When it comes to small block Ford is there a lot of bad videos out there that try to show how to adjust valve lash. I'm glad someone actually showed how to turn a motor over correctly.
Cool video I'm 65 years old and I rebuilt my first engine when I was 12 years old I have been around cars literally all my life watching my dad and my uncle's working on their drag cars every Saturday night they were going over the cars getting them ready for racing on Sunday I was to short to see over the finder of the 55 and 57 Chevys that they had so they built a platform for me to sit on so I could watch them doing the work this way in the mid 60's and good ol'boys building their engines and things were a lot different then you always turned your engine over and got the rockers to just losing there slop as it was called then around here then start the engine and tighten the rockers just enough to take the tap out of it ran it till it was at operating temperature and then adjust each one by backing off the nut till it just started tapping and tighten till it stoped and then tighten the nut up around a half to 3 quarter of a turn and of course us a filler gauge to set them I've heard of and seen different ways of setting them but I really like the way you showed how to do it I'm getting ready to pull the heads off of my 65 Comet with a 302 with 351w heads with roller rockers I'll definitely use your method of adjusting the valves when I put it back together thank you for sharing this with us I'll be looking for more of your videos
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I just finished installing a 351w roller rocker in my 1970 Grande....Holy moley was it expensive....But you will never look back..I am so loving it!! FAF!!! lol
I have a 351w with 1.6F rollers. Starting to make a loud tick. When I pulled valve covers some push rods I can spin with my fingers. Not much play up and down but they do spin in place. Is that normal or should I readjust them?
Did u need different pistons with a different valve relief for the twisted wedge heads? Im building a 306 with a twisted wedge head and try and copy or have a similar build
Just curious, what is the purpose of having the intake coming down before adjusting the exhaust? I thought once one side starts to open the other side was ready for adjustment. Thanks.
If you have a stud girdle and it's balanced, 500hp should be fairly safe, but there's always a chance the block is weaker. 347s are harder on the harmonics compared to 331s.
(Edit for correction) Good point! On these heads, the holes don't go all the way through into the ports, and they don't go through into the coolant passages or anything, so we didn't have to use thread sealant. It definitely depends on which heads you have. If the threaded hole for the stud goes all the way through into the ports, then you need to use thread sealant (white permatex high temp). Otherwise, you don't need to.
Hi, great video. Have you ever used 11R heads with a comp cams roller cam? Did you change the springs or did you use the preinstalled 11r springs? Regards! Madison
I just rebuilt a 302 in my 66 stang, I have comp cam roller rockers 1.6 on it, can they be adjusted by TDC each cylinder in firing order or do they have to adjusted like you did here, or can they be adjusted while running, they CANNOT be preloaded due to I loose all compression, dunno why, I can only 0 lash them out, but I seem to be having issues with 1 of them chattering, may be a bad lifter but everything is brand new, I've been dicking with these ever since I rebuilt it, went by the book, everything is brand new except block. A helpful response would be greatly appreciated. TY
They can be adjusted in whatever order you want. There's some overlap, so doing it in firing order might make you have to rotate the assembly more times than just going in line.
@@SavageProductionsCars ok, I do understand that part, but every time I try the preload technique, get them all adjusted there is NO compression until I take the preload off then the car starts right up.
@@jeffgerou3247 you might be adjusting the intake valve when you should be adjusting the exhaust valve and vice versa, or you might be adjusting them on the wrong part of the stroke.
Look for the "5.0 Back To Life" playlist on my channel! And if you are considering these heads, give us a call and we can set you up! Contact info is in the description.
I have a 89 302 (fox) and I just put the 11R 190’s on. It have the same rockers as this build and a trickflow stage 1 cam. Any idea what length pushrod I need??
The best thing to do is buy an adjustable pushrod measuring tool. Unfortunately, there's no magic formula we're aware of for that. If you call TrickFlow, they may be able to get you started in the right direction. I believe my 331 came out to be 7" exactly, but the block was also decked a bit and I had a different cam.
Is there a.standard push rod length used on a non decked 302 with twisted wedge heads? Do you check the length with pretty pumped lifters or? First time doing a cam.swap for me by myself
Jody Trickflow recommends their 6.7” pushrods in the regular twisted wedge 170 heads. These 11r 190 heads have a revised valve angle so you need their 7.050” pushrods.
