They HAVE to rework, expand, and tweak class/divisions. This has been an increasing problem as they try to cram as many cars into as few a division as possible over the years. We need more divisions, not less. There should absolutely be more one car divisions, with cars that also fit into other divisions. I should be able to take my Miata and participate in the Miata cup, which is a real thing. And the convertable class, and the rear wheel drive sports coups, and the japanese sports car cup.. etc. This approach in filling the grid out with different cars just for the sake of it is becoming like a cancer. Having actual race cars of wildly different decades and even entire eras mixed and matched HAS TO STOP if they're trying to cater to even the slightest hint of motorsport authenticity.
1000% agreed. The GT class that he mentioned got even dumber at what's combined. I totally agree that they need tons of deferent divisions. Like there should be a GTE, GT2 (2019+), GT4, GT3, and so on for just that one division we saw on screen. It's crazy to me that they have gotten worse with it.
they keep class/division numbers low for same reason Forza Horizon made you play all the modes you hated - they are so pesimistic about player numbers that they dont want players to be waiting in any queues.
Biggest plus in the car list is that there are less ‘copied cars’ and little to no 4x4 and SUV’s. Less filler and the vision forward is super bright in my opinion. Can’t wait to get into it!
How is that a plus? You realize some of us enjoy having fun at times right? If we did rallycross without the trophy and stadium trucks in CRS, yeah it might have been enjoyable but it sure as hell wouldn't have been as enjoyable as it really was. You realize that the funny stuff helps a game like Forza or Gran Turismo to be truly enjoyable right? If you want a full serious racing game, go to iRacing or ACC. You'll be at home there
if you want a goofy all-fun racing game, just go play horizon. motorsport is supposed to be more of the sim-cade genre, where it's realistic enough to have the simulator feel but accessible enough that you don't need to read manuals before even starting. it's not supposed to be "full serious" but it's not supposed to be a circus either. there's a reason that motorsport and horizon are separate titles and it's not the developers just trying to make more money with a repackaged game. you might enjoy it, but some of us don't like seeing meme cars mixed into the pack when we're trying to do a GT race in horizon and don't have the time and/or money for iRacing. ACC is great for GT but *only* GT because it literally has nothing else.
I don't understand why it's so hard for Forza and other titles to just give a little overhead "radar" that shows your car's shape, the actual width of the track, and the other cars and their actual shape. GT7 does some of this, but cars are triangles. I'd much rather see how close the hitboxes are rather than which exact angle they're facing.
@@YoloDennis Exactly. Meanwhile triangles aren't telling me how close the actual cars to making contact. Seems pretty clear one option has far more benefits than the other.
"Good foundation" Patethic. Game developers are painfully comfortable with releasing a skeleton of a game and trying to expand or change stuff later. Maybe it will be good, maybe not
Drove through the Suzuka spoon exit, realise I can actually take the corner normally because there is no longer wonky physics in the game. That was when I realise the forza motorsport is the real deal.
We are always given "strong foundations". We deserve a complete game at launch that truly is worth of being called a "motorsports" game and after supporting this franchise for so long
Absolutely loving your forza updates. It's so nice having an actual racing/sim fan do these reviews. Can't wait for your wheel setup guide. Keep it coming
Mount Panorama is what I'm really looking forward to. My friends have never tried it in any game, and seeing those two Aussie supercars makes me really excited for whenever it gets here. As long as they don't add a grass patch to the Cutting, like certain other games, it'll be great.
TLDR: game would have needed another 6 months of development. Now (PC)buyers are just beta testers again. 7:00 raindrops and whiper animations don't fit at all...
I'm glad you brought up anti aliasing. Forced anti aliasing is an awful idea at the best of times but it's especially bad in a racing game where there's constant motion Theres nothing wrong with the option. A lot of people can't stand shimmering so a bit of blur and artifacts are an easy compromise, but an option to turn it off would give a crystal clear, if shimmery image, that would solve issues like ghosting and blurry reflections in motion. You can always use reshade SMAA and even supersampling if you want a perfect experience. But those options have been made unavailable simply because Turn 10 doesn't want to give us the option
I can't wait to play this, took a day off work just to play it. I am however skeptical with the CARPG system. I think it will be fun at first, while your early in the game completing single-player, but mid to late game i think it will slow gameplay, especially online play. Its gonna suck wanting to build cars to drag race your friends or experiment to see who can build the best cars, knowing you cant build a car until you have 3-5 hours of racing with, it is gonna kill custom lobbies.
Agreed. I'm hoping they will have an exhibition mode where you can do whatever you want to your car and race with it, and just have it seperate from career mode.
@Flex_Mayo after my first couple of hours, it does feel pretty slow, completing 5 races and 5 practice sessions with one car only gets you about 15 levels, the 3-5 hour per car to reach level 50 looks accurate, with 500 cars at launch, lord help those like me who like to build a bunch of different cars lol
Yeah, my group loves themed events and this kills us. Having to pick solely from stock vehicles to fit the specs rather than build/swap things to meet specs is making for less varied lobbies. Everyones showing up in roughly identical cars rather than the custom built specialized cars we used to have. This will improve over time as people get more cars leveled to a point of customizability but early on its really hamstrung our events.
It's really missing some really nice LMP, GT1, GT2, GT3 and GTE cars from late 90s, all 2000s, 2010s era. There are some amazing classics that i'm hoping that they are working on it.
Working on them probably at a pace a business has when "content". I don´t quite see them shoveling in content at the speed that would make me go "full acknowledge and praise". If they publish 20 cars in the next 2 months, with surprise 3 environments, that would show they mean business, and would make me support them more, "despite" the fact they were praising the game and it´s "newness" and tools, for years. The somewhat "easygoing/lacking" content isn´t the "huge pool of racing", that many hah hoped for, me included, racing "forge/blueprints" and map editor/prop placing. The spectator missing, the online backing for proper cataloguing, admin rights and oversight, race and league shceduling, separate voice chat rooms, that functiomn hoewer MS/T10 likes-pit crew "meetings",anything you want,, all that is something I thought they would have. The game´s state could also pointing at possible issues with launching it at a good state, but managing, and holding out on stuff that "they also see should be present", and to make it pristine quality, as they have suffered setbacks in development, so many things present would be temporary, or subject to change in the first months, to even overhauls, within the first year´s time, if they do not expand the menu, nd show that they can mess it as needed, my hopes will fall to 10% of the previous. I mean, the game is great as a Forza can be, but it doesn´t mesh together all the things most thought "could be" there. If this IS THE FORZA, they wanted to make, they need to push the gas on making it more engaging and user friendly. I still cannot unsee the celebrations and stuff like that. The game looks played safe, bordering on dullness, go ham, and introduce new things, it shouldn´t take much, (where is the drag racing?), shouldn´t need 4 dozen meetings to decide on a "compromise" either. I just hope they can now turn it upside down, if they want to. The menu and imposter elegance of FM7, was bleh, the whole thing was terribleu. The celebrations and menu was doing my head in, and I didn´t forget the VIP and lootbox fiasco either, the load times they managed by keeping it all in engine loading assests on XBOne, absolute dogcrap, pretentious "premium product", straining your balls by waiting... The game had great promise, soiled with oversights and loading times, also funky and somewhat crippled, then abandoned. The FRR was a fiasco of huge proportions, just like the drag racing was. The talks about the implementation, and the results, along with the talks of "how They see" the results, said all needed to know they aren´t up to the task. The management and "not all can be done", "we are working on it behind the scenes", 2 yrs later, "see you guys in FM NEW- It WILL USE WhaT WE KNOW NOW" speak, patting their backs was just a shovel full of modern gaming development slowtime bullshit. We need more meetings. Guys. Then they present a new dull motorsport again to such fanfare.
