Forza Motorsport is a DISASTER...
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
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The long awaited arrival of the brand new Forza Motorsport game has fallen below the average fan's expectations, as of the release of the premium edition on October 5th, the list of 'Known Issues' released by Turn 10, might be the new longest piece of literature on the internet... but really... how bad can it be?
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One funny thing about the AI at the highest difficulty is that once you actually overtake them, they just give up - they forget how to drive and end up crashing/or taking unusual lines to lose time so it makes the overtake feel way less satisfying/rewarding.
The worst part is, having played the crap out of FH4, I can assure you the AI is similar. Same with 5, but to a bigger degree. They somehow managed to make their AI even worse than before not once, but twice
Yep that's what I was seeing 😂
"He is intimidating me" - the AI, probably.
That's how it's been since FH4. Either you overtake in the first minute of the race or you can't catch up to them ever.
@@sinaalami4148 I knew I wasn't hallucinating lol
When your school project is due in 6 years, but you rush it all the night before anyway. That's Forza Motorsport.
Golden comment
More like "FORZA CHOKERSPORT".
This sounds dumb
the opposite of procrastinating
We are blessed by your presence. Godspeed
Imagine making a AAA game bad enough to make shinyodd return.
XD
Forza only made 1-2 good games. The rest were forced and unnecessary.
b-b-b-but.... its built from the ground up how could it be bad 😱
@@vika0194Finding 20% of the franchise good according to you make me wonder if you’re really a Forza fan.
@HammySigvard he is, but he also ain't wrong. What Forza games are really worth spending time playing? FM4, maybe FM5/6, FH1, FH2, FH3. Can't say anything else besides those tbh.
How to fix a game: don’t buy it, the bottom line to these companies is ALL that matters.
Si funcionó en gt7, puede este remediarlo
Why would anyone buy Forza when it's available for pretty much free using game pass? I buy 1 month game pass codes for around $2 a pop from key sellers.
lol that's why they're releasing these games on game pass, just so they can brag about the total amount of people that played the game. I'm sure these games aren't even able to turn a profit
All we can do is to vote with our wallets and don’t buy it fr
NBA LIVE also.
A lot of devs can't tell the difference between useless time sinks and progression. We should spend time on the game because we want to, not because we have to.
Well said. I am tired of game devs not respecting the limited time I have to play video games, it's become common with any live services title.
@@jjay350 no one is pointing a gun to your head. If you don't want to spend the time playing games just, i dunno........don't.
@@jonnie2bad
Well. Let's hope the sales during FM2023's launch speaks for itself, then.
Hey thought forzathon was a good idea and forced seasons in horizon
I havent even got to experience the crappy progression system because it runs so bad on my Intel/Nvidia desktop. I have an all AMD laptop that Im going to try on but dang Im disappointed and I didn't even buy it. I grew up with forza series and really want to play it.
ah yes, developers consistently publishing unfinished and untested games like it's a contest 😌 love it 🥰
All of this for $70 while you could get a decently working used Xbox 360 with all the cables/controller for $50 and Forza Motorsport 4 for around $10 - $20. I got my 360 for $20 from a goodwill auction, FM4 for around $15 and a Logitech Drive FX wheel for $35 off of ebay for the rest and having a blast!
I'm doing this shit is out of spite.
It's the publishers fault, developers aren't responsible for impossible deadlines, pay to win bs and other such things
@@FoXy-gr2hbSure, sure, ofc it couldn't be a laziness and incompetence of people working on the title.
Execs and producers: "Put all focus on the transaction page"
I do hate how badly and how much smoke devs get whenever a game is released that is bad due to their producers hindering them every step of the way.
And idiots buying them. Good ol' cycle.
I really am sick and tired of big game devs that have insane budgets just releasing absolute shite.
It’s cuz Dan Greenawalt isn’t the developer anymore. EVERY single Forza game since 2005 has been with Dan Greenawalt since the beginning and this is the first crappy Forza to come out without Tag in multiplayer and lots of other things.
People keep buying it. If there wasn't any money in it, it wouldn't keep happening.
@@CrispyGFXtbf forza games haven’t really been now until this one, most others have been decent-great. At least Horizons
been bad*
stop buying them then
It still pisses me off how this game won racing game of the year
i cant fucking believe hot wheels lost over this pile of ass
The Crew Motorfest got robbed of that award
@@DerpOKat21motor fest is shit too
@@CrazyPanda688not as bad as this in any way
As much as I love witcher 3, it shows that game awards are more bs than Oscars
Gran Turismo Sport: "We're gonna anger our fanbase by taking steps backwards"
Forza Motorsport: "Hold my beer."
Kasumi Nakasu while playing FM2023: MEIN GOTT MUS DAS SEIN DESU?!
at least GT7 improved despite its GT sport engine
The thing is GTsport wasn't meant to be gt7, it also had a better single player then gt7
@@pjisleta1994 Improved what exactly? The multiplayer is nearly identical to sport and the single player is worse. I guess if you like RNG/gatcha they added raffle tickets...?
@@QuattroSG I agree with you but at least the driving itself in GT7 is good. The rest of the game is pretty bad though
My only positive for this game is steam honoring the return policy.
@@ddrod"Microwoke" bro what 😭😭😭
@@ddrod the thing is, yall talking shit on a game you dont even need to buy...
i played the previous motor sport game for years. never paid for it.
didtn pay for starfield. FH4, FH5, motorspots, PGA tour, ...
its actually impossible for gamepass to not be worth it if you actually play video games.
as long as you keep 3 games in your rotation.
i get over 2000 dollars worth of value in a year for abotu 120 dollars.
