Two laws that make gun violence worse
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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2024
- We’re starting to learn which gun regulations work, and which ones might be making things worse. Joss Fong explains.
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Is there any evidence to suggest that thoughts & prayers help ?
no
@@ydid687 WAIT!?!? All those posts I shared on Facebook... sorry... Meta meant nothing!
It'd be funny if they added it to one of the policies on the chart. It's a tried method but with no positive results thus far
Is there any proof multiCULTuralism is good or can Europe finally enact some common sense regulations to stop people from being beheaded on their own soil?
There's personal testimonies
I’m just shocked that it’s not federal law to secure guns at home away from children.
The gun industry needs to support the healthcare industry one way or another.
kids can shoot guns
@@WameisJinston are you kidding me
'murica
How do you enforce that? Do you have a policeman check that you have a gun in a safebox every other Tuesday?
stand your ground increases the death rate of the perpetrator, not the victim.
The problem is that not always the person shot by someone will be a "perpetrator"
As it should be.
@@1gorSouz4 How much tho? 1%? 2%? 10% even? Even if the number is that high how many more other innocent lives are you saving?
Even if you think it's evil, it is still a necessary one.
@@1gorSouz4 Wait... if someone is in my house at night and I didn't invite them or know them, how are they not a perpetrator.
@@abdelhassan5426 well i mean you're not in danger if they're downstairs robbing your tv.
A gun in hand is far better than a cop on the phone.
Belelekelep
Cope harder and keep ignoring my comments proving you wrong
Found the anti-masker
@@Userxxx840 Don't be mad because I am right. Even you would prefer a gun in hand rather than a cop on the phone if something serious happened to you.
@@Userxxx840violent crime rates are higher, so is elder victimization because........ you figure it out smart guy
As somebody who has lived in both the US and UK, I don't see the gun violence changing in the US. Firearms are too entrenched in US culture.
So are freedom of speech and privacy, two other liberties under dire threat of extinction, hence the ongoing culture war in the U.S.
american culture is definetly the problem. europe has almost no mass shootings even in countries with good gun access
This is the unfortunate truth no one wants to except.
I don't think it's really true. There's a live gun culture in Switzerland Germany and many other parts of Europe. You just have to get a permit first and you will only get could reasonably be used for sporting and hunting. US also have a vivid car culture but somehow it's harder to buy a car than buy a gun.
@@wyzemann Freedom of speech is not under threat. Not sure why we have to keep explaining how Twitters terms of service and freedom of speech are not the same thing.
Civilized society vs a facade.
Funny that the more "civilized" metropolitan areas make up the vast majority of gun violence
Hey, you should look up total homicide rate of all those listed countries (including US) if you want to see the truth.
@@V3RTIGO222 lol cope. You live in a terrible country. Cope.
@@V3RTIGO222 And the truth is that the US has a 6,2 higher homicide rate than the EU while the EU is more diverse in culture and has a higher population.
@@cyan_oxy6734 mhmm, and also half that of Russia which has much higher gun control... Because gun control has nothing to do with homicide rates. It's because of social programs, poverty, crime rates, and income disparity... Also, EU is only diverse as a whole, individually countries are still ethnically dominated and technically don't share a universal language but most people still speak English. People from all over the world have come to America to live, for better or worse... And to be frank the diversity is completely unmatched. Where else can you have a family of half Asian half German descendants, have black half-brothers, Mexican extended family, and native American friends...
its problematic that they don't differentiate between deaths as a result of someone using guns for self defense and deaths from violent crimes such as murder
They do that on purpose.
The media, particularly left leaning sources tend to do things like that on purpose. It’s to push their agenda that guns need to be banned
It’s because every year in the U.S there are approximately 500,000-1M instances of defensive gun use. Where a would-be-victim or bystander stops a criminal act from occurring. A federal agency, maybe the FDA? used to keep track of these statistics but they no longer make this information publicly available since Biden took office. They don’t differentiate criminal gun use from defensive gun use in most studies for the same reason, because It validates the usefulness of carrying a firearm for self protection when there are as many if not more successful instances of defense gun use then instances of criminal gun use.🇺🇸
@Vesta_the_Lesser You can still tell what they are implying.
@@keonyang3332 If they were implying they would’ve been more direct. And not beating around the bush.
This is the first time I heard somebody call Türkiye a developed country
Or Chile for that matter.
Turkey*
@@mat39 The spelling was officially changed
That becuase USA is undeveloped and not im progress for any development, just letting itself rot
You mean our NATO ally?
Gonna take a guess and say that mass shootings would go down in the US if two things happened:
1. Gun ownership was actually recorded and regulated properly - like the rest of the developed world.
2. The US had a better health and social care system that allowed for anyone to easily access mental health care or find solutions to their problems.
I inteligent guy in the coments, props.
yeeeeeeeeeeeppp nailed it.
On number one, no. It wouldn't shift it in the least. Majority of mass shooters aquired their firearms fully legally. Like 97%.
On point two, yes. That WOULD help a great deal. It's made a huge difference in FInland and Norway.
@@brianhirt5027 yes, because American gun regulations are 97% ineffective, aka you have no meaningful regulations and anyone can get a gun for any reason and store it anywhere with no meaningful record of that ownership. It's basically up to the shop selling it to you to decide if they should or not. All that paperwork you fill in to buy a gun (assuming that you don't just buy it from some random dude) is largely inaccessible by law enforcement and often degrades to nothing in a few years. Loads of those documents have been lost to water damage and thanks to NRA lobbying law enforcement haven't been allowed to digitise that paperwork so it has to be search by hand. On top of this, there are no checks on gun storage or meaningful interaction between law enforcement and gun owers when they purchase a gun.