@@schwarzemuschel7108 The passion has left the building over at Forza. Say what you want about GT7 but at least that game wasn't using vehicle models that date back 15+ years
Lime Rock looks BEAUTIFUL! One of my favorite tracks. A car radar would be nice to be more competitive in first person for sure. Glad to hear FFB is actually good this time around. When you say best in class, that means it (at least??) trades blows with AC? That'd be huge praise, huh. Hope to try it out soon. Gonna wait 5 days though, premium pay pig edition doesn't seem worth it to me.
I think the Forza team will definitely be upping the game over the next two years. The slow introduction gives and rollout of new content keeps this interesting while allowing the team to make sure this work well. Nordschleife is a great example. The longest track in the game, and if they are trying to simulate weather, the most dynamic. It would be nice to see it raining in one spot of the track and dry in order sections for proper track simulations.
Honestly, this game sounds pretty fun to play. I know there are some issues that need tweaking, but overall, it's left a pretty good impression on me. I will be playing the game tomorrow and trying it for myself to test out those issues and bugs that this video mentioned. Nonetheless, this is a great review that has filled with excitement. Cheers!
I’m good with everything so far besides the collision sounds which sound a bit harsh whether you scrape someone or full on crash and sometimes the AI go full wreck mode but otherwise I’m enjoying it and look forward to what’s to come
As someone who hasn't played yet but has played some single player assetto, and did research into their online scene as well as iRacing... I feel like the multiplayer in this game is the perfect balance between hardcore competitive sim racing, and fun arcade. This is what excites me the most, honestly.
Gameplay looks good, tracks look great, but unfortunately still... the car models just arent quite there. Especially paint. In GT7 i can zoom in and see the 3D depth of the flakes in metallic paint, and casting marks in the glass headlights on vintage cars, tiny OEM stickers etc. They were touting it as an absolute high bar in car detail, when in reality they are just slightly tweaked FM5 models. I say this as a player of all the Forza series and weekly FM7 wheel racer. The low res mirror also hurt my feelings because in GT7 watching a sunset in your mirror casting warm light into the hyper detailed interiors truly is a high bar. Either way, im excited to play it! FM7 was basically beaten 10 times over by me 😅
Thanks for the short update! Just set up my Gamepass again after a while and did the pre-load, so I'm ready to roll! Also I'd love to know your wheel settings, as I heard multiple times now that the standard wheel settings are rubbish - would be great to get the best out of my T300 from the start.
14:17 And that is the problem with modern games/companies. They don’t HAVE to make a good product on launch because they can fix it later through patches. I hate that it has become the norm to do this.
I really hope there is a hill climb course in the future. Fujimi Kaido is still my favorite of the series and with the dynamic time/weather it would be even more fun. It fits the games style, and works with the available cars. Its not like adding rally that would require entirely new rosters of cars to match. The current GT cars and sports cars would look absolutely at home on a mountain course. Goodwood or Pikes Peak, or another fictional course would be awesome.
Overall i'm pretty impressed with what I've seen. Obviously its not perfect all around, but I think they focused on the right things and made something that manages to be a compelling sim driving game and a compelling video game.
All the things you listed have been pretty much all of my worries about the game. But I trust turn 10 and the things that are “negatives” are easy things to fix. And they’ve shown with FH5 they definitely know how to make a game look good and I bet the game will be updated soon to make it look better than FH5 does
@xRaptorScreamx just another pointless hater, yes there are some old car models but the other ones look amazing, fh5 has been updated so much now and it looks awesome, I know this game will get the same treatment
As an avid GT7 player I understand the criticism regarding the AI in Forza: I wish it were better. The AI in GT7 is, however....horrible! This is much better.
thank you for hoki hoshi. you are a credible source of information, so i will rely on that. i trust what i see and hear from you. Sol is very excited to challenge the hardest level of Ai and conditions that Forza has to offer, and here in about 5 days i will attack Rival mode with fever (my fav) i am in it for the long run, because i am confident Fm will only get better.
Oh it's definitely the master of none, but I could not really call it a jack of all trades either... maybe a little. This game needs a complete overhaul, call it a reboot. Which is hilarious, because this was the reboot and it didn't need one before.
Question number 3 at the 11:17 mark... is there an option (like in FM7, although it was hidden in the assists menu) to change the length of the career mode races? I enjoyed doing all of mine on FM7 at the max distance. Doing this made a race an all day affair when taking into account the "test drive" practice time and tuning. I'd easily spend several hours on each race, with the race itself taking about an hour and a half. I really hope i can do this on the new one. I still have to work today so I won't be playing until tomorrow (Oct. 6th) morning.
Having played the game myself for a couple of hours thanks to the New Zealand trick, I have to say that first impressions for the racing feel is pretty solid, and the game feels really good on controller. Looking through the builders cup, I do agree that there should`ve been more championships at launch, but I don`t otherwise mind how they`ve set the career up. As for the car list, I`d say it`s solid, but I noticed a mix of cars that have been in every previous game, with plenty of cars that were introduced in FH5, a bunch of cars that were last in FM7 but not the horizon games (like the `02 firebird, the Peugeot 308, the dodge omni, the catfish camaro, ect), as well as many strange omissions that you`d think were guaranteed to be in the game (like the beetle and combi, and the last gen M2, just to name a few) Pretty excited for the future of this game though...
Came from FailRace’s video. Have to say, great fun game here. Lots of potential. But my goddddddd, the upgrade system is absolutely shocking. The one good thing to be consistently solid throughout the Forza games was the ability to take a car and upgrade it to whatever you want, straight away! Now they’re making us drive a car for 3 hours, so we can unlock every upgrade and upgrade it normally (not to mention that certain cars have literally no championships you can race them in for the career. Plus you can’t even rely on online because the events are constantly changing!). Then you get to the major dilemma of if the car you’ve upgraded to class is no good for that class you upgraded to, you’ve essentially wasted 3 hours of your time driving this car around and the process starts all over again. Buy a car, drive for 3 hours, hope for the best. This is a bad bad start for the game and I think they seriously need to fix it asap. Otherwise they’re going to lose the majority of any fan base they may have had potentially…
Learning that it has a Foxbody cup intrigues me quite a bit. I'm just hoping that the game runs well with the moza R5 because if/when I buy it, that's what I'll be playing it with.
Having V8 Supercars and no Brands Hatch feels a bit weird but hope we'll see the track being added sometime soon! Same for the Stellantis car brands such as Alfa Romeo, Lancia, Fiat and Abarth. Also the Nurburgring Nordschleife is something I'd love to have again. Endurance racing on the Ring is something else!
Where are the mclaren 720 gt3, the huracan super trofeo, the mercedes amg gt3 and the lexus gt3? ALL of them got leaked or we could see them in official photos :/
How can one of your BIGGEST selling points of the game be graphics and you STILL don't deliver? Its like we are living in a fever dream. Modern gaming at its finest
I would like to argue that "still don't deliver" is probably a bit too much to say. I agree that they don't deliver in the way they should be, but don't get it twisted; this game still looks pretty damn good. I strongly believe that post-launch support will be very good and that those issues will be patched in no time.