@@dbspaceoditty consoooooooooom
@@dbspaceodittyyeah but some people did buy it and are pretty outraged
@@almightysamwhich4203 why, would you buy a game before it comes out?
fucking wild concept. its not like its 2005 and there is only a certain number of physical disks available.
we were promised community-building features and yet...no clubs like the old days, no searchable lobbies, and no creative hubs whatsoever, wtf is T10 doing? features like this made the community thrive in FM4's time.
They are doing the exact same as Playground, killing the franchise with a shit game. 🤷♂️
Does anybody knows what TF happened after FM4 ? We all know it was the perfect iteration of the game. All they had to do was to build upon that base into next gen.
its a live service game. stop crying
@@Christoph22KakaFan L take
@@Matts_Mind 🥱
This review is SPOT. FUCKING. ON. This is like my inner thoughts turned into an video. I just said to my friends 2 days ago "this game has a 9/10 potential, but it was released in a 4/10 state"
Thank God Gran Turismo 7 is pretty good. Forza looks like any other forza.
I am so happy I quit racing games before the microtransaction sh*tshow that is modern racing games. Gran Turismo V was my last modern racing game. And honestly, it has more cars baseline than this entire game does.
@@chickendinner5572gt7 sucks lmao
4/10 is too high. This game is a shitshow.
@@goldenhate6649 You can still play the game and ignore microtransactions, you're just looking for the most ridiculous excuses to not play racing games, you could just say you're bored or something
Imagine developing a game for over half a decade, with said game intended to be a reboot of a franchise, and it ends up being worse than the worst games in the franchise before the reboot. Real shame. Also, welcome back again Shiny! (in video form at least)
I call that "pulling a Saints Row"
ah yes, the DmC Devil May Cry strategy to success
It feels like Mortal Kombat 11 to 1 all over again.
@@brancolt_ DMC was still a good game to be fair.
DmC is still better than DMC2@@brancolt_
6 years. We’ve waited for a new Forza motorsport game for 6 years. And it looks like this 😂
The graphics are good but it’s some stuff that made Forza good in the past that’s lacking in the new one.
@@cameronb3834there lies the issue with you people these days it's all about graphics not about if the games ACTUALLY FUCKIN WORK
@@chrismusiclover9893 not everything is about graphics to me and I’m not like other people. There’s many other things the new Forza is lacking to what it once had.
They could've worked on the game for 60 years and it would still be crap.
They're just not a good dev team.
@@chrismusiclover9893same goes to NHL 15. Only focused on graphics while removing 120. Yes. 120. GAME FEATURES FROM ALL THE OLDER NHL TITLES!
The fact the restart and skip options are in the 'exit' submenus is a clear example that the people making the game lack fundamental understanding of how any game should work, and the standards and practices developed not just for the entire industry over the past 30 years, but for their own specific franchise have just been lost to time.
It's horrible UX, and the UI is just kinda "meh" too.
Let me introduce you to the wonderful word used to describe this: "Soy-devving"
FH5 was just as bad. This appears to be the same team.
Diversity hires
@@eleven99 the fuck does awful UX have to do with soy?
The whole video game industry is a disaster nowadays
that's whole modern AAA games industry in nutshell. Indie still doing great
The problem is retards keep buying, so the companies are happy to just give the money to their shareholders instead of actually putting time into the games
On Xbox!
It is but the racing games genre is something special ohhh boy is it a giant clusterf*ck of a show.
Any gane that was enjoyable and not just mediocre good was sent to the shadow real or its successor have completely ruined its legacy, Driveclub is an example of that a game that was ahed of others and surprisingly get this get this..........people enjoyed playing it.
They’re making more money than ever and putting out absolute garbage. At some point you’ve got to blame consumers. Most gamers are addicts and will pay to play anything, no matter how much they’re warned that the game is garbage.
Finally someone who’s invested in the series and knows what they are talking about gives it a fair critique. All points are absolutely true and valid, it’s a baffling and incredibly disappointing game. I’ve played every Forza game at launch, except for 5, and this is easily the biggest let down in the entire franchise.
FM8 lost 355 important game features.
@@purwantiallan5089 does that include the 30+ tracks that have also been forgotten?
You’re telling me you have seen these glitches on your play through of the game? How come out of all the videos I’ve seen of this game NOT ONE has show any glitches? This guy is lying and for what? It’s disgraceful!
@@nolangeorge9374 get your eyes tested. The render distance alone, is appalling.
@@nolangeorge9374 bro you can literally download it if you have xbox gamepass for 10 bucks. I'll even give you a free trial gamepass if you reply so you can see how garbage this game is. 10700 3080 and it looks "meh" and has tons of graphical glitches. Also the AI is terrible and will make you want to quit after the first race if you have played a decent racing game in your life. They need to patch it. I miss NFS shift 2 even with it's faults.
i remember when forza vs gran turismo used to mean they were competing to be better than each other, now it seems they’re at odds to see who can make a shittier excuse for a main series racing title
You can thank live services for that.
At least GT was playable at launch, but this is their second attempt at live service
Gt was the oposite to this, it was a very polished game , it was neat but it lacked q lot of content, this one is more on the clusterfuck side but it has a lot of content
They never were in the same league…
@@jesusserrano8769 i'd argue motorsport is mostly artificial content inflation mostly bcs of the caRPG
I'm convinced AAA devs nowadays never played the past titles of the one they're working on.
They always want to start from scratch and introduce new things but seem to always miss because they removed what made past titles great...
well considering this is a "reboot" of the franchise and how poor FM7 was for majority of people that wanted a motorsport game to be sim and not arcade (if you want arcade go play forza horizon) they had to build from the ground up which is why we dont have any tracks we had in other motorsports yet because they are still working on updating them to the new games handling model and updating track layouts to better represent the irl track.