I currently building my first engine ever. This was an amazing video by the way! I have the same rockers. I'm building a 331 with gt40p heads and a comp xe274hr cam. What is the easiest way to measure proper pushrod length?
You can buy an adjustable pushrod to measure the correct length. There's instructions all over the internet for knowing how the length is correct. Also, you can pretty much tell just by looking at it. That might be a video we decide to do at some point!
I’m thinking of buying the 190cc 11r heads, I’m debating on running a .325 intake and .338 exhaust cam lift with 1.7 rockers for a total of .550 intake and .575 exhaust to maximize the flow of those heads. The target rpm is 2700-6300 but I want redline to be 6700, will the valves and springs that come with those heads work with that or should I order them bare? That’s also given if my pistons will clear that kind of lift lol, if not then I’ve got a back up with a .500 I and .525 E valve lift that’s a bit more conservative
@@SavageProductionsCars its a 302, I was originally planning on 170cc heads but was recommended 190cc. So would you recommend the 170? And yes, they are stock pistons
@@DylanC828 there's a bit more information we'd need to make sure you make the right purchase. If you want, give us a call (phone number in the description), and you can order the parts directly from us. We're a TrickFlow dealer.
Wow I can't believe Savage said you need twisted head pistons and the 190s are too big for a 302. First the TW heads have 11degree valves and that means tons of clearance between valves and pistons. Even an 86 shortblock with flat top pistons will have a lot of clearance. Second, the 190s are not too big for a 302, as all you need to ensure if that all the rest of the components match the induction and exhaust. Intake, cam and exhaust are imperative. I've seen 376rwhp and 400rwtq with a stock short block 302 with the right peripherals with the brain being the cam.
What can a guy do when the guide plates allow to much side to side movement of the rocker itself... I have a couple that are running on the edge of the valve stem based off the wear on the rollers... But the opposing rocker on the same guide runs perfectly straight.. only have 500kms on the build and it was built at a reputable company
@83glxcrusin97 without split guide plates, you just have to adjust them where you get the least contact on both sides. The tolerances are pretty good, but not great, so you should only get some minor rubbing, which will be fine over time. Maybe change your oil a could more times than you usually would after break in. We had the same issue a few times, but it all turned out okay.
Trick flow needs to make guide plates that allen bolt into backside of pedastal that are set up already because geometry sucks on these i got a set of 11rs. Side loaded a rocker arm took out trunion and siezed oil pump on 351w then snapped a msd distributor in half
After seeing this I'm wondering if I can turn my 351c 2V engine into a roller rocker-cammed-out-beast. LOL Actually I could use more than 300 hp. My engine is a 2v fresh stock build. I want to add roller rockers, new cam, new heads and hopefully these parts will work with my Edlebrock 351 Performer LB Intake and 650 4V Edelbrock part #2750 Performer 351-2V intake manifold designed for street 351C and accepts 4V carb. They are new parts. What trick flow heads and cam size will I need to increase hp from 300 to hp to 350-380? Thank you. Great info video and look forward to some advice.
If you wanted to call us/message us and figure out the right setup for you, you can actually purchase the parts from us (as a thank you for our advise) at or below retail price, and we can drop ship them to you. All our contact info is in the video description.
The rocker studs should only be torqued to 45 lbs on an aluminum head application. 55 lbs (as stated in this video) is for an iron head application just fyi
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Feel free to do it your way. This is one of the right ways. I'm not sure why you're watching a tutorial video when you clearly know what you're talking about. 🤔
When it comes to small block Ford is there a lot of bad videos out there that try to show how to adjust valve lash. I'm glad someone actually showed how to turn a motor over correctly.
That was the easiest rocker install I have seen...so many methods - I am sure all work but you made it really easy ...THANK You
Great video. Almost gives me the confidence in doing this kit my self ... almost ....
Thanks for this video. I've watched others to do the same thing and they made it seem like rocket science. U guys made it seem easy. Thanks again.
Glad we can help!