Yeah, if they do not start running away with things "that should have been in", introducing game modes, options, and other, while tweaking the UI, my hopes are dead in the water for the game to become GREAT. Remember VIP, lootboxes, and "implementing FRR", drag racing?- working behind the scenes, updates soon-TM, se you next time! And the talks go on and on an on self sustaing half truths at best singularly, and a dark molassy volume of stuck up lies, ready to become re-engaged. 6 yrs of FM7 for this? 2 yrs, sure, but come on! I´d expect to be swimming in tracks and new cars and game modes and options, themed championships, new cars, liveries, events, come April. I´ve just watched a "rant" of the man who stands behind the first Fallout, and him telling about people needing weeks worth of deadlines, for work that takes 30 minutes to do. Sure, this was an "additional", boss to programmer task, but it was simple as addition to NPC AI programming. "I need 2 weeks, man." Then we compare the departments together, after 6 months, and see that the sterile dead-face game is not only crap, but doesn´t even work.@@oleh_1337 I don´t think people are expected to be geniuses, but they need competence, like a plumber, joiner, plasterer, roofer, or heavens forbid, a shoemaker. They still work at speed that takes a full human, so they make the most money. The company culture slows things down to a crawl. I did expect more for sure. The re-used assets and replay is pretty demoralizing.
Agreed on graphics. I do wonder if FM8 will support Nvidia filters on PC. I hope so. I know FM7 did not. Sometimes the Nvidia filters can be applied to fix some issue with graphics, particularly exposure and color issues. Never as good as inside the game but still very useful. Disappointing to hear the lack of FOV focus for us sim racers. Hopefully I'll feel comfortable enough but yeah, tweaking it for different situation is important. Do then even have the ability to look left,right? I would assume so but dunno. Would be nice if they supported head tracking but guessing they won't.
7:45 I love a racing game thast costs tens of millions of dollars to develop with dynamic weather as a selling point and they cant even make windshield wipers work. This is embarrassing.
Thanks so much for this - I always struggle with wheel settings (g920 +xbox series x) It seems like you already have these down Sir, Would you be able to share your settings please - If you can do it before midnight UK time that would be even better lol (joking)- Thanks for all your videos
Next question, do the AI also get penalized when they do something dumb, like turning into you like you aren't there, or brake-checking you when they shouldn't be braking at all? Or wren they force you off the track because they didn't "leave-uh-the-space?"
At 5:00 I zoom out to show the game running at 32:9 actually! The ingame experience plays fine at 32:9, but the menus UI and photo mode will be 16:9, and the FOV options are a bit limited for some
@@HokiHoshiwow great news! I was just worried it would play like GT7 on an ultra wide, which is basically unplayable (at least for me). Thanks very much for all the work you put into these recent vids, much appreciated!
Gonna repeat what I've said before and add something new. Car levels and points should be for a model and now just that one specific car. If they're going to keep with the grindy upgrade system I think FM8 should be longer than 2 years in life span or you should be allowed to carry some if not all car levels to FM9 if it is the normal 2 year cycle
Its looking beautiful and i go messing the graphic setup for today and play again at the weekend with Forza Horizon 5 to finish the last week (this week more correct) challenges.
i have a hard disagree for the online races thing, there are basically no options, and the tracks are super limited, in the GT class you have 5 tracks out of the 20 there are in game, which makes it super repetitive, and then the lack of different classes just makes it so annoying, im relying on the GT for all my racing because i dont like slow cars, and it might be a couple weeks to get one event that i like with the right classes.... and the ppenalty system definitly needs some tweeking, not with the harshness of the penlties, which are pretty harsh already, but with the allocation, becuase i got hit by a guy 3 times and i racked up 3 secs of penalties, then the guy pit maneuvered someone and he got no penalties
They really need to bring back all the forgotten cars… basically all of the civics are missing mainly the EG hatch and some of the later type Rs and SIs, Acuras like the RL and TSX, all the 90/00s GT cars like the viper ACRs, c5/c6 vettes, flying lizard Porsches, and also the LMP cars from that era! I guess since they’re now dated cars that explains why they’re gone… but it would be cool to see “vintage” racing series as a part of the story progression
The description of the AI sounds exactly like Horizon 5 to me. Go all out and pass as many as you can in bunches in the first lap and get in range of leaders. All those you pass get stuck behind you and never threaten to overtake no matter how mediocre you drive, and if you fail to get within sneezing range of the leaders, they just take off and and gone with no hope of ever catching them no matter how good you drive.
Bit out of context, but the clip at 9:15 is very jarring going straight on at the end of the Laguna Seca front straight, didn't know that was a track configuration. Google maps says it doesn't exist so I was very confused.
You say exactly what i think in all areas. It is a perfect balance between all the Sims and despite the great physics also beginners friendly. I like it and in a few months ... 💥 Best
Great video Hoki! I would love to see a Gran Turismo 7 vs Forza Motorsport comparison video (mainly the gameplay systems and progression/online modes) as i have a ps5 and a gaming PC, and torn between the two titles (noob to racing games).
This is an excellent and fair analysis, it does have huge potential if they're committed to iterative improvement and additions as the base gameplay is welcoming to both pad and wheel players. I normally drive ACC, Automobilista 2, and iRacing but those titles honestly don't have much substance outside of challenging yourself in terms of laptimes... or online competition of course. I wanted a title I could just dip in and enjoy without buying a PS5 for GT7, and so far I'm liking how it plays.
@@brawler5760 I'm certainly going to keep sim racing, I just wanted a title with more arcade/fun features that could still be played with a wheel. The handling & FFB is surprisingly good in Forza, but I agree there are many bugs to fix and features to refine right now.
they've been so lazy with the cars ... no LMH LMdH, no recent european hot hatches, a lot of duplicates, some "old" and bad cars that are there since Forza 3/4/5 ( for example the Peugeot 308 GTI from 2008, no one wants to drive, that, however, the 2013 version is one of the best hot hatch from the last 10 years ) , some that are badly modeled and still show the same mistakes
Hey this was a great video! Thank you for objectively sharing your thoughts and not just being negative the entire time like so many people like to do. I know you only like to play in interior camera but as a viewer, I think it would be nice if you would also show at least some 3rd person footage for those of us that prefer to play that way and also just so that we can appreciate the car models. Just a thought 😊
6:51 But look here that can not be noticeable that the rain is not cleared away from the wipers....That the rain physiks are good, I believe you, but you have not noticed?
The whole featured multiplayer races and community races stuff is super sick and I’ve actually gotten into the car upgrading system having not been to excited about the changes at first. That being said, the default wheel physics are ass and I still haven’t perfected my wheel yet having played since the midnight release
When you compared the game to AC, ACC and iR, I wished you could make a comparison to Automobilista 2. After 1.5, the handling is absolutely top notch, it works great in VR and there's a third party online platform for it called Racecraft Online which has a very neatly crafted schedule of races, a license system to progress through, and also utilizes AMS2's ability to enable AI in online races, which means you can race against AI if there's less than 4 players registered for the race, allowing the use of the platform at any time regardless of population, making it a singleplayer-multiplayer coherent hybrid. Of course at the moment you're likely going to be focused on FM, and rightfully so, but I think AMS2 is worth checking out at some point.