And the most confusing part about all of this is that this Forza Motorsport has the *same* director who has been here since Forza 1. He's the same guy behind Forza Motorsport 2,3, and 4, which are seen as the best games in the franchise
And yet he managed to mess up this game
@@falcongamer58at least I own all of those.
The fact the restart and skip options are in the 'exit' submenus is a clear example that the people making the game lack fundamental understanding of how any game should work, and the standards and practices developed not just for the entire industry over the past 30 years, but for their own specific franchise have just been lost to time.
They probably haven't played this one either.
And despite having ALL OF THESE BUGS, it literally won as the "Best Racing Game" at the Game Awards 2023. 💀
yep, its forza.
It somehow beat the new rally game that came out which is 100000 times better than this garbage 😂
Bruh,Motorfest and GT7 are way better than this broken absolute bullsh*t of a game
@@chanhkhiemtran9010 then why did it take the best racing game of the year?
@@joaoarmandowiteck760cause the game awards are a joke 😂now calm down fanboy
Halo Infinite and Forza Motorsport have some things in common:
-Built from the ground up
-6 years of development +delays
--Washed out visuals
-Lacking features and content at launch
-No split screen
-Broken functionalities
-"platform for the next 10 years"
it hurts how accurate this is; especially bc i was looking forward to both the games 😢
I hate how true this is.
thi games cant compare with Motorfest now lol
@@DepresjaToFikcjathe next Horizon still might but I don’t wanna have my hopes up lol
N-no split screen?
6 years to recycle even fh1 models, this is the true triple A experience we expected from turn10. No wonder why they have been killing the series after releasing fh3
And those FH1 models were recycled from FM4 and FM3 and FM2. The longer you think about it, the more depressing it gets.
From the ground up!!
Ya I truly stopped playing forza after FM3. FM2 and FM3 will always be my favs. The new Forza is honestly even worse than FM7 with only 500 vehicles and the multiplayer just sucks compared to FM7 I miss the Tag Virus mode.
@@cameronb3834don't smack talk forza
And no, they weren't "killing" the series...
Thanks for confirming what I suspected. I can't believe that almost a decade of development and it's as unfinished and broken as it is. Unbelievable. Turn 10 has become a scummy company run by people who don't even know the basic fundamentals of a video game
Forza Hater
@@timmyrandomvideos4375 brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt hater
@@timmyrandomvideos4375 the entire triple-A gaming industry is like this. Cyberpunk 2077, Forza Motorsport, Kerbal Space Program 2, Apex Legends, Overwatch 2, basically everything except for indie games are half finished abysmal messes.
@@3verstorm cyberpunk redeemed itself after 3 years
@@immortal6004 but they lost SOOOOO much market share in the process. There are probably thousands of people who will never touch the game because they remember it as the game that "was supposed to be good, but was terrible". I know I'll never buy it.
How did this even win in "Innovation and Accessibility" category in 2023 GOTY?
Forget that. It also won in "Best Racing Game"
This is why pre-order early access doesn't make sense anymore. You are basically paying to be the first to experience these bugs.
they never did really dawg
@@satorumayokohama113310 years ago maybe lol
@@lynpendry ironically, it wasn't a thing 10 years ago, at least not nearly as common as it is now.
"but if I'm not preordering, I might gonna be the last in the leaderboards"
~modern game consoomers, probably
@@lynpendrydont know which games you played but back then it also made no sense. You'd just go into the store after release and chances were that they had the preorder editions left over
Worst part is
The “critics” are all raving about it online
So good luck with turn 10 listening to our cries of agony
It was the same deal with GT7.
I ended up getting the top version based on all the reviews. Granted, I didn't spend my own money (someone paid me $500 for a stupid TF2 hat), but still. That $100 could've gotten me a lot of games during a big Steam sale.
@@towermoss I did the same, but pulled it out of my own hard earned money. Super disappointed
They won't, like they didn't on FM7. At the same time, PG games puts crazy amounts of content on FH5, which explains why Horizon is soo ahead of Motorsport with the public satisfaction and fame.
@@jjay350except gt7 was way better at launch than forza 8.
Gt7>>>>>>>
This game sometimes looks like installing an unfinished asseto corsa car mod from the workshop (especially in cockpit view) 💀
It really does feel like a bunch of AC mods made by different people all clashing in 1 place lol
That's because Turn 10 has been actually contracting people outside of studio to make car models for them. This is the reason for inconsistency.@@Shinyodd
@@Vermilleno that's pretty much standard, Polyphany has been doing this for years.
@@CJW0056 sure, but you really can't argue the fact that polyphony has a higher quality and consistency in their car assets, so the fact that it's contracted is irrelevant.
This what happens when you "reboot" a franchise. Id gives them the excuse to fuck everything up for no reason and claim "its a re imagining".
My personal peeve is how they shafted the SCV12 engine. In real life, it is the loudest thing in existence!
I wonder why they didn't just port the sound from FH5
@@falcongamer58 That would require effort.
@@still_gunsTo be fair the ported multiple models from older games
@@toxicmuggle5788 A few of them are from the original Motorsport in 2005
@@still_gunsmore effort to create new sound
Fh5 fans can finally breathe a sigh of relief knowing its no longer the most hated game
Way to make Playground Games look more like Nintendo, Turn 10!
Sadly and happily, yes.
Sad to see the game that has been worked on longer than FH5 Itself be such a let down, missing many features that have been worked on in both Motorsport and Horizon not being used, bugs and glitches almost if not everywhere, graphics and sounds being horrible, and the upgrade system being horrible.