When you realise the difference between legally owning a gun in the UK and in the US, you soon realise why police in the US appear to have the policy of shoot first and ask questions later.
While I agree that mental healthcare should be more available, there is actually no link between mental health problems and mass shooting. There is, however, a link between mass shootings and hate (be it misogyny, racism, homophobia, etc).
Who would’ve thought the two were correlated 😂
I agree
Could just be more criminals being shot by gun owners. Would be important to see who is getting killed not just that there are more gun deaths.
Not texans
@@TheDogGoesWoof69 what makes a specific demographic more prone to violence either being a victim or a perpetrator?
Correlation ≠ causation.
Switzerland has high gun ownership yet low gun violence.
I remember back when I was in a university class in Japan that covered this topic.
The professor told us to stop looking at the US as one big country and instead look at it as an amalgamation on 50 different countries with each of their own cultures, problems, and approaches to solutions.
Things we were also taught to consider is diversity density, and general population cultural integration of said diversity.
The TL;DR of that lecture was that gun violence can’t be solved as a copy/paste solution as to what other countries have done, and gun violence is just a downfall for the US while other countries have downfalls in other categories. Overall, its summarized as comparing the US to other countries regarding gun violence is like comparing Apples to Oranges and we shouldn’t be comparing other countries to it due to the overwhelming factors that research is often glossed over.
Keep in mind that this is coming from a university classroom in a country where guns are outright banned.
Wow!
people always forget the union part, its nice to see somebody remember
the TL;DR is "multicultures will have much more violence than monocultures."
Cap
@@snap-off5383 multiculturalism is complex and can be challenging, but I would submit that that isn't always true. The most dangerous countries in the world (Honduras, Syria, Afghanistan, to name a few) aren't exactly known for their cultural diversity.
the graph says gun death PER 100,000 people. meaning we got like 12 deaths per 100,000.
Hear me out.
Let’s make crime illegal.
It already is. But, but, hear me out.
Let's make guns less accessible.
@Murderous Rage But. But. Hear me out. People who can't and shouldn't own guns... already cant legally. It's almost like criminals criminal and evil evils.
@@S1D3W1ND3R015 Did you know that people also can't legally drive over the speed limit? But when it's so easy to do it without repercussions, everyone does it anyway. Replace speeding with buying guns illegally, and 'everyone' with criminals. Gun control makes it much harder for criminals to get guns, and therefore much harder for mass shootings to happen. Defenders of guns need to realise that gun control HELPS their cause - as responsible gun owners, they should want increased checks, as it validates them as safe enthusiasts and distances them from people who abuse gun rights, people who they should be wanting to help fight against regardless.
@@AGP335 Amen brother.
@@AGP335 I carry a gun and I completely agree. Well said.
As someone who is not an American, I feel that controlling guns is not going to solve the problem. It seems to me that the issue is the obsession and complete normalisation of guns and gun violence in culture, history and society that makes there such a high rate of gun violence and gun ownership.
You can have high gun rate of ownership and low rate of gun violence if society is trained not only to respect safety but also opened to allow for better conflict management without having to resort to egos, entitlement to rights (this goes both ways), or violence.
Yet at the same time, if society is not that self-entitled or is actually respected safety for themselves and others, then you wouldn't need that many guns or such a high rate of gun ownership in the first place.
It just seems to me that the USA seems to have the worst of both worlds.
that's the bigger issue, we kniw that can't be solved without taking steps. gun control is one of those steps.
you can't solve an over arching issue without solveing several of the supporting issues.
@@Cole_McGill I feel that gun control is too divisive to work properly on a national scale right now. I would try to tackle it on the education front first: make a generation of Americans who will be more willing to pass the new laws before actually trying to pass them. Otherwise, it is just gonna be a back amd forth without anything being done.
The laws are a big part of why that culture exists, of course.
@@RobinTheBot It depends on how you frame the issue. Is it the laws that creates the culture, or the culture that led to the laws persisting? I see it as an education problem first, though one can also argue that it is a law problem. In the end, it is just my personal take, and I wish more people will start discussing which path to take to prevent gun violence rather than keep playing the political team game.
As someone who isn't an American, I'd say it would be much safer if guns were illegal or strict gun control policies are in effect. The target of these policies are mainly to the mentally unstable (at the heat of the moment) and general organized crimes. Imagine an unstable person welding a semi automatic gun vs them welding a knife. If guns are made harder to get, you generally get fewer unstable people having access to the more dangerous weapons per populace.
Most firearm deaths in the US are self inflicted. The second highest number is gang violence. Mass shooting is less than 1% of all firearm homicides, and homicide is only about 30% of all firearm deaths.
Shh, you're talking sense, how else would they take your guns from you if they don't convince you it's for your own good?
Oh well then, as long as 20,000 of the annual death toll is self-inflicted, nothing to worry about. And that 1% mass shootings barely amounts to 10 every week. Move along now, nothing to see here...
@@nunote2362 This didn’t really argue for taking guns away, it advocated for pretty basic child safety measures and changing or removing stand your ground laws and concealed carry laws
So we are just supposed to sit back as mass shootings continue killing innocent people?
30% is a very large percentage. you are just proving usa should try to fix this problem instead of doing nothing.