I've got the game on Gamepass and when I started it I wasn't that excited because of the CARPG system and I didn't expect much from the FFB and the multilayer. I,very been positively surprised by both. The FFB on my CSL DD, ince dialed in, feels really good and I've been able to drive cars consistently with it and the multiplayer system looks like it's perfect for me. I've been racing for years on ACC and I was getting tired by the amount of effort needed for every race in that game. It often took 2-3 hours for every race I participated in. In FM I can practice, qualify and race in under 20 minutes. And as said in the video there's a lot of variety and there are always races to join. I've been able to get S Rank on Safety so hopefully I get matched with other safe drivers. I expected just another FM7 with a different career mode and a worse upgrade system that would only play decently with a controller but It looks like I've found a competitive but quick and simple multiplayer racing game that plays very nicely with a wheel. Don't really care about the career mode now, and If I want to upgrade and test cars I'll stick to Horizon which has got a lot more variety in cars and biomes where rally, offroad or weird builds makes a lot more sense than Motorsport, Can't wait to play more of Forza Motorsport and I'm really looking forward to the upcoming updates and new content.
Mixed feeling, handling was something I'm so afraid of because I don't like how wheel behave on FM7, turns out it's good. But the graphic, something they mention many times as the best in class, somehow feels meh.
@@ItsEphora crazy how they mention about the paint reflection on one of those developers direct video, and seeing how it is on early access. Even the rain on the windscreen is no where near AC with CSP.
@@ItsEphoraGTs rendering and materials are crap by comparison. I honestly can't think of any particular aspect of GTs visual presentation that is higher quality than any aspect of Forza's.
To be fair, a lot of the criticism, can be paralleled to Forza Motorsport 5 which was a new generation launch title. For example, FM5 launched with 17 tracks, and and 200 cars and FM2023, does have a similar, though not as drastic downgrade in content from FM7 when compared to FM5 from FM4. From 5 to 6 and especially 7 the overall quality improved with each entry, aside microtransactions and some other gimmicks. For example, FM5 had static time of day, or any weather effects if I'm not mistaken. FM6 added night and rain, as well as adding puddles to track surfaces which that could hydroplane your car which as big at the time, though it was all baked in/static. FM7 added dynamic weather, which meant dynamic track conditions in which puddles would be introduced if it rained. Finally, FM8 we get full dynamic time of day and weather with big changes to lighting and coupled with the new car and tire physics, I'd say is pretty substantial. I think between this game and the next game it there will definitely be improvements in regards to things like divisions. I really want them to add qualifiers to races. I still feel Turn10 is afraid to further embrace the "sim" aspect, instead focusing on authenticity and despite the increase in popularity of sim racers over the last generation, I think the new FM introduces enough, whilst maintaining itself as the more approachable racing game. I still think F1 is top tier in terms of simulated motorsport simply because its focused on the dynamics of Formula 1 which Codemasters can dial to a T but in time FM8 will more than likely surpass 7 in the ways that FM5 unfortunately did not surpass FM4
CP system meeeeh I dunno yet and a I are faster but then you push hard over take the first leader then he slows down lol, visually looks ok but I dunno 7 looked different or better I dunno need to check (series X performance RT) handling feels ok on sim steering on a pad, music is ok in menu, I think there plenty of improvement but maybe I expected more out of it. I’ll see how I go and what updates we get. Haven’t seen a M Rossi name yet 😢
The thing that gets me excited to try this game out is the fact it sounds like it has a solid base. FM7 was hot garbage at launch, especially in the features department, so it’s great to hear this game only needs a few minor tweaks and extra content to go from good to great. Hopefully as cars/tracks and system tweaks (CARPG for tuning) with new options that the community wants it can become the best game in its genre.
It's the exact same thing they did with Forza Horizon 5, They heavily focused on the console version and it runs/looks good, However the PC version has a lot of graphical issues and bugs and the shadows/lighting is terrible. That's why majority of Forza UA-camrs mainly stream/play on the series X version of the game.
Can you play coop with a friend, also against ai in private multiplayer? This was a disappointingly omitted feature in FM7. So weird how you could play against bots in a private match by yourself but as soon as a friend would join, suddenly ai aren’t allowed anymore.
Hmm I’m definitely looking forward to this, especially getting back to racing on my rig. I have to say though a noticeable dip in lighting fidelity, cars, tracks and a less comprehensive rain physics than previous generations of the game isn’t really acceptable. I guess I’m just getting really tired of the recipe we’ve all become used to in this generation of games (overhype a game, sell it half cocked for £60/70 then gradually bring it up to standard over time, while finding clever ways to monetise returning content, features and polish).
They HAVE to rework, expand, and tweak class/divisions. This has been an increasing problem as they try to cram as many cars into as few a division as possible over the years. We need more divisions, not less. There should absolutely be more one car divisions, with cars that also fit into other divisions. I should be able to take my Miata and participate in the Miata cup, which is a real thing. And the convertable class, and the rear wheel drive sports coups, and the japanese sports car cup.. etc. This approach in filling the grid out with different cars just for the sake of it is becoming like a cancer. Having actual race cars of wildly different decades and even entire eras mixed and matched HAS TO STOP if they're trying to cater to even the slightest hint of motorsport authenticity.
You said nothing wrong….. it’s the biggest ick to have cars that shouldn’t and wouldn’t be racing each other in a class 🤣
1000% agreed. The GT class that he mentioned got even dumber at what's combined. I totally agree that they need tons of deferent divisions. Like there should be a GTE, GT2 (2019+), GT4, GT3, and so on for just that one division we saw on screen. It's crazy to me that they have gotten worse with it.
they keep class/division numbers low for same reason Forza Horizon made you play all the modes you hated - they are so pesimistic about player numbers that they dont want players to be waiting in any queues.
@@r35killaatleast those are all GTs, the worst thing is they have added Aussie V8 supercars into the GT class. Those aren't even GT cars!
3,2,1 drive is kinda lame, race tracks use starting lights, race cars use lights, dumbed down version 8.0
Biggest plus in the car list is that there are less ‘copied cars’ and little to no 4x4 and SUV’s. Less filler and the vision forward is super bright in my opinion. Can’t wait to get into it!
Little to no? you mean there are 0 4x4's and SUV's, theres also 0 wacky cars like the isetta and such, also 0 vintage cars like the beetle etc etc
How is that a plus?
You realize some of us enjoy having fun at times right? If we did rallycross without the trophy and stadium trucks in CRS, yeah it might have been enjoyable but it sure as hell wouldn't have been as enjoyable as it really was.
You realize that the funny stuff helps a game like Forza or Gran Turismo to be truly enjoyable right?
If you want a full serious racing game, go to iRacing or ACC. You'll be at home there
if you want a goofy all-fun racing game, just go play horizon. motorsport is supposed to be more of the sim-cade genre, where it's realistic enough to have the simulator feel but accessible enough that you don't need to read manuals before even starting. it's not supposed to be "full serious" but it's not supposed to be a circus either. there's a reason that motorsport and horizon are separate titles and it's not the developers just trying to make more money with a repackaged game.
you might enjoy it, but some of us don't like seeing meme cars mixed into the pack when we're trying to do a GT race in horizon and don't have the time and/or money for iRacing. ACC is great for GT but *only* GT because it literally has nothing else.
@@SkylineLofe Exactly like I should be able to race a trackhawk or a ram in a was for trucks or suvs hell maybe even a urus.
I agree! I absolutely hate the “joke” cars and SUVs, so out of place. Although I’m sure they will change this later and add them in much to my dismay
I don't understand why it's so hard for Forza and other titles to just give a little overhead "radar" that shows your car's shape, the actual width of the track, and the other cars and their actual shape. GT7 does some of this, but cars are triangles. I'd much rather see how close the hitboxes are rather than which exact angle they're facing.
Exactly. Having the shapes of the actual hitbox would still show you their direction at the end of the day!
@@YoloDennis Exactly. Meanwhile triangles aren't telling me how close the actual cars to making contact. Seems pretty clear one option has far more benefits than the other.