FH5 has a Tsuru, it's now peak gaming.
I am fan of GT7 and enjoying it, just maybe Forza will get better over the next year smh.
Was FH5 the one in Mexico that let people design their characters to be such bad drivers that they were made of more prosthetic parts than organic tissue?
I'm still astonished that this game has been in development for so long yet feels like a rush job, I didn't really look into anything about this game (just been happily playing FH5 and Gran Turismo) but I am genuinely amazed at how buggy and unfinished this looks. I feel bad for people who put down 90 pounds just to end up with this mess!
Isnt this just a beta?
@@smolltaco5667 It is the pre-release for the people that pre orderd the game. Still, I am happy I did not pre order the game. It is a mess...
I don't understand how they can release sims on the PC that don't have VR. I don't get it. Why even bother? VR and driving just goes together like PB+jelly.
Also, you just know this is like every other simcade where every car is the same understeering bore to drive. Ac, ACC, AMS2. iracing forever, simcades never. There's just no need for these shittily driving games. There's too much great driving content as is. Who cares about RPG elements in racing anyways, that's dumb af
Developers often lie about "development " time as a marketing tool. They might start planning for the game a long time prior to the release, and use that as a reference point for development time. Most of the time, full manpower is not set in until the last year prior to release or, just like so many other things in the coorporate word, development time is more or less a lie.
Magnachem guy.
6 months later and i honestly cant find a single improvement. its still lags, it still has plenty of rendering issues, loading screens can still softlock the game, i spent more time in the loading screen than i did in a race at nürburgring.
When the world needed him the most. He returned
And when he did, he didn't just make a video, he made a proper statement
He takes too long to upload videos to UA-cam.
@@TheBlueWanderer2000 but when he did, he spits facts and fire
gru 😮
He's basically saying what I wanted to say.
Unfinished games are the new business model for the industry. They must have reach the conclusion that somehow they earn more money this way
good way to extend the product lifecycle, oooh they'll fix it in the next patch
Cure a patient and you lose the customer mindset 😒
Damn sellouts made everything go to 💩
Well it does, look at cp2077 or nms. It doesnt matter if the games they released were dog shit. Bc after 3-5 years and tons of patches people become fkn idiots and forget everything, heck they even praise them for delivering what should have been delivered 3 YEARS AGO.
So ye they face no consequences, as they get the bag and then throughout years they’ll patch it and everyone will forget. Rinse and repeat
@@mr.darknight416Exactly that is why anyone try to defend CD Projekt Red's Cyberbug 2077 with me they can eat a penis, This bs business practice with developers and publishers need to end at the buck.
@@mr.darknight416can you make a game?
Its insane they have drift suspension without drift tires, but also drag tires with no use for them as well. It almost seems intentional, like it was out of spite or something. Its quite difficult to be incompetent in such a specific and ironic way.
this games physics engine is still garbage as hell so it aint a loss for the drift tires
@@satorumayokohama1133actually the driving physics are quite good. Ok, not ACC good obviously, but also, not worse than GT7 (in my opinion better)
Subjective really the games made for a controller @@MarcoVeraccio
@@satorumayokohama1133 so is Forza Horizon series and those are a joke physics wise.
My guess is the drag racing and drifting events will be coming at, or soon after the full launch. Why its not here now when the tires/suspension is i cant answer. But on the plus side they said all future tracks are going to be free, and ive seen no system that could be leading into microtransactions so far.
That being said, it looks like the main thing the $30 premium upgrade gets you is the car pass and vip thing. All other future content being free. If thats going to be the case, then thats a plus at least.
Coming back to see this after this somehow won an award.
The Crew Motorfest was robbed.....
That or EA Sports WRC
You thought this was bad. Ever heard of Flatout 3
@@dyaanahmad5079 Ohhhh, I have! Trust me~
The game's bascially a shell of what was promised and what it should've been: A new game from the ground up, not a re-badged early access title.
It makes me sad how games are being pushed out so unfinished, that one gets 2nd hand embarrasment while playing sometimes.
Edit: I'm not hating on the devs, it's (mostly) always the management :/
Cyberpunk 2
Bro nowadays games are very advanced and much more complex than before, like Cyberpunk they had to launch the game so they fix it's issues faster by getting more data with users using it than only Team 10 employees accessing it...... That's how next gen games are like, if you use existing game and improve on it of course it's less costly + less problems + less time + more polished from start..... But Team 10 want a totally new era for Forza Motorsport here
expect the same to happen to call of suty in the future
@@TRX25EXno, don't defend bad practices, and especially do not buy their "games are too complex for us" lie
They're absolute fools. Good leadership and teamwork can give excellent games at launch, it was the norm since the 90s until the early 2010s
@@falcongamer58 I worked as a beta tester for MSFS 2020 game and people like you don't understand how much work is being put here by developers, they literally said we have around 300-400 employees working full time daily 6 days a week 9 hours a day and some even at home working....... And they said even with that it will take over a 2 decades to bring a game problems free...
Having 300-400 users testing it is different than a freaking Hundreds of thousands if not millions are reporting it's issues..... The target is to bring a game to 7-8/10 sort of rating and make it a 10/10 game over time and this exactly what happened with many other games out there......
This is why I don't trust mainstream reviews when it comes to racing games. They praise the graphics and cars and controls and that's it. Without actually going in depth about the game.
It was the same deal when GT7 launched, they wouldn't touch any of the glaring issues.
wheel implementation is a joke on this
Mainstream outlets don't know anything about racing games. I mean, remember FH5's launch and all those 10/10's that were being given 💀
I always avoid mainstream reviews now-a-days and always have to decide if I am going to spend money on something that is worth it to me or not.