Best video yet on roller rockers with poly locks. Currently gathering parts for a junkyard 97 5.8l roller build for my 70 Torino.
Thank you!
Thanks for doing this just what I needed to help me get my engine right.
Very informative. Enjoyed watching and I learned some important things about assembly.
Great video! Doing this today. Thanks for posting!
Nice video, thank you. I’m working on doing head gaskets on a 302 swapped Miata and this helps a lot
Cool video I'm 65 years old and I rebuilt my first engine when I was 12 years old I have been around cars literally all my life watching my dad and my uncle's working on their drag cars every Saturday night they were going over the cars getting them ready for racing on Sunday I was to short to see over the finder of the 55 and 57 Chevys that they had so they built a platform for me to sit on so I could watch them doing the work this way in the mid 60's and good ol'boys building their engines and things were a lot different then you always turned your engine over and got the rockers to just losing there slop as it was called then around here then start the engine and tighten the rockers just enough to take the tap out of it ran it till it was at operating temperature and then adjust each one by backing off the nut till it just started tapping and tighten till it stoped and then tighten the nut up around a half to 3 quarter of a turn and of course us a filler gauge to set them I've heard of and seen different ways of setting them but I really like the way you showed how to do it I'm getting ready to pull the heads off of my 65 Comet with a 302 with 351w heads with roller rockers I'll definitely use your method of adjusting the valves when I put it back together thank you for sharing this with us I'll be looking for more of your videos
THANK YOU SOOOOOO MUCH FOR YOUR VIDEOS 🙏🍀 THERE ARE OTHER GOOD VIDEOS OUT HERE BUT THIS IS THE EASIEST TO UNDERSTAND I HAVE EVER SEEN. I'VE WATCHED MOST THEM OUT HERE TOO🤣💪😎👍
Man great video! I’m in the process of converting my 1972 Mustang over to a roller motor and this helped a lot!
Glad we could help!
I just finished installing a 351w roller rocker in my 1970 Grande....Holy moley was it expensive....But you will never look back..I am so loving it!! FAF!!! lol
great vid really liking the how to videos!
You guys did an excellent review of this build-up
Thanks!
Do I use the same size push rod that was in my old head?
What is the lowest clearance valve cover you can put on those heads
Terrific educational video thanks
Great video thanks heaps guys good work
I have a 351w with 1.6F rollers. Starting to make a loud tick. When I pulled valve covers some push rods I can spin with my fingers. Not much play up and down but they do spin in place. Is that normal or should I readjust them?
man I wish I could get your dad's help...I have a true mystery with my setup no one can figure it out...I'd love to get some I put
Do you not have to check the roller to valve stem alignment and shim the rocker?
No just eyebal em.
What’s the part number on the push rods?
Ciao,
What camshaft did you use with this cylinder head kit?
He tells you in the video
Can trickflow 11r 205 heads fit with the factory pistons on a roller 351w? No valve reliefs
No, you'll need pistons with valve reliefs for that size
Did u need different pistons with a different valve relief for the twisted wedge heads? Im building a 306 with a twisted wedge head and try and copy or have a similar build
Not with these 170cc heads
Was there a Trickflow cam in that engine? Can you adjust this way with any brand/cut cam?
It would be the same for all cams unless the specify a different preload
Just curious, what is the purpose of having the intake coming down before adjusting the exhaust? I thought once one side starts to open the other side was ready for adjustment. Thanks.
That's just the proper timing of when to adjust each rocker.
@@SavageProductionsCars Thanks!
Do you think a stoke 5.0 valve cover will clear the polylocks?
Stock fox body valve covers do fit if you use the blue felpro rubber & metal gaskets
@@SavageProductionsCars thanks guys
I'll watch your vid again to get the part number.
You can order from us! We drop ship.
Mine is a sn95, stamped steel covers
great video...thanks
What are your thoughts on block splitting on an internally balanced 347? Can you go over 500hp with some boost and be fine. Thank you
If you have a stud girdle and it's balanced, 500hp should be fairly safe, but there's always a chance the block is weaker. 347s are harder on the harmonics compared to 331s.
Trick Flow says you need thread sealant on the rocker studs per instructions..... Any reason you didn't do that?