Don’t get rid of stand your ground, you get Australia where kids run around in gangs and if you stand your ground to protect your car you get jail time.
If you can't defend your car against a bunch of eshays that's your own problem
@@dec1085 tell that to the 5’4” 120 lb woman.
@@OBtheamazing if she can have a gun, what's stopping kids and teens taking their parents gun? All you are going to end up with is teens with guns
@@dec1085 really? That is ALL you are going to end up with?
What can stop the kids from having their parents guns, hmmmm. Maybe…
1. A safe
2. A positive gun culture that encourages gun safety and mental health.
3. Parents noticing that their guns are missing since they should be carrying them on their person…
I mean… I guess I wouldn’t want most people to have guns if they think like you do.
@@OBtheamazing and that is definitely how it's like in the US. Australia and the US aren't all THAT different so if we had guns it would end up like the US
Jeez. Now how can we get gun owners, lobbies, and politicians to value children's lives more than carrying at the grocery store?
L B I favor strong and swift capital punishment laws in every State. Why blame innocent, responsible, and Constitutionally guaranteed gun owners for crimes perpetrated by incorrigible repeat offenders?
@@wyzemann you forgetting the worst mass shooting in the country’s history or something?
@@XXXTENTAClON227 Which one? Mass shootings have occurred since the first firearms were brought to the battlefield. Every war fought with guns, rifles, and automatic weapons is a MASS SHOOTING!
@@XXXTENTAClON227 the worst mass shooting in US history was the Wounded knee massacre, which was carried out by US troops against native Americans who they had recently disarmed “for their own safety”
@@wyzemannah yes because crimes are only done by people who already did crimes, therefore if all those people are in jail there is no more crime. I agree with you just put every criminal ever in jail and we have no more crimes... ingenious
Republicans would rather give up a kidney and to lose their grown up nerf toy
Snowflakes
Restricting is never a solution, when alcohol was restricted, the mafias emerged, when the war on drugs was declared, the cartels became substantially more violent and the number of users increases year after year.
If they ban guns, what do you think is more likely:
1- People get rid of all guns and get on with their lives
2- cartels add gun dealing to their portfolio and flood the country with unregistered weapons?
Than to*, but agreed
@@hunkydori 🤓
I'm not a republican, but if I have the choice to be able to own a gun to defend myself if I end up in a bad neighborhood, you'd best believe I'd rather have the option than having to wait for the police to inevitably show up after I'm dead or shoot me on sight when they show up... Cartels are gonna have guns even if cops don't, personally I'd trust a weapon in my hand than leaving my safety to someone else.
Maybe you should take your safety and the safety of people who don't have the luxury of fitness, strength, or not having disability or age to prevent them from being easy targets a bit more seriously.
Ohh! Vox! So trustworthy. Such integrity. I'll just believe whatever you say and reference.
Those are real charts created by independent organisations that have done way more research than your 'trustworthy' guy on Facebook. Noone asked you to just trust them blindly, the data is all in front of you, analyse it yourself and form your own opinions.
@@whyiseverysinglehandletaken2 ;)
@@whyiseverysinglehandletaken2what guy on facebook? Ad hominem heaven
Its always unsettling when violence is shaved down to one type and the other types ignored.
Yeah but if one type is one of the leading causes of death, then there might be reason to have a closer look at this particular type 🤷♂️
@CoffinEd13 shootings are far from leading cause of death...
Car accidents drugs stabbings etc are all much higher.
We don't own firearms for self defense that's a bonus. We own firearms to fight corrupt governments.
@@CoffinEd13I think he’s talking about how they probably included accidents, self defense situations and suicides which have nothing to do with murder
"Excuse me, can I have an abortion?" "Nope, sorry, here's your complimentary gun, have a nice day"
Just aim it into your uterus 🤷🏽♂️
Technically both are to un alive kids, ... what's your point?
@@argenaS Just because you have the brain capacity of a fetus in the first trimester doesn't mean that you're the same.
This is untrue and you have no point.
Abortions are deliberate termination of an innocent or potential innocent life. Firearms ownership has no such connotation on the part of the legal owner.
I’m always so on the fence about this.
But we saw how prohibition of drugs and alcohol has worked. Which is to say it hasn’t.
I know it’s seen as a bad faith argument. “Bad people will always be able to get guns.”
But from my personal experience with drugs I can tell you if you want something in this nation you can get it.
Stand your ground laws have been abused imo but at the same time I’d hate to see someone jailed for killing someone that was trying to harm them.
But frankly if you try to steal my stuff I should be allowed to shoot you dead.
“Oh you value your stuff more than someone’s life?”
No, they valued my stuff more than their own life.
this is a reasonable take however there are a lot of differences between prohibition and gun laws. mainly that there is an addictive demand for drugs whereas with guns the demand can go down with stricter laws and there are alternatives for self defense
Taking away guns is a great way to increase stabbings. Source, England.
Taking away guns is a great way to stop gun violence. Source: Australia
@@thedonisgood9869
Australia never had hundreds of millions of guns in circulation like the USA.
The difference is, you can run from a knife. If you're trained you can disarm a knife user. A knife user might get 2 or 3 people when on a rampage. see the kind of difference between a knife and a handheld long-distance life eraser that you want people to have free access to?
@@InsanePigeon
Guns are more dangerous than knives.
Yes.
Thats why Americans have the right to bare arms.