Acc has best radar ive seen
You need better race craft mate, i bet you race on controller to 😂 i mean 97 % of forza players do
@@deezz6935 I agree, in real life you don't have a "radar" and if your using a HANS device your neck isin't moving very much.
A pretty good upgrade from FM7 is that the on track difference from your opponents is not in distance but time. Should have always been like this.
I didn't realize that until now, yes it is about time that made it into the game.
fm7 had an update late into its lifecycle with this, so it’s nothing new
@@mrskibum885 Thanks for the info. I must have stopped playing it before they introduced that update. It was just really odd and annoying back then.
That was in Forza 7, I used it for years.
I wish they had fixed the annoying constant flickering between 10th's of a second, just have it update every 1 second instead. @@mrskibum885
"Good foundation" Patethic. Game developers are painfully comfortable with releasing a skeleton of a game and trying to expand or change stuff later. Maybe it will be good, maybe not
Drove through the Suzuka spoon exit, realise I can actually take the corner normally because there is no longer wonky physics in the game. That was when I realise the forza motorsport is the real deal.
You’re high.
@@brawler5760ah yes, what a great argument
We are always given "strong foundations". We deserve a complete game at launch that truly is worth of being called a "motorsports" game and after supporting this franchise for so long
Absolutely loving your forza updates. It's so nice having an actual racing/sim fan do these reviews. Can't wait for your wheel setup guide. Keep it coming
Mount Panorama is what I'm really looking forward to. My friends have never tried it in any game, and seeing those two Aussie supercars makes me really excited for whenever it gets here. As long as they don't add a grass patch to the Cutting, like certain other games, it'll be great.
I really hope they add a few Australian track, otherwise Supercar V8 are useless. They need to change Supercar from being in GT category
TLDR: game would have needed another 6 months of development.
Now (PC)buyers are just beta testers again.
7:00 raindrops and whiper animations don't fit at all...
I'm glad you brought up anti aliasing. Forced anti aliasing is an awful idea at the best of times but it's especially bad in a racing game where there's constant motion
Theres nothing wrong with the option. A lot of people can't stand shimmering so a bit of blur and artifacts are an easy compromise, but an option to turn it off would give a crystal clear, if shimmery image, that would solve issues like ghosting and blurry reflections in motion.
You can always use reshade SMAA and even supersampling if you want a perfect experience. But those options have been made unavailable simply because Turn 10 doesn't want to give us the option
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I can't wait to play this, took a day off work just to play it. I am however skeptical with the CARPG system. I think it will be fun at first, while your early in the game completing single-player, but mid to late game i think it will slow gameplay, especially online play. Its gonna suck wanting to build cars to drag race your friends or experiment to see who can build the best cars, knowing you cant build a car until you have 3-5 hours of racing with, it is gonna kill custom lobbies.
Yup this right here, one of my biggest worries about the game.
Agreed. I'm hoping they will have an exhibition mode where you can do whatever you want to your car and race with it, and just have it seperate from career mode.
Hopefully they speed up the progression time.
@Flex_Mayo after my first couple of hours, it does feel pretty slow, completing 5 races and 5 practice sessions with one car only gets you about 15 levels, the 3-5 hour per car to reach level 50 looks accurate, with 500 cars at launch, lord help those like me who like to build a bunch of different cars lol
Yeah, my group loves themed events and this kills us. Having to pick solely from stock vehicles to fit the specs rather than build/swap things to meet specs is making for less varied lobbies. Everyones showing up in roughly identical cars rather than the custom built specialized cars we used to have. This will improve over time as people get more cars leveled to a point of customizability but early on its really hamstrung our events.
It's really missing some really nice LMP, GT1, GT2, GT3 and GTE cars from late 90s, all 2000s, 2010s era. There are some amazing classics that i'm hoping that they are working on it.
Working on them probably at a pace a business has when "content". I don´t quite see them shoveling in content at the speed that would make me go "full acknowledge and praise". If they publish 20 cars in the next 2 months, with surprise 3 environments, that would show they mean business, and would make me support them more, "despite" the fact they were praising the game and it´s "newness" and tools, for years.
The somewhat "easygoing/lacking" content isn´t the "huge pool of racing", that many hah hoped for, me included, racing "forge/blueprints" and map editor/prop placing. The spectator missing, the online backing for proper cataloguing, admin rights and oversight, race and league shceduling, separate voice chat rooms, that functiomn hoewer MS/T10 likes-pit crew "meetings",anything you want,, all that is something I thought they would have.
The game´s state could also pointing at possible issues with launching it at a good state, but managing, and holding out on stuff that "they also see should be present", and to make it pristine quality, as they have suffered setbacks in development, so many things present would be temporary, or subject to change in the first months, to even overhauls, within the first year´s time, if they do not expand the menu, nd show that they can mess it as needed, my hopes will fall to 10% of the previous. I mean, the game is great as a Forza can be, but it doesn´t mesh together all the things most thought "could be" there.
If this IS THE FORZA, they wanted to make, they need to push the gas on making it more engaging and user friendly. I still cannot unsee the celebrations and stuff like that. The game looks played safe, bordering on dullness, go ham, and introduce new things, it shouldn´t take much, (where is the drag racing?), shouldn´t need 4 dozen meetings to decide on a "compromise" either.
I just hope they can now turn it upside down, if they want to. The menu and imposter elegance of FM7, was bleh, the whole thing was terribleu. The celebrations and menu was doing my head in, and I didn´t forget the VIP and lootbox fiasco either, the load times they managed by keeping it all in engine loading assests on XBOne, absolute dogcrap, pretentious "premium product", straining your balls by waiting... The game had great promise, soiled with oversights and loading times, also funky and somewhat crippled, then abandoned. The FRR was a fiasco of huge proportions, just like the drag racing was.
The talks about the implementation, and the results, along with the talks of "how They see" the results, said all needed to know they aren´t up to the task. The management and "not all can be done", "we are working on it behind the scenes", 2 yrs later, "see you guys in FM NEW- It WILL USE WhaT WE KNOW NOW" speak, patting their backs was just a shovel full of modern gaming development slowtime bullshit. We need more meetings. Guys. Then they present a new dull motorsport again to such fanfare.
Heavily agree. Was very disappointed to not see any old Mercedes GT cars
They are missing so many race cars. I mean it’s Motorsport and not horizon and there are just a few real race cars. It’s a shame
@@schwarzemuschel7108 The passion has left the building over at Forza. Say what you want about GT7 but at least that game wasn't using vehicle models that date back 15+ years
I am convinced they have multiple cars that were put aside just so they can add them later lol
Lime Rock looks BEAUTIFUL! One of my favorite tracks.
A car radar would be nice to be more competitive in first person for sure.
Glad to hear FFB is actually good this time around. When you say best in class, that means it (at least??) trades blows with AC? That'd be huge praise, huh.
Hope to try it out soon. Gonna wait 5 days though, premium pay pig edition doesn't seem worth it to me.
I think the Forza team will definitely be upping the game over the next two years. The slow introduction gives and rollout of new content keeps this interesting while allowing the team to make sure this work well. Nordschleife is a great example. The longest track in the game, and if they are trying to simulate weather, the most dynamic. It would be nice to see it raining in one spot of the track and dry in order sections for proper track simulations.
ikr I know I personally can't wait to have to buy the game another 2 times in DLC just to have cars and tracks that exist in past forza games.
Honestly, this game sounds pretty fun to play. I know there are some issues that need tweaking, but overall, it's left a pretty good impression on me. I will be playing the game tomorrow and trying it for myself to test out those issues and bugs that this video mentioned. Nonetheless, this is a great review that has filled with excitement. Cheers!
