All open world games feel lonely after the ending, but RDR1 feels deliberate in that loneliness. The empty Marston home, after so many characters bled and died for it, is so sad
Especially, after playing RDR2, you realize that you’re the only one around. Imagine everyone that you once knew is dead, you’ll definitely feel some sense of loneliness.
And even the Rdr2 ending felt a happy ending but we knew it wasn't going to last forever which tragic how he was trying change but the devils of his past has denied him from ever taking that chance.
The news papers make it worse cause it tells you how so many of them died or had bad fates. Bonnie and Johnson are kind of the only ones that had a good ending
I feel like RDR 2 makes the epilogue of RDR 1 even sadder. To think how little 4 year old Jack was surrounded by all those people in Dutch's gang, then fast forward just 15 years and he's the ONLY one left. I mean granted Sadie, Charles, Mary-Beth and Tilly are probably still alive, but they're not around anymore. Just sad to see Jack go from being surrounded by family to being all alone.
Honestly, the ending of gta4 isn't much less depressing no matter which one of the two you choose. And also both games endings revolve around chasing revenge only to find out how empty it really feels after its done. Rockstar games had a lot of serious, incredibly good writing back then. When other game's endings were like "woohoo fanfares playing confetti falling you did it you killed the main bad guy good job", here it was just you, a dead guy you just killed and silence. You did it, only to be left without a purpose.
I like gta 4 but I feel like it couldn't commit to the loneliness aspect of the game, Niko still has his friends and cousin meanwhile Jack has no one, no friends and depending on how many strangers missions you'd completed, no story, all that's there for Jack is pretty much the rd1 soundtrack
@MrBossFML This. You can still do activities with all his friends and Roman (depending on the ending). There's like nothing to do after the end of RDR1. You can roam and do the occasional random encounter but there's no companions or friends to do anything with. Super depressing honestly
@@spiddy1335You’re neglecting a huge element. The GTA IV trilogy has a particular message when it comes to greed and humanity. Niko gets no happy ending because he either caves to greed or wrath. Johnny gets his best friend killed and causes the end of The Lost due to greed and envy (play it again, and you’ll notice he and Billy are the same but on different sides of the coin when you realise Billy might have been crazy, but he didn’t mess with people bigger than him). Luis gets the happy ending because he chooses empathy over greed and pride, even if that is empathy involves a high body count 😂 Then when you look at V. Those characters are literally a response to those who glorified the characters in the IV trilogy.
One part I find particularly depressing is that Jack never wanted to be a rancher. He never wanted to own a ranch. That was John and Abigail's dream. But now, at this point in the story, John, Abigail, Uncle, they're all gone. The ranch was built in 1907 for John to raise his family on. Earn an honest living. 4 years later in 1911, that's taken away by Edgar Ross doublecrossing John. The dream is dropped into Jack's lap. 3 years later than that, the dream is gone. Abigail is dead, the farm is in disrepair and all the animals are gone except Jack's horse, cause Jack doesn't want to be a rancher. He doesn't know how. So he's stuck, with a purpose built house that is no good to him, built for three but he's alone, trying to live up to the expectations of the people he loved that died to get him where he is, John, Abigail, Uncle and, with RDR2, Arthur, but he has nothing in his life that makes him happy. Instead he is just overloaded with reminders of the tragedies of his life. And his dialogue when you play as him makes it pretty clear just how empty inside he is, with no clue how to change it.
@@zNoxius For what it's worth, it seems Jack did get some measure of a happy ending, since you can find a book in GTA V written by J. Marston. I choose to take that as confirmation that Jack more or less got away with his life as an outlaw in 1914, Ross' death was considered an accident or the killer was just never found and, eventually, Jack managed to heal. My headcanon is at some point, he just left America. Went down to Mexico, possibly to avoid being drafted into WW1. Found a purpose watching over Chuparosa like Landon Ricketts did. Then, at some point, returned to the US, settled down and wrote the story of his life and of the Van Der Linde gang. Then maybe afterwards, other books. Finally achieving the only thing he ever really wanted: to be an author.
@@haileybennett4006 yes because states like California and New York are directly mentioned in RDR while in GTA those are San Andreas State and Liberty State
When I was skinning animals playing as Jack, I noticed his dialogue made me realize how alone he was. He's pretty much talking to himself since he has no one else to talk to. Only his dead parents.
I have dreams of the place because the house i live in looks exactly like it and the dreams be so weird as well and lonely like the soundtrack and feeling of beechers hope
Most of my old saves as Jack were from the Blackwater hotel suite, that was the only bit of social interaction Jack got otherwise because of how lonely he is at the end of the game.
@@epik_soap_eater ye maybe cuz hes old from 1907 abigail and jack adopted him for fist time he wasnt that young and till 1914 maybe he died but he has no grave
Something you didn’t even notice is that the house is a lot more dirty now. A lot of dust on the floor, to signify that no one really lives there anymore.
when you return to the farm as npc jack to find john if you avoid the barn and go straight for the house most of the time rufus is hiding in jacks room, which is clearly intentional because rufus cannot enter the house on his own. if you use the cheat to switch to jack early while at beechers hope, the rest of your family will disappear but rufus will still be there, meaning the devs probably planned to keep him around, but got rid of him to really set in the feeling of complete loneliness
(he will also sometimes spawn on the roof above jacks room, if you turn your music volume all the way down in settings it will be easier to hear his panting, if he's not there the first time you check you can get him to spawn by abandoning abigail and retrying checkpoint)
@@robotb0ythegam3r when you first start the mission he won't spawn until john enters the house and triggers the first cutscene with jack and abi. once you go outside the game will make it a point to spawn him in right in front of the porch and have him run into the workshop to hide before the final encounter where you can see him in jacks room
There's an electric guitar riff that echos which reminds me exacly of the riffs you hear in Jim Jarmusch's Dead Man. Which is a Western made in the 90s with Johnny Depp. Neil Young does the soundtrack and I swear they took inspiration and put it in the Tall Trees music.
@@juliangrant9718That riff came out perfectly one time as I was galloping through the woods when I heard something behind me. I reverse camera, and, sure enough, it was a grizzly, intently chasing after. "TWANNNNNG!"
@@henryhoward9454 RDR just provides moments to make your own story. I remember after I finished Undead Nightmare, I would sit in my barn on the second story and just stare out that big window overlooking the house as zombie Marston. I would do it for an hour before even playing just listening to the music and watch the sun set.
West elizabeth is an extremely odd place compared to the other areas of rdr1. When you're in new austin or mexico it can feel empty, but there's always a shootout or robbery happening right around the corner. The lands are untamed and dangerous. But then there's west elizabeth. Most people live in blackwater and don't have any reason to leave, you'll see people ride around here and there, but other than that, it's completely baron. You feel like you're all alone for the first time in the whole game. And then the music starts and you feel like you aren't really alone, but just don't know what's there with you. The state is in this weird purgatory between being safe and modern and being unsafe and empty. I try not to stay up there longer than I have to
That’s what I love about any western games. It feels civilised and ‘modern’ to a degree, but you can’t let yourself get used to it, because not too far away is brutality and savagery.
In the end, nothing John or Arthur did mattered... Jack ended up alone, without anyone to stand by his side, just like Arthur did on that mountain, and just like how John did at the farm... He indeed was the last Outlaw...
That's why I'm curious to know what they'll do with the franchise, because if they're going to portray 1914 going forward, it's no longer the Wild West. If they portray the formation of the gang, it will be another prequel and we already know how it will all end too. I think it got complicated.
@@RDRPlayer. The game was about the dying West anyway, the Wild West was still a thing in the 1920s but it was mostly in Mexico and the deep southern USA. It still exists today irl but only in Mexico
I like to believe that the other survivors after RDR2 are still alive somewhere after RDR1. Obviously the game never mentions em cuz it's a prequel, but seeing that Milton and Ross and the Pinkertons/Bureau were only really interested in the gangs leaders and the main gunmen I don't feel they'd be interested in people like Pearson and Swanson, Mary-Beth and Tilly etc. Uncle is encountered freely roaming the streets of Blackwater in the epilogue and Pearson bought the general store in Rhodes. If the Pinkertons wanted everyone I'm sure they would have taken them down easily. Trelawny and Tilly both live comfortably in St. Denis, Swanson moved to NY to lead a church there, Mary-Beth became a writer under a pen name and I like to feel Sadie and Charles moved far enough away to escape the Pinkertons/Bureau's reach.
A lot of new players just cant even begin to understand the empty feeling of finishing red dead before 2 came out, a lot of us really thought this was the final conclusion of the game, no red dead 2, just a sad empty desert for jack to wander alone…..