@@danielberry4765 because they want to freely own an incredibly dangerous weapon capable of taking as many lives as possible? Assuming you meant "bear arms" because bare arms aren't an issue.
Good. Stand your ground is much better than duty to retreat laws
How are 'openly get away with murder' laws good?
@@TheCountess666 because it’s not murder. Whoever is breaking into your home is weighing their life against the possible gain knowing they may have to subdue the owner. An intruder is a threat to the home owner and their family and so removing that threat is in their best interest. Anyone who is willing to wager their life against another for potential economic gain is a threat and is dangerous
@@locobo580 They are used to get away with murder.
The NRA has a literal phone number you can call if you killed someone and they'll do their damnest to make sure you get away with it citing self defence and stand your ground.
@@Iridescent-87 Good job deliberately ignoring the point, and defending these extremely poorly thought out and badly written laws created at the behest of the gun lobby.
Given that permit holders commit less crime than police, I'm cautious about the data sources here.
Vox isn't reporting accurately I looked at the paper and vox is simply wrong from what I can tell
That says more about the police than permit holders, sadly
@@bruhmoment1835 I was about to say that. Its almost like our modern police system is built off the old guard system that was made to protect the assets of rich land owners and nobles or something
Given that permit holders aren't placed in as many situations that they may need to use lethal force, that makes sense. It would be really effed up if random people with guns were committing more gun violence than police officers who are put in those situations more commonly.
So you're saying it like you're making a point, but it's just common sense if you think about it for a minute or 2. Don't even have to do any research. Just use a little bit of logic.
@@drewk3259 crimes, lethal force isn’t inherently a crime and police have a lower bar to prove it was justified.
When Japan was talking about invasion of United States during World War Two…
"...We would find a rifle behind every blade of grass." Isoroku Yamamoto Japan Admiral
Seems deeply flawed. Let's adjust the data to remove gang in gang violence (because this doesn't affect law abiding citizens) and re-evaluate
You can't just remove gang violence from the equation to look better
@@Azaelris I literally explained why you should do this in my comment, but I will again if it helps. America has a massive gang problem in big cities. A huge proportion of gun violence in the US is gang on gang. It is not reasonable to represent that value as the danger of the average American citizen being shot. When you account for this the US falls in line with the rest of the world
The background checks relate to gang violence I'd imagine.
@@aidanmays7825 That isn't the boost you think it is (those gangs don't exist in a vacuum), and not actually true.
Even in Chicago, after a short piek around 2015, the percentage of gun related deaths attributed to gangs is now back down to 40%, yet the US murder rate is 4 times that of the average western European country.
So even if we assume its 40% across the entire country, that still leaves the US with over twice the murder rate.
@@TheCountess666 It's easy to make the numbers look bad when you never stick to the same metric. Gun violence, gun deaths, murder rate, etc
Freedom > safety
If more guns were the answer, America wouldn't have a problem.
sadly, ignorance about guns and laws around them means that children get hurt and people "defend" themselves. its not about quantity of guns, its about educating people about them. we have high school classes about driving because cars are common and dangerous, just like guns in US, but we have no public education about guns.
@@DoctorRedstone72 yes for example the swiss have a lot of guns and an extremely low gun violence rate
Properly thinking about studies is the answer to your position.
Comparing "gun deaths" is silly, you need to compare violence to gun rates.
That way if you have a country that has a stabbing issue, LIKE THE UK, those numbers are counted in to the factor, not ignored.
@@georgyekimov4577 Brazil has less guns and an even higher rate of shootings.
@@nobodyspecial4702 concgratulations on doing better than a developing country
CLAP CLAP CLAP
Imagine blaming an inanimate object and not the person holding it 🤣
So what? You want more Americans to be added to the already overflowing jails?
There was a guy in Cambodia that took all the guns. It didn't go very well.
There was a guy in Germany that took all the guns. It didn't go very well.
There was a guy in Italy that took all the guns. It didn't go very well.
There was a guy in Russia that took all the guns. It didn't go very well.
There was a guy in China that took all the guns. It didn't go very well.
There is a guy in North Korea that has taken all the guns. It's not going very well.
controlling gun ownership wont change anything just sayin
Okay, explain how it doesn't happen in any other developed country then.
Stand your ground laws and especially the castle doctrine can be important.
Statistically these laws would increase fire arm homicide rates but the homicide matters who it is against.
Lethal force can be necessary in situations like armed burglary where your family is in danger.
It is not an excuse for murder but it protects self defense.
@@hundredfireify also, lethal self-defense when necessary is legal in all western democracies, the difference is if you can shoot at will at anyone on your property.
@@hundredfireify brother if you are in my house threatening me in a physical way, I am the jury, I judge that you are a threat to my life, and your threat is executed.
@@hundredfireify In situations where your life is at risk, there is not time for others to decide your fate. Having control over you and your families life is more important that legality. That is why Stand your ground laws exist and are important for the right to self defense.
@@hundredfireify If you are told "you don't have the right to defend yourself" that literally means you have less rights than someone who intentionally breaks the law.
I'd argue there's a strong distinction between castle and SYG. SYG is all too often taken advantage of by disengenous people looking to literally get away with murder. Like that florida yahoo that shot the kid.
All I think we should do is just make it harder to get a gun. And for parents to actually supervise their kids
I agree with this. But it would be more efficient to make it harder for criminals to get their hands on firearms.
Its aways unsettling when people skew the numbers for their favor.
we gotta make murder illegal
This would solve everything!