I’m good with everything so far besides the collision sounds which sound a bit harsh whether you scrape someone or full on crash and sometimes the AI go full wreck mode but otherwise I’m enjoying it and look forward to what’s to come
As someone who hasn't played yet but has played some single player assetto, and did research into their online scene as well as iRacing... I feel like the multiplayer in this game is the perfect balance between hardcore competitive sim racing, and fun arcade. This is what excites me the most, honestly.
I'm glad to hear the wheel feels good with the right settings. I'm excited for this one.
Gameplay looks good, tracks look great, but unfortunately still... the car models just arent quite there. Especially paint. In GT7 i can zoom in and see the 3D depth of the flakes in metallic paint, and casting marks in the glass headlights on vintage cars, tiny OEM stickers etc.
They were touting it as an absolute high bar in car detail, when in reality they are just slightly tweaked FM5 models. I say this as a player of all the Forza series and weekly FM7 wheel racer. The low res mirror also hurt my feelings because in GT7 watching a sunset in your mirror casting warm light into the hyper detailed interiors truly is a high bar. Either way, im excited to play it! FM7 was basically beaten 10 times over by me 😅
The biggest thing that scares me is that they won't fix the major issues with the upgrade/level system before too many people stop playing the game.
I've personally skipped purchasing this game, I'm disappointed that it's a car RPG, and not Motorsport 😞
Thanks for the short update! Just set up my Gamepass again after a while and did the pre-load, so I'm ready to roll! Also I'd love to know your wheel settings, as I heard multiple times now that the standard wheel settings are rubbish - would be great to get the best out of my T300 from the start.
you did a really good job on this video its paced really well with great breakdowns
The graphics look like AC with CSP and a PP filter. And that's a compliment.
Shame it dose not come close to AC in car handling and wheel support. I would even settle with it being on par with something like automobilista 2.
Cant wait for your wheel settings ! Keep up the great content !
14:17 And that is the problem with modern games/companies. They don’t HAVE to make a good product on launch because they can fix it later through patches. I hate that it has become the norm to do this.
Watching an other video before, I was pretty bummed down about this game... But this here absolutely renewed my confidence! Damn, can't wait now! :)
Lack of radar/CrewChief really hurts tight clean online racing
I really hope there is a hill climb course in the future. Fujimi Kaido is still my favorite of the series and with the dynamic time/weather it would be even more fun. It fits the games style, and works with the available cars. Its not like adding rally that would require entirely new rosters of cars to match. The current GT cars and sports cars would look absolutely at home on a mountain course. Goodwood or Pikes Peak, or another fictional course would be awesome.
Anisotropic filtering at 16x is by far the best looking that i have found but good lord i just want vr 😂
Overall i'm pretty impressed with what I've seen. Obviously its not perfect all around, but I think they focused on the right things and made something that manages to be a compelling sim driving game and a compelling video game.
I hope we get Bathurst (Mt Panorama) ASAP - Such a great track for competitive multiplayer racing!!
tbh its pathetic its not already on it
All the things you listed have been pretty much all of my worries about the game. But I trust turn 10 and the things that are “negatives” are easy things to fix. And they’ve shown with FH5 they definitely know how to make a game look good and I bet the game will be updated soon to make it look better than FH5 does
You shouldn't trust a developer that never proved they deserve trusting. T10 and PGG have my 0 trust
@@thevirq what bad did playground games do?
@@adityan3208entire FH5 launch and 1st year?
dont trust someone who says "from the ground up" for 6 years, and still uses 10 yo assets
@xRaptorScreamx just another pointless hater, yes there are some old car models but the other ones look amazing, fh5 has been updated so much now and it looks awesome, I know this game will get the same treatment
Greatly appreciate the summary in the intro!
Thank you for the great review as always man!
As an avid GT7 player I understand the criticism regarding the AI in Forza: I wish it were better. The AI in GT7 is, however....horrible! This is much better.
The normal AI in GT7 is definitely rough, but what they're doing with the Sophy AI is really cool!!
@@HokiHoshi I forgot about Sophie. Yes, those races were very cool. I wonder when and if they will implement it.
thank you for hoki hoshi. you are a credible source of information, so i will rely on that. i trust what i see and hear from you. Sol is very excited to challenge the hardest level of Ai and conditions that Forza has to offer, and here in about 5 days i will attack Rival mode with fever (my fav) i am in it for the long run, because i am confident Fm will only get better.
Oh it's definitely the master of none, but I could not really call it a jack of all trades either... maybe a little.
This game needs a complete overhaul, call it a reboot. Which is hilarious, because this was the reboot and it didn't need one before.
Great review!
Biggest issue is the upgrade path. Single player is fine,just kills the game for the online community.
Question number 3 at the 11:17 mark... is there an option (like in FM7, although it was hidden in the assists menu) to change the length of the career mode races? I enjoyed doing all of mine on FM7 at the max distance. Doing this made a race an all day affair when taking into account the "test drive" practice time and tuning. I'd easily spend several hours on each race, with the race itself taking about an hour and a half. I really hope i can do this on the new one. I still have to work today so I won't be playing until tomorrow (Oct. 6th) morning.
Please share your wheel settings Hoki...FH5 and FM7 were both close to unplayable with defaults
I second this! Would be great to have a base to go off of.
Having played the game myself for a couple of hours thanks to the New Zealand trick, I have to say that first impressions for the racing feel is pretty solid, and the game feels really good on controller. Looking through the builders cup, I do agree that there should`ve been more championships at launch, but I don`t otherwise mind how they`ve set the career up. As for the car list, I`d say it`s solid, but I noticed a mix of cars that have been in every previous game, with plenty of cars that were introduced in FH5, a bunch of cars that were last in FM7 but not the horizon games (like the `02 firebird, the Peugeot 308, the dodge omni, the catfish camaro, ect), as well as many strange omissions that you`d think were guaranteed to be in the game (like the beetle and combi, and the last gen M2, just to name a few)
Pretty excited for the future of this game though...
Came from FailRace’s video. Have to say, great fun game here. Lots of potential. But my goddddddd, the upgrade system is absolutely shocking. The one good thing to be consistently solid throughout the Forza games was the ability to take a car and upgrade it to whatever you want, straight away! Now they’re making us drive a car for 3 hours, so we can unlock every upgrade and upgrade it normally (not to mention that certain cars have literally no championships you can race them in for the career. Plus you can’t even rely on online because the events are constantly changing!).
Then you get to the major dilemma of if the car you’ve upgraded to class is no good for that class you upgraded to, you’ve essentially wasted 3 hours of your time driving this car around and the process starts all over again. Buy a car, drive for 3 hours, hope for the best.
This is a bad bad start for the game and I think they seriously need to fix it asap. Otherwise they’re going to lose the majority of any fan base they may have had potentially…
it's literally a carpg and that's not what anyone wanted
Learning that it has a Foxbody cup intrigues me quite a bit. I'm just hoping that the game runs well with the moza R5 because if/when I buy it, that's what I'll be playing it with.
Having V8 Supercars and no Brands Hatch feels a bit weird but hope we'll see the track being added sometime soon! Same for the Stellantis car brands such as Alfa Romeo, Lancia, Fiat and Abarth.
Also the Nurburgring Nordschleife is something I'd love to have again. Endurance racing on the Ring is something else!