The only comfort I can take after RDR1 now is that following the events of RDR2, far as I'm concerned, Charles, Sadie, Pearson, Mary-Beth, Tilly, Trelawny and Swanson are still alive, somewhere. Milton, Ross and the Pinkertons were only ever after the leaders and main gunmen of the gang. The women and those who mostly stayed at camp like Pearson and Swanson were of little value to them and not worth capturing. Else how could Uncle have been able to freely return to Blackwater by the time John sees him in the epilogue? Or Pearson buying the general store in Rhodes? Charles & Sadie I feel got far enough away from the Pinkerton's jurisdiction that they escaped, Swanson moved to New York, Tilly and Trelawny both live happy lives in St Denis and Mary-Beth became a writer under a pen name (whether she lives in Valentine or not is uncertain).
I don't get why you would think that though. It's not like Jack is part of a gang or anything right? He could move on with his life he seems quite smart and capable.
@@sugoi9680 its a shame, but he probably abandoned Beechers, became a writer, and moved to Los Angeles. (John's Hat in a trash can in LA Noire, and the RDR Book in GTAV, written by J Marston)
Beecher’s Hope gives a feeling of kenopsia, an eerie feeling that I once knew of this place as lively with people hanging around but now feels deserted. But since completing the Red Dead 2 storyline, I understand that Jake is now the only one around. Everyone he once knew is dead or gone, which adds to the loneliness that I already felt.
It breaks my heart and makes me feel empty. I played RDR2 before RDR, so it's not just the weight of John and Abigail I feel, it's of the entire gang of charming, wonderful misfits that are already dead (well, with a few exceptions like Tilly or Mary-Beth, but still).
In a way, the west elizabeth track just adds emptiness to the game when playing as Jack. When playing as John, the soundtrack gave off a daunting feeling of foreshadowing John’s inevitable fate. But when playing as Jack, it just makes everything feel empty as if it’s just playing because everyone in Jack’s life is gone and it just adds somber and emptiness.
I hate being alone in beachershope alone it feels like creepy and lonely and you can find npcs there camping or hunting specially at the night some weird things happend. I always go down to mexico or new Austin
One time, I started a new game and finished all the mainline story missions except for the last so I can roleplay John being a family man in Beecher's Hope.
When in a shootout jack will angrily shout that he doesn’t care whether he lives or dies and that he’s all alone going back to the house must be very painful for him
There are even wolves and coyotes here at the end to make it feel even more abandoned! Made my last save file with jack in Mexico at Irish’s shack because I believe jack went into hiding in Mexico after clipping Ross😭
I also saw a damn cougar creepily roaming in the farm at the end of Rdr1 while in Rdr2's Epilogue, not even an NPC can enter the farm! It's completely abandoned at the end of Rdr1 while John hoped for it to become the nicest farm in the county...😔
I was going to Beecher's Hope to refill ammo since it was the closest hideout and i shit you not there were 3 bears roaming waaaay too close to the house
@@Slapnuts9627 Man, litteraly everyone knows it. When they watch playthrough from beginning to end of other players or when they say "oh a new quest that wasn't here before and called Remember My Family, let's go check it" and then the credits roll.
It also feels empty to be at Beecher’s hope at the end of Undead Nightmare with Zombie John too. Almost like Abigail and Jack left after John’s death, and he has to just roam the world as a monster
He maybe found a cure, It's the only one to mount a as a zombie so he is enough to find a cure but the idea is where? Maybe he throw the mask under the Glacier of Grizzlies West!?
The atmosphere in this game trumps rdr 2, I gotta say. Crows chirping and that tense piano.. a lot of unrest in that place. Live by the sword, die by the sword
I felt alone here after the ending. I once had a random npc walk onto beecher's hope and he just started doing the things that Jack, Abigail, and Uncle would normally do. Ngl, it made me feel a little happy
I strongly believe Beechers Hope is haunted. Rockstar probably added the weird noises when you're alone there to make it seem haunted. I've had creepy experiences in game there.
I agree, but I think Dutch was also at fault, mainly for allowing someone like Micah in the gang all that time, and it was more than evident what kind of guy he was, in addition to Hosea's warning from Blackwater. Well, it’s a sum of factors. We can even take into account the beginning of the prologue of RDR2 when it appears that it was the end of the old west and the gangs were being hunted and destroyed.
Not really. Dutch was always just an opportunistic criminal. He would have gotten everyone killed eventually no matter what. Always some new scheme or some new plan. Hosea might have been fine with everyone living as free-roaming gypsy hippies but that was never what Dutch had in mind. He wanted to burn everything he didn’t like, and he was willing to recruit as many fatherless orphans as he needed to so he could get his revenge on the world. Micah was just an opportunist who took what he could whenever he could get it. He was able to betray the gang easily because he hadn’t formed any attachments to anyone in it. A rolling stone gathers no moss. He was a real criminal, not the fairytale crap Dutch was selling to his gang of misfits. Nobody liked Micah much anyway, so why would he feel bad for cutting a deal and getting a blank check to do whatever he wanted for 8 years? It’s a good thing it was Micah. If it had been someone else, even more or the gang would have been killed or imprisoned. If no one had betrayed the group, Dutch would have gotten everyone killed doing something stupid anyway.
Much of it is their fault, yes, but John went after Micah and drew attention to himself, besides the life of an outlaw is almost one of no return. You don't get to live a bad life and have good things happen to you.
Well, the thing is that there were several factors that led to all this happening, for example: those who are most to blame are both Micah and Dutch for leading the gang to its ruin. one for being a rat without moral codes (not even among outlaws) and the other for being egocentric and manipulative. Then there is also the fact that in the year in which the events of RDR 2 take place, they clearly tell you that the outlaws and their gangs are being hunted and annihilated since the United States was becoming more civilized. But there is also John's decision to go and kill Micah and even taking all the money they stole from Blackwater that Agent Ross himself went to look for. causing all the agency's attention to go to John and the events of rdr 1 to happen. What makes me think is that, what would have happened if John had not gone to kill Micah and had not taken the money from Blackwater? When Micah meets John in the epilogue, he tells him that he would have liked to go visit Beecher's Hope to kill him and hurt Abigail and Jack. If so, then at least he was saved from meeting Micah and his entire gang and having them raid Beecher's Hope.
As of July 22, 2024, this place is now in decay and forgotten. some homeless person sleeps there for the rainy night. It just shows how life short it is and nothing last forever, in the end. Jack lived to maybe 100 to 107 years old (1995 or 2002), his autobiography “red dead” sold millions of copies and they started to make movies or video games of him and his family (lol), anyway that’s the moral of the story
Man watching this feels sad, I still wonder if the rest of the remaining Van Der Linde gang like Sadie, Charles, Pearson ever knew if John died, if they ever wondered if Jack was still around, if they ever visit both John and Abigail’s grave just once
I feel like Pearson would probably know, given the close proximity Rhodes is to West Elizabeth. Someone would've probably came into his store and mention something about John/the ranch whatever. The rest I ain't too sure
Unless Sadie or Charles happened to encounter someone who mentioned John or an incident at Beecher Hope involving gunfire, that news would likely be forgotten within days. Jack wasn't particularly close to either of them, so he wouldn't know how to contact them, and even if he did, it's doubtful he would want to involve them in a complicated situation with the government, especially after his confrontation with Ross.
Sadie's whole purpose in the epilogue Is to avenge Arthur she brings it up all the time so it's safe to assume Sadie visited Arthur's grave one last time before she left the country Charles probably did to John stops visiting Arthur by the time RDR1 comes along but its safe to assume that maybe Sadie would look up on Jack in the future not sure about Charles tho
To this day I have never understood why Edgar Ross broke his agreement with John and ambushed him and his family. He fulfilled his contract with the government and was rehabilitated. Corruption? Desire to kill?
Ppl tend to forget about Gov. Nate Johns, the guy who Ross reports to. Johns' desire was to rid the state of West Elizabeth and surrounding areas of outlaws. Ross sought to this but as the head of the Bureau of Investigation he had control over how to rid capture the active Van Der Linde gang members and other criminals. Ross had already found John in 1907 but didn't knock on his door until 1910-11 because he knew he would be better at finding his other gang, especially after what happened with Micah. When John fulfilled his end of the bargain Ross himself probably thought all's well that ends well but it was Nate Johns' desire to rid the area of ALL outlaws. It always stayed on my mind why even Ross would commit such a betrayal for years, but like everyone else in the world he answers to somebody and that somebody was Nate Johns. And he gladly took it upon himself to carry out that task.
title of the last mission rdr1: "the last enemy shall be destroyed". doesn't matter if he fulfilled his contract, he was still an opp to the government.