Exactly and while they are at it, they should end world hunger by making starving illegal
Worth noting that in the US, most gun violence is gang related, and it happens in big cities where gun laws are actually stricter.
That's because local gun regulations are worthless if I can drive two hours and get a gun elsewhere. And if the country is so flooded with guns that it's easy, cheap and risk-free to acquire an illegal firearm anyway.
German burglars don't have guns, because getting a gun is a huge pain.
@@HeadsFullOfEyeballs Burglars aren't really killing people. It's gang warfare. Trust me they're just quieter about it in Germany
Most gun violence is actually suicides.
and worth noting we also have the CIA
@@HeadsFullOfEyeballs
Well, it seems to me like if getting your way means throwing out federalism, you probably shouldn’t get your way on this.
California can keep doing what California’s doing, and Texas can keep doing what Texas is doing.
We can all tell who are the American gun owners in the comments…
Hahaha yes I was just thinking this
'Murica baby !
Right, because you would never try and protect a right you have no interest in using unless it was fashionable
The people that bring conflicting information and critical thinking?
nice, denying all different opinions…
My wife’s father shot & killed a man who broke into his house, it bothered him but he knew he was protecting his family and it was justified, there was an investigation and he had to hire lawyers in what was a clear case of self defense. It depends on what country or what state you live in but it happens almost every week somewhere in America that a homeowner shoots a home invader.
Rarer then mass shootings then.
today on things that never happened
@@ricksanchez8163to day on lonely sad creature in their basement whining about things online
Come and take it Vox, come and take it.
Can you share the link to the study/research this is from? I am curious to learn more.
you can find all the research in here www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RRA243-4.html
@@Vox 60 percent of american gun deaths are suicides and 80 percent of murders are gang related, check your facts
The USA is definitely an exception to these rules. Our cities with the strictest gun laws also have very high levels of crime
Yep. Look at London. So much knife/drug/any other crime but so few guns.
all of the most violent cities in the US are in red states
@@n2esn852Blue cities.
@@catboy_officialstill way less than it would be with guns. Like a lot less.
@@quackatit and you Base this Opinion in that exactly?
Switzerland has massive gun ownership rates
A Swiss gun owner will generally be part of the militia in the original sense of the word, including the regulation and training associated with it. Switzerland is also pretty restrictive on who is allowed to carry a gun.
And a solid culture. For the most part
You can make any graph look that deceptive
@@joergsonnenberger6836 Most gun related crimes in the USA are done with illegal firearms. The guy at walmart open carrying isnt the reason why gun violence is so high in the usa.
@@thrash208 The USA have a problem with both legal and illegal guns. Most of the first world only has a problem with illegal guns. The whataboutism is just avoiding confronting the part of the problem that can be addressed.
The problem is mental health, not guns. Guns are a tool, it's how the tools are being used that's problematic. The sooner anti gun dummies realize this, the sooner we can start heading towards actual improvement.
Thank.
You.
Right and besides if you see a lot of communities in cities are getting to be ghetto and ridden with violence and people need the right to defend against that , which government doesn’t want
Most shooters don't go to therapy not mental health. Maybe looking at gun grabbers making them celebrities.
I mean it’s the fact the people this mentally ill have such easy access to guns that’s also a problem
Yeah, I'm going to slide over here and press a big button labeled "Doubt".
Doubt of what?
@@SomeoneOnlyWeKnow. go ahead and take a wild guess.
@@tomaszwota1465 That those laws make gun violence worse?
@@SomeoneOnlyWeKnow. that I might doubt but I haven't analyzed it.
I have a big doubt about the underlying premise of the video: that "guns bad".
We don't know much about mass shootings because we don't research guns violence on purpose.
"We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas"
It's hardly a phenomenon restricted to the USA. And you're wrong, anyways. FBI has been studying it for a long time. Published a few research reports too. I suggest reading them.
@@brianhirt5027 Not true. The Dickey Amendment basically blocked CDC research for roughly two decades - even if the FBI might have done some studies - I highly doubt they should be the ones "researching" this. But it doesn't matter how much they might or might have not done some studies - the US is lacking decades(!) of data either way!
Also, gun violence (I guess that's what you're referring to here as well) is of course not restricted to the US - I'll give you that. But only in the US it's anywhere near such a magnitude of a problem. Just check the graph in the beginning of this video - there's the rest of the world and then there's the US, far off and alone.
But please prove me wrong.
U.S. government can research gun violence and they have. The problem comes into play when the law states you cannot use public dollars to advocate for gun controls.
there is a great series of "healthcare triage" videos that go over guns and gun violence's impact on health. the short and akinny is we have insufficent studies on it.
"HOMICIDE" doesn't mean that an innocent person was killed.
It’s interesting how the graph just excludes countries like Brazil, Mexico or Venezuela 🤔
Cause it was comparing developed countries.
USA is comparable to developing countries in terms of gun violence while being a developed country.
@popdogfool Why does the development index matter when comparing gun deaths? If guns cause the problem, why not point to other disarmed societies instead of only showing ones that comport to narrative?
@@ulthanesmorkums Because the US is (roughly) as stable as other developed countries while Brazil, Mexico and especially Venezuela are far more unstable which obviously increases violence to fill the power vacuum that is filled by the state in developed countries.
In general, comparing developed countries to each other is a more peer to peer comparison as their political and socioeconomic factors are more similar which are compounding variables for basically any state to state comparison. Comparing the US to Venezuela on the other hand, would introduce a far larger difference in those factors, which would then skew the results.