Where are the mclaren 720 gt3, the huracan super trofeo, the mercedes amg gt3 and the lexus gt3? ALL of them got leaked or we could see them in official photos :/
How can one of your BIGGEST selling points of the game be graphics and you STILL don't deliver? Its like we are living in a fever dream. Modern gaming at its finest
The graphics definitely weren't the biggest selling point for me, the revamped physics were and for the time being I only hear good stuff.
Don’t know what selling points you were checking but graphics were definitely NOT their biggest priority.
@@RukaGoldheartmost of the launch trailer was talking about graphics
@@roideus oh? I never looked at the trailers especially the reveal ones when the game is announced.
I would like to argue that "still don't deliver" is probably a bit too much to say. I agree that they don't deliver in the way they should be, but don't get it twisted; this game still looks pretty damn good. I strongly believe that post-launch support will be very good and that those issues will be patched in no time.
7:33
lmfao the backwards animation on the windshield wipers...
Best review by far.
Thank you.
Again a game to get next year when it’s ready 😂
Facts. And then you'll get "test updates intended for the next game"
Yeah, if they do not start running away with things "that should have been in", introducing game modes, options, and other, while tweaking the UI, my hopes are dead in the water for the game to become GREAT. Remember VIP, lootboxes, and "implementing FRR", drag racing?- working behind the scenes, updates soon-TM, se you next time! And the talks go on and on an on self sustaing half truths at best singularly, and a dark molassy volume of stuck up lies, ready to become re-engaged. 6 yrs of FM7 for this? 2 yrs, sure, but come on! I´d expect to be swimming in tracks and new cars and game modes and options, themed championships, new cars, liveries, events, come April.
I´ve just watched a "rant" of the man who stands behind the first Fallout, and him telling about people needing weeks worth of deadlines, for work that takes 30 minutes to do. Sure, this was an "additional", boss to programmer task, but it was simple as addition to NPC AI programming. "I need 2 weeks, man." Then we compare the departments together, after 6 months, and see that the sterile dead-face game is not only crap, but doesn´t even work.@@oleh_1337 I don´t think people are expected to be geniuses, but they need competence, like a plumber, joiner, plasterer, roofer, or heavens forbid, a shoemaker. They still work at speed that takes a full human, so they make the most money. The company culture slows things down to a crawl. I did expect more for sure. The re-used assets and replay is pretty demoralizing.
Agreed on graphics. I do wonder if FM8 will support Nvidia filters on PC. I hope so. I know FM7 did not. Sometimes the Nvidia filters can be applied to fix some issue with graphics, particularly exposure and color issues. Never as good as inside the game but still very useful. Disappointing to hear the lack of FOV focus for us sim racers. Hopefully I'll feel comfortable enough but yeah, tweaking it for different situation is important. Do then even have the ability to look left,right? I would assume so but dunno. Would be nice if they supported head tracking but guessing they won't.
7:45 I love a racing game thast costs tens of millions of dollars to develop with dynamic weather as a selling point and they cant even make windshield wipers work. This is embarrassing.
Can't wait to play tonight, I'm staying up all night lol. I've been looking forward to this game for so long it feels like forever.
Thanks so much for this - I always struggle with wheel settings (g920 +xbox series x) It seems like you already have these down Sir, Would you be able to share your settings please - If you can do it before midnight UK time that would be even better lol (joking)- Thanks for all your videos
I agree they need a radar and a spotter
at 7:20 the animation is backwards on the windshield with the rain and the wiper
Next question, do the AI also get penalized when they do something dumb, like turning into you like you aren't there, or brake-checking you when they shouldn't be braking at all? Or wren they force you off the track because they didn't "leave-uh-the-space?"
So…just to confirm, there isn’t support for 32:9 ultra wide monitor? I’m not interested in playing in 20:9 AR.
At 5:00 I zoom out to show the game running at 32:9 actually!
The ingame experience plays fine at 32:9, but the menus UI and photo mode will be 16:9, and the FOV options are a bit limited for some
@@HokiHoshiwow great news! I was just worried it would play like GT7 on an ultra wide, which is basically unplayable (at least for me). Thanks very much for all the work you put into these recent vids, much appreciated!
Gonna repeat what I've said before and add something new. Car levels and points should be for a model and now just that one specific car. If they're going to keep with the grindy upgrade system I think FM8 should be longer than 2 years in life span or you should be allowed to carry some if not all car levels to FM9 if it is the normal 2 year cycle
Its looking beautiful and i go messing the graphic setup for today and play again at the weekend with Forza Horizon 5 to finish the last week (this week more correct) challenges.
Thanks fir the great video. Please share your ffb settings!
Is it possible to race against AI with friends? Horizon doesn't cut it for me.
This is what I wonder aswell. Some kind of co-op career mode would be great. I love Horizon aswell, but I prefer actual racetracks.
No, there's no AI in multiplayer
i have a hard disagree for the online races thing, there are basically no options, and the tracks are super limited, in the GT class you have 5 tracks out of the 20 there are in game, which makes it super repetitive, and then the lack of different classes just makes it so annoying, im relying on the GT for all my racing because i dont like slow cars, and it might be a couple weeks to get one event that i like with the right classes.... and the ppenalty system definitly needs some tweeking, not with the harshness of the penlties, which are pretty harsh already, but with the allocation, becuase i got hit by a guy 3 times and i racked up 3 secs of penalties, then the guy pit maneuvered someone and he got no penalties
They really need to bring back all the forgotten cars… basically all of the civics are missing mainly the EG hatch and some of the later type Rs and SIs, Acuras like the RL and TSX, all the 90/00s GT cars like the viper ACRs, c5/c6 vettes, flying lizard Porsches, and also the LMP cars from that era! I guess since they’re now dated cars that explains why they’re gone… but it would be cool to see “vintage” racing series as a part of the story progression
The description of the AI sounds exactly like Horizon 5 to me. Go all out and pass as many as you can in bunches in the first lap and get in range of leaders. All those you pass get stuck behind you and never threaten to overtake no matter how mediocre you drive, and if you fail to get within sneezing range of the leaders, they just take off and and gone with no hope of ever catching them no matter how good you drive.
Bit out of context, but the clip at 9:15 is very jarring going straight on at the end of the Laguna Seca front straight, didn't know that was a track configuration. Google maps says it doesn't exist so I was very confused.
Yeah iirc its only a "fictional" layout these days, I don't think the actual track has used that section in like 20+ years
Could you do a wheel settings video for this game?
WTF is that window wiper doing on the mercedes 🤣 6:51
Wipey is trying his best ok
Can you make a video showing your ffb settings?
Please
@@ABRacing_agreed, please.
You say exactly what i think in all areas. It is a perfect balance between all the Sims and despite the great physics also beginners friendly.
I like it and in a few months ... 💥 Best
Great video Hoki!
I would love to see a Gran Turismo 7 vs Forza Motorsport comparison video (mainly the gameplay systems and progression/online modes) as i have a ps5 and a gaming PC, and torn between the two titles (noob to racing games).
This is an excellent and fair analysis, it does have huge potential if they're committed to iterative improvement and additions as the base gameplay is welcoming to both pad and wheel players. I normally drive ACC, Automobilista 2, and iRacing but those titles honestly don't have much substance outside of challenging yourself in terms of laptimes... or online competition of course. I wanted a title I could just dip in and enjoy without buying a PS5 for GT7, and so far I'm liking how it plays.
Then why don’t you stick with the games you mentioned? This game is a god damn joke and a half.