(Edit for correction)
Good point! On these heads, the holes don't go all the way through into the ports, and they don't go through into the coolant passages or anything, so we didn't have to use thread sealant.
It definitely depends on which heads you have. If the threaded hole for the stud goes all the way through into the ports, then you need to use thread sealant (white permatex high temp). Otherwise, you don't need to.
Hi, great video. Have you ever used 11R heads with a comp cams roller cam? Did you change the springs or did you use the preinstalled 11r springs? Regards! Madison
Love the video was wondering what size push rods you used
I believe it's this part number: TFS-21407050
So should be 7.05"
Savage Productions thanx a lot
I just rebuilt a 302 in my 66 stang, I have comp cam roller rockers 1.6 on it, can they be adjusted by TDC each cylinder in firing order or do they have to adjusted like you did here, or can they be adjusted while running, they CANNOT be preloaded due to I loose all compression, dunno why, I can only 0 lash them out, but I seem to be having issues with 1 of them chattering, may be a bad lifter but everything is brand new, I've been dicking with these ever since I rebuilt it, went by the book, everything is brand new except block. A helpful response would be greatly appreciated. TY
They can be adjusted in whatever order you want. There's some overlap, so doing it in firing order might make you have to rotate the assembly more times than just going in line.
@@SavageProductionsCars TY on that, can they be done while running?
@@jeffgerou3247 no, the preload must be set when the valves are at specific locations.
@@SavageProductionsCars ok, I do understand that part, but every time I try the preload technique, get them all adjusted there is NO compression until I take the preload off then the car starts right up.
@@jeffgerou3247 you might be adjusting the intake valve when you should be adjusting the exhaust valve and vice versa, or you might be adjusting them on the wrong part of the stroke.
When's the next update on this engine build? Did I over look it when I searched for it? I'm really considering on buying these heads.
Look for the "5.0 Back To Life" playlist on my channel! And if you are considering these heads, give us a call and we can set you up! Contact info is in the description.
I have a 89 302 (fox) and I just put the 11R 190’s on. It have the same rockers as this build and a trickflow stage 1 cam. Any idea what length pushrod I need??
The best thing to do is buy an adjustable pushrod measuring tool. Unfortunately, there's no magic formula we're aware of for that. If you call TrickFlow, they may be able to get you started in the right direction. I believe my 331 came out to be 7" exactly, but the block was also decked a bit and I had a different cam.
Ok I got an adjustable rod from comp cams. 6.8-7.5 tool. Looks like 6.8 is a tight fit! Block is stock. Does that sound right??
@@miker351w I wouldn't really know. As long as your lash is correct, you should be good.
Savage Productions Thanks, last question about your pushrods is what width did you go with?
@@miker351w whatever the hardened thicker walled ones were. I don't remember, sorry.
Is there a.standard push rod length used on a non decked 302 with twisted wedge heads? Do you check the length with pretty pumped lifters or? First time doing a cam.swap for me by myself
Which TrickFlow heads?
Jody Trickflow recommends their 6.7” pushrods in the regular twisted wedge 170 heads. These 11r 190 heads have a revised valve angle so you need their 7.050” pushrods.
@@CentralVAracer these are the 170s
Trick flow 170's.
When measuring for push rods on a 302, do you use a new unpumped lifter or a solid?
Either use a solid or a hydraulic that's pumped up fully
@@SavageProductionsCars Thank you! So..then add .030 to the length? So If I came up with 6.750..add .030.. which would be 6.780.. so 6.800 length?
@@19jody72 what did you use?
@@SavageProductionsCars I used my old stock roller lifters. Im 100 percent sure they did not compress any.
@@19jody72 then you wouldn't add anything if it's solid/fully pumped up
I currently building my first engine ever. This was an amazing video by the way! I have the same rockers. I'm building a 331 with gt40p heads and a comp xe274hr cam. What is the easiest way to measure proper pushrod length?
You can buy an adjustable pushrod to measure the correct length. There's instructions all over the internet for knowing how the length is correct. Also, you can pretty much tell just by looking at it. That might be a video we decide to do at some point!
With is the intake valve
The exhaust valve is the one above the exhaust port that your exhaust header tube is inline with. Intake, of course, would be the opposite one.
