 3.59136*10^12 when i plug everything in.
There is a physics equation that states that Mass/Volume= Density. The density of water is about 997 kg/m^3. But we want ice. The density of ice is about 917. kg/m^3 If you have the density, which is a ratio, and then if you have volume... you can find the mass. Using Density = Mass/Volume I plugged in the values to get: 917 kg/m^3= mass/3.59136*10^12 kg/m^3. I multiply both sides by volume to get my final answer which is 3.29*10^15 kilograms of ice.
This is all off the top of my head of course. The question Andrew asked is a standard physics question at my university. I can't believe I was able to use what I learned so soon. Sorry if I sent anyone into PTSD!
Does that also account for the hills and valleys of Europa
Choke_Me _Funny good question. Naw it assumes 2 things: it’s a perfect sphere and that it’s completely solid Ice, which is solid ice in game. To make a more accurate estimate for the mountains and valleys we’d need to get into calculus 2 and 3.
Ooh math. I like. As A uss mathematics student (upper secondary school) I approve
This is actually super simple math and I came up with this math in the first few seconds of the video. Also the volume of the rocky core has to be substracted wich we have got estimations of or rather how thick the icy surface is. I doubt people will get PTSD of that xD
@@choccymilk596 At this point, we're dealing with such large numbers that we can just assume that every hill fills every valley enough to make it a perfect sphere.
Even if it doesn't, the numbers we're dealing with are so large that even a million kilograms either way won't really change our answer all that much. BB would have probably gotten a significantly larger variation than a million if he had used one less or one more digit of Pi in his calculation.
Omg that was a hilarious intro! Def needed the pick me up today :P
edit: I will donate all the se credits to the Space Kids Orphanage known to help children who lost their parents to Klang. Thank you.
yep lol
Thanks for being a contestant on The Ice is Right!
nice surprise to see a cameo from u bud
@@ScalarUA-cam thanks! I like doing cameos :P
'SUFF-ICE' That really got me
haha andrew is so punny!
The mesothilioma commercial was just like the real one but with less depression.
this was a very interesting video
however about 98% of the people watching this video (me included) will probably forget that number within the next 24 hours
Remember!!!!! 4.16 quadrillion. 4.16 quadrillion. 4.16 quadrillion. 4.16 QUADRILLION :D
before watching the video, here's my guess. 10^21 kg.
This is calculated based on a lot of assumptions:
-First, assume Europa is fully made of ice. It's probably not, but I'm just doing an estimation.
-Second, assume it's 1000km in diameter. Almost certainly not, but its just a guess. From my time playing universe sandbox, that's around the size of the moon so let's assume its the case in space engineers as well (which, of course, it's not)
-Third, assume Europa is a cube. Of course it's not, but this will make the math easier and I'm already being so innacurate it doesn't matter.
If I remember correctly, 1 m^3 of water weighs 1000 kg. Let's assume ice is the same density (which it's not, it's a bit lower than water), but again, this is an estimate
So, because we want cubic meters, we convert the km to m, to get a 1 million by 1 million by 1 million meter cube of ice, or 10^6 cubed, or 10^18 m^3 of ice. Multiply by 1000 (or 10^3) to convert to kilograms to get approximately 10^21kg of ice.
Let's watch the video to see how accurate my estimate is!
edit: okay my estimate sucked, the actual number's roughly 10^15 so I was off by about 5 orders of magnitude
Ah, its been a while since a space busters video. I always like these, risking your pc rather than mine to find out the same answer, thanks!
Lollll my PC is used to it by now XD
I really enjoy and appreciate your thoroughness. Spreadsheets and satisfying mining footage! Awesome stuff mate! Cheers!
That's also a very _high_ estimate of its ice content, as Europa also contains various deposits of ores. Not sure what percentage of Europa comprises ore, but it's certainly non-trivial.
This has been a long time coming. Good to see this series back. Insane stuff there.
Makes you wonder, how big would a ship need to be in order to use up the same amount of ice as the whole of Europa?
Well, Big Red is the biggest ship I've ever made and she maybe 12 H2 tanks. Considering that the amount of ice on Europa could easily fill 4 BILLION H2 tanks, I would need a ship about 339 MILLION times the size of Big Red to use all of the ice on Europa.
Can you siege a castle in space engineers? Can you launch a spaceball at a castle door to save the cookies from the evil king? Do trebuchettes and stuff even work?
Yes.
Man, this video must have so much work to do. I'm really impressed
I estimate it at 4.050 quadrillion.
Why? Because, if you noticed, the amount of kg slowly curves downward like it is slowly lowering to a certain amount as the volume of what was mined went up. (think on graphing Tan(X)=Y only having graph extend out horizontally instead of vertically.
I suggest graphing your results with X being the size of the cube or the volume, and Y being the kg of ice mined.
I'm about to sit through over 20 minutes of video to find out how much ice is in Europa from a guy who couldn't remember the word "trio."
Nearly 100 likes and no dislikes! nice job man!
Daaaang that's a great ratio!
Now the question is, is the Europa ingame a complete ball of ice? I seem to recall that if you dig deep enough it turns into rock much like most of the other planets ingame.
Which means that you would need to work out the diameter of the inner ball of rock and then subtract that from the 4.1 quadrillion you already have to get the true amount of ice.
0.0 Good question! I assumed that it was a full ice ball but now that you bring it up, I should really dig down to check on that.