You know playing this growing up i felt a sence of loneliness i hope i never felt but after losing it all and being by myself all these years i can now truly understand his loney journey
How is it that I played this game many times over the course of many years and not once did I notice the message scratched into the ceiling of the barn in the epilogue? Awesome touch.
Jack Marston, the last remaining member of the Van Dir Linde gang. Ross failed in the end. That should be enough to give some measure of happiness, but for some reason, it doesn’t. All’s it gives us a profound feeling of loneliness. Jack Marston, he journeys to a fate unknown, alone. But he lives.
This OST you hear when in West Elizabeth I always thought was creepy especially when you compare it to soundtracks from New Austin and Nuevo Paraiso. They both sound wild and full of nature where's West Elizabeth sounds metallic and unnatural almost foreshadowing the looming shadow of technological progress and spread of civilization has made itself known
Imagine if they made a spin off game of Jack trying to adapt to civilization during the roaring 20s in liberty city, but the way he lived before catches up to him and he ends up between the FIB and the Italian mafia
It always happens. When Jack falls or gets hurt, you can hear John's grunts. 14 years and they never fixed it! Rockstar abandons each one of their games after a bit.
@@Rubrasileiro But they can't have the exact same voice. Plus John's voice is extremely different from Jack's voice so this doesn't really make sense. And don't forget that in Rdr2 once you play as John, you can hear he doesn't sound AT ALL like Arthur when he grunts.
I found it too sad to be at Beachers Hope playing as Jack. Poor kid just buried his mother and he's all alone on the ranch hope RdR 3 gives us the story of jack after he kills Ross
All the deaths from the prologue to each chapters the gang has fallen further and Jack avenged his father all to end up alone while the surviving members might have lost contact to even find Jack it's just sad.
Playing as jack afterward just felt so.. empty. I suppose that’s the way jack feels, just empty and alone. John wanted to build more onto the ranch and make a community outside of backwater, but that’ll never happen now. It’s as if all the time spent in the van der linde gang was all for nothing. Sure we had great memories with them but that’s all there is now, is memories. Even after getting revenge on Ross, we get closure for John but realistically it doesn’t change anything.
@@knightingale9833I hear him bark and some coughs in the house like ghost. Play with headphones on Red Dead redemption 1 on the switch if you can some decent headphones. You're welcome.
I love how sad and isolated everything feels here, it gave me chills in a way I didn’t know a game could as a teenager. Also, I remember once having bounty hunters come after me while I was there, it was actually quite a scary moment, and I can imagine it being horrifying for Jack after what happened the last time someone attacked the ranch!
After finishing the story I was always afraid to go there, the place seemed very quiet and creepy, except sometimes when I can hear a dog barking and I once saw some wolves wandering around there
When i beat red dead 1 for the first time i felt alone especially in beechers hope its something eiree about that place like your being watched and there is no rufus and for some reason being alone in this game is unsetling
Maybe because of Strange Man. Especially if you know his mysteries since RDR2, which proves him observing the Van der Linde gang since Blackwater. I mean, maybe, taking this into account, Jack could indeed be being observed.
Just finished the story for the first time on PC. The music choice for the ranch and the surrounding area is so amazing. It really works with what is happening with Jack at that point in the story ... he's completely alone in this world, still traumatized from his parents deaths and essentially left to wander around in a world that is in many ways empty yet at the same time a ruthless one.
I don't think you're supposed to go back to Beecher's Hope after "Remember My Family". I'm pretty sure Jack can't. He made his decision to take revenge and become an outlaw. There's no turning back after that. He'll be on the run for the rest of his life.
Technically he doesn’t become an outlaw. With there being a book written by Jack in GTA. Another reason why he isn’t is because the brother of Ross said there were some bandits or Mexican outlaws in the area and said to be careful. So Jack can easily say that to any officer that he gave his message to Ross and then left. With Ross not long after the meeting dying in a gunfight with the reported bandits. And it would have been a while til Ross’s brother went to check on Ross since he had been shooting all day so hearing gunfire wouldn’t necessarily cause concern. So in all likelihood Jack got away with it as there were other dangers that Ross was aware of but didn’t care about so the detectives on the case would write it off as a bandit attack or unsolved murder as Jack never gives his name to anyone until meeting Ross, thus then the only lead investigators would have is a young man with brownish black hair, facial hair, and a black hat with a feather in it. Not really enough information for investigators to work with, and at that time probably not care to much about anyways as the description fits a lot of men.
@@keegantripp1245 that's to say that the book in GTA is canonical which R* have confirmed that it's not. Everyone seems to tout that Easter Egg as a fact when we all know it's not. RDR and GTA's world do not connect. RDR's world has a California and a NY. If they wanted to connect those worlds then they would've just used Los Santos or Liberty City instead. Plus, it wouldn't make much sense to have Jack commit a violent act free of consequence. That's what the ending is all about. That Jack made the same mistake his father did by taking revenge. It wouldn't make much of a tale if he got away with it. That whole story you theorised about local gangs making Jack's involvement nebulous, while convincing and a pretty good theory, is just a fan-theory. There is absolutely no evidence to confirm that is what was meant by the writers. What is meant by the writers is that Jack walks his fathers path which is something John and Abigail fought to try and avoid.
@@juliangrant9718miami exist in the gta universe, theres a promotional website with like an airport thing, that says they do flights to miami and right next to it, it says vice city so new york and california can exist in the gta universe, theres even a liscence plate that says california in gta 5, and in gta 4 you get an email from someone saying their in florida, but in gta 6 its called leonida, so if they say new york in rdr for example, liberty city can also exist. Also in gta online el rubio says, he has german grandparents, and in his house you see the german family from rdr2
Jack is left orphaned by a federal agent who felt it necessary to exact vengeance on the one member of the gang who tried and died making a meaningful life out of what he was given. Now the poor damn kid has to wander what is left of the frontier West as the final member of a dying breed of outlaw. Ross will always be the villain. Whether from the angle of subjectivity or objectivity it makes no difference.
@@m.r4841Ross wasn’t simply “doing his job”. He took pleasure in separating John from his family to make him do all his dirty work. He then betrayed John by not honoring the deal they made and laughed to himself as he killed him. Ross was a sadistic man.
@ Yes, but he never harmed innocent. He was only dealing with a very notorious criminal. It is his job to hunt them down and he did exactly that. He took pleasure in it, yes. But that’s only one character flaw. He still isn’t a bad person.
would be interesting to have a red dead take place in the 1930's playing as jack who still remains an cowboy outlaw, and looking out of place in a much more advanced era. blackwater, saint denis, valentine and many other places, once were in primitive states, now turned into major towns and cities. even dirt trails are turned into roads and paths. despite red dead being about the wild west and cowboys, i'd love a situation where a cowboy looks out of place in a society in the 30s
Yes it would be interesting but it wouldn´t make too much sense because the Wild West ended sometime between the 1910´s-1920´s, it would become Mafia 1 which is set in the (1930´s-1938)
I actually noticed that already back in 2011-12 - it's a good reprensation of the situation - it's strange, what music can do to us humans. Family is very important, so the absence of them not being there is very depressing consindering that John Marston just fought throughout this whole game for his right to be with his family.
The fact that Beecher's Hope seemed so lively with John and everyone but now it's just one abounded empty looking farm really makes me sad especially seeing Jake being depressive like he used to be a sweet little boy full of life and now he's just so empty and lonely
Jack may be the most tragic character in all of rdr2. He saw everyone he knew dieng one by one and even his parents. He was forced to live as an outlaw with outlaws since birth, he had no choice. And in the end now he lives all alone on the run from the law for his rest of his life. Damn
Watching thise video made me heavy in my throat beacuse i remberd the summers of 2017-2019 when i used to replay GTA V and RDR1 all the time on my PS3...i wish i could see those moments agian at least in picture forms but this at learend me to take pics more often of waht im doing casue a day will come when ill curse my self for not taking them to rember the fun moments ive had in the past....
i honestly think 2 things happened to jack after the end of rdr 1 1 he ended his life for a simple reason he has no one no friends no pets no family no nothing he has nothing to live for and his dialogue shows a lot of time that he just does not care about his life which make this the most possible theory honestly and is really sad 2 he got trough the emptness and got maybe a girl or decided to live somewhere else but i think thats the least possible thing knowing his dialogue because he is just Alone and i Doubt he would be around people too much or even get interested on a girl soo he could become a druken addict or something
@@cheseg-remastered Well I mean, maybe he won't enlist himself but maybe some government dude will find out that Edgar Ross was killed by Jack and maybe blackmail Jack into joining the army, idk what the government would hold ransom for against Jack but it's just a thought🤣
@@EXOD3str0y3r Blackmail him with what? His family is Dead he has no girlfriend no nothing How do you blackmail a person like that? Hell of a treath He has no Reason to coperate tbh
@@cheseg-remastered U r not wrong, I just thought of blackmailing cuz that's what happened with John but that also brings up something else, Jack has nothing to live for, if he truly continues down the path of loneliness by the time it's 1917, he might just say fuck it and go fight, he would no doubt be well aware at that point how severe and bloody WW1 is and just accept that he might not return home from the war, maybe he will die saving someone idk, anything can happen
when i was a kid playing this game i remember being jack and going into the house to look for rufus and i forgot what i saw but i ended up getting scared to be in the house and left and never went back in
The fact is that this is it. The story is done. Arthur’s dead, Johns dead, Dutch is dead and Jack has nobody at all. Arthur’s sacrifice meant absolutely nothing. This is how the story of have red dead redemption ends.