This shit is $70 and I am baffled that it's been 6 years already since the last FM game with FM7 that wasn't even that good compared to the previous entries of the franchise. For $70 now you could just get a 360, controllers/cheep 360 wheel, and a copy of FM4 off of ebay and have a better racing experience and overall video game experience than most racing games on the market right now. New racing games to me are *Boring. As. Fuck.*
Majority of reviewers have very little clues about racing games, let alone sims.
Did you know that 2 of the meta cars are locked behind a paywall?
The 2018 Audi R8 LMS is the meta in GT3
The 2018 VW Golf GTi is the meta in TCR
The game has P2W cars at launch 💀
I have the Golf, and you’re absolutely spot on. I used the Civic in the first TCR race and was met with a lobby of 20 other people using the Golf.
Ended up using the Golf and it’s on rails. It’s a shame that it’s a P2W car, although I’m guilty of using it, it shouldn’t be that way.
@@jamiewright9767 bet i could set the civic up so it competes but i gotta wait till the 10th
same as in horizon 5
@@raptorjeezus2607 I nabbed a 7th in the Civic but purely through everyone wrecking each other (classic Forza).
There’s definitely a lot of merit in learning setups as I think non-meta cars could be really competitive, but for most people they’re not going to bother, so cars like the Golf and the R8 LMS are just going to be commonplace in the regular lobbies.
@@jamiewright9767 I’m just assuming the same stuff still holds true I do in assetto to setup up that car. Rear toe out, front toe in, brake bias quite far rear
I deleted this game recently.
I have no regrets.
Also, I can't wait to play FM4 when I get it on Christmas this year
Playing old GOATS, so based
Just completed FM4 recently. Better than this garbage and I'm thinking about getting FM3
@@joshuaquinones9760fm4 is brilliant, fm3 is as good if not slightly better. both have stellar soundtracks and graphics
I also love how turn10 spent the entire promotion of this game focusing on the rendering. Look how beautiful it looks! Look at the beautiful rendering! “How’s the gameplay?” Absolute dog shit but the rendering is amazing!
Funny thing is most racing sims look great these days.
@@jjay350exactly, good visuals or "graphics" is not a freaking selling point anymore, this isn't 2010, the game better look good if you want to sell. This is the equivalent of a phone manufacturer advertising 4G😱 on the box like, would I buy a phone that isn't 4g at the very least? It's the bare minimum ffs😑
the saddest thing is that rendering turned out to be bogus anyway. The ray traced effects they made big noise about are barely worth turning on for how limited the distance they draw at is.
@@jjay350 Racing games looks amazing these days but the realistic graphics now is so fucking boring that I really miss the 90's and 2000's racing game art style and flair put into them. Choro Q (Or Road Trip Adventures 1/2), Enthusia Professional Racing and Auto-modellista for the PS2 have stylish graphics, unique Locations, interesting and funky OST and plays really different from one another that I really adore and find it to be fascinating to discover these old racing games that some you need a compatible racing wheel (Holding on my DFGT to play older racing games) to even play like Enthusia and it feels fantastic with a DFGT! That's why most people who still give a fuck about the dedicated part for racing games are upset that the era for creativity and making a video game, a video game to just being all about graphics and physics ONLY without the personality that the games I listed makes it all the more desire to have something that is just stand out from the rest.
No, NFS Unbound half-assed-ness doesn't count with the cel-shaded player models mixed with realistic graphics that looks really off and makes it a glorified fan mod. And a ton of pacing and quality of life problems that game have as well for the single player which I only played for 16 hours before I uninstall that piece of shit game and played heat more lmfao. $75 down the fucking drain!
And even then the game looks like dogshit with washed out graphics. They couldnt even get that right. The games optimization is dog shit
truly one of the games of all times
Just so you know the Subie remodel was meant for FM7 but they forgot to introduce it so they're giving it to FM. Hence the hazy headlights cuz in those days the cars didnt have fully see through headlights.
They forgot, huh? 😂
And this is why I am cautious when watching reviews from companies like IGN because this isn’t the first time that they did not mention bugs, issues, and other complaints present in games that come out. Thank you for posting this video to give us the heads up and save us from being deceived. You’ve earned a sub! Also I love the fact that you used the pokemon soundtrack in your video’s background at one point haha
IGN and the like have been lying in their reviews for a very very long time now, easily 10+ years. You shouldn't use their website at all honestly, it's trash.
Also, Forza has a toxic fan base, so they always try to justify the really bad things the game has. At least for PC, is the worst racing game you can buy new.
@@FacuGonz3 yeah that’s true but that’s also the case for any fan base of any game that will fight to defend garbage being released by companies. They act as if those companies are paying these people to be so defensive when the negatives about games are being called out lol it just doesn’t make any sense to me to be in denial about it and pretend like they deserve our money when they lack the quality and entertainment needed to justify the purchase.
I mean, if IGN has a review, its probably wrong anyway.
A lot of those companies are paid off to make good reviews. You have to be careful and collect a healthy amount of data before drawing your own conclusions.
I'm starting to wonder what they were actually doing while the game was in development because this looks like a very pre-alpha build😂
Welcome to modern game company
A lot of coffee brakes and team building activities.
Are you really suprised?
This is happening with every single modern AAA Game. They are all like release now, fix later
That is why I am not pre ordering any games anymore
Drinking booze and smoking the magic leaf.
They were incredibly dishonest when they showcased the advanced ray tracing and track assets and car models in that 2022 demo, but what we've got instead is a watered down downgraded version. Just go watch it. They don't even push the visuals on PC reasonably above Xbox Series X's graphics.