@@AndrewmanGaming oops redo!
The real europa has only a very thin layer of ice on the surface compared to the full volume of the moon, however the space engineers version is very unrealistic, it has no rocky core, and of course no liquid water. There are ores in the ice, but they are rare enough that they probably don't effect the total volume by much.
Great and unique video
man i missed this series :)
Next up, how many large grid large cargo containers to store it, how many large grid hydrogen tanks to store the resulting fuel processed from it, and how long it would take to accelerate that resulting grid on a single large hydrogen thruster. :D
Ok... The clang made me choke on my coffee! That was hilarious!
Worked it out and that much ice is enough to keep one engineer breathing for 170 trillion years or almost half way until the universe stops producing new stars, and 1/10th the way until the sun becomes a black dwarf
That is awesome!!!
Dude Good job with the start
Random players: * Tells me H2 sucks because it's too hard to find ice. *
Me, a SE veteran: "Noobs."
Mine an entire Micro Europa like a .005 the size this would factor the bumps after upscaling
For those larger blocks of ice it might have been easier to have used the Nanobot Drill mod, rather than making all those hundreds of drilling heads. Perhaps then Great Klang wouldn't have been summoned.
Also, just a pet peeve of mine is the fact that Europa is a moon of Jupiter, not Mars (or is it Saturn? No it's Jupiter). Mars' TWO moons are called Phobos and Deimos, basically just captured asteroids in Mars gravity. Someday Keen will put out a patch for the game that will change and correct this error.
Haha I think Keen wanted to put Europa in the game without putting in the massive and uninhabitable Jupiter in as well. Call it a creative choice.
Is that OBJ export thing of SE still working? you could eport a the tank model and renderder instances in blender to visulize it.
Wanted to mention that your emote filming is on point, friend.
Naburine may even be impressed enough to forgive her representative being a bearded guy. ;)
Lolll this means a lot coming from you guys :D
Thats very informative :)
Isn't this where one would normally consume an entire mini-europa and scale up from there?
Ho, man! What an intro! Nice!
Thanks!
Great Video 👍🏻
one thing that kinda bugs me even tho i know about this much i personally would think that you would get twice the hydrogen but hydrogen takes less space and has less mass i think then oxygen.
If you mine out the entire planet would you just end up with a phantom gravity well?
Yes, you would! I could not possibly mine the entire Europa because of the game's limitations (it would totally crash), but we tested this on smaller planets and after mining the whole thing, there was a weird empty atmosphere effect that still had gravity.
wait, your estimate is based on it being solid ice, is Europa solid ice in space engineers? Because it should have a rocky interior. In real life the ice in Europa is only about .006% as thick as the total moon, about 20 km's vs. 1560 km radius.
True, this does make that assumption. Come to think of it, I dont know if Europa has a rocky core in SE. If it does, the math isnt much more difficult. Just gotta calculate the size of rocky core and subtract from the assumed size of europa.
Wouldn't it just have been easier to make an ice sphere then mine that. Calculate the diameter of the tiny sphere and the Europa. Then divide them and times that by the volume of ice in the sphere
That actually is what I did! Kind of. The only difference is that I used cubes instead of spheres. I still got the volume of the tiny cubes, but instead of using sphere calculations, I just used length x width x height.
Lmao and if you're really into s&m, you could figure out how many "Large Hydro Thruster burn hours" that it 🤣. I find your videos endlessly entertaining.
"but of course, thats just an estimate, a GAME estimate"
You should check the Volume not the "amount"
Looks like your ice skipped straight past the H2/O2 generator and rocketed all on its own...
i actually never saw Nab with a beard. looks very snazzy ;)
I know :P
I was shocked, I tell you. Shocked. - Naburine
Deep sigh of defeat, I'll take Second : )
Aint no shame in second!
bow to me peasant
@@ScalarUA-cam lol
@@AndrewmanGaming True, but 1st place would be N-ice ; )
Clang Drive confirm 12:40
Wow
And now I want to mine out the entire Planet and make it a time-laps :/
Do it! It will probably take many many hours of your time, but I believe in you XD
kerbal space program has its kraken...
space engineers has its clang
why not buy sparks of the future pack?
I do have the pack. What made you think I didnt?
Isn't the Core of every planet a Null space to delete trash. Depending on the size of this Null core it might have a significant impact on your calculations.
Earth doesn't, that's for certain
Pair then trio
When you get into numbers this big, the last 5-6 digits don't really matter. A 5% margin of error will cover the irregularities of the surface. Now for the next trick...how much Hydrogen will that produce and how much power can you make from the Hydrogen?
Good point. At the end, we do calculate how much Hydrogen and Oxygen that would be, but we dont calculate the power. That would be interesting to know!
@@AndrewmanGaming I only mention it because that's the eventual goal of Hydrogen, either you're using it for thrust or converting it to power. It'd be nice to see how many MW of power you get out of X kg of ice.
now some mad lad go and mine the entire thing and we'll compare.
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Marsothemeoma😂😂
Trio
soo 1.16 kg per liter. whoah. Space Engineers ice shouldn't float. it sinks. or water density is also broken around 1.2 kg/L
Now it all makes sense.
The Borg collective have mined a single Europa for their entire fleet.
(/s obviously)
Here in 2022 and this game is still the same sad story of crap falling into other crap. Fix your crap physics Keen.
Great and unique video