@@RedNightFox Yeah, i forgot to add them!😅 Karen escaped too but it is said that she drunk herself to death after, sooo do we assume she escaped too or not?
I feel so sorry for Jack. With the Release of RDR 2 and the original ending, he’s literally lost everyone. Well almost everyone. We don’t know what happened to Charles and Sadie, but still.
I couldn’t figure out the point of those ranch missions at the end of the game until after they all die. They put them in so you form an emotional connection with the characters and notice them when they’re gone.
That's when you go out there and make a name for yourself‼️It fully allows you and the character to go out and do things everywhere else even more so especially with money and the ability to get more. The Marston's would not want their son to just stay at home.
I have a great idea for you. I've noticed you've done some Undead Nightmare videos. So why not do either Undead Nightmare as Jack (through mods) or enter the crypt in Escalera before/after finishing the game? Would be interesting to see Jack take on the undead.
@@RDRPlayer.playing RDR1 with the lowest saturation is probably the best way to visualize the thematic process of the game, however you can up the saturation for Mexico, but as you progress you'd lower the saturation until Reyes takes over, since it inversely follows through the thematic process by foreshadowing.
Well, the only main complaint that I agree with is the fact that they recycled Arthur's model for playable John, we could at least have kept his NPC version, but they ended up changing it.
Jack must carry an absurd amount of survivor's guilt, on top of everything else. John and Uncle literally died for him, but he must view it as a waste, outside of avenging them he has no purpose in life. Most epilogues go for some "Endless Summer" vibe where everything worked out and now you can roam the world knowing that your character's problems are over for the time being and they are happy, but in RDR1 it feels more dreary and.. Canon? Like Jack is a deeply unhappy individual who partakes in the same vices his Father did, Drinking and Gambling, but where for John, they were only distractions from his main mission, for Jack and the Player, they are literally the only thing left to do. By extension you could even say that he starts fights on purpose just to get some rush, some excitement, and probably because a part of him wants to be killed during one.
I'm currently replaying RDR1, and because I don't like how lonely it feels after the epilogue I'm actually going to create a separate save after I've completed "At Home With Dutch" and stop there with the story missions so I can still play as John in 1911. So that will be save #2 but the first one is the one I will play through until the end. Because Beecher's is so spooky now when you play as Jack, I remember back in my Xbox 360 days back around the time this game first came out, I'd tend to make MacFarlane's Ranch a stand-in home, using that as my main place to return to before I saved and exited the game. I had this little headcanon that Bonnie would have heard about what happened, and offering Jack to stay there on the ranch with them after retrieving the cattle they had sold to John earlier. Jack would accept, and only occasionally visit Beecher's Hope to visit the graves of John, Abigail and Uncle, but never stayed long as it was just too painful. In my mind as well, Jack would find that Rufus (the family dog) survived the army's attack and now lives with Jack at MacFarlane's Ranch. Some years later, a couple of people from Blackwater would track down Jack and ask to buy the land off him since ownership of it was still his. Jack would accept the offer, hearing that a new family had expressed interest in buying the land and starting a ranch of their own. Jack would only sell the property on the condition that the graves on the hill overlooking the site would not be moved or disturbed in any way.
All open world games feel lonely after the ending, but RDR1 feels deliberate in that loneliness. The empty Marston home, after so many characters bled and died for it, is so sad
Especially after Red Dead 2. Mah friend. The wheight, the wheight its SO unberable.
Especially, after playing RDR2, you realize that you’re the only one around. Imagine everyone that you once knew is dead, you’ll definitely feel some sense of loneliness.
And even the Rdr2 ending felt a happy ending but we knew it wasn't going to last forever which tragic how he was trying change but the devils of his past has denied him from ever taking that chance.
The news papers make it worse cause it tells you how so many of them died or had bad fates. Bonnie and Johnson are kind of the only ones that had a good ending
I feel like RDR 2 makes the epilogue of RDR 1 even sadder. To think how little 4 year old Jack was surrounded by all those people in Dutch's gang, then fast forward just 15 years and he's the ONLY one left. I mean granted Sadie, Charles, Mary-Beth and Tilly are probably still alive, but they're not around anymore. Just sad to see Jack go from being surrounded by family to being all alone.
RDR1 is still to this day one of the most brutally depressing games I’ve played. That ending leaves you so hollow.
Honestly, the ending of gta4 isn't much less depressing no matter which one of the two you choose. And also both games endings revolve around chasing revenge only to find out how empty it really feels after its done. Rockstar games had a lot of serious, incredibly good writing back then. When other game's endings were like "woohoo fanfares playing confetti falling you did it you killed the main bad guy good job", here it was just you, a dead guy you just killed and silence. You did it, only to be left without a purpose.
@@spiddy1335killing Dimitri was good
I like gta 4 but I feel like it couldn't commit to the loneliness aspect of the game, Niko still has his friends and cousin meanwhile Jack has no one, no friends and depending on how many strangers missions you'd completed, no story, all that's there for Jack is pretty much the rd1 soundtrack
@MrBossFML This. You can still do activities with all his friends and Roman (depending on the ending). There's like nothing to do after the end of RDR1. You can roam and do the occasional random encounter but there's no companions or friends to do anything with. Super depressing honestly
@@spiddy1335You’re neglecting a huge element. The GTA IV trilogy has a particular message when it comes to greed and humanity. Niko gets no happy ending because he either caves to greed or wrath. Johnny gets his best friend killed and causes the end of The Lost due to greed and envy (play it again, and you’ll notice he and Billy are the same but on different sides of the coin when you realise Billy might have been crazy, but he didn’t mess with people bigger than him). Luis gets the happy ending because he chooses empathy over greed and pride, even if that is empathy involves a high body count 😂
Then when you look at V. Those characters are literally a response to those who glorified the characters in the IV trilogy.
One part I find particularly depressing is that Jack never wanted to be a rancher. He never wanted to own a ranch. That was John and Abigail's dream. But now, at this point in the story, John, Abigail, Uncle, they're all gone.
The ranch was built in 1907 for John to raise his family on. Earn an honest living. 4 years later in 1911, that's taken away by Edgar Ross doublecrossing John. The dream is dropped into Jack's lap. 3 years later than that, the dream is gone. Abigail is dead, the farm is in disrepair and all the animals are gone except Jack's horse, cause Jack doesn't want to be a rancher. He doesn't know how. So he's stuck, with a purpose built house that is no good to him, built for three but he's alone, trying to live up to the expectations of the people he loved that died to get him where he is, John, Abigail, Uncle and, with RDR2, Arthur, but he has nothing in his life that makes him happy. Instead he is just overloaded with reminders of the tragedies of his life. And his dialogue when you play as him makes it pretty clear just how empty inside he is, with no clue how to change it.
Your comment made me feel Jack's depression
@@zNoxius For what it's worth, it seems Jack did get some measure of a happy ending, since you can find a book in GTA V written by J. Marston. I choose to take that as confirmation that Jack more or less got away with his life as an outlaw in 1914, Ross' death was considered an accident or the killer was just never found and, eventually, Jack managed to heal.
My headcanon is at some point, he just left America. Went down to Mexico, possibly to avoid being drafted into WW1. Found a purpose watching over Chuparosa like Landon Ricketts did. Then, at some point, returned to the US, settled down and wrote the story of his life and of the Van Der Linde gang. Then maybe afterwards, other books. Finally achieving the only thing he ever really wanted: to be an author.
@@nooneinparticular5273Oh my god that's an amazing investigation!
@@nooneinparticular5273It's a sweet headcanon but I should note for those that don't know that GTA and Red Dead are in different universes.
@@haileybennett4006 yes because states like California and New York are directly mentioned in RDR while in GTA those are San Andreas State and Liberty State
When I was skinning animals playing as Jack, I noticed his dialogue made me realize how alone he was. He's pretty much talking to himself since he has no one else to talk to. Only his dead parents.