Even the Series X graphics can look a little underwhelming at times. I have my graphics settings on Performance RT, and notice that on about 2 of the maps lose FPS. I know that it’s the Ray Tracing setting, but it’s *performance* ray tracing. On a console that outperforms most mid range PCs in most games (looking at you MWII). I would say that the issues are because it just got released, but if it’s been in development for almost 10 years then there’s no excuse to have these glitches. I’ve never experienced them myself other than the FPS issue, but if there are known issues that are longer than your average CVS receipt, then this game should not have come out. It’s just down right not acceptable. Even studios like Insomniac know this and have a 60 FPS Ray Tracing option for Spider-Man 2, and they’re not as big as Turn 10. Bigger companies and studios need to realize that we prioritize good gameplay over graphics. While good graphics are nice, they should replace good gameplay. This is exactly why the Batman Return to Arkham games are still great 😂
Way downgraded. Only the trailer that made me hyped.
Do you link for the reveal??
Dont use DLSS. Use resolution scale to 175 or 200% and its crystal clear
0:57 Bro why are you recording them reproducing? That's not the games fault, that's a you issue. Sure they could've gotten a room, but they're just cars, not people. Smh
Good vid tho, I kinda want a racing game, sounds like Forza 4 or 5 (idk which is better in terms of features/content/etc) is still the one I should get. It's so weird though, I saw Forza 4 and 5 gameplay from RTGame, and that shit looked so good, how the fuck did they manage to fuck up the next entry so bad?
So sad to see what Forza has become. I have very great, if not some of the best gaming memories playing the first games on my Xbox 360 back in the days after the NFS series started to flop.
I've had it since the first one on xbox and still have every game
forza 2 was the best of course. ignorant of me really to think this would come close to it. it could if it tired.
I think NFS All started to flop either at 2015 or Payback
Forza Motorsport isn’t that bad either…sure it has its flaws(MANY MANY MANY ANNOYING FLAWS) but other than that it’s a DECENT game
@@killerbeau95 Forza series peaked at 3 and maybe 4 for some but definitely 3. Forza 3 was the game that sold Xbox consoles back in the day. It was the Gran Turismo 3 and 4 when those launched on PlayStation 2 and they were amazing. The downfall all started since Forza 5 on the Failbox One. That set a terrible precedent for the series. You all have to remember that this is NOT the first time the Forza series has seen a reboot - it was rebooted with 5!!
Instead of listening to no name youtubers/ sony trolls try the game. its free on gamepass and it is the best Forza Motorsport game to date.
"Why make sequels if there are more similarities than differences?" is still a very asked question in late 2023, I thought newer sequels would be the opposite of that???
because people will buy it anyways
Who knows, but its working wonders for COD
Holy shit, the fact they actually gave this the green light to be released is astonishing to me. Microsoft needs to pull this game and give a refund to everyone till its ready, that way they're held responsible for thinking it was alright to sell it like this. Cause its only going to hurt microsoft themselves but also kids that begged their parents to buy them this game and get screwed out of say either $70 or $100.
I played it for free with game pass
I dont understand how people are gonna get screwed out of a game that works just fine? Its forza, it didn't change, it did improve from fm7 and you clowns are uptight because its not revolutionary or something? It doesn't need to have everything you ever wanted right at launch, things can be added. Would you rather them have added a bunch of shit we didn't want only to have to wait for it to be pulled from the game?
Good thing i have game pass and some money left from my Xbox gift card so I wouldn’t have to waste my parents money on this monkey but game
@@MrSirGiuseppe Okay stevie wonder, then explain why people are suddenly pissed off at the game for being a traih wreck on launch.
What do you mean, pull it? Like, completely scrap it?
We are in the age of broken AAA videogames, so its a bit naive to think this game would work properly. Also, didnt gran turismo 5 use the same kind of level system?
Levelling system was only for unlocking cars to be purchased
The leveling system in gt5 was way better (but not perfect), it just unlocked new cars to buy
Nope GT5 was mostly locking cars, not upgrades, behind levels.
GT5's leveling system was better (but still bad)
Because to upgrade your cars, your only handicap would be your own money if you don't have enough.
However, to progress through the License Tests or BUY CARS you had to be at certain level to do it.
I've never played gt5 myself, but i think it's also comparable to the wait for gt5. It took 5 years (compared to gt4 taking 3) and multiple delays. and when it Came out, it had similar problems like reusing outdated car models, and an annoying progression system, albeit this is far worse than gt5. (Btw ive only played gt4/6/sport/7)
Gaming companies seem to be getting so lazy these days.
"Game of its year" award goes to Forza Motorsport. I guess this is what "modern gaming" is right now.
Sure award for unfinished game
I bet it will win racing game of the year.
and they wonder why people are losing interest
@@DriftNick Racing/Sports game... I hate TGA so much 🤦♂️
The new Forza Motorsport makes me feel like we treated FM5 too harshly.
Nah fm5 was equally as ass on launch
@@figfigYT At least it actually worked.
@@figfigYT At least you can play FM5 offline, I'm tired of all the new racing games being online only now days.
@@ShadowRush2112You can argue FM5 was worse on launch, the frame rate seems good in this game and I haven’t heard of texture streaming stutters. Lol but they do share a lot of the same issues.
@@ScottysHDGamingChannelthe funny thing is you couldn't even do that at launch, since the Xbox one needed to be connected to the internet
The fact that they think this is worth 70 USD as well is wild
reused dogshit ass 3d models, bland ass look, sounds like a unity early access game really
Yeah, I'm not gonna pay $120 AUD on any game (as the BASE GAME price) let alone this lmao
I'm going to wait until I can get the "Premium Edition" for pennies on the dollar, that's how I got ahold of FM7 (hello lootcrates, remember those?).