@@ulthanesmorkums And why do you think areas that have more of black people and Latinos are more violent?
@@thesilvanalyst6880
Genetic factors.
Poverty definitely isn't a factor, or else impoverished West Virginia would reflect that.
_"No way to prevent this," says only nation where this regularly happens._
Brazil.
It regularly happens in every nation.
You might be a little uninformed in this particular debate
@@ian_lambert-knight This is what is known as a "joke". There's a reason I used a direct quote from The Onion...
Mexico?
Philippines has similar gun laws to US and its gun violence isnt to the level that US has. Its not the guns, its the people and culture that perpetuates the negative things that happen in US.
Switzerland have many guns but they don't shoot or killed people. As for the Philippines they need a license to carry a gun in public
Another criteria to look at is the United States has 3x to 30x the amount of people living in the country
Hence why these numbers are per capita
Now do this but separate it by races in the US
Yes!
nonchalant racism lol
@@bas_ee Racism is good
@@kzms4220 Sorry, I'm a south american minority living in Asia, your american rethoric doesn't apply, I just read statistics from your country and notice the undeniable truth c:
Also I know the answer to my post, if you separate by race, every single race except hispanics and blacks have lowe gun crime rates than most european countries that banned guns.
We aren't a developed country...yet. Fakin' it til' we make it.
Then move to a different country
@@John-xd9no I hate when you guys use this comeback, it's so brainless and moronic. You can criticize a country and name its flaws without wanting to move somewhere else.
Exactly
Never will make it. Not until you replace both parties with like... 6 competant ones.
Your comment lacks substance. It's not a pun, it doesn't support it's own re-defining of the term "developed country", it just sits there requiring people to agree without knowing your true stance or benchmark for progress.
You are what's wrong with politics fam. Be better than mediocrity and you'll convince people to your side.
People that go through the process to recieve a concealed carry permit usually do not commit crimes. The vast majority of gun crime is perpetrated by inner city teens with handguns that they arent legally able to posess in the first place.
There's a very big difference between violence and crime, self defense is violent but it is not a crime
Love how you're able to differentiate the death of a person. Who made you judge, jury, and executor?
Whatever you might think, guns are a problem in the US, never the solution to anything.
Self defense can definitely be a crime to
@@ThePapaja1996 haha lol. What next, himler might have been right too???
@@Nick-xc4fy common sense. Which you seem to lack
A majority of gun homicides are drug and gang related not stand your ground laws and law abiding citizens who carry… but if you take a quick look at this fancy chart here, obviously everything she just says is true! Lol
@@bensmith6868 Yes, for gun deaths… Most gun homicides are drug and or gang related
It's a fancy table sure, but she didn't just make it in excel, she literally cites the source.
And even if what you say is true (even though you don't have evidence), you're gonna tell me with a straight face that the US has an extraordinarily high density with gangs/drugs compared to EVERY OTHER country investigated?
@@bensmith6868 Suicides do make up most gun deaths, homicides come in second in deaths. Not sure on the breakdown of homicides tho.
Yes let's just discard the cited scientific literature for no reason
@@colinree6131 yes
I saw the thumbnail and thought bella hadid was about to explain gun violence 🤪😘
It’s problematic that all the evidence from various studies just support the argument of whoever is having the debate, whether it’s right wing, left wing, independent, upside down triangle. I don’t believe any of these graphs because each one points a finger in a different direction.
Cops in the US killed almost 14x as many people as mass shooters last year. The problem is a culture that glorifies the act of being violent and the promotion of violent ideologies, not the existence of firearms. The shootings are a fairly recent phenomenon, but the prevalence of firearms has been around the whole time.
Not to mention firearm's have been capable of mass killings for a LONG time
Maybe standing your ground is a justifiable form of homicide meaning that a higher death rate doesn’t objectively mean "worse"? Homicide is objectively bad but self defence is a human right.
You’re kidding, right ?
@@itissrinivasan Step in my house uninvited and find out if I'm kidding.
The problem is that "Stand Your Ground" laws is that they
a) let people get away with murder by claiming they were just defending themselves, so they encourage premeditated murders, and
b) encourage people to shoot one another if they, for example, snap during an argument and draw a gun. Because threatening somebody with a gun over a disagreement is illegal, but if they're dead you can claim they were coming for you and you were just "standing your ground".
Have you considered that death might be a bit excessive form of self defense?
@@ITR not if you're being threatened with death as well
Elimination of stand your ground means implementation of duty to retreat. Meaning you are required by law to try to run away from danger rather than protect yourself from it. Which does nothing but cause law abiding citizens to be prosecuted for defending themselves.
And who’s committing those crimes? Unregistered criminals who obtained guns illegally. Its a crime problem not a gun one.
actually plenty of criminals get caught because they bought their guns legally, its very easy to get a gun and in texas you literally just need to be 18 to carry one
Citizen's are supposed to have power in the US as a matter of values. To keep that balance between the government and the citizen from being too vast. Unfortunately, power is easy to abuse.
For one, guns are irrelevant for that, the average American has far less impact on their government than the average french person has for example (who knew strikes were more effective than guns in an industrial society).
Secondly, if you want to keep your guns at all costs, look at states like Finland where gun ownership is also high, but they aren't shooting each other every other week.
The US is the only developed country where that is a problem, so you might want to see what others are doing right that you get wrong.
The French also violently overthrew their government like the americans did to the Brits.