Most the gang members are dead some gang members left because of Dutch whent crazy like John said in this game
@@jacoblounsbury1686yeah, and the remaining members like Charles and Sadie are far from the US.
@@craigarkensawthere’s still Pearson in Rhodes
Jack stuck in a 2010 game: "bro who the hell is Charles or Sadie or Pearson or even Rhodes lmao"
@@warpdarkmatter true
I remember back in 2010, I’d completely avoid being at Beecher’s Hope with how creepy and downright depressing it was as Jack
I have dreams of the place because the house i live in looks exactly like it and the dreams be so weird as well and lonely like the soundtrack and feeling of beechers hope
Most of my old saves as Jack were from the Blackwater hotel suite, that was the only bit of social interaction Jack got otherwise because of how lonely he is at the end of the game.
@@spaman7716 real shit fuck beechers hope no hope😓
Literally roleplaying as Jack, refusing to go home because there's no one there waiting for him.
All those noises you hear at the house is Uncle's Spirit. It's his way of saying “I have Lumbago.”
*Terminal* lumbago.
@@christopherschroeder4096 👻 I had lumbago
“Jack…even as a ghost… I still have lumbago “
I felt real sorry for jack i dont know why but as a kid my first time i was looking for rufus hoping hes still with jack
Rufus died too?
@@epik_soap_eater thats what ive been trying to find out i didnt find him but i saw some animals runninf around idk if it was rufus or coyotes
@@DiedTheLastYear_ everyone died except Jack so Rufus probably ran away at some point or died bc of age
@@epik_soap_eater ye maybe cuz hes old from 1907 abigail and jack adopted him for fist time he wasnt that young and till 1914 maybe he died but he has no grave
@@epik_soap_eater and i heared a dog barking couple of times around the ranch
Something you didn’t even notice is that the house is a lot more dirty now. A lot of dust on the floor, to signify that no one really lives there anymore.
when you return to the farm as npc jack to find john if you avoid the barn and go straight for the house most of the time rufus is hiding in jacks room, which is clearly intentional because rufus cannot enter the house on his own. if you use the cheat to switch to jack early while at beechers hope, the rest of your family will disappear but rufus will still be there, meaning the devs probably planned to keep him around, but got rid of him to really set in the feeling of complete loneliness
(he will also sometimes spawn on the roof above jacks room, if you turn your music volume all the way down in settings it will be easier to hear his panting, if he's not there the first time you check you can get him to spawn by abandoning abigail and retrying checkpoint)
But what happen to Rufus After the ending
@@Leonardo-hg8sc
He dies sometime between the years where John and Abigail die
doesnt he run behind the barn just before john gets shot and never reappears?
@@robotb0ythegam3r when you first start the mission he won't spawn until john enters the house and triggers the first cutscene with jack and abi. once you go outside the game will make it a point to spawn him in right in front of the porch and have him run into the workshop to hide before the final encounter where you can see him in jacks room
The west Elizabeth sound track is my favorite, especially when your in tall trees by yourself it really adds an empty and creepy feel
There's an electric guitar riff that echos which reminds me exacly of the riffs you hear in Jim Jarmusch's Dead Man. Which is a Western made in the 90s with Johnny Depp. Neil Young does the soundtrack and I swear they took inspiration and put it in the Tall Trees music.
Dutch’s ghost
@@juliangrant9718That riff came out perfectly one time as I was galloping through the woods when I heard something behind me. I reverse camera, and, sure enough, it was a grizzly, intently chasing after. "TWANNNNNG!"
@@henryhoward9454 RDR just provides moments to make your own story. I remember after I finished Undead Nightmare, I would sit in my barn on the second story and just stare out that big window overlooking the house as zombie Marston. I would do it for an hour before even playing just listening to the music and watch the sun set.
West elizabeth is an extremely odd place compared to the other areas of rdr1. When you're in new austin or mexico it can feel empty, but there's always a shootout or robbery happening right around the corner. The lands are untamed and dangerous. But then there's west elizabeth. Most people live in blackwater and don't have any reason to leave, you'll see people ride around here and there, but other than that, it's completely baron. You feel like you're all alone for the first time in the whole game. And then the music starts and you feel like you aren't really alone, but just don't know what's there with you. The state is in this weird purgatory between being safe and modern and being unsafe and empty. I try not to stay up there longer than I have to
Perfectly said
Be it bear or bandit, the hills will never truly be civilized.
That’s what I love about any western games. It feels civilised and ‘modern’ to a degree, but you can’t let yourself get used to it, because not too far away is brutality and savagery.
Barren not baron
In the end, nothing John or Arthur did mattered... Jack ended up alone, without anyone to stand by his side, just like Arthur did on that mountain, and just like how John did at the farm...
He indeed was the last Outlaw...
That's why I'm curious to know what they'll do with the franchise, because if they're going to portray 1914 going forward, it's no longer the Wild West. If they portray the formation of the gang, it will be another prequel and we already know how it will all end too. I think it got complicated.
@@RDRPlayer. The game was about the dying West anyway, the Wild West was still a thing in the 1920s but it was mostly in Mexico and the deep southern USA. It still exists today irl but only in Mexico
@@Actibleit's not really the wild West if it isn't in the West
I like to believe that the other survivors after RDR2 are still alive somewhere after RDR1. Obviously the game never mentions em cuz it's a prequel, but seeing that Milton and Ross and the Pinkertons/Bureau were only really interested in the gangs leaders and the main gunmen I don't feel they'd be interested in people like Pearson and Swanson, Mary-Beth and Tilly etc.
Uncle is encountered freely roaming the streets of Blackwater in the epilogue and Pearson bought the general store in Rhodes. If the Pinkertons wanted everyone I'm sure they would have taken them down easily.
Trelawny and Tilly both live comfortably in St. Denis, Swanson moved to NY to lead a church there, Mary-Beth became a writer under a pen name and I like to feel Sadie and Charles moved far enough away to escape the Pinkertons/Bureau's reach.
It kinda did. Arthur wasn’t a,one when he died. He had people come for him. Marathon wasn’t alone when he died. He had final moments.
A lot of new players just cant even begin to understand the empty feeling of finishing red dead before 2 came out, a lot of us really thought this was the final conclusion of the game, no red dead 2, just a sad empty desert for jack to wander alone…..
That’s why you just get your revenge as Jack and immediately end the game there before the reality hits and everything becomes quiet and lonely.
RDR2 is a prequel so it doesn't change this empty ending for Jack.
The only comfort I can take after RDR1 now is that following the events of RDR2, far as I'm concerned, Charles, Sadie, Pearson, Mary-Beth, Tilly, Trelawny and Swanson are still alive, somewhere.
Milton, Ross and the Pinkertons were only ever after the leaders and main gunmen of the gang. The women and those who mostly stayed at camp like Pearson and Swanson were of little value to them and not worth capturing. Else how could Uncle have been able to freely return to Blackwater by the time John sees him in the epilogue? Or Pearson buying the general store in Rhodes?
Charles & Sadie I feel got far enough away from the Pinkerton's jurisdiction that they escaped, Swanson moved to New York, Tilly and Trelawny both live happy lives in St Denis and Mary-Beth became a writer under a pen name (whether she lives in Valentine or not is uncertain).
I don't get why you would think that though. It's not like Jack is part of a gang or anything right? He could move on with his life he seems quite smart and capable.
@@sugoi9680 its a shame, but he probably abandoned Beechers, became a writer, and moved to Los Angeles. (John's Hat in a trash can in LA Noire, and the RDR Book in GTAV, written by J Marston)
Beecher’s Hope gives a feeling of kenopsia, an eerie feeling that I once knew of this place as lively with people hanging around but now feels deserted. But since completing the Red Dead 2 storyline, I understand that Jake is now the only one around. Everyone he once knew is dead or gone, which adds to the loneliness that I already felt.
This is just so depressing when jack is left completely alone there. I fear that's gonna be me one day...
It breaks my heart and makes me feel empty. I played RDR2 before RDR, so it's not just the weight of John and Abigail I feel, it's of the entire gang of charming, wonderful misfits that are already dead (well, with a few exceptions like Tilly or Mary-Beth, but still).
besides I wonder who tilly and mary beth become between 1911 and 1914 ?
tilly gets married and forms a family, mary beth becomes an author under an alias
Ewwww
same feeling 😢
I played RDR1 before RDR2, sadly i didn't feel anything at death of John, Uncle, Dutch, Abigail
After i complete the game i just left and never went back to beechers hope.