How did this win best racing game? I don't understand
scams dont usually make sense. your spidey sense is not off.
it's a popularity contest
0:14 how could they remove the Auction House? It’s the one thing that set apart Forza from its competitors
truly the forza motorsport of all time
Gt 2000
the only thing i disagree with is you said the physics are great. they are not. race cars aren't tail happy IRL. race cars also steer without tires SCREAMING. the physics are absolute garbage
“We are rebuilding the game from the ground up” yet they have copied and pasted stuff, and left out other things that the previous games had, like drag strips, drift events, and drift cars/tires. I hope they fix some stuff in future updates like they did with Horizon 5
Wheel support being good is enough for me to have fun
5:39 LMAOOOOOOO this should be illegal....
You know a game is bad when Shiny comes out of his burrow to post about it.
We don't talk about how the cars had sexual intercourse in the menu
2:48 "the AI is far more A than I"
I love how theyve somehow put together a game that , at launch, is in a worse state than FM7 was at launch.
That takes an incredible level of dedication and skill.
FM8 is basically following the steps of other Microsoft franchises where people behind series are replaced by people who not only weren't ever part of the series but never even had experience in the same genre. Dan Greenawalt who was the Director for: Forza Horizon 5 (2021), Forza Street (2019), Forza Horizon 4 (2018), Forza Motorsport 7 (2017), Forza Horizon 3 (2016), Forza Motorsport 6: Apex (2016), Forza Motorsport 6 (2015), Forza Hub (2015), Forza Horizon 2 presents Fast & Furious (2015), Forza Horizon 2 (2014), Forza Motorsport 5 (2013), Forza Horizon (2012). Dan was replaced by the new game director Chris Esaki who is famous for: Jade Empire, Gears of War (1&2), Mass Effect, Lips, Kinect Star Wars. What could have gone wrong?
Sadly this has become an industrywide trend. The old talents vets are out, replaced by out of touch hires.
Whoa, whoa, whoa... Forza Street wasn't an actual Forza title; they just adopted the Forza name in an attempt to give it an ounce of credibility.
@@bigjohnsbreakfastlog5819 Still had the Forza name so had to live up to some potential
Your point is nonsense. Dan Greenawalt was creative director of Turn 10. All of the Horizon games were developed in the UK by Playground Games, who had their own studio head(s). The only input from Turn 10 was some of the underlying technology.
Forza Motorsport 4 was peak in most aspects !
1000%.
GT2, GT4 and FM4 are the racing GOATS.
Bro, what was that Silvia rolling over on 7:33 ? LoL 😂
So basically they looked at how well gran turismo's new progression system went over with the community and decided they want that as well.
GT's progression system is better though lol. Its tied to your personal collector level, not the car itself. Even then the level to have everything unlocked is not even that high. GT's career mode also involves actual race cars as well, not just your own built race cars.
At least polyphony make a decent used out of the variety of cars in the career mode
@@SV-Cantilever Yup, I'd gladly take that over this. At least when you level up you can upgrade everything, not just one car.
5:32 more people should be angry about this. The massive differences between the reveal trailer and the delivered game is frankly UNACCEPTABLE for a Triple-A Microsoft game.
Gt7 May be horribly monetized and all that but god damn will I admit it’s a passion project. The developers sink their souls into every car model and track.
In what way is it horribly monetized? Have you actually played it more recently than literally at launch?
@@Evarakeus I played it nearly daily last three months, I’m just saying the grind is harsh and ridiculous. And the fact that the micro transactions give you so little, I’m stuck grinding 1 hour long endurance races just to get one or two cars.
Gt7 is the most fun thing to race on also online it has the bether grafics and all that caint of things. So What are you guys talking abouth. !? Forza motorsport is full of crap specialy online its almost like wreck fest shame on that. And also why the cars so slippery specialy the gt cars and some racing cars.. on normal mode its ok but when you turn the disable mode on its a big disaster. They must fix that stuff. Asking for friend because he is almost blind but still like these caint of games. So until they fixed i always help him.
5 years spent on the engine, about a week on the actual game
Sonic forces moment
the engine that has worse lighting than free assetto corsa weather mods
A lot of the cars don’t even have gear shift animations when driving manual lol. I was shocked when I first noticed it. There’s countless other basic details they’ve omitted in the game that I don’t even have enough room here to type out. I don’t blame turn 10 though, this is 100% the gamepass effect. Similar to how a Netflix movie won’t have the same production value as a big budget movie made for theatres
Game pass effect for sure. Nobody will buy it, games just becoming "content" to pad out a subscription. Souless and empty.
Blue Side of the Force consumes me
6:20 ahh the ol Gran Turismo approach😂
The fact this game reviewed so well just proves that reviewers have no business covering racing games
Remember like Todd said "Upgrade your PC"
Forza Motorsport without any real Motorsport? Well, that has to be an achievement in its own. 😂
I've long thought that the people responsible for this game aren't motorsport fans, or don't much watch much real life racing. They don't understand what motorsport is, or what motorsport fans really want. Why a game that has "motorsport" in the title would put so much emphasis on pretty unexciting road cars in the career mode honestly baffles me. A motorsport game should be about letting people to drive the sort of classics, exotics and racing cars that you'd never get chance to in real life, not grinding boring slow shitboxes.
The absolute state of gaming 💀
So people complained about Forza having no meaningful progression and they tried to fix it with grind. Brilliant. Now whoever was on a fence will just skip this game entirely.