What’s the guide plate part number
Should be TFS-51400624 for 3/8 in.
Thank you
I’m thinking of buying the 190cc 11r heads, I’m debating on running a .325 intake and .338 exhaust cam lift with 1.7 rockers for a total of .550 intake and .575 exhaust to maximize the flow of those heads. The target rpm is 2700-6300 but I want redline to be 6700, will the valves and springs that come with those heads work with that or should I order them bare? That’s also given if my pistons will clear that kind of lift lol, if not then I’ve got a back up with a .500 I and .525 E valve lift that’s a bit more conservative
Do you have stock pistons? With the 190s, you'll need twisted wedge style pistons.
And is it a 302 or a stroker? The 11R 190s are too big for a 302 unless you have compression and running 7000+ RPM.
@@SavageProductionsCars its a 302, I was originally planning on 170cc heads but was recommended 190cc. So would you recommend the 170? And yes, they are stock pistons
@@DylanC828 there's a bit more information we'd need to make sure you make the right purchase. If you want, give us a call (phone number in the description), and you can order the parts directly from us. We're a TrickFlow dealer.
Wow I can't believe Savage said you need twisted head pistons and the 190s are too big for a 302. First the TW heads have 11degree valves and that means tons of clearance between valves and pistons. Even an 86 shortblock with flat top pistons will have a lot of clearance. Second, the 190s are not too big for a 302, as all you need to ensure if that all the rest of the components match the induction and exhaust. Intake, cam and exhaust are imperative. I've seen 376rwhp and 400rwtq with a stock short block 302 with the right peripherals with the brain being the cam.
What's the torque you used on the poly locks?
Whatever the instructions called for. I believe 18-21 foot pounds, but don't quote me on that.
@@SavageProductionsCars thank you!
What are the pushrods he used
Just the ones TrickFlow recommends for these heads
What can a guy do when the guide plates allow to much side to side movement of the rocker itself... I have a couple that are running on the edge of the valve stem based off the wear on the rollers... But the opposing rocker on the same guide runs perfectly straight.. only have 500kms on the build and it was built at a reputable company
@83glxcrusin97 without split guide plates, you just have to adjust them where you get the least contact on both sides. The tolerances are pretty good, but not great, so you should only get some minor rubbing, which will be fine over time. Maybe change your oil a could more times than you usually would after break in. We had the same issue a few times, but it all turned out okay.
@@SavageProductionsCars Awesome thanks 👍
.005 from guides to pushrods btw at TDC
Trick flow needs to make guide plates that allen bolt into backside of pedastal that are set up already because geometry sucks on these i got a set of 11rs. Side loaded a rocker arm took out trunion and siezed oil pump on 351w then snapped a msd distributor in half
After seeing this I'm wondering if I can turn my 351c 2V engine into a roller rocker-cammed-out-beast. LOL Actually I could use more than 300 hp. My engine is a 2v fresh stock build. I want to add roller rockers, new cam, new heads and hopefully these parts will work with my Edlebrock 351 Performer LB Intake and 650 4V Edelbrock part #2750 Performer 351-2V intake manifold designed for street 351C and accepts 4V carb. They are new parts.
What trick flow heads and cam size will I need to increase hp from 300 to hp to 350-380? Thank you. Great info video and look forward to some advice.
If you wanted to call us/message us and figure out the right setup for you, you can actually purchase the parts from us (as a thank you for our advise) at or below retail price, and we can drop ship them to you. All our contact info is in the video description.
The rocker studs should only be torqued to 45 lbs on an aluminum head application. 55 lbs (as stated in this video) is for an iron head application just fyi
Hydraulic lifters???
yes...roller rocker/hydraulic.....
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Insert? Ya mean set screw
Nevermind
Soaked the lifters overnight?!?!? Edit that part out man people gonna think yall don't know what u doing
going to invent a 3 dimensional adjustable rocker arm for all of you that buy cheap Chinese heads so you can actually set rockers 90 degrees@ mid lift
There is a much easier way to adjust the rockers.
Feel free to do it your way. This is one of the right ways. I'm not sure why you're watching a tutorial video when you clearly know what you're talking about. 🤔