In a way, the west elizabeth track just adds emptiness to the game when playing as Jack. When playing as John, the soundtrack gave off a daunting feeling of foreshadowing John’s inevitable fate. But when playing as Jack, it just makes everything feel empty as if it’s just playing because everyone in Jack’s life is gone and it just adds somber and emptiness.
The ambient music in WE gives that shark out of water feel in general to both characters
@@craigthemonke794 For John it does because he’s doomed from the start. For Jack, it gives simply nothing, it’s just there.
After taking revenge in the game, the atmosphere becomes so depressing that it cannot be described
It's as if the entire game world no longer has any reason to exist
I hate being alone in beachershope alone it feels like creepy and lonely and you can find npcs there camping or hunting specially at the night some weird things happend. I always go down to mexico or new Austin
Mexico feels...warm🏜
One time, I started a new game and finished all the mainline story missions except for the last so I can roleplay John being a family man in Beecher's Hope.
When I was younger I believed there was john's ghost at the house when you roamed around at night.
When in a shootout jack will angrily shout that he doesn’t care whether he lives or dies and that he’s all alone going back to the house must be very painful for him
RDR1 hits hard as hell after John dies. Dead Mans Gun rivals Thats the way it is in terms of hitting the feels.
There are even wolves and coyotes here at the end to make it feel even more abandoned! Made my last save file with jack in Mexico at Irish’s shack because I believe jack went into hiding in Mexico after clipping Ross😭
I also saw a damn cougar creepily roaming in the farm at the end of Rdr1 while in Rdr2's Epilogue, not even an NPC can enter the farm!
It's completely abandoned at the end of Rdr1 while John hoped for it to become the nicest farm in the county...😔
That’s the most likely course of action Jack took. Along with bounty hunting in Mexico.
I was going to Beecher's Hope to refill ammo since it was the closest hideout and i shit you not there were 3 bears roaming waaaay too close to the house
I don't think anyone found out Jack killed Ross.
@@Slapnuts9627 Man, litteraly everyone knows it.
When they watch playthrough from beginning to end of other players or when they say "oh a new quest that wasn't here before and called Remember My Family, let's go check it" and then the credits roll.
It’s so depressing to play as jack in RDR1
A fun thing to do is watch Jack's dishonorable insults, they're hilarious, just not better than Arthur's.
It also feels empty to be at Beecher’s hope at the end of Undead Nightmare with Zombie John too. Almost like Abigail and Jack left after John’s death, and he has to just roam the world as a monster
you fucking spoiled it to me
That whole game feels creepy. But this feels really creepy
He maybe found a cure, It's the only one to mount a as a zombie so he is enough to find a cure but the idea is where? Maybe he throw the mask under the Glacier of Grizzlies West!?
The atmosphere in this game trumps rdr 2, I gotta say. Crows chirping and that tense piano.. a lot of unrest in that place. Live by the sword, die by the sword
I felt alone here after the ending. I once had a random npc walk onto beecher's hope and he just started doing the things that Jack, Abigail, and Uncle would normally do. Ngl, it made me feel a little happy
That's nice
Dude.. that’s kinda creepy
Real?
@@MidNightKamisama Real.
I strongly believe Beechers Hope is haunted. Rockstar probably added the weird noises when you're alone there to make it seem haunted. I've had creepy experiences in game there.
No wonder I have weird feelings about that place until this comment
That's why when I play as Jack I always try to avoid the House gives you that lonely feeling.
I always was creeped out by the place after the ending.
Beecher’s Hope felt so empty at the end of RDR2 . I can’t imagine how it must feel after completing RDR1.
And it's all fucking micha's fault, everything started going wrong after he joined the gang
I agree, but I think Dutch was also at fault, mainly for allowing someone like Micah in the gang all that time, and it was more than evident what kind of guy he was, in addition to Hosea's warning from Blackwater. Well, it’s a sum of factors. We can even take into account the beginning of the prologue of RDR2 when it appears that it was the end of the old west and the gangs were being hunted and destroyed.
Not really. Dutch was always just an opportunistic criminal. He would have gotten everyone killed eventually no matter what. Always some new scheme or some new plan. Hosea might have been fine with everyone living as free-roaming gypsy hippies but that was never what Dutch had in mind. He wanted to burn everything he didn’t like, and he was willing to recruit as many fatherless orphans as he needed to so he could get his revenge on the world. Micah was just an opportunist who took what he could whenever he could get it. He was able to betray the gang easily because he hadn’t formed any attachments to anyone in it. A rolling stone gathers no moss. He was a real criminal, not the fairytale crap Dutch was selling to his gang of misfits. Nobody liked Micah much anyway, so why would he feel bad for cutting a deal and getting a blank check to do whatever he wanted for 8 years? It’s a good thing it was Micah. If it had been someone else, even more or the gang would have been killed or imprisoned. If no one had betrayed the group, Dutch would have gotten everyone killed doing something stupid anyway.
Much of it is their fault, yes, but John went after Micah and drew attention to himself, besides the life of an outlaw is almost one of no return. You don't get to live a bad life and have good things happen to you.
John is also a little at fault for not taking Arthur's word into account and killing Micah
Well, the thing is that there were several factors that led to all this happening, for example: those who are most to blame are both Micah and Dutch for leading the gang to its ruin. one for being a rat without moral codes (not even among outlaws) and the other for being egocentric and manipulative. Then there is also the fact that in the year in which the events of RDR 2 take place, they clearly tell you that the outlaws and their gangs are being hunted and annihilated since the United States was becoming more civilized. But there is also John's decision to go and kill Micah and even taking all the money they stole from Blackwater that Agent Ross himself went to look for. causing all the agency's attention to go to John and the events of rdr 1 to happen.
What makes me think is that, what would have happened if John had not gone to kill Micah and had not taken the money from Blackwater? When Micah meets John in the epilogue, he tells him that he would have liked to go visit Beecher's Hope to kill him and hurt Abigail and Jack. If so, then at least he was saved from meeting Micah and his entire gang and having them raid Beecher's Hope.
As of July 22, 2024, this place is now in decay and forgotten. some homeless person sleeps there for the rainy night. It just shows how life short it is and nothing last forever, in the end. Jack lived to maybe 100 to 107 years old (1995 or 2002), his autobiography “red dead” sold millions of copies and they started to make movies or video games of him and his family (lol), anyway
that’s the moral of the story
Beechers Hope is made almost entirely out of wood. With no maintenance it would have rotted into nothing by the 1960s
@@elementalb3m957 most likely
Abandoned houses only mean 1 thing, memories.
Man watching this feels sad, I still wonder if the rest of the remaining Van Der Linde gang like Sadie, Charles, Pearson ever knew if John died, if they ever wondered if Jack was still around, if they ever visit both John and Abigail’s grave just once
I feel like Pearson would probably know, given the close proximity Rhodes is to West Elizabeth. Someone would've probably came into his store and mention something about John/the ranch whatever.
The rest I ain't too sure
@@41Brother2but really Rhodes and bleacher’s Hope isn’t that close. A whole other state away
Unless Sadie or Charles happened to encounter someone who mentioned John or an incident at Beecher Hope involving gunfire, that news would likely be forgotten within days. Jack wasn't particularly close to either of them, so he wouldn't know how to contact them, and even if he did, it's doubtful he would want to involve them in a complicated situation with the government, especially after his confrontation with Ross.
Sadie's whole purpose in the epilogue Is to avenge Arthur she brings it up all the time so it's safe to assume Sadie visited Arthur's grave one last time before she left the country Charles probably did to John stops visiting Arthur by the time RDR1 comes along but its safe to assume that maybe Sadie would look up on Jack in the future not sure about Charles tho
The candles and lanterns were lit.
To this day I have never understood why Edgar Ross broke his agreement with John and ambushed him and his family. He fulfilled his contract with the government and was rehabilitated. Corruption? Desire to kill?
By killing John he would have gotten many things medals,fame, you know that type of stuff
His task was to get rid of all gang members.
Instead of doing it himself, he chose to use John
Dutch said he had to justify their wages
Ppl tend to forget about Gov. Nate Johns, the guy who Ross reports to. Johns' desire was to rid the state of West Elizabeth and surrounding areas of outlaws.
Ross sought to this but as the head of the Bureau of Investigation he had control over how to rid capture the active Van Der Linde gang members and other criminals. Ross had already found John in 1907 but didn't knock on his door until 1910-11 because he knew he would be better at finding his other gang, especially after what happened with Micah.
When John fulfilled his end of the bargain Ross himself probably thought all's well that ends well but it was Nate Johns' desire to rid the area of ALL outlaws.
It always stayed on my mind why even Ross would commit such a betrayal for years, but like everyone else in the world he answers to somebody and that somebody was Nate Johns. And he gladly took it upon himself to carry out that task.
title of the last mission rdr1: "the last enemy shall be destroyed". doesn't matter if he fulfilled his contract, he was still an opp to the government.