Forza is made by devs who hate cars and anything car culture related. They started choking EV down our throats in FH5 allowing the AI to drive them with little physics restrictions.
Wouldn't surprise me knowing the kind of people who work as game devs these days.
Honestly, the electric cars are some of the most fun cars to drive in Horizon 5. Driving around dirt roads in the e-pace to classical music is an absolute zen experience and the Rimac Nevera is the closest thing to driving a jet fighter in that game, so I welcome their addition.
Wait. This game is online only even in single player? Always. Online. SINGLE. *PLAYER!*
Welcome to live services, some people actually defend this.
Way back in the FM3 and FM4 days, I was so looking forward to the day that Forza Motorsport would be able to properly rival and beat Gran Turismo. As each non Horizon title came, an went, Turn 10 seemed to fall off more and more with being a true racer as it had felt before. Now FM is just a shadow of its former self as the Horizon titles take more and more precedence over the game that put Turn 10 on the map to begin with.
to hell with horizon. couldnt even keep me engaged with the 5th game for 2 hours
During FM1 to FM4 I see they are really making the franchise to be the GT’s competitor
But Forza Motorsport these days they are more like the bootleg GT for Xbox and PC than GT competitor
FH4 was the peak of horizon series
7:52 This GAEM is an utter TRAIN WRECK
This gaem indeed 😭😭😭
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"Artificial incompetence". Killed me with that line.:)))
How many times do we have to get screwed over before people start to realize their pre-ordering behavior is the biggest reason this happens?
We say it every time a new big title drops… STOP PRE ORDERING GAMES. If you pre-ordered FM “8”, it’s your fault… Whether you accept it, or not.
The same was for the AI in FH5, if you did not catch up to the first 3 cars in from at the start of the race/or the first quarter then they get such a huge lead you will not be able to catch them
It's the same unrealistic and dumb AI as FH5, they also slow down when you are in first place, so there is no more challenge once in first place.
Or you just suck I play with a sim wheel never had this problem I constantly have to raise the difficulty because it's too easy maybe just get better....
@@justinkostick9048 if you had to ramp up the difficulty then that means you were playing at easier settings. CONGRATULATIONS YOU JUST PLAIED YOURSELF!
Maybe go to pro or veteran then we will talk. And you telling me to get good? I was talking from experience since I play at pro with keyboard so F off
The first 3 cars always have a good lead after the first quarter of the race from the rest of the pack
@@justinkostick9048people like you are just lovely
@@justinkostick9048 maybe some people have lives to live and spend their money on better things then sim rigs
I tried it, and it made me boot GT5 on the PS3 emulator, unironically still much better than this trainwreck
That's the reason it's called Forza Motorsport instead of Forza Motorsport 8....now everything is just reset to zero. 😂
Who wouldve imagined a new triple a game comes out completely unfinished and the publisher still expects people to be happy with it
To be fair it seems to be more of a Microsoft problem lately.
Modern gaming moment
@@navox4658 old games were like this too shut up.
@@steel5897 Hardly, seems like all the big publishers have been doing that.
And it somehow won the best sports/ racing game of the year
Lately I've broken out the ole Xbox 360 and started playing Motorsport 4 again. Crazy how the AI behaves IDENTICALLY to how its described in this video. They've had almost a decade and a half to improve, and they've only made it worse...
The gaming industry has been such a disappointment over the past decade.
@@jjay350I think they’ve hit a wall on how much they can innovate.
@@cameronb3834nah its just corporate fuckheads ruining everything
@@cameronb3834they haven't, it's more so an attitude problem in the entertainment industries of Western countries. Shit quality, high prices all around.
@@deadspoonxxx hmmm i feel like they have they just don’t know where to improve on games like COD and Halo where they have if it ain’t broke don’t fix it mentality. All they can really do is try to improve on graphics mostly if they try to improve anything at all. Even the latest COD open beta for MW3 is nearly identical to MW2 graphically.
Where have you been Shinyodd man, we've been missing you ❤
He streams regularly on his second channel.
He's not gone anywhere.
5:47 "Under certain conditions, the game can indeed look stunning."
The clip being shown : *blinds the audience*
Forza Motorsport has gone from a venerable Gran Turismo rival to an absolute dumpster fire in just a few years... how the turntables!
The previous Forza is better than GT, GT is nice, but until they add damage modeling, Sony can sit on it.
Great video, you hit almost every issue I have had so far. One problem I have on the Series S is that changing the FOV doesn’t actually change the FOV at all so I can’t really use the interior camera.
make sure you have "use custom FOV" enabled, dunno why this is a separate option, but your custom FOV settings won't do anything until this is checked
@@Shinyodd1000IQ menu option
We simply aren't allowed to have a good racing sim / simcade title with a decent career mode. Whenever it's attempted, someone travels back in time and sabotages the project.
Driveclub came close shame they killed the dev studio Driveclub 2 woulda been lit
Your average Microsoft product.
No quality tests.
This is Microsoft games in a nutshell. Looks good at first glance, you buy it and discovers it's not what you expected. Always.
Not only Microsoft
Same for nintendo and Pokémon games 😢
Xbox fans when game is bad blame Sony when a game is good praise Phil Spencer
No literally most Microsoft games have been kinda terrible, they look graphically good but have pretty terrible optimization and overall seem unfinished
@@Chris-jc9nw When was the last time, a Nintendo game disappointed/couldn't keep promises?
And the Scarlet and Violet trailers looked horrible and unfinished prior to the release.
Sooooooo
They said this is the gt7 killer?😂
I wonder if the AI is the same in FM6, where if you use rewind enough they just slam on their brakes or into a wall 😂