It doesn't happen often but the founders wanted american citizens to be well armed when it will happen again. And it looks like that is a success, america will never be able to take the power away from their population.
The problem we have in Europe is a constant decline in personal liberties. And if we want to do something about it we will need a lot more guns. But there are no graphs about that because it's so rare.
Imagine hong kong, Senegal, korea etc.. takeover where every citizen had more guns than hands
@@thesilvanalyst6880 when u have black aka former slaves and whites aka former colonial masters and the natives living in same country its doomed to happen.
I agree. We do need fewer gun laws.
And the award for most intentionally idiotic comment goes to 🏆
@@Nippleless_Cage congratulations on your award!
Yes. The ATF must be disbanded and unconstitutional federal laws such as the NFA repealed.
@Chase Martin no more sbr rules, no more sbs rules. And no import bans
Gun ownership means citizens. Non gun ownership means subjects.
How many people have you killed to prove your citizenship?
@@internetperson3926
Not applicable.
You don’t give up rights because criminals commit crime.
Move to England and get arrested for mean words.
@@internetperson3926
Do you view the government as representing you or in charge of you?
Don't be a victim be armed
What is a "firearm homicide" -- because Stand Your Ground might increase deaths, but those aren't homicides, they're self defense.
it’s called “firearm homicide” and not “firearm involved murder” because homicide is the act of one person killing another
@Adlaybra so they should really be saying "firearm involved murder" then, because homicides increasing isn't necessarily a bad thing, if they are the result of self defense.
Can someone pls tell me why guns are legalised in the first place .
More guns is the solution
Maybe the blacks should stop shooting each other.
heck an Asian guy mowed down his own kind recently. Happy New years!
Then why do we still have a problem? That’s throwing gasoline on a house fire.
@@internetperson3926 do people shoot you if they are afraid to be shot back at?
@@internetperson3926 people shoot others because they are not afraid of you. They love they can point a gun and nothing will happen to them if they an escape the cops
The problem is that people feel attacked whenever you bring up facts and have an emotional response. You can't have a discussion with someone who doesn't want one
Goes for both sides
As long as the discussion has nothing to do with you trying to take my rights, my property and control my behavior, I’m open to talk about anything.
I find it interesting to assume that all people who support allowing the People to keep and bear arms are unwilling to look at research and data surrounding the impact of various legal policies...
@@chasemartin4450
i looked at them
there can be many examples brought up but the gist of it is taking away citizens guns dont cause decrease in crime, nor does it do any good really; stabbings go up and general violent crime spikes for a short while until the general trend resumes. hower afterwards you get policies that are so obviously dictatorial like speech regulations, that you may wonder why it first was removed, or in the US case is so tightly gripped upon
@@mememetal6631 Also, let's not forget that our rights are not contingent upon a promise of safety. The people supporting gun control are making aguments based on a false premise. Even if it you were statistically more likely to be killed by someone with a firearm with less restrictions (which btw, statistics show you're not), that is not an excuse to infringe on people's rights. Not only do the statistics show that they're wrong, but even if they were right - it still wouldn't justify infringing on the right of the people to keep and bear arms.
Gun death in the US also include self defense and gang violence, including gang violence related to the drug trade. If a mexican cartel guy gets killed on US soil by a different cartel then its counted as a US gun death. These studies also always fail to show its the cities in the US that have the strictest gun laws that contribute well, WELL above their weight to deaths every year.
Remember that this is charting gun deaths and not illegal gun deaths. Stand your ground laws and more people having concealed carry permit allows more people to shoot bad guys, which is presumably something we could try to stop but that other people might not want to stop, like women or those unable to defend themselves through physical means.
And this is why I and many others will never go to the US again.
You can always count on vox for being the most Anti American news media possible
Well have fun. I mean guns are in every country, and there is some form or another. Or you'll just end up in a slashy stabby stab fight in the U.K or Australia.
@@S1D3W1ND3R015there are 7 times more homicides per capita in the US than those countries, so no, knives don't just make up the difference when you remove guns
@Good Game You're forgetting the population disparity. U.S. has almost 4 times the population in both countries combined. More people equals more crime. We also have more cities, which means more inner city violence. More gangs, too.
@@S1D3W1ND3R015 am I? you need to look up the term, "per capita"
Stand your ground laws, allow for self defense while being assaulted. Seems pretty reasonable that assailants ought to be defended against.
i mean yeah you can do that in other countries too, but we typically aren't out to absolutely annihilate a person for trespassing or because we're feeling threatened, that's when you call the police, it's when you're actually in danger that you can call upon self defense
@@geelllee you have to understand the scale of America.
@@brendanwakeley9103 The total size of the country is irrelevant. The cops don't drive over from the other side of the country, but from the nearest police station.
Absolutely. The requirement to flee from your attacker when the situation may not make that probable or possible is ridiculous.
@@HeadsFullOfEyeballs average police response time in Detroit at times can be over an hour.
Switzerland has required people who serve compulsory service in the military to keep their fully automatic military assault rifles in their homes at all times after they are discharged from service. The idea that Switzerland has that few guns per capita literally cannot be true. It might be that the number in that first chart is referencing guns purchased as opposed to guns owned. Swiss draft veterans are issued their guns, they aren’t purchased. This video is misrepresenting data.
Could it maybe be from America’s diversity?