You know playing this growing up i felt a sence of loneliness i hope i never felt but after losing it all and being by myself all these years i can now truly understand his loney journey
I like to think that Jack moved from Beecher's Hope after killing Ross, maybe becoming the new Sheriff of Armadillo, or a bounty hunter at Chuparossa.
How is it that I played this game many times over the course of many years and not once did I notice the message scratched into the ceiling of the barn in the epilogue? Awesome touch.
It was for the Cheat Code "Jack Attack" that completes you all the missions, changes John to Jack and completely sets the game to 1914.
Jack Marston, the last remaining member of the Van Dir Linde gang. Ross failed in the end. That should be enough to give some measure of happiness, but for some reason, it doesn’t. All’s it gives us a profound feeling of loneliness.
Jack Marston, he journeys to a fate unknown, alone. But he lives.
This OST you hear when in West Elizabeth I always thought was creepy especially when you compare it to soundtracks from New Austin and Nuevo Paraiso. They both sound wild and full of nature where's West Elizabeth sounds metallic and unnatural almost foreshadowing the looming shadow of technological progress and spread of civilization has made itself known
Imagine if they made a spin off game of Jack trying to adapt to civilization during the roaring 20s in liberty city, but the way he lived before catches up to him and he ends up between the FIB and the Italian mafia
01:16 - I always look for this specific soundtrack. Its just earie and sad.
The blackwater theme
2:12 Johns voice
Probablemente un bug
It always happens.
When Jack falls or gets hurt, you can hear John's grunts.
14 years and they never fixed it!
Rockstar abandons each one of their games after a bit.
@@CAPTAIN_TERMINOTERROR It still make sense anyway, since irl a lot of guys have exactly same expressions as their predecessors.
@@Rubrasileiro But they can't have the exact same voice.
Plus John's voice is extremely different from Jack's voice so this doesn't really make sense.
And don't forget that in Rdr2 once you play as John, you can hear he doesn't sound AT ALL like Arthur when he grunts.
@@CAPTAIN_TERMINOTERRORif you eat a poisonous plant as John in rdr2 he has Arthur’s voice when puking
I found it too sad to be at Beachers Hope playing as Jack. Poor kid just buried his mother and he's all alone on the ranch hope RdR 3 gives us the story of jack after he kills Ross
Jack in rdr3 wouldn't be the wild West anymore
@@5689ithey can’t make another prequel it would be redundant
All the deaths from the prologue to each chapters the gang has fallen further and Jack avenged his father all to end up alone while the surviving members might have lost contact to even find Jack it's just sad.
The soundtrack and the situation makes my hair stand on end
Playing as jack afterward just felt so.. empty. I suppose that’s the way jack feels, just empty and alone. John wanted to build more onto the ranch and make a community outside of backwater, but that’ll never happen now. It’s as if all the time spent in the van der linde gang was all for nothing. Sure we had great memories with them but that’s all there is now, is memories. Even after getting revenge on Ross, we get closure for John but realistically it doesn’t change anything.
"Just A Big Empty House."
- Michael De Santa
When I was young I was 100% sure they haunted that place.
Also no longer see Rufus too....0:24😢😢😢😢
There’s a known glitch, at least in the PS3 version, where you can still hear him barking
@@knightingale9833I hear him bark and some coughs in the house like ghost. Play with headphones on Red Dead redemption 1 on the switch if you can some decent headphones. You're welcome.
Probably why after I finished the story I never returned to Beecher's Hope.
I love how sad and isolated everything feels here, it gave me chills in a way I didn’t know a game could as a teenager.
Also, I remember once having bounty hunters come after me while I was there, it was actually quite a scary moment, and I can imagine it being horrifying for Jack after what happened the last time someone attacked the ranch!
After finishing the story I was always afraid to go there, the place seemed very quiet and creepy, except sometimes when I can hear a dog barking and I once saw some wolves wandering around there
I also saw a cougar lurking there and because of the total absence of people, i never go there.
At this point Beechers hope is like a shell of it's former self
When i beat red dead 1 for the first time i felt alone especially in beechers hope its something eiree about that place like your being watched and there is no rufus and for some reason being alone in this game is unsetling
Maybe because of Strange Man. Especially if you know his mysteries since RDR2, which proves him observing the Van der Linde gang since Blackwater. I mean, maybe, taking this into account, Jack could indeed be being observed.
@@RDRPlayer.Maybe could be true I don't like being alone in this game it's weird and jack is just a sad character
bro i was in disbelief at john's death ngl probably one of the saddest games i've played and that's saying a lot.
Uncle Iroh: "I know you're not supposed to cry over a video game story, but… (sniff) it's just so sad!"
It's feels like Beecher's Hope is mourning John, Abigail and Uncle deaths and Jack loneliness
Just finished the story for the first time on PC.
The music choice for the ranch and the surrounding area is so amazing. It really works with what is happening with Jack at that point in the story ... he's completely alone in this world, still traumatized from his parents deaths and essentially left to wander around in a world that is in many ways empty yet at the same time a ruthless one.
I'm so used to having so many gang members in rdr2 it's actually unbelievable how lonely this game is
I don't think you're supposed to go back to Beecher's Hope after "Remember My Family". I'm pretty sure Jack can't. He made his decision to take revenge and become an outlaw. There's no turning back after that. He'll be on the run for the rest of his life.
Technically he doesn’t become an outlaw. With there being a book written by Jack in GTA. Another reason why he isn’t is because the brother of Ross said there were some bandits or Mexican outlaws in the area and said to be careful. So Jack can easily say that to any officer that he gave his message to Ross and then left. With Ross not long after the meeting dying in a gunfight with the reported bandits. And it would have been a while til Ross’s brother went to check on Ross since he had been shooting all day so hearing gunfire wouldn’t necessarily cause concern.
So in all likelihood Jack got away with it as there were other dangers that Ross was aware of but didn’t care about so the detectives on the case would write it off as a bandit attack or unsolved murder as Jack never gives his name to anyone until meeting Ross, thus then the only lead investigators would have is a young man with brownish black hair, facial hair, and a black hat with a feather in it. Not really enough information for investigators to work with, and at that time probably not care to much about anyways as the description fits a lot of men.
Jack became an Outlaw
@@keegantripp1245 that's to say that the book in GTA is canonical which R* have confirmed that it's not. Everyone seems to tout that Easter Egg as a fact when we all know it's not. RDR and GTA's world do not connect. RDR's world has a California and a NY. If they wanted to connect those worlds then they would've just used Los Santos or Liberty City instead. Plus, it wouldn't make much sense to have Jack commit a violent act free of consequence. That's what the ending is all about. That Jack made the same mistake his father did by taking revenge. It wouldn't make much of a tale if he got away with it. That whole story you theorised about local gangs making Jack's involvement nebulous, while convincing and a pretty good theory, is just a fan-theory. There is absolutely no evidence to confirm that is what was meant by the writers. What is meant by the writers is that Jack walks his fathers path which is something John and Abigail fought to try and avoid.
@@juliangrant9718miami exist in the gta universe, theres a promotional website with like an airport thing, that says they do flights to miami and right next to it, it says vice city so new york and california can exist in the gta universe, theres even a liscence plate that says california in gta 5, and in gta 4 you get an email from someone saying their in florida, but in gta 6 its called leonida, so if they say new york in rdr for example, liberty city can also exist. Also in gta online el rubio says, he has german grandparents, and in his house you see the german family from rdr2
Jack is left orphaned by a federal agent who felt it necessary to exact vengeance on the one member of the gang who tried and died making a meaningful life out of what he was given. Now the poor damn kid has to wander what is left of the frontier West as the final member of a dying breed of outlaw.
Ross will always be the villain. Whether from the angle of subjectivity or objectivity it makes no difference.
rockstar must have a reason for the gap between Abigail and Uncle’s grave
Jack
Jack really lost everything because of Ross that's so tragic
Well, you can’t blame anyone. It’s just a lose lose situation. Ross was just doing his job.
@@m.r4841Ross wasn’t simply “doing his job”. He took pleasure in separating John from his family to make him do all his dirty work. He then betrayed John by not honoring the deal they made and laughed to himself as he killed him. Ross was a sadistic man.