@@brawler5760 I'm certainly going to keep sim racing, I just wanted a title with more arcade/fun features that could still be played with a wheel. The handling & FFB is surprisingly good in Forza, but I agree there are many bugs to fix and features to refine right now.
they've been so lazy with the cars ...
no LMH LMdH, no recent european hot hatches, a lot of duplicates, some "old" and bad cars that are there since Forza 3/4/5 ( for example the Peugeot 308 GTI from 2008, no one wants to drive, that, however, the 2013 version is one of the best hot hatch from the last 10 years ) , some that are badly modeled and still show the same mistakes
Hey this was a great video! Thank you for objectively sharing your thoughts and not just being negative the entire time like so many people like to do. I know you only like to play in interior camera but as a viewer, I think it would be nice if you would also show at least some 3rd person footage for those of us that prefer to play that way and also just so that we can appreciate the car models. Just a thought 😊
Can you see that back seats if you look back in cockpit mode?
6:51 But look here that can not be noticeable that the rain is not cleared away from the wipers....That the rain physiks are good, I believe you, but you have not noticed?
The whole featured multiplayer races and community races stuff is super sick and I’ve actually gotten into the car upgrading system having not been to excited about the changes at first. That being said, the default wheel physics are ass and I still haven’t perfected my wheel yet having played since the midnight release
So, the "It Just Works - Ray Tracing" isn't working...
Nice to see I am not the only one playing on a 32:9 monitor :)
When you compared the game to AC, ACC and iR, I wished you could make a comparison to Automobilista 2. After 1.5, the handling is absolutely top notch, it works great in VR and there's a third party online platform for it called Racecraft Online which has a very neatly crafted schedule of races, a license system to progress through, and also utilizes AMS2's ability to enable AI in online races, which means you can race against AI if there's less than 4 players registered for the race, allowing the use of the platform at any time regardless of population, making it a singleplayer-multiplayer coherent hybrid.
Of course at the moment you're likely going to be focused on FM, and rightfully so, but I think AMS2 is worth checking out at some point.
so if i have a wheel i should just wait a few weeks for people to get the settings done properly? anyone using csl dd on it, how is it?
How is the co-op? Can I race against AI with my friends in a private session or is it still just players only on private matches?
Nice. See you on the track.
I'm surprised how good this game actually looks. Even on my series S, in fidelity, looks insanely good!
Can you share your wheel settings
Can’t wait to play been waiting for this one 🔥🔥🔥🔥. ACC on break for now 😬
I've got the game on Gamepass and when I started it I wasn't that excited because of the CARPG system and I didn't expect much from the FFB and the multilayer. I,very been positively surprised by both. The FFB on my CSL DD, ince dialed in, feels really good and I've been able to drive cars consistently with it and the multiplayer system looks like it's perfect for me. I've been racing for years on ACC and I was getting tired by the amount of effort needed for every race in that game. It often took 2-3 hours for every race I participated in. In FM I can practice, qualify and race in under 20 minutes. And as said in the video there's a lot of variety and there are always races to join. I've been able to get S Rank on Safety so hopefully I get matched with other safe drivers.
I expected just another FM7 with a different career mode and a worse upgrade system that would only play decently with a controller but It looks like I've found a competitive but quick and simple multiplayer racing game that plays very nicely with a wheel.
Don't really care about the career mode now, and If I want to upgrade and test cars I'll stick to Horizon which has got a lot more variety in cars and biomes where rally, offroad or weird builds makes a lot more sense than Motorsport,
Can't wait to play more of Forza Motorsport and I'm really looking forward to the upcoming updates and new content.
Mixed feeling, handling was something I'm so afraid of because I don't like how wheel behave on FM7, turns out it's good. But the graphic, something they mention many times as the best in class, somehow feels meh.
I feel that the graphical inconsistency will be patched out soon considering they have a ton of updates planned out.
@@aono335 I do hope so, game looks promising, potential to be a great online platform
best in class is definitely a lie considering Gran Turismo 7 exists and is to date the best looking track racing game, not counting modded PC sims.
@@ItsEphora crazy how they mention about the paint reflection on one of those developers direct video, and seeing how it is on early access. Even the rain on the windscreen is no where near AC with CSP.
@@ItsEphoraGTs rendering and materials are crap by comparison. I honestly can't think of any particular aspect of GTs visual presentation that is higher quality than any aspect of Forza's.
To be fair, a lot of the criticism, can be paralleled to Forza Motorsport 5 which was a new generation launch title. For example, FM5 launched with 17 tracks, and and 200 cars and FM2023, does have a similar, though not as drastic downgrade in content from FM7 when compared to FM5 from FM4. From 5 to 6 and especially 7 the overall quality improved with each entry, aside microtransactions and some other gimmicks. For example, FM5 had static time of day, or any weather effects if I'm not mistaken. FM6 added night and rain, as well as adding puddles to track surfaces which that could hydroplane your car which as big at the time, though it was all baked in/static. FM7 added dynamic weather, which meant dynamic track conditions in which puddles would be introduced if it rained. Finally, FM8 we get full dynamic time of day and weather with big changes to lighting and coupled with the new car and tire physics, I'd say is pretty substantial. I think between this game and the next game it there will definitely be improvements in regards to things like divisions. I really want them to add qualifiers to races. I still feel Turn10 is afraid to further embrace the "sim" aspect, instead focusing on authenticity and despite the increase in popularity of sim racers over the last generation, I think the new FM introduces enough, whilst maintaining itself as the more approachable racing game. I still think F1 is top tier in terms of simulated motorsport simply because its focused on the dynamics of Formula 1 which Codemasters can dial to a T but in time FM8 will more than likely surpass 7 in the ways that FM5 unfortunately did not surpass FM4
Are you going to post your wheel settings?
No smoke in mirrors and can’t look around in first person (in car) i will never let that go
CP system meeeeh I dunno yet and a I are faster but then you push hard over take the first leader then he slows down lol, visually looks ok but I dunno 7 looked different or better I dunno need to check (series X performance RT) handling feels ok on sim steering on a pad, music is ok in menu, I think there plenty of improvement but maybe I expected more out of it. I’ll see how I go and what updates we get. Haven’t seen a M Rossi name yet 😢
I really hope my wheel works easily on this one 😞
The thing that gets me excited to try this game out is the fact it sounds like it has a solid base. FM7 was hot garbage at launch, especially in the features department, so it’s great to hear this game only needs a few minor tweaks and extra content to go from good to great. Hopefully as cars/tracks and system tweaks (CARPG for tuning) with new options that the community wants it can become the best game in its genre.
It's the exact same thing they did with Forza Horizon 5, They heavily focused on the console version and it runs/looks good, However the PC version has a lot of graphical issues and bugs and the shadows/lighting is terrible. That's why majority of Forza UA-camrs mainly stream/play on the series X version of the game.
Can't wait to try in in 5 days.
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Does the graphics improve any with raytracing on?
Can you play coop with a friend, also against ai in private multiplayer? This was a disappointingly omitted feature in FM7. So weird how you could play against bots in a private match by yourself but as soon as a friend would join, suddenly ai aren’t allowed anymore.
Would be strange to omit such a thing again, especially because Horizon has had that feature for the past two titles.
Hmm I’m definitely looking forward to this, especially getting back to racing on my rig.
I have to say though a noticeable dip in lighting fidelity, cars, tracks and a less comprehensive rain physics than previous generations of the game isn’t really acceptable.
I guess I’m just getting really tired of the recipe we’ve all become used to in this generation of games (overhype a game, sell it half cocked for £60/70 then gradually bring it up to standard over time, while finding clever ways to monetise returning content, features and polish).
Fanatec DD Pro feels horrible, I need Setup Guide please.
Do you have to change your wheel settings for different cars