It seems like in far too many cases "stand your ground" is interpreted as "you have a right to escalate"
its usually done by short small people with equally small penises that dont like big buys that stand up to them
As a norwegian I 'Love' how the united states has more than 100% gun ownership
as an American, I love how we'll be able to actually fend off any invasion of hostile nations. Unlike a certain Scandinavian country
@@judahcreighton1544 someone's salty
A gun behind every blade of grass
@@2-bit567 someone's about to be Russian unless they talk nicer to Americans 😏
@@judahcreighton1544it's not the militia that will win a war, it's the actual army. Unless you have a company and tanks in your house for safety concerns...
I disagree with you on the stand your ground law. If someone breaks into your house, you should have a right to protect yourself and your family by any means necessary.
The US is not in the top 10 countries for mass shootings. Also, these numbers include self defense scenarios yet they ignore violent crimes in which the victim is either seriously wounded or killed. You’d have to be naive or incredibly apathetic to accept these charts and this type of discourse without exercising a modicum of curiosity.
No make a scatter plot showing violent crime. Not just Gun death. Many developed countries still have plenty of murders, just less guns. You’re also including suicides which isn’t a gun problem. Where there’s a will there’s a way.
Yea but with guns it's easier then with a knife
And more guns is more death
Yep. Look at the UK. No guns except those owned by criminals, the military & the corrupt police. Yet so many stabbings & murders & r@pes where women can't defend themselves because it's illegal to carry. Funny, that.
Actually, this is a good idea. I give it my corroboration
This is deceptive. “Gun homicides” *include* defensive uses of guns. So conceal carry permits likely do increase gun homicides, but only because they increase the rate at which people can defend themselves effectively.
You're really reaching for anything to hold onto your warped world views
i notice theres no mention of laws that help prevent poverty and help with mental health treatment despite those also improving crime across the board
It’s because that link was only drawn a few decades ago. So the ammount of studies and funding behind them is… shabby at best. But even then, they’ve reliably proven it reduces crime.
Thank god for that last part. You said it like it was a bad thing.
Stand Your Ground is absolutely necessary
Why isn't it necessary in other countries?
@@quackatit Because those who needed it usually end up dead before they realize and speak up that they need it.
@Re V "those who need it" seem to be in very few according to that graph
@@smikkelbeer7890 why don't you ask the many? Oh wait, too late, they're 6 feet under the ground.
Change the max horizontal range to go to 1 million... problem solved
Yea that plot is setup to make you feel a certain way and not a real outlook on the problems
@@killerb6509 that's rabs point, bury your head in the sand caus the problem is too hard.
@killer b no. That plot is scaled appropriately. The domain and range envelope the data points. The grouping is Cleary identifiable and so is the outlier.
Any bigger than this and you are only expanding the axes to obscure detail as no more data would be visible and therefore no meaningful change in the trend is observable.
All you would achieve is making the difference between the countries seem superficially smaller compared to empty space occupied by no data.
If that is what you want you are the one manipulating the plot, not the authors of this plot.
@@killerb6509 if the graph was expanded it would reveal a bunch of impoverished and developing nations. Showing how far the US is from the developed world doesn’t look too great. Showing how close they are to the third world would probably look worse if we’re being realistic.
Haha
The gun death rates in this study aren't mentioning that in states with stand ur ground and castle doctrine aswell as easier self defense laws isn't because criminals are running around killing people its because ppl don't have to let a criminal victimize them and their family
>No south American countries
Yet another useless graph discarded
you cant have democracy without an armed population. Nations are ruled by their people, not by a government.
Ever heard about the biggest democracy? Their population dont have guns but still are the biggest democracy.
@@kingsmen1009 You dont have democracy then. You have a government teetering on the hopes of benevolence. The people rule the nation, the people have the power. That means the fire power.
@@kingsmen1009you missed the point there, sherlock
So you’re telling me when it’s legal to stand your ground, more people stand their ground? Great work guys, really eye-opening
In what world is Chile developed?😂
The thing to remember about a homicide is that when it comes to self-defense it can be ruled as justified, which can come into play with a stand your ground law. More people are going to feel more confident using guns to defend themselves in their homes in a stand your ground state, but it will still be ruled on the books as a homicide. Not a bad thing in of itself
Yes literally, these people act like defending yourself should a crime
If this country would remove gang violence/death from mass shootings then these statistics would dramatically drop.
The thing is, at least this is my take from Chile. Criminals don't get the guns in a lawfully way, so when you make it harder for lawful people to get a gun, specially after the left wing mutilated decimated the police in 2018, you get the feeling that criminals can wreck havock. They don't care that is illegal to have guns, they still have them.
Now which of those countries has the highest black population, I’ll wait.
Only in America, where their black population were enslaved for hundreds of years, and still are to an extent to this day, where redlining continues to have longterm effects or disproportionate education and wealth creation, would the race of the perpetrators of shootings be such an issue. They're Americans, own it.
Did you not see the pet on the graph that said per 100k population or per capita.
Make a scatter plot showing race vs homicide rate lol
I absolutely love this format. Concise, easy to follow graphs that clears the pathway to better outcomes.
Yeah like reducing the population of blacks in cities
stand your ground laws never killed anyone that wasn't asking for it.
if a homeowner is allowed to defend his property with deadly force, and you still choose to break in, thats on you.
shall not be infringed. stop making gun laws
Shall not be infringed*
The right can and shall be infringed upon if the person is mentally ill, a convicted felon or otherwise doesn't satisfy the required qualities and conditions placed on the purchase of a firearm.
If you don’t like it get out
Shall issue makes harder to get a gun, not easier