@ Yes, but he never harmed innocent. He was only dealing with a very notorious criminal. It is his job to hunt them down and he did exactly that. He took pleasure in it, yes. But that’s only one character flaw. He still isn’t a bad person.
would be interesting to have a red dead take place in the 1930's playing as jack who still remains an cowboy outlaw, and looking out of place in a much more advanced era. blackwater, saint denis, valentine and many other places, once were in primitive states, now turned into major towns and cities. even dirt trails are turned into roads and paths. despite red dead being about the wild west and cowboys, i'd love a situation where a cowboy looks out of place in a society in the 30s
Yes it would be interesting but it wouldn´t make too much sense because the Wild West ended sometime between the 1910´s-1920´s, it would become Mafia 1 which is set in the (1930´s-1938)
Honestly at this point, this is the loneliest I’ve ever felt in a game. Truly depressing.
That's when you go out and make a name for yourself 😉
I always wondered why the ranch was still there intact. I would think that someone would’ve come in and repurposed it.
RDR is really depressing after the ending.
How it feels like going back to your old school
I actually noticed that already back in 2011-12 - it's a good reprensation of the situation - it's strange, what music can do to us humans. Family is very important, so the absence of them not being there is very depressing consindering that John Marston just fought throughout this whole game for his right to be with his family.
The fact that Beecher's Hope seemed so lively with John and everyone but now it's just one abounded empty looking farm really makes me sad especially seeing Jake being depressive like he used to be a sweet little boy full of life and now he's just so empty and lonely
poor Jack all alone
Jack may be the most tragic character in all of rdr2. He saw everyone he knew dieng one by one and even his parents. He was forced to live as an outlaw with outlaws since birth, he had no choice. And in the end now he lives all alone on the run from the law for his rest of his life. Damn
Watching thise video made me heavy in my throat beacuse i remberd the summers of 2017-2019 when i used to replay GTA V and RDR1 all the time on my PS3...i wish i could see those moments agian at least in picture forms but this at learend me to take pics more often of waht im doing casue a day will come when ill curse my self for not taking them to rember the fun moments ive had in the past....
I don't know why but west Elizabeth gave me a weird vibe it's like I'm being watched the unknown and the place I once knew is abandoned
i honestly think 2 things happened to jack after the end of rdr 1
1 he ended his life for a simple reason he has no one no friends no pets no family no nothing he has nothing to live for and his dialogue shows a lot of time that he just does not care about his life which make this the most possible theory honestly and is really sad
2 he got trough the emptness and got maybe a girl or decided to live somewhere else but i think thats the least possible thing knowing his dialogue because he is just Alone and i Doubt he would be around people too much or even get interested on a girl soo he could become a druken addict or something
I can also see Jack enlisting to fight in World War 1 when the U.S get's involved
@@EXOD3str0y3r But why Though The U.S goverment pretty much destroyed his ENTIRE family
@@cheseg-remastered Well I mean, maybe he won't enlist himself but maybe some government dude will find out that Edgar Ross was killed by Jack and maybe blackmail Jack into joining the army, idk what the government would hold ransom for against Jack but it's just a thought🤣
@@EXOD3str0y3r Blackmail him with what? His family is Dead he has no girlfriend no nothing How do you blackmail a person like that? Hell of a treath He has no Reason to coperate tbh
@@cheseg-remastered U r not wrong, I just thought of blackmailing cuz that's what happened with John but that also brings up something else, Jack has nothing to live for, if he truly continues down the path of loneliness by the time it's 1917, he might just say fuck it and go fight, he would no doubt be well aware at that point how severe and bloody WW1 is and just accept that he might not return home from the war, maybe he will die saving someone idk, anything can happen
when i was a kid playing this game i remember being jack and going into the house to look for rufus and i forgot what i saw but i ended up getting scared to be in the house and left and never went back in
Id love to see a fan animation of jack trying to live at beechers hope but being haunted
The fact is that this is it. The story is done. Arthur’s dead, Johns dead, Dutch is dead and Jack has nobody at all. Arthur’s sacrifice meant absolutely nothing. This is how the story of have red dead redemption ends.
Feels dark and empty.
The end of the RDR timeline
Or at least until LA Noire
I just felt... empty. All I can do now is gamble, kill, duel, and hunt. And even then, it's depressing.
Even moore depressing you can hear rufuses barks in the background even though he isnt there, footsteps, thuds, creaks, and doors
I am sorry for jack because he was all alone in rest of his life.ı mean he is the only one who left in van der linde gang
Well, Tilly, Mary-Beth, Charles and Sadie made it too.
@@CAPTAIN_TERMINOTERROR And so did Pearson, Trelawny and Reverend Swanson!
@@RedNightFox Yeah, i forgot to add them!😅
Karen escaped too but it is said that she drunk herself to death after, sooo do we assume she escaped too or not?
@@CAPTAIN_TERMINOTERROR ı think she went to mexico to do her own bussines (prostitue job) and she killed by a mexican gang leader.
@@CAPTAIN_TERMINOTERROR ı wish jack meet with them he stucked in beachers hope all alone
I feel so sorry for Jack. With the Release of RDR 2 and the original ending, he’s literally lost everyone. Well almost everyone. We don’t know what happened to Charles and Sadie, but still.
i hope they are well :(
when i reached at the ending i found it creepy at first but i get used to it
I couldn’t figure out the point of those ranch missions at the end of the game until after they all die. They put them in so you form an emotional connection with the characters and notice them when they’re gone.
I always use to come back to the ranch just to visit Jack's family & then set out again back in 2013 when I was young, still effects me today.
Excellent video, is very sad and interesting the change in the atmosphere that BH gets in 1914.
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as soon as I finished rdr1 I immidiatly deleted my save aand started a new game because it was so depressing😂
That's when you go out there and make a name for yourself‼️It fully allows you and the character to go out and do things everywhere else even more so especially with money and the ability to get more. The Marston's would not want their son to just stay at home.
I have a great idea for you. I've noticed you've done some Undead Nightmare videos. So why not do either Undead Nightmare as Jack (through mods) or enter the crypt in Escalera before/after finishing the game? Would be interesting to see Jack take on the undead.
In the DLC it is only possible to change to young Jack, his adult model is not present. But yes, I can study the possibility.
@@RDRPlayer.playing RDR1 with the lowest saturation is probably the best way to visualize the thematic process of the game, however you can up the saturation for Mexico, but as you progress you'd lower the saturation until Reyes takes over, since it inversely follows through the thematic process by foreshadowing.
I get so annoyed when people complain about RDR2 epilogue, play RDR1 then you’ll know how truly depressing an epilogue can be💔
Well, the only main complaint that I agree with is the fact that they recycled Arthur's model for playable John, we could at least have kept his NPC version, but they ended up changing it.
@@RDRPlayer. yes it was criminal what they did to his model 😭
That's a dumb thing to be annoyed about. Stop gatekeeping feelings
@@NateS917 what a useful comment thank you for contributing to the conversation!
Jack has no one but his own company
Imagine how sad it was for Jack to walk into that empty house for the first time.
I relate , almost like I’m living it in reality
Jack must carry an absurd amount of survivor's guilt, on top of everything else. John and Uncle literally died for him, but he must view it as a waste, outside of avenging them he has no purpose in life.
Most epilogues go for some "Endless Summer" vibe where everything worked out and now you can roam the world knowing that your character's problems are over for the time being and they are happy, but in RDR1 it feels more dreary and.. Canon? Like Jack is a deeply unhappy individual who partakes in the same vices his Father did, Drinking and Gambling, but where for John, they were only distractions from his main mission, for Jack and the Player, they are literally the only thing left to do.
By extension you could even say that he starts fights on purpose just to get some rush, some excitement, and probably because a part of him wants to be killed during one.
I'm currently replaying RDR1, and because I don't like how lonely it feels after the epilogue I'm actually going to create a separate save after I've completed "At Home With Dutch" and stop there with the story missions so I can still play as John in 1911. So that will be save #2 but the first one is the one I will play through until the end. Because Beecher's is so spooky now when you play as Jack, I remember back in my Xbox 360 days back around the time this game first came out, I'd tend to make MacFarlane's Ranch a stand-in home, using that as my main place to return to before I saved and exited the game. I had this little headcanon that Bonnie would have heard about what happened, and offering Jack to stay there on the ranch with them after retrieving the cattle they had sold to John earlier. Jack would accept, and only occasionally visit Beecher's Hope to visit the graves of John, Abigail and Uncle, but never stayed long as it was just too painful. In my mind as well, Jack would find that Rufus (the family dog) survived the army's attack and now lives with Jack at MacFarlane's Ranch. Some years later, a couple of people from Blackwater would track down Jack and ask to buy the land off him since ownership of it was still his. Jack would accept the offer, hearing that a new family had expressed interest in buying the land and starting a ranch of their own. Jack would only sell the property on the condition that the graves on the hill overlooking the site would not be moved or disturbed in any way.
This was such a good read
@@AppleInTheDesert Thanks :D